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Free Talk Live => The Rubber Room - Not Safe for Work => Topic started by: hellbilly on September 02, 2011, 08:23:48 PM
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There seems to be an error in the forum software. I would report the issue in the proper forum, but alas, all forum sections save this one seem to be broken!
Hope this gets fixed soon!!
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No. Just you.
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Surely it cannot be something with my name change, as it was decided last week or so that these words were acceptable. Rules changed since then?
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Dude...
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wat
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Yeah dude, you should bathe first.
Sex needn't be dirty, it is a beautiful thing.
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Yeah dude, you should bathe first.
Douche, even.
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Yeah dude, you should bathe first.
Douche, even.
Absolutely, dude.
I'm not passing judgement, not a'tall. I'm cool with just about anything.
But maybe the parties involved should defer to the wishes of the A) property owner, and B) those in attendance.
I don't think that's too much to expect from intelligent people. Why should everyone tippy-toe around a scatological exhibition, at the drop of a hat? How the fuck are we supposed to move the Jenga table, when Billy suddenly decides to drop trou and wallow in his own putrid feces?
The dude is clearly rabid, look at the froth just pouring out of him in buckets. Its splattered all over my velvet painting of dogs playing poker. Do you have any idea how much it costs to have a 6ft velvet sofa art drycleaned? The hair falls out. This is not any ordinary dogs playing poker. This is showdogs playing poker...
Hey! Toe was over the line, Smokey. Mark it zero.
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uhhh....
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It's weird when you have a dirty penis after sodomising someone and they notice and apologise.
What should you say?
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wtf is up with this thread? What happened to hellbilly?
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wtf is up with this thread? What happened to hellbilly?
I donno. He is the master of his own destiny.
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Mr. Brasky did indeed allude to alternate time-travelling realities being possible on the plane of existence we call the FTL BBS after he laid down his lawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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Dude, down here in the dark, will you pound my shitty ass with your rock-hard cum cannon?
Depends on who's askin.
The question was regarding forum rules. What are the forum rules regarding offensive race or bigotry based terminology? The latest filtering that I observed targeted only references to one segment of a minority group.
A quick way to find out..
Cracker
Faggot
Spic
Kyke
Nigger
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Dude, down here in the dark, will you pound my shitty ass with your rock-hard cum cannon?
Depends on who's askin.
The question was regarding forum rules. What are the forum rules regarding offensive race or bigotry based terminology? The latest filtering that I observed targeted only references to one segment of a minority group.
A quick way to find out..
Cracker
Faggot
Spic
Kyke
WHAT?
So.. I changed my name and included 4 of the 5 words on the list above. There seems to be no filtering applied to those words in regular forum use.. so what's the big deal in using them in a username?
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It's weird when you have a dirty penis after sodomising someone and they notice and apologise.
What should you say?
I think this board invented a word for that on urban dictionary.
Smelly Elliot
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and chop 'em into medium-fucked chunks.
So.. I changed my name and included 4 of the 5 words on the list above. There seems to be no filtering applied to those words in regular forum use.. so what's the big deal in using them in a username?
Because you use them not to discuss relevant issues in an intelligent manner, but to instigate conflict.
Grow up, or play the game. Either way, I don't care.
I told you, there are filters on the variants of the N word only, and others may be toggled on and off should people be especially, excessively ignorant. It doesn't matter to me if there is a bunch of shit in your post history that would be really fucking embarrassing. You've seen it in action.
In almost every case, I would not do that. Its not exactly what you say, but what you feel. Know what I mean?
Heres a quick example, for simplicity's sake. (and I hate to use Ken as an example, but...) You know how Ken gets real pissed when people start ragging on 'chinks'? Thats not gonna happen anymore. But if someone blew off some steam and had an argument with tech support, and said "The goddamn dude chink motherfucker was trying to talk me through something complicated and saying all this ching-chonk chink-babble" Because I think we've all been there, and it IS frustrating. And you have to admit, it is pretty funny.
Caveat emptor. You ar released. But you're not forgiven on a personal level. I don't forgive or forget the people who take a swipe at me.
And I'll tell ya, on a personal level, I used to like writing hard here. You can use this place right. And it was a lot of fun. Now, people are so fucking obnoxious, all they can think of saying is ignorant shit half the time, instead of having a "tell" when they're hosing you, it's not even worth it.
You can't even make a simple statement without some asshole saying "why, why, why" about every goddamn thing, you have to wonder if they're half-retarded on their mothers side.
I. Don't. Like. These. People. I like about half of their basic theories, on the basics level (although some of it is not fully-hatched, which is forgivable), and I joust with them occasionally, conversationally.
But the people themselves, they're fucking obnoxious, dude. It's revolting. Theres no reason I should share my deeper opinions and theories with them. So I kick out an extended "bonerjoe" post once in a while, and that's about it. I'll tell 'em a quality topic on a product sometimes, as a public service... But nuthin' "deep". And when someone says somethink Mongoloid, I'm obligated to take it down like Sunny Liston BOOM BOOM BOOM, just smash it to pieces.
