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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2014, 03:09:06 AM »

I meant me and the mouse in my pocket. I call him "Nappy". You really think having more people screwing around playing god will improve things Mr. Voice? What is your problem with voluntary societies? If you want to move to a neghborhood where everybody has a elected government official go for it. I'll be over here in the society with agreed on rules and a administrater or two. Everybody wins in Anarchy.Racist can live in racistville, commies can share everything and starve, and open minded makers can thrive and build.
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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2014, 09:17:00 AM »

RE:  I'll be over here in the society with agreed on rules and a administrater or two.



administrator or two ?

Who chooses who will be the administrators ?

Would those be elected, or self appointed, or someone else playing god or what ?


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RE:  What is your problem with voluntary societies?


What makes you think I have a problem with voluntary societies ?

A Minarchist society implemented on NAP IS A VOLUNTARY SOCIETY

Have you not read this thread from the beginning ?


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RE: agreed on rules


How is the set of rules determined ?

How do you know who agrees to the rules ?

What if someone doesn't agree ?


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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2014, 10:09:42 AM »

I would hire the administrators I guess, like any other manager. No I haven't read most of the thread, it is boring. What part of "agreed on rules." did you not savy?
You move to a place, or set up a comunity, with rules you like (or can live with) and sign off on them, just like HOAs do now.

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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2014, 06:54:33 PM »

What part of "agreed on rules." did you not savy?

Who set up the rules ?

What if someone doesn't agree ?

You move to a place, or set up a comunity, with rules you like (or can live with) and sign off on them, just like HOAs do now.

When you want to move, where do you go to find the rules for the community ?

And what if there is no place you can move to with rules you can live with ?
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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2014, 02:59:21 AM »

Well if we had the one representitive for every two people monopoly of force you propose we would probably have less choices then now. In a Anarchist society little voluntary comunities would probably pop up all over the place. Busybodies who live to be a pain in the ass wouldn't peep up or have a limited life expectancy I recon.

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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2014, 05:56:24 PM »

Well if we had the one representitive for every two people monopoly of force you propose we would probably have less choices then now.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. I don't recognize this as my proposal.

As I proposed above there would be at least 3000(minimum) to choose from (compared to 50 today)
with possibility of many more.
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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2014, 02:52:30 AM »

If 3000 representitive were good, wouldn't every third person being a government official be even better?

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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2014, 10:05:01 AM »

If 3000 representitive were good, wouldn't every third person being a government official be even better?

I'll take that to mean you are not interested in any serious discussion.
If you want to discuss, please answer the questions already posed to you.
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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2014, 10:20:22 AM »

I would hire the administrators I guess, like any other manager. No I haven't read most of the thread, it is boring. What part of "agreed on rules." did you not savy?
You move to a place, or set up a comunity, with rules you like (or can live with) and sign off on them, just like HOAs do now.

That doesn't account for people not yet born who have not consented and will not.
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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2014, 10:53:47 AM »

I would hire the administrators I guess, like any other manager. No I haven't read most of the thread, it is boring. What part of "agreed on rules." did you not savy?
You move to a place, or set up a comunity, with rules you like (or can live with) and sign off on them, just like HOAs do now.

That doesn't account for people not yet born who have not consented and will not.

It's also a confession of a Minarchist view, though one with unelected rather than elected governance.

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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2014, 04:46:49 PM »

 If I hire a manager and security guards, and they start to try to rule me they would be fired. I once worked as a bouncer. I mouthed off to the owner, I would have had a bad day and so would the night club superviser had he decided to act badass.
 If everybody respected and helped enforced the NAP all the sudden, people would be free to move around. People who tried to imprison kids, wives, combinations of the two, etc. would have a bad day when caught.
 I never said I would live in a closed neighborhood if there was anarchy, I am a industrial farm/factory out of the way sort of dude. The closed comunities thing lets Anarcho Socialist, seperatists*, and other wacky racers I have no wish to asociate with, somewhere to live while they evolve. I am sure some people want to live in kid free zones, family freindly places, singles places etc. because they do right now. With Anarchy there is no reason those things would disappear.


*When I say seperatist I mean racists of all stripes, gay bashers, that sort of thing. Many Anarchist think this sort of stupidity would somehow disappear in a "good" anarchy. I don't.
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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2014, 05:46:27 PM »

If I hire a manager and security guards, and they start to try to rule me they would be fired.
Perhaps I need to discover what you meant by "administrater".
I presumed you meant someone to perform some type of governance for the community, not just your own club.

Not knowing what the rules of the community are or how the rules would be determined, I am left guessing a lot.
  ( previously unanswered questions posed to you )
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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2014, 03:06:25 AM »

  We are talking Anarchy dude. The only rules you would follow are the ones you agreed to. A administrative body is all you would need at most. Say a bunch of black people didn't want the stink of whitey around. They would live in a segregated community. If They had a child who grew up wanting that sweet, sweet white poon tang they would go to a nearby comunity that wasn't full of racist idiots. No one would stop any of that happening if no agression took place. Some kid would be disowned by a bunch of bigots who keep to themselves, no loss for anyone- no one hurts anyone.
  That is the most extreme version I can think of.
  Like I said some people would live in NoruleNojudgementville as well, they would have binding written contracts and private arbitration instead. I am sure there would also be comunities I can't even imagine. Some would be awsome, some would suck. The sucky ones would die out in a generation or two. I can't tell you what rules you would want to live by. They are your rules.
  You tell me. :lol:

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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2014, 09:36:00 AM »

A administrative body is all you would need at most.
Need to administrate what ?

Please answer the previously posed questions.
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Re: THREE QUESTIONS ??? FOR THE NAP(Non-Aggression Principle) ANARCHIST
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2014, 10:05:15 AM »

Who set up the rules ? The people who built the comunity.

What if someone doesn't agree ? They leave or get lonely. I wouldn't move to a place that didn't have a clear clause for ending a contract. Anyone that did in a free society would be sol.

When you want to move, where do you go to find the rules for the community ? Probably clearly written on the contract for renting or buying a property.

And what if there is no place you can move to with rules you can live with ? One would homestead on unclaimed land.
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