How the Islamic Political System ensures Good Governance?

[mothyspace]

Thanks for the responses guys.  I think I'm going to use the The 7 conditions  (Warning signs) in an essay Thanks for that!

Cheers,

mothyspace

[avshae]

Yes, I'm growing tired of it too. I respect other peoples opinions that dffer from my own, but she (?) obviously writes with not even basic accountability to reality. Perhaps the best course of action is to just let her type away, blow off steam. Relate only if she makes some actual grown-up assertions. That way perhaps she might learn about accountability.

Great... a Zionist circle jerk

I'm sorry to ruin your reading experience, but every other sentence "libertylover" writes is a gross immediately detectable outrageous falsity. Such statements are counter-productive even for Palestinian supporters. "The alleged rocket attacks" is just too much.

[The Muslim Agorist]

every other sentence "libertylover" writes

Yeah, name one

is a gross immediately detectable outrageous falsity.

Sounds more like you... projecting much?

Such statements are counter-productive even for Palestinian supporters.

Than don't you support it?

"The alleged rocket attacks" is just too much.

And it was the least important turn of phrase in the automatic fire of salient points. "Alleged" can never be false, unless in fact you claim someone has alleged and they have not. Everything is "alleged" until one sees evidence, and even after one sees evidence it is still "alleged." You're just avoiding addressed the other points.

Truth is non simultaneously apprehended.

[libertylover]

Israel has just been caught in so many false flag operations that it is believable that some of the rocket attacks have been fabricated to increase the perceived threat level.  Because why would a hopelessly out armed group bother to fire a rocket with no ability to harm?  It is just much more logical to think empty rocket shaped tube's with zero damage is only beneficial as a propaganda prop.  And just because Israel has only been caught in a handful of false flag plots doesn't mean there aren't more going on in which they were never caught.

The most notable of these was the USS Liberty attack which turned out to be an Israeli false flag  attempting to blame Palestinians.  Then there is a book written by a former Mossad leader that Israel attempted to keep from publication. 

"On Sept. 12, 1990, the New York State Supreme Court issued a restraining order at the request of the Israeli government to prevent publication of Ostrovsky's book, By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer.  The New York State Appeals Court lifted the ban the next day."

This review helped to answer some of the critics of Ostrovsky's book: By    Jonathan Schaper (London, Ontario Canada)

One thing you should know about this book is that in the sequel, The Other Side of Deception, Ostrovsky admits that some of the info in By Way of Deception was deliberately inaccurate and meant to serve as a message to the Mossad that they want to leave him alone or he will reveal the real info. The Other Side of Deception also reveals his true reasons for writing an expose, not so much idealism as it was self-preservation (if he weren't Machiavellian, do you think they would have made him a case worker?).

To address another reviewer's doubts: he was given protection by the Canadian government. And he acted quickly to make sure he had a lot of publicity so any sudden death would be carefully investigated with the Mossad being the obvious suspect.

Naeim Giladi: 
http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/ameu_iraqjews.html

Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews, Giladi discusses the crimes committed by Zionists in their frenzy to import raw Jewish labor. Newly-vacated farmlands had to be plowed to provide food for the immigrants and the military ranks had to be filled with conscripts to defend the stolen lands. Mr. Giladi couldn't get his book published in Israel, and even in the U.S. he discovered he could do so only if he used his own money.

The Giladis, now U.S. citizens, live in New York City. By choice, they no longer hold Israeli citizenship. "I am Iraqi," he told us, "born in Iraq, my culture still Iraqi Arabic, my religion Jewish, my citizenship American."

Another worthwhile read which makes some interesting points.  Even if I don't agree with the objective of a unified state solution which the website advocates. 
http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirImages/Shamir/FalseFlag.htm
Zionist Provocation under False Flag
By George Pumphrey

[avshae]

Israel has just been caught in so many false flag operations [...]

False.

[...] that it is believable that some of the rocket attacks have been fabricated to increase the perceived threat level. 

Ludicrous, and of course false.

Because why would a hopelessly out armed group bother to fire a rocket [..]

Because they are Arab terrorists.

[Hamas rockets have] no ability to harm

False.

the USS Liberty attack which turned out to be an Israeli false flag  attempting to blame Palestinians.

False.

[libertylover]

Israel has just been caught in so many false flag operations [...]

False.

Again you are wrong and the evidence is listed in the reference materials of the articles I have linked.

[...] that it is believable that some of the rocket attacks have been fabricated to increase the perceived threat level. 

Ludicrous, and of course false.

There are photos of many of these supposed rockets which look more like the rocket projects from some 6th grade science fair and not a deadly weapon.  Many with no signs of any shrapnel which would kind of be the point if they were actually weapons.

Because why would a hopelessly out armed group bother to fire a rocket [..]

Because they are Arab terrorists.

Notice your selective edits never attempt to address the linked evidence provided.

[Hamas rockets have] no ability to harm

False.

Again another selective edit with the intention of misleading the reader as to my entire argument.  I said that some, again that is some, of the rockets being presented as evidence against Hamas seem to be harmless props for propaganda purposes.  By using that qualifier I am also at the same time acknowledging that there have been real rockets.  And many of those attacks follow a logical lead up of events.  It is when there is no logical lead up and questionable construction that the rockets being presented become suspect.  Especially when they are benefiting the objective of Zionist in maintaining hostilities.

the USS Liberty attack which turned out to be an Israeli false flag  attempting to blame Palestinians.

