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Thinkfree and Adventures in Legal Land Videos
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2007, 06:22:50 PM »

Grrr, Google's "Video Download" feature times out after a couple of megs!

Anyone know where one can download them the individualist way, via P2P?
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008, 09:31:09 PM »

Wish I had time to watch it.  Also wish I could download it to my Ipod.  Also wish I knew a way to download YouTube videos to my Ipod so I could show my ignorant friends about Ron Paul.  They all agree with his message that I bring up because everybody has an opinion about this messed up system that we live in, but they say that they'll vote for Hillary because she's cool and it'll bring Bill back into the White House for some more mischief.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 10:52:30 PM »

Wish I had time to watch it.  Also wish I could download it to my Ipod.  Also wish I knew a way to download YouTube videos to my Ipod so I could show my ignorant friends about Ron Paul.  They all agree with his message that I bring up because everybody has an opinion about this messed up system that we live in, but they say that they'll vote for Hillary because she's cool and it'll bring Bill back into the White House for some more mischief.

Check itunes. There is a Ron Paul videocast with many of the same videos that are on YouTube.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2008, 01:11:50 AM »

Cool.  Never saw that link in itunes before. thanks
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 07:50:10 PM »

Wish I had time to watch it.  Also wish I could download it to my Ipod.  Also wish I knew a way to download YouTube videos to my Ipod so I could show my ignorant friends about Ron Paul.  They all agree with his message that I bring up because everybody has an opinion about this messed up system that we live in, but they say that they'll vote for Hillary because she's cool and it'll bring Bill back into the White House for some more mischief.

Man, that attitude is rampant.  People are so scared to actually talk about the evil of government (or ethics in general) that they evade the question by doing what's socially acceptable and making jokes.  At least we're out there making libertarianism cool.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2008, 04:06:33 PM »

I find this premise very interesting also...  Check out http://www.freedom-force.org/

The Freedom Force strategy can be summarized as:
Don't fight city hall when you can BE city hall.

This could be the next logical step of what Dr. Paul is talking about.

And this video "An Idea Whose Time Has Come."  Although long explains everything.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958&q=idea+whose+time&total=662&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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Re: Thinkfree and Adventures in Legal Land Videos
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2008, 04:09:10 AM »

I find this premise very interesting also...  Check out http://www.freedom-force.org/

The Freedom Force strategy can be summarized as:
Don't fight city hall when you can BE city hall.

This could be the next logical step of what Dr. Paul is talking about.

And this video "An Idea Whose Time Has Come."  Although long explains everything.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958&q=idea+whose+time&total=662&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Sorry, but these people are in the wrong.

I'm about an hour into the video. The slogan of this group is "Those without power cannot defend freedom", eh? (Latinized, of course, for extra solemness I suppose.) Makes me wonder how Gandhi accomplished all he did without having reached for power--which is exactly what this group preaches. That we need to attain power, directly and purposefully... and then use that power to defend freedom.

From the front page of the website:

"The solution is simple. It is to take back control of the power centers of society, one-by-one, just the way they were captured in the first place. Replace the collectivists with people who have no personal agendas except to defend freedom. This will unleash the vast human potential for prosperity and happiness that can be realized only in the absence of government oppression. However, to reach that goal, it will be necessary for those who cherish freedom to do more than complain and far more than just casting a vote every few years. They must reach for power. That is the reason for the motto of Freedom Force: Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt, which is Latin for “Those without power cannot defend freedom.”"

Does this disturb anyone else as much as it does me?

Now, to be honest, if the goal was to acquire power, and then once acquired to disseminate it or destroy it (for example, become city dogcatcher, then advocate for the elimination of the position) then I'd be somewhat less skeptical. At the very least those who joined with good intentions might not have as much of a chance to become as corrupted as other power-seekers have.

But as the group stands now... nope, not interested.
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Re: Thinkfree and Adventures in Legal Land Videos
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 03:32:55 AM »

NY STATE VIOLATES PRIVACY ACT in FORCING PEOPLE
TO DISCLOSE THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER

By Ilya Zlobin
A fellow Truth seeker.
www.IlyaZlobin.com www.JanusNumismatics.com

I have been reading up a lot about truth. The truth is, it is all a game, where you can wear different hats. When you go in your car, you feel like you should wear the "driver" hat, having brought your  DRIVERS LICENSE.