Now, heres where you come in. Your new name after the whole nig.ger rage, was Jew Cockface Shitstain, or whatever.
Lemme ask you, is that where you really want to be? A three-week asshole instigator when two of the coolest motherfuckers who ask and ask and ask for people to be on the 99% of the line where "polite" is on an "unmoderated web forum with liberty-minded people, and the best you can come up with is "Faggot Cocksucker Chink Eskimo"? Really, dude?
Have you lost your ability to make a valid fucking statement?
Shame on you. You wanna talk words, motherfucker? You're a dick. Period. Yer. A Fuckin. Dick, and Fuck You. You don't deserve to be on a message board, or write, or talk. You should go sit in the fucking woods until your brain re-sets and you can read this place and be genuinely nice to the people you know would be straight-up right-the-fuck-on with you.
Don't talk to me til you figure that shit out for yourself, I don't wanna hear it. And if you act like a fuckin' asshole again, I'm gonna lock you in the basement again, and I don't give a fuck who likes it. Period.
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Oh, and in the last four-five lines, where it says "you're a dick", I meant to say "You're being a dick". Theres a difference. Worth mentioning.
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It's weird when you have a dirty penis after sodomising someone and they notice and apologise.
What should you say?
I think this board invented a word for that on urban dictionary.
Smelly Elliot
Elliot must be flexible.
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and chop 'em into medium-fucked chunks.
So.. I changed my name and included 4 of the 5 words on the list above. There seems to be no filtering applied to those words in regular forum use.. so what's the big deal in using them in a username?
Because you use them not to discuss relevant issues in an intelligent manner, but to instigate conflict.
Grow up, or play the game. Either way, I don't care.
I told you, there are filters on the variants of the N word only, and others may be toggled on and off should people be especially, excessively ignorant. It doesn't matter to me if there is a bunch of shit in your post history that would be really fucking embarrassing. You've seen it in action.
In almost every case, I would not do that. Its not exactly what you say, but what you feel. Know what I mean?
Heres a quick example, for simplicity's sake. (and I hate to use Ken as an example, but...) You know how Ken gets real pissed when people start ragging on 'chinks'? Thats not gonna happen anymore. But if someone blew off some steam and had an argument with tech support, and said "The goddamn dude chink motherfucker was trying to talk me through something complicated and saying all this ching-chonk chink-babble" Because I think we've all been there, and it IS frustrating. And you have to admit, it is pretty funny.
Caveat emptor. You ar released. But you're not forgiven on a personal level. I don't forgive or forget the people who take a swipe at me.
And I'll tell ya, on a personal level, I used to like writing hard here. You can use this place right. And it was a lot of fun. Now, people are so fucking obnoxious, all they can think of saying is ignorant shit half the time, instead of having a "tell" when they're hosing you, it's not even worth it.
You can't even make a simple statement without some asshole saying "why, why, why" about every goddamn thing, you have to wonder if they're half-retarded on their mothers side.
I. Don't. Like. These. People. I like about half of their basic theories, on the basics level (although some of it is not fully-hatched, which is forgivable), and I joust with them occasionally, conversationally.
But the people themselves, they're fucking obnoxious, dude. It's revolting. Theres no reason I should share my deeper opinions and theories with them. So I kick out an extended "bonerjoe" post once in a while, and that's about it. I'll tell 'em a quality topic on a product sometimes, as a public service... But nuthin' "deep". And when someone says somethink Mongoloid, I'm obligated to take it down like Sunny Liston BOOM BOOM BOOM, just smash it to pieces.
Now, heres where you come in. Your new name after the whole nig.ger rage, was Jew Cockface Shitstain, or whatever.
Lemme ask you, is that where you really want to be? A three-week asshole instigator when two of the coolest motherfuckers who ask and ask and ask for people to be on the 99% of the line where "polite" is on an "unmoderated web forum with liberty-minded people, and the best you can come up with is "Faggot Cocksucker Chink Eskimo"? Really, dude?
Have you lost your ability to make a valid fucking statement?
Shame on you. You wanna talk words, motherfucker? You're a dick. Period. Yer. A Fuckin. Dick, and Fuck You. You don't deserve to be on a message board, or write, or talk. You should go sit in the fucking woods until your brain re-sets and you can read this place and be genuinely nice to the people you know would be straight-up right-the-fuck-on with you.
Don't talk to me til you figure that shit out for yourself, I don't wanna hear it. And if you act like a fuckin' asshole again, I'm gonna lock you in the basement again, and I don't give a fuck who likes it. Period.
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It's a wild theory, but from your lengthy post, which I'm not supposed to talk to you about so I guess I'll consider this a reply straight to the ether, it seems like you and I will never share a romantic thread.
Since Ken was used as an example, maybe he can weigh in on when it's acceptable to use the word "Chink". It's mind-numbing to watch someone, especially of your character, get all amped up over The N Word and then reach so far to justify why using the word Chink is OK. With that logic, it shuold be perfectly fine for someone who's had a bad experience with a black person to refer to that person here as ...The N Word. Not complicated at all, and humorous to watch people tap-dance all around the issue but never reach a logical conclusion.
