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Sign up for the D&DNext Playtest
« on: May 17, 2012, 03:08:33 PM »

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Re: Sign up for the D&DNext Playtest
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 03:26:35 PM »

I haven't messed with D&D since junior high, so I was just wondering, is this alot like playing on a board like IRL, or is it more like a WOW type thing?
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Re: Sign up for the D&DNext Playtest
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2012, 01:29:57 AM »

I got my packet; here's my take.

Wizards of the Coast makes its own retro-clone
May 26, 2012 by cavalier973

That’s pretty much what I get from reading through the playtest packet that I downloaded (and which one can still presumably get by going to www.wizards.com/dnd )

There is one new gameplay element that is intriguing: the “Advantage/Disadvantage” concept.  If a player has advantage in a given situation (making an attack, climbing a mountainside), he rolls two d20s and takes the higher roll.   If he has disadvantage, he rolls two d20s and takes the lower.  This replaces the “+2 bonus” that a player would normally get from, say, flanking an enemy or attacking it from a hidden position.

Wizards and Clerics are back to near-Vancian.  I say “near”, because the wizard’s cantrips (and cleric’s orisons) can be cast at-will (that is, there is no limit to the number of times cantrips can be cast in a day).  “Magic Missile” is one of the cantrips, so the wizard doesn’t have to ever fall back to using a crossbow.  In addition, the Magic Missile gets better as the wizard gains experience levels.

Fighters lose all the interesting powers that they had in 4e; they also lose the “stances” of the essentials version of the fighter.  Fighters now hit with weapons, period.  There’s some flapdoodle about how this makes fighters more interesting, because one isn’t “limited” to the powers on his character sheet.  I don’t know who that argument is supposed to fool.  Fighters are boring again.  Huzzah for the nerds!  Down with the jocks!

There’s some discussion about a rule that a character that is intoxicated enjoys a damage reduction of 1d6.  Well, of course; isn’t it common knowledge that if one is in a car wreck, one should flop about like a drunk to avoid being hurt too badly?  Besides, “intoxicated” isn’t necessarily equivalent to being drunk; one could argue that a person high on some narcotic could be considered “intoxicated”.  So, Bob the Fighter snuffs a little pixie dust up his nose just before a fight, and loses his sense of danger and pain.  The only problem, is that Bob the Fighter is now at a disadvantage; he can’t see straight enough to actually hit anything.  He also tries to climb ladders upside down.

The pre-made characters include a dwarf fighter (with a big, honkin’ axe), a dwarf cleric (very similar to a paladin), a human cleric (a healer with a quarterstaff and scale armor), a halfing rogue (is there any other kind?), and an elf–”high elf”–wizard.

The “adventure” included is the “Keep on the Borderlands”–without the Keep.  The intro to the adventure says to make it your own.  It includes descriptions of the various areas in the caves of chaos.  I intend to try to play this with my kids.  I’ll have them begin at the Adventurers’ Guild, where a farmer hires them to rescue his prize pig (that he intended to enter into the pig competition at the Greymerry Faire the following week).  The characters will follow the trail to the kobold’s cave.  Just outside the cave, they’ll meet a rather beat-up kobold, that jabbers at them in draconic (hopefully, the wizard will remember that she has the “comprehend languages” spell, and uses it to find out what the kobold is saying.  If not, then the party will have a more difficult time figuring out what’s going on).  If the party can figure out how to communicate with the kobold, they’ll learn that the pig was stolen to provide a feast in honor of the kobold queen, who is there on a visit.  The beat-up kobold, who is the chief engineer, knows that the tunnel has become unstable for some reason, and the queen–along with every other member of the tribe–is in danger of being squished.  The kobold engineer tried to stop the queen from entering the cave, and was thrashed for its insolence.  It wants the adventurers to save the queen.  Something like that.

Something I’m hopeful about is the ability to play without an actual map in front of us.  We do that now, with my impromptu “Pick a number between one and ten” rule.  4th edition is my favorite version (so far), but battles do take a while.