The whole original idea behind drivers licenses was exactly what it means, legally

Definition is key:

DRIVER. One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other vehicle, with horses, mules, or other animals, or a bicycle, tricycle, or motor car, though not a street railroad car.

LICENSE. In the law of contracts. A permission, accorded by a competent authority, conferring the right to do some act which without such authorization would be illegal, or would be a trespass or a tort. Also the written evidence of such a permission.

Would you want your cab DRIVER to be driving drunk, without any proof he can operate that vehicle?

By it's legal definition, it seems reasonable that someone using the public road for driving passengers .  Should pay for the public good and get a ticket, which goes towards the public good. Do you have any problems with that?

So you are already guilty, because doing this for money, you can't detract from the public's safety, so you have to know the rules and follow them.

Have you read the Traffic Law ?

What does Vehicle Traffic Law have anything to do with traveling. What we have is people not knowing the definition of words due to the government schools. Of course, we have been trained like cattle to remember our SS Numbers.

The government bureaucracy has gone corrupt. They are purposely keeping people from true peace and freedom. That is why they got Spitzer. He proposed on justly allowing documented  aliens to get the NON-DRIVER IDENTIFICATION CARD. They would still have to go through a 6 point identity check system.

So, I am finally fed up, and I decided to get an IDENTIFICATION CARD. I went over there, and filled out the appropriate application
www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms/mv44.pdf

I checked off the box that says "ID Card" and filled out
LAST, FIRST
DATE, SEX, CITY, STATE, CODE
 
And filled out the CERTIFICATION FIELD, where it said to fill in NAME and wanted to submit it, without signing it, for clarification. The clerk woman called her manager by the name of Mr. Weiss.

By that point in time two plain clothes officers were to the left of me. I spoke to them nicely and greeted them. The one closer to me flashed something that I could not clearly recognize. I asked for his business card and this supervisor's name Mr. Weiss'.  The officer told me his name was Mr. ZOLLI and he told me that his badge was #1234. I informed him that I did not understand something and could not sign something that I did not understand. I told Mr. Weiss that I did not know I needed a SS number. He told me that it was the law.

I informed him that I did not read this Vehicle and Traffic law, and I did not know how it applied to me getting an identification card. I offered my US Passport and other necessary documents. They refused to service me until I signed it.

The back of that contract under title of

CERTIFICATION

I state that the information I have given on this application is true to the best of my knowledge. If I am applying for a replacement license, I certify that I am the holder of a valid New York State driver license that is not now suspended or revoked, and that this license has been lost, mutilated or destroyed. If I am applying for a replacement non-driver ID card, I certify that I am the holder of a valid New York State non-driver ID card and that this non-driver ID card has been lost, mutilated or destroyed. If the lost license or non-driver ID card is found after I receive the replacement license or non-driver ID card, I will
turn in the original to the NYS Department of Motor Vehicles. If I am exchanging my out-of-state license for a NYS license, I certify that I was a permanent resident of the state or province in which my license was issued at the time the license was issued, that I have been licensed for AT LEAST 6 MONTHS, and that I have not failed a road test for a New York State driver license in the past 12 months. I understand that the waiver of the written and road tests is at the discretion of the Commissioner of Motor Vehicles. If I am a male at least 18 but less than 26 years of age, I consent to be registered with the Selective Service System (SSS), if so required by federal law. I authorize the Commissioner to forward to the SSS my personal information that is required for registration. If I am using a credit card for payment of any fees in connection with this application, I understand that my signature below also authorizes use of my credit card.

I told him that I did not want to apply for a government job, that I just wanted an ID Card. I also told him that I was against the War and did not want to register for Selective Service System.

As soon as I got all what I wanted, I was instructed to leave by officer ZOLLI, which I kindly agreed to, as I got all that I needed. Only later I realized, that this guy gave me a fake badge number obviously, which I did notice at first.

The DMV policies force people that are permanent residents, or citizens from being able to have proper identification. This is in clear violation of the Privacy Act of 1974, here's how:

According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, "must" means '"to be obliged to". It's synonym is may.

• You must provide your SSN. Authority to collect your SSN is granted by Sections 490.3 and 502 of the
Vehicle and Traffic Law. The information will be used only for exchange with other jurisdictions, to assist in verification of identity, and to invoke driver license sanctions pursuant to V&T Law Section 510(4-e). Your number will not be given to the public, or appear on any form or information request.

