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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13322.msg229025#msg229025
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Haha.
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Man, I can really cancel my TV now. This is better/worse than Days of Our Lives.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13322.msg229025#msg229025
It sounds like someone cheated on someone with someone else. Shitty, yes. But how does this fit into your master plan of how the FSP is doomed?
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13322.msg229025#msg229025
It sounds like someone cheated on someone with someone else. Shitty, yes. But how does this fit into your master plan of how the FSP is doomed?
It's not my plan, I just report.
from the thread:
first ever Free State move-out party will be held shortly.
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Sharon Ankrom has been sleeping with Bill Walker for the past month.
:roll:
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Sharon Ankrom has been sleeping with Bill Walker for the past month.
:roll:
I'm actually sort of perplexed on why it's such a huge issue, that deserves discussion on an internet forum. Two internet forums, even. Two pretty politics-centric internet forums. I mean, extra-marrital affairs are unfortunately pretty commonplace these days, and of course it still sucks for everyone involved...but it seems like only those three people should be involved. :?
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After finishing the entirety of the thread over on NHUnderground so far, I think I see why so many people are upset at the slut. I'm going to call her the slut because I can't figure out what her actual name is and why she has more than one. Still, I don't think I'd want the tubes clogged with a mess about my cheating husband.
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After finishing the entirety of the thread over on NHUnderground so far, I think I see why so many people are upset at the slut. I'm going to call her the slut because I can't figure out what her actual name is and why she has more than one. Still, I don't think I'd want the tubes clogged with a mess about my cheating husband.
Oh God. I'm going to try and say as little as possible because I don't really want to be involved in the drama. I actually encouraged them to take this off-line. Anyhoo, I don't know all the details, but apparently this is just sort of a last straw for this person- a drama magnet. They're keeping it public so that people will know what they're getting into and hopefully avoid this person and the associated drama.
<subject change> So how's the weather wherever you're at?</subject change>
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I find one of the funniest things is that some people are telling her to leave the state..... FSPers think they own the place :lol:
The sucky part is I think they all have kids. :(
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The sucky part is I think they all have kids.
We're not just fuckin'... we're fuckin' for freedom!
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The sucky part is I think they all have kids.
We're not just fuckin'... we're fuckin' for freedom!
I guess some people look at divoce as freedom :?
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I guess some people look at divoce as freedom :?
Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
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I guess some people look at divoce as freedom :?
Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
Now they just make the guy pay.
You can call alimony and child support freedom if you want to.
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geez, people cheat on each other in NH?????
why oh why
this scandal could end the Free State Project. . . then could kill every human being within a 30 mile radius. . . . if it goes too far, the moon will move out of Earth's orbit and then we'll really be fucked. The sky, is indeed falling. How could we be so stupid to move to a state where people cheat on each other.
goodbye cruel world haha
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I guess some people look at divoce as freedom :?
Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
Now they just make the guy pay.
You can call alimony and child support freedom if you want to.
Russel considers it freedom.
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geez, people cheat on each other in NH?????
or free staters fuck eachother over
nice group of "friends"
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I wonder why any of you think human nature won't happen here?
Shit happens, life goes on.
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who said everyone has to be friends?
as if friends don't fuck each other over in every other state and country in the entire world.
oops there goes the moon
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I guess some people look at divoce as freedom :?
Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
Now they just make the guy pay.
You can call alimony and child support freedom if you want to.
Russel considers it freedom.
yea...I think he said he is $120,000 in the rears for child support.
I would guess that is why he doesn't have a drivers license. The state takes it when you are a "dead beat dad". That is probably also the reason he doesn't use his social security number...cus his wages would be garnished up to 60%.
But it's nice that he lets people think it cus he is such a freedom lover.
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as if friends don't fuck each other over in every other state and country in the entire world.
They are not trying to take over a state.
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yea...I think he said he $120,000 in the rears for child support.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=7555.msg133707#msg133707
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geez, people cheat on each other in NH?????
or free staters fuck eachother over
nice group of "friends"
not that im trying to be conspiritorial...just thinking hypothetically:
would it be out of the realm of reason to think that the feds are planting smokin' hot harlots* into the movement in an effort to break up families and cause distractions? you know...totally suck as much energy out of the movement as possible?
*is she even hot?
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=7555.msg133707#msg133707
Interesting how many of the accounts on that thread are deleted
would it be out of the realm of reason to think that the feds are planting smokin' hot harlots* into the movement in an effort to break up families and cause distractions?
Totally stupid idea.
Then again, only about as crazy a plan as putting Thallium salt into Castro's shoes to make his beard fall out. (http://www.newser.com/story/19573.html)
*is she even hot?
No.
Personally, I always assumed she had done a lot of cocaine and/or been a prostitute in her sordid past. She just gave off that vibe. And had that sunken, looks-older-than-she-probably-is appearance. OTOH, she always dressed real skimpy and never missed an opportunity to "casually" touch guys just a little longer than normal social interaction would require.
That said, I never thought of her as being a "bad" person... just someone in whose life I'd avoid getting entangled in any way whatsoever, beyond giving my drink order and leaving a tip.
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Isn't she the same chick that had some weirdness going on with NHArticleTen?
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=7555.msg133707#msg133707
Interesting how many of the accounts on that thread are deleted
What is a thread?
I'm not sure why, but Kat didn't delete my account when she banned me:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=992
It's almost hilarious that they delete some of your posts.
http://forumnazis.com/
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This is silly.
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Bill cheated with Ivy, is this really a big deal. Maybe, which goes to my next question. Did Bill and Kate have kids, I didn't know that?
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would it be out of the realm of reason to think that the feds are planting smokin' hot harlots* into the movement in an effort to break up families and cause distractions? you know...totally suck as much energy out of the movement as possible?
I'm embarassed to say that the suspicion of social sabotage, and even with this particular person, and even before this particular incident, has entered my mind. However, not being the conspiratorial type, I banished the thought.
On the other hand, there is this: http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20168.0
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Isn't she the same chick that had some weirdness going on with NHArticleTen?
I'd like to know who that space cadet in his avatar is.
AS for the other thing, I don't care. Its been stated she's not hot, according to Denis who I presume knows quality poontang when he sees it. If she were hot, I'd make a mental note of it and file it under "possible to put my cock in" if I ever happen to make my way to NH for some event... which is about as likely as me showing up in Tibet.
(Draw your own conclusions on the possibility of my traveling to Tibet)
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Isn't she the same chick that had some weirdness going on with NHArticleTen?
I'd like to know who that space cadet in his avatar is.
Nevermind.
It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...
Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid.
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Its been stated she's not hot, according to Denis who I presume knows quality poontang when he sees it. If she were hot, I'd make a mental note of it and file it under "possible to put my cock in" if I ever happen to make my way to NH for some event...
Denis has good judgment. : )
Do yourself a favor and scrub that mental note....I can't seem to post a picture, or I could share what this "hottie" looks like....
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Its been stated she's not hot, according to Denis who I presume knows quality poontang when he sees it. If she were hot, I'd make a mental note of it and file it under "possible to put my cock in" if I ever happen to make my way to NH for some event...
Denis has good judgment. : )
Do yourself a favor and scrub that mental note....I can't seem to post a picture, or I could share what this "hottie" looks like....
If he's seen Dave Ridley's jello wrestling event (youtube video) which was posted here a while back - she was the blond in the match, wasn't she?
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I guess some people look at divoce as freedom :?
Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
Now they just make the guy pay.
You can call alimony and child support freedom if you want to.
Russel considers it freedom.
yea...I think he said he is $120,000 in the rears for child support.
I would guess that is why he doesn't have a drivers license. The state takes it when you are a "dead beat dad". That is probably also the reason he doesn't use his social security number...cus his wages would be garnished up to 60%.
But it's nice that he lets people think it cus he is such a freedom lover.
Hey .... that must be me you are talking about. Why do I lose a small 'l' when people don't like me?
You are mostly right. Having the government enforce my exwife's wishes helped me see how bad the whole system was. i do love freedom though ... don't we all?
I know Blackie ... by the internet ... do I know you bonerjoe?
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Hey .... that must be me you are talking about. Why do I lose a small 'l' when people don't like me?
You are mostly right. Having the government enforce my exwife's wishes helped me see how bad the whole system was. i do love freedom though ... don't we all?
I know Blackie ... by the internet ... do I know you bonerjoe?
I'm sure BJ was just trying to do his part for conservation, but lacks the comitment to reduce his use of double leters beyond 50%?
As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Is a shame the states don't drop out when the parents start working together. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
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Do yourself a favor and scrub that mental note....I can't seem to post a picture, or I could share what this "hottie" looks like....
Here you go....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK3wJmNPQn8
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Can she call off the california child support enforcement
Fat chance...
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It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...
Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid.
:cry:
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It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...
Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid.
:cry:
Get it fixed.
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It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...
Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid.
:cry:
Get it fixed.
I never even used both of them until high school, and I still don't sign both of them most of the time.
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It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...
Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid.
:cry:
Its meant for marriage reasons. When formally adopted you're to make a choice, and I guess the hyphenation is one of the choices, but it's probably the lesser of the three.. meaning old, new or hyphenated. I'm guessing you did it as an acquiescence to Horhay and mom - if you had a choice at all. Often, parents will have a mentality like "what will the neighbors think?" it's kinda meant for show. If I was in a mixed marriage situation and the kid had any qualms I wouldn't insist, the kids identity and emotional connections with the past is more important than my opinions. Any legal reasons are bullshit, insurance doesn't care as long as you can show legal custody.
Just sayin. I'm speaking from the POV of a dad. If I expired and my X pulled shenanigans like that on my kids I'd be pissed - and the little Braskys would be, too. Its their choice, nobody elses.
Luckily, my opinions on legality and government and morals have been slowly absorbed into her thick skull, at a glacial pace, but still absorbed nonetheless. I would rule from whatever dimension I inhabit, with softball-sized hail and lightning to punctuate my displeasure. Nests of vipers. Reality becomes blurry in my presence. Theres no doubt I would muster the force to reach through the thin ethereal and choke a bitch on occasion.
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No, I didn't do it at all. My parents weren't married when I was born, and the hospital wouldn't allow them to put just my father's last name on the birth certificate or something. They told me once years ago, but I wasn't really listening. It had something to do with them not being married, though.
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No, I didn't do it at all. My parents weren't married when I was born, and the hospital wouldn't allow them to put just my father's last name on the birth certificate or something. They told me once years ago, but I wasn't really listening. It had something to do with them not being married, though.
Hospitals are chock full of assholes. They often know not of what they speak. The fathers name is law, if his name is on the BC and its not disputed. If theres any static, it's because the mother put her two cents in, and wanted things to be partially her way.
Sometimes they'll actually lie to the father and tell him bullshit, and talk to the mother privately. If the mother says its his kid and he doesn't dispute it, it gets the fathers name if both parents agree.
It could even vary from case to case within the hospital, depending on which cunt is working the social worker job that day.
I hate people in bureaucratic positions. Thats the stuff that starts the ball rolling on many problems. They bend to Planned Parenthood and pressure single moms to consider adoption, when they should just shut their fucking mouths. I would suggest any young moms who go into a hospital to give birth carry a stack of lawyers business cards. Every time someone says one strange thing to them, hand them a card. The lawyer would surely give her a fat stack of cards to carry, he'd be delighted.
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It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...
Just to clarify, what I called Douchey was John Shaw's posting of NHA10's widely-known personal info, not NHA10 himself. No offense meant to either guy.
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Well, the Free State Pronject appears to be right on track, per usual.
Congrats.
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The sucky part is I think they all have kids. :(
I can only imagine your parents never divorced or you're an oversensitive whiner.
Parents divorcing is rarely distressing for kids in my personal experience, and it definately is not an obligatorily upsetting situation. "staying together for the kids" is just nuts.
My parents are two separate people. If one or both no longer wants to be in a relationship then I'm happy for them to make a change. The only difference it has made to my childhood is I got Christmas at 2 houses instead of 1. Even at the age of 6, I understood that my . In my early, so if anything divorce was a positive affect on my relationship with my parents.
Out of all my close friends whose parents divorced non of them feel like they have lost out in any respect of their childhood or relationship. Not to say that divorcing can't be an upsetting for children, but in those cases any distress is just a symptom of bad parenting, there is no reason why 2 smart, caring parents can't amicably divorce without adversely affecting their children's lives. If anything 2 people staying in an unhealthy relationship for the "sake of the kids" will only cause more bad feeling and friction that is even more likely to spill over onto the kids. If there has been major emotional turmoil between a couple with kids, the last thing they need is to try and pretend nothing happen and contain all that anger and distress into one household.
My parents were both very considerate to the feelings of me and my siblings at the time, and they way over estimated how big a deal it was.
In my opinion, all the hype around divorce affecting kids just adds more credence to the ideal nuclear family myth, and gives more pathetic people a chance to bitch about something in their life that has no real significance.
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I don't think there are kids involved in this case.
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Only one party has kids, an it ain't the married one.
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No, I didn't do it at all. My parents weren't married when I was born, and the hospital wouldn't allow them to put just my father's last name on the birth certificate or something. They told me once years ago, but I wasn't really listening. It had something to do with them not being married, though.
Hospitals are chock full of assholes. They often know not of what they speak. The fathers name is law, if his name is on the BC and its not disputed. If theres any static, it's because the mother put her two cents in, and wanted things to be partially her way.
Sometimes they'll actually lie to the father and tell him bullshit, and talk to the mother privately. If the mother says its his kid and he doesn't dispute it, it gets the fathers name if both parents agree.
It could even vary from case to case within the hospital, depending on which cunt is working the social worker job that day.
I hate people in bureaucratic positions. Thats the stuff that starts the ball rolling on many problems. They bend to Planned Parenthood and nwould surely give her a fat stack of cards to carry, he'd be delighted.
I honestly have no idea. I mean, they were both present during the birth, just not married. They did it wrong. They got married later, and then divorced, and then lived together for ten years after that.
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As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
Our big breakthrough last May .... was that she allowed me to actually see my kids for the first time in 4 years. I don't know when I will see them again.
She still wants me to pay.
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It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...
Just to clarify, what I called Douchey was John Shaw's posting of NHA10's widely-known personal info, not NHA10 himself. No offense meant to either guy.
Just to clarify, what I posted was from NHA10's explanation of who the chick in his avatar is, and I changed his name to Douchey LaRue. Because I mean to be offensive.
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As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
Our big breakthrough last May .... was that she allowed me to actually see my kids for the first time in 4 years. I don't know when I will see them again.
She still wants me to pay.
I have a friend who pays $800 per month in child support to his ex-wife for his son. She wants more. She is a nurse, who makes pretty fucking good money on her own, takes the $800 in child support for that kid, and has two other kids with her OTHER ex, whom she collects $1600 per month from. I just can't identify with the greedy bitches. I just can't. :(
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As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
Our big breakthrough last May .... was that she allowed me to actually see my kids for the first time in 4 years. I don't know when I will see them again.
She still wants me to pay.
I have a friend who pays $800 per month in child support to his ex-wife for his son. She wants more. She is a nurse, who makes pretty fucking good money on her own, takes the $800 in child support for that kid, and has two other kids with her OTHER ex, whom she collects $1600 per month from. I just can't identify with the greedy bitches. I just can't. :(
this...
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The sucky part is I think they all have kids. :(
I can only imagine your parents never divorced or you're an oversensitive whiner.
I'm glad I was thinking of different bill + kate couple.
Divorces like this don't go well. But anyway, it's nice that your parents had a "happy" divorce. Did they have a party?
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As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
Our big breakthrough last May .... was that she allowed me to actually see my kids for the first time in 4 years. I don't know when I will see them again.
She still wants me to pay.
I have a friend who pays $800 per month in child support to his ex-wife for his son. She wants more. She is a nurse, who makes pretty fucking good money on her own, takes the $800 in child support for that kid, and has two other kids with her OTHER ex, whom she collects $1600 per month from. I just can't identify with the greedy bitches. I just can't. :(
this...
In NH child support is a percentage of your pay. I guess the feds can garish your pay up to 60%...but a guy I work with pays something like $2400 for two kids, and he had custody of one.
He got kicked of the the house by the cops, who showed up one night and told him he had five minutes to gather up his shit, and, they took his guns. And he couldn't go back without a police escort. Pretty much ever again. He also had to pay the property taxes on the house until it got sold a year and a half later.
http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/bin/THINKING/Silver_bullet.htm
The "Silver Bullet Technique"
The "silver bullet" technique involves a carefully contrived, and set up false accusation of Domestic abuse, or, when possible, the provocation of real incident of Domestic abuse. Those who perpetrate this scam will make the charge of Domestic abuse, no matter what their victim does, or fails to do.
In many cases they close joint bank accounts, and make doctors appointments, BEFORE they create the "incident".
It happens hundreds of times every day.
This technique is being taught by political activists, who pose as victim's advocates. It is a means of gaining advantage, in any confrontation- particularly divorce. It gives the complaining party (referred to as the "victim"), immediate exclusive custody to the house, to the contents of the house, and to the children. It gives the REAL VICTIM (referred to as the "Defendant") the responsibility for all of the bills, while he is trying to deal with suddenly becoming homeless.
The perpetrators call themselves "victims".
The REAL victims generally do not have a clue what was done to them.
Over and over we see the following interesting phenomenon:
1. A marriage has existed for decades. There was never a call to 911, never a policeman in the house, never a complaint to family court, never a complaint to the Department of Social Services, never a time when the wife left the house "to avoid abuse".
2. The wife goes to see a divorce attorney, for reasons known only to herself.
3. Within a few weeks there is a call to 911, police in the house, a complaint to family court, a complaint to the Department of Social Services. On the night of the alleged abuse the wife leaves the house "to avoid abuse". The next day she has her husband thrown out of the house by the court.
4. OF COURSE, the divorce attorney claims no involvement in creating such a strange change in the pattern of this marriage.
The first step is usually a complaint for relief from "domestic abuse". This is filed in Family Court Relief from "domestic abuse" is a civil action for restraining orders.
"Separate the combatants" is the goal of the family court. There is very little consideration given to the question of who is to blame. The more important consideration is the question of which "combatant" is best able to deal with suddenly becoming homeless.
It does not take too long to figure out that it is usually the man, who suddenly becomes homeless.
Women generally know this, when they complain.
This is not a game for tramps only. If the most exalted love of your life ever becomes "a woman scorned", you could STILL SEE THIS HAPPEN. Most of these "women scorned" scenarios involve WIVES.
The "silver bullet" technique is a system of stripping you of your property, your right to own a gun, and your freedom. It can put you out of you own home, with no access to your own money, your children, or your possessions. It can cause you unlimited legal expenses. It can turn your friends and family against you.
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When I got banned from the http://forumnazi.com site, it was ivy that was so upset by my comment:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13160.msg226492#msg226492
They are saying worse stuff about her.
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News flash, more and different drama...
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.0
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If he likes it so much, they should just keep him in there for good.
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If he likes it so much, they should just keep him in there for good.
Apparently, you've never heard of CD before. Are you even an FTL listener?
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If he likes it so much, they should just keep him in there for good.
Apparently, you've never heard of CD before.
I have, and I think it just makes you look dumb.
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I guess now it is time for the couple of buffoons to whip out there FREE RUSSEL KANNING t-shirts and make like he is some kind of hero for being a fucking idiot.
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I prefer not to use the term
Anarcho Capitalist Civil Disobediance, I prefer Free Marketeer "Making A Fucking Scene and Fixing Nothing"
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Most of what you guys are saying is true.
Token counterpoint: That "outlaw manicurist" guy, Michael Fisher, did some CD, got arrested, got people talking about the stupid NH laws concerning license requirements for health & beauty spa people, and those requirements were subsequently rolled back. I know.. whoop-dee-doo.
If the same was done for engineering (or any field where the regulations aren't totally absurd) that would encourage me to move. Fat chance though, because the statist's "Safety and Welfare of the Public" argument has a hell of a lot more clout when you're talking bridge beams and skyscrapers.. vs. hair and fingernails.
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Are you even an FTL listener?
He's just a whiny bastard that sticks to the FTL forum like a heroin addict.
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and those requirements were subsequently rolled back
Do you have evidence to back this up?
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Are you even an FTL listener?
He's just a whiny bastard that sticks to the FTL forum like a heroin addict.
At least I didn't move to NH for a pipe dream.
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"Russell's being held on $10,000 bail. ... Now he's in jail for not paying child support"
Guess he thought they were fucking around about that shit. Haha.
Of course I don't agree with using government force to collect what should be a voluntary payment. But, that doesn't mean they ain't gonna git ya.
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and those requirements were subsequently rolled back
Do you have evidence to back this up?
http://nhindymedia.org/newswire/display/2577/index.php
Legislator to sponsor "Outlaw Manicurist" bill
Over two months after going to jail for performing an unlicensed manicure, Newmarket resident Mike Fisher is still reaping rewards for his sacrifice. This week State Representative Paul Hopfgarten publicly announced he would sponsor legislation easing barriers to entry for aspiring manicurists and other cosmetic startups.
"We'd need to craft it in such a way that it would be palatable to the majority of the House and Senate," writes the Derry Republican, "but YES, I would be willing to sponsor."
On May 9, Fisher appeared outside the the Board of Barbering, Cosmetology, and Esthetics office in Concord and began administering for-profit manicures without a license. Board representatives called police, who then cuffed and jailed him when he refused to stop. Fisher aimed to draw attention to the idea that "in a free country, you do not need permission from the government to start a business." He succeeded in achieving statewide headlines, but now he's achieved something more: the promise of legislative action to ease business regulation.
"I think that would be awesome," says Fisher. "It's a very hopeful development to see that we're getting support from all different types of people."
The exact wording has yet to be determined. But Fisher has said he hopes the bill will significantly reduce the number of hours of training required to attain a license from the Board and limit required training to issues that have to do with customer safety only. Currently the state requires hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars worth of schooling to buff a nail for profit.
but looking at the current requirements..
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXX/313-A/313-A-mrg.htm
313-A:12 Qualifications; Manicurists. – A person, to be issued a manicurist's license by the board, shall, in addition to satisfying the requirements of RSA 313-A:11, I(a), (b), and (e):
I. Have completed a course of at least 300 hours of professional training in manicuring, in a school approved by the board and passed an examination conducted by the board; or
II. Have satisfied the requirement set out in RSA 313-A:11, I(d) and, as an apprentice in a salon, received, in the opinion of the board, the equivalent of the course required under paragraph I.
Still 300 hours of training required. Achievement: lip service. Sons of bitches. Well, I guess that demolishes the last scrap of hope I had for the CD gang. Sad.
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At least I didn't move to NH for a pipe dream.
Yeah, I guess posting on a BBS is your idea of giving a shit.
Good job Gandi.
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im not to going to read through all that shit, but i have a question for those who live up there from someone who thinks it sounds like a great idea..
is it really such a small community of individuals that everyone not only knows one anothers personal affairs, but actually gets off on choosing sides and creating a scandal?
maybe its my limited exposure, but from the interactions i see here and reports about the other forum- this movement is already as bad as any other. im hoping its just the type of people who like to frequent internet forums and cause a little ruckus now and then.
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At least I didn't move to NH for a pipe dream.
Yeah, I guess posting on a BBS is your idea of giving a shit.
Good job Gandi.
You know I won, so shut up.
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is it really such a small community of individuals that everyone
Do the math... there are 500_ FSPers in-state.
Most of them don't listen to FTL.
Most of them don't post on NHFree, or on here.
Most of them have at least met many of the others -- after all, having moved, wouldn't you want to at least go to a BBQ or "Meet The Porcs" house party to see who these people are? Plus if you're politically active, you see the other FSPers, at LP events, in the State House, at the Ron Paul meetups, or similar such.
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is it really such a small community of individuals that everyone not only knows one anothers personal affairs, but actually gets off on choosing sides and creating a scandal?
No. Hell, even the various FTL hosts don't know quite a few things about each other. I given money to and stayed with people in NH and they don't even know my full name. But, considering the movement started around 2000, some people have known each other for years and people tell people things about themself.
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good to know fellers. cant never tell these days what with the ways people are.
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good to know fellers. cant never tell these days what with the ways people are.
There are lots of people in NH like you. :(
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http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/bin/THINKING/Silver_bullet.htm
The "Silver Bullet Technique"
The "silver bullet" technique involves a carefully contrived, and set up false accusation of Domestic abuse, or, when possible, the provocation of real incident of Domestic abuse. Those who perpetrate this scam will make the charge of Domestic abuse, no matter what their victim does, or fails to do.
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The "silver bullet" technique is a system of stripping you of your property, your right to own a gun, and your freedom. It can put you out of you own home, with no access to your own money, your children, or your possessions. It can cause you unlimited legal expenses. It can turn your friends and family against you.
I know many divorce lawyers in Georgia will file for a restraining order as part of the initial filing, just to scare the crap out of the husband and make it easier to get concessions - which I think is a shitty thing to do without cause. There have been appeals to remove the restraining orders by men who were no longer able to purchase or own guns, including some police officers.
But... Holy crap! I've never seen this full plan before.
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good to know fellers. cant never tell these days what with the ways people are.
There are lots of people in NH like you. :(
hey Blackie, how you doing buddy?
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You know I won, so shut up.
You're right, here is your trophy.
(http://www.forumapex.com/attachments/anything_goes/8051d1070806039-13th_annual_asshat_awards-sshat_trophy.jpg)
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hey Blackie, how you doing buddy?
awesome!
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You know I won, so shut up.
You're right, here is your trophy.
(http://www.forumapex.com/attachments/anything_goes/8051d1070806039-13th_annual_asshat_awards-sshat_trophy.jpg)
Awesome!
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Are you even an FTL listener?
He's just a whiny bastard that sticks to the FTL forum like a heroin addict.
Is it better to whine in groups?
I don't like to depend on people. I don't change my tune... or alter my opinions... or KEEP QUIET WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY due to the influence of people who would consider me a noob within their ranks. You know, in certain groups, you have to establish yourself within the pecking order, and this particular group definitely has a pecking order. I don't take kindly to people who feel they are superior to me simply because they've been there longer, or that their exposure to a certain element somehow makes them more intelligent or my opinions are imperfect, insignificant, or immature within the constructs of the group - as if I was just born under the front porch, just because they've never seen my face - while others who have deeper social connections are tolerated and spew idiocy, and they feel that they're in the position of elite, king-makers who would fail miserably in a world where they're judged on merit and not how many years they've been among a crowd. Much like Anton's argument that post count doesn't matter here in a forum, which is true to a certain degree, it also applies to real life, and much more severely.
Fuck the herd mentality. I don't have a problem with people who organize to communicate and agree on a direction to nudge the voting issues, that is commendable. Its how every other ideology operates, and what must be done to enact reforms of "our" own desire. But the borderline commune mentality bothers me. Join us, and you will benefit in numerous ways. We will help you, if you help us. Well, guess what? I would like to receive that help within a society, but I don't want to give out more than I get. I don't want to meet a few people and get help moving my couch, and then be expected to move everyone elses couch. And so, I reject the offered community and its help. I will build my own life and social network, expect nothing from it, and owe it nothing in return - in my state, which is no better or worse, depending on individual issues.
Its certainly not so much better in NH to make me throw everything away, and its unlikely it ever could be. People fail to realize most of their time is spent in private, where anything goes, and if you're smart enough you can live your life in any manner you desire, no matter where you are.
And, I won't have to amend my opinions. I won't have to wonder if they're acceptable to the group. I prefer the group to be eclectic and dynamic, rather than like-minded and fickle.
Amusingly enough, Puke has me on ignore - and he uses ignore often. A young man with military background, and very opinionated, as if his time is so valuable that he can't be bothered to see very similar comments, from the other side of the river. It disturbs me that he and a few select others who are among the cabal of NH supporters consider themselves to be superior, as this is where the majority of my "ignorers" come from. I guess they just don't like to see people who are close enough in proximity to their own beliefs, yet won't bend to the majority out of social necessity.
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If you're content to live w/i your 4 walls--great. Most aren't. As for Puke, my guess is he's busy promoting freedom and doesn't need to be bothered with busybodies that constantly pooh-pooh any action towards freedom. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But when I move next year, I probably won't spend too much time nit-picking back and forth with people who aren't worth talking to. So, keep wasting your time on this pathetic thread.
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So, keep wasting your time on this pathetic thread.
OK.
What about game night at Ivy's?
Will Russell get out for burning porcupine?
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If you're content to live w/i your 4 walls--great. Most aren't.
I should live where? Outdoors? In other peoples houses?
Everybody lives inside their houses. You have very few problems living inside your house. Concentrate on the problems you experience within your home.
Think about those possible situations that could fuck with you inside your home.
I'll give you a minute to think about them...
So, problems inside your home. What have you identified?
Federal problems. Wiretap. Bank policies. Guns. Income Tax. Social Security. The Draft. The War.
Grow up.
Moving to NH won't solve those problems. Only a fucking idiot would think moving into another state changes the federal statutes.
If you expect the quality of your day-to-day life to raise because you moved to a state where other people will help you live better, YOU ARE A FAILURE because you needed help.
Don't confuse the generosity of the local people for a change of the policy of the state. Those are two totally different things. People who think their lives are better due to charity are short sighted. This is the allure of the FSP.
I call it predatory charity.
I defy and challenge all new FSP participants.
Move there, and accept nothing. Decline any involvement. Don't meet people, don't accept anything.
If you are totally committed, it shouldn't matter to you.
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Sure, but why shouldn't you meet people or get involved?
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As for Puke, my guess is he's busy promoting freedom and doesn't need to be bothered with busybodies that constantly pooh-pooh any action towards freedom. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But when I move next year, I probably won't spend too much time nit-picking back and forth with people who aren't worth talking to. So, keep wasting your time on this pathetic thread.
Guess away.
I think "promoting freedom" is a bullshit answer.
He's useless.
Don't suggest he is able to "bring it". Especially against me.
He has me on ignore because he is fail. Not because he is able.
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For the record, I don't even know Puke--but typically I'm inclined to stand up for FSP folks. I consider myself the political type and think that joining a consolidated group of libertarians is the only way to go. Obviously, the RP thing didn't work out. Plenty are trying to work w/i the GOP and play the party game in their respective states. To them I say good luck. I just don't want to waste the rest of my life fighting for liberty to no avail. I might have came off like a jerk, but I think its time to make a 'move.' For me, the FSP is the only answer. And by referring to 4 walls, I was reflecting on one poster who seemed to think you can have freedom by just shacking up. I can respect those who have other views but I will always make it known what I think. I know we can't escape the Fed rules as long as NH is a state. But, the key is to strive for the most amount of liberty while attempting to achieve it in the most effective way to date. That's all.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230218#msg230218
(Russell, as you know, is a Christian. When he married, he really meant for life. His wife kicked him out without just cause. She got everything...kids, house, all of Russell's personal possessions (which she wouldn't give to him). Last he saw her she was driving a brand new Escalade. After she kicked him out, she got a restraining order claiming he was violent (Mr. Pacifist, violent ). She refused to let him see his children. She refuses to let him even call his children. He decided he was not going to be a slave to some woman who treated him like that - to pay for her to take his children away from him. He's offered to take the children. He wanted nothing more than to stay there and raise the kids, be a family. She chose otherwise. Now he's in jail for not paying child support. The kids don't even know why he doesn't call or see them - the mother lets them think he just doesn't care. He won't be mean enough to her to tell the kids what's happening.)
Kat, I am so stunned by all of this. I cannot believe how wrong this all is. I would like to defend myself, and find this incredibly awkward. It saddens me how the truth about Russell's past has been completely obliterated by people who don't care enough about those facts to actually check them out. I have long felt the irony that Russell is only now a "pacivist"?? This wasn't our experience at all. Personally, I think it is an overcompensation for the violence he displayed in our marriage and towards our children. He did make strides to change, but it was my opinion, and others around me, including his own parents at the time, that his being with the children was NOT wise, as his lack of self-control was in danger of seriously harming them. We lived it. You have only heard one side of the story...and though I am sorry when anyone is unjustly treated, it bears repeating that one must know first if the punishment is in fact, just. If it is...then justice must prevail. The fact that he still defends those wrong actions tells me that his 'rehabilitation' was not effective. And yes, he owes his children a lot of money....over $100,000. What would you do if it were YOUR children?
Kat, I would like to specifically address some of the untruths you posted...
I don't own an Escalade. I own a 1997 Blazer.
I worked 2 jobs for a while for my kids, as Russell wasn't contributing anything towards their LIFE...life he contributed to, and said he would be responsible for.
I never asked for alimony. I made a special request that the $1200 mo child support (mandated by the court, not me) would be reduced. He refused to cooperate at all. At one point, I asked him to give the 3 kids a total of $50 mo...he adamantly refused, on some higher moral ground?? What moral ground is higher than providing for your own kids? Or at least contributing, even if you hate your Ex wife?
I didn't get the house at all. As a matter of fact, it was my idea that he move back into it...no court documents, just a verbal agreement, and live there. (I couldn't afford it, and that was finewith me to move.) He agreed to do this. The deal was that he would make the house payments, and that one day, if we both agreed to sell, we'd split the proceeds. 5 mos later, I got a fluke call from the mortgage co, informing me the house was about to foreclose. I called him immediately. He laughed and said he hadn't paid a dime. In fact, some transients were living with him, and he was using their pmts to live off. The gas was shut off, and they were cooking over an open fire in the living room. I asked him if I could call the realtor and at least try to avoid foreclosure. He agreed. We were able to sell it immediately. 6 mos later I got $700. So, if that is getting 'everything'....
When you say "she kicked him out without just cause"Huh? The financial elements were what was least wrong about my situation. I got a restraining order because he was close to killing our oldest son, after he'd lied (He was Cool. Russell kicked me in the stomach while I was pregnant, and on the ground, after he'd pushed me down. He did some awful things within 3 mo of being married. But it was when he started hurting the kids in drastic ways...not just a traditional spanking, that I began to be scared. I filed for a separation first, and we remained in that state for 2 years, until in my estimation, any hope of reconciliation was truly over.
