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Re: Mark's Yeshua Problem
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2010, 03:27:31 PM »

What of my argument that all creation is the inherent property of the Creator, to dispose of as He sees fit?

That is what makes him sick and twisted. Allegedly, I was created in his image. I have to assume that means sovereign.

I created my son, Jack, along with his mother, does that mean I get to do with him as I please? What if I created a clone? If I sodomized my Golden Retriever, Fruit Loop and then tortured her to death, would you argue that I am not twisted?

Ah, but Mark, the difference is that you are not pre-defined as perfect.  With humans it is "He did this, and it is bad, therefore he is bad."  With God it is "He is good, and he did this thing, therefore this thing is good."  Things go in the opposite direction. 
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« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2010, 04:34:03 PM »


Imagine having to live in the presence of someone you detest, yet everyone around you is always going on and on about how great He is...
I argue that a good part of the torment of Hell is, having seen God, to be denied a relationship with him.  Then, there is an argument that I find intriguing, that the "burning" in hell is the burning of shame: 
"The Bible describes hell primarily in relational terms--it is 'away from' God. Therefore, it involves banishment from his presence, his purposes, and his followers. "

In other words, Going to hell is like being a jilted ex husband on his wifes gangbang shoot.
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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2010, 04:56:15 PM »

1b. Almost nobody gets eternal punishment

The fact that you believe in eternal punishment means you are fucked up. 

I am not fucked up, and it only happens to the irredeemably bad.

No.  It doesn't.  You believe it does. 

Your beliefs are not to be projected onto beings who do not share your belief.  Stop slopping your shit onto others.  Stop regurgitating rote garbage from uninspired, mediocre practitioners.  They are your issues to deal with. 

Hell is a parable.  It is a moral teaching tool, and it is private.  If you become irredeemably bad, you will lapse into your own private hell, and its certainly not some sort of purgatorial afterlife.  Your job is to understand that, and avoid it with personal moral behavior that promotes a positive life.  Other peoples lives are not your concern unless they effect you directly, and your perceptions of hell are something they will never experience. 

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Re: Mark's Yeshua Problem
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2010, 05:51:31 PM »

Daddy Hellbilly

Say that again. Slowly.
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Re: Mark's Yeshua Problem
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2010, 12:02:37 AM »

What of my argument that all creation is the inherent property of the Creator, to dispose of as He sees fit?

That is what makes him sick and twisted. Allegedly, I was created in his image. I have to assume that means sovereign.

I created my son, Jack, along with his mother, does that mean I get to do with him as I please? What if I created a clone? If I sodomized my Golden Retriever, Fruit Loop and then tortured her to death, would you argue that I am not twisted?

While Hell is a place (condition?) of torment, it is not a place of torture.  God, in fact, gives the unredeemed man exactly what he asks for--the removal of His presence.

God doesn't "torture" a man to death.  Man is spiritually dead from the point of conception.  God allows a person to choose to remain spiritually dead, culminating in eternal death, or He offers the person a chance to be spiritually made alive, through faith in Christ Jesus.

Which reminds me, I didn't answer your original post.  I would venture that "calling on the name of Jesus" is a way of saying calling on Jesus Himself.  Whatever name you call Him, if it is a sincere effort on your part to establish a relationship with Him, then He will respond.
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« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2010, 09:01:47 AM »

hell is having to eternally watch reruns of ''what's happening'' while ellen degeneres fucks you up the ass w/ a strapon & all there is on the radio is herman's hermits songs,
nothing in the fridge but leftover fin n' haddie (salted/smoked fish....cooked in milk...the way me mum used to sicken us wif)
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« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2010, 11:35:03 AM »

I've heard the Bible pronounced "Bob-al," and "Bia-A-bal." I've heard Jesus pronounced as "JEE-e-Sis." I have no idea which is correct.

My rule of thumb is, the more silly the pronunciation the more nonsensical the religion.
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Re: Mark's Yeshua Problem
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2010, 09:23:31 AM »

What of my argument that all creation is the inherent property of the Creator, to dispose of as He sees fit?