§ 490 3. "In addition, the commissioner also shall require that an  applicant  for
  an  identification  card  or  renewal  thereof provide his or her social
  security number."

§ 502.  Requirements  for  licensing.  1.  "In addition, the commissioner also shall
  require that the applicant provide his or her social security number."
   6. Renewal of license. (a) A license issued  pursuant  to  subdivision
  five  of this section shall be valid until the expiration date contained
  thereon, unless such license is suspended, revoked  or  cancelled.  Such
  license  may be renewed by submission of an application for renewal, the
  fee prescribed by law, proofs of prior licensing, fitness and acceptable
  vision prescribed by the commissioner, the applicant's  social  security
  number,  and  if  required  by  the  commissioner  a  photo image of the
  applicant in such numbers and form as the commissioner shall  prescribe.

shall v. 1) an imperative command as in "you shall not kill." 2) in some statutes, "shall" is a direction but does not mean mandatory, depending on the context.
Pasted from <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/shall>

In response to growing concerns over the accumulation of massive amounts of personal information, Congress passed the Privacy Act of 1974. Among other things, this Act makes it unlawful for a governmental agency to deny a right, benefit, or privilege merely because the individual refuses to disclose his SSN.
   
Section 7 of the Privacy Act further provides that any agency requesting an individual to disclose his SSN must "inform that individual whether that disclosure is mandatory or voluntary, by what statutory authority such number is solicited, and what uses will be made of it."

MANDATORY. Containing a command; perceptive; imperative; peremptory. A provision in a statue is mandatory when disobedience to it will make the act done under the statute absolutely void; if the provision  is such that disregard of it will constitute an irregularity, but one not necessarily fatal, it is said to be directory. SO, the mandatory part of a writ is that which commands the person to do the act specified.  Black's Law Dictionary 2nd Edition

VOLUNTARY.
Free; without compulsion or solicitation.
Without consideration; without valuable consideration; gratuitous.
-Voluntary courtesy.
A voluntary act of kindness; an act of kindness performed by one man towards another, of the free will and inclination of the doer, without any previous request or promise of reward made by him who is the object of the courtesy; from which the law wl not imply a promise of renumeration. Holthouse.
- Voluntary ignorance. 
This exists where a party might, by taking reasonable pains, have acquired the necessary knowledge, but has neglected to do so.
 
As to voluntary "Answer," "Assignment," "Bankruptcy," "Confession," "Conveyence,""Deposit," "Escape," "Jurisdiction," "Manslaughter," "Nonsuit," "Oath," "Payment," "Redemption," "Sale," "Settlement," "Trust," and "Waste," see those titles.
Black's Law Dictionary 2nd Edition

To Whom the Act Applies
The Privacy Act, unlike the Freedom of Information Act, only covers U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Thus, only a citizen or permanent resident can sue under the Privacy Act.
In addition, the Act applies only to certain federal government agencies (except for Section 7 of the Act, which places limits on the Social Security Number that apply to federal, state, and local governments). Aside from Section 7, state and local governments are not covered by the Privacy Act, though individual states may have their own laws regarding record keeping on individuals. 

Pasted from <http://epic.org/privacy/1974act/default.html>
NY STATE VIOLATES PRIVACY ACT in FORCING PEOPLE
TO DISCLOSE THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER

By Ilya Zlobin
A fellow Truth seeker.
www.IlyaZlobin.com www.JanusNumismatics.com

I have been reading up a lot about truth. The truth is, it is all a game, where you can wear different hats. When you go in your car, you feel like you should wear the "driver" hat, having brought your  DRIVERS LICENSE.

The whole original idea behind drivers licenses was exactly what it means, legally

Definition is key:

DRIVER. One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other vehicle, with horses, mules, or other animals, or a bicycle, tricycle, or motor car, though not a street railroad car.

LICENSE. In the law of contracts. A permission, accorded by a competent authority, conferring the right to do some act which without such authorization would be illegal, or would be a trespass or a tort. Also the written evidence of such a permission.

Would you want your cab DRIVER to be driving drunk, without any proof he can operate that vehicle?

By it's legal definition, it seems reasonable that someone using the public road for driving passengers .  Should pay for the public good and get a ticket, which goes towards the public good. Do you have any problems with that?

