Drama in the Free State

[freeAgent]

Mackler is a attorney? Explains why his posts from la-la land make little sense to me.

Yes, Mackler is an NH accredited lawyer.

Btw, I'm not the only one who figured out #3. The bank's lawyers, who are very experienced, figured that out, as well. Had that case gone to trial they wouldn't have pulled any punches, and it would have come out that an NH lawyer had used the NH justice system to deprive a corporation of it's property, in felony violation of RSA 545a. Furthermore, the mountain of evidence I have is also damning on another level: his ability to practice law in NH. Just his smear website alone is enough for a complaint to the BAR association (something a lawyer who is unaffiliated with this case tells me I MUST do, to protect the profession. He is/was aghast that another lawyer would act so unprofessionally).

From the sound of it, he should be disbarred.

[alaric89]

Never understood why anyone would bother. A lawyer is scum. I like having them clearly marked. Are there any other jobs where one can be fired because one was too principled?

As a aside a good general rule of thumb is deal with a lawyer like one deals with a cop. Only do so if one absolutely has no choice. They don't live in your world, they don't have the same rules and they have less accountability. They are dangerous.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Never understood why anyone would bother. A lawyer is scum. I like having them clearly marked. Are there any other jobs where one can be fired because one was too principled?

The Military?
The Police?
Teaching?

...apparently, most government jobs?  In many, it seems to be the only thing, except maybe pedophilia, that'll do the trick.

[freeAgent]

Never understood why anyone would bother. A lawyer is scum. I like having them clearly marked. Are there any other jobs where one can be fired because one was too principled?

As a aside a good general rule of thumb is deal with a lawyer like one deals with a cop. Only do so if one absolutely has no choice. They don't live in your world, they don't have the same rules and they have less accountability. They are dangerous.

I'm going to have to disagree.  There are a lot of lawyers who are fine people (and professionals).  That's why it's important to weed out the bad ones...just like in any industry.  Look at places like IJ if you want an example of lawyers who are extremely principled and are not "fired".

[alaric89]

You can be a cop or a soldier and not be fired for being principled. There are no actual rules preventing one from doing the right thing. Like a defense lawyer not letting his guilty client off the hook and what not.
I like to think I stuck to my principles when I was a soldier. 

[Cognitive Dissident]

You can be a cop or a soldier and not be fired for being principled. There are no actual rules preventing one from doing the right thing. Like a defense lawyer not letting his guilty client off the hook and what not.
I like to think I stuck to my principles when I was a soldier. 

It depends on your principles.  If your principles include, at a minimum, the constitution, you can't have principles.  If you're a soldier, you're going to not fight in an unconstitutional war--see how that works for you.  If you're a cop, you're not going to enforce drug laws.  See how that works for you.  Ask Brad the cohost what happens to you if you even ADVOCATE against the drug war.

[alaric89]

It can be done. It just isn't easy.
As a lawyer though, you literally have to try and win for your client even if he confessed to you and came in his pants while he described the crime. 

[Turd Ferguson]

As a lawyer though, you literally have to try and win for your client even if he confessed to you and came in his pants while he described the crime. 

Same goes for a prosecutor, but in reverse. The whole process is disgusting. They might know full well you are innocent of a crime, but getting that win under their belt is more important than facts in many cases.

[alaric89]

Can't argue with that. Although I don't think a prosecuter would be disbarred for doing the right thing, they just generally blaze ahead with ruining lives either because they think it would be good for their career or just for kicks. Hence my general belief that the lawyers at the bottom of the sea idea is a pretty good one

[Turd Ferguson]

+1

[Dalebert]

Same goes for a prosecutor, but in reverse.

Wait, are we talking about the ideal behavior for a prosecutor, like in the theoretical case in which they have principles? Because they are supposed to only pick the cases in which they believe the defendant is guilty. If the evidence is sketchy, they should drop the case, and for sure if they actually think the defendant is not guilty. They totally have discretion and part of their job is supposed to be picking the cases well.

[alaric89]

But they don't. Don't you have to be a defense scumbag for years before you can be a prosecuting scumbag with "discretion"?
They couldn't just admit to the unwashed masses that a prosecuter has to be a throat cutting peace of shit, so they just make sure he or she has to work for years being able to be a scumbag because they have to be before they get any discretion or chance to be human.
How heavy a cement block does one need to sink a lawyer? It surely has to be heavier then one for a person because of all the hot air.

[ox]

But they don't. Don't you have to be a defense scumbag for years before you can be a prosecuting scumbag with "discretion"?
They couldn't just admit to the unwashed masses that a prosecuter has to be a throat cutting peace of shit, so they just make sure he or she has to work for years being able to be a scumbag because they have to be before they get any discretion or chance to be human.
How heavy a cement block does one need to sink a lawyer? It surely has to be heavier then one for a person because of all the hot air.

Your ignorance is showing.  Plus, "defense scumbag"?  Right.  Until the day that you get wrongfully accused.

[alaric89]

If the cops ever get the drop on me again I will be quite guilty. I don't make the same mistake twice.
 However please inform me why a world with lawyers is better then one without.
 I don't want to hate lawyers, experience with them made me do so.
 Please tell me a story where a lawyer helped someone against anything but other lawyers.
 Thank you in advance.

[ox]

If the cops ever get the drop on me again I will be quite guilty. I don't make the same mistake twice.

Yes, the wrongfully accused and the wrongfully convicted are always the ones at fault. 

However please inform me why a world with lawyers is better then one without.

This query is inane.  I think it is the monopoly system to which you object, not to the members themselves.

I don't want to hate lawyers, experience with them made me do so.

You have experience with every lawyer on earth?

Please tell me a story where a lawyer helped someone against anything but other lawyers.
 Thank you in advance.

Not sure if you want an example of something nice that I did for someone in my family just today, or maybe this recent case where we opened up a jail's mail policy a little bit for all prisoners and their correspondents, or maybe you're looking for an example like this trial lawyers charitable foundation that he runs on the side: http://www.keenanskidsfoundation.com/

There are countless examples of lawyers doing good deeds for others.