Tired of juvenile stunts misrepresenting the FSP. Canceled my AMP.

[Cognitive Dissident]

FSP Front page...." All these things will be done by local activist organizations with which many Free Staters are involved."

http://freestateproject.org/

"activist organizations" are suggested to follow the "five P's" of activism ------ philanthropy, proselytizing, prepping, protesting, and politics."

http://freestateproject.org/nhinfo/Activism

There is not "one road" to liberty.....there are "five roads" and more.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson

I didn't see "pissing off the unindoctrinated."

[alaric89]

That is a bonus.

[sandm000]

This kind of activism actually lets people start conversations.
Although you shouldn't start with, "I'm not one of those Free staters, but..."
It'll wind up in the conversation somewhere.

[theodorelogan]

Nah, how could he disagree with the direction of the show?  The direction is that we are getting more stations onboard and bringing more listeners to the ideas of liberty.

He's just harping on the same old thing he's harped on for years - he hates activism that isn't "respectful" to the system.  His beef is with me.  He'd probably love FTL if I weren't on it.

Oh, why can't I just put on a suit and tie and go lobby the legislature like he does?!?!

Ian, it's not about being "respectful to the system."  It's about deliberately pissing off people instead of persuading.

When you do things that disturb the status quo, some people will be pissed off.  When politicos start actually rolling back the government, they are going to piss people off too.

But I don't see the Keaniacs deliberately pissing people off by smoking pot.  It seems like the most pissed off people are the libertarians who think they have a monopoly on the right kind of activism.

I certainly think anyone has room to improve in anything (including activism choices).  But we need to set the example for other people by being tolerant, not angry, over the choices that other people make.

[Johnson]

"When politicos start actually rolling back the government, they are going to piss people off too."

They won't actually roll back government. Not people like Denis, not really. Fitting in is more important to them. There are some people working within the system not so concerned with fitting in, these are the one's that will make real changes.

Luckily, the FSP is designed for this. The idea of the 20,000 was just to attract voters, so most people just have to show up wanting to be free and willing to move in that general direction. In the long run, that's all that really matters.

[SeanD]

The reality is there are 3 distinct groups. The people that already get the Liberty message - The Statists that will never get the message - and the people in the middle that might get the message.  That last group is the people whose outlook towards the movement is most important because that is where population growth will come from.

As a whole that group is probably going to be much more receptive to anti-molestation TSA activism, videoing the cops activism, and similar actions showing the Gubmint denying or taking away our "Constitutional"/FSM given rights.  Probably going to be neutral on 420 events and some of the other victimless crime activism due to decades of indoctrination although this can be overcome.  Where you will lose many is when they see you "harassing" children, grandmothers that happen to work in the court as clerks or soldiers.  These are by common "Societal" norms "good" people that don't harm fellow citizens and should be left alone.

Call them conformists.  Call them mini statists.  But these are the people you need to target if you are going to get converts.  Perpetuating activism that is going to turn them away is counter productive.  Until you can see the goal as more important than your ego there will continue to be a disconnect.

[Fred]

Live and let live...

[d_goddard]

They won't actually roll back government. Not people like Denis, not really.

Really Johnson? Really?
When was the last time you;
* cut back a town's government spending
* eliminated a tax
* caused a town *not* to infringe on a property owner's rights
* ensured NH still has no adult seat belt law
?

I, personally, have done all those things.

And people "like" me -- in that they got elected:
* eliminated all knife laws
* made real-id "or any de facto netional ID standard that may follow therefrom" illegal in NH
* made it illegal for the government to use license place scanners
* repealed regulations on homeschoolers
... and on and on and on...

If you're looking for people who are posturing -- but not actually rolling back government -- look to the FK crowd, look to topless pot smoking open-carry, look to people acting like jackasses for their youtube channels.

[Johnson]

Just checking to see if you're still paying attention

That totally worked.

[Johnson]

P.S. Now you know how it feels, what you are doing to others.

Think about it.

[alaric89]

You quite dissen the topless chicks Denis.
I am looking forward to that.

[FTL_Ian]

Notice how Denis and WTFK ignore the fact that FK activism has support in this community (Keene).

I'm grateful for everyone that sees the value in controversy.

[FTL_Ian]

Also, his anger about free people living freely is very sad.  How can he expect others to show tolerance to people who want to live differently if he himself can't do that?

You honestly don't get it?  It's not about the activism.  It's about BROADCASTING BAD ACTIVISM CHOICES all over the world, making liberty lovers look like those people the state warned them about.  People who haven't "figured it out" already aren't going to be persuaded by that stuff.

It's only your opinion that the activism is bad.

[Turd Ferguson]

Being somewhat of an "outsider" to outside the system activism, can someone point me to a single law that has been repealed, or changed for the better, because of it?

I know Denis has given part of his sides resume, but hows the other sides score-card?

Just curious is all. Not trying to stir shit.

[d_goddard]

Adding one more to the list. Looks like Jury Nullification is about to become law of the land in NH.
Passed the House and Senate; doubt the governor will veto.

Jury nullification. Yes, it took years of perseverance. What it didn't take, was sophomoric stunts, chalking, or candlelight vigils.