I did make a lot of choices along the way...I stayed for many years, trying to work on a marriage with someone who was harming me. But in the end, I chose wisely to extricate myself from him. Initially, I did not want the children to spend time with him at all. They remembered some of the really bad times too. They never questioned my reasons....they knew!
Since the kids are older, I have encouraged letter writing and phone calls. They are not interested. (I know anyone reading this will believe that I have poisoned their minds...but truly, I didn't.) They just didn't want to. When I did make suggestions for some reconcilation with them, (letters/calls/visits) he has written them each once on their birthdays and Christmas. Period.
Russell is not innocent here. His past is finally catching up to him. Maybe if he had taken care of his prior responsibilities, at least in part, he wouldn't be where he is today. He is a fugitive by choice.
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Ooo...this is almost as good as Zack Bass' former wife's posts...
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Drama indeed.
I'm waiting for the paperback, personally.
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For the record, I don't even know Puke--
Even if everything fails I still like NH. I win either way.
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For the record, I don't even know Puke--
Even if everything fails I still like NH. I win either way.
Who care if Y2k! doesn't happen? We'll still be prepared for future potential disasters!
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See for yourselves:
http://www.sbcounty.gov/courts/flash.asp
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where else in New England are you going to get an hour from mountains to the beach? Nothing beats camping at Mount Washington. Hampton Beach in the summer is craziness. The seacoast 1A drive is gorgeous, but the walk is better.
I love New Hampshire, I've been its neighbor for my entire life. I can't wait to be there for a lot of reasons. I can't wait to have the ugly Mass plate off my car. I can't wait to not pay state income tax. I can't wait meet new people in New Hampshire. There are plenty more reasons I've got to move to NH.
critics forgotten, they have no true argument for me.
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I'm waiting for the paperback, personally.
Screw that. I wouldn't waste time reading that paperback. I'm waiting for the movie. And then only if it has titty scenes and hot actresses.
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Screw that. I wouldn't waste time reading that paperback. I'm waiting for the movie. And then only if it has titty scenes and hot actresses.
I say "booyah" to this.
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Puke rox.
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Puke rox.
Just for you, Dale, I'll let the movie version have some chiseled, hunky guys in it (assuming that does the trick for you)
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Just for you, Dale, I'll let the movie version have some chiseled, hunky guys in it (assuming that does the trick for you)
I thought this was a movie about libertarians.
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Oh bah. His ex-wife is posting now? Shit.
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Ooo...this is almost as good as Zack Bass' former wife's posts...
This is much better.
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Zack Bass was married? Damn, I didn't realize he went that far to hide his evolutionary advantage ( :wink: ).
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Zack Bass was married? Damn, I didn't realize he went that far to hide his evolutionary advantage ( :wink: ).
I think he's on his 6th or 7th wife.
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Oh bah. His ex-wife is posting now? Shit.
Her story seems to completely contradict Russel/Kat's version and I don't know anyone involved. It would be interesting to know the facts, but since both sides sound completely plausible I'm not going to make any judgments for one or the other.
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I know this much. I've known Russell and Kat and their daughter Kira for a while now and Mindy is a complete stranger to me. I feel safe in speaking for myself and a lot of others over here in NH who know them in saying that her accusations completely fly in the face of all of our experiences with the Kannings. And it's not like what you often here about "he was so quiet and seemingly harmless". It's not like Russell is one of those quiet types who seems to be hiding something dark. He seems quite open and sociable, and doesn't appear to be hiding anything beyond that he doesn't talk about his ex-wife, not even to smear her name.
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Any way you slice it, it's hard to paint Russel's current incarceration as an "act of civil disobedience", as there's not a clear, obvious State perpetrator.
Enforcing contracts is the one thing that most libertarians -- even anarchs -- think the State might need to do for awhile until private organizations can take it over. And unless you know Russell personally, this sure looks like an (implicit) contract dispute between private parties, where someone -- the State, or a DRO -- might need to step in to enforce contract at some point.
There is a party here that at least makes a vaguely plausible case for being victimized. That's key.
IF the former wife & child are really owed $100,000 then it sure might make sense to put the debtor into a work prison. Granted, this ain't a work prison, but the end results are not so different.
It's just not in the same ballpark as, say, a private agreement to perform a manicure, where the state goons bust in to stop it (no victim), or a man trying to board an aircraft (no victim, unless the airlines were to step forward -- and they could just throw him off of their property), or not paying taxes (no specific victim), or any other victimless "crime" for that matter.
In short, it REALLY sucks that he might be in jail a long time, and that time is virtually useless as an example of state-sponsored aggression.
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I'm waiting for the paperback, personally.
Screw that. I wouldn't waste time reading that paperback. I'm waiting for the movie. And then only if it has titty scenes and hot actresses.
I would like to make some mini-movies. Or a serious docu-comedy about the FSP.
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In short, it REALLY sucks that he might be in jail a long time, and that time is virtually useless as an example of state-sponsored aggression.
1 of the kids is his and 2 he adopted. At most, make him pay for the 1 kid that is his, but only if he works and only a small percentage of his income. Let's say he makes $1600 a month. So, he should be charged $300 per month for 1 child or up to $600 per month for 3 children.
The state should not force child support, IMHO, though. I see this as a 100% act of state agression, even if he did anything his Ex said he did. He has already been punished for those things. I don't see Mark being rearrested for stuff he did 15 years ago. This whole thing is BS and Russell should be free.
And yes, my parents got divorced and it would have sucked if my dad didn't pay child support for the few years before my mom remarried. That doesn't make it right.
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Any way you slice it, it's hard to paint Russel's current incarceration as an "act of civil disobedience", as there's not a clear, obvious State perpetrator.
Enforcing contracts is the one thing that most libertarians -- even anarchs -- think the State might need to do for awhile until private organizations can take it over. And unless you know Russell personally, this sure looks like an (implicit) contract dispute between private parties, where someone -- the State, or a DRO -- might need to step in to enforce contract at some point.
There is a party here that at least makes a vaguely plausible case for being victimized. That's key.
IF the former wife & child are really owed $100,000 then it sure might make sense to put the debtor into a work prison. Granted, this ain't a work prison, but the end results are not so different.
It's just not in the same ballpark as, say, a private agreement to perform a manicure, where the state goons bust in to stop it (no victim), or a man trying to board an aircraft (no victim, unless the airlines were to step forward -- and they could just throw him off of their property), or not paying taxes (no specific victim), or any other victimless "crime" for that matter.
In short, it REALLY sucks that he might be in jail a long time, and that time is virtually useless as an example of state-sponsored aggression.
It is "disobedience" in the fact that the state has no business "assisting" and/or "demanding" "certain" "performance" from one and/or the other "parties" in a "divorce"...
Unfortunately, most couples involve the state as a third party in their "private" "union" when they erroneously request state "permission" in the form of a "license" to be "married"...
Then when one or both parties seek a divorce the third party, the state, gets to play dictator...with the approval of "the general population" and, of course, with the approval of the party that the judge "gives" "custody" and "support" and "alimony" to...
There are some states that figure child support based on what that state thinks is the average yearly cost to raise a child in that state...then the state determines how much of that amount each parent should pay...and that is regardless of which parent has custody...so you may have custody but still have to pay child support to the other parent...
This falls back to many erroneous "expectations" of the gooberment...like asking the gooberment to determine what an "adequate" education is...and how much one should cost...
It's subjective and therefore should never...NEVER be decided by third parties...if the primary parties can't come to an agreement...then so be it...no agreement...
Just like when you go to the orchard and offer the farmer a nickle for an apple he is charging ten cents for...he might say yes...or he might say no...if he says no...then you either give him ten cents or you don't get the apple...
Of course, then the government steps in and screws with everything...the farmer gets subsidies and then, in turn, is micromanaged by the gooberment goons...the customer is on welfare spending money taken at gunpoint from other people...and then the gooberment institutes price controls and demands that the farmer sell his apples below his costs(including his labor which he values at one point, and the gooberment devalues out of existence) and so the farmer is better off cutting all the apple trees down and using them for firewood...then nobody gets and fucking apples...
Unless there is a totally voluntary, full-disclosure contract between Russell and Mindy(which I'm sure that there is NOT)...then the fucking gooberment goons/bureaucrats/jackboots/mercenaries should stay the hell out of it altogether...
The thugs never do anything without the ultimate escalation being the threat of murder if someone steadfastly refuses to be "subject" to their "supposed" "jurisdiction" or "authority"...over another individual, sovereign planetary human being...
So they beat/abuse/rape/torture/mutilate/kidnap/imprison/murder in a direct and indirect attempt to maintain "power" and "control" over the rest of us...the slaves...the cattle...the beasts of burden...
Guess what they would do if everyone just stood firm and said "NO MORE"...
They would put their riot gear on and get busy...
What would they do...
beat you
hit you
kick you
smash you
spray you
burn you
cut you
shoot you
choke you
strangle you
stomp on you
tie you up
strap you down
tear your clothes off
rape your body
rape your space
rape your mind
tear gas you
pepper spray you
taser you
smash your genitals
let other prisoners rape you
let other prisoners cut you
let other prisoners beat you
murder you
I'm sure you can think of more ways that they use torture and fear to control everyone...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE QUIT PAYING THEM...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE QUIT WORKING FOR THEM...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE QUIT FEEDING THEM...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE REFUSE THEM FOR GOOD...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE REPEL THEM FOR GOOD...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE DESTROY THEM...
So, you think they're going to stop doing these things...that get them "off" in a twisted perverted way...VOLUNTARILY!?!?!
Perhaps a few will see the writing on the wall...
Most of the rest...eh, not so much...
Read and/or re-read Atlas Shrugged today and quit supporting the looters/thugs/bureaucrats/jackboots/mercenaries!
They cannot operate forever without your consent...without your empowerment...and without your payment...
Become John Galt today!
Do the minimum necessary to survive...
Do your best to reduce and/or eliminate the amount of taxes and other fees that you "surrender" to the bureaucrats/jackboots/mercenaries...
And get ready for the ride of your life as the Amerikan Empire comes crashing to the ground...struggling, choking, gasping for breath...thrashing about...throwing you this way and that...trying to smash you back into submission...
We do live in truly interesting times...
As always, buyer beware...
Your mileage may vary...
Your target may move...
Your timing is yours...
No commands...
You're alone...
Individual...
Sovereign...
Human...
Being...
One...
THERE ARE MORE OF US...THAN THERE ARE OF THEM...
EVENTUALLY YOU WILL EITHER MAKE THE STAND...
OR YOU WILL FALL AND GROVEL AT THEIR FEET...
YOU WILL KNOW WHEN IT IS YOUR TIME...
AND YOU WILL CALL OR FOLD...
ALL IN YOUR TIME...
YOUR CHOICE...
YOURS...
NO ONE ELSE CAN OR WILL LEAD YOU TO ACTION...
YOU WILL MAKE THAT DECISION YOURSELF...
JUST LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHERS...
STAND TALL AND STAND FIRM...
AIM SMALL AND MISS SMALL...
THERE ARE MORE OF US...THAN THERE ARE OF THEM...
John Shaw!
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Go outside while the big people talk.
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And yes, my parents got divorced and it would have sucked if my dad didn't pay child support for the few years before my mom remarried. That doesn't make it right.
Money paid until the former spouse remarries is called alimony. Totally different thing than child support - at least it's supposed to be.
I think the lines are getting a little blurry, thanks to the assumption the non-custodial parent should pay to maintain the same quality of life the child had before the divorce. That's just not reasonable, especially if the husband was the only one working full-time, and the income is going from maintaining one residence to two.
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As I understand it, it is not "The State" that is demanding the money here.
The State is acting as contract enforcer; the ex-wife is saying he has an obligation to make good on a financial obligation to help raise the kid.
Like I said: I dunno if Russ "really" owes her money (she says he does, he says he doesn't).
Why not agree to private arbitration? IIRC the ex-wife posted somewhere that she'd be open to that.
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The monthly dues were an amount arbitrarily decided by the state in the first place after the wife decided to divorce Russell. They were also based on salary from a job that he is no longer comfortable with and may not even be able to resume if he wanted. He's pretty dirt poor right now. I gave up a high-paying job to live on my own terms. It's particularly disturbing when you're busting your ass in a 9 to 5 that makes you miserable just to hand over half of it over for taxes, (and I don't just mean income taxes) so I can relate. It makes you truly feel like a slave.
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As I understand it, it is not "The State" that is demanding the money here.
The State is acting as contract enforcer; the ex-wife is saying he has an obligation to make good on a financial obligation to help raise the kid.
Like I said: I dunno if Russ "really" owes her money (she says he does, he says he doesn't).
Why not agree to private arbitration? IIRC the ex-wife posted somewhere that she'd be open to that.
The "state" is a thug...plain and simple...guns for hire...to the biggest voting block of looters willing to put up with their shit as long as they are looting someone else...anyone else...besides the looters...
You are stating "the state is acting as contract enforcer"...
Please forward me a certified copy of this contract...
I will, of course, pay the expenses for this...
I'll continue to support Russell until I see a contract where he agreed voluntarily, with full disclosure...to specific terms...without any supposed person in a costume/dress/bathrobe holding the leashes of the goon squads with billy clubs, pepper spray, tasers, guns, etc. at the ready...
John Shaw!
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And yes, my parents got divorced and it would have sucked if my dad didn't pay child support for the few years before my mom remarried. That doesn't make it right.
Money paid until the former spouse remarries is called alimony. Totally different thing than child support - at least it's supposed to be.
Or, in my case, child support. Once my mom remarried, my dad no longer paid child support because there were 2 parents supporting me.
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And yes, my parents got divorced and it would have sucked if my dad didn't pay child support for the few years before my mom remarried. That doesn't make it right.
Money paid until the former spouse remarries is called alimony. Totally different thing than child support - at least it's supposed to be.
Or, in my case, child support. Once my mom remarried, my dad no longer paid child support because there were 2 parents supporting me.
That's not how it works now...during a divorce or a demand by one parent that another parent "contribute"...the "judge" decides who has custody from that point on...and who should pay what(different depending on the state)...and this "forced obligation" does not change until the child reaches 18...the court only "allows" the "contributions" to cease upon the successful adoption of the kids by the new husband...if the new husband makes a million dollars a year, but chooses not to adopt...the "contributions" must continue...
It's no wonder that men and women act the way they do towards each other...
It's exactly this sort of thing that is the reason why I advise young men to have a vasectomy so they can't be trapped by a woman...
I had both of these situations happen to me...
I had a verbal contract with my wife that we WEREN'T having kids and I made the mistake of trusting her(my fault for trusting anyone else)...
And...
Several years later, a gal I was seeing told me she was pregnant and it was mine...
Boy did I have the last laugh there...you should have seen the look on her face...
When I told her I was a certified blank shooter...OMG...LOL...
See, I knew I never wanted to bring children into this FU world and I tried desperately to get a vasectomy when I was 18. Back in those days they hadn't perfected the reversal procedure so the doctors were very hesitant to perform these on young men(In a free market it would have been easy to find a doctor willing and able...in our FU country...not so much). There was only one that would do it, and that was on the condition that I come back in six months with the same request...I didn't because in six months I was thousands of miles away from that particular doctor...
And because the medical industry isn't a free market...and because I couldn't trust even one other human being...I got screwed...
John Shaw!
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It's not my fault. It's the state. It's the medical industry,. It's the thugs. Wasn't me.
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When is someone going to start a fund to pay off Russell's child support debt?
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When is someone going to start a fund to pay off Russell's child support debt?
Perhaps you're not following all the threads on this...or the previous ones...
Russell doesn't want anyone to bail him out...or pay fines...or pay any supposed "obligations"...
But I suppose if you wanted to pull it out of your pocket and give it to the bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...THEY would be DELIGHTED...
John Shaw!
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It's not my fault. It's the state. It's the medical industry,. It's the thugs. Wasn't me.
If you had gangrene in your arm and the doctors refused to help you(the doctors refusal is based on a government and/or industry "standard" that is arbitrary and capricious in this example)...and the arm later had to be amputated...you'd have cause to blame the doctors...unless, of course, you could treat yourself...or cut your own arm off...which people have actually done BTW...
And it IS the "state" and their crimes against the free market and basic human rights that is the issue here...
And it IS the "medical industry" who force "rogue" doctors either into submission...or out of business...
And they ARE most certainly thugs/bureaucrats/jackboots/mercenaries...
What else would you call someone that routinely points a gun at you and demands ANYTHING of you....
John Shaw!
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If you had gangrene in your arm and the doctors refused to help you...and the arm later had to be amputated...you'd have cause to blame the doctors
um, no. Why should anyone be obligated to help me?
If someone does not want to help me, they should be able to refuse.
And it IS the "state" and their crimes against the free market
Crimes against the free market?
The free market should sue.
What else would you call someone that routinely points a gun at you and demands ANYTHING of you....
So anyone who enforces a contract(with a gun) is a thug.
Thugs won't go away in DRO world, they just become private thugs.
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Please forward me a certified copy of this contract...
What certifications would you accept as valid?
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When is someone going to start a fund to pay off Russell's child support debt?
Perhaps you're not following all the threads on this...or the previous ones...
Russell doesn't want anyone to bail him out...or pay fines...or pay any supposed "obligations"...
But I suppose if you wanted to pull it out of your pocket and give it to the bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...THEY would be DELIGHTED...
Well, I don't want to pay for a place for him to sleep and eat, and I have to do that now. I wish his "friends" would bail him out.
http://freerussellkanning.com/
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Thugs won't go away in DRO world, they just become private thugs.
BINGO!
There is a word for private DRO's disputing a multibillion dollar contract.
That word is 'war'
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Fasting for Russell's release (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13396.msg230276#msg230276)
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Fasting for Russell's release (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13396.msg230276#msg230276)
That is the gayest thread I've ever seen.
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I am going to drink a VitaminWater for Russell's release. It has B-12.
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I'm drinking beer, it has no animals in it.
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A beer fast for Russell's release. They should do that on Tampon Tuesday.
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They should do that on Tampon Tuesday.
Heh, that's pretty funny :lol:
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The only thing that would get released is a bunch of watery explosive beer shits on Wednesday morning.
Am I comparing a certain someone to a loose watery beer shit?
Stay tuned.
Remember the Alamo!
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Am I comparing a certain someone to a loose watery beer shit?
Something stinks in the free state.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230847#msg230847
So the system is shown, once again, for the fucked up looting thuggists that they really are.
And that is how the people like it.
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I cried so much I think I am dehydrated. I am getting dizzy.
Why God?
WHY?
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Guess who?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230852#msg230852
Russell has done more than a million dollars worth of freedom activism. This activism will help all children including yours. You should be as grateful for his contributions as the rest of us are.
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"Two months from now one of your children could disappear."
Iz dat a threat?
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13396.msg230293#msg230293
Some of the PMs I was getting were so crazy angry at Russell's Ex, that I thought I should give it a break, if only for her protection. I don't want any of the gun slingers to get so crazy that they track her down and do something to her.
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Guess who?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230852#msg230852
Russell has done more than a million dollars worth of freedom activism. This activism will help all children including yours. You should be as grateful for his contributions as the rest of us are.
I have no clue who that is.
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Guess who?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230852#msg230852
Russell has done more than a million dollars worth of freedom activism. This activism will help all children including yours. You should be as grateful for his contributions as the rest of us are.
I have no clue who that is.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg231377#msg231377
How bout now?
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Guess who?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230852#msg230852
Russell has done more than a million dollars worth of freedom activism. This activism will help all children including yours. You should be as grateful for his contributions as the rest of us are.
I have no clue who that is.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg231377#msg231377
How bout now?
I don't buy it. Galt's posts are lame, but not overtly offensive. At least, not as offensive as Powerchuter's. At least, they weren't before I put Galt on Ignore for being so damn longwinded. Maybe he's worse now.
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Oh, you probably already know who it is...
Since the character in question...
likes to make slightly shorter...
sentences or fragments...
that come down to...
the main central...
point that he...
is trying...
to...
:wink:
Bust. But so what?
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Enjoi!
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John Shaw!
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg231659#msg231659
First of all, I would like to publicly thank those of you who understand what I am trying to say. I can't say enough how saddened I am by all that is happening to Russell. There will always be those who disagree, those who dissect each word...those who just have different views. This is not political for me. Its personal. Its what happened to me and to Joe, and Jesse and Katie. We worked very hard for many years, alone and without support. Thankfully, family and friends helped. However, Russell is where he is today, due to his personal choices. I have very little to do with that. And though I am glad he is out of our lives, I recognize he has a new life....but it is one that he is destroying. He robbed his first family, and now the pattern continues, albeit with a different slant. He is robbing his second family of his time and money too, just to make a point. He owes $139,000 to his children. He could have negotiated that out of court for many years.
For you, his supporters, why wouldn't he do that? Because you say, he couldn't see the kids...? He could have. I couldn't have stopped him, by law. And never tried...So what is your sticking point here? That I haven't given him enough chances? That because I wanted to be divorced from someone who physically harmed our children, I should 'go it alone'?
I am not a murderer, kidnapper...or otherwise, as one person so villified me. In my own defense, I have quite courageously handled many difficulties that Russell would not. At the end of the day, I look at our three wonderful kids...and thank God for how far He has brought us. And I have peace about it.
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The monthly dues were an amount arbitrarily decided by the state in the first place after the wife decided to divorce Russell. They were also based on salary from a job that he is no longer comfortable with and may not even be able to resume if he wanted. He's pretty dirt poor right now. I gave up a high-paying job to live on my own terms. It's particularly disturbing when you're busting your ass in a 9 to 5 that makes you miserable just to hand over half of it over for taxes, (and I don't just mean income taxes) so I can relate. It makes you truly feel like a slave.
I can appreciate anyone wanting to make a change in their life to find a better qualify of life....and that might mean giving up one particular job and living on far less and being far happier. But - and I think this is a big but - when you have children, you are responsible for them. Is it fair to the child that mom or dad just decide to up and stop supporting them? I know that the system often works against one of the parents (and all too often the father) but this is still about financially supporting your children. It shouldn't matter if they are natural born or adopted...no one forces someone to adopt children - and once you do, they're yours. IMO the rules that apply to those without children are different than those with. I am single and have no children, so, like dalebert, I can pick up and move wherever and however I like. The only person it effects is me. If, on the other hand, I had children, then then I need to first be responsible to them and then to myself. How would you feel if someone with kids just decided one day to not come home and feed the kids? It's really the same thing....just on a grander scale.
And I agree with Denis - this isn't civil disobedience - this is just contract enforcement. If Russel didn't like the contract, he should have attempted to change it.
That said - I feel bad for Kat - this has to be really hard to deal with.
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But - and I think this is a big but
Everyone I know has a big butt
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How would you feel if someone with kids just decided one day to not come home and feed the kids? It's really the same thing....just on a grander scale.
Russell probably said he was going out to get coco-puffs and never came back.
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"I couldn't have stopped him, by law. And never tried..."
She had a restraining order put against him. Liar.
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It didn't expire until 2007. But Russell doesn't listen to the court.
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It didn't expire until 2007. But Russell doesn't listen to the court.
We hadn't noticed.
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Will Russell get out for burning porcupine?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11858.msg232053#msg232053
I don't know if this festival will happen now.
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So, yeah, it is happening. Hope to see you there Blackie?
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So, yeah, it is happening. Hope to see you there Blackie?
No. I will be at the fisher fest.
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I'm moving to NH this summer so I should be able to make that, too!
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg233008#msg233008This is my recollection of what happened to my friend Russell
Russell and Mindy married in 1990 and proceeded to become debt free. Mindy taught at a local Christian school (the one her parents built and she attended). They adopted two hard to place brothers and they finally had a daughter of their own in 1997. Mindy had become a stay-at-home mom. Both she and Russell became heavily involved at High Desert Church.
In early 1999 Mindy visited her folks in Africa, came home and threw Russell out. One of her family's closest friends is a Christian marriage counselor at their church. They went to see him and he told her that their marriage could be healed and not to make any rash decisions. She never went back. Russell however continued for some years. Russell lived with us part time and part time with his sister some 100 miles away. This went on for about a year so Russell could continue giving all his pay to his family. Mindy had gone back to work and stopped going to church and stopped all the friendships she had had since childhood. After about a year she told Russell she needed more money. So Russell quit his job here at McWelco and started driving truck. After he was trained he became an owner-operator, hired a team driver and lived in his truck for the next six months and deposited all his earning in Mindy's account for his family. Some months he was giving her as much as $5000.00 a month. All this time he hoped that they would soon get back together as he did for some 5 years. At the end of Russell truck driving for 6 month Mindy called him up and told him that she needed $4000.00. He reminded her that she receives all his money save a food stipend. She said she had to have the money and suggested he barrow it from his 91-year-old grandmother in North Dakota. Russell refused.
He realized that no matter how much money he gave her she would always need more and that essentially he was helping her not put his family back together. He returned home to find that she had abandoned their beautiful large four bedroom home and had taken a 2 bedroom apt that was less than $100 cheaper a month than the house and found the house was in foreclosure, Russell quit truck driving. The house was messed up, Russell tried repairing and taking renters to try to save the house for his family but he only staved off the inevitable. He also finally asked Mindy if she was ever going to try to repair their marriage. She said no so he told her he wasn't going to finance her disobedience to God anymore, and that she should come home. Well the joke was on him because when he returned home he found a notice from the D.A. explaining that he never gave his wife any money that he was now $25000 in dept and a criminal. He gleamed that some months ago she had her lawyer uncle put together the complaint and told falsehoods about his earnings at McWelco and of course claimed that she had received no money from Russell for the full almost two years they were, at that time, separated.
Now the reason Mindy was so confidant that she would get away with lying was because like so many Christians she knows Russell would never let a court have authority over his marriage and family. He does recognize the church authority in this regard and as I said before, never, up to this point, stopped going to counseling when not driving. Russell would never even contest nor even recognize the court process. He would never even participate.
So here we are in 2008 Mindy remarried 2 years ago and so did Russell. The 2 boys they adopted are grown and Katie is almost 11. Russell has not given her a dime for about 5 years. He has sent them a lot of things like clothes and computers and other necessities. Of course she would never let Russell visit the kids even before he stopped payment. Neither would she let Russell's folks visit them or his brother and sister nor their former pastor or friends she and Russell loved.
Love Jay
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So you are saying Russell is one of the best people ever and he is really the amazing person he led us to think he was? Nice.
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So you are saying Russell is one of the best people ever and he is really the amazing person he led us to think he was? Nice.
He's still not doing anyone any good by rotting in jail.
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This is why:
A) You shouldn't get married
B) You shouldn't have kids with a psychopath
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So you are saying Russell is one of the best people ever and he is really the amazing person he led us to think he was? Nice.
He's still not doing anyone any good by rotting in jail.
He is looting my money for food and a place to sleep.
RAD
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Russell has been deleted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russell_Kanning
Keene Free Press is marked for deletion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keene_Free_Press
on the talk page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Keene_Free_Press
We have cut back to 1 print edition per month to save money and trees. :)
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Fuckin' wiki fags.
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Bet Alex did it.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13428.msg235983#msg235983
They lowered the amount of the ransom to $3000, so I'm going to go get him out, with a little help from friends. I guess Mindy will get a new wardrobe for herself (which is what she did with the money right after she kicked Russell out.)
Russell is teaching them a lesson.
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Russell is Jesus.
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I am wondering if Russell Christ is still doing the Grafton thing. For a while they talked about changing the name of the keene free press to the NH underground.....They seem to be back on the Keene thing now.
Around X-mas time Kat and Russell went to TX, I think. Before that they seemed to have moved to Grafton. But when they came back to NH, they did not say too much about location. Then, as soon as they announce they are going to be somewhere, Russell gets nabbed.
I wonder if they knew this shit was coming down. Was someone looking for Russell in Grafton back in December?
When will Russell start posting again?
Will Russell leave NH now this state is after him for being a dead beat dad?
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Our Russell, who art in heaven, hallow be thy name...
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About 1/2 the things Blackie just said were lies.
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About 1/2 the things Blackie just said were lies.
what half?
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About 1/2 the things Blackie just said were lies.
If I cared, I'd know if you were accurate.
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My working theory is that Russell got ratted out by someone in Grafton.
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Grafton Lou Albano. That'd be my guess.
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prolly
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Bet they'll blame you again.
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I'm surprised they haven't yet.
I think it could have been one of his "friends" in Grafton. Or it could have been someone from the other side. I don't know, it's a mess.
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I am wondering if Russell Christ is still doing the Grafton thing. For a while they talked about changing the name of the keene free press to the NH underground.....They seem to be back on the Keene thing now.
WRONG
Around X-mas time Kat and Russell went to TX, I think. Before that they seemed to have moved to Grafton. But when they came back to NH, they did not say too much about location. Then, as soon as they announce they are going to be somewhere, Russell gets nabbed.
WRONG
I wonder if they knew this shit was coming down. Was someone looking for Russell in Grafton back in December?
WRONG
When will Russell start posting again?
Will Russell leave NH now this state is after him for being a dead beat dad?
SOMEWHAT WRONG
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I wonder if they knew this shit was coming down. Was someone looking for Russell in Grafton back in December?
WRONG
How can me "wondering" something be wrong?
I am wondering if Russell Christ is still doing the Grafton thing. For a while they talked about changing the name of the keene free press to the NH underground.....They seem to be back on the Keene thing now.
WRONG
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=2118.msg220558#msg220558
I started trying out the new name for the newspaper - The New Hampshire Underground. As I was trying to use it, it just wasn't working out right. I like the name, but it doesn't automatically identify itself as a newspaper, and I wound up having to say the nh underground newspaper. So I guess I'm going to go with The New Hampshire Free Press. It's obviously a paper, it's statewide, it ties in with the old name better.
BTW, I don't really have any letters to the editor for this month. If anyone has something they want to rant about in print, feel free to send it along within the next few days. I think I've about cornered my mother into writing something. She was supposedly some hot writer in college, and wanted to be a writer for a living until she got hooked up with my dad.
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I'm surprised they haven't yet.
I think it could have been one of his "friends" in Grafton. Or it could have been someone from the other side. I don't know, it's a mess.
I might go up there and infiltrate those fuckers.
Keep that to yourself.
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It wouldn't be hard. They almost beg for it.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13428.90
the money spent yesterday will hopefully go to Mindy someday .... but it doesn't make things go away. my bill goes up at about $2200/month
I will try to pay her a few hundred each month. That might not keep me out of jail.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg236329#msg236329
Most of what Jay said was correct.
Some of what Mindy has said is correct.
Sometimes I didn't make her feel loved or safe.
I held her down a couple of times and kicked in the front door once.
I held Joe up on a wall when he was arguing with Mindy once and she said that really scared her.
I used to get angry when things didn't go my way or I felt I had the "right" to something like respect.
I was depressed when Mindy separated and divorced me. But no way I threatened to kill them.
Since then I have learned that I should truly love the people around me unconditionally ... and sometimes I even do it. I am working on loving my enemies.
I have learned I am not owed anything ... I mean anything. So I don't get mad or sad very easily or really at all.
I have slowly learned that even if I think I am right, I should not use force against other people, even those that are hurting me or others. Although I find it still hurts when you turn the other cheek.
I had not cooperated with Mindy since 2002 because I didn't want to make it easy for her to break up our family and withhold my kids from me. I also wanted to oppose this whole system that enslaves men.
But now I am giving in to her demands. The thugs won. I am going to give her what I can so I can possibly stay out of jail and live with my beautiful and loving wife Kat. I have not wanted to use government force to take the kids from Mindy and giving her money is not as bad as funding the feds torturing and killing of people. So she has the kids and has kept me from seeing them most of the time, but I will give in to her without expecting her to change her behavior.
I had no right to have a loving wife before ... but God has been good and given me one now.
I can't communicate with my kids right now, but maybe someday I will.
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Like I said, one only had to go and look up the public records on Russell.
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My working theory is that Russell got ratted out by someone in Grafton.
Russell wasn't "ratted out" by anyone...
The looters, bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries have an active, funded, and staffed team to work "counter-insurgency" against the advocates of Liberty and Freedom...
They monitor pretty much everything that we do and say...and they investigate each and every one of us looking for weaknesses and vulnerabilities...
Obviously they found one of Russell's...
Don't forget that we are at war here domestically...
The war between the producers and the looters...looters including anyone who receives part of the loot and booty stolen under threat at gunpoint by the bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...who, as is easily observed...only get their paychecks by using aggression/force/fraud against a peaceful and peace-loving people who just want to be left alone...
Why do you think they spent millions of dollars going after the Browns instead of using that money to hunt down all those serial killers that they aren't telling the public about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkA-c7M2BUc
[youtube=425,350]v/hkA-c7M2BUc[/youtube]
Notice how this New Hampshire State Trooper knows EXACTLY who he is pulling over BEFORE he even talks to her...even though she has NO vehicle registration for the trooper to "check" and "learn" who MIGHT be in the vehicle...
Go figure...
RAD
John Shaw!
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Russell wasn't "ratted out" by anyone...
Well, I have seen his "side" in Grafton threaten that type of shit before.
Subject: DO NOT COME TO NH - EVER
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:45:13 -0400
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Mr. Xxxxx Xxxxxxxxx,
THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. WITH "FRIENDS" LIKE YOU, WE DON'T NEED ANY ENEMIES.
YOU HAVE POISONED THE WELL IN GRAFTON. THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR "HELP."
THE PEOPLE OF GRAFTON ARE ARMED, DANGEROUS, AND EXTREMELY PISSED AT YOU. EXCEPT FOR THIS MESSAGE, WE WILL CERTAINLY NOT PROTECT YOU.
IN FACT, WE WILL HELP THEM HANG YOU OUT TO DRY IN ANY LEGAL WAY POSSIBLE.
YOU ARE HEREBY WARNED. DO NOT COME TO NEW HAMPSHIRE EVER AGAIN.
