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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: Puke on June 19, 2005, 11:02:24 PM
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Not much happening in here. Where have all the Shriners gone?
Since I have nothing to talk about I'll just sit here and read.
Messy bathroom? Give each family member a basket for toilet articles. Bathroom stays neat.
Does flying make you queasy? Try eating foods high in carbohydrates before boarding. One study suggests these types of foods help prevent airsickness.
All-purpose ice pack. Try freezing a wet paper towel in a resealable plastic bag. Use it as a mini-ice pack to keep food cool. Once melted, it will also double as a wipe for hands and faces after meals.
Can't open your kitchen drawer? A kitchen drawer stuffed with boxed wrapping materials neednt defy opening. Turn the boxes a quarter turn so the tops nudge each other. Now the drawer works smoothly again.
Entertaining Tip. At buffet parties fill paper nut-cups with dip so guests can have individual servings on their plates.
Bored Kids? Make your own fun. Place some food coloring in a spray bottle filled with water. Then give a few different colors to kids so they can paint the snow.
Ring stuck? Use window cleaner spray to remove a ring thats stuck on your finger. Spray will also make your ring sparkle.
Planting for fragrance? Try planting the following: Carnations, Pinks, Mignonettes, Lavender, Fragrant Nicotiana, Violas, Ornamental Basil, Rosemary, Sweet William, English Wallflower
Save your lawn. To minimize damage to your lawn, mix sand, dirt, or kitty litter with salt when putting it on your walks and driveway.
Plant for Butterflies. To attract butterflies to your garden, plant lots of colorful flowers. Butterflies seem to be especially attracted to purple, yellow, orange, and red. Keep the colors growing all season by growing different varieties that bloom at different times.
Unwanted Bumper Sticker? To remove unwanted bumper stickers, rub with cigarette lighter fluid.
Knots? Shake a little talcum powder or cornstarch on knotted cords or shoelaces and knots will pull apart rather easily?
Get rid of stale tobacco smoke in a room by letting a bowl of water with a little ammonia stand in the room overnight.
To remove ink from carpets, wash the stain immediately with skim milk.
Mix two tablespoons dry mustard and a 1/2 cup of water and wash areas that smell like fish. This also works well when washing fishy dishes.
When picking sweet potatoes, choose the dark skinned ones. The darker skinned are known to be sweeter and more moist than the lighter skinned variety.
Autumn is a good time to trim trees and shrubs that touch the house and to remove leaves from gutters.
An African Violet with leaves growing horizontally is telling you the amount of light it receives is perfect. Leaves growing upwards or downwards are sending a message to change location.
A cucumber that grows in dry, hot weather can turn bitter. Chop a piece off the stem end and taste. Sometimes the peel, too, must be removed
Let carrots grow until maturity. Before this time they have not developed enough sugar for optimum flavor.
Flowers in a cut arrangement look pleasantly balanced when buds are at the top of the bouquet, half-opened flowers in the middle, and opened blooms at the base.
Dirty and rusty garden tools need to be kept clean, not for appearance sake but because pitted metal attracts soil and slows the work. Use rust remover and a wire brush. Pass a hand file over cutting edges. Then sand handles and wipe on linseed oil.
It is time to "work" the soil in spring when you squeeze a handful and it crumbles. If the soil forms a ball, it is still too wet to start gardening.
When building a garden, use newspaper under your loam and topsoil. The newspaper will kill all the weeds and grass underneath, plus it will compost into great mulch that roots can grow through.
Natures fertilizer is there for the taking. Dont burn leaves; use them to improve garden soil. Chop the leaves up with a lawn mower. Make a compost pile and store your leaves there. Spade into the garden as needed.
Try starting seeds in eggshell halves. Its economical and earth-friendly. Store planted shells in egg carts so they can easily be moved to sunny spots. Plant as is. Roots break through and the decomposed shell acts as fertilizers.
Instead of using insecticides, try planting marigolds, basil, savory, horseradish, mint, onions, garlic, and chives near your garden. These plants (and many others) natural and root secretions repel some insects.
Isn't plagiarism fun! :mrgreen:
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There is great wisdom in theese statements.
By the way, did you know rubbing cigarette ashes on your skin can remove hair dye? Toothpaste works too, but I didnt find that out until after I started with the ashes.
