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« on: July 12, 2009, 12:19:37 PM »
A version of the Molyneux vs. Badnarik debate of anarchy vs. minarchy is online for those of you who've been waiting like I have.  The sound is kind of bad but it's listenable if you're tolerant.  I feel sorry for Michael Badnarik as he didn't seem to be aware of what he was actually going to be debating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae88LDbQPgw

UPDATE: As noted below, the video was removed, but Stefan uploaded the audio which you can get from http://www.fdrurl.com/phillyaudio
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2009, 03:43:14 PM »
Why would anybody want to hear the two of them arguing?
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2009, 04:34:45 PM »
Sound is kind of bad?? I don't hear anything.

Also, I'd rather hear those two debate than hear Obama speak. I have a certain favoritism going on with Badnarik. He was the gateway to my present form of thinking.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2009, 08:38:21 PM »

It has been removed.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2009, 08:47:23 PM »
Aww, I wanted to finish watching it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 09:35:32 PM »
Crap, it's been removed already. I was wanting to watch it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2009, 11:48:36 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 11:57:07 PM »
I've never actually heard Badnarik speak. Back when he was the big thing in Libertarian circles, I was a neocon who thought libertarians were just liberals who liked Milton Friedman. This will be interesting, as I'm sure I'll agree with Molyneux, but I really don't like him personally.
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 05:40:09 AM »
Great, yet another "regular cars vs flying cars" debate ...

Minarchist politics are useful today.  AnCap is a long-term ivory-tower vision.  The former eventually leads to the latter.  I'm a big fan of both.
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 12:36:54 PM »
Quote from: MacFall on July 27, 2009, 11:57:07 PM
...I'm sure I'll agree with Molyneux, but I really don't like him personally.

It's hard sometimes to remember that someone can be obnoxious, and still be right on a particular subject.

My favorite Molyneux quote so far, "You can read all the diet books in the world, but some day you have to put down the Twinkie."

This really sums up the minarchist vs. anarchist argument. It's fine to talk about how much better voluntary interaction is, but it's just talk until or unless coercion is finally dropped as a legitimate means of personal interaction.
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-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2009, 07:36:34 PM »
Yaay, yet another debate comparing today to tomorrow!

Next up: what is better, Toyota built in 2005 vs Toyota built in 2050?

The first one can be bought today!  The second one flies!  How do we choose?!
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2009, 05:14:02 PM »
Quote from: Alex Libman  (Jewish Edition) on August 31, 2009, 07:36:34 PM
The first one can be bought today!  The second one flies!  How do we choose?!

So, Libman J.E., where's the principled minarchy that you say "can be bought today"?

That's one major fault of the minarchists. They talk like minarchy is more practicable than a completely voluntary society, but are just as completely unable to produce one as the voluntaryists.

What puts voluntary interaction ahead is, in my opinion, the ability to create entirely voluntary interactions TODAY. Like this web site for instance, or Free Talk Live, the Free State Project, the Rotarians, etc etc etc.

Today. Not tomorrow.
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"I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be that I live not to weep over it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 01:15:06 AM »
Minarchy isn't principled, it's pragmatic.  Bob Barr is better than McBama.  Ron Paul is better than Bob Barr.  Mary Ruwart is better than Ron Paul.  Etc.  Supporting the lesser evil is what minarchy is all about.
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 07:45:27 PM »
Quote from: Alex  Libman on September 02, 2009, 01:15:06 AM
Supporting the lesser evil is what minarchy is all about.

I have yet to see a rational argument for supporting evil.
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"I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776 to acquire self-government and happiness to their country is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be that I live not to weep over it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 09:09:17 PM »
Quote from: BobRobertson on September 02, 2009, 07:45:27 PM
I have yet to see a rational argument for supporting evil.
Really?

Do you pay any taxes?
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