THERE IS NO WARM, FUZZY FREEDOM COMMUNITY HERE FOR YOU. FOR YOU THERE IS ONLY AN EXTREMELY HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT OF YOUR OWN MAKING. STAY IN FLORIDA.
For Responsible Liberty,
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John Barnes, J. D.
Vice Chair, 2d District, L P N H
Chair, Welcome to the Granite State Committee
.
Voice or Fax:
Inside USA: 1-888-221-8628 (Toll-free)
Outside USA: 1-312-893-0715 (Not toll-free)
.
E-mail: jbarnes@lpnh.org
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If they think you will hurt their cause, they have no issue throwing your ass under the bus.
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Who'd want to live in Grafton anyway? Shit's worse than any southern small town I've ever been too, by far.
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Who'd want to live in Grafton anyway? Shit's worse than any southern small town I've ever been too, by far.
It has low taxes, a small government, nice people, wonderful views, low traffic, low crime, is right on a state road, low property values, and Blackie lives there. Who wouldn't want to live in Grafton?
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Who wouldn't want to live in Grafton?
Me.
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Who'd want to live in Grafton anyway? Shit's worse than any southern small town I've ever been too, by far.
It has low taxes, a small government, nice people, wonderful views, low traffic, low crime, is right on a state road, low property values, and Blackie lives there. Who wouldn't want to live in Grafton?
Don't forget no jobs, no affordable low latency broadband, and meth labs.
http://doj.nh.gov/publications/nreleases/011706methamphetamine.html
RELEASED BY: Kelly A. Ayotte, Attorney General
SUBJECT: Methamphetamine Labs in Grafton County
DATE: January 17, 2006
RELEASE TIME: Immediate
Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire State Police Colonel Fred Booth; Leo Ducey, Drug Enforcement Administration; Plymouth Police Chief Anthony Raymond, and Grafton Police Chief Merle Kenyon report that two clandestine methamphetamine labs were discovered last week in Grafton County.
On Tuesday, January 10, 2006, members of the Attorney General’s Drug Task Force, New Hampshire State Police, and the New England Clandestine Lab Team executed a search warrant on the property of David Hall, DOB 12/10/47, on Beech Hill Road in Plymouth. Based on the strong chemical odor and the large number of items typically associated with the production of methamphetamine, they were able to determine that a methamphetamine lab had recently been operating in the building. David Hall, DOB 7/20/1970, was arrested at the scene and charged with a felony offense of manufacturing methamphetamine.
On Wednesday, January 11, 2006, members of the Attorney General’s Drug Task Force, the New England Clandestine Lab Team, and the Grafton Police Department executed search warrants for two properties in Grafton, one on Slab City Road and the second on Dean Hill Road. During the searches, the police discovered evidence of methamphetamine production, including a quantity of pseudoephedrine, the main ingredient used to produce the drug, and other items used in the production process. The following individuals have been arrested and charged with the felony offense of conspiracy to manufacture methamphetamine: Roger Robie, 1/31/1968, of Grafton; Shane Hodgdon, DOB 10/23/1977, of Grafton; Ryan Wilson, DOB 1/13/1978, of Grafton; and, Pavel Sury, DOB 2/23/1976, of Meredith.
The presence of these two labs, says Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, highlights the need to take affirmative steps in this state to prevent the methamphetamine crisis that has plagued so many western states. While the number of clandestine labs discovered in New Hampshire to date is small, that number has increased dramatically in the last year. The process used by these labs to manufacture methamphetamine involves highly toxic and explosive ingredients, which create a serious risk of injury and long-term health problems to anyone exposed to them, in addition to the drug’s highly addictive nature. The legislature is currently considering a number of bills aimed at preventing the spread of methamphetamine labs in New Hampshire, including bills that would place reasonable limitations on access to ephedrine and pseudoephedrine-based products, one of the primary ingredients in the manufacturing process and increasing the criminal penalties for possessing or manufacturing methamphetamine. The passage of these bills would be a significant step towards curbing the production of this highly addictive drug in our State.
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Blackie, maybe you have never lived in a big city but people commonly travel some distance to work. Internet is fine in Grafton. And people make and use drugs everywhere.
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I guess you know what you are talking about. I mean, you drove thru, and went to ruggles mine. What the fuck else is there to know, right?
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Internet is fine in Grafton.
Tell me more about this.
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Blackie, maybe you have never lived in a big city but people commonly travel some distance to work. Internet is fine in Grafton. And people make and use drugs everywhere.
Right, being a resident of Grafton yourself, who could argue with your experience? :roll:
Why do you have to defend every single aspect of New Hampshire? Can you even admit that there are some bad things about it, or is that beyond you? There are a lot of great things about New Hampshire, but there are a lot of bad too. At least I can admit that.
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there needs to be more big titted women and larger buildings.
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there needs to be more big titted women and larger buildings.
Those are on my top 10 list.
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Internet is fine in Grafton.
Tell me more about this.
Sat in the sky.
Dude, if you don't like Grafton, maybe you should move or try to change the place. It is not perfect, but it is certainly far better than average for someone looking for freedom.
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Look, if I'm living in NH, I'm living in Manchester, Nashua, or Keene. There's plenty of good things to say about those places without defending every aspect of NH. And I love NH.
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Internet is fine in Grafton.
Tell me more about this.
Sat in the sky.
Not low latency...also expensive,and many times has a bandwith cap.
The radio signal has to travel 22,000 miles to the sat, then back down....It ends up adding 1/2 second to the latency.....so anything interactive (like FPS games)sucks, as well as VPN access.
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Not low latency...also expensive,and many times has a bandwith cap.
The radio signal has to travel 22,000 miles to the sat, then back down....It ends up adding 1/2 second to the latency.....so anything interactive (like FPS games)sucks, as well as VPN access.
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FPS games suck. Well, I like the older PC ones. W3D, Doom, ROTT, Doom 2, and Quake are about it for me. It is not expensive, really. Cable internet is $60 where I live and it has tons of problems and such (Comcastic). It went down for an hour last night, and for some time the previous day.
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Let me explain something to you.
You are stupid.
Do we have to go over that again?
http://go.gethughesnet.com/HUGHES/Rooms/DisplayPages/LayoutInitial?Container=com.webridge.entity.Entity%5BOID%5B71A9F5B422ABCE4886D9492F66B5B589%5D%5D
require a 24-month service commitment. $399 for install and equipment, 59.99 per month for 700kbps/128Kbps
Download Threshold 200 MB
Download Threshold is the volume of data that can be downloaded continuously before the Fair Access Policy may restrict the download speed.
Fair Access Policy
To ensure fair Internet access for all HughesNet® subscribers, HUGHES® maintains a Fair Access Policy (FAP). This policy establishes an equitable balance in Internet access for HughesNet subscribers. Hughes assigns a download threshold to each service plan that limits the amount of data that may be downloaded during a typical day. A small percentage of subscribers who exceed this limit will experience a temporary reduction of speed.
Explanation:
The Fair Access Policy is straightforward. Based on an analysis of customer usage data, Hughes has established a download threshold for each of the HughesNet service plans that is well above the typical usage rates. Subscribers who exceed that threshold will experience reduced download speeds for approximately 24 hours.
During this recovery period, the HughesNet service may still be used, but speeds will be slower. Web browsing, for example, will be significantly slower than subscribers’ normal browsing experience. Subscribers will return to normal download speeds after the recovery period as long as they minimize their bandwidth-intensive activities. If they continue these activities during this recovery period, reduced download speeds may continue beyond 24 hours.
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Leave it to Keith to take a debate about internet availability and turn it into which types of video games he likes...
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Leave it to Keith to take a debate about internet availability and turn it into which types of video games he likes...
Do you like FPSs? They just seem silly to me. Give me Civilization, Age of Empires, Grand Theft Auto, Picross, Tetris, Guitar Hero, or Super Smash Brothers Brawl over any FSP!
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Oh who gives a flying shit.
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Yeah, Red Roof Inn.
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IMHO Motel 6
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Russell Arrested (again) 5/29/08 for no drivers license (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14195.msg244517#msg244517) by a cop that hangs out on http://NHfree.com . Nice.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14195.msg244845#msg244845First, some background. I have outlined, in detail to Lauren and more basically in these forums, my views on the “Driver’s License” concept. Call them “papers” if it makes you feel better, but whatever you call them, they are NOT a requirement to live in this country, not even to travel. However, if you want to be in control of a car, you need a license. The reasoning behind this is simple: there are lots of people out there who regularly endanger the rest of us (and our families). Whether they routinely drive drunk, drive recklessly (like the motorcyclist from the other day who initiated the events that eventually led to my arresting Russell), habitually speed etc. The licensing process attempts to keep them off the roads by having the requirement that everyone needs one to drive, and when you lose your license you lose your privilege to drive that 2000lb hunk of steel on the roads. The consequences of getting caught driving without a license, or on a suspended license, deter most of those dangerous drivers, in my experience. And keeps them from driving, and endangering you and me.
“No victim, no crime,” is what is thrown at me now, and I say again, there’s never a victim until BAM, people burn to death or are maimed for life, or just have their car wrecked. Everyone says “Wow, what a bummer,” but usually it’s not your wife who’s dead, or your seven year old daughter who is decapitated by a drunk driver (exaggeration? Here’s the link: http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/05/29/o.lifesaving.lesson/index.html ).
Now, I don’t agree with suspending people’s licenses for non-payment of child support, or for blowing through an EasyPass toll gate. But I do support the basic premise, and purpose, behind the driver’s licensing system. Because of that, I do not let people just drive off when I know they’re suspended. While I have given many people breaks for a joint or baggie of dope or pot pipe, I have not for driving suspended.
Russell’s account of his arrest was quite accurate. He’s a good man and I’ve yet to find him being dishonest or trying to bullshit, even when it might benefit him. This is what happened through from my viewpoint: Two of my officers had stopped a motorcyclist for slaloming through traffic, in the oncoming lane, at over a hundred miles per hour. Some of you will say “Where’s the problem?” We saw a problem and addressed it. We managed to stop him on West Street at Base Hill Road, where the Country Club is. As the Shift Commander I went over to offer my assistance, and found that my two units and the motorcycle were filling most of a lane, so I got out to help traffic around. As I was doing so, Russell drove up and stopped at the stop sign, I immediately saw that was him. I was sure his license was suspended (because it has been since I’ve known him and he’s repeatedly told me and others he doesn’t need a license to drive), so I walked over to him. He was smiling, and asked me what was going on. I told him, and told him to pull over near where the motorcycle was, and he did. He got out, there was some discussion about his license, and I asked why, if he was paying California the child support stuff, they couldn’t reinstate his license? I think he said something about it would take months for them to do that. His license was confirmed as suspended, and we arrested him. A tow truck had been requested for Russell’s car, but he asked if Kat could just take it, I said sure and cancelled the tow.
At the PD, Russell was cooperative and agreed to be bailed. However, a closer check of his motor vehicle record indicated that this current charge would only be a violation, so I told my officer to cancel the Bail Commish for him and just release him on a Summons.
To sum up: I saw Russell driving, knew he was suspended, detained him and double-checked it, and arrested him. He was processed and released on a Summons.
I will explain, as I have to Russell probably a couple times. When people rack up enough points on their driving record, they will eventually be declared a Habitual Offender. When they get arrested for driving again, they will get charged with a felony and will go to jail, most likely for a year. The courts don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone’s politics, or their opinion of whether they should be required to have a driver’s license. It’s the law to have one, and they will put you in jail over it.
As I see it, there’s a sizeable portion of the population who would support reform of the drug laws. That support seems to be growing, and indeed I support that as well. However, in regards to driver’s licensing, I think you will find the vast majority of people support it.
The retort I get to this is “Mob rule.” Fine, but be honest…if the “mob” agreed with your views you wouldn’t have a problem with it.
While we’re talking about laws and change, I’d like to take this opportunity to discuss just that. No intent to insult or put you guys down, just my opinions. I see, as I’ve said before, many good ideas in this movement, much correct thinking. I also see disorganization, lack of leadership and a hodgepodge of actions limited to the tactical level (that’s the local stuff, like the open-carry litter pickups, copwatch, puppet shows, “I’m gonna drive on my suspended license” etc.). In some ways this is good (it’s difficult to smash an organization that is as decentralized as you guys, to put it bluntly). However, tactical actions alone will not affect much change. You may attract individuals to join your movement from here and there, you may get individuals from within the hoovernment to join you, or at least agree with you on some levels (as I do). Some tactical actions might attract negative attention from the very citizens you’re trying to “wake up,” making them think you’re a bunch of kooks (even before they check out some of the more, uh, extreme personalities on this forum!).
In order for you guys to affect change (change or eliminate certain laws or whatever), you’re going to need the support of the general population, or at least a goodly portion of it. You just don’t have the numbers or support for a “revolution” if that’s what you’re after. To think you’re just going to rip down the current political structure of this state or the nation is a pipe dream, at least for now. You should get some people thinking “strategic,” which means putting your own reps and senators in the state house, or at least winning many more current ones over to your thinking. Then you can work to repeal laws to your heart’s content. I suspect once people around the country see “it” working in NH, you may spark efforts in other states, and eventually the nation. It will take time, and effort. And if eventually it is legal for Russell to drive around with no license, and with a huge doobie hanging on his lip, I’ll be more than happy to wave to him as he drives on by.
Lastly, for the three of you who have listened to this point, I came to this forum looking for neither “buddies” nor the subversion of your cause. I came because I agree with many of your views, and I thought that communication (I called it détente earlier) could only benefit us all.
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Blackie, you suck because you got banned, whereas I have teh awesomeness because I chose to leave.
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Blackie, you suck because you got banned, whereas I have teh awesomeness because I chose to leave.
That is not why I suck.
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Because of your meth addiction?
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Russell Arrested (again) 5/29/08 for no drivers license (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14195.msg244517#msg244517) by a cop that hangs out on http://NHfree.com . Nice.
I fear for anyone that goes to Porcfest.
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I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
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I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.
That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...
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I've never met the guy, and I do understand that his credibility comes from the fact that he does bust a lot of potheads. . . while saying that the arrests are wrong.
but to be honest, and he must understand this being a cop, that everytime EVERY time I trust a cop I get fucked over.
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I've never met the guy, and I do understand that his credibility comes from the fact that he does bust a lot of potheads. . . while saying that the arrests are wrong.
but to be honest, and he must understand this being a cop, that everytime EVERY time I trust a cop I get fucked over.
Yeah, it's just plain hypocritical. How the fuck can you live with yourself, being a cop and a member of LEAP (knowing ALL of the bullshit wrong with the War on Drugs!) and not quit your fucking job? I know he probably has a family and everything, but Jesus Christ, you don't have to sell your fucking soul to put a plate of food on your kitchen table.
Also, didn't he recently call in saying that he had a moral dilemma with his job because it violated the 2nd Amendment?
YOU RUIN LIVES, BRAD JARVIS!
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I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.
That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
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I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.
That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
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If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
That's true. At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you. I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
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If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
That's true. At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you. I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So
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If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
That's true. At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you. I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So
I'm never taking anyone with "FSP" in their user name serious ever again.
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If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
That's true. At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you. I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So
Maybe, but I throught there was someone in law enforcement in Canada that was also in LEAP. All I know, is the cops scare me and I don't want to hang out with them unless I'm doing activism or actually getting paid.
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If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
That's true. At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you. I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So
I'm never taking anyone with "FSP" in their user name serious ever again.
Didn't your parents teach you to never take the real world serious anyways?
-- Brede
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If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
That's true. At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you. I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So
I'm never taking anyone with "FSP" in their user name serious ever again.
Didn't your parents teach you to never take the real world serious anyways?
-- Brede
The "real world" is for straight commies.
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If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
That's true. At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you. I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So
He. Does. Not. Have. To. Do. Anything.
Arresting people for a non-violent victimless crime makes you an asshole. Arresting people for a non-violent victimless crime when he knows people shouldn't be arrested for it makes him a hypocritical asshole.
And if he values being the only active LEO in LEAP more than the lives he fucks up by arresting people, he's an idiotic hypocritical asshole.
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I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.
That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
Brad and other bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...named and unnamed have all been asked repeatedly to quit their jobs and do it publicly to further our cause... They don't... They like the power trip... They aren't bothered by the fact that while they are jackbooting...they might run across someone who isn't "into" their erroneous supposed "authority" or "jurisdiction" and that person(s) might just ignore them...and then they might just "decide" that they "had no other choice" but to commit a murderous execution of the "non-compliant" "offender"...
Go figure...
quit your "job" Brad...
and Adam, Bob, Charles, David, Eugene, Frank, Gary, Henry, Ivan, Jerry, Kenny, Larry, Michael, Neal, Orville, Paul, Quinn, Randy, Steve, Tom, Ufuk, Val, William, Xavier, Yule, Zion...
-nevertheend_
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I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.
That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
Brad and other bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...named and unnamed have all been asked repeatedly to quit their jobs and do it publicly to further our cause... The don't... The like the power trip... They aren't bothered by the fact that while they are jackbooting...they might run across someone who isn't "into" their erroneous supposed "authority" or "jurisdiction" and that person(s) might just ignore them...and then they might just "decide" that they "had no other choice" but to commit a murderous execution of the "non-compliant" "offender"...
Go figure...
quit your "job" Brad...
and Adam, Bob, Charles, David, Eugene, Frank, Gary, Henry, Ivan, Jerry, Kenny, Larry, Michael, Neal, Orville, Paul, Quinn, Randy, Steve, Tom, Ufuk, Val, William, Xavier, Yule, Zion...
-nevertheend_
They shouldn't quit. They should stop arresting people for stupid shit, and wait to get fired.
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Federal arrest warrant out for Kat. (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14266.msg245919)
The US Department of Justice sent a notice today that they've put out a warrant for someone named Katherine Kanningdillon for disorderly conduct. They said they'll arrest this person in 10 days if the $125 fine isn't paid. It's signed by Stephen Monier. They sent a notice a couple of months ago, but we never signed for it, so didn't know what it said.
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I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.
That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
Brad is in the interesting position that if he were to witness a crime being committed in front of him, especially drug use, it could very likely be a sting operation being directed against him. He’s made himself enough enemies being a cop and anti-prohibition. Even if such wasn’t a sting, it would be used as an excuse to fire him.
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I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.
That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
Brad is in the interesting position that if he were to witness a crime being committed in front of him, especially drug use, it could very likely be a sting operation being directed against him. He’s made himself enough enemies being a cop and anti-prohibition. Even if such wasn’t a sting, it would be used as an excuse to fire him.
Stop excusing him.
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I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.
That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
No. He. Does. Not.
Brad is in the interesting position that if he were to witness a crime being committed in front of him, especially drug use, it could very likely be a sting operation being directed against him. He’s made himself enough enemies being a cop and anti-prohibition. Even if such wasn’t a sting, it would be used as an excuse to fire him.
And...that...justifies...him...how?
He should be put in jail for all the people he's locked away for victimless crimes.
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This (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14217.msg246025#msg246025) is why I don’t feel the need to keep pointing out stuff like that. People aren’t going to come around to your way of thinking if you keep yelling at them about how evil you think they are.
There is always the right step to take. Maybe it is time for these cops to take that next one.
This is why I and a lot of other people think it’s such a bad idea to attack and alienate the police who seem to be amenable to our movement here. They’ve taken the first steps in the right direction, and if we’re actually able to keep them on our side, friendly, and engaging in dialog with us, they’ll probably eventually take the next step, and the next, and so on. But if we make an enemy out of them (which is far easier than keeping them friends or at least friendly), we’ve lost any chance to get them over to our side, period.
And if they are only involved with freestaters to gather intel, so what? As long as we check ourselves around them and don’t give them anything useful, and don’t commit crimes in front of them, let them watch. Hell, if one of us actually have reasonable suspicion someone is a mole, let’s feed them misinformation. The worst thing to do with a suspected mole is to call them out before we have anything conclusive, which only makes them put up their guard, making it that much harder to ever get something conclusive on them.
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Ignored.
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Jeremy, you forget, this is the FTL BBS, where idiocy reigns supreme.
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this is the FTL BBS, where idiocy reigns supreme.
no, you don't
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Jeremy, you forget, this is the FTL BBS, where idiocy reigns supreme.
Unlike http://forumnazis.com ?
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Jeremy, you forget, this is the FTL BBS, where idiocy reigns supreme.
Get the fuck out then?
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I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these are why we're not getting anywhere.
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I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these are why we're not getting anywhere.
I'm doing fine. Sorry to hear you and yours are spinning your wheels.
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I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these are why we're not getting anywhere.
Where are we supposed to go?
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I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these are why we're not getting anywhere.
Where are we supposed to go?
Go? Why would you want to go anywhere? Going places, because of oppression is surrender. Creating another country is as dumb as moving in with your best friends. You think it'll be great, fun, and progressive. Until you realise you all have differing views and you end up spending most of your time squabbling.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14266.msg246092#msg246092
Katherine Kanningdillon:
BTW, I won't eat anything in jail...I'll just have water.
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Going places, because of oppression is surrender.
Mommy's alright, Daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don't give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.
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lolol
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I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these are why we're not getting anywhere.
GTFO, Sun Ra.
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5650/sun20ra2004we1.jpg)
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I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these are why we're not getting anywhere.
GTFO, Sun Ra.
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5650/sun20ra2004we1.jpg)
lmfao
No. I'm here to help! Jesus.. you love sacrificing your saviours.
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I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these are why we're not getting anywhere.
Threads like these are just for people like Blackie to jerk off. The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—
http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/
&c.
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The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—
http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/
:?
That is activism?
Anyway, I pretty much hate all activists. Those fucking douchebags always overstate their case. Always.
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The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—
http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/
:?
That is activism?
Anyway, I pretty much hate all activists. Those fucking douchebags always overstate their case. Always.
psh! Activism has been molested and left for dead in the rain. Real Activism is opting out of the system completely. Not fooling around in their carefully planned maze.
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The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—
http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/
:?
That is activism?
Anyway, I pretty much hate all activists. Those fucking douchebags always overstate their case. Always.
psh! Activism has been molested and left for dead in the rain. Real Activism is opting out of the system completely. Not fooling around in their carefully planned maze.
Activism means getting things changed. If you think you can accomplish that by opting out of the system or using their system, that’s fine by me.
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Activism is whatever you think will work best. If you think you can do best by staying where you are, do that. If you think you'd rather have backup, move to NH. If you'd like to form your own community (NH is certainly a good possibility for that)...talk to me and BJ.
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I have a small Co-Op :)
We're beginning to grow some food and expand into every day essentials. It's hard with... 4 people.. I wish the New Hampshire people luck
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Quote from Russell:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14494.msg248814#msg248814
I think Keene crash space is going to have to start costing you Dale. You might have set the record for most times changing your mind where you are going to live.
On second thought ... us Keeniacs will welcome you back to the fold. You can buy a place here and then we will run it for you when you move to Portsmouth in a year.
Not in Grafton.
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J’raxis 270145 :
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15404.msg186123#msg186123
And don’t forget that just being a freestater who’s out in Grafton is “doing something” in the fight for freedom.
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After finishing the entirety of the thread over on NHUnderground so far, I think I see why so many people are upset at the slut. I'm going to call her the slut because I can't figure out what her actual name is and why she has more than one. Still, I don't think I'd want the tubes clogged with a mess about my cheating husband.
The slut lives in Grafton now.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15404.msg186659#msg186659
If you'll excuse me now I don't really have time for this. I have a campaign website and literature to design for someone running for the NH House. After that I need to report back to Lud Flowers and Jerry Thibideau (you remember him, don't you?) what needs to get done for the Republican presence here in the Grafton Independence Day celebration... good day.
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Grafton has been soiled.
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Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.
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Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.
Did I miss something? You complain about Seth why?
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Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.
Did I miss something? You complain about Seth why?
Because, like you, he's annoying as shit.
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Quote from Russell:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14494.msg248814#msg248814
I think Keene crash space is going to have to start costing you Dale. You might have set the record for most times changing your mind where you are going to live.
On second thought ... us Keeniacs will welcome you back to the fold. You can buy a place here and then we will run it for you when you move to Portsmouth in a year.
Not in Grafton.
Who in their right state of mind would move to Grafton?
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That depends on if you love the woods. I love the woods, so I would.
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That depends on if you love the woods. I love the woods, so I would.
I love the woods too...I really do...but it's Grafton, dude. Grafton. I'd shoot myself first.
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I love the woods too...I really do...but it's Grafton, dude. Grafton. I'd shoot myself first.
What about Grafton you don't like? I've been there..its a nice, blink or you'll miss it country town. Lots of porcs are working hard to make it as free as possible there.
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Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.
Did I miss something? You complain about Seth why?
Because, like you, he's annoying as shit.
double this
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That depends on if you love the woods. I love the woods, so I would.
I love the woods too...I really do...but it's Grafton, dude. Grafton. I'd shoot myself first.
Wanna rent a house in Grafton?
I'll throw in a gun.
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What about Grafton you don't like? I've been there..its a nice, blink or you'll miss it country town.
The town isn't small....it's 40 square miles. The population is small.
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I love the woods too...I really do...but it's Grafton, dude. Grafton. I'd shoot myself first.
What about Grafton you don't like? I've been there..its a nice, blink or you'll miss it country town. Lots of porcs are working hard to make it as free as possible there.
More hillbillies than where I currently live. I can't handle that.
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The town isn't small....it's 40 square miles. The population is small.
Unh hunh...you knew what I meant.
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More hillbillies than where I currently live. I can't handle that.
flatlanders....stay in your suburb. We don't want you.
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It reminds me of where I grew up down in western MA which is mostly woods, and farms. Love it.
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It reminds me of where I grew up down in western MA which is mostly woods, and farms. Love it.
oh you're one of THOSE massholes!
(westa woostah is anuva cuntry)
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J’raxis 270145 :
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15404.msg186123#msg186123
And don’t forget that just being a freestater who’s out in Grafton is “doing something” in the fight for freedom.
Yup. And it’s counteracting malcontents like you, which really doesn’t matter, but is amusing nonetheless. :D
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Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.
I'm sure I've stopped complaining at some point in the past, but when dealing with folks like you or Blackie, the list of your faults is so long and endless, and so badly deserves to be voiced loudly, so as a public service I took it on :lol:
Just discovered this thread, read it, and it's pretty sad that some people have no lives and must spend their free time discussing the human flaws and drama of others, instead of being productive persons themselves.
I honestly have no idea what set Boner and/or Blackie off, except for the (very) few posts I've recently made about Grafton's banjo soundtrack and/or Tom Alciere's rape fantasies.
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I honestly have no idea what set Boner and/or Blackie off
Are you kidding?
Do you remember trying to sick the cops on me?
Seth Cohn tried to sick the cops on me:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12266.msg211092#msg211092
Just because your post is gone doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Just discovered this thread,
Did you discover this one?
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20977.0
P.S.
You got the grafton banjos joke from me.
My posts have been removed, but I was quoted.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11858.msg213608#msg213608
"Ever notice how you can hear dueling bajos as you ride down some of the dirt roads in Grafton?
Maybe that is just in my head."
Oh good I thought it was just me.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf
We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad! Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton. It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.
A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.
Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf
We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad! Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton. It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.
A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.
Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.
good riddence...
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf
We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad! Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton. It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.
A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.
Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.
good riddence...
Wow. You really are something, you know that?
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good riddence...
If you look at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf , the paper put out by the self proclaimed "freedom loving" people of Grafton, you will see they liked her. She was on your side, and by your side I mean the FSP/FTP/Babiarz side.
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good riddence...
If you look at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf , the paper put out by the self proclaimed "freedom loving" people of Grafton, you will see they liked her. She was on your side, and by your side I mean the FSP/FTP/Babiarz side.
I was referring specifically to her aggression/force/fraud against you previously...had you not pulled over...who knows what kind of bruce mckay actions she might have taken...
She WASN'T on "my" side...unless she was an anarchist...
-randwasright-
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf
We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad! Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton. It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.
A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.
Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.
good riddence...
Wow. You really are something, you know that?
you have absolutely no idea...
and if I told you...I'd have to kill you...
so I suppose you aren't really interested in knowing...
-randwasright-
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I was referring specifically to her aggression/force/fraud against you previously...had you not pulled over...who knows what kind of bruce mckay actions she might have taken...
There was no aggression/force/fraud on her part.
If I didn't stop, I would have lost her on a back road, Dukes of Hazzard style. I don't practice drifting for nuthin'. It is Grafton, after all, and there are no posted speed limits on most of the dirt roads.
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I was referring specifically to her aggression/force/fraud against you previously...had you not pulled over...who knows what kind of bruce mckay actions she might have taken...
There was no aggression/force/fraud on her part.
If I didn't stop, I would have lost her on a back road, Dukes of Hazzard style. I don't practice drifting for nuthin'. It is Grafton, after all, and there are no posted speed limits on most of the dirt roads.
There WAS fraud in the fact that she had no legitimate contract with you to be in a position to signal you to stop your journey just so she could give you "a piece of her mind"...and an opinion...
If you had been open carrying she probably would have claimed you brandished it...
Then she would have claimed your Dukes impression was reckless driving...driftin' fast and furious...grafton-style and all...dirt and cow patties be damned...
Of course, if you'd have crashed she might have pulled up and rendered first aid...CPR, Mouth to Mouth, maybe even a Neck Tourniquet...who knows...
Enjoy!
-you'regoingtogetwhatyoudeserve-
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There WAS fraud in the fact that she had no legitimate contract with you to be in a position to signal you to stop your journey just so she could give you "a piece of her mind"...and an opinion...
People don't need a contract with me in order to send me a "signal" or to talk to me in a public place. Is it fraud if someone honks at me?
What she did is better than calling the cops without attempting to contact me first.
If you had been open carrying she probably would have claimed you brandished it...
I almost never open carry. I think it is a bad idea.
Then she would have claimed your Dukes impression was reckless driving
It would have been.
But she would have to go home to call the po-po, cus Grafton is pretty much a cell-phone dead zone.
-randisdead-
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I think Rob just likes the thought of people dying.
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I think Rob just likes the thought of people dying.
Quite the contrary...
Not that I care whether you, or anyone else, believes that...
It will definitely be a sad day when the wholesale repelling begins...
We're still trying to avoid that, but there is a very high probability that Rand was correct in her hypothesis that the looters will have to consume everything...including themselves...
www.campaignforliberty.com
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I think Rob just likes the thought of people dying.
Quite the contrary...
Not that I care whether you, or anyone else, believes that...
It will definitely be a sad day when the wholesale repelling begins...
We're still trying to avoid that, but there is a very high probability that Rand was correct in her hypothesis that the looters will have to consume everything...including themselves...
www.campaignforliberty.com
Ayn Rand was a snotnosed bitch.
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(http://hasdrubal.actionbabecentral.com/polarbearchick.jpg)
When the SHTF I want these beasties on my side...
Enjoy!
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This is the first time I ever actually did enjoy one of your posts.
enjoy
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This is the first time I ever actually did enjoy one of your posts.
Why, because that's you in another dimension?
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Burning Pork
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14649.msg250802#msg250802
Monday 14th- Diehards get there and start fixing things up
Tuesday - Perfect weather planned, life is good
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Wednesday - Water balloon and squirt gun war
- Evening - Lloyd roast
Thursday - Morning hike to Mt. Cardigan
- Evening - Tim Condon roast
Friday
- Morning -
- Evening - Bush Pinata bashing, Tall Tale Telling - Shorty roast, Big Burning Porcupine
Saturday
- Morning -
- Evening - Biggest Burning Porcupine, open mic
Sunday - Pilgrimage to Gun Worship service at Little Minnesota? Altexpo - meeting?
- Evening - Russell roast
Monday -
Tuesday -
Wednesday -
Thursday -
Friday -
to be scheduled:
Lex triathlon
Flaming arrows
Pitchfork tossing contest
Scrabble tourney
They should let me be a part of the roasts. I have been writting the jokes for the last 4 years.
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I have been writting the jokes for the last 4 years.
No shit.
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Blackie you should be elected president so we can call your home the black house.
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I'm the president of another dimension. Well, Another Dimension, LLC.
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Pitchfork tossing contest
:lol:
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Burning pork starts tomorrow. It's gunna be great.
Here's how the amphitheater looks now
(http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3231)
The showerhouse (?) Lloyd is building
(http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3232)
The newly hayed fields look great
(http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3233)
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Seriously, is everyone that's going to Burning Porc just going to sit around and get high? Because that looks like that's all there is to do.
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When I first heard of the burning pork, I thought it must be to help kat and russell build their hidy hole, cus wtf else do you do in grafton for two weeks?
I'm sure there will be a lot of grafton marketing. I would like to go just to hear the sales pitch.
Now they seem to be fixing up one of Bob Hull's properties up...the old hoyt farm across the street from John Babiarz house.
Oh, the LPNH annual picnic is gunna be there on the 20th, and Bob Barr may show up.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14649.msg251138#msg251138
That would be the 20th, yes?
Is the LPNH picnic still on? I just spoke to Brendan Kelly, and he asked me when it was. He won't be there on Sunday.
How would people here feel about a certain LP Presidential Candidate making an appearance on Sunday? It would certainly put BP on the map (and quite a headline for the Gazette). The Northeast coordinator is checking the schedule.
Should I encourage or discourage this?
And also a funeral for the LP on the same day.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14701.0
It's gunna be great.
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You should join in.
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Good times at Manch Porc Manor
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14815
It was getting so good at the FSP forum, so they had to move the thread to a members only section.
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Good times at Manch Porc Manor
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14815
It was getting so good at the FSP forum, so they had to move the thread to a members only section.
Any juicy details? I can't really tell what happened. Looks like some guy went crazy or something. Did Dalebert get really drunk and start streaking through Porc Manor? :lol:
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Dalebert: "Also, I've been diagnosed with ADHD"
Is that why he continue with the unfunny comic site?
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:lol:
Reading free state stuff is better than reading about WWII.
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Damn, there's some juicy stuff in the Partipants Only forum. Luckily, I registered as a fake member awhile ago and have access, hehe.