I reccomend using the toothpaste.
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Hair dye?
OK, I sure didn't.
Never dyed my hair, I shave my head.
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actually, regarding the rusty garden tools... you could just keep a large wash tub with old motor oil in it and leave your tools work end down in the oil... but dont cover up to the handle.
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That you could. I didn't make the list though, thank the Farmer's Almanac for that.
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good times
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Are they, I just lost my marbles. :(
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Are they, I just lost my marbles. :(
So sad, so sad
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Hair dye?
OK, I sure didn't.
Never dyed my hair, I shave my head.
Ah, see I've been dying my hair every 6 weeks for almost 4 years now.
My scalp will probably start peeling off in a few more.
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you woman
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:roll: :wink:
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My mom dyed my hair once when I was asleep. Not a nice experience. Kids, don't try this at home.
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Hey... I am a chick... and I just stumbled upon your message board... and started pod casting this radio show....
I am a total Air America junkie... but I have a huge void in my day since they took Unfiltered off the air! ... and replaced it with Jerry Springer.... now I have this show to fill that few hours of daily dead space !.... I am sooo stoked!
I am sure this post sounds stupid... but I HAD to write something! ... you boys seemed soo dejected!
We ladies appreciate talk radio too! .... Christ... women do nothing BUT talk! hehehehe LOL...... see ya' on the boards!
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so... you listen to air america AND free talk live??? and like both??? either youre a mindless sheep tho doesnt listen or youre just weird and sadistic... or just weird.
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I say .... Just weird! heheheheeh LOL..... There is no accounting for taste sometimes! :twisted:
Besides... that Friday rant about the 'pot' pops was hilarious! ... I am from Chicago(no longer living there :(... so it was beyond funny when they brought up the 'criminal nature' of the city's government!
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I think you misunderstand my draw to AAR ..... I like the Angry left... I enjoy watching people mobilize..... not to mention the morning show... with Marc Marron... sometimes makes me laugh..... the guy is a total now a days woody Allen... neurotic... mostly rambles.... but once in a while has these truly Ironic moments of clarity.... sorta like our esteemed commander in chief! hehehehe LOL
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It's good to have another lady around, period. Welcome. 8)
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:twisted: Well thanks! ... Glad to be a commodity! :twisted:
heheheh Kidding... of course!
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its good to meet someone who does the radio equivalent of dumpster diving.
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:twisted: I'm all about recycling! .... hehehehe.... besides mr. Buddha... does one not learn more when they seek information from a plethora of venues?!? :?:
Life wouldn't be much of an exp. if all we did was seek out others who are exactly like us! ...
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Life wouldn't be much of an exp. if all we did was seek out others who are exactly like us! ...
No, and it would be boring as hell too.
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you may want to ask what my sn means... it came about because im fat and i think about things way too much about way too many dumb things... ive tried learning more about the religion but i find most internet researching intensely boring.
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If you are a thinker mr Buddha sir, why the animosity over my "dumpster diving" ?
... I believe that is how you put it....heheeheh
To think too much, too long, about anything seems like as good a way as any to spend your time!
... as for being fat... you should be careful about that! Afterall, healthcare is expensive and you don't want to get caught up in those crazy anti hyper tension drugs ... pharmaceuticals are EVIL! ... :x ... unless you are using them for recreational purposes... then... not so bad! :twisted: heehehh
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Recycling is bullshit. More government lies. http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=r
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being fat is bad??? NO!!!!!!!!!!! and i just smoke the occasional clove cigarette
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You can be fat and have good health... It depends on the types of fats that you take in. As long as your heart is running smoothly and your breathing is not affected then your ok. But if you have troubles breathing while doing basic day to day activities then you might want to look into on cutting down on the amount of food that you eat. As for me, I tend to put on more weight during the winter, since I do not really go outside and do any physical activities. But I loose it all in the summer when I go everywhere on my mountain bike. As for recycling, yeah it is bullshit... Just reuse stuff, that will be your best way to go. You would not believe on how many computers and computer parts that I found off the garbage that I rebuilt into better machines and donated them to local schools.
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Recycling is bullshit. More government lies.
One thing that I noticed that is good is that in states where recycled goods are bought from the public there is far less garbage in the ditches.
That's my theory anyway. I'd rather not have garbage all over the fucking place like some god forsaken shit hole in South America.
