Legal pot growers, talking about legal pot

[Defendant]

Well, lets take Maryland, for example.  They have MM on the books.  Now, try to find a doctor to recommend it.

Same with Jersey.

And, both have pretty tight grasp on the distribution/dispensary chain.

The fact remains, the East is, by and large, tight-assed.  You found an exception, great.  Laws can be repealed, you know...  Put Santorum in office, we may get to see it in action. 

Also, while that may be true about Michigan, look up the rules about Ann Arbor.  They have their own spin on the law(s).

Now, talking about population, I've found that low population is not always a good thing.  It depends on the circumstances.  Sometimes you're left alone, sometimes you're singled out. 

Every situation is different.

As far as cold goes, its a big problem for me.  I don't like it.  I don't like any climate where exposure can kill you, and burning umpteen-million BTU's is a necessity.  I don't particularly care how "free" the rest of the society is; in a SHTF scenario, you're fuckin' dead if you need to acquire combustible energy, and thats a fact.  Poor planning and a harsh price for a fuckin' buzz.  Places where the grid fails easily and has old infrastructure engineering tends to go down more frequently, which is just inconvenient.

As far as I'm concerned, that's just Maine's way of attracting people to stay. 

If I was interested in a cold(ish) region, I'd opt for Oregon.  And, in fact, I just might.  At least theres things to do. 








 

[Sovereign Curtis]

As far as cold goes, its a big problem for me.  I don't like it.  I don't like any climate where exposure can kill you, and burning umpteen-million BTU's is a necessity.  I don't particularly care how "free" the rest of the society is; in a SHTF scenario, you're fuckin' dead if you need to acquire combustible energy, and thats a fact.  Poor planning and a harsh price for a fuckin' buzz.  Places where the grid fails easily and has old infrastructure engineering tends to go down more frequently, which is just inconvenient.
 

Fuel grows on trees, up here.

[Defendant]

As far as cold goes, its a big problem for me.  I don't like it.  I don't like any climate where exposure can kill you, and burning umpteen-million BTU's is a necessity.  I don't particularly care how "free" the rest of the society is; in a SHTF scenario, you're fuckin' dead if you need to acquire combustible energy, and thats a fact.  Poor planning and a harsh price for a fuckin' buzz.  Places where the grid fails easily and has old infrastructure engineering tends to go down more frequently, which is just inconvenient.
 

Fuel grows on trees, up here.

Ya, it does.  I'm pretty familiar with the ways and means.  Growing up, lots of friends used wood.  I've stacked more cordwood than I care to remember, helping my pals do their chores.  And I know one thing, it can't be done with a broken limb very easily. 

If you are familiar with the term "heating degree days", you will understand the climatology of your location dictates a mean-average of 20 heating-degree days over a 365 day year, which is arrived at by taking 7600/365 =20, minused from room temp of 65, means the average hourly temp all-told is 45 degrees.



Now..  a total added score of 7600 is fairly severe.  This is a substantial amount of heating required to maintain comfort.

I would rather be in a climate where the HDD mean was approaching zero, meaning I didn't have to burn any BTU's to maintain comfort, or for that matter, survival.  At the very least, neglecting this can cause pipes to burst if the entire house is not warmed above freezing.  Worst case is obviously death by hypothermia.  Of course, in a rental unit, if you have no wood burner, you die. 

Ideally, in a more tropical location, the comfort factor works in the opposite, where you have cooling degree days, meaning the average is above 65.  Then you can just use a one-room AC if you prefer it to be a little more comfortable.  Or, just sweat it out.

[Turd Ferguson]

[Defendant]

Ideally, you'd want to be somewhere along the northern green area (lower map).  38th parallel, or thereabouts.  Notice how all the Southern states northern borders divide along the 37ish longitude.  Theres a reason for that, and I didn't invent maps. 



Heres the climatological breakdown according to the Kloppen scale.  I didn't invent that, either.



The reason is, it might get cold, but it usually doesn't experience severe cold winters.  Even boat people follow these guides, to distinguish where it's climatologically reasonable to live-aboard a boat.  Ice might occur, but it doesn't get super-thick.  It can be avoided with bubbler systems under a boat or dock.  This translates to soil, as well.  It'll freeze, but you don't have to dig deep to get below the frost line.

In these areas, its potentially "better" for harvesting solar power, because of all the sunlight hours added up.  It doesn't get so fuckin grey that solar panels are unfeasible for long periods.

Yes, you may have to burn some wood, at times.  But its all a matter of how much. 

