Up to what point is abortion ethical?

Killing any fertilized egg is unethical

Only the "day after" pill is ethical

Only in cases of rape, incest or threat to the mother

1st trimester

2nd trimester

Up to the point thatl the unborn baby could live on its own if it were born prematurely

a minute before natural birth

Infanticide is ethical

[conrad from spain]

I've personally changed my mind about this issue a million times and I was wondering what you guys think.

I was reading Ron Paul's The Revolution: A Manifesto and he was essentially saying that abortion was infanticide. Being an OB/GYN, he gives the argument that if he were the mother's doctor and through if his negligence caused his patient's baby to die he would be charged with wrongful death.

Ancient Greeks and Romans didn't have abortion and had no problem killing an unwanted newborn baby (ever read Oedipus Rex?).

Some (mostly religious people) think any fertilized ovum has all the rights of a newborn.

What do you think?

[WallyC33]

I believe it to be unethical.

[Alex Libman]

It is never ethical, but it should be legal until the child gets the (negative) "right to life", which is a point where the child's life can be protected without infringing on the mother's right to her own body.

With the current level of medical technology, this still isn't possible until full physical autonomy (i.e. birth) is achieved.  If that ever changes (I'm thinking of a Star Trek episode where a baby is "beamed" from one woman to another), the debate will become a lot more complicated.

[Alex Libman]

s/baby/fetus/;

(If you find my typo fixing posts annoying, get the modtards to unshithead me!)

[John Shaw]

(If you find my typo fixing posts annoying, get the modtards to unshithead me!)

If you find his typo fixing posts annoying, ask the troll why he's a shithead. Or, you know, assume it's because of behavior like this.

[orion]

s/baby/fetus/;

If you find his typo fixing posts annoying, ask the troll why he's a shithead. Or, you know, assume it's because of behavior like this.

Alex is trying to make his e-cock look big by showing everyone that he knows how to do a find/replace in perl.

You aren't the most tech-savvy person on this forum, Libman.

[John Shaw]

s/baby/fetus/;

If you find his typo fixing posts annoying, ask the troll why he's a shithead. Or, you know, assume it's because of behavior like this.

Alex is trying to make his e-cock look big by showing everyone that he knows how to do a find/replace in perl.

You aren't the most tech-savvy person on this forum, Libman.

This. Also, he's trying to make other people take the blame for his own bad behavior.

Projection is funny.

"Hey, I'm a total cock! Now watch me act like an even bigger cock and push the blame on other people who have shown everyone that I'm a cock!"

[conrad from spain]

Shitheads aside.. back to the topic.. I'm interested in what you guys think (shitheads included)..

[Alex Libman]

Alex is trying to make his e-cock look big by showing everyone that he knows how to do a find/replace in perl.

I made an important mistake in my on-topic post, so I wanted to correct it.  I used a substitute shorthand that is so common on some forums / IRC that even people asking how to rename a file are using it.

You aren't the most tech-savvy person on this forum, Libman.

I never claimed to be.

Look, I don't understand the cause of your hostility, but I appreciate it.  It is helping me cure my addiction to Free Talk Live, the Free State Project, and cooperative libertarian projects in general.  I tried to be helpful - I failed.  You don't want me, fine, I won't foul the air with my presence any longer.

[JWI]

Look, I don't understand the cause of your hostility, but I appreciate it.  It is helping me cure my addiction to Free Talk Live, the Free State Project, and cooperative libertarian projects in general.  I tried to be helpful - I failed.  You don't want me, fine, I won't foul the air with my presence any longer.

If you can't see why then your just plain dumb.

You keep claiming you'll leave, so just do it already.

[conrad from spain]

this topic is getting shit-jacked!

Like I said before, I've changed my mind on this, I used to think that abortion was the same as killing a live person when I used to be religious, but then I changed my mind thinking that having an abortion was just getting rid of extra cells in a woman's body that could potentially be a person.

After reading Ron Paul, I'm going back to what I thought before. Since I don't think that killing an innocent human being is ethical..

I still think it's ethical up to the point where the baby could live on its own (wherever that might be). I guess my (flawed) reasoning is that before that point, it's just cells in a woman's body. It's hard to determine when it becomes a human being.

How does abortion fit into a "statement of non-aggression"?

[conrad from spain]

Anyone who hasn't seen this has to:

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[TimeLady Victorious]

1st trimester, although I support infanticide in certain cases... like if the baby has harlequin fetus syndrome.

[hellbilly]

Ethical in instances of rape, etc. and as Snuffcake has said, when it won't even be able to enjoy life.

Unethical when used as a means of birth control, especially repetitively. Although I have no problems with the morning after pill really.