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Re: Other must be exprincing this issue two?!
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2011, 06:24:20 PM »

I think the blacks folks in the movie are actually sharecroppers since the story is set after the Civil War. Still, I can see why some people might get antsy over the cheery disposition many of those former slaves have. But, it is Disney, where everything is bright n cheery.

There is one uncomfortable scene where the lady in charge of the plantation orders Remus to never associate with her son, and Remus doesn't have a choice other than back down and obey. Later on though, who do ya suppose is able to bring her son out of his near comatose condition? Thereby showing the kid's momma to be a fool.
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Re: Other must be exprincing this issue two?!
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2011, 11:39:30 PM »

I think theres too much discussion happening to try and mask the obvious.

I saw it perfectly the other day.

Conan O'brien goes on his tour after the Leno debacle, and winds up in Shithead, Montana.  Theres three kids outside, and nobody else.

These kids drove from five hundred miles to see him, and one has no driver's license - it's an Indian casino.

The dumb asshole one says "I'm afraid they're gonna Jew me over, and we came all this way"

Conan says that ain't cool.  He makes the kid feel about (this big).  But I'll see what I can do...  Here's Morty, he can help.  But don't say the Jew thing, he's a Jew.

The very next scene, they're in a dressing room, and he calls his assistant a Syrian witch.  (or something like that)

This is how "racism" works.

PEOPLE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE BEING A DICK ABOUT IT.

Nobody denies the existence of the words.  And they can be used with relevance.  I am guilty as hell of calling things nig,ger when they piss me off.  I've said this about three thousand times, I feel like I'm churning butter.

If you can't say shit with your brain set right, you should go look for another place to hang.

I will overlook all kinds of shit, I don't hold people to a very high bar.  Theres no reason to.  Because I can fuckin vibe it.  I don't need to consult the rulebook.  I don't give a fuck what the rules ARE.

Go back to your debate.




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Re: Other must be exprincing this issue two?!
« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2011, 08:25:33 PM »

Can't tell if that's directed towards me since we ain't on speakin terms and all.

I disagree with the following, for the most part.

"This is how "racism" works.

PEOPLE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE BEING A DICK ABOUT IT."

Many people have a hair trigger over race and are quick to jump to conclusions. Those conclusions in today's PC world are predictable, bland, and many times based on perception rather than fact. It's a sensitive issue, and probably nowhere is it more sensitive then in the US, which gives it an especially claustrophobic feel to it whenever it is discussed.

.and where's the debate? cause I want in on it.

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Re: Other must be exprincing this issue two?!
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2011, 11:36:11 AM »

Stated facts, themselves, are based on perception.  All we know is gained through perception.  Perception IS reality, for the person who perceives it.  I see parsing in the previous post.  It sorta reminds me of the idea that the person being treated poorly has no right to complain because it's "just a joke."  He should know that and be good with it, right?  Well, it's all about perception, generally, the world around us can help us find out when our perception is off.  If we're intelligent, we can learn to determine when our perception isn't what we thought.
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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2011, 05:27:06 PM »

Stated facts, themselves, are based on perception.  All we know is gained through perception.  Perception IS reality, for the person who perceives it.  I see parsing in the previous post.  It sorta reminds me of the idea that the person being treated poorly has no right to complain because it's "just a joke."  He should know that and be good with it, right?  Well, it's all about perception, generally, the world around us can help us find out when our perception is off.  If we're intelligent, we can learn to determine when our perception isn't what we thought.

You are charged with reckless obfuscation.

Facts exist regardless of perception or interpretation.

I do agree with your last sentence.
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« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2011, 02:48:47 AM »

Stated facts, themselves, are based on perception.  All we know is gained through perception.  Perception IS reality, for the person who perceives it.  I see parsing in the previous post.  It sorta reminds me of the idea that the person being treated poorly has no right to complain because it's "just a joke."  He should know that and be good with it, right?  Well, it's all about perception, generally, the world around us can help us find out when our perception is off.  If we're intelligent, we can learn to determine when our perception isn't what we thought.

You are charged with reckless obfuscation.

Facts exist regardless of perception or interpretation.

I do agree with your last sentence.

...and you're charged with being willfully obtuse.  I'm quite familiar with objectivism.  This is not about the concrete world.  This is about communication, which is why I used the term "stated facts."  I was responding to:

Many people have a hair trigger over race and are quick to jump to conclusions. Those conclusions in today's PC world are predictable, bland, and many times based on perception rather than fact.

When it comes to communication, how the listener perceives the message IS the fact.
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Re: Other must be exprincing this issue two?!
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2011, 03:17:39 AM »


I would've never put you in the position you put me in. 

I don't appreciate that. 








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Re: Other must be exprincing this issue two?!
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2011, 06:09:01 PM »

Stated facts, themselves, are based on perception.  All we know is gained through perception.  Perception IS reality, for the person who perceives it.  I see parsing in the previous post.  It sorta reminds me of the idea that the person being treated poorly has no right to complain because it's "just a joke."  He should know that and be good with it, right?  Well, it's all about perception, generally, the world around us can help us find out when our perception is off.  If we're intelligent, we can learn to determine when our perception isn't what we thought.

You are charged with reckless obfuscation.

Facts exist regardless of perception or interpretation.

I do agree with your last sentence.

...and you're charged with being willfully obtuse.  I'm quite familiar with objectivism.  This is not about the concrete world.  This is about communication, which is why I used the term "stated facts."  I was responding to:

Many people have a hair trigger over race and are quick to jump to conclusions. Those conclusions in today's PC world are predictable, bland, and many times based on perception rather than fact.

When it comes to communication, how the listener perceives the message IS the fact.

Now I get it - I think. The "stated facts" thing totally flew over my head.

I have a cold (which reminds me to bump a certain thread if it's till here) and am a little out of it.




I would've never put you in the position you put me in. 

I don't appreciate that. 

Again, I gotta assume this is for me.

My intent was the equivalent of using a pea shooter, just a bit of a jab at the board's policy, not you personally. It's the kind of good-natured bear-poking I've seen go around this board a thousand times. So I don't think I put you in any position, and I've never viewed you as a reactive sort of person anyway, so that doesn't really fit. We coulda, and shoulda, just talked about it.

It's insignificant and I don't intend on carrying any baggage around over it. As far as I'm concerned you and I will go on as before.


But I do think the situation does demand closure, and so I propose we settle this in the old tradition of a tribal dance-off, just you and me.

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