The dark blue is completely inhospitable, in my opinion.  And those lines aren't exactly cut in stone, the area where dark blue and light blue meet aren't a breakout area where everything becomes golden.

I would rather err on the side of caution, and be comfortable in a climate that supports mild winters.    Its not necessarily true that the snakes and bugs are bigger.  I have big snakes here, and we get some damn cold winters.

Now!  How does this translate to growing pot?  Well, it kinda does.  I don't want to have to work especially hard to ensure my survival, and I don't want to work especially hard to ensure the survival of outdoor plants, either.

Marijuana can, and is, grown in northern climates.  Lots of people do it.  But it grows better in more favorable climates.  They get better sunlight, longer summers, and outdoors, severe unexpected snap-frosts can kill plants of any kind. 

Ideally, I would want to have land and climate at my disposal that would grow whatever I want.  Outdoor pot requires a longish growing period, with a really good mid-growth period.  Any plant requires a flowering period that allows the gardener to harvest properly.  Everybody knows it's better to grow "harvest" plants in a climate that has tropical qualities, where your season isn't squished into a delicate balance and calendar deadlines. 

I suppose those personal requirements don't exactly fall into the "legal" part of this thread, exactly.  But they're not entirely pointless concerns, either.  I have a personal preference, and would like to grow outdoors, legally.  Without using power and expensive equipment, that's how I'd like to produce any shit I personally consume.

It disappoints me that in that "green zone", there are no legal states where I could live my life the way I want.  I don't want to sacrifice all my other personal desires just because of where I can legally grow dope.  I think it's pretty shitty thats how my personal choices checkmate themselves.

[Turd Ferguson]

Nobody has mentioned one of the smaller Hawaiian islands. Perfect for growing all year round. Also, you can get land "relatively" cheap there as well if you dont mind not having mail delivery, power and other utilities. You can get property inland with no neighbors as far as the eye can see, with fertile soil and vegetation for around 20k/acre, which doesn't seem cheap off hand, but bullshit wooded land right here in central IL goes for more than that, if you can find it. I did a bit of research on that "5k/acre" stuff I've seen in real estate brochures. Turns out its mostly inhabitable due to the land under your feet being little more than lava flow with maybe 3 inches of top soil, if you're lucky. This type of property attracts people living in school buses and broken down RVs, so say the natives, so I'd steer clear.


Just make sure you stay away from the volcanoes when making your land selection. Pele can be a heartless cunt when she wants to.

[Defendant]

I read some horror stories about people going to Hawaii and having a shit-assed time.  Cost of living is terrible. 

I don't like to stress over money.  I find my life to be much more sedate if I can just magically whip up a few hundo's and chill.

Plus, I don't like to be at the mercy of airlines.

However, their laws are reasonable.  Probly a lot of cool doctors there.

[Defendant]

12 Acres Laytonville

[Cognitive Dissident]

With regard to that map with the "green zone," it grows nicely at 40 degrees and 6000 feet, but it drinks a lot of water in July and August, and it freezes a bit early.  I think maybe a smudge pot would work, or a greenhouse.  I got all excited about a greenhouse, then the high winds came by at just the right time to make me stop thinking about it--didn't just destroy my TV antenna, actually BENT THE MAST too.  So I decided I didn't want to put up a half-assed greenhouse, and I never wanted to do something serious.  I was thinking about         some pvc arches with semitransparent material draped over, though....in the spring and late autumn.  Of course, a cold frame would do in autumn.  Never thought about it before, but I'm wondering how a dugout greenhouse would work.

[Turd Ferguson]

12 Acres Laytonville

A bit pricey for me alone.

Wanna go splitsies? It'd be a good bug-out location. We could put duct tape on the ground to draw property lines, or hang sheets on a clothes line between trees. I call the creek side. I sell you buckets of water for good numbah-wan deal!! Almost nothing!

[Defendant]

I don't want twelve acres in Humboldt.  I just thought it was interesting to watch.

That shit is for the 99 plant crowd, sixteen ft tall monsters grown in tractor wheels.  Takes 270 days and a fuckload of work.  Good way to get your head blown off.

But it does explain why some people want to genetically clone plants with laboratory methods.

I'd rather just buy a Z from the dope clinic.

[Turd Ferguson]

It sold for 225k anyway.

[Defendant]

It sold for 225k anyway.

Thats not bad, except for the extra 200k.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Bought some of this Saturday at the 4/20 celebration in Denver (it was held for three days.)  May help with the problem of transporting sinsemilla genetics.

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[Defendant]

Thats neat.