False.

Sorry, here again you are wrong and evidence surfaced in 2003.  Evidence which implicated Israel in conjunction with the LBJ White House in plotting to destroy the USS Liberty and place the blame on Egypt the Palestinian ally as well as the USSR.  LBJ has already been implicated in The Gulf of Tonkin Inciden to drag America into Vietnam.  So it is very believable that his white house would have done something similar in the Middle East.  The problem is the Liberty did not sink so they were left to do a massive cover up.  LBJ, Israel & the USS Liberty Massacre 

According to Hounam’s research, the White House knew within minutes of the Liberty attack, that the perpetrator was really Israel (p. 94). On two separate occasions, the White House recalled aircraft rescue missions for the Liberty. On the last attempt, LBJ told Rear-Admiral Lawrence Geis of the Sixth Fleet, “I WILL NOT EMBARRASS OUR ALLY.” The Liberty was then left “dead in the water,” without any assistance for over 16 hours. (See also, an excellent documentary of the same title by the BBC and affidavits and statements found at USSLiberty.org.)

At pp. 267-268, Hounam said, “Sinking the Liberty and blaming Egypt and the Soviets would have freed Johnson’s hand to do almost anything - even to drop an atomic bomb on Cairo. Trouble only arose when the Israel operation failed - and the damned ship stayed afloat.”

Hounam revealed that within LBJ’s hawkish administration, there was shadowy clique that met under the rubric of the “303 Committee.” Richard Helms, the late CIA Director, said that entity was, “A device for examining covert operations of any kind and making a judgment on behalf of the President, so he wouldn’t be nailed with the thing, if it failed.”

Out of the “303 Committee,” came a project labeled, “Frontlet 615,” which was furthered defined as, “A secret political agreement in 1966 by which Israel and the U.S. had vowed to destroy (Egypt’s Gamal Abdel) Nasser.” The military name for the operation was, “Operation Cyanide.” The U.S. also had a draconian plan, entitled, “Condition November,” a strategy for a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the Soviet Union. All of the above ended up being interwoven into the tragic saga of the Liberty.

The point is Israel is not unique in pushing forward their own agenda through the use of false flag operations.  The Israeli agenda is clearly to push the people off the Gaza Strip and out of the West Bank to expand the state of Israel.   The evidence of this is overwhelming.  Everything from the illegal settlements in the occupied territories, the illegal forced evictions of Palestinians from their homes in East Jerusalem, to the illegal blockade which is continuing economic war.  There just happen to be several cases where Israel blundered and got caught in false flag operations .

What is not clear is why the American leadership in complete disregard for American national interest continue to entangle the United States with Israel.  Israel is not important to the United States security.  To be blunt Israel could fold tomorrow and it wouldn't make any difference in the US, so could Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Turkey plus some 130 other nations around the globe. 

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Sorry but linking stories to holocaustdenial dot com about Israel is not legitimate.

[libertylover]

Sorry but linking stories to holocaustdenial dot com about Israel is not legitimate.

WTF  so the BBC, the British Broadcasting Company is a holocaustdenial website?  The documentary "Dead in the Water" is available on Google videos for anyone who wants to view it.  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311#  Are the Jewish authors of the books and articles also holocaust deniers.  And are you going to say that the Goldstone report is also from a holocaust denier?  It seems every time anyone is critical of Israel or their obvious illegal policies are always accused of Antisemitism.  Or they are accused of being holocaust deniers and the issues they raise are not addressed.  Carter wasn't attacked until he wrote his objective book about the situation in Israel.   I suppose the UK Guardian is just another one of those holocaust denial sites because they published, "Apartheid in the Holy Land," by Desmond Tutu.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/comment  No other country on the planet plays the victim card in the face of overwhelming evidence of wrong doing as well as Israel. 

And predictable the next strategy will be to point to other countries who are oppressing people and have horrible human rights violations.  The problem with that sort of deflection isn't a lack of truth about other countries.  Cause there are horribly oppressive places all over the world guilty of crimes against humanity.  But that the situations are different in that the USA taxpayer isn't subsidizing the activity of those countries.  And even in the cases in which US foreign aid is present it is in no way as great as the insane amounts sent to Israel.   Just because other countries are guilty and some with far worse crimes against humanity doesn't mean that Israel is innocent or justified. 

The USA should stop sending Israel aid.  Israel has the 4th largest army on the planet and the largest army on the planet per capita.  Companies selling military weapons should sell at the going rate never subsidized by American taxpayers.  If socialism is such a fantastic form of government it should not need our foreign or military aid.   If Israel was cut off financially from US aid I would not consider Israel a huge liability.  Then I would view Israel's activities in the same way as I view India and Pakistan or USSR and Chechnya or Venezuela and Colombia.  It would be sad, deplorable but I wouldn't be an unwilling accomplice with the security of my nation in jeopardy physically and economically.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

lol.

This thread is about Islamic Political systems like what we find in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Syria.  And all you are talking about are Jews. 

You are an anti-Jewish whore as evidenced by your obsession with showing how evil Jewish people are in every post.  Even ones that are specifically NOT about Jewish people at all.  The fact that you use a screen name "libertylover" that is completely antithetical to your continued support for authoritarian religious theocracies is highly ironic.