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Go watch that episode of P&T's BS. In a Free Market, someone might pay you for your garbage eventually. Plus if all roads were private, littering would be a property rights violation.
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Go watch that episode of P&T's BS. In a Free Market, someone might pay you for your garbage eventually. Plus if all roads were private, littering would be a property rights violation.
A lot of what P & T say is propoganda.
Their argument that recycling isn't profitable is ignorant. There are plenty of things that are worthwile that aren't profitable.
Their argument that '...there is still plenty of land left to dump trash' is way beside the point, but I am willing to bet that neither Penn nor Teller live next to a dump, nor would they want to. But thats just it, they can afford to live wherever they want. A lot of people have to live where they can afford it. And if the government says that you have to have a garbage dump next door, there is not much you can do about it.
Recycling isn't the answer to the trash problem, and it was never meant to be. It was meant as a stop gap soulution to help reduce the harm of all this disposable shit.
If you look at the recylcing logo it says, Reduce, Resuse, Recycle. It is meant for people to do it in that order. Recuce that amount of waste that you take in. Reuse what you can, and recycle what is left.
People seem to forget that the fist two are the most important.
The real problem isn't Recycling its over packaging and things that are 'disposable'. What would be really good is if people stopped buying this over packaged crap.
No recycling isn't profitable, but it is better than the alternative. I would much my tax money go to a recycling program, than another dump.
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Did you watch that episode? If you did, and still believe in recycling, you're lying to yourself.
It's good propaganda.
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I like the idea of incinerators. If you can filter the shit out of the smoke then it's a pretty good way of reducing trash and making electricity.
I would rather have a private company do that, but right now it isn't happening b/c of the government.
But I haven't seen the show so I don't know what they said. I still think that recycling is better for tax money then wars or politician salaries.
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It's a waste of time, effort, and money.
It only gives worthless bureaucrats jobs. That's it. Everything else is for show, to make people think they are doing something for the environment.
Everyone has been hoaxed. As usual.
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Did you watch that episode? If you did, and still believe in recycling, you're lying to yourself.
It's good propaganda.
Did you even read my post?
Penn and Teller are great, but sometimes they think they are more clever than they really are.
The whole bullshit experiment on that show only proved that people don't like to say no to your face. If you think those people would have really put all that crap in seprate bins you are fooling youself.
But did you notice that they proposed no better soloution?
Like I said their only real complaint about it was that it 'didn't make money'. So What? I am not suggesting that the sytem isn't fucked up right now, but the only reason it is , is because its run by ineffiecent burecrats. That dosent mean that it couldn't work. Right? That's like saying that because the government can't do education right then education as an idea is bullshit. right?
And like I said before, before recycling would even do any good is if A) Manufacturers would stop making stuff that is disposable. B) The containers that they do make can be re-used or re-purposed. Only then would it make sense to recycle what was left. We got along just fine for 100-200,000 years without garbage dumps, now when the population of the world expanding as it is, its more important than ever that we get rid of them.
They say that there is pleny of land available for garbage to be dumped. I say that is not the point. NO land should have to have a dump on it. Its wasteful, stupid and unnessicary.
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That was not their only real complaint. They had counter claims for all the recycling advocates' bullshit claims. The fact that it makes no money points out the futility of the whole process.
There were other complaints, including the part about recycling creating more pollution than making materials from scratch! How about the complaint that your county's recycling program is just a bullshit government bureaucracy.
It's been a while since I've seen the episode, but in regards to landfills, don't forget that those are either operated by governments or government approved monopolies. If we had Free Market competition in garbage collection, we might not have landfills anymore. Who knows what people seeking profit would come up with.
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There were other complaints, including the part about recycling creating more pollution than making materials from scratch!
Their logic on that one was flawed. To reach that argument they said that because the garbage trucks had to drive the trash to a recycling center, and then to a manufacturer, and then to be sold, that it wasted more fuel. They forgot to mention that it takes way more fuel to dig up raw materials from the ground than it does to transport them, and they didn't add in the cost of enviornmetal damage either.
It is pretty easy to skew the facts in your direction. The republicans have been 'proving' for years that global warming dosent exist, this is the ulitmate bullshit. Put out by mega corporations who finds that it is much more profitable than being 'environmentaly friendly'.
