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Let's say a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to have the baby.  In an ideal system of law and government, which of the parties listed below would be able to forbid her from having an abortion:

I'm not a "pro-lifer", so this is the only option I'll check.
- 25 (35.7%)
Her own guilt should force her or she'll be ostrasized and burn in hell (doesn't involve the gov).
- 14 (20%)
Her parents should be able to forbid the abortion (if she's under 18).
- 9 (12.9%)
Her lawful husband should be able to forbid her.
- 5 (7.1%)
The "baby-daddy" should be to forbid her / sue for damages.
- 6 (8.6%)
The municipal or county government should be able to forbid her (depending on local laws).
- 3 (4.3%)
The state / sub-national government should be able to forbid her.
- 5 (7.1%)
The federal / national government should be able to forbid her.
- 1 (1.4%)
The world government (ex. UN) should be able to forbid her.
- 1 (1.4%)
The higher layers of government should forbid travel to a jurisdiction where it's legal (i.e. across state lines).
- 1 (1.4%)

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AlexLibman

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A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« on: August 10, 2007, 04:43:01 PM »

This poll does not address the question of development stages of the fetus, the health of the mother, and other complex points, just the question of jurisdiction.

If you self-identify as "pro-choice", as most of people on this forum probably do, please only check the first item.  (Or maybe reading this poll has blurred the lines between those two popular labels?)

If self-identify as "pro-life", please check all entities that you believe should be able to prevent a woman from getting an abortion (based on whatever legal or moral rationalization they may have), or to sue / punish her and/or the abortion doctor afterwards.

If you only pick #2-3, you're not a prohibitionist "pro-lifer" by my definition, you just don't like abortion and/or you just support parent's rights.  The same might apply to #4 (and possibly even #5) as right of contract - if the parties involved made an agreement (possibly even verbal) to follow a certain moral code that excludes the possibility of abortion, then by having an abortion the woman might be considered guilty of breach of contract, but not a crime.

If I understand Ron Paul's "pro-life" position correctly, then he would have only checked the "state / sub-national government" one and nothing below it, which means in a Ron Paul utopia anyone would be able to travel across state lines to get an abortion.  As far as I know, all Democrats (and Don Ghuliani) would check nothing below the fifth option, while all remaining Republicans want the eight option (federal ban).
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Re: A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2007, 04:51:53 PM »

Why can't you be pro-choice and still want her to abide by her conscience?
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Re: A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2007, 05:10:49 PM »

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Re: A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2007, 05:24:10 PM »

Why can't you be pro-choice and still want her to abide by her conscience?

Of course you can.  I'm sorry if my wording of option #2 caused confusion, I meant it as a "pro-lifers against government prohibition" sorta thing, using hellfire and brimstone and social ostracism instead of the courts to oppose abortion.

Since some people already voted for that option before I rephrased it, I've reset the poll so the 3 people who voted would have to vote again.
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Re: A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2007, 08:34:33 PM »

LMFAO!  I just love seeing "baby-daddy" written out...
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Re: A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2007, 10:17:07 PM »

Nobody else thinks the father has any rights? Odd.
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Re: A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2007, 12:55:34 AM »

Conscience and municipal. She can always go to a county where they don't consider fetuses people.

For the record, I'm only opposed to abortion after the baby can feel pain.
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Re: A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2007, 06:10:58 AM »

Interesting results, so far. I'm gonna go with, if you make a baby, have the baby and stop listening to the pro-choice arguments, because those arguments are ridiculous. Yer not having a little blob of jelly, ladies...yer having a "Baby". Accept the responsibility!
How is having an abortion not accepting the responsibility?

If I let some strawberries get moldy, do I have to eat the moldy strawberries to accept responsibility or do I have to not eat anything to accept responsibility or can I eat something else to accept responsibility?

There are other responsible courses of action than "Have the baby", and "have an abortion" is one of them.
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Re: A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2007, 08:46:14 AM »

Very interesting mix of opinions.  It's presumptious to assume that any group of people, no matter how "like-minded" they are, are going to be able to reach a consensus on this issue.  Keeping the government out of it is a good idea, though.
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Re: A Questionnaire For "Pro-Lifers"
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2007, 11:25:44 AM »

Nobody else thinks the father has any rights? Odd.

You think he does?


I'm only opposed to abortion after the baby can feel pain.

Why?
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2007, 02:49:29 PM »

Nobody else thinks the father has any rights? Odd.

You think he does?

His genes, his property.
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2007, 03:27:13 PM »

If you carve a stick and throw it into my yard that doesn't mean you can rightfully come onto my property to get it.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2007, 03:30:50 PM »

If you carve a stick and throw it into my yard that doesn't mean you can rightfully come onto my property to get it.

A stick isn't human.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2007, 03:34:46 PM »

So?
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