So you are already guilty, because doing this for money, you can't detract from the public's safety, so you have to know the rules and follow them.

Have you read the Traffic Law ?

What does Vehicle Traffic Law have anything to do with traveling. What we have is people not knowing the definition of words due to the government schools. Of course, we have been trained like cattle to remember our SS Numbers.

The government bureaucracy has gone corrupt. They are purposely keeping people from true peace and freedom. That is why they got Spitzer. He proposed on justly allowing documented  aliens to get the NON-DRIVER IDENTIFICATION CARD. They would still have to go through a 6 point identity check system.

So, I am finally fed up, and I decided to get an IDENTIFICATION CARD. I went over there, and filled out the appropriate application
www.nydmv.state.ny.us/forms/mv44.pdf

I checked off the box that says "ID Card" and filled out
LAST, FIRST
DATE, SEX, CITY, STATE, CODE
 
And filled out the CERTIFICATION FIELD, where it said to fill in NAME and wanted to submit it, without signing it, for clarification. The clerk woman called her manager by the name of Mr. Weiss.

By that point in time two plain clothes officers were to the left of me. I spoke to them nicely and greeted them. The one closer to me flashed something that I could not clearly recognize. I asked for his business card and this supervisor's name Mr. Weiss'.  The officer told me his name was Mr. ZOLLI and he told me that his badge was #1234. I informed him that I did not understand something and could not sign something that I did not understand. I told Mr. Weiss that I did not know I needed a SS number. He told me that it was the law.

I informed him that I did not read this Vehicle and Traffic law, and I did not know how it applied to me getting an identification card. I offered my US Passport and other necessary documents. They refused to service me until I signed it.

The back of that contract under title of

CERTIFICATION

I state that the information I have given on this application is true to the best of my knowledge. If I am applying for a replacement license, I certify that I am the holder of a valid New York State driver license that is not now suspended or revoked, and that this license has been lost, mutilated or destroyed. If I am applying for a replacement non-driver ID card, I certify that I am the holder of a valid New York State non-driver ID card and that this non-driver ID card has been lost, mutilated or destroyed. If the lost license or non-driver ID card is found after I receive the replacement license or non-driver ID card, I will
turn in the original to the NYS Department of Motor Vehicles. If I am exchanging my out-of-state license for a NYS license, I certify that I was a permanent resident of the state or province in which my license was issued at the time the license was issued, that I have been licensed for AT LEAST 6 MONTHS, and that I have not failed a road test for a New York State driver license in the past 12 months. I understand that the waiver of the written and road tests is at the discretion of the Commissioner of Motor Vehicles. If I am a male at least 18 but less than 26 years of age, I consent to be registered with the Selective Service System (SSS), if so required by federal law. I authorize the Commissioner to forward to the SSS my personal information that is required for registration. If I am using a credit card for payment of any fees in connection with this application, I understand that my signature below also authorizes use of my credit card.

I told him that I did not want to apply for a government job, that I just wanted an ID Card. I also told him that I was against the War and did not want to register for Selective Service System.

As soon as I got all what I wanted, I was instructed to leave by officer ZOLLI, which I kindly agreed to, as I got all that I needed. Only later I realized, that this guy gave me a fake badge number obviously, which I did notice at first.

The DMV policies force people that are permanent residents, or citizens from being able to have proper identification. This is in clear violation of the Privacy Act of 1974, here's how:

According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, "must" means '"to be obliged to". It's synonym is may.

• You must provide your SSN. Authority to collect your SSN is granted by Sections 490.3 and 502 of the
Vehicle and Traffic Law. The information will be used only for exchange with other jurisdictions, to assist in verification of identity, and to invoke driver license sanctions pursuant to V&T Law Section 510(4-e). Your number will not be given to the public, or appear on any form or information request.

§ 490 3. "In addition, the commissioner also shall require that an  applicant  for
  an  identification  card  or  renewal  thereof provide his or her social
  security number."