That is what makes him sick and twisted. Allegedly, I was created in his image. I have to assume that means sovereign.

I created my son, Jack, along with his mother, does that mean I get to do with him as I please? What if I created a clone? If I sodomized my Golden Retriever, Fruit Loop and then tortured her to death, would you argue that I am not twisted?

While Hell is a place (condition?) of torment, it is not a place of torture.  God, in fact, gives the unredeemed man exactly what he asks for--the removal of His presence.

God doesn't "torture" a man to death.  Man is spiritually dead from the point of conception.  God allows a person to choose to remain spiritually dead, culminating in eternal death, or He offers the person a chance to be spiritually made alive, through faith in Christ Jesus.

Which reminds me, I didn't answer your original post.  I would venture that "calling on the name of Jesus" is a way of saying calling on Jesus Himself.  Whatever name you call Him, if it is a sincere effort on your part to establish a relationship with Him, then He will respond.

I don't feel like you addressed my questions, but if your religion makes you happy, far be it from me.

Sure, Santa Claus has lots of names world over. The kiddies still get their presents if they call him Santa or St. Nick. That was never my issue. My issue is, how can a fair, just god toss me in hell for ever if I an confused by the name change problem in the Bible? It is NOT: do you think me being confused by the Jesus name change issue is a legitimate reason for not believing in the Bible. Which appears to be the question that people most want to answer.

I believe that the Bible is a poor book to base a religion around for many reasons. This is a system that I have for pointing out the Christian's philosophy of Believe or Burn is faulty. 
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Re: Mark's Yeshua Problem
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2010, 10:25:18 AM »

god's going to throw you into hell for calling yourself ''mark edge''
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« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2010, 10:32:11 AM »

My issue is, how can a fair, just god toss me in hell for ever if I an confused by the name change problem in the Bible?

Are there really people who believe God would do that?

Oh, who am I kidding....there are people who think God will toss you into hell for wearing the wrong color of socks.  

Happy Easter!  :)
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Re: Mark's Yeshua Problem
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2010, 01:41:45 PM »

What of my argument that all creation is the inherent property of the Creator, to dispose of as He sees fit?

That is what makes him sick and twisted. Allegedly, I was created in his image. I have to assume that means sovereign.

I created my son, Jack, along with his mother, does that mean I get to do with him as I please? What if I created a clone? If I sodomized my Golden Retriever, Fruit Loop and then tortured her to death, would you argue that I am not twisted?

While Hell is a place (condition?) of torment, it is not a place of torture.  God, in fact, gives the unredeemed man exactly what he asks for--the removal of His presence.

God doesn't "torture" a man to death.  Man is spiritually dead from the point of conception.  God allows a person to choose to remain spiritually dead, culminating in eternal death, or He offers the person a chance to be spiritually made alive, through faith in Christ Jesus.

Which reminds me, I didn't answer your original post.  I would venture that "calling on the name of Jesus" is a way of saying calling on Jesus Himself.  Whatever name you call Him, if it is a sincere effort on your part to establish a relationship with Him, then He will respond.

I don't feel like you addressed my questions, but if your religion makes you happy, far be it from me.

Sure, Santa Claus has lots of names world over. The kiddies still get their presents if they call him Santa or St. Nick. That was never my issue. My issue is, how can a fair, just god toss me in hell for ever if I an confused by the name change problem in the Bible? It is NOT: do you think me being confused by the Jesus name change issue is a legitimate reason for not believing in the Bible. Which appears to be the question that people most want to answer.

I believe that the Bible is a poor book to base a religion around for many reasons. This is a system that I have for pointing out the Christian's philosophy of Believe or Burn is faulty. 
The Bible isn't fair.  And the New Testament "Believe or Burn" is unreasonable.  I like the Old Testament.  No burning in hell for anybody, just God smites you if you're a piece of shit (i.e. Pharaoh, we are celebrating Passover right now anyways).
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