Stefan Molyneux an absolute bigot

[Turd Ferguson]

Harsh? Do you really want me to say exactly what I think of him?

Eh, I don't really care either way. I suppose you could if it makes you feel better.

[alaric89]

 I pointed out the dress argument to prove that many gays DO have a axe to grind on the nurture argument. If my young son wanted to wear a dress I would have to point out to him that he was misrepresenting himself and why. A parent has a duty to raise their kid in the real world. "You realise if you wear that dress the other kids will make your life a living hell right?"
  Keep in mind that other parents judge you. If I knew a gay couple with kids I would suggest they raise their kids in a very conservative way and tell the children why they are doing so. I think they do most of the time anyway. CPS can make a good parents life a living hell.
  My parenting style is very truth based.
  Ernest Hemingway was forced to wear a dress as a child and he was pretty straight. That is proof enough that a dress wouldn't make someone gay. He was all sorts of messed up though. More sad proof from the  Canadian David Reimer phtt://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer. Trying to force someone to be what they are not is definitely bad.
 I fact initiation of force always is.

[John Shaw]

All men are gay for Link.

[John Shaw]

For serious though, people say shit off the cuff that can be taken out of context fairly easily all the time.

If someone went through and grabbed everything Stef has said about fat people you'd have a video ten times as long and ten times as offensive.

"He'd jump on that like a fat kid on a Smartie." is one I've heard from him half a dozen times or so.

But so fucking what? The worst thing you could accuse the dude of is speculation that he identifies openly as speculation and the sort of vague but not malicious ignorance that comes in the flavor of "Some of my best friends are X"

As for the fat people comments, obviously a person's weight is determined by their behavior so you have a stickier situation in regards to the legitimacy of his complaints so it's obviously not an apples to apples comparison, but people see what resonates to their lives, and as a mostly fat guy I notice those sorts of comments more than the comments about homosexuality.

*Waiting to see a troll video compilation of fatty comments*

[alaric89]

Photo of my Dad about 14 years ago in his homemade glass blowing shop. Strongest man I ever had to deal with. Could walk for miles at a time. Believe it or not he was one of the ground breakers in the survivalist movement started in the 70's. He was kind of a Rhodes scholar of practical skills. He died this summer in a head on collision. My Mom was passenger in the minivan and survived. He couldn't get any more to the right before the pickup hit them because of the guard rail.
I don't tell a lot of fat jokes.

[John Shaw]

I don't make fat jokes because I'm fat.

And I'm sorry for your loss yo.

[Dalebert]

I laugh at good-natured jokes about gay stereotypes. But just swap minorities. Imagine a guy who just decides to share his speculations and theories about black people or Mexicans based on his personal anecdotal experiences.

"The black people I've known were always thieves."

"The Mexicans I've known were always lazy."

"The gay people I've know were always promiscuous."

I think that would be pretty offensive and such a guy would come across as pretty ignorant for speculating in such a manner.

[Turd Ferguson]

All men are gay for Link.

I'd put my sword in him, balls deep.

I mean hilt deep.

Yeah.

[Turd Ferguson]

I laugh at good-natured jokes about gay stereotypes. But just swap minorities. Imagine a guy who just decides to share his speculations and theories about black people or Mexicans based on his personal anecdotal experiences.

"The black people I've known were always thieves."

"The Mexicans I've known were always lazy."

"The gay people I've know were always promiscuous."

I think that would be pretty offensive and such a guy would come across as pretty ignorant for speculating in such a manner.

I don't find it offensive when people do that. I do question WHY they would even bother keeping tabs on who does what, based on someones ethnicity or sexual orientation though.

We just need to get past the bullshit of categorizing people in the first place. The rest would take care of itself.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

"The gay people I've know were always promiscuous."

Might go hand in hand with the idea that Men always/only want sex. 

[Turd Ferguson]

I dunno man. Sometimes I just want a cheeseburger and GTFO.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

I dunno man. Sometimes I just want a cheeseburger and GTFO.

Heh, okay, let me be more specific. I am saying that its a 'commonly held assumption'. Thing is its just that: an assumption. A rather moronic one when you even spend a few minutes researching human mating and why men/women are wired different.

[Looking from outside]

"The gay people I've know were always promiscuous."

Might go hand in hand with the idea that Men always/only want sex. 

And so were the straight men I've known. If it moved they would go after it. Straights when attacking gays by pointing out their supposed faults always forget to look at their own faults. How convenient!

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

And so were the straight men I've known.

:points to his post:

I am agreeing with you. Saying that gay men are always promiscuous is a stupid assumption, just as saying that men only/always want sex. Its one of those things that everyone thinks is axiomatic but is really just stupidly embedded morality (Original Sin in another form) of our culture.

[Turd Ferguson]

I will say that I do believe that in general, men are more promiscuous, simply because of fucked up standards set up by society. A guy that goes out slinging dick around is seen as a player and gets hi-fives from his friends for his conquests. I know. I went through that stage myself and never got the evil-finger pointed at me....not even once, from anyone. A woman that does the same thing gets called a whore.