No worries - I know what I'm doing is dickish. It's entirely intentional, and it is this way because I feel that you guys are being dicks. Difference between us, as posters on a BBS, is you have access to the Ban Hammer, and that's it. While I do occasionally enjoy your lengthier posts - I don't come here to talk to you. That means I'm not concerned about whether or not I've offended you on a personal level or not. That doesn't mean I 'd go out of my way to do so, and I do not feel as if I ever have. To become overly sensitive to forum posts indicates a problem, so all the talk about forgiveness and personal offense, and especially "taking a swipe"...? I'm clueless as to what you've interpreted as being a "swipe". What I'm doing is questioning the policies on the BBS. If they aren't your policies, you're still the one to take the heat since you're the one enforcing them. And your explanation of why it's OK to use Chink but not The N Word still doesn't make sense.
Why do I say you guys are being dicks?
-Dragline. You guys closed ranks as soon as he was kicked off the board, over a personal attack on a member of the BBS. There have been personal attacks here as long as I can remember. Then the issue was swept under the rug. If personal attacks are an offense that deserves banning, maybe you're next. I declare that someone called me an asshole, a dick and they also said fuck you and for me to go sit in the woods! Gracious me.. you are certainly the Barney Fife to my Aunt Bee.
-Enforcing rules that don't make sense. It's evident that "racism" isn't the issue, it's "white oppression" that you're against. The rules of the BBS should be more clear.
Now this bit-
you can read this place and be genuinely nice to the people you know would be straight-up right-the-fuck-on with you.
Absolutely. 99% of the time I have been, and if I showed up in Keene or Porcfest or some shit I'd get along well with 99% of the people there. That's why I feel you've gone entirely overboard with whatever point you're trying to make.
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The point I'm making is, if you'd pay attention to the larger picture, this place is dying. The owner has made repeated (if seldom) comments that he would appreciate a no-bigotry policy.
There is no real way to make a rule against something so "spectral".
We, as mods have the task of acting as surrogate every-day people who would prefer not to "discipline" anybody. All we really wanna do is help a fucker out when someone dicks up their settings, by accident.
YOU, and people like you, challenge the mods, directly, by pushing the envelope "libmanesque". Trying complex run-arounds what is actually a very simple request... just be basically decent.
There is infinite shit you could do. But you choose that little .01% that will cause conflict.
That is a dick move. And you can't fucking deny it.
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-Dragline. You guys closed ranks as soon as he was kicked off the board, over a personal attack on a member of the BBS. There have been personal attacks here as long as I can remember. Then the issue was swept under the rug. If personal attacks are an offense that deserves banning, maybe you're next. I declare that someone called me an asshole, a dick and they also said fuck you and for me to go sit in the woods! Gracious me.. you are certainly the Barney Fife to my Aunt Bee.
That is incorrect. Dude had long since (Fucking years ago) earned a ban. He was tolerated.
Then he pushed past the edge of tolerance and fell. Fuck him.
Not only that, but I wrote a giant fucking email to him offering to let him back in, which never got sent because he couldn't keep his fucking trap shut and bitched and bitched and bitched and continued to attack me all over the FTL chat channel. That was two days into the ban.
So fuck him.
Cross the fuzzy gray line between "Aw shucks I wuz only joking n' stuff." and "I hate the fucking X." and you get a hammer up the asshole.
I will not clearly define the line. It is a judgement call. If you're worried about whether the thing you are about to say is too close to the fuzzy gray line, take a step back from it.
Also, YOU HAVE HAD TO OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH AND RANT EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. RACE. IS. EVER. BROUGHT. UP.
You have a chip on your shoulder about race. You don't wanna be called a racist, but you have a fucking major issue with the topic. It's swinging in the wind like a bare cock and you've never been fooling anyone about it. Check yourself.
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The point I'm making is, if you'd pay attention to the larger picture, this place is dying. The owner has made repeated (if seldom) comments that he would appreciate a no-bigotry policy.
There is no real way to make a rule against something so "spectral".
We, as mods have the task of acting as surrogate every-day people who would prefer not to "discipline" anybody. All we really wanna do is help a fucker out when someone dicks up their settings, by accident.
YOU, and people like you, challenge the mods, directly, by pushing the envelope "libmanesque". Trying complex run-arounds what is actually a very simple request... just be basically decent.
There is infinite shit you could do. But you choose that little .01% that will cause conflict.
That is a dick move. And you can't fucking deny it.
I know I'm making sense here, and I have to assume you realize that (based on your character.. or the impression I've gotten from your personality here anyway). My dickish behavior is entirely transparent. I've already admitted being a dick and given the reasons for it. There is positively nothing complex about what I'm doing.