§ 502.  Requirements  for  licensing.  1.  "In addition, the commissioner also shall
  require that the applicant provide his or her social security number."
   6. Renewal of license. (a) A license issued  pursuant  to  subdivision
  five  of this section shall be valid until the expiration date contained
  thereon, unless such license is suspended, revoked  or  cancelled.  Such
  license  may be renewed by submission of an application for renewal, the
  fee prescribed by law, proofs of prior licensing, fitness and acceptable
  vision prescribed by the commissioner, the applicant's  social  security
  number,  and  if  required  by  the  commissioner  a  photo image of the
  applicant in such numbers and form as the commissioner shall  prescribe.

shall v. 1) an imperative command as in "you shall not kill." 2) in some statutes, "shall" is a direction but does not mean mandatory, depending on the context.
Pasted from <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/shall>

In response to growing concerns over the accumulation of massive amounts of personal information, Congress passed the Privacy Act of 1974. Among other things, this Act makes it unlawful for a governmental agency to deny a right, benefit, or privilege merely because the individual refuses to disclose his SSN.
   
Section 7 of the Privacy Act further provides that any agency requesting an individual to disclose his SSN must "inform that individual whether that disclosure is mandatory or voluntary, by what statutory authority such number is solicited, and what uses will be made of it."

MANDATORY. Containing a command; perceptive; imperative; peremptory. A provision in a statue is mandatory when disobedience to it will make the act done under the statute absolutely void; if the provision  is such that disregard of it will constitute an irregularity, but one not necessarily fatal, it is said to be directory. SO, the mandatory part of a writ is that which commands the person to do the act specified.  Black's Law Dictionary 2nd Edition

VOLUNTARY.
Free; without compulsion or solicitation.
Without consideration; without valuable consideration; gratuitous.
-Voluntary courtesy.
A voluntary act of kindness; an act of kindness performed by one man towards another, of the free will and inclination of the doer, without any previous request or promise of reward made by him who is the object of the courtesy; from which the law wl not imply a promise of renumeration. Holthouse.
- Voluntary ignorance. 
This exists where a party might, by taking reasonable pains, have acquired the necessary knowledge, but has neglected to do so.
 
As to voluntary "Answer," "Assignment," "Bankruptcy," "Confession," "Conveyence,""Deposit," "Escape," "Jurisdiction," "Manslaughter," "Nonsuit," "Oath," "Payment," "Redemption," "Sale," "Settlement," "Trust," and "Waste," see those titles.
Black's Law Dictionary 2nd Edition

To Whom the Act Applies
The Privacy Act, unlike the Freedom of Information Act, only covers U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Thus, only a citizen or permanent resident can sue under the Privacy Act.
In addition, the Act applies only to certain federal government agencies (except for Section 7 of the Act, which places limits on the Social Security Number that apply to federal, state, and local governments). Aside from Section 7, state and local governments are not covered by the Privacy Act, though individual states may have their own laws regarding record keeping on individuals. 

Pasted from <http://epic.org/privacy/1974act/default.html>


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Re: Thinkfree and Adventures in Legal Land Videos
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 06:51:46 AM »

Quit it.

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Re: Thinkfree and Adventures in Legal Land Videos
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2008, 03:39:42 AM »

NEW!  The Magnificent Deception Part 1 & 2

Very interesting...

I AM SOOOOO HAPPY THAT PEOPLE HERE ARE FAMILIAR WITH MARC STEVENS!  HE IS WONDERFUL! 

I used Marc Stevens' ideas in court without knowing the proper terms for them, a few months ago!  I wish I had read "Adventures in Legal Land" before then (I had the cop on the ropes, when I should have been asking her "Is this ticket a "cause of action" against me?")!  ..."A.I.L.L." is a wonderful book!

...It works too!  (along with the info here: http://www.fija.org )  ALSO: Use "voir dire" to your advantage every time you are accused of violating a bullshit "victimless crime" law.  Come prepared with thousands of questions.  ...They will likely throw out your ticket case if you know how to force them to talk about uncomfortable subjects.

So beautiful!  Using our brains to beat their aggression!

In addition to that, I hope you will all financially contribute to my pet project, which places libertarians on the ballot vastly more CHEAPLY and vastly more COMPLETELY than the national Libertarian Party does.  http://www.freedomballotaccess.org

Since I will be doing the work myself, I can be held directly accountable for showing you the results of the work, or you can just check http://www.freedomballotaccess.org every couple of weeks and later (when we are in full gear) once every week...  We have a bi-monthly update on our numbers for the moment.  FBA is transparent, and fully-accountable, for the signatures we collect.