How about the complaint that your county's recycling program is just a bullshit government bureaucracy.
Again, I get the feeling that you did'nt read my whole post, which said I am not suggesting that the sytem isn't fucked up right now, but the only reason it is , is because its run by ineffiecent burecrats.
It's been a while since I've seen the episode, but in regards to landfills, don't forget that those are either operated by governments or government approved monopolies. If we had Free Market competition in garbage collection, we might not have landfills anymore. Who knows what people seeking profit would come up with.
I am sure whatever the free market comes up with would be wonderful, but I have heard of no better solution so far.
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Their argument that recycling isn't profitable is ignorant. There are plenty of things that are worthwile that aren't profitable.
And that means we should be forced to pay for it by government?
Their argument that '...there is still plenty of land left to dump trash' is way beside the point, but I am willing to bet that neither Penn nor Teller live next to a dump, nor would they want to.
If you lived next to a dump, you probably wouldn't even notice it. Most of them look just like cleared fields.
But thats just it, they can afford to live wherever they want.
P&T both built their homes on cheap land in the Nevada desert near Las Vegas.
Recycling isn't the answer to the trash problem, and it was never meant to be. It was meant as a stop gap soulution to help reduce the harm of all this disposable shit.
Which would be?
BTW, it takes more energy and creates more pollution to recycle a newspaper or a plastic bottle than it does to make it again from scratch.
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Like I said their only real complaint about it was that it 'didn't make money'.
You obviously didn't watch the episode.
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And that means we should be forced to pay for it by government?
Did I say that? NO
If you lived next to a dump, you probably wouldn't even notice it. Most of them look just like cleared fields.
Bullshit. I did live near a dump. It look like a mountain of trash and smelled like shit.
P&T both built their homes on cheap land in the Nevada desert near Las Vegas.
On or near a garbage dump?
Recycling isn't the answer to the trash problem, and it was never meant to be. It was meant as a stop gap soulution to help reduce the harm of all this disposable shit.
Which would be?
What?
BTW, it takes more energy and creates more pollution to recycle a newspaper or a plastic bottle than it does to make it again from scratch.
This is not true.
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Did I say that? NO
You referred to P&T's argument against paying for recycling, and that's what they were talking about.
Bullshit. I did live near a dump. It look like a mountain of trash and smelled like shit.
Come visit. I'll take you to a landfill. I'll bet you you won't even believe me when I tell you it's a landfill until you take a tour of the place. I'll take you golfing or to a beautiful park on landfills, and I doublt you'll believe they were landfills, either.
Or, did you mean a government household garbage collection site? Because that's a different thing entirely.
On or near a garbage dump?
Irrelevant to your point.
What?
What do you mean, "What?" Support your assertion!
This is not true.
This absolutely is true. You're just in denial. The only substance for which this isn't true is aluminum; that's why they PAY YOU FOR IT!
If it is true, then there's this big unexploited market out there. Go for it! Start your own recycling business and pay people to bring their plastic and newspaper to you! See then for youself how true it is...
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You referred to P&T's argument against paying for recycling, and that's what they were talking about.
Actually, I was talking about the Idea of recycling, not the way it works now. Ian brought up P&T.
Come visit. I'll take you to a landfill. I'll bet you you won't even believe me when I tell you it's a landfill until you take a tour of the place. I'll take you golfing or to a beautiful park on landfills, and I doublt you'll believe they were landfills, either.
Just because you can paint a turd gold, dosent make it valuable.
Or, did you mean a government household garbage collection site? Because that's a different thing entirely.
All I know is it said "Monroe County Landfill" on the sign and there was a mountain of trash behind it. And I used to haul construction debris to another landfill which was much worse.
Irrelevant to your point.
No, acutally, that was my point. They can safely say "Hey landfills are great!" all they want because they know that they will never be forced to live near one.
What do you mean, "What?" Support your assertion!
My quote "Recycling isn't the answer to the trash problem, and it was never meant to be. It was meant as a stop gap soulution to help reduce the harm of all this disposable shit."
and then you said "Which would be?"
what is your question?
This absolutely is true. You're just in denial. The only substance for which this isn't true is aluminum; that's why they PAY YOU FOR IT!
If it is true, then there's this big unexploited market out there. Go for it! Start your own recycling business and pay people to bring their plastic and newspaper to you! See then for youself how true it is...