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Good times at Manch Porc Manor
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14815
It was getting so good at the FSP forum, so they had to move the thread to a members only section.
Any juicy details? I can't really tell what happened. Looks like some guy went crazy or something. Did Dalebert get really drunk and start streaking through Porc Manor? :lol:
One of the housemates assaulted another housemate and got kicked out of the house. This guy is renting rooms out to incoming porcupines, so we warned them the only way we could. It wasn't all that dramatic, really.
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Good times at Manch Porc Manor
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14815
It was getting so good at the FSP forum, so they had to move the thread to a members only section.
Any juicy details? I can't really tell what happened. Looks like some guy went crazy or something. Did Dalebert get really drunk and start streaking through Porc Manor? :lol:
One of the housemates assaulted another housemate and got kicked out of the house. This guy is renting rooms out to incoming porcupines, so we warned them the only way we could. It wasn't all that dramatic, really.
Wat
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One of the housemates assaulted another housemate and got kicked out of the house.
What kind of assault?
It wasn't all that dramatic, really.
Really?
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One of the housemates assaulted another housemate and got kicked out of the house.
What kind of assault?
He put broken glass on the step ladder she uses to get in and out of her room.
It wasn't all that dramatic, really.
Really?
Really. We were warning the community about a sociopath. That's not drama.
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I'm still confused as to the details of this situation.
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I'm still confused as to the details of this situation.
Ok.
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I'm still confused as to the details of this situation.
Ok.
Well, fuck you then.
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I'm still confused as to the details of this situation.
Ok.
Well, fuck you then.
Sure.
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He put broken glass on the step ladder she uses to get in and out of her room.
What kind of broken glass, and why does she need a step ladder to get in and out of her room?
How does everyone know he did it?
It wasn't all that dramatic, really.
Really?
Really. We were warning the community about a sociopath. That's not drama.
Assaulting a house mate is drama. Trying to evict someone is drama. Flame wars between house mates is drama. Demanding someone come out of his room, so you can scream at him and video tape it is drama. Or maybe that is just what happens every day at porc manner?
Anyway, the best part is now I get to spread rumors because yall feel the need to 'hide' the topic on the FSP forum. Good times.
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"Then I'll rape a lama to top that drama."
[youtube=425,350]XlnOnwW9frU[/youtube]
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What kind of broken glass, and why does she need a step ladder to get in and out of her room?
How does everyone know he did it?
it was glass from one of those jar candles.
She needs a ladder to get into her room because the elevator is broken.
We suspect he was the one who did it because he doesn't have an alibi and his behavior following this incident is extremely suspicious.
Every encounter I have had with the guy he has been pretty polite and civil however I have always gotten a really strange vibe about him. There is something wrong with him.
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Anyway, the best part is now I get to spread rumors because yall feel the need to 'hide' the topic on the FSP forum. Good times.
I have no idea what happened to the thread. Either the mods deleted it or mackler deleted it. I'm not sure if users can delete their threads on the fsp forum or not.
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All I know is Mackler is no longer welcome over at our home. Ever.
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All I know is Mackler is no longer welcome over at our home. Ever.
He can shop at my store, for twice the price.
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We suspect he was the one who did it because he doesn't have an alibi and his behavior following this incident is extremely suspicious.
At least you only suspect it.
Doesn't have an alibi...WTF?
Were those two having issues before the incident?
Isn't it possible the chick did it herself, and just blamed him?
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All I know is Mackler is no longer welcome over at our home. Ever.
Who is this guy? What's the link to his accounts here/on the NH Free forum?
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1331
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You can usually tell a bad seed from the get-go.
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Posts: 344 (0.869 per day)
Karma: 1017
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Posts: 344 (0.869 per day)
Karma: 1017
Could be his pals helping him out.
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Seriously, is everyone that's going to Burning Porc just going to sit around and get high? Because that looks like that's all there is to do.
of course they're going to steal my idea for Toking Porcupine festival
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The FSP is run by Jews!!!!!
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14183.msg254165#msg254165
1st - What is the representation of jews on the FSP board?
Is there an over representation of dual loyalist jews, as it is in many other organizations that love freedom. Where said organization starts to do good, then later dual loyalists are elected, then all of a sudden said effort starts to fizzle, because of these judas goats working against it inside. FSP is currently NOT meeting their goals of people moving to NH, Et Tu Brute Rich? I can tell you of dozens of movements and organizations where this has happened time and time again. Ron Pauls 2008 Revolution is just the latest to get derailed. The revolutionary sayanim is right smack in the middle of it all.
Rich, are you only sensitive to jewish issues, because everything you listed in the email below as offensive to FSP has to do solely with posts/categories exposing the crimes of the criminal jew. (I said CRIMINAL JEW not all jews) One of the writers you happen to chose is a Canadien jew by the name of Henry Makow, who has no problem exposing jewish crimes and criminals. But henry must be a self hater. Obviously you didn?t read the piece he wrote, only the sensationalism of the title? http://pokerface.org/fx/viewtopic.php?t=5486
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If I had taken your attitude of protecting criminal illegal-Mexicans in writing this email to Poker Face, I would be telling them that all of their anti-illegal immigration posts
http://pokerface.org/fx/viewforum.php?f=28
are RACIST and SUPREMACIST, & that Poker Face are a bunch of Minute-Klanners etc..? oh yeah that?s right, I have gotten called those names too, because of my AMERICAN FIRST actions. But instead I get a shitty little email like the one you wrote to me, whining about how we?re haters and anti-semites for what we allow to be posted on our forum. Grow the fuck up.
Now I find out that you are going out of your way to fuck up other events and relationship.
Quick question? Are you American First or are you JEW first. If you want me to see you color blind, then act like an American Firster, and stop covering for jews who are criminals, for that?s all we do. By you being offended by the articles posted, tells me what side of freedom YOU choose to be on ? the half truthers side. We don?t care what the truth is, no matter how ugly it may be against our own favorite groups, or against the grain of our programmed ? education. Truth is always paramount., and as well should be for EVERYONE else.
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Those FSPers sound like a bunch of liberal pussies. I'm Wyoming bound!
I'm Alaska bound!
... as soon as I can pay off my student loans.
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I wouldn't even joke about moving to those two states.
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There's more drama brewin'... I expected to see it on this thread. I'm disappointed, Blackie. I thought you'd gimme some dirt.
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Those FSPers sound like a bunch of liberal pussies. I'm Wyoming bound!
I'm Alaska bound!
... as soon as I can pay off my student loans.
What makes Alaska so good? They don't wear cowboy hats in Alaska.
Which makes it better than any other state where they wear cowboy hats.
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The FSP could be turned into a Spanish TV drama. Tonighto on Libertado Estado Projecto... Russel Kanning gets arrestado for something randomino and estupido...
Think Telemundo will buy it?
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The FSP could be turned into a Spanish TV drama. Tonighto on Libertado Estado Projecto... Russel Kanning gets arrestado for something randomino and estupido...
Think Telemundo will buy it?
Not enough sex.
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The FSP could be turned into a Spanish TV drama. Tonighto on Libertado Estado Projecto... Russel Kanning gets arrestado for something randomino and estupido...
Think Telemundo will buy it?
Not enough sex.
Can't they get Whitney to run around naked and yell, "¡Oh mi dios, ese hombre tiene un bigote enorme!"?
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There's more drama brewin'... I expected to see it on this thread. I'm disappointed, Blackie. I thought you'd gimme some dirt.
Is it Grafton related?
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Did the state auction off the Kanning's property yet for not paying property taxes?
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There's more drama brewin'... I expected to see it on this thread. I'm disappointed, Blackie. I thought you'd gimme some dirt.
Is it Grafton related?
No. Gosh, all you think about is Grafton. A one track mind if I even saw one.
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Did the state auction off the Kanning's property yet for not paying property taxes?
They signed up for sat internet today. Looks like they plan on being in "hobbitown" for a while
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14945.msg254490#msg254490
we ordered hughes 2day
Fuck that.
http://go.gethughesnet.com/fapolicy.cfm?hf=0
Fair Access Policy
To ensure fair Internet access for all HughesNet® subscribers, HUGHES maintains a Fair Access Policy (FAP). This policy establishes an equitable balance in Internet access for HughesNet subscribers. Hughes assigns a download threshold to each service plan that limits the amount of data that may be downloaded during a typical day. A small percentage of subscribers who exceed this limit will experience a temporary reduction of speed.
Explanation:
The Fair Access Policy is straightforward. Based on an analysis of customer usage data, Hughes has established a download threshold for each of the HughesNet service plans that is well above the typical usage rates. Subscribers who exceed that threshold will experience reduced download speeds for approximately 24 hours.
During this recovery period, the HughesNet service may still be used, but speeds will be slower. Web browsing, for example, will be significantly slower than subscribers’ normal browsing experience. Subscribers will return to normal download speeds after the recovery period as long as they minimize their bandwidth-intensive activities. If they continue these activities during this recovery period, reduced download speeds may continue beyond 24 hours.
Threshold
Home 200 MB
Pro 300 MB
ProPlus 425 MB
Elite 500 MB
ElitePlus 500 MB
Small Office 500 MB
Business Internet 1,250 MB
Threshold
IA100 374 MB
IA150 425 MB
IA200 500 MB
IA300 1,250 MB
IA400 1,250 MB
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LOL, I burn through a gig a day on just ACK packets.
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Russell Kanning in court tomorrow.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14630.0
Russell in court 8/19/08 at 10am for driving without government papers.
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Russell Kanning in court tomorrow.
Bah. Keene.
Wake me up when it's in Federal court.
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Russell Kanning in court tomorrow.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14630.0
Russell in court 8/19/08 at 10am for driving without government papers.
Dude.
Again?
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Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!
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Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!
OUR HOUSE!
Doo doo doo doo doo doo dooooo
OUR HOUSE!
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Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!
I dare you to show up.
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Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!
I dare you to show up.
I've got better things to do, like make money. And Keene is out of the way. Who the fuck goes there?
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Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!
I dare you to show up.
What, are you going to fight him with your walker?
Or are you using crutches?
Wait, is it a cain? It's probably a cain. Be careful around Hampton's cain, Darkie.
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Cane.
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(http://www.canemasters.com/images/cad-acs-anim.gif)
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Cane.
Fuck you, I was thinking of the Bible when I wrote that shit.
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Cane.
Fuck you, I was thinking of the Bible when I wrote that shit.
Ahuh.
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Cane.
Fuck you, I was thinking of the Bible when I wrote that shit.
Ahuh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah
I really was. I was thinking of comparing him to the oldest man who ever lived.
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Cane.
Fuck you, I was thinking of the Bible when I wrote that shit.
Ahuh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah
I really was. I was thinking of comparing him to the oldest man who ever lived.
Ahuh.
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One down, two to go.
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wat
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I just realized the only forums I have ever been banned from are NHunderground and the FSP.
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wat
Hm, wat to do, wat to do. Ah, I've got it!
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You started it.
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Someone's been playing with the database.
Name: Blackie
Posts: 1512 (N/A per day)
Position:
Date Registered: Today at 12:08:06 AM
Last Active: Today at 01:06:43 AM
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Someone's been playing with the database.
Name: Blackie
Posts: 1512 (N/A per day)
Position:
Date Registered: Today at 12:08:06 AM
Last Active: Today at 01:06:43 AM
Apparently he hasn't fucked with my account yet.
Ian should get his admin on a leash.
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Ian should get his admin on a leash.
He's not the admin, Johnson is.
Either way, someone is directly editing SQL database.
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Ian should get his admin on a leash.
He's not the admin, Johnson is.
Either way, someone is directly editing SQL database.
Or so he claims. He was able to lable John Shaw's parody troll accounts Shithead right after he told John he didn't have administrator powers.
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someone is directly editing SQL database.
No, they're probably using mysql. You have to be pretty hardcore to edit database files directly :P
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Is Russell in jail yet?
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The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
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Someone's deleting and recreating their account to avoid responsibility for their own words.
Seems to happen around here all the time.
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Someone's deleting and recreating their account to avoid responsibility for their own words.
Seems to happen around here all the time.
You lied to me, and I don't know if I can believe what you say anymore.
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Someone's deleting and recreating their account to avoid responsibility for their own words.
You think that is why people do it? Error. You can edit or delete posts before you delete the account. After you delete the account, the posts can't be changed or removed.
Just wondering, which of my posts do you think I am trying to avoid responsibility for? Links please.
Anyway, please update this thread when you find out what happens with Russell. Thanks!
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So, what, you're trying to keep yourself from being able to edit or delete your own posts?!
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14630.msg255868
Russell agrees to perform 30 hours of community service at $10/hr to pay off his $300 fine. Video will be coming.
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Broadcast on Porc-411:
Russ is free, but the Municipal Corporation of Keene believe Russ owes it $300 or 30 hours of community service.
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Broadcast on Porc-411:
Russ is free, but the Municipal Corporation of Keene believe Russ owes it $300 or 30 hours of community service.
Didn't he agree to it?
If he did, he must believe it too.
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There used to be an URL on ioerror.us where one could link to and download Porc411 messages.
Error -- is such a URL still available?
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There used to be an URL on ioerror.us where one could link to and download Porc411 messages.
Error -- is such a URL still available?
There's a podcast (http://feeds.feedburner.com/Porcupine411) on porcupine411.com (http://www.porcupine411.com/) where you can probably get the messages.
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Broadcast on Porc-411:
Russ is free, but the Municipal Corporation of Keene believe Russ owes it $300 or 30 hours of community service.
Didn't he agree to it?
If he did, he must believe it too.
I was supposed to do community service once. . .and according to courts in Nashua, I did. . . hehe
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Jason Sorens had "moved" to NH from Sept-Dec., but had to rush back to his house in NY to find his cat.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15782.msg191341#msg191341
Unfortunately, we won't be at the two events above after all. Late last night, we got an e-mail from our house-sitters that our cat had been missing for 3 days. We drove back all night, and long story short, the cat is now safe, but with a required department meeting coming up on the 22nd, I think we will bunker down in Buffalo for a week before returning to NH.
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Jason Sorens had "moved" to NH from Sept-Dec., but had to rush back to his house in NY to find his cat.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15782.msg191341#msg191341
Unfortunately, we won't be at the two events above after all. Late last night, we got an e-mail from our house-sitters that our cat had been missing for 3 days. We drove back all night, and long story short, the cat is now safe, but with a required department meeting coming up on the 22nd, I think we will bunker down in Buffalo for a week before returning to NH.
You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for “drama” now, aren’t you?
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Jason Sorens had "moved" to NH from Sept-Dec., but had to rush back to his house in NY to find his cat.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15782.msg191341#msg191341
Unfortunately, we won't be at the two events above after all. Late last night, we got an e-mail from our house-sitters that our cat had been missing for 3 days. We drove back all night, and long story short, the cat is now safe, but with a required department meeting coming up on the 22nd, I think we will bunker down in Buffalo for a week before returning to NH.
You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for “drama” now, aren’t you?
It was drama but drama in NY. Maybe blackie moved to NY and now considers it the free state.
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Jason Sorens had "moved" to NH from Sept-Dec., but had to rush back to his house in NY to find his cat.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15782.msg191341#msg191341
Unfortunately, we won't be at the two events above after all. Late last night, we got an e-mail from our house-sitters that our cat had been missing for 3 days. We drove back all night, and long story short, the cat is now safe, but with a required department meeting coming up on the 22nd, I think we will bunker down in Buffalo for a week before returning to NH.
You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for “drama” now, aren’t you?
Nope. The founder of the FPS "moves" to NH to fulfill his first 1000 pledge, but has to leave early because Mr. Wiskers goes missing. That is some funny shit. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.
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Nope. The founder of the FPS "moves" to NH to fulfill his first 1000 pledge, but has to leave early because Mr. Wiskers goes missing. That is some funny shit. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.
I think you just did. He didn't leave early, whatever that means.
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Nope. The founder of the FPS "moves" to NH to fulfill his first 1000 pledge, but has to leave early because Mr. Wiskers goes missing. That is some funny shit. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.
I think you just did. He didn't leave early, whatever that means.
Yeah, I hijacked his account and posted that on the FSP forum.
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Nope. The founder of the FPS "moves" to NH to fulfill his first 1000 pledge, but has to leave early because Mr. Wiskers goes missing. That is some funny shit. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.
I think you just did. He didn't leave early, whatever that means.
Yeah, I hijacked his account and posted that on the FSP forum.
Post what on his account? He currently lives in NH but is still a teacher in NY and will move back to his apartment before the 1st semester of 2009 starts, from my understanding.
However, he is currently in NY, for a few days.
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He currently lives in NH but is still a teacher in NY and will move back to his apartment before the 1st semester of 2009 starts, from my understanding.
He lives in NH, but he owns a house and has a job in NY, and also is currently in NY. :D
When I was doing my roadtrip recently, I lived in Tonawanda, NY for about 30 mins.
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I don't get why everyone worships Jason Sorens as the 'founder' of the FSP. All he did was write a fucking essay, and then a couple of idealistic people took the idea and ran with it. Those people are the ones who should be considered the 'founders' of the FSP.
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I don't get why everyone worships Jason Sorens as the 'founder' of the FSP. All he did was write a fucking essay, and then a couple of idealistic people took the idea and ran with it. Those people are the ones who should be considered the 'founders' of the FSP.
Who worships Jason because he founded the FSP? I worship him because he listens to crazy metal music and gives out free drinks (good ones, I might add).
But, anyway, thanks for the nice words :)
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I don't get why everyone worships Jason Sorens as the 'founder' of the FSP. All he did was write a fucking essay, and then a couple of idealistic people took the idea and ran with it. Those people are the ones who should be considered the 'founders' of the FSP.
Who worships Jason because he founded the FSP? I worship him because he listens to crazy metal music and gives out free drinks (good ones, I might add).
But, anyway, thanks for the nice words :)
Damn, and here I thought I was the only Jason who listens to crazy metal music and gives out drinks.
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Free Stater banned from Murphy's taproom for not tipping. (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15863.0)
Crazy shit.
http://mike.barskey.net/Mike_Barskey/Thoughts/Entries/2008/10/28_I_Was_Banned_For_Not_Tipping.html
Keith then told me, "This is nothing personal against you, but if you're not going to take care of my wait staff, I don't want you in my restaurant. It's your right to not tip, but it's my right to not want you as a customer." I replied, "OK. I understand. Please refund my $4.00 and I'll leave. Can I have five minutes to say goodbye to my friends?" He allowed me five minutes.
As I was saying goodbye to my friends, Keith approached me and gave me my $4.00 and showed me the original receipt, explaining "It was an accident. The waitress though the zero you wrote on the tip line was a four, and you can see it does kind of look like a four." It did indeed look like a four. But I did not write it that way. When I write any dollar amount, ever, I write the full amount, like "$4.00" or "4.00" - never like "4" - but on the receipt, all that was written was "0" and that had a few extra lines and squiggles that made it look kind of like a "4." And the number "3" in the total amount at the bottom of the receipt had been written over as well, to make "$23.20" look like "$27.20" - I did not do that, either. I stuttered a few seconds, trying to find a polite way to tell Keith that it was not an accident, that his waitress intentionally stole my money, but I figured he was not going to un-ban me and I didn't see a point, so I just said, "OK."
I recognize that it is Keith's restaurant - his private property - and as such he has the right to choose his customers. I do not hold it against him that he banned me, or even that he disagrees with me about tipping. I am merely disappointed that I will no longer be able to go to Taproom Tuesdays. I really enjoyed that event. And there are some friends that I hardly ever see except there. Oh well, I'll have to make more of an effort to see them elsewhere.
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Manchester seems boring.
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Haha.
Fucking Jews.
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John Babiarz has a heart attack.
http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf
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Getting bent out of shape over a tip is stupid. I still have yet to hear if the service was any good. If not, then I too would not tip.
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This guy just doesn't believe people SHOULD tip. So he doesn't, even though he knows he pisses people off wherever he goes by so doing. And he wasn't banned.
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This guy just doesn't believe people SHOULD tip. So he doesn't, even though he knows he pisses people off wherever he goes by so doing. And he wasn't banned.
That's fine. I waited on tables for about a year and some people didn't tip no matter what. It didn't matter much to me, they got the same level of service no matter what. I'd rather keep them as a customer in order to keep the business going so other people who do tip could come in and make up for it.
Now if no one tipped, I wouldn't have worked there. I think my hourly wage was ~$2.35/hour at that time. A terrible wage for the work that was required.
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This guy just doesn't believe people SHOULD tip. So he doesn't, even though he knows he pisses people off wherever he goes by so doing. And he wasn't banned.
That's fine. I waited on tables for about a year and some people didn't tip no matter what. It didn't matter much to me, they got the same level of service no matter what. I'd rather keep them as a customer in order to keep the business going so other people who do tip could come in and make up for it.
Now if no one tipped, I wouldn't have worked there. I think my hourly wage was ~$2.35/hour at that time. A terrible wage for the work that was required.
Great attitude. 8) Very libertarian of you.
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1) It's a private business -- Murphy's rules, baby.
2) Murphy knows he needs to find & retain good staff in order to keep his customers
3) If the staff hate the FSPers because they don't tip, eventually one or the other has gotta go
4) 80+% of the FSPers tip like 80+% of normal people
5) ~20 of the FSPers tip extra cause we are like that (d_goddard proudly tips at LEAST 20% for decent service, especially on a damn $10 order)
6) <1% of FSPers don't tip either due to some weird moral theory (Barskey) or because they are cheap bastards (no names given)
7) Murphy's calculation to lose one guy who buys less than $20/week vs. pissing off a hard-o-find good server was an easy one
8) If you think tipping is stupid, OPEN UP YOUR OWN DAMN BAR and implement a no-tips policy. Have fun finding waitstaff!
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Getting bent out of shape over a tip is stupid. I still have yet to hear if the service was any good. If not, then I too would not tip.
The service is a little slow when the place is packed. About like any bar.
OTOH, the waitstaff are fucking hot and the outfits they wear are in that perfect grey area between respectable and slutty.
Murphy's FTW!
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1) It's a private business -- Murphy's rules, baby.
God I'm so sick of hearing this shit from libertarians.
WE KNOW YOU OWN YOUR PROPERTY AND CAN SET WHATEVER RULES YOU WANT FOR IT. GOOD FOR YOU.
That doesn't mean that people can't criticize the way you run it. You don't need to bring up this stupid ass redundant point everytime someone has a problem with a business establishment.
Manchester seems boring.
It's the most boring city I've ever been to.
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1) It's a private business -- Murphy's rules, baby.
I'm with Josh on this. No shit Sherlock. Everyone knows that. That's not the issue and never was.
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1) It's a private business -- Murphy's rules, baby.
That makes theft ok?
OTOH, the waitstaff are fucking hot and the outfits they wear are in that perfect grey area between respectable and slutty.
Wasn't Ivy on the waitstaff?
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This is so petty you guys, as if there were't enough of these guys, the project is losing people because ... and I confused here... he DID tip but the waitress stole the money or he DID NOT tip (asshole) and the waiter got (righteously) angry. Either way, no one is get foreclosed on because they lost 4.00 lousy dollars. Just role your eyes, and next time, when you go there again, sit on the outside of the booth or table or whatever and make sure the waitress who stole the money "accidentally" trips on your foot while carrying something heavy.
Oh yeah, let me get on my soap box here, and say that waiting tables SUCKS. I was a waiter at a shitty little family restaurant called "Mabel's" in Traverse City Michigan and it was the most traumatic experience I have ever had. Constantly flitting around from table to table, orders changing, needs ever shifting, other waiters desperatly trying to please people getting in my way, constant traffic jams at the salad making station, butter on the uniform - unavoidable - manager is angry - don't let it happen again, old people not tipping, getting a Chic Tract instead of a tip from some "paula-esque" nut job woman, getting trashed talked by the good old boys sitting in the corner booth who think I'm gay because my apron looks like a fucking skirt - I didn't make the uniform assholes!, night clean-up and my back is killing me, stupid asshole females who think I should know what fish and chips is when its not even on the menu!!!!! Come on, I'm not british (unfortunately), I don't know what you mean by fish and chips! I'm sorry ok?.....You know those idiots who whine about getting old and how being young was so awesome?! I thank god everyday I'm 28 years old and counting. I hated being young, it sucked. Mabel's was one of those defining experiences in my life. I taught me that I do NOT want to be a manual laborer for the rest of my life. I worked there for 3 months while on break from college. I now tip all waiters and waitresses $5, I don't care how bad their service is, its just a thing with me. Oh, to be fair, I was the world's worst waiter. Damn females with their verbal skills and their great short term memories ran circles around me and always left the restraunt at night smilling with atleast 70 more dollars in tips than I did. I would, LITERALLY, rather suck dick on figueroa and 110th street every night than go back to being a waiter.
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No, Barskey (the guy in question) doesn't believe in tipping, ever, for any reason. The owner, Keith at first banned him and then said he could come back with the knowledge that he will automatically add 15% on just Barskey's bill to make up for his refusal to tip. That's the situation.
It's not effecting anything, except causing some drama because (some) folk disagree about the custom of tipping.
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I wonder if restaurants would pay waitstaff nothing if the law would allow it.
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I wonder if restaurants would pay waitstaff nothing if the law would allow it.
They practically already do. The meager hourly wage you make up is chewed up by the Government in the form of taxes because you're making "tips" and you still get taxed on the tips at the end of the day. Assholes.
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I wonder if restaurants would pay waitstaff nothing if the law would allow it.
They practically already do. The meager hourly wage you make up is chewed up by the Government in the form of taxes because you're making "tips" and you still get taxed on the tips at the end of the day. Assholes.
I take that as a yes.
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If you think tipping is stupid, OPEN UP YOUR OWN DAMN BAR and implement a no-tips policy. Have fun finding waitstaff!
How hard can it be to find unskilled labor if you pay them a fair wage?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12tipping-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/07/magazine/12tipping-500.jpg)
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This guy just doesn't believe people SHOULD tip. So he doesn't, even though he knows he pisses people off wherever he goes by so doing. And he wasn't banned.
error...you smoke, right? ... cuz I've seen you in a video smoking outside of that place one time. So those "libertarians" don't let you smoke in there? How does that make you feel? Do you give tips for such amazing (<---sarcasm) "liberty-minded" hospitality?
I certainly don't give tips for such blatantly stupid trolling.
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Getting bent out of shape over a tip is stupid. I still have yet to hear if the service was any good. If not, then I too would not tip.
The service is a little slow when the place is packed. About like any bar.
OTOH, the waitstaff are fucking hot and the outfits they wear are in that perfect grey area between respectable and slutty.
Murphy's FTW!
So it's kinda like a titty bar, you just can't buy lap dances?
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I wonder if restaurants would pay waitstaff nothing if the law would allow it.
I would prefer that the waitstaff were all independent "contractors"...contracting with each person/party/group separately...
I strongly encourage anyone/everyone exchanging their time/effort/labor/brainpower/etc. for anything else...at all...ever...EVER...
To do so as much as possible and to REMEMBER THAT YOUR PERSONAL BUSINESS IS JUST THAT...YOUR PERSONAL BUSINESS...
What part of "refusing to incriminate yourself"...don't you understand...
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=211.msg1681;topicseen#msg1681
AnarchoJesse (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4091) is a fraud.
Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known. Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles but it has come to my attention that this is not the case. He stayed on my couch for two months, feeding me lies and stealing my food and who knows what else. Josh too has become the most recent victim of his and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP) is not who he claims to be. At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth. I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up. He is a master of manipulation, taking advantage of the compassion which he receives. For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick, while in actually, he has been womanizing, stealing, and promoting violence. I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen. I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual, if you don't, you may be his next victim. I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=211.msg1681;topicseen#msg1681
AnarchoJesse (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4091) is a fraud.
Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known. Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles but it has come to my attention that this is not the case. He stayed on my couch for two months, feeding me lies and stealing my food and who knows what else. Josh too has become the most recent victim of his and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP) is not who he claims to be. At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth. I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up. He is a master of manipulation, taking advantage of the compassion which he receives. For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick, while in actually, he has been womanizing, stealing, and promoting violence. I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen. I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual, if you don't, you may be his next victim. I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news
Get your worthless anarchojesse notes now!!!!
What a great fuckin' idea. Here, give me money for these labor notes. Hopefully you'll lose them and I'll keep your money. If you don't, hopefully you won't redeem them. If you do redeem them, then I guess I'll just have to do something. Wouldn't it be easier to just pay me for the work at that moment rather than buying these stupid labor notes?
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:lol:
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So, can you smoke in Murphy's Fagroom or not?
I think it was no smoking before the NH smoking ban.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=211.msg1681;topicseen#msg1681
Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known. Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles but it has come to my attention that this is not the case. He stayed on my couch for two months, feeding me lies and stealing my food and who knows what else. Josh too has become the most recent victim of his and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP) is not who he claims to be. At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth. I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up. He is a master of manipulation, taking advantage of the compassion which he receives. For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick, while in actually, he has been womanizing, stealing, and promoting violence. I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen. I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual, if you don't, you may be his next victim. I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news
This post/thread has been edited to:
I'm going to deal with this ofline
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Yeah and to give another side to this, comments from William in response to Zaphar's-
Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known.
Emotional gibberish.
Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles
Fact
but it has come to my attention that this is not the case.
Nothing in the rest of your statement is conclusive on this point.
He stayed on my couch for two months,
Paid? Not paid? What was agreed upon?
feeding me lies
Specifically?
and stealing my food
Did you offer it or make it available? Was it really 'stealing'?
and who knows what else.
That seems baseless.
Josh too has become the most recent victim of this
Meaningless. Unless it comes from Josh, it's just hearsay.
and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP), is not who he claims to be.
Entirely irrelevant. Many people don't use their real name especially online and that persona can carry over to everyday life. There are several Freestaters I can think of off the top of my head who are known only by nicknames or not their given name at any rate.
At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth.
Gross generalization. I doubt that everything he says is a lie and who a person really is has nothing to do with their name.
I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up.
What needs to add up?
He is a master of manipulation,
Ooo, master no less. Not apprentice of manipulation?
taking advantage of the compassion which he receives.
Sounds like you 'gave' something but didn't freely give it and now you think someone owes you something.
For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick,
The work with Jack may have fallen through or might still happen.
while in actually, he has been womanizing,
Who cares?
stealing,
Prove it.
and promoting violence.
A specious claim.
I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen.
What would be the point of that? Are you pissed about the flag getting burned and taking it out in other areas?
I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual,
You'll need to provide a lot more (I should say some) actual evidence and without the emotional baggage if you expect me to ostracize someone.
if you don't, you may be his next victim.
Jesse isn't capable of victimizing me. In fact most so called "victims" are simply suffering the consequences of their poor choices and refusing to accept responsibility for them. The claim of victimhood allows them to avoid ever doing so.
I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news
Please do get some rest and then, if you feel that Jesse has acted in a manner that would qualify for ostracism, try to present the case in a reasoned and factual manner.
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Whats so surprising about grifters being attached to this crowd? I'd be surprised if there weren't any.
Any time two Free Staters disagree or fight about anything, it proves the FSP is doomed to failure.
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Whats so surprising about grifters being attached to this crowd? I'd be surprised if there weren't any.
Any time two Free Staters disagree or fight about anything, it proves the FSP is doomed to failure.
No, that isn't the proof the FSP is doomed to failure, it's just drama that makes the story worth following. The FSP is like a soap opera for some of us not involved.
On another note, it looks like John Lynch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lynch) will have no problem winning his third term as NH Gov. He won his second term by a ridiculous amount.
A businessman and Democratic Party politician, Lynch was elected on November 2, 2004, defeating Republican incumbent Craig Benson by a narrow margin. Lynch was the first challenger to defeat a one-term incumbent in New Hampshire in 78 years.
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Lynch was elected to a second two year term in a 74-26 landslide over Republican Jim Coburn. Lynch's coattails helped Democrats take over both houses of the State Legislature, and upset incumbent Congressmen Charlie Bass and Jeb Bradley. Lynch's 74 percent of the vote was the largest margin of victory ever in a New Hampshire gubernatorial race. [1] Lynch's poll numbers also improved following his successful reelection. His approval rating rose to 79% in November and his disapproval rating dropped to 17%.
(http://veganhomeschool.com/images/FAP.jpg)
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Yeah and to give another side to this, comments from William in response to Zaphar's-
Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known.
Emotional gibberish.
Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles
Fact
but it has come to my attention that this is not the case.
Nothing in the rest of your statement is conclusive on this point.
He stayed on my couch for two months,
Paid? Not paid? What was agreed upon?
feeding me lies
Specifically?
and stealing my food
Did you offer it or make it available? Was it really 'stealing'?
and who knows what else.
That seems baseless.
Josh too has become the most recent victim of this
Meaningless. Unless it comes from Josh, it's just hearsay.
and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP), is not who he claims to be.
Entirely irrelevant. Many people don't use their real name especially online and that persona can carry over to everyday life. There are several Freestaters I can think of off the top of my head who are known only by nicknames or not their given name at any rate.
At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth.
Gross generalization. I doubt that everything he says is a lie and who a person really is has nothing to do with their name.
I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up.
What needs to add up?
He is a master of manipulation,
Ooo, master no less. Not apprentice of manipulation?
taking advantage of the compassion which he receives.
Sounds like you 'gave' something but didn't freely give it and now you think someone owes you something.
For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick,
The work with Jack may have fallen through or might still happen.
while in actually, he has been womanizing,
Who cares?
stealing,
Prove it.
and promoting violence.
A specious claim.
I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen.
What would be the point of that? Are you pissed about the flag getting burned and taking it out in other areas?
I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual,
You'll need to provide a lot more (I should say some) actual evidence and without the emotional baggage if you expect me to ostracize someone.
if you don't, you may be his next victim.
Jesse isn't capable of victimizing me. In fact most so called "victims" are simply suffering the consequences of their poor choices and refusing to accept responsibility for them. The claim of victimhood allows them to avoid ever doing so.
I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news
Please do get some rest and then, if you feel that Jesse has acted in a manner that would qualify for ostracism, try to present the case in a reasoned and factual manner.
