The Truth About The Civil War and Southern Secession

[Luke Smith]

There are a bunch of people in the "liberty movement" and the Free State Movement and in the FTL community who keep saying that the South had a right to secede in 1861. This is complete and utter hogwash. There is no right to secede, and if you secede you are a traitor, and if you advocate secession you are a seditionist.

When the North fought the Civil War against the South, it was fighting to bring a group of people who had seceded and thus had committed treason back into the Union, which it certainly had the right to do. And furthermore, when the South seceded, everyone in the South who aided and/or abetted secession lost all their rights, and only had the rights that the rest of the Union (the North) was willing to give to them. So if the North would have decided that the South was only to have half the rights that they had before, i.e. that every Southern state was now to be only a half-state with only one Senator in the national Congress and only half the representatives that they had before, then that would be legit. If the North would have decided that the South now had no rights, and was to be governed as a conquered territory with no rights indefinately, then that would have been legit too. But luckily for the South they got Andrew Johnson in there and he pardoned them, so all their rights were restored. But if Johnson hadn't have gotten in there, and it was decided by the North that they were to only have half rights or no rights, then that would have been perfectly legit because they seceded and committed treason and thus lost all their rights.

[TimeLady Victorious]

or the South could have seceded because of tariffs imposed by the majority

tariffs which had to do with cotton, cotton grown using Negro slavery

funny how the North never attacked until the incident at Fort Sumter, if it was really about "secession" . . .

[NHArticleTen]

Dear Luke,

You are part of the problem...not the solution...

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

Seems like you're trolling...

die troll, die...

enjoy!

[mikehz]

You mean, contrary to the Declaration of Independence, people don't have a right to seceded? There IS no "consent of the governed?" Does that mean the US ought to rejoin the United Kingdom?

How evil and abusive may a government become before its citizens have a right to secede?

And, what about those states which included a provision for secession within their own constitutions, as a condition for joining the Union?

[MacFall]

There is no right to secede, and if you secede you are a traitor, and if you advocate secession you are a seditionist.

That's right! They should have strung up every last one of those founding fathers! There is no just cause! REX LEX!

[TimeLady Victorious]

There is no right to secede, and if you secede you are a traitor, and if you advocate secession you are a seditionist.

That's right! They should have strung up every last one of those founding fathers! There is no just cause! REX LEX!

Let's not forget about Sam Houston.

He was a general fighting against the legitimate Mexican government, clearly he deserved to be executed

as did Simon Bolivar and Jose Marti

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

I've been seeing a lot of lefties talk about traitors and treason lately...

[TimeLady Victorious]

I've been seeing a lot of lefties talk about traitors and treason lately...

torturers? liars?

tar, feathers, hemp rope . . .

enjoy!

[NHArticleTen]

I've been seeing a lot of lefties talk about traitors and treason lately...

torturers? liars?

tar, feathers, hemp rope . . .

enjoy!

jizzed

[Luke Smith]

Dear Luke,

You are part of the problem...not the solution...

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

Seems like you're trolling...

die troll, die...

enjoy!

No, it's you who are the troll, not me. And I'm not talking about a troll on a website, either. You're far worse than that. You're a troll in this country. You are a subversive. An insurrectionist. A seditionist. A traitor. You are a termite that is gnawing, gnawing, gnawing away at the foundations of this country, just like the termites who gnawed, gnawed, gnawed away at the Vietnam war effort all those years ago. Sooner or later (hopefully sooner) somebody is going to call pest control on you, and they're going to remove you and your little termite nest right out of this country and then you'll be some other country's problem. Hopefully one with a hell of a lot less tolerance for insurrectionists/traitors/termites than this one.

[NHArticleTen]

Dear Luke,

You are part of the problem...not the solution...

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

Seems like you're trolling...

die troll, die...

enjoy!

No, it's you who are the troll, not me. And I'm not talking about a troll on a website, either. You're far worse than that. You're a troll in this country. You are a subversive. An insurrectionist. A seditionist. A traitor. You are a termite that is gnawing, gnawing, gnawing away at the foundations of this country, just like the termites who gnawed, gnawed, gnawed away at the Vietnam war effort all those years ago. Sooner or later (hopefully sooner) somebody is going to call pest control on you, and they're going to remove you and your little termite nest right out of this country and then you'll be some other country's problem. Hopefully one with a hell of a lot less tolerance for insurrectionists/traitors/termites than this one.

cause it's YOUR country...amiright?

spoken like a true British Royal Tory during the struggle for American independence from King George...

hmm....

sad

[MasterShake]

The lesson here:

If you don't like what the government's doing, bend over and take it like a man.  YOu have no rights.

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn
what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless
misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two
gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right,
everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over
himself. He loved Big Brother.

[Dylboz]

Luke is a stupid, vile piece of brainwashed crap. He's sold his soul to the devil, and he likes it hot.

[TimeLady Victorious]

Dear Luke,

You are part of the problem...not the solution...

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

Seems like you're trolling...

die troll, die...

enjoy!

No, it's you who are the troll, not me. And I'm not talking about a troll on a website, either. You're far worse than that. You're a troll in this country. You are a subversive. An insurrectionist. A seditionist. A traitor. You are a termite that is gnawing, gnawing, gnawing away at the foundations of this country, just like the termites who gnawed, gnawed, gnawed away at the Vietnam war effort all those years ago. Sooner or later (hopefully sooner) somebody is going to call pest control on you, and they're going to remove you and your little termite nest right out of this country and then you'll be some other country's problem. Hopefully one with a hell of a lot less tolerance for insurrectionists/traitors/termites than this one.

Dude, what is with you and Nam?

[Luke Smith]

With your line of reasoning...just replace "North" with "Husband" and "South" with "Wife"...then see if your logic is seen as rational by anyone not delusional...

The North is not a husband, and the South is not a wife. They are two areas of the USA, one of which decided to commit treason against the USA.

The fact is that the South had its opportunity to become its own nation, right at the beginning when the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution were being drafted and signed by the various delegates from the various states. If, during that time, the South had decided to create its own convention instead of the main convention, and use that convention to become its own country, then that would have been fine. But what the South did instead is signed the documents from the main convention and then decided 70 years later that it didn't want to live by the documents it signed 70 years earlier. That just doesn't work, folks. Once the South signed the Constitution, it was part of One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All. If the South wanted to be part of a different nation, then it shouldn't have signed. But when it signed and 70 years later tried to secede, then what it was doing was breaking apart the indivisible nation of the USA, which is treason.