RE: alaric89
NAP punishment does not include abuse, but this could include punishment that is defensive in nature, not aggressive.
And your link offered no proof concerning that such defensive(restitution) NON-abusive punishment.
Your refutation that you offered a straw man does nothing to change the fact that you offered a straw man.
Let's review . . .
You claimed, “In a free society kids would not know corperal punishment.”
I responded, “A parent exercising punishment of their kid could happen (and likely would happen) within the confines of the NAP.”
You then converted to a straw man by replying, “I would argue that beating”
I responded -- There is a difference between "corporal punishment" and "beating".
You then continued the straw man further by replying, “Show me a torture victim that isn't messed up.”
I then stated, “your point was about corporal punishment and then you switched topic to beating and then to torture.”
You now replied, “The Child rearing thing isn't a strawman.”
That claim is not intellectually valid.
Further, in an apparent attempt to distract from your invalid refutation, you then mischaracterize my original statement.
I originally stated, “A parent exercising punishment of their kid could happen (and likely would happen) within the confines of the NAP.
You now characterize that as “You were the one trying to point out that spanking is swell as long as the victim is smaller weaker and under your charge.”
This was absolutely not what I was trying to point out and is a ridiculous claim on its face.
You then ask a ridiculous question, “Do I need to post a link proving that bad unaccountable people seek power?”, as if that has anything to do whatsoever with your obvious straw man(though as yet refuted by you).