How is this 'another side of the argument'? It just sounds like a bunch of antagonism to me.
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Its another side to the statement made by Zaphar. Some of it was antagonistic I agree.
Here is something else I'm betting Blackie isn't interested in posting in this thread -
I'd just like to say a lot of (or all of, I'm pretty sure of) has been resolved. Some miscommunications and misunderstandings that we talked through and straightened out. I have been a bit of a flake lately, but I haven't done much of anything wrong. Josh had some money that went missing, and naturally, being the guy that lives on his floor, he thought I had something to do with it. Thing is, as soon as he told me, I offered to help him out. I've also been paying Josh 5 bucks a day to sleep on his floor, and even offered to cover his first month and a deposit on an apartment we're trying to pick up to try and get him incentive to leave the shitty apartment he has now.
Thing is, we were all drunk, high, and we all have a bit of tension in our lives, and a single conversation blew it way out and up. We've all cleared it up, and reconciled whatever differences there have been.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15904.msg267741;boardseen#new
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Its another side to the statement made by Zaphar. Some of it was antagonistic I agree.
Here is something else I'm betting Blackie isn't interested in posting in this thread -
I'd just like to say a lot of (or all of, I'm pretty sure of) has been resolved. Some miscommunications and misunderstandings that we talked through and straightened out. I have been a bit of a flake lately, but I haven't done much of anything wrong. Josh had some money that went missing, and naturally, being the guy that lives on his floor, he thought I had something to do with it. Thing is, as soon as he told me, I offered to help him out. I've also been paying Josh 5 bucks a day to sleep on his floor, and even offered to cover his first month and a deposit on an apartment we're trying to pick up to try and get him incentive to leave the shitty apartment he has now.
Thing is, we were all drunk, high, and we all have a bit of tension in our lives, and a single conversation blew it way out and up. We've all cleared it up, and reconciled whatever differences there have been.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15904.msg267741;boardseen#new
Fuck you. I was just about to post it and had it in my clipboard.
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Sure you did nigger.
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He's AnarchoMartyr over there douche.
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He's AnarchoMartyr over there douche.
What are you doing posting on here and not out working on the crops, boy?
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yo mamma
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Thing is, we were all drunk, high, and we all have a bit of tension in our lives, and a single conversation blew it way out and up. We've all cleared it up, and reconciled whatever differences there have been.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15904.msg267741;boardseen#new
A lot of the tension comes from being drunk, high, with no further plans other than being drunk and high again tomorrow. This is classic commune-style agenda-based living. The names and location and agenda are the only thing that changes.
So.....leech off others in order to stay drunk and high. Sell worthless currency that hopefully won't be redeemed. Shout the correct slogans and protest a lot in order to get others to believe you part of the "liberty movement."
Where do I sign up for that life-changing event?
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A lot of the tension comes from being drunk, high, with no further plans other than being drunk and high again tomorrow. This is classic commune-style agenda-based living. The names and location and agenda are the only thing that changes.
The original post didn't say what was stolen, so it made me think it was drugs, not money. If it was money, why not just say so.
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Back to tipping...
Tipping a percentage of the bill is bullshit. Why should the waitress make more because I order an expensive meal?
The tip should be based on the amount of work she does, and the quality of the service, not the price of the meal.
Seems like tipping is about making the waitstaff try to up-sell. They work on a commission basis.
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You should start another thread just about the tipping controversy.
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Back to tipping...
Tipping a percentage of the bill is bullshit. Why should the waitress make more because I order an expensive meal?
The tip should be based on the amount of work she does, and the quality of the service, not the price of the meal.
Seems like tipping is about making the waitstaff try to up-sell. They work on a commission basis.
This I agree with. Tipping should always be based on the quality of service and amount of work required, not a % of the bill.
Of course this could open the discussion of higher wages for servers rather than a wage based on tips. I'm not sure which would be preferable to waitstaff.
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You know where to sign up.
Already did but have since rescinded my sign up.
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If you don't tip, you won't get a lap dance.
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I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...
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I knew Jessie was a flake when I tried to purchase some of his labor notes. If he never replies to mails asking for such, how much luck do you think someone will be when they are just circulating, not buying them from the source?
That, plus him being so abrasive that the other free-staters notice. That's quite a feat.
Oh, and I generally tip 20+% for decent service. For below-average service I tip 10-15%. But if the service is really lousy, I will tip $0.25 exctly, just to make it clear I didn't siomply forget -- it's an intentional disrespect, given in reciprocity.
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I knew Jessie was a flake when I tried to purchase some of his labor notes. If he never replies to mails asking for such, how much luck do you think someone will be when they are just circulating, not buying them from the source?
I asked him about doing some work in Grafton, and he responded on the forum, but not email. He's not looking for work.
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I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...
what if they ask you if the report what they have to? All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less.... Do you tip them even less?
Just curious.
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I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...
what if they ask you if the report what they have to? All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less.... Do you tip them even less?
Just curious.
It's no customer's responsibility to keep track of every stupid fucking policy an employer has.
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Back to tipping...
Tipping a percentage of the bill is bullshit. Why should the waitress make more because I order an expensive meal?
The tip should be based on the amount of work she does, and the quality of the service, not the price of the meal.
Seems like tipping is about making the waitstaff try to up-sell. They work on a commission basis.
Five for myself, ten if I'm footing the bill for me and my kids plus another adult. If I'm going upscale I go with 20% because those people get taxed on some kind of average take, and I know that going in. I could choose not to enter. If they suck, I cut back.
If service was bundled in the price of a meal, then you would pay more for dine-in than take-out, but you don't. When you pick up food at say, Applebees, you pay the menu price and no one expects a tip, because no one is waiting on you. Libertarians should love the institution of tipping, because it is a free-for-service situation where cash is paid without any records kept for taxation. Tips are supposed to be reported, but never are (except the credit card kind, but even then, it's easy to get around). It is an almost 100% cash business, where the server operates a lot like a contractor, a middleman facilitating the transaction between restaurant and eater, providing added value in the process. For that, 15-20% of the total is all that's expected. Seems like a great deal to me. Better than getting up to get my own meal, pour my own drinks, and buss my own table. Plus, I can't exactly flirt with myself, now can I?
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For below-average service I tip 10-15%. But if the service is really lousy, I will tip $0.25 exctly, just to make it clear I didn't siomply forget -- it's an intentional disrespect, given in reciprocity.
I used to do this, but have since taken a different approach. If you get the manager and complain calmly and in specific detail, you will almost always have some or all of your bill taken care of, the manager or another server will complete the service of your meal with special attention paid to your every request, and the sub-par server will definitely learn a lesson that night. Stiffing the waiter or waitress is a sort of oblique passive aggressive gesture that rarely has the effect you think it does. Often, the server will just think you are cheap and/or a dick. I have worked in that business in almost every capacity, from banquet service to buss boy to barback to bar tender to delivery driver to host to server to prep cook to short order to cashier to kitchen manager, and unless you get very specific and express your concern to their bosses, as far as the server is concerned, your 25¢ tip is just evidence that you're a lousy prick, period. They will never consider that they may have done something wrong or failed to earn your money unless you make it very clear why and how they fell short. Even then, they probably have some excuse. Trust me, if you get bad service, get the manager and calmly explain why you are dissatisfied, he'll be grateful, you'll get your bill reduced or paid in full, the server will be be reprimanded, and the service at the restaurant will improve. It is the best thing for everyone.
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He's AnarchoMartyr over there douche.
What are you doing posting on here and not out working on the crops, boy?
Why argue with this cockmonger? :D
(The same reason I like playing with Luke over on the NHLA forum, I take it?)
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Why argue with this cockmonger? :D
(The same reason I like playing with Luke over on the NHLA forum, I take it?)
There wasn't any arguing. :lol:
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I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...
what if they ask you if the report what they have to? All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less.... Do you tip them even less?
Just curious.
you'll note that I stated "my" gifts...
I'm not a party to any of their other contracts with other individuals...
but I DO want to know if those I choose to contract with...are...in any way/shape/form...funding the perpetual perpetration of aggression/force/fraud upon peaceful people...
and I make every attempt to deny the mobocracy ANY fruits...even indirect fruits...if at all possible...
(realizing, of course, that the farmer that supplied the fresh foods to the local vendors might very well be receiving some sort of subsidy...and just not disclosing that)
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I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...
what if they ask you if the report what they have to? All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less.... Do you tip them even less?
Just curious.
you'll note that I stated "my" gifts...
I'm not a party to any of their other contracts with other individuals...
but I DO want to know if those I choose to contract with...are...in any way/shape/form...funding the perpetual perpetration of aggression/force/fraud upon peaceful people...
and I make every attempt to deny the mobocracy ANY fruits...even indirect fruits...if at all possible...
(realizing, of course, that the farmer that supplied the fresh foods to the local vendors might very well be receiving some sort of subsidy...and just not disclosing that)
Wow, I wouldn't want to be your server. You're too complicated. 8)
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He's AnarchoMartyr over there douche.
What are you doing posting on here and not out working on the crops, boy?
Why argue with this cockmonger? :D
Do you have your period, or are you always a bitch?
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I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...
what if they ask you if the report what they have to? All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less.... Do you tip them even less?
Just curious.
you'll note that I stated "my" gifts...
I'm not a party to any of their other contracts with other individuals...
but I DO want to know if those I choose to contract with...are...in any way/shape/form...funding the perpetual perpetration of aggression/force/fraud upon peaceful people...
and I make every attempt to deny the mobocracy ANY fruits...even indirect fruits...if at all possible...
(realizing, of course, that the farmer that supplied the fresh foods to the local vendors might very well be receiving some sort of subsidy...and just not disclosing that)
Wow, I wouldn't want to be your server. You're too complicated. 8)
while that's your choice...I've been known to "gift" by up to six hundred percent...
still "too" "complicated"...
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I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...
what if they ask you if the report what they have to? All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less.... Do you tip them even less?
Just curious.
you'll note that I stated "my" gifts...
I'm not a party to any of their other contracts with other individuals...
but I DO want to know if those I choose to contract with...are...in any way/shape/form...funding the perpetual perpetration of aggression/force/fraud upon peaceful people...
and I make every attempt to deny the mobocracy ANY fruits...even indirect fruits...if at all possible...
(realizing, of course, that the farmer that supplied the fresh foods to the local vendors might very well be receiving some sort of subsidy...and just not disclosing that)
Wow, I wouldn't want to be your server. You're too complicated. 8)
while that's your choice...I've been known to "gift" by up to six hundred percent...
still "too" "complicated"...
That's fine if you tip that much, but if you start the rant, you'll probably scare the server away. 8)
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I'm glad I hardly ever eat out. Fuck people who think they deserve a tip. I'm not appreciative of their service. It's their fucking job. They should be appreciative of my tip.
Hearing what people who work in that industry think about tipping and people who don't tip has made me lose respect for them. They have a entitlement mentality. And I tip well. I would have no problem not tipping for bad service. I also wouldn't return to an establishment where I got bad service, but I wouldn't rat them out to the manager.
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I never saw that dude before. Great stuff. He even talks about me. Fucking dead-on accurate, too.
[youtube=425,350]K3MapbYJ7pw[/youtube]
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Fucking furries.
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WTF?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15863.msg268202#msg268202
I find it interesting that the owner has denied the ban, he states that he told Mike to not eat at his restaurant if he doesn't intend on tipping, but that he didn't ban him. I also find it interesting that at the 2 FSP owned restaurants in NH, they both give discounts to the police and fire departments, but no discounts to the FSP members who have without a doubt contributed heavily to the success of the establishments.
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that is a big WTF!
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at the 2 FSP owned restaurants in NH, they both give discounts to the police and fire departments
:shock:
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at the 2 FSP owned restaurants in NH, they both give discounts to the police and fire departments
:shock:
You know, for the children.
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that's some fuckin' bullshit.
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that's some fuckin' bullshit.
So are you going to boycott Murphy's in protest?
Will any Free Stater do this I wonder?
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I've said on the NH Free Forum that I would not go to Murphy's again, I said this a few days ago at the beginning of the whole tipping episode.
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I would have never gone anyways. Keith Murphy has always had this snobbish playboy attitude that puts me off. Fuck that shit.
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I haven't met him, nothing against him I just disagree with the way he runs his business if what has been said is true. If police and firemen get discounts I really have a problem with that and I will vote with my dollar and eat at Wendy's.
I would like confirmation that this is true, but I somehow believe it.
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What I don't get is how they can have the Sunday Socials or whatever the fuck they're called at Murphy's, when he obviously believes in an anti-freedom agenda. Why don't they pick Wendy's or Pizza Hut, the real anarchist establishments?
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What I don't get is how they can have the Sunday Socials or whatever the fuck they're called at Murphy's, when he obviously believes in an anti-freedom agenda. Why don't they pick Wendy's or Pizza Hut, the real anarchist establishments?
one word...
liquor...
(you know...that stuph tightly controlled by the goons with guns)
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Reminds me of an incident when I lived in Mississippi in a white redneck bar when a whole bunch of black deputies came in to the bar and proceeded to make it a point to stare down every patron in there, including me. As if to say "yeah, see I'm a cop and I'm black and have a gun and could arrest you in two seconds, honky". It came down to the same attitude I've run across in most cops "I can do what I want and make sure everyone knows it.".
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Reminds me of an incident when I lived in Mississippi in a white redneck bar when a whole bunch of black deputies came in to the bar and proceeded to make it a point to stare down every patron in there, including me. As if to say "yeah, see I'm a cop and I'm black and have a gun and could arrest you in two seconds, honky". It came down to the same attitude I've run across in most cops "I can do what I want and make sure everyone knows it.".
Expect more of this with the election of Sharack Narak.
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Reminds me of an incident when I lived in Mississippi in a white redneck bar when a whole bunch of black deputies came in to the bar and proceeded to make it a point to stare down every patron in there, including me. As if to say "yeah, see I'm a cop and I'm black and have a gun and could arrest you in two seconds, honky". It came down to the same attitude I've run across in most cops "I can do what I want and make sure everyone knows it.".
that's when you start serving them shit food. Sure, they will tell 9 or so people that it was a bad experience, but I'd still rather lose that business than allow their bullshit in my establishment. There's no need to give them an order to leave, give them a reason. You want a club sandwich, toss some shit thrown together in front of them and fill their drinks halfway.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16299.0
I just wanted everyone to know what happened to me at Murphy's tonight. I do not want to start another controversy about tipping all over again, just about the practice that happened to me. I had a tab of $4 something for 2 beers. I gave the waitress a $20, and she gave me back $14 change and walked away. Then she comes back and asks me if she did something wrong because I didn't tip her, and about how she only makes $3.65 a hour. I said excuse me but you gave me $14 change, which means you got your tip in the payment. Now I do not have a problem tipping, however when you didn't give all my change back, so I considered that your tip.
What do you guys think? I think that is kind of a questionable practice to not give back all of ones change, without the customer acknowledging keep the change. What really irks me is that this practice seems to vary amongst all the wait staff there. Some will give me back all of my change, while others will not.
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It's so fucking stupid. . . . at Wendy's as Taors suggested they probably wouldn't give you as much shit as you think for bringing in your own drinks. Hell, if you wanted to be semi-covert about it, sneak in a 750 of rum, everyone order a coke, and mix.
(it's what the people BEHIND the counter do)
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reminds me of something I heard on the radio:
Caller goes to an old soda shop/magazine rack , total comes to $4. The employee pushes 'tender' before putting in the price, thus receiving nothing telling him how much to give back. Caller gave a $20. After a minute or two of completely frustrated looks by the clerk, he says
Caller: "hey listen just give me $16 and we'll call it even"
Clerk: "oooh no you can't fool me I'll wait for the manager to void this so I can re-ring it"
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16299.0
I just wanted everyone to know what happened to me at Murphy's tonight. I do not want to start another controversy about tipping all over again, just about the practice that happened to me. I had a tab of $4 something for 2 beers. I gave the waitress a $20, and she gave me back $14 change and walked away. Then she comes back and asks me if she did something wrong because I didn't tip her, and about how she only makes $3.65 a hour. I said excuse me but you gave me $14 change, which means you got your tip in the payment. Now I do not have a problem tipping, however when you didn't give all my change back, so I considered that your tip.
What do you guys think? I think that is kind of a questionable practice to not give back all of ones change, without the customer acknowledging keep the change. What really irks me is that this practice seems to vary amongst all the wait staff there. Some will give me back all of my change, while others will not.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=25848.msg483013#msg483013
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I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00
there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics
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I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00
there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics
but at least they voted for the Obamanation...
that makes it all better...
fweeeeeee...
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I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00
there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics
If that story is at all accurate, that woman wasn't even pretending that 4+14 is 20.
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it's so ridiculous it's hard to believe myself. When it comes to change and whatnot, I can see (and could if I went to a store and scoped out the 20 somethings) them waiting for a manager to give them the on screen tally of what change to give back.
I know for a fact I've had people have a very very hard time counting back to 10 or 20. . .
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Murphy's should stop hiring liberal arts majors from Keene State College.
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I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00
there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics
What you say is so true. I was playing monopoly during thanksgiving with the siblings and mom, and my brother's Fiance's Kids couldn't even count the dots on the dice without using their fingers, Let alone calculate the rents in the game... You've just gotta love the public education system...
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$4.50+$1.70
How long can you take to do this and not be considered a retard?
I gave the guy the 20c so he didn't have to think on the change.
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Grafton Country store attempted robbery
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=f4fe24f2-2427-4338-b2d1-13127236bb27
Rifleman robs NH country store
Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008
GRAFTON – A masked man armed with a long rifle last night robbed the Grafton Country Store on Route 4.
Police said the man entered the store carrying a rifle, immediately demanded money from the clerk and tried unsuccessfully to pull the cash register off the counter.
He ran out of the store empty-handed and got into a vehicle believed to be a gray Volvo that headed north on Route 4. Witnesses chased after the car but were unable to catch up to it.
The Volvo was last seen on Cross Road in Canaan. Investigators do not know if more than one person was involved in the robbery.
The robber is described as possibly being in his early 20s, about 6 feet tall, with a slim build and wearing a black sweatshirt and camouflage face mask.
Police are following up on several leads.
Anyone with information is asked to call State Police, Troop F, at 846-3333. Trooper Alex Davis is heading the investigation.
Free staters questioned :lol:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16304.0
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Grafton Country Store?
*SLAP!*
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what was he trying to steal some bait?
fresh berries?
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It was Ian. Now that he's used to life "on the inside" he'll do anything to go back.
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I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00
there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics
What you say is so true. I was playing monopoly during thanksgiving with the siblings and mom, and my brother's Fiance's Kids couldn't even count the dots on the dice without using their fingers, Let alone calculate the rents in the game... You've just gotta love the public education system...
Holy crap! Really? There isn't a six year old in my homeschooling meet-up group that can't do simple addition in their head.
It saddens me that these kids will be voting not so many years from now.
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"Murphy" could solve this by:
a. paying the wait staff a fixed wage, and advertising no tipping allowed.
b. re-educating wait staff in simple mathematics.
c. replace current inept wait staff.
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It was Ian. Now that he's used to life "on the inside" he'll do anything to go back.
:lol:
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"Murphy" could solve this by:
a. paying the wait staff a fixed wage, and advertising no tipping allowed.
b. re-educating wait staff in simple mathematics.
c. replace current inept wait staff.
I think just explaining "how it works" effectively would end all the bullshit
I never had any problems with staff, as they knew EXACTLY what was...and was not...demanded...
if and when they couldn't live up to their part of the bargain...they respectfully tendered the required written documentation...and then we "settled up"...
pretty simple actually...
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Grafton Country store attempted robbery
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=f4fe24f2-2427-4338-b2d1-13127236bb27
Rifleman robs NH country store
Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008
GRAFTON – A masked man armed with a long rifle last night robbed the Grafton Country Store on Route 4.
Police said the man entered the store carrying a rifle, immediately demanded money from the clerk and tried unsuccessfully to pull the cash register off the counter.
He ran out of the store empty-handed and got into a vehicle believed to be a gray Volvo that headed north on Route 4. Witnesses chased after the car but were unable to catch up to it.
The Volvo was last seen on Cross Road in Canaan. Investigators do not know if more than one person was involved in the robbery.
The robber is described as possibly being in his early 20s, about 6 feet tall, with a slim build and wearing a black sweatshirt and camouflage face mask.
Police are following up on several leads.
Anyone with information is asked to call State Police, Troop F, at 846-3333. Trooper Alex Davis is heading the investigation.
Free staters questioned :lol:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16304.0
guy was probably from out of state...
if he was a local he would know that many people in NH(especially that area) carry sidearms both open and concealed...
if I was there...after he'd been refused, repelled, and destroyed...I'd put a claim on his body, his immediate possessions, his rifle, and his car...
I'm thinking either his kinfolk would buy the body back...or it might be good food for the critters of the forest...
possessions, rifle, and car could be sold to recoup my time and effort expended "correcting his worldview"...
go figure
rad
enjoy!
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if he was a local he would know that many people in NH(especially that area) carry sidearms both open and concealed...
The only people I have seen open carry in that area are cops. That goes for all of NH. I think I saw maybe two people open carrying in NH during the 8 years I lived there, not including me and hunters. It's not common.
Also, if he went up Cross Rd. he probably knew the area. And I think it must have been Cross Rd. in Orange, as I pretty sure Cross Rd. in Canaan is a dead end road.
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Posted by Russell
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16689.0
You can get in on the formation of this wonderful grassroots political organization .... The FSP .... The Free State Party.
We need to formulate our Party platform and start running candidates in elections on extremist freedom issues. We are looking for a few good men who are willing to push that big red Rothbardian button.
For those that just can't stomach the politics ... then they can fight them through the NH Underground or go agorist by living in the Shire.
NH Underground - Civil Disobedience, hiding refugees, poking the government
Shire residency - Agorist lifestyle, funny costumes
Free State Party - Radical Politics
proposed party platform planks:
NH secession in 2009
NH secession in 2010
UN Free Zone
glass hovels for government bureaucrats
holding politicians feet to the fire (porcupine brand optional)
Party Headquarters located in beautiful Grafton, NH ... the center of the political revolution.
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We were talking about this at the NHLA Board meeting last night. We agreed it would be a good thing for them to actually go through with this. A group being really extreme and no prayer of winning any elections makes a less extreme group appear more mainstream.
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We were talking about this at the NHLA Board meeting last night. We agreed it would be a good thing for them to actually go through with this. A group being really principled and no prayer of winning any elections makes a less principled group appear more mainstream.
fixed.
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We were talking about this at the NHLA Board meeting last night. We agreed it would be a good thing for them to actually go through with this. A group being really principled and no prayer of winning any elections makes a less principled group appear more mainstream.
fixed.
Assuming your correction is accurate, so was the intial post.
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I thought that mother fucker hated politics?
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We were talking about this at the NHLA Board meeting last night. We agreed it would be a good thing for them to actually go through with this. A group being really principled and no prayer of winning any elections makes a less principled group appear more mainstream.
fixed.
Assuming your correction is accurate, so was the intial post.
radical would work too. None of them are scary words to me.
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Mike Barskey arrested 02-01-09
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16982.0
He's got 6 charges against him - speeding, open container, gun with no concealed carry license, not showing up for court ( can't remember the other two I guess ). 3 were like tickets, 3 were criminal charges.
(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1978/21/33/624641163/n624641163_2031711_1778.jpg)
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Mike Barskey arrested 02-01-09
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16982.0
He's got 6 charges against him - speeding, open container, gun with no concealed carry license, not showing up for court ( can't remember the other two I guess ). 3 were like tickets, 3 were criminal charges.
That'll stick it to the man and take down the state!
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I think one of the other charges had to do with the car not being registered
AnarchoJesse and Charlie got arrested too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obcI9rSjOs8
[youtube=425,350] obcI9rSjOs8[/youtube]
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I thought that mother fucker hated politics?
He did. He started talking about this idea called the Free State Party as a joke.
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"It's got a grenade on it."
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Pay the fine with Anarcho-Jesse notes!
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6 charges were quite a stretch. Frankly I couldn't care less about any of the charges:
Gun = OK
Passenger having a beer = OK
even if Mike was having a beer = OK
No registration in NH (CA) = OK
Not showing up for court = OK
Speeding = ha OK
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17471.0
AnarchoJesse said:
Well, I'd sure like to know, because it seems that I'm back in it. It has come to my attention that people have been saying things about me --hurtful things-- to other people, and hasn't seen fit enough to bring it up with me, personally. I'll be the first to admit I fucked up when I got here, and that I took advantage of a few people out of my stupidity. I will roundly and deeply list what I consider my character flaws:
-- I mooched off of Dale, Eric, Tim, and Nick for my first few months here. I did the same to Josh. However, I've been told (because I'm aware of my failings as an individual and had asked) that I was square with them. I had been under the impression that any debts I had owed were paid in full, and that we were square. If I've been wrong, I invite you to get in touch with me and let me know how much I owe. I've been on my own two feet for a while (sort of, which I will explain), and have the ability to take care of myself.
-- I was robbed on an enormous scale (relative to my savings, that is), and I have been in situations where I need to call the person who took my money and beg for it. Money I earned, money I planned on living off of. Someone has seen fit to declare this "asking for money from Daddy when the cash runs out"; while this is accurate, it's out of context. The money is mine, and I have to jump through hoops to get it.
-- I admittedly have a bad temper. Whoever has been speaking about me has seen fit to declare that I am "violently" so, but this is horseshit. I've only once been anything even remotely close to physical when I pulled a knife after my best friend challenged me to a fist fight in my own home. When I rage, I yell. When I yell, I've got my only way to vent. Healthy? No, probably not, but I'm far from violent, and to characterize me as such is a gross injustice.
-- I can exaggerate sometimes. Nothing ridiculous or bad, but I can sometimes say things that aren't quite the 100% truth. Not lies, but embellishments because I get carried away with my emotions.
Needless to say, I am not the best, most perfect, greatest man or libertarian alive-- but then, who is? Who ever has seen fit to talk to other members of the FSP and Shaunna without approaching me first, please bring your issues to me. I'm just trying my hardest to get by, and do what I can. I have something good, and you're sabotaging that, which I won't stand for.
Until I receive an answer though, I'm going to try my best to avoid most FSP types barring my roommates. I don't know who is saying these things, but I'm sure as hell not comfortable being around them when they have the penchant for talking behind backs.
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LOL GANDHI
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LOL GANDHI is bullshit.
fixed
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Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.
"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.
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Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.
"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.
wat
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Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.
"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.
wat
Brokor's a huge douchebag.
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Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.
"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.
wat
Brokor's a huge douchebag.
He's mad cuz he doesnt belong.
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If you're gonna be an anarchist, you must conform to the accepted counterculture behaviors.
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If you're gonna be an anarchist, you must conform to the accepted counterculture behaviors.
Only if you wish to have those types of people as your friend. None of my close friends are really anarchists, or even political at all.
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If you're gonna be an anarchist, you must conform to the accepted counterculture behaviors.
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Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.
"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.
Jesse won. He beat the judge and the court system.
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Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.
"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.
Jesse won. He beat the judge and the court system.
By won, do you mean he was convicted of disorderly conduct?
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090226/NEWS01/302269848
Two Keene men arrested after failing to remove their hats at the court on Feb. 2 were convicted on misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges.
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LOLOLOLOLOL
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THERE IS NO SPOON
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He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing. Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor.
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He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing. Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor.
I'll wear a mask and hold a sign.
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He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing.
this
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they said I was disorderly, and told me it was on my record. I thought it was the Jackson 5 playing.
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newspaper article=any publicity is good publicity...
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Lol I just saw this thread bumped. Is this the thread that talks about all the dramatic things that happen between us here?
Damn you should have been behind the scenes of Free Minds TV a few years back.
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Lol I just saw this thread bumped. Is this the thread that talks about all the dramatic things that happen between us here?
Damn you should have been behind the scenes of Free Minds TV a few years back.
Ok, Immagonnaask: what happened behind the scenes?
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If you're gonna be an anarchist, you must conform to the accepted counterculture behaviors.
Exactly.
I'm not defending Brokor, because Brokor doesn't need defendin'.
But I think he's more anarchist than most of the anarchists here. I won't even pretend to assign a category to him. If I had to create a word for it, I'd call it free-nationalist. Or maybe micronational-globalist. I think he'd like to see the global situation fracture into micro-nations, and join one.
And I think in his micro-nation, people would show some respect for where they choose to be.
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He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing. Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor.
He went to jail for his morals. Later, he went back to the same courtroom and showed the NH Constitution and said he was going to wear a hat. The same judge backed down and Jesse won.
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Shhhh...
I see dead people.
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just get done with the killing for today?
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He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing. Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor.
He went to jail for his morals. Later, he went back to the same courtroom and showed the NH Constitution and said he was going to wear a hat. The same judge backed down and Jesse won.
What happend to his morals during the trial? I see he wore a suit and no hat.
(http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=NS&Date=20090226&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=302269848&Ref=H2&MaxW=580&title=1)
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http://jewhampshire.com/
It's a Joey Dauben site. He hasn't been around here lately.
Last time was when he annonced the would run the Barry Cooper for Texas Attorney General (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=26897.msg507047#msg507047) campaign
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He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing. Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor.
He went to jail for his morals. Later, he went back to the same courtroom and showed the NH Constitution and said he was going to wear a hat. The same judge backed down and Jesse won.
What happend to his morals during the trial? I see he wore a suit and no hat.
(http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=NS&Date=20090226&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=302269848&Ref=H2&MaxW=580&title=1)
He is frustrated in the pic. Proof? Right here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=7xzhVIwIqSMC&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=hand+holding+wrist+behind+back+body+language&source=bl&ots=BTQLpLNZHK&sig=sI8h6tFFR_RKhHhI0A9B82zgTnw&hl=en&ei=CQvNSdHDJ4-7twe-uZzyCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result (http://books.google.com/books?id=7xzhVIwIqSMC&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=hand+holding+wrist+behind+back+body+language&source=bl&ots=BTQLpLNZHK&sig=sI8h6tFFR_RKhHhI0A9B82zgTnw&hl=en&ei=CQvNSdHDJ4-7twe-uZzyCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result)
You can bet that if someone is gripping her wrist behind her back rather than just her hand she's holding back frustration.
Etc. its a way of self control, the further up the wrist the more frustrated.
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http://jewhampshire.com/
It's a Joey Dauben site. He hasn't been around here lately.
Last time was when he annonced the would run the Barry Cooper for Texas Attorney General (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=26897.msg507047#msg507047) campaign
I like Joey. He'll make a nice puddle someday.
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Awesome. lol.
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Lol I just saw this thread bumped. Is this the thread that talks about all the dramatic things that happen between us here?
Damn you should have been behind the scenes of Free Minds TV a few years back.
Ok, Immagonnaask: what happened behind the scenes?
Co-host leaving with 2 days warning.
Director called out for taking government payments
Several days where the show was within minutes of not being ready to go live on time, and nobody taking the blame or the leadership to fix it the next time.
Not so exciting stuff in writing.
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Feel free to post to this thread anytime dramedy happens in the Free State. I can't keep up with all of it.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17608.0
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17608.0
five minutes you'll never get back
mostly bullshit cause she's already all over the interwebs and wayback machine...
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LOL Sandy. Always a fuckin' cunt.
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He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing. Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor.
He went to jail for his morals. Later, he went back to the same courtroom and showed the NH Constitution and said he was going to wear a hat. The same judge backed down and Jesse won.
Wow. He wore a hat. This is a victory for the follicularly challenged around the globe.
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LOL Sandy. Always a fuckin' cunt.
not everyone feels that way
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LOL Sandy. Always a fuckin' cunt.
not everyone feels that way
Then they haven't had the "fun" I've had with the bitch.
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I want to know the back story... what Sandy is really mad about.
If you don't tell me, I'm gunna make something up.
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I want to know the back story... what Sandy is really mad about.
If you don't tell me, I'm gunna make something up.
well...you know Dave lost his job over his associations and activism
Sandy knows that and may very well be feeling uneasy about her future prospects for income...
regardless of her perceived flaws I count her as a friend and fellow activist in the Freedom and Liberty Movement
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well...you know Dave lost his job over his associations and activism
No, I didn't know. That's fucked up, but not surprising.
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A Candia, NH woman has turned herself in to police after several animal cruelty charges were filed against her.
http://www.wmur.com/video/19023226/index.html
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Here is the ridley report sandy is upset about.
[youtube=425,350]tJMrZnxvX9o[/youtube]
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Not really drama, but NH related.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jdbXCdnv8cjU86l0m-JWatEhziWAD97F6UIO0
Demand for work causes gridlock at NH job fair
MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Three generations of job seekers — more than 10,000 — descended on a job fair at a New Hampshire college gymnasium Thursday, jamming traffic for miles and forcing organizers to cut off admission to the event after just two hours.
Officials shut down shuttle bus service from a nearby mall to the overwhelmed Southern New Hampshire University campus by noon, several hours before the heavily publicized event was to end.
Job applicants ranging from college students to unemployed executives in their 60s waited in seemingly endless lines for buses to the event, then to speak with recruiters, then for buses back to their cars. Police Lt. Maureen Tessier gave an unofficial crowd estimate of more than 10,000, and many hundreds more were turned away.
"People are very serious about employment and not just running around grabbing goodies for the sake of filling up goodie bags," said Don Legere, who was looking to hire people for his financial services firm Modern Woodmen of America.
He was seeing about 25 people an hour, looking to hire two to four people immediately and another six to eight by the end of the year.
"I've seen a lot of good, quality people," he said.
Maureen Maslanka, 52, of Nashua, was laid off in September from an electronics job. She said she left the event, her first job fair, "a little optimistic."
"I spoke with the people that I've been sending resumes over and over and over to," she said. "So I got to give it to them by hand."
Chris Duchaine, 32, of Johnson, Vt., got shut out because of the gridlock.