The National LP currently collects signatures at around $6.00-$9.00 per signature (more with Sean Haugh's salary included in the average, and more if you subtract the validity of the states that they FAILED in, this year).  We collect signatures at no more than $4.50 per valid signature, and that's if we have to bring in outside help.  Our costs will more realistically be around $3.50 per valid signature (including padding for less than perfect validity, the zero-percent fundraising commission I am "charging", and the lack of official expense-reimbursement, as well as the low-per-signature cost).

And keep in mind that this is for 2010 and 2012 concurrently, and that we will place all third parties on the ballot in each state, since it's possible that anti-freedom parties can still run fairly pro-freedom candidates (who can be forced to change their minds on issues, given public outcry).   See: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills

...We do not put anti-freedom initiatives on the ballot.

Sincerely,

Jake Witmer
907-250-5503
jcwitmer@hotmail.com


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Re: Thinkfree and Adventures in Legal Land Videos
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2008, 06:16:17 AM »

NEW!  The Magnificent Deception Part 1 & 2

Very interesting...

I AM SOOOOO HAPPY THAT PEOPLE HERE ARE FAMILIAR WITH MARC STEVENS!  HE IS WONDERFUL! 

I used Marc Stevens' ideas in court without knowing the proper terms for them, a few months ago!  I wish I had read "Adventures in Legal Land" before then (I had the cop on the ropes, when I should have been asking her "Is this ticket a "cause of action" against me?")!  ..."A.I.L.L." is a wonderful book!

...It works too!  (along with the info here: http://www.fija.org )  ALSO: Use "voir dire" to your advantage every time you are accused of violating a bullshit "victimless crime" law.  Come prepared with thousands of questions.  ...They will likely throw out your ticket case if you know how to force them to talk about uncomfortable subjects.

So beautiful!  Using our brains to beat their aggression!

In addition to that, I hope you will all financially contribute to my pet project, which places libertarians on the ballot vastly more CHEAPLY and vastly more COMPLETELY than the national Libertarian Party does.  http://www.freedomballotaccess.org

Since I will be doing the work myself, I can be held directly accountable for showing you the results of the work, or you can just check http://www.freedomballotaccess.org every couple of weeks and later (when we are in full gear) once every week...  We have a bi-monthly update on our numbers for the moment.  FBA is transparent, and fully-accountable, for the signatures we collect.

The National LP currently collects signatures at around $6.00-$9.00 per signature (more with Sean Haugh's salary included in the average, and more if you subtract the validity of the states that they FAILED in, this year).  We collect signatures at no more than $4.50 per valid signature, and that's if we have to bring in outside help.  Our costs will more realistically be around $3.50 per valid signature (including padding for less than perfect validity, the zero-percent fundraising commission I am "charging", and the lack of official expense-reimbursement, as well as the low-per-signature cost).

And keep in mind that this is for 2010 and 2012 concurrently, and that we will place all third parties on the ballot in each state, since it's possible that anti-freedom parties can still run fairly pro-freedom candidates (who can be forced to change their minds on issues, given public outcry).   See: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills

...We do not put anti-freedom initiatives on the ballot.

Sincerely,

Jake Witmer
907-250-5503
jcwitmer@hotmail.com


or, as an alternative, people might utilize their time and resources to promote Freedom and Liberty Movement books, videos, websites, and links...

since it doesn't really matter who is on the ballots...

when it's really who COUNTS and POSSESSES those ballots...that's critical...

I also like the pirate radio and the geo-caching concepts as well...
(http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=23731.msg433954#msg433954)


If everyone who "worked" "ballot access" would...instead...hand out...say...a card with the world's real smallest political quiz on it...or Marc's URL...or Marc's book...and/or the Fully Informed Jury Association information...

then...

instead of perpetuating the myth of voting...

a person would then be promoting the only correct and PMNAP way of peaceful human interaction through unanimous consent full disclosure voluntary mutual contracting...
(PMNAP for the uninitiated...do we have those here?....Philosophically Mature Non-Aggression Principle)


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Jake_Witmer

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Re: Thinkfree and Adventures in Legal Land Videos
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2008, 07:10:16 AM »



If everyone who "worked" "ballot access" would...instead...hand out...say...a card with the world's real smallest political quiz on it...or Marc's URL...or Marc's book...and/or the Fully Informed Jury Association information...
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instead of perpetuating the myth of voting...