No. Just because you can't make money from recycling, that does not prove that "it takes more energy and creates more pollution to recycle a newspaper or a plastic bottle than it does to make it again from scratch." the only thing that proves is that its cheaper for them to do it the way that they have been.
And Like I said before. Reycling will only work if the other systems are in place. You cant just say, Oh, I recycle so everything will be all right. Recycling alone will solve nothig, it was never meant to be a soloution. that dosent mean that it is a bad idea.
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All I know is it said "Monroe County Landfill" on the sign
Government, then. Municipal at that. That's all you need to know.
No, acutally, that was my point. They can safely say "Hey landfills are great!" all they want because they know that they will never be forced to live near one.
No one is forced to live near one. No one is forced to live anywhere.
what is your question?
What is the "harm of all this disposable shit"?
If it is true, then there's this big unexploited market out there. Go for it! Start your own recycling business and pay people to bring their plastic and newspaper to you! See then for youself how true it is...
No.
Why not? Afraid to be proven wrong?
Just because you can't make money from recycling, that does not prove that "it takes more energy and creates more pollution to recycle a newspaper or a plastic bottle than it does to make it again from scratch."
If it takes less energy, it can be done more cheaply. Ergo, you should be able to make money doing it. And the hybrid cars prove there is a market for things that don't pollute as much. So start your corporation and market to the greenies. Unless, of course, you're afraid of being proven wrong...
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Government, then. Municipal at that. That's all you need to know.
Your point here. I have already said that It shouldn't be the governments job, and they fuck it up.
No one is forced to live near one. No one is forced to live anywhere.
If the government puts one in my neighborhood, then yea. I am pretty much forced to, or If that is the only place I can afford to live. I realise that I could move. If I could afford to that is, and if anyone would want to buy my house or land at a reasonble rate, now that it is next to a landfill. But that isn't much of an option. Its not exactally being forced, but close enough for me.
What is the "harm of all this disposable shit"?
How about landfills, for one, how about all of the pollution it takes to remake all of the plastic's that get thrown away. How about all of the money we waste every year on useless shit that we throw away. I don't care for throwing money away. How about all of the trash that is thrown out of car windows, littering our roadways, parks, homes, and well, everywhere. I could keep going.
Why not? Afraid to be proven wrong?
A) I don't want to start a recycling buisnes. B) I never said that there was a monetary profit from it. In fact I have said several times that I agree that, at least the way its set up now, that it isn't profitable. I also said that "THAT IS NOT THE FUCKING POINT" Goddamn. You people act like if there isn't a dime to be made at something then its not worthwhile.
If it takes less energy, it can be done more cheaply. Ergo, you should be able to make money doing it. And the hybrid cars prove there is a market for things that don't pollute as much. So start your corporation and market to the greenies. Unless, of course, you're afraid of being proven wrong...
It is not nessicarily the case that if it takes less energy, it can be done more cheaply. I am not afraid of being proven wrong. If you can go right ahead. I will adimit it if I am wrong. So far, I have heard nothing that I haven't heard come out of republicans mouths time and again. Of course, they have been saying that smoking pot and global warming were wrong for years. It dosent' make it true just because they say it over and over again.
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Of course, they have been saying that smoking pot and global warming were wrong for years. It dosent' make it true just because they say it over and over again.
It's Global Climate Change now because they can't figure out if it is warming this decade or it it is global cooling that they were predicting the end of the world with a couple decades ago. Of course some people saw the documentary called The Day After Tomorrow and now expect global warming to create the next ice age.
I'll enjoy my summer which is hotter than the last two summers, but not hotter than the two prior to those.
Hardy
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If the government puts one in my neighborhood, then yea.
There's that word "government" again. In a free market, if you don't want a garbage dump in your neighborhood, and your neighbors concur, set up deed restrictions. But the government can always declare eminent domain and put it wherever they want. The force here is by government.
How about landfills, for one,
What harm do landfills constitute?
how about all of the pollution it takes to remake all of the plastic's that get thrown away.
They're going to get remade anyway. They don't recycle plastic because it's more expensive and creates more pollution to do so. The recycled plastic goes to make bullshit products that are three times as expensive as they need to be.
How about all of the money we waste every year on useless shit that we throw away. I don't care for throwing money away. How about all of the trash that is thrown out of car windows, littering our roadways, parks, homes, and well, everywhere.