Duchaine and a friend drove to Manchester after dropping off resumes at a job fair in Massachusetts Thursday morning, but he got there after the shuttle buses stopped running. Duchaine joked that he met people in line in Massachusetts who already had been to the Manchester event.
He was philosophical, even though he struck out in Manchester.
"The effort you put in is what you get out," Duchaine said, mentioning that a friend who hunted hard just landed a job paying 25 percent more than one he lost.
Sponsors WMUR-TV, the state and the college said more than 150 employers looking to fill 1,500 full- and part-time jobs took part, including Burger King, the U.S. Secret Service and defense contractor BAE Systems.
General Manager Jeff Bartlett said the turnout was far more than anyone expected.
"I think the bottom line to all of us, despite all the traffic problems, is that hundreds and maybe over a thousand people will get a job out of this job fair and that's a pretty good day if you can put that many people back to work," Bartlett said.
New Hampshire's unemployment was 5.3 percent in February, the most recent month available. That translated to 39,290 people seeking jobs.
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wonder how many of those people have skills and talents but choose not to jump through the many hoops of opening their own business.
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Its a good day to be a boss then I guess. You can have a lot of choice as to who to hire and you dont have to be stuck with incompetent workers.
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lets hope more people take the plunge and start their own businesses without feeling the need to license themselves to sell their trade or goods.
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http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=28731.msg534407
Calls are coming in over Porc411.
Sam Dodson, (SamIAm) was arrested at Keene district Court for recording without bureaucrat permission. He was then dragged off and beaten by court officers. Several callers report Sam screaming while being taken to a back room.
He continued to scream, once caller commented and mentioned Sam "being beaten back there" and not letting people watch.
The activists were them told to leave and many refused. Backup was called leading to what was described by one caller as "The entire Keene PD here". Reports indicate that the entire group was detained (legally). Several arrestest occured, including several activists physically being hauled out of hte place. it is confirmed that there WAS a reporter for the Keene Sentinel there, but not detained. One caller reports that Sam is being taken to the hospital.
Of those arrested for SURE are Sam, David Krouse and Tim Danforth but several others were as well.
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Yeah but post the update.
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I will when I understand what went on.
in other news, I was watching the recent Ridley reports, and noticed one was sponsored by "Grafton Welcome Wagon"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LylmJVXu5yU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AVnwBODuWY
[youtube=425,350] 9AVnwBODuWY[/youtube]
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1:15 wtf? Are they carrying that guy facedown by his arms and legs?
2:17 was he referring to concentration camps? Good point.
3:~ guy with basketball = big part of these protests
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Are they carrying that guy facedown by his arms and legs?
Yes. It's the only way they know how to react to people saying "No, I will not move. I will not follow your orders."
was he referring to concentration camps? Good point.
Yes, he was. I, however, think many MANY people turn their brains off when they hear things like that. It's not the first time I've heard that guy in Keene videos and I personally think he'd be more effective of he toned it down just... a... tad...
That said... I'm not there, and I doubt I'd be as calm as I liked when my friends were getting carried off.
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http://keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/13/news/local/free/doc49e38ebe6667c861873640.txt
Several people arrested in incident at Keene District Court today
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Updated April 13, 3:15 p.m.
By Sentinel Staff
Published: Monday, April 13, 2009
Several people were arrested and others were issued summonses in the Keene District Court lobby today after allegedly refusing to leave the room.
Ian “Freeman” Bernard of the Free State Project said 15 to 20 activists had flocked to the court to hear the arraignment of Dave Ridley. Ridley was arrested in March and charged with disorderly conduct, accused of refusing to turn off a video camera he’d brought to the arraignment of a marijuana activist.
Ridley was arrested and charged before making it into the courtroom.
From the accounts of people affiliated with the Free State movement, history repeated itself Tuesday when Keene resident Samuel Dodson was accused of running his video camera while in the district court lobby.
After his arrest, Dodson —under the eyes of police — appeared to be lying on the floor behind a conference room door. A sound like someone yelling came from behind the door, which prompted the activists at the scene to question what was happening and to criticize the police.
Keene police Sgt. Eliezer Rivera told people not affiliated with the case to leave the room and said those who refused to do so would receive summonses. Many did so, but within minutes, police began either issuing summonses or handcuffing those who remained.
For the full story, see Tuesday’s Sentinel.
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Back to the AnarchoJesse getting arrested topic:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]
My observations:
-Jesse has little to no gardening knowlege.
-Jesse avoided eye contact with the cop.
-There is a guy selling hot dogs in Keene? Nice!
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He should have started a container garden.
I noticed he had a rifle with him when he first got there. Does he always carry that around?
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Dunno. If he expected to get arrested then he should have left it home.
If he truly expected to get away with it I would have expected him to plan a little as to where the rows would be, like make them parallel with the fence. Perhaps layout where seeds would go. To me it looked like a man digging a trench. Also, he dug the holes like 2 inches deep yet had big bags of fertilizer; wtf did he plan on doing with the bags. He didnt even bring gloves. I would have brought extra tools for other people to get involved too! [youtube=425,350]HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]
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What was that guy in the truck yelling at the end?
Was Jesse planting under a tree that would have shaded his garden?
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that guy was talking about how he's really upset that his penis is very very small.
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-Jesse has little to no gardening knowlege. |
-anarchir has no spell-check. So what?
-Jesse avoided eye contact with the cop. |
-People like me who look at a computer screen up to 20 hours a day have very tired eyes. Exhausting them further by looking at a pig's mug would be ridiculous.
-There is a guy selling hot dogs in Keene? Nice! |
-Street food is nice but hot dogs suck - I wish it was easier to buy healthier snacks.
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-anarchir has no spell-check. So what?
-People like me who look at a computer screen up to 20 hours a day have very tired eyes. Exhausting them further by looking at a pig's mug would be ridiculous.
-Street food is nice but hot dogs suck - I wish it was easier to buy healthier snacks.
touché
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-Street food is nice but hot dogs suck - I wish it was easier to buy healthier snacks.
That sounds like a personal problem.
How fucking hard is it to buy healthier snacks?
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celery
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If anyone sees a stall selling carrot sticks and green tea, let me know.
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If anyone sees a stall selling carrot sticks and green tea, let me know.
I assume you know how to carry a bag at your side. Plan ahead like every other human.
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Peeled carrot sticks without refrigeration all day - yuck.
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Peeled carrot sticks without refrigeration all day - yuck.
Why no refrigeration? Lunch boxes?
This one even has Dora:
(http://www.asia-manufacturer.com/whousepic/a40/30633/pb_mahi1225873883.jpg)
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I can't argue with that.
Now, wasn't this thread about something important? I forget...
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I can't argue with that.
Now, wasn't this thread about something important? I forget...
(http://www.avatarsplus.com/d/13594-1/1076-shrug.gif)
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Anarcho Jesse pulls gun on drunk people.
http://qik.com/video/1451881
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=793.0
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Anarcho Jesse pulls gun on drunk people.
http://qik.com/video/1451881
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=793.0
*Sigh*
I'd like to know:
1. Why the gun wasn't fucking cocked and chambered in the first place.
2. Why he felt the need to brandish.
3. Why he chose to go confront people because they called him names.
Bad gun handling all around. And then he talked about his military experience as a way of justifying that he knew how to handle his guns. Sheesh.
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Keene Community Kitchen does not want volunteers from Free Keene
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=637.msg6486#msg6486
Ian:
Whoa. Just heard Dale's Porc 411. Apparently anyone associated with this website is no longer welcome at the Keene community kitchen. Guess they have way too many volunteers if they are turning down peaceful liberty loving activists' assistance.
Does this also mean they will no longer be accepting contributions from us either?
I'm interested to hear the comments of whomever it is at the Community Kitchen that made this decision, presumably because of the publicity surrounding yesterday's events.
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Keene Community Kitchen does not want volunteers from Free Keene
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=637.msg6486#msg6486
Ian:
Whoa. Just heard Dale's Porc 411. Apparently anyone associated with this website is no longer welcome at the Keene community kitchen. Guess they have way too many volunteers if they are turning down peaceful liberty loving activists' assistance.
Does this also mean they will no longer be accepting contributions from us either?
I'm interested to hear the comments of whomever it is at the Community Kitchen that made this decision, presumably because of the publicity surrounding yesterday's events.
Ostracism backfire.
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Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.
This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.
Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!
Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.
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I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.
This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.
Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!
Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.
Funny how I didn't even know that and could tell that the dude is a gun safety menace. *Sigh*
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I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.
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I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.
RL courthouse goatse FTW.
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Danger to self and others.
Strange...
That's exactly what the NY courts called him before he hitchhiked to Keene.
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I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.
RL courthouse goatse FTW.
I should call a press conference for the FSP. And then strip naked while open carrying in front of the cameras.
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I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.
RL courthouse goatse FTW.
I should call a press conference for the FSP. And then strip naked while open carrying in front of the cameras.
No, do it for FreeKeene
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I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.
RL courthouse goatse FTW.
I should call a press conference for the FSP. And then strip naked while open carrying in front of the cameras.
No, do it for FreeKeene
The FSP needs some new publicity.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=637.msg6546#msg6546
I talked to Gail today after dinner. She said that this issue had escalated to a "national level" and that the board decided, in the best interest of the community kitchen, to not be involved with the Free Keene group. I asked if this was because of the actions of one person; she said no. She said their attorney could contact me if I wanted more information, so I left my name and number.
I talked to Yadra and he said he hadn't been filing complaints against them (the only idea I had for how this could have gone "national"). In fact, I think the Yadra's involvement in this has been exaggerated. He says he only took up about 5 minutes of Gail's time and spent the rest of the time just reviewing the form by himself.
Gail and the other board members view FreeKeene.com as a group. They don't realize that it's just a bunch of individuals checking and posting to the site. We don't pay dues; we have no board of directors or structure.
I have no idea what they're problem is with Free Keene, but it's something they've talked to an attorney about and it's something they don't want to say to us in order to defend themselves or protect someone's reputation, but I don't know what.
I told Gail that as a member of the community, I was saddened to be excluded on the basis of my affiliations. When I volunteered a few mondays ago, I followed the rules and helped out. Gail talked about how they had no interest in publicly criticizing Free Keene, but I told her that it was the community kitchen that would probably receive scrutiny for rejecting volunteers and yet requesting city funds.
It is unacceptable that there is no transparency in this decision. I think a group of Free Keene bloggers should hold a meeting with the board to discuss exactly what is going on. The Community Kitchen's decision to disallow "anyone in the Free Keene group" to volunteer only hurts the needy population it is trying to help.
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read the whole thread
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Livin' at home is such a drag, your mom threw away your best porno mag.
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Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.
This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.
Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!
Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.
Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before exercising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.
Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.
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Anarcho Jesse pulls gun on drunk people.
http://qik.com/video/1451881
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=793.0
*Sigh*
I'd like to know:
1. Why the gun wasn't fucking cocked and chambered in the first place.
2. Why he felt the need to brandish.
3. Why he chose to go confront people because they called him names.
Bad gun handling all around. And then he talked about his military experience as a way of justifying that he knew how to handle his guns. Sheesh.
points one, two, and three...I'd like to know also...
still, dude punches me in the chest...and there are three more goons on his "side"...I'm clearing leather and heating up a barrel or two...
Jesse is lucky to be alive right now(not to mention the drunk neighborhood ruffians)...
millions have military experience and are trained in the basics of killing others...hopefully only in defense of self, family, associates, and property...
I hope the cops told the drunk fuckers they were damn lucky to be alive...
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I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.
This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.
Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!
Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.
Funny how I didn't even know that and could tell that the dude is a gun safety menace. *Sigh*
the bigger question for those personally around Jesse is whether or not they have offered to help educate him?
(Denis, since you've related to us that you were personally present when he dropped his gun...did you or anyone else offer to help him if he so desired?)
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I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.
RL courthouse goatse FTW.
I should call a press conference for the FSP. And then strip naked while open carrying in front of the cameras.
No, do it for FreeKeene
The FSP needs some new NUDE publicity.
FTFY....
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Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.
This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.
Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!
Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.
Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before excising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.
Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.
plenty of good instructors in NH...both native and immigrants...
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Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.
This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.
Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!
Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.
Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before excising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.
Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.
plenty of good instructors in NH...both native and immigrants...
I was thinking of something free of charge and above and beyond the regular type of gun safety program.
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There are FSPers and native Friends of the FSP that are credentialed (I forget with what organization(s)) to give regular gun safety classes, and to train other people in giving gun safety classes. I believe one of the FSP state reps is one such person.
But that's just it -- the kind of people that go to (and teach) such classes are, by and large, the kind of people that run (credible) campaigns for for State Rep.
They are also not the kind of people to put their Free-Stater status or general philosophy right in the face of everyone they interact with.
They are the kind of people that quietly, competently volunteer at a soup kitchen... without making a drama out of it.
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Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.
This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.
Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!
Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.
Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before excising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.
Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.
plenty of good instructors in NH...both native and immigrants...
I was thinking of something free of charge and above and beyond the regular type of gun safety program.
I'm sorry...I can't find where I mentioned a "charge"...or the type or quality of an individual program?
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Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.
This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.
Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!
Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.
Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before excising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.
Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.
plenty of good instructors in NH...both native and immigrants...
I was thinking of something free of charge and above and beyond the regular type of gun safety program.
I'm sorry...I can't find where I mentioned a "charge"...or the type or quality of an individual program?
You did not mention "charge", nor did I mentioned you did. The writen word is not the best way to communicate.
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A Candia, NH woman has turned herself in to police after several animal cruelty charges were filed against her.
http://www.wmur.com/video/19023226/index.html
So it turns out it was a freestater working for this lady that called the SPCA and started this whole process in motion.
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lol
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A Candia, NH woman has turned herself in to police after several animal cruelty charges were filed against her.
http://www.wmur.com/video/19023226/index.html
So it turns out it was a freestater working for this lady that called the SPCA and started this whole process in motion.
of course, some "freestaters" aren't as philosophically mature as others...and still resort to the guns-of-government to get "their" way...and/or to force their opinions / mandates upon others.
perhaps it would be beneficial for Beth to be dropped off naked and with no supplies out in big sky country with the thousands of wild horses currently located on bureau of land management ("government") land...
out there she would find some healthy horses, some sick horses, mostly thinner than "barn-fed" horses, and some with worms and other ailments...
But hey, just like Beth we're all still living and learning...some faster than others...
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But hey, just like Beth we're all still living and learning...some faster than others...
What!?! Beth doesn't get the RaD? Are you getting soft? Is she cute?
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I haven't met him, nothing against him I just disagree with the way he runs his business if what has been said is true. If police and firemen get discounts I really have a problem with that and I will vote with my dollar and eat at Wendy's.
I would like confirmation that this is true, but I somehow believe it.
It's called "paying off the cops to keep them off your ass". Why is that so morally depraved?
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But hey, just like Beth we're all still living and learning...some faster than others...
What!?! Beth doesn't get the RaD? Are you getting soft? Is she cute?
Beautiful...
just wish she had consulted with those more philosophically mature than the forever-meddling bureaucrats and their murdering enforcers...
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Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms.
Very few, I'd expect.
A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before exercising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.
I have been mildly fearfully awaiting just such an event.
Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.
If by entice you mean pay, then I'm sure I could be persuaded.
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Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun! |
That's why I don't carry a gun. I know I'm a clumsy idiot, and I just never cared for guns in the first 2.5 decades of [my] life. Better leave it to the professionals. (I mean free market professionals, obviously.)
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That's why I don't carry a gun. I know I'm a clumsy idiot, and I just never cared for guns in the first 2.5 decades of his life. Better leave it to the professionals. (I mean free market professionals, obviously.)
I think that that is a very mature and rational attitude.
Also, it's the same reason I'm not having kids.
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Kids don't shoot projectiles when mishandled, and they're very resilient. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing my parents did or could have done that would be worse for me than not being born. Even if you end up a socially retarded forum troll, it's still a life worth living. But that's just me.
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Kids don't shoot projectiles when mishandled, and they're very resilient. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing my parents did or could have done that would be worse for me than not being born. Even if you end up a socially retarded forum troll, it's still a life worth living. But that's just me.
Let me clarify -
That's why I don't carry a gun have a kid. I know I'm a clumsy idiot I'd be a bad parent, and I just never cared for guns children in the first 2.5 3.4 decades of his my life. Better leave it to the professionals. (I mean free market professionals, obviously.)
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I get it, I'm just expressing my frustration with the one fatal flaw of secular libertarianism: economic growth benefits from demographic growth (or can suffer greatly from lack thereof) , and there doesn't seem to be a sufficient natural reward for having children. People will hire other people to protect them (i.e. handle guns), but not to have children who will be needed to fill the labor market when you retire. I believe this problem could fix itself with less government intervention in family and greater parents' rights, but that's a subject matter for another thread.
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You can give someone gun safety classes all you want but it isn't going to do a lick of good if the person is a fucking idiot like Anarcho-Jesse.
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You can give someone gun safety classes all you want but it isn't going to do a lick of good if the person is a fucking idiot like Anarcho-Jesse.
(http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?action=dlattach%3Battach=61%3Btype=avatar)
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You can give someone gun safety classes all you want but it isn't going to do a lick of good if the person is a fucking idiot like Anarcho-Jesse.
Interesting. You're not the first person to say that AJ is sort of a dipshit.
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OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) …
Yeah. These would be the people responsible for fracturing the gun-rights movement into no less than three organizations (GO-NH, PGNH, NHFC), which spend more time bickering amongst themselves than getting things done. Among their highlights are (a) kicking legislators off of their own board, when said legislator–board members weren’t there, (b) attacking pro-gun legislators like Jason Bedrick, with wild conspiracy theories about the true intent of his pro-gun bills, and (c) calling the police on a gun owner advertising a gun for sale.
Just thought I should throw that out there.
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There are FSPers and native Friends of the FSP that are credentialed (I forget with what organization(s)) to give regular gun safety classes, and to train other people in giving gun safety classes. I believe one of the FSP state reps is one such person.
But that's just it -- the kind of people that go to (and teach) such classes are, by and large, the kind of people that run (credible) campaigns for for State Rep.
They are also not the kind of people to put their Free-Stater status or general philosophy right in the face of everyone they interact with.
They are the kind of people that quietly, competently volunteer at a soup kitchen... without making a drama out of it.
Anyone who’s gone out to Ron’s range has gotten a crash course in gun safety.
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Ron who?
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Anyone who’s gone out to Ron’s range has gotten a crash course in gun safety.
If AnarchoJesse is the result, we know how good it is.
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Some people are just a bit lacking in street smarts, it happens. Everyone else just has to compensate for them I guess.
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AJ is a fed.
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AJ is a fed.
Start backing the statement up please. /curious
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AJ is a fed.
Start backing the statement up please. /curious
It's Bonerjoe. There's nothing to back up. He's kidding, you see.
Bonerjoe = Class clown.
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wat
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AJ is a fed.
Start backing the statement up please. /curious
It's Bonerjoe. There's nothing to back up. He's kidding, you see.
Bonerjoe = Class clown.
He's not kidding. He was talking about Alex Jones.
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Ron who?
Helwig. There’s info about the range at http://ronhelwig.com/, but the site seems to be down now, so I can’t link directly to the right page.
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^^ Thought he meant AnarchoJesse. ^ Something to read, thx.
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AJ is a fed.
Start backing the statement up please. /curious
It's Bonerjoe. There's nothing to back up. He's kidding, you see.
Bonerjoe = Class clown.
He's not kidding. He was talking about Alex Jones.
Doh! I thought he was talking about AnarchoJesse. My bad.
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Ron who?
Helwig. There’s info about the range at http://ronhelwig.com/, but the site seems to be down now, so I can’t link directly to the right page.
Isn't he trying to sell his place?
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^^ Thought he meant AnarchoJesse. ^ Something to read, thx.
AJ is a fed.
Start backing the statement up please. /curious
It's Bonerjoe. There's nothing to back up. He's kidding, you see.
Bonerjoe = Class clown.
He's not kidding. He was talking about Alex Jones.
Doh! I thought he was talking about AnarchoJesse. My bad.
Actually, I was kidding. And, maybe you were, too.
I'm confused by the failure of the Internet to convey sarcasm. I blame Al Gore.
So, anyway. Yeah. Totally OT, but I guess a couple of weeks ago there was a GCN charlatan cage match between Rense and Jones as to which of them was a fed. I'd google it for you, anachir, but I don't want to boost either of those keywords.
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Thanks! 8)
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I was wondering how Ivy started and kept her restaurant going.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=818.msg6897;topicseen#msg6897
So, I've been getting phone calls and emails asking about Lumpy's somewhat cryptic message here. And today I got the official notice in the mail, so I figured I could mention it at this point. Unless some miracle happens we are going to have to close the restaurant. And there's more.
I've been kinda vague about our financial situation here up til now, but let me explain a bit:
When the opportunity to open up this restaurant came up, we were a bit skeptical but hopeful that we could make it work. We had no money to our name, but I had one person who believed in my coking abilities who was willing to invest the first month's rent, and Bill had a credit card with a high limit. Initially Bill decided to fund this project all on credit to the tune of approximately $17,000K.
We opened on September 12th - the tail end of the busy season. I've mentioned to people lately that "we get about 4 customers a week" - it's been that way since November. In fact, we made more money in the last two weeks of September, than any other month at all. In fact, those two weeks in September were nearly double the next-highest month's income.
As months passed, and we had no customers, Bill decided to dig into his nest egg. His mother had put aside $20K for him to use as a down-payment on a home.
We used it all.
So, huge debt, then drained nest-egg, next step was to stop paying certain invoices that maybe weren't necessary. So first the DirectTV was shut off, then they came and took the dumpster away.
Then we progressively got behind in necessary utilities. Once a necessary utility gets shut off, we will be forced to close our doors with not a penny to our name and no way of earning any of it back.
I've mentioned recently the electric would "probably" be shut of in the next couple weeks? Yeah. I got the disconnect notice today.
Date of Disconnect: April 28th.
my birthday no less....
Cry
On top of that, the place we stay at in Grafton is not our property, and the end of our contract is May 1st.
So we will be broke, in tons of debt, and homeless by May 1st. So that's the story. You heard it straight from the horse's mouth, since I know the rumor mill has other (mis)information...
I don't have a plan. I've been sending out resumes since mid December and not had one bite. I sent Peter to mom's house last week and he'll stay there for now until we figure something out. If there was some way to make it through until next month, that's *supposedly* when this town becomes busy again. If we could "make it" to the busy season, we'd make all our money back and then some (supposedly), but again, unless there's some miracle, I don't see how we can make it. I've tried selling personal stuff, I've tried having fundraisers, if our house hadn't gotten broken in to in January and all my jewelry and all of our gold and silver coins stolen, we would have sold those by now - but it is what it is...
Thanks Ian. Certainly appreciated.
Well, just to pay off the electric bill and pay upcoming rent will be $2500.00. But then there's keeping food stocked, keeping the phone on, travel expenses, labor expenses if we're away for some reason. We're probably talking about $5,000.00. It's a lot. We really drownded ourselves... *sigh* you live you learn I suppose.
I thought I sent you an email. I will check on that. My apologies. But I will say, I don't want this issue to be confused with Sam's case. This is a personal issue and if people want to help, we certainly appreciate it. But I'm helping Sam because I care for him and I admire him and I am so very grateful for what he does here in this state.
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I was wondering how Ivy started and kept her restaurant going.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=818.msg6897;topicseen#msg6897
So, I've been getting phone calls and emails asking about Lumpy's somewhat cryptic message here. And today I got the official notice in the mail, so I figured I could mention it at this point. Unless some miracle happens we are going to have to close the restaurant. And there's more.
I've been kinda vague about our financial situation here up til now, but let me explain a bit:
When the opportunity to open up this restaurant came up, we were a bit skeptical but hopeful that we could make it work. We had no money to our name, but I had one person who believed in my coking abilities who was willing to invest the first month's rent, and Bill had a credit card with a high limit. Initially Bill decided to fund this project all on credit to the tune of approximately $17,000K.
We opened on September 12th - the tail end of the busy season. I've mentioned to people lately that "we get about 4 customers a week" - it's been that way since November. In fact, we made more money in the last two weeks of September, than any other month at all. In fact, those two weeks in September were nearly double the next-highest month's income.
As months passed, and we had no customers, Bill decided to dig into his nest egg. His mother had put aside $20K for him to use as a down-payment on a home.
We used it all.
So, huge debt, then drained nest-egg, next step was to stop paying certain invoices that maybe weren't necessary. So first the DirectTV was shut off, then they came and took the dumpster away.
Then we progressively got behind in necessary utilities. Once a necessary utility gets shut off, we will be forced to close our doors with not a penny to our name and no way of earning any of it back.
I've mentioned recently the electric would "probably" be shut of in the next couple weeks? Yeah. I got the disconnect notice today.
Date of Disconnect: April 28th.
my birthday no less....
Cry
On top of that, the place we stay at in Grafton is not our property, and the end of our contract is May 1st.
So we will be broke, in tons of debt, and homeless by May 1st. So that's the story. You heard it straight from the horse's mouth, since I know the rumor mill has other (mis)information...
I don't have a plan. I've been sending out resumes since mid December and not had one bite. I sent Peter to mom's house last week and he'll stay there for now until we figure something out. If there was some way to make it through until next month, that's *supposedly* when this town becomes busy again. If we could "make it" to the busy season, we'd make all our money back and then some (supposedly), but again, unless there's some miracle, I don't see how we can make it. I've tried selling personal stuff, I've tried having fundraisers, if our house hadn't gotten broken in to in January and all my jewelry and all of our gold and silver coins stolen, we would have sold those by now - but it is what it is...
Thanks Ian. Certainly appreciated.
Well, just to pay off the electric bill and pay upcoming rent will be $2500.00. But then there's keeping food stocked, keeping the phone on, travel expenses, labor expenses if we're away for some reason. We're probably talking about $5,000.00. It's a lot. We really drownded ourselves... *sigh* you live you learn I suppose.
I thought I sent you an email. I will check on that. My apologies. But I will say, I don't want this issue to be confused with Sam's case. This is a personal issue and if people want to help, we certainly appreciate it. But I'm helping Sam because I care for him and I admire him and I am so very grateful for what he does here in this state.
I think you're going to see hundreds of thousands of people in exactly these same situations in the next four to eight months...
Personally, I'd be REALLY surprised if the shit hasn't hit the fan in less than the next 365 days...seriously...
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Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.
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Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.
but obama was going to pay all our mortgages, shit sunshine and give everyone blowjob machines!
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give everyone blowjob machines!
Yeah, but they're repurposed auto body welding robots sold off from GM plants.
Blowjobs: With extra molten steel!
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Blowjobs: With extra molten steel!
Shootin' bullets.
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Personally, I'd be REALLY surprised if the shit hasn't hit the fan in less than the next 365 days...seriously...
No, I don't think SHTF for another 3-5 years. But ZOMG when it hits, it's gonna make 1934 look like a walk in the park.
The restaurant business is among the hardest to get established -- who hasn't seen family-owned places open and close in the space of 1-2 years? Not the place I'd invest my nest egg, frankly. There are much less risky ways to get entrepreneurial with cooking skills. One of the best is the kind where they come to your place and cook meals. Almost zero overhead.
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There are much less risky ways to get entrepreneurial with cooking skills. One of the best is the kind where they come to your place and cook meals. Almost zero overhead.
and some of them that are plenty fun. I'm working on an entrepreneurial venture which involves a dozen hot women and cooking. Hopefully it will make me some money.
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Personally, I'd be REALLY surprised if the shit hasn't hit the fan in less than the next 365 days...seriously...
No, I don't think SHTF for another 3-5 years. But ZOMG when it hits, it's gonna make 1934 look like a walk in the park.
Ah yes, the Great Depression...so many have forgotten...and so many more never understood it...
If the powers that be get their wish...welcome to World War Three...
BATTLEFIELD USA...
Tick, tick, tick...
Kaboom...
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I'm working on an entrepreneurial venture which involves a dozen hot women and cooking. Hopefully it will make me some money.
A dozen hot women and good food?
Come to NH and I will help ensure there are customers 8)
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Personally, I'd be REALLY surprised if the shit hasn't hit the fan in less than the next 365 days...seriously...
No, I don't think SHTF for another 3-5 years. But ZOMG when it hits, it's gonna make 1934 look like a walk in the park.
You might be interested in this article where a projection for somewhere between memorial day and the fourth of july...pitchforks come out and blood flows...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/kunstler1.html
and that guy's audience probably feels similarly...
hmmm....
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I'm working on an entrepreneurial venture which involves a dozen hot women and cooking. Hopefully it will make me some money.
A dozen hot women and good food?
Come to NH and I will help ensure there are customers 8)
I am in New Hampshire. I'm living in Manchester right now. If all goes well I will be selling my stuff at Porcfest.
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I am in New Hampshire. I'm living in Manchester right now. If all goes well I will be selling my stuff at Porcfest.
w00t!
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I'm working on an entrepreneurial venture which involves a dozen hot women and cooking. Hopefully it will make me some money.
A dozen hot women and good food?
Come to NH and I will help ensure there are customers 8)
I am in New Hampshire. I'm living in Manchester right now. If all goes well I will be selling my stuff at Porcfest.
Better not be cannibalism.
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Better not be cannibalism.
Strange that this is the last post in this thread...
Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt
Where I'm quoted as saying cannibalism is A-OK 8) meh....
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Better not be cannibalism.
Strange that this is the last post in this thread...
Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt
Where I'm quoted as saying cannibalism is A-OK 8) meh....
any publicity is good publicity for the Freedom and Liberty Movement...
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As for legalizing cannibalism, as some fringe Free Staters openly advocate, Ryder said he believes people should be able to eat human flesh if they want and have sole possession of the body they’re consuming.
“If you’ve killed someone and eaten them, then you are guilty of murder,” he said. “If there is no family member or other person who has higher claim to a dead body than you, I guess you can do whatever you want with that. I can’t say that I agree with it, but I can’t say I would throw you in jail if you did it,” Ryder said.
Did you really have to say that to a reporter? :?
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As for legalizing cannibalism, as some fringe Free Staters openly advocate, Ryder said he believes people should be able to eat human flesh if they want and have sole possession of the body they’re consuming.
“If you’ve killed someone and eaten them, then you are guilty of murder,” he said. “If there is no family member or other person who has higher claim to a dead body than you, I guess you can do whatever you want with that. I can’t say that I agree with it, but I can’t say I would throw you in jail if you did it,” Ryder said.
Did you really have to say that to a reporter? :?
No. I was asked specifically about it.
I don't have the politician tactics of ignoring the question and saying something completely unrelated. Not yet at least.
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Only people who don't support the NAP get upset over something as trivial as the ownership of a dead body.
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Only people who don't support the NAP get upset over something as trivial as the ownership of a dead body.
ya think...lol
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Too bad they didn't ask about donkey sex shows.
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Too bad they didn't ask about donkey sex shows.
what donkeys?
those were taken away by the SPCA after reports of those awful abusive acts of forcing the donkey's penis into that woman's vagina...
oh the horrors...the terror...the abuse...the shame...
(I did see the donkey smilin' though...)
HeeeHaaawwww
HeeeHaaawwww
Cowgirl Up...
enjoy!
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Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt
In her article — Free Staters say it is inaccurate and slanderous — Martens focuses on a group that organized the Free Town Project in an attempt to take over the small New Hampshire town of Grafton, in the Lake Sunapee area, population of about 1,100. The project failed, and the group tried again in the desolate Texas county of Loving, where they were also ousted.
She thinks the FTP isn't still trying?
"Grafton Welcome Wagon. They don't have a website." -Dave Ridley.
Here is Pam Martens article:
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~rich1/counterpunch_vol16no7.pdf
haha, the save-grafton blog was quoted
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As for legalizing cannibalism, as some fringe Free Staters openly advocate, Ryder said he believes people should be able to eat human flesh if they want and have sole possession of the body they’re consuming.
“If you’ve killed someone and eaten them, then you are guilty of murder,” he said. “If there is no family member or other person who has higher claim to a dead body than you, I guess you can do whatever you want with that. I can’t say that I agree with it, but I can’t say I would throw you in jail if you did it,” Ryder said.
Did you really have to say that to a reporter? :?
No. I was asked specifically about it.
I don't have the politician tactics of ignoring the question and saying something completely unrelated. Not yet at least.
Oh sorry. I thought they were trying to interview you and you jumped straight to a "fringer" topic.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895
Nobody is going to fucking read those eight pages. Post an actual piece of convo here or use quote brackets.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895
Nobody is going to fucking read those eight pages. Post an actual piece of convo here or use quote brackets.
I didn't read it either. I'm guessing it's 8 pages of:
-Jesse was right to pull the gun.
-No he wasn't
-Carrying a gun isn't aggression.
-But it can be seen as it
But it related to previous posts in this thread... so...
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I didn't read it either. I'm guessing it's 8 pages of:
-Jesse was right to pull the gun.
-No he wasn't
-Carrying a gun isn't aggression.
-But it can be seen as it
But it related to previous posts in this thread... so...
Naw, it was mostly "Jesse is a clumsy fuck who doesn't know what kind of gun to carry or how to handle it like a responsible person.", followed by a bunch of fuckwits who were claiming that it was okay to brandish and try to use a gun as a negotiation tool with dashes of "GUNS R' BAD, K?" from Russ and Kat.
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Naw, it was mostly "Jesse is a clumsy fuck who doesn't know what kind of gun to carry or how to handle it like a responsible person."
I read the thread when it was a couple pages long...then I read a couple comments at the end.
He was carrying some type of semi-auto MAC-11?
That is a horrible gun. I had one once, and sold it.
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He was carrying some type of semi-auto MAC-11?
Yes. Attached to his body with some sort of string.
That is a horrible gun. I had one once, and sold it.
Yes. Yes it is. "Let's carry a gun that functions exactly like a pistol, only less reliable and the size and shape of a submachinegun!!! Then imma tie it on wif a shoelace or something!!! Yo yo porcupines represent bitches!"