a person would then be promoting the only correct and PMNAP way of peaceful human interaction through unanimous consent full disclosure voluntary mutual contracting...
(PMNAP for the uninitiated...do we have those here?....Philosophically Mature Non-Aggression Principle)

Well, that's what I'm doing, because the market has created a need for that.  The market can either pay people like Sean Haugh to charge usurious rates for ballot access, and fuck it all up (like they did in 2008, in CT, WV, Maine, NH, MA, and OK), or they can demand my higher quality product, that also puts FIJA information into the hands of every signer, and takes the time necessary to explain it to them if they have questions.

I must also say this: people who criticize other people's efforts as being "immature" without offering a reasoned argument as to why it's "immature" are inviting criticism of their own efforts, and pointless division in the ranks.  Moreover, elections seem really weak until they're completely taken away: and then you get an education in real bloodshed and tyranny.

See: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills

Don't think it can't get worse.  It can.  For those in doubt, I recommend reading "The Ominous Parallels" by Leonard Peikoff.  I also recommend rereading "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", and thinking about what you might do in such a situation.  A friend of mine spent some time strapped to a metal table and force-fed dangerous pschoactive drugs as a teenager, in a youth-deprogramming center.  Why?  He had a rifle rack on his truck in Fairbanks, AK, and he openly drove around with "an assault rifle" hanging from it (their bullshit term, not mine).

Yes, I understand the non-aggression principle.  And yes, I also live in an imperfect "bricks and mortar" (and maybe "atoms and nano-bots") world.  Nothing possible is off-limits, and if you come up with better ways to actually decentralize power, then I'm all ears.

If you simply want to piss on other people's efforts though, you might want to rethink whether you'd be better off without them.  ...You might get your wish, and wake up in a world that one less libertarian doing something constructive.

Keep in mind that if my idea fails, Scott Kohlhaas and Sean Haugh will still collect signatures to place the libertarians on the ballot, but they will charge around $6-$9 per signature to gain ballot access, and when the candidates get on the ballot, they will get on at the last minute, with no time to campaign, as "independents", not "Libertarians", and they will be overwhelmed in the two months they have to campaign.  Also, the kind of candidates that are attracted to such a "suicide mission" are not high-caliber and able to reach a lot of people with the message, because it seems futile to them to run for two months, with no access to the major media.

Lack of media can be overcome with 4 years of time.

Your choice, people, effective activism, or the same old ineffective activism and complaining.  I've spoken with more people than all of you, face to face.  I've successfully created far more libertarians that any online bull session has.  I just set up a Libertarian Club at UA in Tuscaloosa, that is going through the steps of getting chartered with the university, that will do even more than my other student groups.

Does every libertarian need to agree with me?

NO.

...But it would be nice to see some support (even if it's only words) instead of a bunch of disgruntled pooh-poohing of friendly ideas.  It's not just me.  The girl who was asking about a libertarian movement in the UK was also hooted down in similar uncouth manner. 

Which is OK, ...if nobody ever wants the libertarian movement to be taken seriously, since it simply shows that we can't cooperate even with the people who agree with us.

-Jake Witmer
907-250-5503
jcwitmer@hotmail.com
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Re: Thinkfree and Adventures in Legal Land Videos
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2008, 08:20:41 AM »



If everyone who "worked" "ballot access" would...instead...hand out...say...a card with the world's real smallest political quiz on it...or Marc's URL...or Marc's book...and/or the Fully Informed Jury Association information...
...

instead of perpetuating the myth of voting...

a person would then be promoting the only correct and PMNAP way of peaceful human interaction through unanimous consent full disclosure voluntary mutual contracting...
(PMNAP for the uninitiated...do we have those here?....Philosophically Mature Non-Aggression Principle)

that also puts FIJA information into the hands of every signer, and takes the time necessary to explain it to them if they have questions.

good work there!

