Cages

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

Hmmm, this Methuselah sounds like a pretty smart guy.


I'll might just have to check that out. I think you mentioned this book before, but I probably spaced it off at the time.

Coincidentally the Ericksson Foundation (however they spell it) concept was also nabbed from a Heinlein book; it appears to be modeled after the "Free Trader" society of Heinlein's Citizen of the Galaxy.

[Turd Ferguson]

I just found a bittorrent with all of Heinlen's books in e-book format included in it. Cool.

[Diogenes The Cynic]

I agree with MikeHz (I always read that as Hertz) with this one. If a person isn't socialized enough to live among civil society, and transgresses a law, he should be punished by a set time of removal.

[LoveFreedomAndLiberty]

A man spends 2 years in solitary for DWI:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/26/10243856-letters-from-solitary-confinement-reveal-dwi-mans-despair

Covicted but later found innocent:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/wrongfully-imprisoned-man-awarded-25-million-damages-212356410.html

http://rawjustice.com/2010/10/18/15-people-who-were-jailed-andor-executed-then-found-innocent/

Is the current system working?  
Have these people been caused any psychological issues?
Can money restore a human being's psychology?
Can money restore time?

[LoveFreedomAndLiberty]

3)What do cages do to human psychology?

Probably make those who are or were caged feel like shit and decide to fix their lives for the future so they don't have to return to a terrible life in a cage again.

6)Should claustrophobic people be placed in cages?

If they committed a real crime with a victim that warrants a caging, who the fuck cares about their psychology?

7)Do some people come out of the cage with more problems than they went in with?

Sure, but if they did something that warrants a caging then who the fuck cares?

I care. Considering that some people will be released into society again, I think it is important to avoid creating psychological problems in people.  I think it is important to avoid placing people in places where they can become the victim of a crime.  I think if society plans to release a person back into society, the mental state of every individual should be a serious concern.

[LoveFreedomAndLiberty]

A rape cage should only be used for temporary holding.

If someone is so bad you need to lock them up for a long time, you might as well kill them.

Good point.  The sad thing is when the wrong person is convicted.  However, I think it is cruel to hold a human in a cage for long periods.

What time frame would be temporary?

[Defendant]

I agree with MikeHz (I always read that as Hertz) with this one. If a person isn't socialized enough to live among civil society, and transgresses a law, he should be punished by a set time of removal.

It depends on the law, some laws are only there because they were lobbied by a bunch of bureaucratic fucks.

You can find plenty of examples of that by state-by-state legislation.  Pot, abortion, buttfucking, the DUI skirmish that resulted in .08 from highway funding- courtesy of MADD.  

People love to argue that DUI law as safety to the citizenry, I think its nonsense in a country that has equal gun homicides to drunk driving deaths.

[LoveFreedomAndLiberty]

Are there any cases where DNA, Drugs, etc. have ever been planted?  Have lies ever been told to convict someone?  Have mistakes ever been made?

Should placing the wrong person in jail for 16 years(as an example), be considered a crime?  Should those involved in placing the wrong person in jail for 16 years(as an example) be held accountable and charged with a crime?
  

[LoveFreedomAndLiberty]

Interesting Articles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us/23prison.html?pagewanted=all

"Incarceration Rates by Country":

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Incarceration

[LoveFreedomAndLiberty]

Do these people deserve to be placed in a cage?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/debtors-prison-legal-in-more-than-one-third-of-us-states_n_1107524.html

http://www.startribune.com/investigators/95692619.html

http://www.keyc.tv/story/15176536/jackson-man-jailed-for-shingling

[Defendant]

Have lies ever been told to convict someone?  Have mistakes ever been made?

Do you pay attention to the things you say?

I hate to be an asshole about it, but you have a dozen threads asking stupid shit like this, and the answers are quite fucking obvious.

[Dalebert]

stupid shit

obvious.

>.>

[Cognitive Dissident]

I agree with MikeHz (I always read that as Hertz) with this one. If a person isn't socialized enough to live among civil society, and transgresses a law, he should be punished by a set time of removal.

It depends on the law, some laws are only there because they were lobbied by a bunch of bureaucratic fucks.

You can find plenty of examples of that by state-by-state legislation.  Pot, abortion, buttfucking, the DUI skirmish that resulted in .08 from highway funding- courtesy of MADD.  

People love to argue that DUI law as safety to the citizenry, I think its nonsense in a country that has equal gun homicides to drunk driving deaths.

...and the special case of THC-DUI, which in some cases includes zero tolerance, meaning if any is found in your blood, you're DUI per se (legally so, regardless of whether you are actually DUI.)  This is important, because in most states, you can have THC in your system--well over the stated limits, typically between two and five nanograms per milliliter--and not be measurably impaired at all.  We defeated a 5mg bill in Colorado last year, and the same asshole is coming back this year, with bigger and bolder lies than last year.   It took a major effort to get it tossed at around 8:30pm of a morning hearing, and we don't get paid to fight it.  Those assholes get paid, and they pull every trick in the book to try to get these things railroaded through, which they eventually do, such as the bill that made it "illegal" to grow in most counties (by zoning it out), even though the constitution clearly states that patients have a right to grow for themselves.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Interesting Articles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us/23prison.html?pagewanted=all

"Incarceration Rates by Country":

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Incarceration

Fucking Nixon and the war on drugs--it couldn't be any clearer.

[Fred]

yea, fuck the "I'm not a crook" fucking crook that was richard milhouse nixon - dickhead!

law and order motherfucka's