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How do you feel about Microsoft?

It's my bread and butter - I own stock and have all the certifications!!!
- 0 (0%)
I use Microsoft software and I *love* it!
- 4 (22.2%)
I use it and I like it.
- 4 (22.2%)
I use it and I feel neutral.
- 3 (16.7%)
I use it because I have to, but I wish I didn't.
- 5 (27.8%)
I use it, but I'm thinking of faking my own death to escape it.
- 0 (0%)
I don't use it - it just isn't for me, and those who use it are OK people.
- 0 (0%)
I don't use it - and those who use it are retarded monkey abortions.
- 1 (5.6%)
All Microsoft users should be put in concentration camps where a big Start button clicks them on the head every 30 seconds.
- 1 (5.6%)

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« on: March 10, 2011, 01:04:35 AM »

Yup, since I'm not allowed to "necro" the old one - a new Microsoft love thread!   :D

Note that I'm currently running various BSD's, and don't have much use for MS software, but nothing pisses me off more than when some GNUtard makes up shit about a very good software company just out of anti-capitalist political bias.


I'll summarize a few very important points from the old thread:

  • Microsoft exists to make money for its stockholders under the present political climate, and not to go bankrupt by going against the tide of current "intellectual property" laws, which its competitors will continue to use as they fill the gap in the market.  Microsoft does benefit from government force, but it is merely playing under the rules the government invented.  Microsoft was unique in staying out of government for the first two decades of its existence, while they earned their market share on the basis of merit, and they paid the price when they found themselves beneath an avalanche of anti-trust bullying - they're only lobbying in self-defense!

  • I think Microsoft would actually be better off without government taxation and regulation, and they'd still make most of their profits in a copyright-free world on the basis of contractual agreements: media, cloud, consumer online services, business service partnerships, deals with hardware vendors, official education / certification partnerships, voluntary IP recognition contracts that a lot of pro-business charter cities would find it in their best interest to join, etc.  Microsoft need not depend on government violence, but GNU does!

  • A large fraction of open source software was funded at tax-victim expense, including government research grants, government-enforced monopolies (ex. AT&T), public universities (ex. the B in BSD - a legacy the current developers continue to cling on to), pro-FLOSS bias in government software use (which often obligates those departments to contribute to it due to viral licenses), etc.  This includes the most innovative contributions that have made FLOSS a success on servers and supercomputers.

  • The importance of servers and supercomputers will decline thanks to the next major trend in Internet technology: more P2P!  I don't just mean for large file transfers, but for everything - Web proliferation and acceleration (ex. HTTP(P2P), Coral, etc), large computation projects (ex. BitCoin), distributed cloud, etc.  More and more Internet traffic is served via P2P, which means more and more of it is served by Microsoft.

  • I am yet to see a home computer on which Linux delivered better performance than Microsoft software.  Aside from games, a genre which Windows obviously dominates, the vast majority of home CPU cycles are used by Web browsers.  Windows offers more browser choices than Linux (ex. IE9 and Safari) and especially other Unixen (in many cases all you get is an old version of Firefox).  More importantly, even the same type and version of a Web browser tends to perform better on the same computer when booted into Windows rather than any UNIX!

  • More and more computing innovations are coming from hardware rather than software, and hardware vendors do have the Right to choose how they distribute their products and what operating systems they support.  Hardware compatibility of Windows is second to none.  (The only downside is that a capitalist operating system cannot bundle everything or provide a single package manager to install all software, so sometimes you do have to install a driver manually.)

  • So, yes, I do believe that Microsoft has achieved its market share largely on merit.  Although they've screwed up many things in their history, they've been moving on a right track for the past few years, with the best innovations being just around the corner.  The purpose of this thread is to document and debate the specifics.
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Re: Microsoft
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 02:58:26 AM »

I use it but don't like it.

The main thing is the Windows is more complex, but in the end doesn't do much that any other system can't. I'm not just a user, I want to understand how my software works. For end-user applications, Microsoft's stuff is generally pretty good. So is Apple's.

It is my honest belief that all software sucks, the question is, does it suck in ways that you can tolerate, or does it suck in ways that you can't? Microsoft's stuff sucks in ways I don't tolerate well (for fuck's sake it's 2011 and they still don't have multiple workspaces?!). Apple's stuff sucks in ways that I can handle pretty well. Linux sucks in ways I don't handle easily (more precisely, everything that Linux stole from Unix I like, everything else I hate), BSD's stuff sucks in ways that don't bother me at all.

It's all a question of taste and what flavors you like.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 03:35:54 AM »

Id rather use linux, if only I could play all my pc games on linux well

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2011, 03:43:50 AM »

Alex...have you ever owned a Mac?

I do realize that you are heavy into computers, so I'm guessing all the massive amounts of troubleshooting a Bill Gates PC can be quite challenging and stimulating for you. Personally, I can't stand PCs/Microsoft. It's horrible stuff.

The Macs I've had have given me almost no trouble, But Mr Bill Gates would give me trouble, once a week. I don't care if Macs are for hipsters and gays, and pedos....or whatever the latest propaganda is....... I would take a Mac, any day.

But, if it's a person's thing to be on the cutting edge, a PC would prolly be better. However...if a person is wanting to be on the cutting edge of things, he/she would be better off using a Mac as their main computer, and occasionally breaking out their PC in order to deal with the cutting edge stuff.