I must also say this: people who criticize other people's efforts as being "immature" without offering a reasoned argument as to why it's "immature" are inviting criticism of their own efforts, and pointless division in the ranks.  Moreover, elections seem really weak until they're completely taken away: and then you get an education in real bloodshed and tyranny.

efforts to continue to further the myth of voting are, in fact, immature philosophically.  Those who don't understand the full maturity within the Non-Aggression Principle are still on the path towards that end.  No argument is necessary, needed, or required.  Those who are curious, concerned enough, and/or interested will be much better served by their own research into fullness...than by just one person's meager attempts.

and it isn't pointless division in the ranks at all...unfortunately it is necessary to re-engage even the Freedom and Liberty Movement's cognitive philosophical engine...
you are currently offering proof of that with your posts and, incidentally, assisting me in providing a sounding board where others can see their own misconceptions through other people's eyes.

Don't think it can't get worse.  It can.

Oh it will, you can rest assured it will.  One has only to look at the world around them to see the potential for incredible peace and joy...and incredible terror and horror...

Yes, I understand the non-aggression principle.  And yes, I also live in an imperfect "bricks and mortar" (and maybe "atoms and nano-bots") world.  Nothing possible is off-limits, and if you come up with better ways to actually decentralize power, then I'm all ears.

voting always moves TOWARDS a centralization of power...not away from it...unless, of course it's of the unanimous consent version that only applies to the signatories...

If you simply want to piss on other people's efforts though, you might want to rethink whether you'd be better off without them.  ...You might get your wish, and wake up in a world that one less libertarian doing something constructive.

what...you mean better off without the voters...I think many would enjoy a world without the Mobocracy Looter Minions always "voting" some loot and some supposed "authority" or "jurisdiction" over other Individual Sovereign Human Beings...My family, and my children, and my grandchildren can ALL live without the looters...

Keep in mind that if my idea fails, Scott Kohlhaas and Sean Haugh will still collect signatures to place the libertarians on the ballot, but they will charge around $6-$9 per signature to gain ballot access, and when the candidates get on the ballot, they will get on at the last minute, with no time to campaign, as "independents", not "Libertarians", and they will be overwhelmed in the two months they have to campaign.  Also, the kind of candidates that are attracted to such a "suicide mission" are not high-caliber and able to reach a lot of people with the message, because it seems futile to them to run for two months, with no access to the major media.

there's a sucker born every minute...go figure...

Lack of media can be overcome with 4 years of time.

we don't have four years...anymore...look around you...what do you see...do you think the dollar, the economy, and Amerika can "hold out" for four more years...and if it does...what is it going to look like then...again, we don't have four years...we might not even "see" the election this year...martial law equals no election...

I've spoken with more people than all of you, face to face.  I've successfully created far more libertarians that any online bull session has.

since you don't know all the rest of "us"...you must be pretty young, dumb, and full of cum...to let such crap blow out of your hole...especially given that just one of the people reading this post has sixty years on you...says you're one of them there whippersnappers...lol...

you don't "create" anyone...you respect them and you tell THEM exactly where YOU stand...then their actions tell the story after that...

the way I see it...you might want to rethink your previous post...and your previous faulty premise of "knowing everyone" and "knowing" what they have done...

Does every libertarian need to agree with me?
NO.

and that matters why...what about the miniarchists...what about the anarchists...what about all those who have passed through the libertarian label and moved on in their philosophical maturity as students and advocates of the philosophically mature non-aggression principle...

...But it would be nice to see some support (even if it's only words) instead of a bunch of disgruntled pooh-poohing of friendly ideas.  It's not just me.  The girl who was asking about a libertarian movement in the UK was also hooted down in similar uncouth manner. 

Which is OK, ...if nobody ever wants the libertarian movement to be taken seriously, since it simply shows that we can't cooperate even with the people who agree with us.

again...I say...you don't "create" anyone...you respect them and you tell THEM exactly where YOU stand...then their actions tell the story after that...
you see, others hopefully will "come to terms" with their own immaturity and hopefully they do that before they commit aggression/force/fraud and are repelled, destroyed, and eliminated...hopefully they will progress to maturity quickly so we can all enjoy some peace and prosperity...

and Jake...if voting really mattered...it would be illegal...

"you're not going to vote in Liberty and shove Freedom down MY throat"...
(funny how many times you'll hear that sort of statement from someone philosophically immature)

-Jake Witmer
907-250-5503
jcwitmer@hotmail.com

oh, and one more thing Jake...bots pick those un-cryptic phone numbers and email addresses quite readily and the spam and automated phone solicitations are terrible once that happens...take it from someone with prior experience...for what that's worth...lol...

enjoy!

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