I understand the aim to avoid having the BBS appear as a haven for bigots. I also run a BBS - but it's a far different crowd and bigotry isn't an issue. On my BBS, if I were completely dedicated to using a filter to remove unwanted racist/bigoted/hateful terms I would do so in completion, to remove all unwanted words (that's how to apply the rule spectrally). There should be no wiggle room in a No Bigotry policy, otherwise you're only committed to protecting the feelings of certain groups while leaving plenty of opportunity for others to be insulted. That's why I said previously it should be all in or nothing.
As for my recent non-contribution to the board.. having been here for years I've already spilled opinions in every corner on probably every topic. I posted a pic of my dick. Shared drawings and requested honest critiques of them. Made good connections here and have had my ideas challenged by posters I wasn't particularly fond of, which I liked. I even created a thread with the potential to be the World's Greatest Thread Effar, but for some reason no one wanted to talk about property rights during a zombie apocalypse. Now that one stung.
The bug up my ass is for the lack of receiving a satisfactory/complete response from the Mod Squad. How can you claim to be anti-bigot/racist but still allow it? Why was it OK to ban Dragline? When asked, a huge machismo rises instead of simple answers. I think that's a cover for not really having a good answer, and so my respect for you guys dies a little. I hate macho bullshit. Much prefer a balls out approach.
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-Dragline. You guys closed ranks as soon as he was kicked off the board, over a personal attack on a member of the BBS. There have been personal attacks here as long as I can remember. Then the issue was swept under the rug. If personal attacks are an offense that deserves banning, maybe you're next. I declare that someone called me an asshole, a dick and they also said fuck you and for me to go sit in the woods! Gracious me.. you are certainly the Barney Fife to my Aunt Bee.
That is incorrect. Dude had long since (Fucking years ago) earned a ban. He was tolerated.
Then he pushed past the edge of tolerance and fell. Fuck him.
Not only that, but I wrote a giant fucking email to him offering to let him back in, which never got sent because he couldn't keep his fucking trap shut and bitched and bitched and bitched and continued to attack me all over the FTL chat channel. That was two days into the ban.
So fuck him.
Cross the fuzzy gray line between "Aw shucks I wuz only joking n' stuff." and "I hate the fucking X." and you get a hammer up the asshole.
I will not clearly define the line. It is a judgement call. If you're worried about whether the thing you are about to say is too close to the fuzzy gray line, take a step back from it.
Also, YOU HAVE HAD TO OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH AND RANT EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. RACE. IS. EVER. BROUGHT. UP.
You have a chip on your shoulder about race. You don't wanna be called a racist, but you have a fucking major issue with the topic. It's swinging in the wind like a bare cock and you've never been fooling anyone about it. Check yourself.
A corrections: I have a problem about people who claim to be anti-racist/bigot but only when it applies to the feelings of one group - and that could be any group. I don't care if anyone calls me racist because I'm not. I've been called that since my first few posts on this board, and the claim has never stuck for a reason. That reason would be because I am not. Clear enough? No one on here will be any more up front than I about any racial topic & that because it's a topic I'm interested in and one that I've looked into for decades now. I enjoy the topic, fully exposed, just as I do whisky and zombies (two other of my repeated topics). Still want to consider me a racist, or publicly brand me as such? Then let's have another chat about it and you'll have another chance to learn I'm not.
I get pissed when I see otherwise intelligent people miss the point of what being against racism & bigotry really is. There's no point in trying to "fool anyone" when they do such good jobs of fooling themselves.
I've already made the point about the selective word filtering. Don't consider yourself a champion against racism while simultaneously modding a BBS that allows the words Chink, Spic & Faggot to be used. Don't think anything else needs to be said.
Enough of the macho shit already. "Check yourself." What the fuck is that supposed to mean? "Don't talk to me until yadda yadda.." geez....
Shaw... you and Brasky and myself are all about 40 fucking years old (unless I'm mistaken). What kind of emotion am I supposed to feel from a flame war on a BBS? Cause I'm not feeling any. As mods, if you guys don't like me, ban me. I don't care.
Yes, I enjoy the chatter about all sorts of shit. Yes, I like the posters here, all of them I think. Yes, I like the news. Yes, I am completely bored of the repetitive accusations and lack of intelligent discussion about them. Yes, I will find another BBS to get comfy in. For fucks sake guys, cut the macho shit already.
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The bug up my ass is for the lack of receiving a satisfactory/complete response from the Mod Squad. How can you claim to be anti-bigot/racist but still allow it? Why was it OK to ban Dragline? When asked, a huge machismo rises instead of simple answers. I think that's a cover for not really having a good answer, and so my respect for you guys dies a little. I hate macho bullshit. Much prefer a balls out approach.
This is the whole problem with the internet right there.
You can't convey tone.
1. Dude, there's no machismo going on. Stating an if/then is not machismo.
2. You want what you call a "simple answer". Your definition is to get mods to compile a list of words that are banned and then find new ones that mean the same thing and substitute. It's a fool's game to sit down and spend days compiling a list of words that are "Bad" when it isn't the words that are necessarily bad but the usage and intent.
Is cracker a baked piece of dough or a racist comment? Context.
