All that happens is a big old bunch of artillery shells get rained down, Hamas and the shields get killed, and then Israel goes, "well we tried not to cause any civillian deaths, but its Hamas fault anyway for taking human shields."
I don't know where you got the impression about "shells raining down" and "bombing the shit out of ..." as it is completely detached from reality. I have told you and shown you time and again that there was no "wild bombing", and that precise identified targets were attacked with pinpoint accuracy. And you still go on with the "wild bombing" rhetoric.
Erm, the IDF, the UN, the PCHR (although the IDF's word is golden)?
3 dead Israeli civilians, 10 dead soldiers, most of whom where killed by other Israelis, and 295(IDF)-900(
PCHR) dead innocent Palestinians.
Yeah, thats not alot of dead innocents, Israel have such a hard time with their 3 civillian deaths.
Hamas are the evil indiscriminate terrorists, yet Israel, by their own estimates kill 100 times more civillians than Hamas.
Yeah the shells weren't raining down, it was hardly a scratch really.
No, Hamas aren't fighting a war that makes it easy to fight them. Do you expect them to? Did the IRA do it? The IRA used IEDs and mortars just like islamic terrorists do, and they hid among a civilian populace so that they couldn't be attacked in the open.
As I have said already in a previous post, guerrilla hiding among civilians, although not very courageous, does not in itself constitute using human shields. It is still a length from what Hamas did - forcing civilians to stay and "guard" targets, using civilian buildings as military structures, either for direct combat or for other purposes, etc etc. I don't think even the meanest IRA bastard ever took a kid piggyback to avoid sniper fire, which was a routine tactic by Hamas COWARDS.
"In similar incidents, the IRA deliberately killed 91 Protestant civilians in 1974-76"11 December 1971: A bomb attack on a furniture shop on the Shankill Road in Belfast killed four Protestant civilians, including two children.20 March 1993: Two IRA bombs exploded in Warrington, killing two children and injuring over fifty peopleOne child murderer is as bad as another in my opinion. I don't see how using a child as a shield for bullets is any worse than deliberately bombing places and killing children in the process. Hamas are cowards, okay, now what. Does this mean its okay to bomb civilian areas.
I don't see how any of this means Israel can't fight a campaign like the UK did.
UK never pursued a policy of shelling residential areas. More UK civilians had died in certain years compared to 2008 in Israel, the year Israel said enough was enough and invaded, yet the UK military never decided that too many civillians had died and now they had
If UK didn't have to do it for 10 times the civilian deaths, and hundreds of times the military casualties, then Israel don't HAVE to do it, they just WANT to do it,
because they know Israeli soldiers dying in battle is much worse come election than having 100 dead palestinians in their place.
The majority of IRA killings where in the forms of bombs and mortars, and some very occasional gun battles. The only way the UK military managed to try and kill and capture IRA terrorists was to go into Ireland, where they would get frequently ambushed and hit by roadside bombs.
IRA terrorists: 293 dead
British Armed Forces: 655 dead
RUC (police): 272 dead
Thats how the readout looks when you're not being a pussy and launching shells into a major city from miles away. Of course you'll never accept that Israel could follow a similar strategy, because that would mean what Israel are doing is horrifically immoral, what with killing thousands of innocent people they didn't have to.
If so, than I can suggest a tactic with which Hamas (or any other PUSSIE terrorist) can conquer the world: strap civilians to all vehicles and "soldiers", execute 10 civilians in Gaza for every round IDF (or any other opposition) fires at you. No sane person, army, or government in the world can stop you right? Don't you understand the bullshit just had to end?
This bullshit has ended has it? As far as I know Hamas are still launching rockets on Israel on a regular basis.
You've engaged in a shell game.
Its indicative of how confused your moral compass is that you can equate Hamas shooting civillians to Israel bombing Hamas and killing civilians in the process.
If you kill a Hamas militant, and they decide to kill some Palestinian, then fuck them, the blood is on their hands, you did nothing wrong.
You didn't make them kill that civillian. They did, the blood is on their hands, and you were justified in killing the Hamas militant in self defense. Just like Hamas aren't making Israel bomb Gaza.
ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT HAMAS DO. Its about what you do. Kill as many people in self defense as you want, but when you kill innocent people, take yourself to a fucking jail cell because you're a murderer.
As I have already explained to you the key differences between Hamas and IRA, both here and previously, let me just add one thing you may not have considered. Most of the Israeli army is not composed of professional soldiers, but of enlisted persons and reserve duty, meaning they are just average Joes like you and I. There is no moral justification to risk mens lives for the remote possibility of saving others, especially when you know that (a) that is exactly the bait the Hamas wants you to bite on, and (b) Hamas are the ones who set the bait: live Palestinian civilians. They could easily have avoided the situation. Guerrilla warfare still does not necessitate use of human shields as Hamas did.
This is simple dodging.
"There is no moral justification to risk mens lives for the remote possibility of saving others, especially when you know that (a) that is exactly the bait the Hamas wants you to bite on, and (b) Hamas are the ones who set the bait: live Palestinian civilians. They could easily have avoided the situation. Guerrilla warfare still does not necessitate use of human shields as Hamas did."
Israel is the ones enlisting people into the IDF.
Fine, don't risk Israeli soldiers lives with ground operations in Gaza, but then don't risk innocent Palestinians
Its completely fucking ridiculous to say an 18 year old male with body armor, an assault rifle, and billions of dollars of logistics support, can't be risked in battle, but we can kill 100 times more Palestinian civilians through artillery bombardments if it means not sending that man into battle.
What you're essentially saying is, we can't risk Israeli soldiers lives by sending them into dangerous place, but we can risk Palestinian civillian lives because we need to kill Hamas, but we can't risk Israeli soldiers doing it, so its okay to risk Palestinian innocents. Even women or children, anything to avoid Israeli soldiers being put at risk.
What about the moral justification for killing innocent Palestinians? Shit, I forgot, IDF soldiers are "average joes", like you or me.
Except for the ones that launch artillery shells on residential areas knowing innocent people will die. I'm nothing like those immoral fuckers, or apparently anything like you.
All the reasons you've given that Israel have to kill innocent people in order to effectively fight Hamas I have disproved with my correlaries with IRA and the UK.
I've already shown how the UK military where willing to suffer 100 times the losses the IDF has in order not to fight a campaign exactly, where you use long distance weapons to keep your troops safe, and let innocent people take the risk soldiers should be taking.