Nothing to do with what we're talking about.
A) I don't want to start a recycling buisnes. B) I never said that there was a monetary profit from it.
But if what you say is true, then there would be a profit to be made from it. Why haven't people done so?
It is not nessicarily the case that if it takes less energy, it can be done more cheaply.
Uh, yes, it is, actually. Less costs means that something can be done more cheaply.
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I'll enjoy my summer which is hotter than the last two summers, but not hotter than the two prior to those.
The fact that this summer is hotter is evidence of Global Warming! And the fact that the previous two summers weren't as hot is evidence of Global Warming! Don't you know? EVERYTHING is evidence of Global Warming!
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Global warming is globe wide!! :shock:
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I'll enjoy my summer which is hotter than the last two summers, but not hotter than the two prior to those.
The fact that this summer is hotter is evidence of Global Warming! And the fact that the previous two summers weren't as hot is evidence of Global Warming! Don't you know? EVERYTHING is evidence of Global Warming!
Oh of course Global Warming is bullshit, don't believe the Tons of scientific data on the subject. Those scientists, man they don't know shit. And I was just kidding about recycling. I think we should all buy as much disposable shit as possible and trash our whole planet. While were at it, I an breathe a little too easy. Would you people please, for the love of god start driving SUV's. I know the gas is expensive, but hey, you are helping out americka by polluting and buying wasteful, disposable shit. God Bless Amerika. Land of the ignorant destroyers of the Earth.
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Best way to cut down on polution is just to reuse stuff. I think it is the most effective thing that everyone can do. Old electronics can always be sold, fixed, repaired, donated. Same thing with clothe. Though most people don't give a shit to what will happen to the earth once they're maggot food. People are selfish dumbasses. Oh well that's life...
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Best way to cut down on polution is just to reuse stuff. I think it is the most effective thing that everyone can do. Old electronics can always be sold, fixed, repaired, donated. Same thing with clothe. Though most people don't give a shit to what will happen to the earth once they're maggot food. People are selfish dumbasses. Oh well that's life...
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Reusing stuff is a great way to cut down on trash. Reducing the amount we buy is the most effective, but also one of the hardest, because there are very few alternatives out there. There are plenty of people who care, but most of them don't have enough information. Its not like big media is pointing this stuff out, why would they? They are a big corportation themselves. Even alternative media seems to either push it aside, or you get these ignorant assholes who try to prove that global warming is all bullshit and that everything is just fine. Hey landfills are a great alternative to old growth forests! You can put a golf course there! How nice.
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Hey, I like golfing, fucker. :P
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Hey, I like golfing, fucker. :P
I like miniature golf, eggplant. :P
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Oh of course Global Warming is bullshit, don't believe the Tons of scientific data on the subject. Those scientists, man they don't know shit.
I have actually talked to several climatologists working in the field, and I've actually studied the original peer-reviewed scientific papers. Science has concluded:
- Average temperatures on the planet are rising
- Humans are one of the reasons why
That's IT. There is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for all these gloom-and-doom scenarios. Science just doesn't know what this global climage change is going to result in. There are many potential detriments, but there are also many potential benefits as well.
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I find it interesting that whenever something changes we always think it's because of us humans.
But the Earth is constantly changing and evolving.
Maybe this is just what the Earth does.
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I find it interesting that whenever something changes we always think it's because of us humans.
But the Earth is constantly changing and evolving.
Maybe this is just what the Earth does.
And we're part of the Earth; cerainly we have an effect. We've been having an effect on the environment for 8,000 years, according to recently published findings. We're a part of it.
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Yes, I understand that, but maybe this warming trend is just what happens.
We do fuck up the place good enough, but I prefer to know about all sides of this kind of stuff.
Not just the Green Peace propaganda.
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The best way to cut down on pollution, is to make the stuff last longer.
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Yes, I understand that, but maybe this warming trend is just what happens.
We do fuck up the place good enough, but I prefer to know about all sides of this kind of stuff.
Not just the Green Peace propaganda.
I have heard way more propogand from the other side. The Natural balance of the earth is way out of wack, and it IS because of us. Look, even if the polar ice caps don't melt, which they will if this warming trend continues, it has been proven, its what causes the global warming that is the real problem, not the flood.