Context requires judgement. Judgement leaves a gray area. A gray area where people love to dance around on and then get all pissed off and resentful when they haven't been warned ahead of time about specific transgressions. A gray area that is up to the judgement of a mod in this case. Here's your warning - BE CAREFUL WHEN DANCING IN THE GRAY AREA.
You want a clear answer about EXACTLY what you can say and what you can't say. Well here's the deal: You can say whatever the fuck you want, just be prepared for possible consequences.
Here's some information that may be helpful in your judgement of the gray area -
Ecolitan spent four or five days saying the exact same shit to me that Dragline did. Some of it was even worse. No ban.
You have constantly pushed the edge of the race issue. You have never been banned.
Several other users have constantly pushed the edge of the race crap. They have never been banned. Blackie comes to mind with his "Chimpin' out" thread. Blackie isn't even on the radar of being banned. I wasn't a fan of that thread and thought is was really uncool. Pretty sure that was him. Might be wrong.
This isn't about being anti bigot and yet allowing it. If some dude came onto the BBS, never attacked a specific person, and went on and on for months about how race X was genetically inferior or some shit without specific language attacking a specific person or group of people, they would probably catch a lot of hate and get attacked constantly, but would be unlikely to be banned by me.
Some asshole comes in and starts constantly linking to Stormfront or some shit with "Hey gang, what do you think of this?" fake curiosity and I click the link and it's invariably a thread about lynching black people or gassing Jews or some shit, that person will draw ire.
SO FOR THE RECORD - Even though I personally think you have a fixation on race and can't seem to stop yourself, I don't think you've ever posted anything worthy or even close to worthy of a ban. That's as close as you're gonna get to a "Simple answer".
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Enough of the macho shit already. "Check yourself." What the fuck is that supposed to mean? "Don't talk to me until yadda yadda.." geez....
Um...
Maybe I'm misusing the phrase? There was nothing about macho in my intent.
I mean that you should look at yourself in regards to your fixation on race. It was directly related to my previous sentence.
Doesn't "Check yourself" mean "Check yourself"? or am I misusing slang here?
1. check yourself
To check yourself over,to watch yourself before u get your ass whipped
"Eyyo n****,watcha back,u best be checkin yoself,now dipset outta heaa,fore i bust a cap in yo ass"
Well shit, that isn't what I meant at all. Sorry. I just meant that you should consider your motivation for constantly fixating on that subject. I dunno how many times I've thrown that phrase incorrectly. Fuck.
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I've already made the point about the selective word filtering. Don't consider yourself a champion against racism while simultaneously modding a BBS that allows the words Chink, Spic & Faggot to be used. Don't think anything else needs to be said.
I just banned two people for saying faggot in an attacky way yesterday.
betterjoboutlook and SeeStraight
BUT IT'S NOT (ALWAYS) THE WORD ITSELF THAT IS THE ISSUE.
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I've already made the point about the selective word filtering. Don't consider yourself a champion against racism while simultaneously modding a BBS that allows the words Chink, Spic & Faggot to be used. Don't think anything else needs to be said.
I just banned two people for saying faggot in an attacky way yesterday.
betterjoboutlook and SeeStraight
IT'S NOT (ALWAYS) THE WORD ITSELF THAT IS THE ISSUE.
Niggardly use of the ban-hammer. Guess it is your tar-baby.
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You like guns, therefore you are knowledgeable and enjoy participating in threads about guns.
I'm pretty fascinated by the conditioing and programming that societies submit themselves to; from marketing to mass hysteria. There is no more plainly evident example of social conditioning and mass hysteria other than the modern day form of "racism". I consider everyone who posts here, the hosts of the show, and people in the "Liberty Community" in general to be intelligent folks. Because they are intelligent I hold them to higher standards and thus I become agitated when I see them fall into familiar patterns that the "normal" social masses dive in to unquestioningly. Plus, if the Liberty folks turn out to be less intelligent than I thought... then that would prove I'm a dumbass.. so to avoid admitting that, I keep chipping away at the social programming to see if anyone here might really "get it". Thus, my repeated attraction to topics of race.
If the word "faggot" was included in the word filter then that guy wouldn't have been banned. Or he could have been my roomie here in the Rubber Room. The policies of the BBS are unclear, at best. Though I agree that the dude was simply looking for a fight.. but that can be entertaining for a dying BBS too.
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Naw the one dude got banned for this -
I totally agree. If the public schools teach Johnny that it's okay to be a homosexual, but then when he's walking home, he sees a sign, "Help Wanted, but smokers and queers need not apply." and he walks in to ask the owner why, and the owner says they don't need a bunch of queers working for them, that might be Johnny's first exposure to the truth, that there is something wrong with homosexuals. The homos and their supporters keep trying to label people as "homophobic" if they realize that there's something wrong with the queers, or even taunt the sensible people by implying that they are queers if they realize there's something wrong with being a queer.
This is especially true for hospitals. They are in the business of helping sick people get healthy. Smoking makes healthy people sick, and homosexuals are just plain sick.