*Sigh*
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Yes. Yes it is. "Let's carry a gun that functions exactly like a pistol, only less reliable and the size and shape of a submachinegun!!! Then imma tie it on wif a shoelace or something!!! Yo yo porcupines represent bitches!"
*Sigh*
Haha, good one. I was totally in Jesse's corner til I heard he was carrying that Mac on a string.
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(http://www.mac-11.net/images/safe/safe4.jpg)
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lol
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895
M$, thanks for this thread.
Coconut, thanks for the thread pointer. Reality drama at its best.
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders. 8)
(https://genesis.heritagewebdesign.com/~chloeut/cart/pagedata/image/pwn.JPG)
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895
M$, thanks for this thread.
Coconut, thanks for the thread pointer. Reality drama at its best.
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders. 8)
god I couldn't even get past the first page before my eyes were bleeding...
point me to john's pwned post directly so I don't have to scan all nine pages...aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh........
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John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders. 8)
I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.
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John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders. 8)
I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.
I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment.
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John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders. 8)
I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.
I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment.
Perhaps so. I guess I didn't really realize how... I don't have the word for it. Resistant? Resistant to opposing views they are over there.
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John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders. 8)
I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.
I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment.
Perhaps so. I guess I didn't really realize how... I don't have the word for it. Resistant? Resistant to opposing views they are over there.
Dissent will not be tolerated.
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Dissent will not be tolerated.
(http://www.shackpics.com/download.x?file=Kanning_708oxxzilzh95s1kvv56.jpg)
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Better not be cannibalism.
Strange that this is the last post in this thread...
Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt
Where I'm quoted as saying cannibalism is A-OK 8) meh....
any publicity is good publicity for the Freedom and Liberty Movement...
Right on. The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP. We are few, and we will never Convert them.
"There are no mistakes. The events we bring upon ourselves, no matter how unpleasant, are necessary in order to learn what we need to learn; whatever steps we take, they're necessary to reach the places we've chosen to go."
-- Richard Bach
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John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders. 8)
I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.
I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment.
Perhaps so. I guess I didn't really realize how... I don't have the word for it. Resistant? Resistant to opposing views they are over there.
Dissent will not be tolerated.
all true
what's more...
the pacifist crowd goes too far with the "no resistance" thing...and they actually get LESS respect for it...
they would be respected MORE if they were "anti-war"(regardless of whether it's America/Russia or Israel/Palestine or Georgia/Alabama or Hatfields/McCoys)...
but at the same time they would be willing to rescue their own flesh and blood from the nefarious ruffians intend on ill will...
turning the cheek after the door's kicked in, the dog's dead, your spouse is bound and gagged, and your son/daughter is providing "entertainment services"...
is just NOT acceptable...even to most "statists"...
definitely not acceptable to "us"...
us=Freedom/Liberty camp...
not just John Shaw...
or NHAT...
enjoy!
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Better not be cannibalism.
Strange that this is the last post in this thread...
Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt
Where I'm quoted as saying cannibalism is A-OK 8) meh....
any publicity is good publicity for the Freedom and Liberty Movement...
Right on. The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP. We are few, and we will never Convert them.
Could you please rewrite this? I read it and thought, "then what's the point to getting thrown in jail over and over?"
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Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.
Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.
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Also, MAC-11=FAIL. MAC-10 is OK, I guess, but without a longer barrel, it's kinda stupid, but at least it fires .45 ACP (or 9mm, I guess, but I've never seen one that does). OTOH, an Uzi is not such a bad Idea in semi, because they can be carried compactly, then extended to function like a rifle. They have the action toward the rear of the gun, and that allows for a longer barrel even in the compact size. Longer barrels extend the functional range, power and accuracy of pistol rounds, so that you can use your favorite pistol round in a rifle configuration and therefore need only one type of ammo. I considered the semiauto Uzi in 9mm, because I have a pistol in 9mm and I like the round, but I decided on the Marlin Camp 9 instead. It's much cheaper, and takes high capacity mags like an Uzi, but it looks like a regular semiauto rifle. I'm still looking for one to buy, though. I expect to pay about $400. Meanwhile, Uzi's cost more than AR 15's!
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John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders. 8)
I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.
I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment.
Perhaps so. I guess I didn't really realize how... I don't have the word for it. Resistant? Resistant to opposing views they are over there.
Its their way or the highway.
When I was a kid, me and a bunch of friends took a van out west. I told small snips of this adventure before.
Well, anyway, part of the trip was to meet up with these Oregon hippies one of us knew. Older, with kids, a little more settled. Very cool people - if you were a few steps removed. Very much ahead of the curve on the revelations we now discuss on a regular basis. FRN's, high-level corruption, globalism, propaganda, television, the whole nine yards. Having seen pix of your dad, I'm assuming you were exposed to these types in the late 80's. They were neat, polite, Vegan, educated, and modestly successful. And arrogant as hell. You'd think they'd shrug their shoulders at a lot of stuff, like "hey man, do your thing, its a free country." Wrong. They were right, and everybody else was wrong unless they were in complete agreement.
It was probably the most uncomfortable I've ever been in a situation that was - overall - one of the most comparable settings that reflected my general beliefs. Since then, I've been exposed to these types numerous times, too numerous to count. And I've learned over and over, extremists of any sort are to be avoided. Cool is not cool enough for these fucks, they have to float over the pinnacle on a magic carpet of idealism. Its impractical, and the more you scratch the surface, the more alarming it becomes. I have no problem with them living their way, but they have a problem with me living my way. And one of us is wrong. And as far as I'm concerned, it ain't me.
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Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)
WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.
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Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)
WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.
*Deep Breathing Exercises*
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Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)
WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.
*Deep Breathing Exercises*
Obviously Jesse is a fed.
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Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)
WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.
That has to be a joke... right?
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That has to be a joke... right?
That is activism!
Watch the video. It's even better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcV-QaHfNA
[youtube=425,350]HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]
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(http://www.mac-11.net/images/safe/safe4.jpg)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9747/boneryes.jpg)
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LOL!
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Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)
WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.
Maybe he should have used his anarcho-jesse notes to buy a goddamn sling instead of top soil.
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That has to be a joke... right?
That is activism!
Watch the video. It's even better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcV-QaHfNA
[youtube=425,350]HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]
This will bring the state to it's knees!
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That has to be a joke... right?
That is activism!
Watch the video. It's even better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcV-QaHfNA
[youtube=425,350]HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]
I don't blame the cop in this instance. If I saw a guy carrying a rifle and digging around on a median in the middle of the road . . . yeah . . .
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Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.
Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.
I agree. The restaurant I work at is moderatly successful (though still young) yet they hired me as a cook with zero cooking experience going in.
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Does that fucking idiot even think?
Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.
Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.
I found it absolutely amazing that someone was willing to entrust that kind of money to someone with such poor character as Ivy. With all the problems that she's caused for people here I'm surprised anyone would have trusted that swamp hag bar fly with a dime. Only thing anyone should ever give her is a fucking bus ticket back to Rhode Island.
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AnarchoJesse hasn't got a fucking brain in that idiot head of his.
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Does that fucking idiot even think? Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.
Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.
I found it absolutely amazing that someone was willing to entrust that kind of money to someone with such poor character as Ivy. With all the problems that she's caused for people here I'm surprised anyone would have trusted that swamp hag bar fly with a dime. Only thing anyone should ever give her is a fucking bus ticket back to Rhode Island.
The "free towners" will embrace just about anyone who is willing to live in Grafton. But they are also willing to throw people under the bus.
But that business plan sucked. Opening a mexican restaurant on credit in Bristol, NH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol,_New_Hampshire), a town with a population of around 3000, during the off season? The big attraction in Bristol is Newfound Lake. The lake isn't that big of an attraction and only in the summer.
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The 'free towners' are little more than half-wit ideologues. They seem more interested in becoming separatists than actual political activists. I kinda wish they picked someplace a little more remote like Greenland so I wouldn't have to hear from them.
Half of the business that reprobate Ivy has gotten has been a bunch of other free staters who are going up there more out of pity than anything else.
If I were to open up a restaurant in this state, it would be a Breastaraunt and I'd probably put it in Manchester or Nashua.
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The 'free towners' are little more than half-wit ideologues. They seem more interested in becoming separatists than actual political activists. I kinda wish they picked someplace a little more remote like Greenland so I wouldn't have to hear from them.
Half of the business that reprobate Ivy has gotten has been a bunch of other free staters who are going up there more out of pity than anything else.
If I were to open up a restaurant in this state, it would be a Breastaraunt and I'd probably put it in Manchester or Nashua.
I'd have to say that...with the downturn in the economy...we'll probably see a resurgence of private gentlemen's and gentleladie's clubs...
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The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP. We are few, and we will never Convert them.
Could you please rewrite this? I read it and thought, "then what's the point to getting thrown in jail over and over?"
"The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP."
The shitheads do not matter. Trying to persuade them not to Initiate Force against us is a waste of time that could be better spent showing Real Libertarians that we CAN make one small place where we can Vote With Our Feet and live more or less free from their oppression... one shining place where, for the first time in the history of Planet Earth, libertarians can actually move and be The Majority - which means, in the U.S., that we can restrict Enforcement of Evil Laws by Voting for our own Town or County officials and law enforcement officers.
"We are few, and we will never Convert them."
We cannot be a Majority anywhere without moving in libertarians to some place that has fewer shithead Voters than we are able to move in. To expect to Convert a meaningful number of Them is a recipe for heartbreak. We must bring our own libertarians. And the place where we go must have a very low "native" population. This means a tiny Nebraska or Texas County, or a New England (NH) Town. Or, possibly, because of the special Wyoming Laws, we could from a New County by splitting an existing Wyoming County. This last is especially attractive because we could form a New County in the middle of Cheyenne - we could even make our County include the Capitol and that SubWay that serves buffalo subs. THEN you'd see Publicity - our Sheriff woiuld have jurisdiction over the Legislature! And remember, there are no State Police in Wyoming!! We would reign supreme!!!
As a practical matter, we must recognize that the state of Wyoming would stop us form actually splitting a New County off in real life. So the best bet short-term is Ellsworth NH, then Grafton.
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The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP. We are few, and we will never Convert them.
Could you please rewrite this? I read it and thought, "then what's the point to getting thrown in jail over and over?"
"The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP."
The shitheads do not matter. Trying to persuade them not to Initiate Force against us is a waste of time that could be better spent showing Real Libertarians that we CAN make one small place where we can Vote With Our Feet and live more or less free from their oppression... one shining place where, for the first time in the history of Planet Earth, libertarians can actually move and be The Majority - which means, in the U.S., that we can restrict Enforcement of Evil Laws by Voting for our own Town or County officials and law enforcement officers.
"We are few, and we will never Convert them."
We cannot be a Majority anywhere without moving in libertarians to some place that has fewer shithead Voters than we are able to move in. To expect to Convert a meaningful number of Them is a recipe for heartbreak. We must bring our own libertarians. And the place where we go must have a very low "native" population. This means a tiny Nebraska or Texas County, or a New England (NH) Town. Or, possibly, because of the special Wyoming Laws, we could from a New County by splitting an existing Wyoming County. This last is especially attractive because we could form a New County in the middle of Cheyenne - we could even make our County include the Capitol and that SubWay that serves buffalo subs. THEN you'd see Publicity - our Sheriff woiuld have jurisdiction over the Legislature! And remember, there are no State Police in Wyoming!! We would reign supreme!!!
As a practical matter, we must recognize that the state of Wyoming would stop us form actually splitting a New County off in real life. So the best bet short-term is Ellsworth NH, then Grafton.
Thank you! Fantastic idea btw. The more I read of Wyoming I have come to like it.
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So the best bet short-term is Ellsworth NH, then Grafton.
By short term, do you mean 10+ years?
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Does that fucking idiot even think? Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.
Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.
I found it absolutely amazing that someone was willing to entrust that kind of money to someone with such poor character as Ivy. With all the problems that she's caused for people here I'm surprised anyone would have trusted that swamp hag bar fly with a dime. Only thing anyone should ever give her is a fucking bus ticket back to Rhode Island.
The "free towners" will embrace just about anyone who is willing to live in Grafton. But they are also willing to throw people under the bus.
But that business plan sucked. Opening a mexican restaurant on credit in Bristol, NH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol,_New_Hampshire), a town with a population of around 3000, during the off season? The big attraction in Bristol is Newfound Lake. The lake isn't that big of an attraction and only in the summer.
Look, in all seriousness...
I know a couple folks who opened a little stick-built shack-restaurant after retirement, the place is practically a bunk-house with a screen door. It would remind you of a teener-league baseball food stand, except you can walk inside. A couple dudes could whack this puppy out on a weekend.
Their whole twist is breakfast and lunch, I'm pretty sure to this day, they don't serve dinner. Its all Breakfast sandwiches wrapped in tinfoil, and jumbo burgers for lunch, french fries, three-dogs-for-two-bucks, sausage sandwiches, that sorta thing. Its geared for the workin-dude and they're opened by six am, and the minute they open theres a steady stream of roofers, carpenters, mechanics, people from that-place-down-the-road (whatever), and they make a fuckin' killing. They've got potato pancakes on Thursday, and a line out the door.
And how's it done? The momma-bear calls everybody "Hon", asks hows the baby. Gives 'em a bellyfull for five-fifty, and they come back 3x a week. In the back, on the grill, is a cousin or a niece, pushin' it out - paid under the table. But they gotta be there every day, like clockwork. Because those dudes gotta be on the jobsite by 7, bangin' hammers.
Those fuckers are making money hand over fist. Says if they knew it woulda been like this, they woulda retired twenty years ago. Closed on Sundays.
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Fast food is the way to go, no doubt about it. And you really need to cut out as much overhead as possible.
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There are a couple of fast food restaurants that I wish were in this state. I wish there was a Panchero's in NH.
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Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)
WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.
I know it'll be unpopular but...has this guy ever taken a hunter's safety course? Or at least talked to someone who's been a gun owner and a safe gun owning advocate? I see him carry that rifle like it's an official Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time and I think...WTF?
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Is that a rifle or a pellet gun?
I think the cop hit the nail on the head when he said that people don't see activism, they see kookism.
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He's practicing for the day he has to haul dead weight and a rifle away from the town square.
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Please. That boy is likely to remove himself from the gene pool here eventually.
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Anarcho-Jesse is a danger to himself and others.
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If he starts spending lots of time in jail then at least he'll be out of the publics view for awhile.
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Y'know.. It probably won't be long before a few of the grown-ups who live there stuff him in a barrel and throw him off a cliff.
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There are a couple of fast food restaurants that I wish were in this state. I wish there was a Panchero's in NH.
Waffle House
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This is what I want around here.
Panchero's
IHOP
Sonics
Culver's
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This is what I want around here.
Panchero's
IHOP
Sonics
Culver's
You need Bojangles.
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Never been to one but yeah. we need one of those.
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and a Tilted Kilt
http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html
(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)
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and a Tilted Kilt
http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html
(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)
:shock: one of those just opened up in stevens point. I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.
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and a Tilted Kilt
http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html
(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)
:shock: one of those just opened up in stevens point. I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.
I went to one in Madison during the winter. I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.
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Back on topic:
http://freekeene.com/2009/04/26/sam-update-phone-call-from-sam-help-get-him-on-freedom-watch/
Ian:
I spoke with Sam this morning. He’s wondering if he should stay in jail as the writ of habeas corpus is taken to the NH supreme court. (The superior court judge denied it, saying he couldn’t let Sam out without having his “legal” name.) Sam also didn’t get mail yesterday, which he seemed bummed about. I suggested the guards have been holding his mail. I also suggested he start eating. The hunger strike hasn’t done anything to gain publicity for his case, and will only serve to weaken his composition and distract his mind. Two weeks is enough, especially for someone with Sam’s body type. So, to get out of jail, he can either wait there and see what happens, pay $10,000 cash bail (which you can bet will have whatever fines he’s ordered to pay taken out of it after a trial, so this is the worst option), or give up his “legal name”, which may lead to a bail hearing and release on recognizance.
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Ohhhh the freedom of cameras in courtrooms is intoxicating.
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Ohhhh the freedom of cameras in courtrooms is intoxicating.
This was about the lobby, not the courtroom.
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Ohhhh the freedom of cameras in courtrooms is intoxicating.
This was about the lobby, not the courtroom.
Whatever. The whole thing is stupid and dragging it out is even stupider.
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Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)
WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.
I know it'll be unpopular but...has this guy ever taken a hunter's safety course? Or at least talked to someone who's been a gun owner and a safe gun owning advocate? I see him carry that rifle like it's an official Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time and I think...WTF?
Did anyone else notice the way he muzzle swept the cameraman not once but twice as he was putting the soil on the ground?
Yeah but it's a right! Who needs to bother with that whole responsibility thing.
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This is what I want around here.
Panchero's
IHOP
Sonics
Culver's
Culvers, really? Culvers sucks.
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and a Tilted Kilt
http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html
(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)
:shock: one of those just opened up in stevens point. I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.
I went to one in Madison during the winter. I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.
Ok I frequently visit both those places, how have I never even heard of this? I'm gonna have to talk my GF into going :lol:
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and a Tilted Kilt
http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html
(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)
:shock: one of those just opened up in stevens point. I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.
I went to one in Madison during the winter. I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.
Ok I frequently visit both those places, how have I never even heard of this? I'm gonna have to talk my GF into going :lol:
Make sure you go to one in a college town. The broads are juicier.
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and a Tilted Kilt
http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html
(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)
:shock: one of those just opened up in stevens point. I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.
I went to one in Madison during the winter. I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.
Ok I frequently visit both those places, how have I never even heard of this? I'm gonna have to talk my GF into going :lol:
Make sure you go to one in a college town. The broads are juicier.
I like how they carry that sludge-pot under their skirt so you can get the wing sauce off your fingers, like a ball washer at a golf course.
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and a Tilted Kilt
http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html
(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)
I like how they carry that sludge-pot under their skirt so you can get the wing sauce off your fingers, like a ball washer at a golf course.
I didn't notice that. My wife would have been mad had I looked long enough to notice.
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Make her wait in the car.
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Make her wait in the car.
Actually...If I could get one of those outfits and have my wife wear it that'd be better.
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and a Tilted Kilt
http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html
(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)
:shock: one of those just opened up in stevens point. I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.
I went to one in Madison during the winter. I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.
Ok I frequently visit both those places, how have I never even heard of this? I'm gonna have to talk my GF into going :lol:
Make sure you go to one in a college town. The broads are juicier.
Madison. Osh-Kosh. Point.
check. check. and check.
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lol
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg211718#msg211718
Jason Sorens:
Actually, I think that was the "savegrafton" blog. If she wanted a real far-right-winger, she should have spoken to that guy: a Holocaust denier who was upset most about the fact that most of us favor legalizing prostitution, who used racial terminology as an insult on this very forum.
I would respond and ask for evidence of those accusations, but I was banned.
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Letter sent out in the town Mark lives in:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg211890#msg211890
April 27, 2009
Dear Fellow Westmorelanders:
Leaders of the Free State Project movement have now bought homes and property in Westmoreland.
While my wife and I believe that tolerance for divergi ng views is a hallmark of a robust democracy, we also believe it is necessary to have a comprehensive understanding of those who say their objective is to “take over” state and local government in New Hampshire.
The town of Grafton, New Hampshire did not have an adequate plan in 2004 for dealing with the Free Staters. Grafton’s status today is as follows:
17 properties are now owned by Free Staters;
The Free Staters put a warrant article on the ballot to kill the Planning Board;
One Free Stater, whom they say has been expelled, set up a web site targeting
specific townspeople standing in their way to a takeover;
The Free Staters initiated the Grafton Gazette newspaper to promote
their agenda and silence the opposition;
A large gathering of anarchists from around the country were invited to Grafton
in 2008. See this website for details: http://burningporcupine.com/
Grafton is now promoted on Free State blogs and discussion forums as the place for
out-of-state anarchists to set up shop.
The Free Staters have already made the following inroads in Westmoreland: local government positions and infiltration of a civic organization.
My wife is a public interest writer and has spent in excess of 300 hours researching the history of the Free State movement, its tactics of intimidation, and the secret corporate money backing its agenda. Below is the second in her series of articles which appears today at www.counterpunch.org
If you would like to receive the first article in the series, future updates and a draft proposal for a 10-step program for dealing with the agenda of the Free State movement (which I seek resident input for), simply hit reply and type “Subscribe” in the subject line.
You may feel free to forward this email to other community-minded residents.
Sincerely,
Russ Martens
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Friday may be good for more drama
http://freekeene.com/2009/04/28/marijuana-activist-refusing-to-attend-trial-if-cameras-banned-from-court/
Marijuana Activist Refusing to Attend Trial if Cameras Banned from Court
Filed under: Issues, News, Thuggery — Ian at 2:20 pm on Tuesday, April 28, 2009
In response to the recent arrests (including one indefinite jailing) of videographers in the Keene District Court lobby, Andrew Carroll, who will be tried for his civil disobedience of publicly possessing marijuana on May 1st at 1:30pm, has stated the following on the Free Keene Forum:
I am going to refuse to proceed with my court case (May 1, at 1:30 pm) until cameras are allowed in. Freedom of the press is too invaluable to the protection of liberty to let its blatant violation go unchallenged. I demand the officers and magistrates of the court show proper respect for the rights of individuals. Someone needs to watch the watchers.
I will show up on May 1 and attend my trial as scheduled; but I will refuse to proceed with the trial without cameras there. They are too essential to a fair trial - or, more accurately, too essential to holding judges accountable for creating unfair trials - to proceed without them.
You are all, of course, free to do as you please, but that is my plan. Sam is still in jail and the least I can do to thank him for his bravery is try to take the absurdity of all these abuses to court and challenge them there. Perhaps keep him company in Westmoreland, if that’s what it comes down to. But that decision is in the hands of the “authorities.” The next move belongs to them. Let us see how many peaceful people they will throw in jail.
Other forum posts suggest that in addition to this civil disobedience by Carroll, more liberty activists may choose to also risk arrest by recording video in the allegedly public lobby of the district court, to show support for jailed videographer and activist Sam Dodson as well as journalist Dave Ridley who was first arrested for recording in the same lobby back in March.
Activists will likely gather downstairs at 3 Washington St. after 1pm on Friday. Will the government people allow cameras in their allegedly public court, or will they continue cracking down on peaceful people attempting to exercise their supposed right to freedom of the press? Also, will Andrew be jailed over his courageous act of possessing cannabis in public? If you can’t be here in person, watch it unfold here on the blog.
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Andrew shoulda been the one planting the garden instead of AnarchoJesse. His woulda been filled with other plants :)
But of course he is right up there with Sam: really wants to get a rap sheet.
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Letter sent out in the town Mark lives in:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg211890#msg211890
April 27, 2009
Dear Fellow Westmorelanders:
Blah, blah, blah...
Sincerely,
Russ Martens
This was sent as an email?
Did they talk about this on FTL?
Do people in the town know about Mark's "background" yet?
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Rut roh
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Those people are severely ugly. Deeply confused, thoroughly misguided, they need to be disabused of the notion that an increase in government power can possibly equal a proportional increase in human liberty. They are inversely proportional. Reading her article made me sick. Literally. My stomach turned.
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and in the FSP corner:
http://freedomdemocrats.org/node/3302
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Letter sent out in the town Mark lives in:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg211890#msg211890
April 27, 2009
Dear Fellow Westmorelanders:
Leaders of the Free State Project movement have now bought homes and property in Westmoreland.
While my wife and I believe that tolerance for divergi ng views is a hallmark of a robust democracy, we also believe it is necessary to have a comprehensive understanding of those who say their objective is to “take over” state and local government in New Hampshire.
The town of Grafton, New Hampshire did not have an adequate plan in 2004 for dealing with the Free Staters. Grafton’s status today is as follows:
17 properties are now owned by Free Staters;
The Free Staters put a warrant article on the ballot to kill the Planning Board;
One Free Stater, whom they say has been expelled, set up a web site targeting
specific townspeople standing in their way to a takeover;
The Free Staters initiated the Grafton Gazette newspaper to promote
their agenda and silence the opposition;
A large gathering of anarchists from around the country were invited to Grafton
in 2008. See this website for details: http://burningporcupine.com/
Grafton is now promoted on Free State blogs and discussion forums as the place for
out-of-state anarchists to set up shop.
The Free Staters have already made the following inroads in Westmoreland: local government positions and infiltration of a civic organization.
My wife is a public interest writer and has spent in excess of 300 hours researching the history of the Free State movement, its tactics of intimidation, and the secret corporate money backing its agenda. Below is the second in her series of articles which appears today at www.counterpunch.org
If you would like to receive the first article in the series, future updates and a draft proposal for a 10-step program for dealing with the agenda of the Free State movement (which I seek resident input for), simply hit reply and type “Subscribe” in the subject line.
You may feel free to forward this email to other community-minded residents.
Sincerely,
Russ Martens
So now Tim Condon wrote to me this morning:
Greetings, Larry. Hope this finds you and your family doing well. I just wanted
to alert you to the fact that the communists and Democrats have apparently
launched a full-scale smear campaign against the Free State Project and those of
us who have moved to Grafton. They're prominently using your Free Town web sites
to discredit us. (Check it all out at
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg210785, and at the
referenced Keene Sentinel article, as well as the two smear pieces published in
the online communist magazine Counterpunch.) I really wish you'd take your Free
Town web sites down, or at least note on them that you're not with the Free
State Project and that the sites are not connected with or approved by the FSP.
Your references to cannibalism and incest and other such stuff, as you know, are
at odds with what the rest of us believe. ---Tim Condon
And this was my reply:
No, they are not at odds; all libertarians oppose enforcement of laws that
punish such acts between consenting adults, and many FSP Participants are
libertarians. In fact, many FSP Participants - especially at NHUnderGround and
FreeTalkLive - today are saying the very same things to which you have objected
so strenuously (actually you do NOT object to those things, you only object to
their being voiced out loud - as if the shitheads are too dumb to google
Libertarianism).
As I tried to tell you many times, you can't achieve a voting majority in a
State without first achieving a voting majority in one small portion of that
State. And there is nothing immoral about using the Force of the Vote to stop
the Initiation of Force by some old-time residents of a Town against their
neighbors.
Read the explanation by your Dalebert here:
http://freekeene.com/2009/04/20/fine-young-cannibals/#more-1832
He seems to get it: It is a mistake to conflate (1) opposing the punishment of
an activity and (2) advocating or promoting that activity. - - - But then he
does exactly that when referring to me!
We will take over the Town Governments of Grafton and Ellsworth, and as I told
you long ago we will do it even without Converting most of the current
residents.
Respect works both ways, you know. When the shitheads do not respect our right
not to be threatened and incarcerated, we have no obligation to respect their
desire to Initiate Force against their neighbors.
And I regret to inform you that I am going to have to put Merle on The List, for
his participation in a State drug bust in Grafton. He has made his choice to
Initiate Force.
As for stating that the FSP is not associated with this or that site, my
goodness aren't you the ones who after 501(c)(3/4) have insisted that you do NOT
take any stand at all on which views the Participants espouse? Are you guys now
taking a position for and against certain political viewpoints once more?
BALLS? Say it isn't so, Tim.
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Nice.
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I love how Ms. Martens links the Kochs to the whole FSP through a single person who is affiliated with institutions that are funded by the Kochs. If that's the worst she can do to the FSP, I'd love to see what she turns up when she investigates our two major political parties.
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Free staters should be getting arrested right about now.
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Andrew shoulda been the one planting the garden instead of AnarchoJesse. His woulda been filled with other plants :)
But of course he is right up there with Sam: really wants to get a rap sheet.
I hear Andrew was fined $420.
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http://keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/05/01/news/local/free/id_354168.txt
Free Stater convicted for pot
Trial brings laughter this time, not chaos
By PHILLIP BANTZ
Sentinel Staff
Published: Friday, May 01, 2009
An 18-year-old Keene activist was convicted Friday of possessing a small amount of marijuana during a protest earlier this year.
James Andrew Carroll represented himself during his trial in Keene District Court on a Class B misdemeanor charge of marijuana possession tied to his January arrest in Railroad Square in downtown Keene.
Between 30 and 40 people with ties to the Free State Project showed up to support Carroll during the trial. Many of them protested the state’s marijuana laws, holding up homemade signs outside the courthouse, before the trial was under way.
The Free Staters relocated to New Hampshire as part of an effort to recruit at least 20,000 “liberty-loving people” to the state, according to the project’s Web site. Carroll left California for Keene.
Armed with the works of German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche and printouts of sections of the U.S. Constitution, Carroll argued that marijuana possession is a victimless crime and said his rights were being violated.
“What’s accomplished by throwing a friendly guy like me in jail?” he asked one of the Keene police officers called to testify for the prosecution.
During the cross-examination of another officer involved in collecting the marijuana seized from Carroll, he asked: “When you touched the plant, did you feel harmed in any way?”
Carroll drew laughs from his supporters in the gallery at various points throughout the trial, and even got a chuckle from Judge Edward J. Burke when he joked that he’d stashed marijuana in the Nietzsche book he brought to court.
“He laughs. He knows marijuana shouldn’t be illegal,” Carroll said.
“I do have a sense of humor,” Burke said.
Carroll took the stand to be cross-examined by Assistant Cheshire County Attorney D. Chris McLaughlin, who declined to question him.
Burke convicted Carroll after the brief trial and handed down a $420 fine, which Carroll refused to pay. The conviction carries a maximum fine of $1,200.
Carroll was also given the option of working off the fine through 42 hours of community service. He declined that option as well, saying any volunteer work he performed would be a personal choice, and not for the state.
Eight days in jail is Carroll’s only other option. He said after the trial that he would do the time and appeal the conviction.
Burke said he would rather see Carroll pay the fine with cash or community service, and gave him until Monday to reconsider his decision.
“I don’t like to do this,” Burke said of the possibility of sending Carroll to jail.
Meanwhile, Carroll’s trial turned out not to be a replay of the scene that played out at District Court during the April 13 arraignment of Manchester videographer Dave Ridley, when Free Staters and their associates protested Burke’s ban of photography in the court’s lobby.
The activists believed Burke was stepping on their right to record in a public space, and some chose to ignore the ban.
Court officials say the ban protects juveniles and victims of crimes walking through the lobby from being photographed without their consent.
There is no state law that addresses the use of recording devices in the corridors and lobbies of courtrooms.
During Ridley’s arraignment, seven people were arrested or given summonses for disorderly conduct.
A Free Stater and an activist with ties to the group recorded Carroll’s trial on video, but no one used a camera in the lobby and there were no arrests.
One of the protesters arrested during Ridley’s arraignment remains at the Cheshire County jail in Westmoreland. Sam Dodson, a Free Stater from Texas, has refused to tell the authorities his name to complete the booking process.
His attorney, Ivy Walker, a Free Stater from Rhode Island, has asked the state Supreme Court to move Dodson through the booking process and grant him a trial because the authorities have his fingerprints.
“The fingerprints are sufficient,” Walker said. “They need to release him or at least schedule a trial.”
The Supreme Court is expected to release a decision on Walker’s argument Monday.
Phillip Bantz can be reached at 352-1234, extension 1409, or pbantz@keenesentinel.com.
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(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)
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WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
SHOULD JUDGES HAVE ANY SELF CONTROL?
SADLY, THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME...
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)
SHAMEFUL INDEED...
SAD...
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf
We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad! Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton. It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.
A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.
Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.
Wasn't her maiden name Fisher? Weird...
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WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
SHOULD JUDGES HAVE ANY SELF CONTROL?
SADLY, THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME...
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)
SHAMEFUL INDEED...
SAD...
dude, it's an image macro
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The 'free towners' are little more than half-wit ideologues. They seem more interested in becoming separatists than actual political activists. I kinda wish they picked someplace a little more remote like Greenland so I wouldn't have to hear from them.
Chip on your shoulder much about people who mind their own business?
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The 'free towners' are little more than half-wit ideologues. They seem more interested in becoming separatists than actual political activists. I kinda wish they picked someplace a little more remote like Greenland so I wouldn't have to hear from them.
Chip on your shoulder much about people who mind their own business?
and I really do hope the mind their own business.......in Greenland. However if they stick around here and continue to do extremely stupid stuff then I will continue to give my opinion on them.
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RE: Anarcho Jesse and the fact that his efforts have supposedly yielded little results ( like yours have :roll: ).
Why are numerous people in this thread such consequentialist fucktards?
Since when do libertarians judge the rightness of wrongness of actions based on the end-result, rather than via examining whether a person was within their rights to do what they did. The answer is, they don't. Consequentialism has no legitimate place in libertarianism, an inherently deontological philosophy.
Some of the comments in this thread question the action, and actions can always be questioned. However, far too many comments seem to be criticisms of his effectiveness as an activist, using that as a straw man smear tactic to disparage his actions.
And for that matter, what have you done to advance the cause of liberty and defeat the State? The appropriate answer for virtually every single person here (if not all), is the same as mine. You have done nothing. If you are one of those special one-in-a-million people that managed to actually bring about legal change, leading to more liberty, let's hear what you did. If not, shut your yapper about how Anarcho Jessee has not accomplished anything.
Furthermore, holding any single person up to an impossible standard of what they must accomplish with their actions, that being, fighting entrenched bureaucracy in one of the most powerful nations on Earth, is the height of an asinine critique.
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AnarchoJesse is a fucking mindless idiot. His efforts have yielded results, unfortunately none of them positive. Dropping a gun in the state house, flipping out and yelling at people in the state house, running around with a fucking MAC-11 on a sting like he's fucking Rambo, and doing God knows what other idiocy is not doing a single fucking positive thing to advance liberty. That stupid son-of-a-bitch is a fucking embarrassment and a menace to everyone around him.
Whether you have a right to do something doesn't mean that it is the wise thing to do.
Consequences matter. I personally do not give a shit what your intentions are or your beliefs or what you believe is your right. If you are unable to deliver the goods then you are USELESS. Results are what matter.
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WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
SHOULD JUDGES HAVE ANY SELF CONTROL?
SADLY, THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME...
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)
SHAMEFUL INDEED...