Even if the costlines flood, (It would never be all of the land as in Water World) we could deal with that. It would suck, but the masses of humans could move to higher ground, but how polluted would our air be by then. You can't suggest that the tons and tons of polloution that we pump into the air, ground, and water is a good thing, can you?
We still don't undersand what some of the long term effects of this will be, yet we contine to allow this to go on. Why? It not because its "No big deal". Its not because these scienists are just being alarmist. Its because it makes these bastards money. Thats the ONLY reason. Would'nt it be much better to have a clean earth?
Right now there are only 6.2 billion of us. When I was a kid it was was 3.5 billlon, and this rate of growth is excelleratiing. Even if that wasn't a big enough problem on its own, we have already proven that we are damaging the earth, just imagine what 12 billion of us will do.
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Problem. Reaction. Solution.
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The best way to cut down on pollution, is to make the stuff last longer.
Try telling that to a CEO in Taiwan...
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The best way to cut down on pollution, is to make the stuff last longer.
Try telling that to a CEO in Taiwan...
It's not thing that are supposed to last failing that is the problem, it is things that are designed to throw away that makes most of the waste.
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It's not thing that are supposed to last failing that is the problem, it is things that are designed to throw away that makes most of the waste.
Which are made in... [insert Asian country here]
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It's not thing that are supposed to last failing that is the problem, it is things that are designed to throw away that makes most of the waste.
Which are made in... [insert Asian country here]
There are many plastic, packaging companies right here in the U.S. I used to work at one. It made me sick.
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There are many plastic, packaging companies right here in the U.S. I used to work at one. It made me sick.
Yes, there are companies here. But there are much more benefits from items that come from the U.S. A little more quality control, no child labor/sweat shop conditions, they are benefiting our economy.
Let me bring you an example from my experience. I've have this old soldering station made by Sears, it was made in the U.S. the thing still works to this day, while my cousin's soldering iron that he just bought from Wal-Mart (China made) the handle melted and cracked two weeks after. That is why I am ok with paying just a little more and buying stuff that is made in the U.S., because I know I am getting a little bit of more quality and I'm not supporting any sweatshop conditions overseas.
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You can't suggest that the tons and tons of polloution that we pump into the air, ground, and water is a good thing, can you?
Would'nt it be much better to have a clean earth?
No.
Yes.
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And the way to have a clean earth, OWN IT.
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Well, own it and treat it correctly.
If you own land and dump nuclear waste all over it, it ain't so good.
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I have heard way more propogand from the other side.[/b]
Neither side of the GW debate can claim to be free of propaganda. It's such a politicized debate that it has almost nixed the possibility of any real science being done.
The Natural balance of the earth is way out of wack,
Evidence? What is the "natural balance of the earth (sic)"?
Look, even if the polar ice caps don't melt, which they will if this warming trend continues,
And just as they have many other times in our planet's history...
it has been proven, its what causes the global warming that is the real problem, not the flood.
What exactly has been proven, and what is the proof?
Even if the costlines flood,
Wouldn't be the first time for that, either.
but how polluted would our air be by then.
After technology reaches a certain level, pollution drops. That's what's happening in the US and Europe. Developing countries are still increasing in their pollution. BTW, the developing countries are given a free ride in Kosovo while the US and European countries are put under strict regulations. What bullshit!
Would'nt it be much better to have a clean earth?
Not if we send half of her people into starvation in the process.
Right now there are only 6.2 billion of us. When I was a kid it was was 3.5 billlon, and this rate of growth is excelleratiing.
Not true. In fact, in developed countries, the birth rate is decreasing. Again, that's something that happens with wealth. The environmentalist nuts want to reverse that.
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There are many plastic, packaging companies right here in the U.S. I used to work at one. It made me sick.
How does throwing away plastic cause Global Warming???
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That is why I am ok with paying just a little more and buying stuff that is made in the U.S., because I know I am getting a little bit of more quality and I'm not supporting any sweatshop conditions overseas.
BTW, that whole "sweatshop" thing is bullshit as well. Rememebr all of the people complaining about the Nike "sweatshops" in Taiwan? Well, there, Nike jobs are actually coveted. It's easy work compared to the alternatives, pays more than a living wage, and people in Taiwan as a result are able to afford cars for the first time. Pretty much all of them ride bicycles now, whereas almost none of them did before.