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You know.. a better way to put that might be:
You have a jaded audience here. We know the score with politics, we know proper morality in the form of the NAP. We're all kin in that sense. Having new blood, especially those who approach our outlook with opposing viewpoints, is entertaining. However, simply running them off is dull - and it gives no time for them to see, and eventually succumb, to our point of view.
Magnify that a little from my perspective. There are endless misconceptions about race, slavery, prejudice & bigotry in the US. Very few people will be honest about these issues, and even fewer will be honest about them in knowledgeable & intellectual ways. That's where I come in - happy to discuss the topic of my interest.
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Naw the one dude got banned for this -
I totally agree. If the public schools teach Johnny that it's okay to be a homosexual, but then when he's walking home, he sees a sign, "Help Wanted, but smokers and queers need not apply." and he walks in to ask the owner why, and the owner says they don't need a bunch of queers working for them, that might be Johnny's first exposure to the truth, that there is something wrong with homosexuals. The homos and their supporters keep trying to label people as "homophobic" if they realize that there's something wrong with the queers, or even taunt the sensible people by implying that they are queers if they realize there's something wrong with being a queer.
This is especially true for hospitals. They are in the business of helping sick people get healthy. Smoking makes healthy people sick, and homosexuals are just plain sick.
Gotcha. Just skimmed that & probably switched "queer" and "faggot" in my head.
Still think it's funner to toy with people a little first.
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Several other users have constantly pushed the edge of the race crap. They have never been banned. Blackie comes to mind with his "Chimpin' out" thread. Blackie isn't even on the radar of being banned. I wasn't a fan of that thread and thought is was really uncool. Pretty sure that was him. Might be wrong.
Yeah, that was me. http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/chimpin'-out-in-ct/
Strangely enough, that was me poking fun of Aunt Bee a little bit. I learned the "chimpin' out" phrase from Aunt Bee. I was about to post the news story I thought "If I was Aunt Bee, what would I title this thread?"
Aunt Bee, are you really surprised that someone might think you have an issue with black people?
I wouldn't be surprised if someone thought I was antisemitic. I start a lot of Jew/Israel threads and have posted links/quotes of holocaust denier stuff. People complained about too much Jew talk, so I tried to cut it down to just one thread. With the new rules, it seems best for me not to post in that thread anymore. Meh. So what, who cares?
Yeah I musta not even read the chimpin thread. Sorry for implying motivations without cause yo. Again my bad.
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I totally missed this post the first time around.
Is cracker a baked piece of dough or a racist comment? Context.
And as for Chink, Faggot, Spic, Kyke ?
I don't expect you guys to sit around and dream up every conceivable term to filter. I think it's stupid that this avenue has even been opened. The decision to filter only The N Word and a few variations of it is plainly juvenile. It's understood that using The N Word is pretty juvenile also. My expectations were too high & I'll get over it.
You have constantly pushed the edge of the race issue. You have never been banned.
Disagree with ya, entirely. Openly discussing race isn't pushing the edge. Hate speech would. But I haven't even approached that line. If I have, give the quote.
You will win this as soon as you drop the proof that I'm a racist. You'll lose by continuing to put me on the defensive by constant accusations with nothing to back it up (at least that's how it works in an honest discussion).
Aunt Bee, are you really surprised that someone might think you have an issue with black people?
Not at all. It's the condition of the times.
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hellbilly, do you live in Tennessee?
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-Dragline. You guys closed ranks as soon as he was kicked off the board, over a personal attack on a member of the BBS. There have been personal attacks here as long as I can remember. Then the issue was swept under the rug. If personal attacks are an offense that deserves banning, maybe you're next. I declare that someone called me an asshole, a dick and they also said fuck you and for me to go sit in the woods! Gracious me.. you are certainly the Barney Fife to my Aunt Bee.
That is incorrect. Dude had long since (Fucking years ago) earned a ban. He was tolerated.
Then he pushed past the edge of tolerance and fell. Fuck him.
Not only that, but I wrote a giant fucking email to him offering to let him back in, which never got sent because he couldn't keep his fucking trap shut and bitched and bitched and bitched and continued to attack me all over the FTL chat channel. That was two days into the ban.
So fuck him.
Cross the fuzzy gray line between "Aw shucks I wuz only joking n' stuff." and "I hate the fucking X." and you get a hammer up the asshole.
I will not clearly define the line. It is a judgement call. If you're worried about whether the thing you are about to say is too close to the fuzzy gray line, take a step back from it.
Also, YOU HAVE HAD TO OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH AND RANT EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. RACE. IS. EVER. BROUGHT. UP.
You have a chip on your shoulder about race. You don't wanna be called a racist, but you have a fucking major issue with the topic. It's swinging in the wind like a bare cock and you've never been fooling anyone about it. Check yourself.
Hi John (and everyone else)....... your brother FTL/LRN chatroom moderator here.
Just wanted to add that I too just permanately banned Mr. Dragline from the chat for repeated homophobic and racist comments. He was firing off the N word in the presence of a new chatter from, wait for it.............. GHANA!!!!!!!!!! I explained to Mr. Line that racism and homophobia is completely unacceptable in the liberty movement and got rid of him.
