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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2012, 06:46:32 PM »

I'm not suggesting that separatism is the answer... unless it's a separation of the elite from the dimwits, in which case I shall be pleased to rearrange a few things here in the chateau to make room for fellow elites to join me.

Open borders with far less or zero restrictions on travel would be beneficial to all those, myself included, who like to experience other cultures. Would be great, and it may even be possible in the future. At the moment it isn't even a realistic option to explore in any meaningful way - borders aren't going anywhere.

Many cultures have failed, undoubtedly some met their demise as a result of being too friendly.

This is as good a place as any to discuss this I reckon, and you're in Norway so you're the ideal guy to ask..

First though- can you get into any trouble being open with your opinions about this topic in Norway? Free speech issues, etc?

Straight to it:

I've decided I am in support of those individuals who burned the Christian churches in Norway. While I do think it is regrettable that those buildings were beautiful and ancient, and I would have rather seen the buildings relocated and preserved for their historical value, after reading about the intent behind the burnings I think the reasons for doing so are valid.

The primary reason was that Christianity was not native to Norway, instead it was forced upon the people and then, of course, used as a means of control and to erase the Pagan religion and culture that predated it. The goal of those who burned the churches was to reset the balance and take a step back to their true identity. As far as I know no one was injured or killed during the burnings, though some of the guys who did it fought and died amongst themselves - if I'm remembering it all correctly, it's been awhile.

So, I think the guys who did it were right in their intentions, to attempt a return to their core culture, but wrong in taking such drastic actions. What do you and/or the locals think about those guys and their actions? And how invasive is the Islamic influence in Norway?
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2012, 12:57:22 PM »

Free speech is better here then in the U.S.. But no one will actually do anything. The border between Norway and  Sweden is barely noticeable, customs might call you in but it is doubtful. Norwegians are very difficult for a libertarian to understand. They know they are being fucked over but they think it is just skippy, and they think it is strange when someone gets upset about even the most evil statist shit you can imagine. Taxes is so absurd you wouldn't believe me if I told you what they were. examples 300% on a new car, gas costs around 9 dollars a gallon, national sales tax of 26%, (even between vendors, yes that's correct you as a final customer probably payed it at least twice) I pay 33% income tax.
However you can use the system big time. Back problem? Stay home forever. Kid pukes? Stay home a month. Unemployment for two years if you get fired, which is unlikely since it is close to impossible for a company to do that. Want to start a little company? Great idea, except you will have to compete with someone who is "sick" or retired who can work for 1/3 of what you could take and barely get by. So Norway punishes honest people and rewards dishonest ones, right up to terrorists. That guy who murdered those 80 kids last July lives in a nice country prison and had to select, out of hundreds, 15 women to have his baby. Most Norwegians think that is just swell.
I could rant til my keyboard exploded but I think that will do.
 So because everyone is encouraged to be helpless, Norways whole plan seems to be to turn into one giant nursing home. And indeed many people are brought in to take care of retirees. Norwegians of course don't want to work so companies are allowed to hire people who don't live there. Most of the actual work at the company I work for is done by people who live in and are from Romania.
 You are right about the churches but many of the actual burners were murdering scumbags besides being arsonist and it is hard to like them so much. I will say this though, when a Norwegian becomes a real criminal they tend to be pretty smart. They can do a great deal of damage as well because the authorities are used to such a docile people. That terrorist mentioned earlier actually got bored waiting for the fucking cops to show up.
 Where was I?
 A lot of immigrants come into the country and work hard. These people are generally kicked out. Some immigrants come in and do crime. The authorities can't find these, and unless one is sleeping on the couch in the police station lobby they won't put a lot of effort into finding them either, if they do have to arrest one of them for the blood spatter all over his cloths he gets to go to a prison that is like a hotel. Then of course there are bunches that come in legally and live off the state. During the Cosovo war towards the end Norway sent hard working mothers and innocent children back to Bosnia, while young male "conscientious objectors" got to stay living off the dole.
 Norways culture seems to be committing suicide now that I think about it. Good riddance.

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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2012, 03:55:02 PM »

You live in Norway? WTF?????

You'd better keep your socialist thoughts to yourself or we'll invade! America > Europe! Ahhhhhh!

Seriously, though, one of my econ instructors in college was from Sweden and we studied its labor laws. Basically, due to the fact that its near impossible for fire someone, its near impossible to get hired. The employer is taking a huge risk when he/she hires someone because it will likely be a multi-year gamble.

He told us to think of it like this.......pretend that you have to marry the person you meet on your first date for 2-3 years. Would you not be more picky about who you ask out?
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2012, 05:06:00 PM »

I deleted a lot. My "Norway sucks" rant can go a couple of books. Anti immigration wasn't my thing even when I was a Republican, so its not really my subject, but I tried. They force companies to hire too, though. Honestly, finding a boss to complain about this is almost a pleasure. Norwegians are bizarre. They complain, just not about the state.*


I was Born and raised in Montana. I have to be in Norway because of my kids being here.

You shouldn't marry chicks after a couple of dates?
Ah man... that explains a lot.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2012, 07:21:17 PM »

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this stuff. If a country developed a balanced system that actually worked - under the tag of Socialism, Communism, whatever - as long as it worked I'd be fine with paying high taxes. As it is now, Norway's culture is fucked. At least in the ways you've described.