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BTW, that whole "sweatshop" thing is bullshit as well. Rememebr all of the people complaining about the Nike "sweatshops" in Taiwan? Well, there, Nike jobs are actually coveted. It's easy work compared to the alternatives, pays more than a living wage, and people in Taiwan as a result are able to afford cars for the first time. Pretty much all of them ride bicycles now, whereas almost none of them did before.
Shane, I do not think the issue of sweatshops in other countries (mostly 3rd world) is B.S. When I was taking cultural anthropology, we watched a video in class on working conditions outside of the U.S. These videos were made with hidden cammeras by an undercover B.B.C. reporter. There were horrors shown there, children being beaten over the head, fights breaking out between other children. They also showed another child that couldn't work because he got chemical poisoning from working a "double shift." It's not just the kids too, their parents as well go through with this. There are shops where people sit there and solder PCB's all day long without masks or breaks. Let me tell you that's not a very healthy working condition. I remember when I was soldering car computer pats for my friend's dad's business, (I only did this for 5 hours a day with breaks) after a week my lungs started hurting and I felt nausiated. I bought a mask after that, and it took a week for me to get back to normal health. I cannot possibly believe that the conditionas that they work under are normal and healthy.
Also, these shops were built by their tyrannical governments without the people's permision. They showed how their farms were being buldozed while they stood and protested. Most of the companies that build over their land are from the U.S. and made deals with their governments to do whatever is necessary to get rid of the farming land. I believe that is called, globalization. Shane, those Nike jobs are "coveted" is because they have no other choice. Their original farming lands are destroyed, their economy is only holding up on these slave-like people. This is why I do not support many of these companies and choose not to buy their products. But hey... Soon we might join them if this government expansion continues.
Sorry for such a long post.
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Also, these shops were built by their tyrannical governments
There you have your answer.
Shane, those Nike jobs are "coveted" is because they have no other choice.
That isn't true. Not everyone there works for Nike. There are other jobs. Just none anywhere near as good.
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Why are we discussing this in the shrine? Isn't that some sort of desicration or something. If I were a moderator I would move this portion of the thread to the issues board, maybe something like http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=1962.0
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Its because Budda has Lindsey locked in his basement. I dont think I have seen moderation done by any of the other guys since I was on here
Where have all the Shriners gone?
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I agree Mike, Ian definately needs to get the new women in waiting up on the site...
as Manwich says, he's hoarding them
:x
I suggest all of those who are thinking of sending in pics to hold off until Ian posts the new shriners!~
:P
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He doesn't have me locked in his basement. I had no computer for two months. It's going to be a bitch trying to catch up on all this bullshit too. You fuckers talk too much. :P
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god
shes alive!
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Or maybe the gov't got a hold of her IP address, WE ARE ALL DOOMED!!!!
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btw, you're one to talk miss 1996 posts compared with my 546
547 now.
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Lindsey got a new IP address...because she got hooked up with DSL after eight loyal years serving the kingdom of AOHELL.
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Mike always believes that speaking in the third person is best.
Mike concludes this post.
Mike.
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Eat my shorts.
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Mike witnesses Lindsey attempts at boosting her post count.
Mike matches her attempts but knows he has a long way to go.
Mike wonders what he can do, Mike knows he is useless.
Mike is perplexed.
Mike concludes the post.
Mike!
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I'm not upping my post count. I haven't even seen this place in two months...I'm trying to read it all, but it's...so...boring. :P
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Mike scoffs at Lindseys attempted jibe.
Mike concludes his post.
Mike!
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Is that a banana in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
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No, it's an english cucumber.
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Hey, at least you don't have to peel them.
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Mike witnesses Lindsey attempts at boosting her post count.
Mike matches her attempts but knows he has a long way to go.
Mike wonders what he can do, Mike knows he is useless.
Mike is perplexed.
Mike concludes the post.
Mike!
Puke laughs.
Puke kills self.
Puke gurgles...
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Mike says he is not Englsh.
Mike knows that you dont care.
Mike goes and makes a cup of tea...
Mike concludes this post.
Mike!
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Well fuck me in the Ozarks, you're really on a roll! :P
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Well fuck me in the Ozarks :P
What about the White Mountains?
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The Cascades?
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I should have seen that coming.