I came to find out that he was causing problems here as well.
I told him if he disagreed with me... he was welcome to appeal to Ian, but I know for a fact Ian doesn't tolerate racist or homophobic bullshit either.
Just wanted to share!
- Brad
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You will win this as soon as you drop the proof that I'm a racist. You'll lose by continuing to put me on the defensive by constant accusations with nothing to back it up (at least that's how it works in an honest discussion).
Dude I stopped accusing you of being racist almost two years ago.
Doesn't mean I don't think you have a fixation with the topic going on.
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Hi John (and everyone else)....... your brother FTL/LRN chatroom moderator here.
Just wanted to add that I too just permanately banned Mr. Dragline from the chat for repeated homophobic and racist comments. He was firing off the N word in the presence of a new chatter from, wait for it.............. GHANA!!!!!!!!!! I explained to Mr. Line that racism and homophobia is completely unacceptable in the liberty movement and got rid of him.
I came to find out that he was causing problems here as well.
I told him if he disagreed with me... he was welcome to appeal to Ian, but I know for a fact Ian doesn't tolerate racist or homophobic bullshit either.
Just wanted to share!
- Brad
Thanks for the heads up mang.
*High Five*
Dragqueen shoulda just quit while he was ahead and he'd have been unbanned in a week or two. As soon as I heard he was posting in the chat channel I saved the email I was writing him and put it away. I still have it and maybe down the line I'll reconsider. Too bad he shit on your doorstep.
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You're most welcome.
I tried hard to explain that we want to WELCOME new people from around the world who support the ideas of liberty, not make them think we're a bunch of bigoted homophobes.
He couldn't quite grasp the idea.
Ah well.
8)
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Fred- nope, I'm in NC.
You will win this as soon as you drop the proof that I'm a racist. You'll lose by continuing to put me on the defensive by constant accusations with nothing to back it up (at least that's how it works in an honest discussion).
Dude I stopped accusing you of being racist almost two years ago.
Doesn't mean I don't think you have a fixation with the topic going on.
I say that because I really do feel like you're trying to brand me as a racist. If you aren't then I do apologize.
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I say that because I really do feel like you're trying to brand me as a racist. If you aren't then I do apologize.
I'm not trying to control other people's judgement of anything you say. You denied being a racist. I stopped calling you one.
I also responded to your PM.
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[youtube]H_yFprgXIF4[/youtube].
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I've already made the point about the selective word filtering. Don't consider yourself a champion against racism while simultaneously modding a BBS that allows the words Chink, Spic & Faggot to be used. Don't think anything else needs to be said.
I just banned two people for saying faggot in an attacky way yesterday.
betterjoboutlook and SeeStraight
IT'S NOT (ALWAYS) THE WORD ITSELF THAT IS THE ISSUE.
Niggardly use of the ban-hammer. Guess it is your tar-baby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22)
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I've already made the point about the selective word filtering. Don't consider yourself a champion against racism while simultaneously modding a BBS that allows the words Chink, Spic & Faggot to be used. Don't think anything else needs to be said.
I just banned two people for saying faggot in an attacky way yesterday.
betterjoboutlook and SeeStraight
IT'S NOT (ALWAYS) THE WORD ITSELF THAT IS THE ISSUE.
Niggardly use of the ban-hammer. Guess it is your tar-baby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22)
That's good info.
Also this: Tar Baby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_baby), linked from within the article above.
And relating to "Tar Baby" - dunno if any of you have seen the Disney movie Song of the South, which was/is banned in the US for it's supposed racist content, but it's good. Watched it with my kids and we thought it was great, and it provided an opportunity for discussion about slavery. I didn't see anything racist at all in the movie.
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Uncle Remus (From the books) was a happy slave who sits around telling stories to kids. None of the stories are racist. The framing of the narration with a "Happy" slave who speaks in slave dialect (Very specifically slave dialect, and the character is indeed a slave.) pisses off a lot of black people the same way Uncle Tom does.
I wouldn't personally say that Song of the South was a racist film, however I would definitely say that it draws up a bunch of:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications
EDIT: When I was a kid I thought Br'er Rabbit was as cool as all fuck.
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I think the blacks folks in the movie are actually sharecroppers since the story is set after the Civil War. Still, I can see why some people might get antsy over the cheery disposition many of those former slaves have. But, it is Disney, where everything is bright n cheery.
There is one uncomfortable scene where the lady in charge of the plantation orders Remus to never associate with her son, and Remus doesn't have a choice other than back down and obey. Later on though, who do ya suppose is able to bring her son out of his near comatose condition? Thereby showing the kid's momma to be a fool.
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I think theres too much discussion happening to try and mask the obvious.
I saw it perfectly the other day.
Conan O'brien goes on his tour after the Leno debacle, and winds up in Shithead, Montana. Theres three kids outside, and nobody else.
These kids drove from five hundred miles to see him, and one has no driver's license - it's an Indian casino.