Anyway, back to the “review”:  there has been some crowing that there are no longer “healing surges”.  Such crowing is voiced by those who apparently are confused on what healing surges are.  They are not a way for every character to take as much healing as he needs at any time (and thus making the cleric obsolete).  They are, rather, a limit on the amount of healing that is effective for the character.  That is, once a fighter’s healing surges have been used up for the day, drinking a healing potion will do him no good; the cleric’s “Healing Word” will no longer heal him, either.  “Cure Light Wounds” will, because that prayer heals without using a healing surge.  It seems that some confuse the “healing surge” with a character’s “Second Wind”, which allows the character ONCE per battle to use a healing surge to up his hit points.  Now, during a short rest, the character can spend as many healing surges as he wants to increase his hit points, so perhaps that is what is causing the angst.   Much better to spend three days having the cleric memorize his healing prayers, using them, and resting again.  The way I take it, on the other hand, is that between battles, the character gets out his bandages and aspirin, and hums a little inspirational tune (because “hit points” are not “health points”; they represent, rather, the character’s ability to continue to fight) to refresh himself and get himself patched back up for the next potential battle.

But I digress.

There are healing surges (of a sort) in this playtest packet.  A character can heal up to the number of hit dice he has (which seems to be one hit die per level).  To heal, he uses the first aid kit (which has ten uses before it is depleted), and rolls one hit die and adds it to his CON modifier.

So, neener, neener.

To sum up, Wizards seems to be trying to go forward by going backward.  They are  counting on the whole nostalgia thing to bring back those gamers that got their feelings hurt by 4th edition.  I really appreciate the effort they are making to include everyone, and it looks like they have a few innovations that might increase the fun value of the game.  This is not the end product, of course, and there will be tweaks here and there as the develpment process continues.  I still maintain, however, that the 4th edition Essentials line is (so far) the pinnacle of TTRPG rules.

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Re: Sign up for the D&DNext Playtest
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2012, 01:37:19 AM »

Pathfinder replaced D&D I heard.
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Re: Sign up for the D&DNext Playtest
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2012, 01:43:23 AM »

I haven't messed with D&D since junior high, so I was just wondering, is this alot like playing on a board like IRL, or is it more like a WOW type thing?

I'm irritated that the ruleset that was "nothing but World of Warcraft on paper" never actually got a computer game made using an honest interpretation of the rules.

I played WoW for about 15 minutes when they made it free, and then uninstalled it.  D&D 4e may have some superficial resemblence to WoW on the surface, especially in the concept of "roles", but it is a very different (and fun) ruleset.  The "Essentials" line brings back some of the old-school gameplay, but with a twist: rather than having powers, fighters now just do basic attacks, but have stances that they can use to vary their attacks.  They may want to increase the likelihood of a hit, or increase damage, or have the ability to move after making a successful attack.  Rogues use "tricks" that get him into position to have combat advantage, at which point he can really dish up some damage.  A lot of the nerd-rage can be attributed to the wizard being nerfed quite a bit.  And when I say wizard, I mean any of the caster classes.
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Re: Sign up for the D&DNext Playtest
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2012, 01:47:21 AM »

Pathfinder replaced D&D I heard.

It would certainly seem so.  Paizo's production values are off the chart.  Have you seen their miniatures line?  Awesome.

And, you can get the rules free of charge.  What's not to like?  Paizo makes it's money off the Adventure Paths, I understand.

I still prefer 4th edition.
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Re: Sign up for the D&DNext Playtest
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2012, 01:57:50 AM »

2nd edition 4 lyfe son.
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Re: Sign up for the D&DNext Playtest
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2012, 03:09:31 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2012, 05:03:24 PM »

Pathfinder replaced D&D I heard.

It would certainly seem so.  Paizo's production values are off the chart.  Have you seen their miniatures line?  Awesome.

And, you can get the rules free of charge.  What's not to like?  Paizo makes it's money off the Adventure Paths, I understand.

I still prefer 4th edition.

Yeah, I have no real interest in the 5E playtest.  I don't play frequently enough to waste time learning and testing it.  On top of that, I'm perfectly happy with Pathfinder right now.  Paizo is really great with keeping pretty much everything OGL and accessible in electronic formats.  d20pfsrd.com anyone?
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