I kinda have to get a new computer pretty soon, and I will do my best to avoid microsoft garbage. But Bill Gates' stuff is much more affordable....and that's Bill's evil bait!!!! If Jobs could figure out a way to sell at Gates' prices, Bill Gates would instantly be reduced to a pauper, living in a cardboard box on the cruel streets of New York City.
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Re: Microsoft
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2011, 05:25:12 PM »

Please keep this thread on-topic.

I thought some people here would be excited about Microsoft jumping on the Python wagon, and providing what might eventually become the best Python IDE around!  Take a look at the latest TIOBE programming language popularity index.  (You'll notice that the headline for March is that Microsoft's C# is catching up to C++, but that's a separate story.)  I once expressed the possibility that Microsoft gave PHP a boost a while ago by including it in their Web Platform Installer - I think they can now do the same thing for (Iron)Python as well!  I've always said that Python for a scripting perfect language for Microsoft to "assimilate", because it is more well-rounded than PHP, better licensed than Ruby, and, most importantly, it avoids the UNIXy legacy of most scripting languages, especially Perl.  Glad to see that Microsoft is starting to fulfill its potential, and I hope they'll go further, making Python a core component of Visual Studio 2012.

It's also great that Microsoft is either winning or becoming very competitive on both the client (IE9) and the server (Azure).  It was all but inevitable given Microsoft's multi-billion R&D budget and cozy relationship with hardware vendors.  And Microsoft can do something none of its client-side competitors (Google, Mozilla, Apple, Opera) or its server-side competitors (Google, Amazon, RackSpace, etc) hope to do any time soon, which is provide a full-stack developer solution that makes it easy and comfortable to develop application components on both ends.



You almost never see any pro-Microsoft news if you're living in a "free software" bubble and only read sites like Slashdot.  It's almost like being a member of a cult...  However, even Slashdot has to let through some good Microsoft news every once in a while.  Here are some recent exceptions:






Alex...have you ever owned a Mac?  [...]

Oh Hell No!  Macs have always been toy computers for idiots.  They've gotten better with MacOS X, but it's just mediocre both as a UNIX and as a GUI.  You often have to use multi-platform Java apps to get anything done on a Mac, but Mac's Java sucks.  Apple's war with Adobe could cost it the only decent apps they have!

You're better off running Windows on the client (which gets you a myriad of apps you can't get on a Mac, including the full stack from Microsoft), and *BSD on the server (which is cheaper and more flexible).  I run *BSD on the client as well, but I can't recommend that for everybody, as I can with Microsoft.

Microsoft is not Bill Gates.  Microsoft is its products and services, many of which are excellent.
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Re: Microsoft
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2011, 06:11:00 PM »

Finally there are some Linux distributions which more than satisfy my simply computing needs.  
So Gates can kiss my ass for now.  If I do win the lottery or some other source of funding becomes available my preference would be to get an Apple.

I am very grateful for Linux as it has saved my laptop from the junk heap.   Just as age of xp ends for this laptop a new age of Linux begins.
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Re: Microsoft
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2011, 06:46:45 PM »

I dont give a fuck either way. I use microsoft products because they have the least compatibility problems with hardware and are more widely used than Apple or Linux based products. I use a PC to get things done, not as a hobby to tinker with and tweak to my exact specifications. If another OS becomes prevalent, I'll migrate to that one.

I'm a whore.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 07:01:33 PM »

Indeed, but a whore wit a pretty mouth.

All good whores have em
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2011, 07:46:06 PM »

Please keep this thread on-topic.



Request denied. 

Commence hijack.  Topics are as follows:  Benefits of cigarettes, proponents of mandatory Purell hand sanitizer in all public places, and/or celebration of government regulated dental procedures.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2011, 09:16:20 PM »

WSP   TMI  :x
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2011, 09:22:48 PM »

It took the impending death of updates on my XP to get me to give Linux another go.  Glad I did as my pathetic old laptop simply wasn't going to be up to the task of handling W7.  It was the fastest install of an OS I have ever done.  I didn't have to hunt down a single driver everything just worked.  The only draw back is my Ipod was rendered useless as it refuses to work with Linux.   Also I am just not motivated enough to bother to get it to work.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2011, 09:44:30 PM »

True story:

I once sat shitting on the toilet in a public bathroom, two days after having my wisdom teeth pulled.  I was horny over the waffle house waitress, having no previous luck at the sausage party I just attended, I eyed the hand sanitizer on the wall.

It seemed as if it might burn, but it proved itself a sufficient lubricant for masturbation and no burn ensued.

Plus it served two functions as my junk was sanitized after hanging down in my own diarrhea.

That's what I call a win/win.

win-win indeed
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 11:07:04 PM »

Thread moved to "Hijack Free Zone".

Ignoring spammers doesn't seem to work.  The harder I struggle to save this forum (and FSP) the harder everyone else tries to destroy it...

I doubt any of the off-topic crap above took more than a minute to type, unlike the brilliant things of mine that certain idiots have deleted, but, nonetheless, I'm giving a generous 48 HOUR WARNING before deshitifying the thread.
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2011, 11:20:50 PM »

You wont. You'll leave it just the way it is. Know why? Because you're cool like that. You're above all the petty bullshit.


Thats why
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