The present day culture there is screwed up, but I don't see it as the "real" Norwegian culture. Just as I don't view today's American culture as being authentic. But I'm probably totally wrong on this and am clinging too hard to nostalgia.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2012, 12:05:45 AM »

The real unsubsidised culture, is beautiful. You find it on old farms boat docks etc. they are being crushed by high taxes. Many of the people working on their own accord to preserve that are also immigrants. It is even sadder to watch, they don't have a chance. When the old owner dies, the state will make it impossible for the next generation (or buyer who gives a fuck) to carry on.

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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2012, 08:46:28 PM »

A First Timer’s View of an American Renaissance Conference

http://amren.com/opinion/2012/03/a-first-timers-view-of-an-american-renaissance-conference/

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A weekend of fellowship and inspiration.

I attended the 2012 American Renaissance Conference, which was held this past weekend, March 16–18. I would like to tell those who wanted to go but were unable to attend, those who are considering attending in the future, as well as those who have their doubts about the whole thing, what it was like.



This was my first AR conference. I had registered for last year’s conference in Charlotte which was canceled due to thuggish intimidation from the enemies of free speech, and the spinelessness of hotel management. But I went to Charlotte anyway and attended the “shadow conference” organized by Matt Parrott and Jaenelle Antas. This small-scale but inspiring event provided a tantalizing glimpse of what a full-scale AR conference might be like, so I was determined not to miss this year’s affair.

To ensure our rights of free speech and assembly would be protected, the 2012 conference was held at the Montgomery Bell State Park Inn and Conference Center, a government property located about 40 miles west of Nashville, in central Tennessee. It was a good choice. The modern facility is a glass, stone and brick structure–very pleasing to the eye–overlooking a lake and set amidst rolling wooded hills. The staff was friendly and efficient, and my room was quite comfortable, with a nice view of the lake. I arrived in the early afternoon on Friday and after a quick workout in the fitness room began meeting other conference goers.

Almost immediately, it felt more like a family reunion—with blood relatives I had not met before—than a formal, academically oriented conference with strangers from all over the United States and Europe. Virtually everyone was warm and friendly—and interesting. I was soon engrossed in conversations with doctors, professors, lawyers, engineers, businessmen, teachers, college students and retirees. These people had come to the conference for the same reason I had: a concern for the future of our people and our civilization. The camaraderie was instant and intense.

The formal part of the conference, from Friday’s reception and welcome by Jared Taylor through the speeches over the next two days and Mr. Taylor’s concluding remarks on Sunday, has already been well described by Henry Wolff. To that I will add a few personal observations about the speakers and my experiences.

Although all the speakers were interesting, and often entertaining, I had several favorites: Robert Weissburg, for his puckish humor and practical advice on how to use the hypocrisy and implicit racism of the Left to keep our communities white–implicitly, but effectively; Alex Kurtagic, for his fiery demand that we must be creators of a new, better, Western man, not mere defenders of the old, flawed version–still beloved by “mainstream” conservatives—which is bringing us closer to destruction each day; and David Yeagley, whose unique perspective as a Comanche Indian lent special punch to his message for the white race: Man up!

But despite the high quality of the speakers, the best part of the conference for me was the fellowship I’ve already described, plus the opportunity to meet people I’ve come to know and admire on the internet. I was delighted to meet in person Courtney, a strong-willed and beautiful young woman from Alabama who is one of the fixtures of the Council of Conservative Citizens’ chat room. I had a chance to talk with James Edwards, the dynamic and charismatic host of The Political Cesspool radio show, whom I had met once before. And I finally got to meet James’ co-host, the great Keith Alexander, whose “take no prisoners” commentary and exposés of what really happened during the civil-rights movement make him–as James often says–a national treasure.

On Saturday night, long after the last speech, I found myself deep in conversation with some of the “young guns” of our movement, many of whom were college students or recent graduates. The idealism, intensity, and intelligence of these young people were inspiring and filled me with hope for the future.

It’s difficult to sum up exactly what it was like to finally attend an AmRen conference, but I’ll give it a try. I like to hike, camp, and climb mountains. Sometimes, after a long, hard day, through hail and snow and slippery rocks, the hiker comes to a point where the air is especially clean, the view is especially glorious, and the feeling of accomplishment is especially satisfying–where he feels like he has done a good thing.

That’s the feeling I have after attending the 2012 AR conference.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2012, 09:03:25 PM »

A First Timer’s View of an American Renaissance Conference

http://amren.com/opinion/2012/03/a-first-timers-view-of-an-american-renaissance-conference/


Hope you'll answer a few questions.

Average age of attendees? Do you feel the organization is primarily older individuals?

Average disposition of attendees? Bitter, cowardly, meek, pleasant?

Is the morality centered on Christianity? For instance, how open is the group to atheists & gays or others outside the "mainstream"?

For that matter, would minorities be welcome to attend, assuming they had a peaceful presence?
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2012, 09:36:44 PM »

-- One of the main speakers was a minority. Many Americans, of all colors, want less immigration.

-- Many people are sympathetic to Homosexuality, and are homosexual themselves, which brings them to the movement in the first place. As gays are being persecuted by third world immigrants in western nations.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2012, 09:41:06 PM »

Many Americans, of all colors, want less immigration.

 

How can you have less immigration without a huge police presence and central authority? Seems the two always go hand in hand.
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Re: Anti-Immigration activist Jared Taylor
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2012, 09:47:23 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2012, 11:28:05 PM »

I dont' know if it'll work out right. But it's worth a shot at setting up an interview
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2012, 01:10:31 AM »

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