The dumb asshole one says "I'm afraid they're gonna Jew me over, and we came all this way"
Conan says that ain't cool. He makes the kid feel about (this big). But I'll see what I can do... Here's Morty, he can help. But don't say the Jew thing, he's a Jew.
The very next scene, they're in a dressing room, and he calls his assistant a Syrian witch. (or something like that)
This is how "racism" works.
PEOPLE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE BEING A DICK ABOUT IT.
Nobody denies the existence of the words. And they can be used with relevance. I am guilty as hell of calling things nig,ger when they piss me off. I've said this about three thousand times, I feel like I'm churning butter.
If you can't say shit with your brain set right, you should go look for another place to hang.
I will overlook all kinds of shit, I don't hold people to a very high bar. Theres no reason to. Because I can fuckin vibe it. I don't need to consult the rulebook. I don't give a fuck what the rules ARE.
Go back to your debate.
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Can't tell if that's directed towards me since we ain't on speakin terms and all.
I disagree with the following, for the most part.
"This is how "racism" works.
PEOPLE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE BEING A DICK ABOUT IT."
Many people have a hair trigger over race and are quick to jump to conclusions. Those conclusions in today's PC world are predictable, bland, and many times based on perception rather than fact. It's a sensitive issue, and probably nowhere is it more sensitive then in the US, which gives it an especially claustrophobic feel to it whenever it is discussed.
.and where's the debate? cause I want in on it.
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Stated facts, themselves, are based on perception. All we know is gained through perception. Perception IS reality, for the person who perceives it. I see parsing in the previous post. It sorta reminds me of the idea that the person being treated poorly has no right to complain because it's "just a joke." He should know that and be good with it, right? Well, it's all about perception, generally, the world around us can help us find out when our perception is off. If we're intelligent, we can learn to determine when our perception isn't what we thought.
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Stated facts, themselves, are based on perception. All we know is gained through perception. Perception IS reality, for the person who perceives it. I see parsing in the previous post. It sorta reminds me of the idea that the person being treated poorly has no right to complain because it's "just a joke." He should know that and be good with it, right? Well, it's all about perception, generally, the world around us can help us find out when our perception is off. If we're intelligent, we can learn to determine when our perception isn't what we thought.
You are charged with reckless obfuscation.
Facts exist regardless of perception or interpretation.
I do agree with your last sentence.
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Stated facts, themselves, are based on perception. All we know is gained through perception. Perception IS reality, for the person who perceives it. I see parsing in the previous post. It sorta reminds me of the idea that the person being treated poorly has no right to complain because it's "just a joke." He should know that and be good with it, right? Well, it's all about perception, generally, the world around us can help us find out when our perception is off. If we're intelligent, we can learn to determine when our perception isn't what we thought.
You are charged with reckless obfuscation.
Facts exist regardless of perception or interpretation.
I do agree with your last sentence.
...and you're charged with being willfully obtuse. I'm quite familiar with objectivism. This is not about the concrete world. This is about communication, which is why I used the term "stated facts." I was responding to:
Many people have a hair trigger over race and are quick to jump to conclusions. Those conclusions in today's PC world are predictable, bland, and many times based on perception rather than fact.
When it comes to communication, how the listener perceives the message IS the fact.
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I would've never put you in the position you put me in.
I don't appreciate that.
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Stated facts, themselves, are based on perception. All we know is gained through perception. Perception IS reality, for the person who perceives it. I see parsing in the previous post. It sorta reminds me of the idea that the person being treated poorly has no right to complain because it's "just a joke." He should know that and be good with it, right? Well, it's all about perception, generally, the world around us can help us find out when our perception is off. If we're intelligent, we can learn to determine when our perception isn't what we thought.
You are charged with reckless obfuscation.
Facts exist regardless of perception or interpretation.
I do agree with your last sentence.
...and you're charged with being willfully obtuse. I'm quite familiar with objectivism. This is not about the concrete world. This is about communication, which is why I used the term "stated facts." I was responding to:
Many people have a hair trigger over race and are quick to jump to conclusions. Those conclusions in today's PC world are predictable, bland, and many times based on perception rather than fact.
When it comes to communication, how the listener perceives the message IS the fact.
Now I get it - I think. The "stated facts" thing totally flew over my head.
I have a cold (which reminds me to bump a certain thread if it's till here) and am a little out of it.
I would've never put you in the position you put me in.
I don't appreciate that.
Again, I gotta assume this is for me.
My intent was the equivalent of using a pea shooter, just a bit of a jab at the board's policy, not you personally. It's the kind of good-natured bear-poking I've seen go around this board a thousand times. So I don't think I put you in any position, and I've never viewed you as a reactive sort of person anyway, so that doesn't really fit. We coulda, and shoulda, just talked about it.
It's insignificant and I don't intend on carrying any baggage around over it. As far as I'm concerned you and I will go on as before.
But I do think the situation does demand closure, and so I propose we settle this in the old tradition of a tribal dance-off, just you and me.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_25l3NqCZqMY/TEPYkwOw5kI/AAAAAAAAATE/WizAF6XFr7A/s1600/maori_war_dance.jpg