SAD...
dude, it's an image macro
I'm not referring to the macro...I'm referring to the severe body language exhibited by the ALMIGHTY WORSHIPFUL pajama-clad "judge"...
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WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
SHOULD JUDGES HAVE ANY SELF CONTROL?
SADLY, THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME...
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)
SHAMEFUL INDEED...
SAD...
dude, it's an image macro
I'm not referring to the macro...I'm referring to the severe body language exhibited by the ALMIGHTY WORSHIPFUL pajama-clad "judge"...
I don't see anything wrong with that.
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A $420 fine for a couple grams of weed is pretty harsh.
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A $420 fine for a couple grams of weed is pretty harsh.
That's out Free State!
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895.msg297867#msg297867
Good to see this thread is still here. I've grown bored, and the Underground is always good for kicking shit around.
For all of my detractors, and especially YOU, Kat: They never did build statues for critics.
For those who supported me, thank you.
No they usually build statues to some SOB who got people killed.
Are you being contrarian just for the sake of it, or to save face for your clique?
I have a clique ?
Cool, who are all the members of the PatK clique?
Maybe I can get them jackets or some thing.
Ya know Jesse if ya could just get that big chip off your shoulder
and ditch the I have a big problem with my daddy thing, life would probably be
much smoother.
Choke on a donut, you miserable fat fuck.
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I may not be a big fan of Russell and Kat, but Jesse is just a dick.
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I may not be a big fan of Russell and Kat, but Jesse is just a dick.
it's the playground in second grade all over again...
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AnarchoJesse crying about his Karma:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18140.0
I wish I wasn't banned from there just so I could screw with his karma.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=989.msg9139#msg9139
Jesse thrives off of getting involved in fights he can blame on someone else.
He's going to protest G20 (or whatever it is) with a bandanna, anti-tase suit, among other things. He wants to get beaten. He can't wait.
Someone needs to make a video of that.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=989.msg9139#msg9139
Jesse thrives off of getting involved in fights he can blame on someone else.
He's going to protest G20 (or whatever it is) with a bandanna, anti-tase suit, among other things. He wants to get beaten. He can't wait.
Someone needs to make a video of that.
That whole thread is fucked.
See that dude trippin' for someone callin' out his homeboy? Fuckers are begging for a reason to throw down. Fuck that noise.
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Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.
Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon. We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself. His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question. All it was, was "noise" which distracted from the relevant issue(s).
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Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.
Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon. We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself. His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question.
Sometimes people like to have a laugh at the expense of others. There doesn't have to be a point.
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Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.
Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon. We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself. His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question. All it was, was "noise" which distracted from the relevant issue(s).
There was a relevant issue?
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Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.
Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon. We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself. His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question.
When a responsible person carries, you probably won't know he's carrying. Its like a wallet to a well balanced person, a part of their personal stuff. They know subconsciously exactly where it is, and exactly whats in it. They don't obsess over it, showing it to people. When was the last time someone showed you their wallet? You may catch a glimpse, but thats about all you'll see.
To an immature person who is not in the right frame of mind, its like the coolest fuckinshit ever. Like a kid with a new iPod or some other hot-list item, they're all geeked on it, but by the code of Man-Law, its taboo to flash it around. But they can't help it, because they want everyone to know how badass they are. And those are the absolute DEFINITIVE wrongest people to be carrying.
And other people who are sane catch that vibe. I know I do. My survival early-warning dumbfuck detector lights up. Its pingin' right now, just by reading these incidents. I know its gonna happen.
And it doesn't make a peep regarding certain other gun-people, who shall remain nameless. Because their maturity and responsibility make it a non-issue. When the sane ones are around, you're actually safer. When the immature ones are around, you're less safe. They make bad decisions, and they could go off for the wrong reasons. They could pull it out in a confrontation when its totally unnecessary. They could instigate and escalate a situation purely for the reason of pulling it out, because they have false bravado and they desire the opportunity.
And these people know that. Maybe they wouldn't explain it exactly the same way as I did, but they know. They run in very small social circles and attend the same events. They have mutual friends who migrate between circles. You could do a Venn diagram on these fuckers. And I think more than a few do NOT appreciate the fact that they live in the shadow of an active volcano.
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They run in very small social circles and attend the same events.
This has been one of my criticisms of many of the more extreme Free-Staters. They don't get involved in the community and spread the ideas of liberty in civil society. Instead they engage in navel-gazing with other libertarians (nothing wrong with that, but it accomplishes nothing in itself). The only time the rest of the community hear from them, is when they are "causing trouble"
Compare and contrast with the FSPers who are, eg, quietly helping out at the Food Bank, or get themselves elected, or even who put out newspapers/radio shows/TV programs. Those people are engaging the society, not antagonizing it.
Edit: you may flame me now, for I am full of love
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navel-gazing
LOL.
I feel compelled to mention, I don't know these people. Obviously. I base these very basic observations on my own experience, small town life and small groups that patronize the same notable events over a period of time. If you've ever made a habit of seeing a bar band when they appear, you'll notice you see the same few dozen regulars amid the larger crowd.
I feel that this is a reasonable comparison to the incestuous nature of intermingled groups who share an interest. I also know it can become very strained and uncomfortable when there is a rift that has developed among a number of the participants, and these fuckers seem to build rifts with the industrious tenacity of beavers.
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Drama in the free state indeed. It'll have to be something to look out for for any of us planning on making the move.
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The only time the rest of the community hear from them, is when they are "causing trouble"
Compare and contrast with the FSPers who are, eg, quietly helping out at the Food Bank, or get themselves elected, or even who put out newspapers/radio shows/TV programs. Those people are engaging the society, not antagonizing it.
This is actually the more important of comments I wanted to address, if any comment can be deemed important.
I have a long-standing criticism as well, on this. I've said time and again, the image is extremely important and it is damaging to the overall project when people cause shit-storms.
I have absolutely no problem with people who like to party. But it seems to me, every fuckin' burner on the planet is hell-bent for leather to roll mightily into Porc Central, and when they get there, they're housin'. If they're gonna go there to get fucked up, lets just call it what it is, the Fucked Up Project.
The locals know it. The cops know it. And neither take kindly to being a haven for a burgeoning drug culture. Granted, if you're an insider, your quality of shit has probably gone through the roof, and props to that. But that should be, at best, a pleasant side-effect of the efforts.
The real efforts should be focused on attracting some serious challengers who aren't fuckarounds. Professionals who got game. And this criticism is not in any way meant to detract or talk down to the younger folk, but you guys should really keep a tighter lid on things and not be quite so flagrant about your recreational interests. I know its exciting to be among a counterculture society, but you guys ain't the first, trust me on that. And if you've got any serious, realistic hopes on making this fucking thing work, you will pull in your horns and stop acting like a bunch of half-cocked rookies, because you're making it twice as hard on the serious folk to get any traction on the ice.
For every one guy who takes a chance opening a business, three probably decide it ain't worth it to be neck-deep in wild-eyed radicals. And thats whats killing the whole thing.
Now, I understand Denis wasn't directly or indirectly addressing the stoner situation. He tactfully sidestepped it, and instead called out a generalized "trouble". But I have no qualms about calling it what it is. Because I don't give one fuck about who likes me or not. There is a time and a place for behaviors and activities. Society is a balancing act, it requires equal measures. And you guys are seriously out of balance on the entrepreneurial and professional side. And it will NOT recover and prosper if the situation continues to grow more radical.
In fact, it will blight. And you will be blamed. People who close shops will directly blame the influx of unemployed for a downturn in economic hardship, escalating criminal activity, and low rent statistics and arrest records will be cited. People who fail in business and have a grudge are always willing to lay blame at the feet of others, rather than cite their own mistakes. And you know as well as I do, it could easily become vogue for local disenfranchised business owners to point fingers as a parting shot. I saw it a dozen times, except they cite bars as the reason. As if their yarn shop failed because of midnight bar traffic. Their yarn shop failed because its a fuckin' yarn shop.
The young men and women who participate in the various freedom projects need to display a higher measure of personal responsibility. They need to represent. They are the independent spokesmen for their cause, and should make a concerted effort to avoid at all costs being the butt of their jokes, or an example of what *not* to do.
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Responsible gun owners save lives.
Irresponsible gun owners somehow end up blowing their balls off, IF THEY'RE LUCKY, because they think it'd be cool to carry that Desert Eagle tucked into their waistbands.
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Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.
Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon. We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself. His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question.
When a responsible person carries, you probably won't know he's carrying. Its like a wallet to a well balanced person, a part of their personal stuff. They know subconsciously exactly where it is, and exactly whats in it. They don't obsess over it, showing it to people. When was the last time someone showed you their wallet? You may catch a glimpse, but thats about all you'll see.
To an immature person who is not in the right frame of mind, its like the coolest fuckinshit ever. Like a kid with a new iPod or some other hot-list item, they're all geeked on it, but by the code of Man-Law, its taboo to flash it around. But they can't help it, because they want everyone to know how badass they are. And those are the absolute DEFINITIVE wrongest people to be carrying.
I reckon the Second Amendment applies to irresponsible toy-lovers as well as to evolved gun-culture members. Just as the First applies equally to immature macho-flash exhibitionists and thoughtful talk-show hosts.
Right on (again), Alex.
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Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.
Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon. We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself. His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question. All it was, was "noise" which distracted from the relevant issue(s).
Fuck off
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Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.
Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon. We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself. His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question.
When a responsible person carries, you probably won't know he's carrying. Its like a wallet to a well balanced person, a part of their personal stuff. They know subconsciously exactly where it is, and exactly whats in it. They don't obsess over it, showing it to people. When was the last time someone showed you their wallet? You may catch a glimpse, but thats about all you'll see.
To an immature person who is not in the right frame of mind, its like the coolest fuckinshit ever. Like a kid with a new iPod or some other hot-list item, they're all geeked on it, but by the code of Man-Law, its taboo to flash it around. But they can't help it, because they want everyone to know how badass they are. And those are the absolute DEFINITIVE wrongest people to be carrying.
I reckon the Second Amendment applies to irresponsible toy-lovers as well as to evolved gun-culture members. Just as the First applies equally to immature macho-flash exhibitionists and thoughtful talk-show hosts.
Right on (again), Alex.
carillón
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Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.
Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon. We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself. His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question.
When a responsible person carries, you probably won't know he's carrying. Its like a wallet to a well balanced person, a part of their personal stuff. They know subconsciously exactly where it is, and exactly whats in it. They don't obsess over it, showing it to people. When was the last time someone showed you their wallet? You may catch a glimpse, but thats about all you'll see.
To an immature person who is not in the right frame of mind, its like the coolest fuckinshit ever. Like a kid with a new iPod or some other hot-list item, they're all geeked on it, but by the code of Man-Law, its taboo to flash it around. But they can't help it, because they want everyone to know how badass they are. And those are the absolute DEFINITIVE wrongest people to be carrying.
I reckon the Second Amendment applies to irresponsible toy-lovers as well as to evolved gun-culture members. Just as the First applies equally to immature macho-flash exhibitionists and thoughtful talk-show hosts.
Right on (again), Alex.
Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
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Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
Ostracization doesn't work.
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Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
Ostracization doesn't work.
Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...
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Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
Ostracization doesn't work.
Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...
What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.
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Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
Ostracization doesn't work.
It does too! Just sign this contract and prepare to be offended on a voluntary basis!
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Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
Ostracization doesn't work.
Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...
What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.
Yeah, I know. I's just sayin'.
They don't have to sit on their hands with mouths shut.
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Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
Ostracization doesn't work.
Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...
What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.
I agree with you. I'm just pointing out reality as it applies to this BBS :P
Ostracization doesn't work because people are disincentivized to go along with it. Think of participants in ostracization as a cartel (because that's what it is). Now think about cartels why they don't work...or if you can't figure it out, look here (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Cartels.html). And there you go.
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Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
Ostracization doesn't work.
Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...
What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.
I agree with you. I'm just pointing out reality as it applies to this BBS :P
Ostracization doesn't work because people are disincentivized to go along with it. Think of participants in ostracization as a cartel (because that's what it is). Now think about cartels why they don't work...or if you can't figure it out, look here (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Cartels.html). And there you go.
That's why it wouldn't work best case, where everybody really hates the guy.
This isn't even close to that, and most cases wouldn't be.
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Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
Ostracization doesn't work.
Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...
What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.
I agree with you. I'm just pointing out reality as it applies to this BBS :P
Ostracization doesn't work because people are disincentivized to go along with it. Think of participants in ostracization as a cartel (because that's what it is). Now think about cartels why they don't work...or if you can't figure it out, look here (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Cartels.html). And there you go.
That's why it wouldn't work best case, where everybody really hates the guy.
This isn't even close to that, and most cases wouldn't be.
I like to make the strongest case possible by being as charitable as possible to the position which I'm arguing against :P
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Yeah, it does. So what? That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others. Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense?
Ostracization doesn't work.
Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...
What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.
I agree with you. I'm just pointing out reality as it applies to this BBS :P
Ostracization doesn't work because people are disincentivized to go along with it. Think of participants in ostracization as a cartel (because that's what it is). Now think about cartels why they don't work...or if you can't figure it out, look here (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Cartels.html). And there you go.
That's why it wouldn't work best case, where everybody really hates the guy.
This isn't even close to that, and most cases wouldn't be.
I like to make the strongest case possible by being as charitable as possible to the position which I'm arguing against :P
chime
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Drama in the free state indeed. It'll have to be something to look out for for any of us planning on making the move.
To be frank, it's really not that big of a deal. Just how some of you get on this forum everyday or multiple times per day, the same applies for the denizens over there. People make posts and sometimes you get threads like this, here or there.
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t's really not that big of a deal.
^this
There are 700+ FSPers in NH. I generally see only one of them in a given day, and I'm married to her. There's drama, but not much, and it's usually because the kids are keeping us awake all night :P
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http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2009/05/29/antigovernment_activists__putting_down_roots_in_nh/
The appeal of 'Live free or die'
KEENE, N.H. - From a jail cell in this rural corner of New Hampshire, Sam A. Miller waged a philosophical battle, one milk carton at a time.
The soft-spoken electrical engineer declined food for nearly a month, save for swigs of milk. To eat, he said, would be caving to the tyrannical government powers that placed him here for illegally filming in a courthouse and refusing to reveal his legal name to jail officials. (He says it's private; jail officials obtained it from a fingerprint trace.)
His resistance has made him a folk hero among antigovernment types who have been making their way to New Hampshire from points across the country since their leaders put out a clarion call six years ago.
The Free Staters, as they are known, hope to lure thousands of like-minded souls to the state, with the goal of paring government to a bare minimum by eliminating things like taxes, speed limits, and zoning laws.
Thus far, just 427 Free Staters have relocated. Yet, here in Keene and in pockets across New Hampshire, Free Staters are making their case in increasingly provocative ways.
"Like Ghandi, like Martin Luther King, we need to educate and enlighten the public," said Miller, who joined the Free State movement after breaking up with his fiancée.
The actions have ranged from the odd, such as when Free Staters filed another person's fingernails without a manicurist's license on a public sidewalk or held an unlicensed puppet show, to the irksome, as when they tried to dig a garden in a downtown Keene park, to the instigative, such as the day they stood on a street corner with a marijuana bud held aloft. Sometimes, they simply veer toward obstinate, wearing hats in a courtroom after being asked to take them off or refusing to remove a couch from a lawn.
When arrests have followed, Free Staters have sought to film the criminal proceedings from beginning to end, including scenes from courthouse lobbies, where filming is not allowed in some cases, such as in Keene District Court. The lobby filming has yielded more arrests (often, with Free Staters going limp as officers approach) and more footage that Free Staters post on websites such as FreeKeene.com, which has proved an effective recruiting tool.
The so-called liberty actions have been met with some bemusement by residents of this gently tolerant city, population 22,800, home to Keene State College, near the border of Vermont. But some say the tactics have taken on a menacing hue, such as when Free Staters have gathered on the streets of downtown Keene with holstered guns on their waists, visible on their waists.
"When they first came to town, there was a welcoming spirit. A lot of people were like, 'OK,' " said Richard Van Wickler, a Keene resident and superintendent of the Cheshire County Department of Corrections. "But unfortunately what happens is that when [Free Staters] take the radical approach, that invites people to get angry."
More fundamentally unnerving, some say, is the Free Staters' efforts to secure government positions, with the goal of whittling down or eliminating them. The Free State Project's president, Varrin Swearingen, said in a telephone interview there are four state representatives with ties to the project and a "double-digit number" on local boards and commissions. He declined to release their names, saying to do so would violate their privacy, though he said some have "outed" themselves.
The officials already are wielding influence, he said. For example, a Free Stater elected to a planning board in a town near Keene, which he would not identify, swayed the board to vote against a zoning ordinance restricting new big box stores, a measure the Free State member said unfairly restricted property rights.
The Free State Project is the brainchild of Jason Sorens, a State University of New York-Buffalo political science professor who published an article in 2001 in the online magazine Libertarian Enterprise outlining the idea. "Government should be there to protect people's rights but otherwise allow for the maximum amount of freedom," Sorens said in a telephone interview. "It goes back to John Locke and Thomas Jefferson."
The article made a splash in libertarian circles, and in 2003, some 2,500 followers of Sorens voted to make New Hampshire their laboratory, believing that the state's flinty individualism would jibe with its view of small government, limited to "protecting life, liberty, and property." Then former governor Craig Benson endorsed the group's plan, and would-be revolutionaries began trickling into the state.
Unlike militia groups in the West, Free Staters are not loners who seek to live solitary existences undisturbed by government intrusion. "You tend to find people [in the Free State Project] who are happy to live in cities and towns and who want to persuade people that freedom is better than tyranny," Swearingen said in an interview.
There was no concerted plan to make Keene a focal point. But when high-profile activists, such as Ian "Freeman" Bernard, host of "Free Talk Live," a nationally syndicated radio program, and Lauren Canario, a veteran civil disobedience activist, found their way here, others followed. Today, Keene counts several dozen outspoken Free Staters and more who operate less flamboyantly. The Keene Free Staters tend toward the far end of the Free State Project spectrum, believing that government should not just be limited, but eradicated.
On a recent day, six Free Staters gathered at a Panera's in Keene to talk about the Project. The members hailed from across the country - Oklahoma, Florida, California, Nevada. Many are single men; the majority are computer programmers. They tend to speak in precise diction and with overarching politeness. But at the mention of government, they betray a brimming anger and declare zealous dedication to the Free State Project.
"Short of death - no limits," said Canario, the lone woman at the gathering, who spent over a month in jail when she refused to provide identification or speak to a police officer who pulled her over for speeding.
The Free Staters said they have no plans to temper their acts of civil disobedience, and if anything, will ramp up their attacks on the court system for not permitting them to film in the lobby. (Court officials say the ban is necessary to prevent the filming of children or domestic violence victims who may be present in the lobby.)
But Free Staters, keenly aware of their image, have undertaken a public relations campaign. Hoping to end the use of parking meters, Free Staters have fanned out across Keene on recent afternoons to place nickels in expired meters, leaving notes on windshields signed "Robin of Keene."
For inspiration, they say they need look no further than to Miller's jailing and hunger strike, which he ended Sunday. The 30-something son of a Dallas police officer faces one misdemeanor count of resisting arrest, said Miller and Ivy Walker, his acting legal counsel.
During an interview in the airless visitors room of Cheshire County Jail, Miller said he has scratched "FreeKeene" into a wall with his thumb and befriended other inmates, who gave him their milk. Still, he said, jail has only reinforced his abiding conviction that government, as constituted, is an enslaver.
"I see Free Staters as the modern-day abolitionists," he said.
© Copyright 2009 Globe Newspaper Company.
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fair
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I had to laugh. Sam is a piglet, and Varrin won't "out" FSP members who got elected.
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So he's not called Dodson? :lol:
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So he's not called Dodson? :lol:
I think that is his mothers maiden name.
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What does this piglet mean in this sense?
/me is confus
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What does this piglet mean in this sense?
/me is confus
Offspring of a pig.
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What does this piglet mean in this sense?
/me is confus
Offspring of a pig.
Oh, duh, I didn't read that far into the article. LOL.
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I had to laugh. Sam is a piglet, and Varrin won't "out" FSP members who got elected.
As a noob - I didn't find any humor in the article
More fundamentally unnerving, some say, is the Free Staters' efforts to secure government positions, with the goal of whittling down or eliminating them. The Free State Project's president, Varrin Swearingen, said in a telephone interview there are four state representatives with ties to the project and a "double-digit number" on local boards and commissions. He declined to release their names, saying to do so would violate their privacy, though he said some have "outed" themselves.
I find it funny that some of these people don't want to be associated with the Free State Project. They also make it a point to let other people know they don't want to be 'outed'. The only state rep. they have been willing to name is Joel Winters.
Check out this thread Where's the list of FSP State Rep Winners? (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=16281.0) on the FSP frourm.
Dreepa....He is a selectman in Hopinkin (http://forum.nhliberty.org/index.php?topic=735.0). He posted this stuff:
There were 4 FSP Movers who won.
Not all of them want their names known. In some towns being an FSPer can help. In others it can hurt.
Many FSPers will answer honestly if asked if they are a freestater but often don't shout it frm the rooftops.
We should respect their privacy.
That sounds like some Freestaters will deny being a Freestater. There is so much comedy in this.
No disrespect but who am I to tell you who they are if they asked that I didn't. I keep my word.
(http://www.jimforsythe.com/extras/phpThumb/phpThumb.php?src=http://www.jimforsythe.com/images/uploads/Jenn.jpg&w=120&h=120&sx=1&sy=1&zc=1)
Coffey, Jennifer Andover,Boscawen,Canterbury,Loudon,Northfield,Salisbur
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/3010724012_18b4f4a9c2.jpg?v=0)
McGuire, Carol Allenstown,Epsom,Pittsfield
(http://www.jimforsythe.com/extras/phpThumb/phpThumb.php?src=http://www.jimforsythe.com/images/uploads/Pratt.JPG&w=120&h=120&sx=1&sy=1&zc=1)
Pratt, Cal Goffstown,Wear
Winters, Joel Manchester
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18237.msg298855
Kat Kanning:Lifted all bans, except for spammers.
Looks like I wasn't just banned, my account was deleted.
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Of course, you only listed the early movers who got elected as state rep. There are FSP members that were in NH before it was "Chosen" and who are still sitting State Reps (and some who got unelected in the past few cycles)
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Of course, you only listed the early movers who got elected as state rep. There are FSP members that were in NH before it was "Chosen" and who are still sitting State Reps (and some who got unelected in the past few cycles)
2 more?
I wonder if they will only admit to being a FSP member to another FSP member.
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It's a secret takeover.
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Wouldnt the FSP be shut down if horrible masses of people start signing up? Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?
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Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?
This already happened. It's why the FSP isn't worth a damn now.
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Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?
This already happened. It's why the FSP isn't worth a damn now.
The FSP is doing just fine, Beej.
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Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?
This already happened. It's why the FSP isn't worth a damn now.
The FSP is doing just fine, Beej.
Yeah, Beej.
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Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?
This already happened. It's why the FSP isn't worth a damn now.
The FSP is doing just fine, Beej.
Riiiight.
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'just fine' as in "I've fallen and I can't get up! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I've_fallen_and_I_can't_get_up)"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Lifecall-1.jpg)
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'just fine' as in "I've fallen and I can't get up! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I've_fallen_and_I_can't_get_up)"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Lifecall-1.jpg)
I can appreciate the humor, but ultimately I don't understand why you and bj think that the FSP isn't worth a damn. What precisely do the two of you not like about the direction that the FSP is heading? Are you just upset w/ the slow moving progress? I mean, I just moved here and my life is financially better already. I even have leads with hot chicks (though not FSPers) and I've only been here a week. What's the deal?
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lol
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lol
You got up that early to say that? Come on Beej, you're way cooler than that. :o
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lol
You got up that early to say that? Come on Beej, you're way cooler than that. :o
You're like a Scientologist.
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lol
You got up that early to say that? Come on Beej, you're way cooler than that. :o
You're like a Scientologist.
No, I'm Catholic. You know you like those 10 commandments...
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This guy in Keene wants to be a hero
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1039.msg9855
Sometime Monday 6/8/09 I will challenge the courts on Sams indefinite imprisonment, prolly with a sign hold in the court room silently, in the back with no chanting. I don't know exactly when as judge Burke holds different court times, I'm not even certain he holds court on mondays. I would prefer to focus on primary enforcers such as police rather than secondary enforcers such as courts, and jails, however in Sams situation, it is judge Burke who is the primary instigator. The following is my statement, though I will likely make minor changes, and polish it up a bit. ===
Every nation in the world that imprisons people indefinitely, with or without trial always has an excuse. The Soviets had some reason to put every individual they arrested in jail. Cuba has its excuses. China too. Don't forget about Iran. Why do powerful governments bother even giving excuses? Because it gives them the legitimacy to do anything to anyone they want. The greater legitimacy they have, the less opposition they have from the very small minority in any country that actually cares about creeping tyranny. In the United States, the excuse given is usually that the person is a terrorist or conspiracy to commit some crime. It is important to note that not everybody accused of a crime is actually guilty of anything. That is why there are supposed to be speedy trials, so that a persons life is not destroyed fighting false charges. Nobody seems to care as long as the person is not a United States citizen. Creeping Tyranny. The most dangerous tyranny creeps, it doesn't run, again because there is always less opposition. The reason there is less opposition is that few recognize creeping tyranny as dangerous. They are too busy looking for the next Hitler, Stalin, Mao, people that are obviously tyrants. They have intellectual arguments about slippery slopes, not realizing that we are already on the slippery slope, and have been for quite awhile.
Jose Padilla was a United States citizen. Born in Brooklyn New York.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Padilla_(alleged_terrorist)#Timeline
He was held for three and a half years before he was even officially charged with a crime. He was never charged with the claim that was originally made about him in public. He was convicted on a conspiracy charge. We have been on the slippery slope for quite awhile. More Creeping Tyranny.
In Keene New Hampshire, a man is in jail initially for attempting to videotape a court proceeding but was not able to get past court security and into the courtroom, and was arrested for videotaping in the lobby just prior to the arrest. He has since been held indefinitely by judge Edward Burke's order for contempt due to his refusal to state his name. His name is Sam Dodson, and his birth name is Sam Miller. Both names are the worst kept secret in town. The government has stated that they know who he is, but are trying to require him to say it himself. If this was about justice, he would have had his trial for the initial charges and would have been given his sentence, or released. But this isn't about justice, it is about power, and Sam will not give it to them. The excuse here is that Sam will not cooperate, so he must be jailed indefinitely, till the judge feels like releasing him. It is possible the judge is being less than honest, and will release Sam within the week. It is also possible for the judge to hold Sam till sometime next year.
Sam is a peaceful passive resister. He went limp upon the arrest, putting the arrestors in the position of having to carry him if they wanted to continue with the arrest.
The judge is not elected, and even if he was, since most vote according to political party affinity, it is incredibly difficult to vote out incumbents. Attempts have been made by associates of Sam to secure his release or progress in his legal status through the higher courts to no avail as of yet. Further more, courts have traditionally upheld the 'right' of a judge to indefinitely hold a person for 'reasonable' amounts of time.
I know of no effective means to challenge this power to indefinitely imprison someone. Power is rarely given up by those in privilege voluntarily, without being challenged. I am a believer in the potential of assertive peaceful civil disobedience to compel change by direct challenge. It is for this reason I have chosen to submit myself to this awful power of indefinite imprisonment. It is my intention to increase the costs of enforcement, since it seems that the courts have so much money that they can waste time with a non-crime where there is clearly no victim rather than going after actually hurtful people, people who are real criminals. At any time the courts are welcome to release me and Sam thus reducing the added expense both monetarily and in manpower.
No Victim, No Crime
Practical issues,-
first, I need a place to store my personal belongings, nothing bulky, except my bike which can be chained up outside, but maybe a dozen or two boxes once I pack it all up. I will pay for space so long as my money reserves last. I also have 4 large planters that need sunlight, if I am to have any kind of a garden. Nothing illegal, just a normal fruit and veggie garden in pots. I will not expect any weeding or watering to be done. As long as it rains from time to time.
I am giving up my room rental. I will be available then, great home owner, 110 a week. Not sympathetic to libertarian issues, but not nosy either. He has cats and a dog. No smoking. He has a few written terms he asks you to agree to, but it is not a lease, though he would like two weeks notice that you are leaving which I just did.
any help would be appreciated.
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WTF did that guy just say he is planning on moving to jail?
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WTF did that guy just say he is planning on moving to jail?
That is how you become a hero in Keene.
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http://freekeene.com/2009/06/04/trial-scheduled-for-sam-615-130pm-et/
Trial Scheduled for Sam: 6/15, 1:30pm ET
BIG NEWS:
Mark your calendar. A trial has been scheduled for Sam on 6/15 at 1:30pm in Keene District Court. (2nd Floor, 3 Washington St., Keene, NH 03431)
Word is Ivy sent notice to the city manager and council as well as some other bureaucrats to let them know they will be held liable under some federal code about deprivation of rights (USC 1983) for every day they have been complicit in holding Sam. A couple of days later, a trial has been magically scheduled.
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WTF did that guy just say he is planning on moving to jail?
That is how you become a hero in Keene.
Ha.
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http://freekeene.com/2009/06/04/trial-scheduled-for-sam-615-130pm-et/
Trial Scheduled for Sam: 6/15, 1:30pm ET
BIG NEWS:
Mark your calendar. A trial has been scheduled for Sam on 6/15 at 1:30pm in Keene District Court. (2nd Floor, 3 Washington St., Keene, NH 03431)
Word is Ivy sent notice to the city manager and council as well as some other bureaucrats to let them know they will be held liable under some federal code about deprivation of rights (USC 1983) for every day they have been complicit in holding Sam. A couple of days later, a trial has been magically scheduled.
Rowdy!
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HAHA, Mike Lorrey has his own ED page:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Mike_Lorrey
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Ivy Arrested.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267
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Ivy Arrested.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267
Welfare fraud?
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Ivy Arrested.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267
Welfare fraud?
I don't know enough about her past to comment. I know she was on welfare for a while. That's about the extent of my knowledge.
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LOL. More evidence that all the IN YOUR FACE people up there are running from something.
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Felony, no more guns for her.
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Felony, no more guns for her.
Uh oh... That sucks balls to say the least.
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I think this just speaks about the type of woman Ivy actually is. She is a worthless white trash skank who has been nothing but a headache to everyone around her.
So I guess this means she's not coming to Porcfest.
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I'm really wanting to say something cool now, but I'm worried about my FSP image. Oh well.
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I think this just speaks about the type of woman Ivy actually is. She is a worthless white trash skank who has been nothing but a headache to everyone around her.
So I guess this means she's not coming to Porcfest.
Uh oh, watch yer karma.
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Have any of you people who are criticizing Jesse for carrying the MAC on a string ever seen him with a MAC? Do you have any reliable source that says he did? I think many of you want to condemn him for something you know to be true based on nothing more than everybody knows it to be true, so it is true.
He certainly needs some training in proper handling if he still has the same problems that lead him to drop a gun a while back, but be careful about why you attack people.
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Talking trash about people is generally bad.
But people who are unsafe with guns are KEEP THE FUXK AWAY FROM ME YOU MORAN!
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Talking trash about people is generally bad.
But people who are unsafe with guns are KEEP THE FUXK AWAY FROM ME YOU MORAN!
Fine, you are the one that claimed to see him drop a handgun in the state house, right? I assume you know more about how safe his handling is than I do, but all this MAC on a shoestring talk is pretty meaningless as far as I can tell. I agree with the reasons not to go around with a MAC on a shoe string. I also have not seen any substantial evidence of anyone doing so. Jesse said he didn't even own a MAC at the time of the incident that put him at odds with the Kannings. I don't know enough of the details to say whether he did anything wrong in that case, but I hope he didn't. If he used poor judgment, I hope he has learned a bit of wisdom from all this.
I'm not much of an open carry person, but I can see its usefulness as making a statement, but not much else in almost all cases.
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I was in a situation once where a man came at me with a knife while I was near my parked car. He was chasing me with the knife, and I was running around my car. This was at a time when my driver's side door was having issues opening. I had a gun in my car that I was trying to get in and get. But I was unable to get to it. Ultimately I convinced the guy to leave me alone and he left. This was in Gary, Indiana, not New Hampshire.
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I was in a situation once where a man came at me with a knife while I was near my parked car. He was chasing me with the knife, and I was running around my car. This was at a time when my driver's side door was having issues opening. I had a gun in my car that I was trying to get in and get. But I was unable to get to it. Ultimately I convinced the guy to leave me alone and he left. This was in Gary, Indiana, not New Hampshire.
Your problem is that you were in Gary :P
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Have any of you people who are criticizing Jesse for carrying the MAC on a string ever seen him with a MAC? Do you have any reliable source that says he did?
I was at Social Sunday. Jesse says to me "Hey, wanna buy a gun?" Then he spins a quarter spin as the Mac dangling from his shoulder swings forward.
So yes, I saw it.
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Liberty Dollar folks were arrested by the thugsters recently also...
of course, it's only going to get much worse as Amerika twists and jerks in the noose...
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OMG
Ivy sure has a spicy life.
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LOL. More evidence that all the IN YOUR FACE people up there are running from something.
Especially when they change their name once they get to NH.
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LOL. More evidence that all the IN YOUR FACE people up there are running from something.
Especially when they change their name once they get to NH.
She went by Ivy while still in RI. according to: http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=10057.0
Do you blame someone for trying to get away from that past?
Bad choices or bad luck? I don't know. But Ivy doesn't deserve this.
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I think the problem with so many people is that they play both sides of the fence...
when it benefits them they grovel before the state and ask the state to loot someone else so that they can "get" their "share" of the loot and booty...
when it benefits them they are complacent and/or approving and/or participatory with the bureaucrats and jackboots and mercenaries...
they loot for welfare, they loot for unemployment, they loot for disability, they loot for social security, etc....
then they wonder why they themselves are looted?
ugh...
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LOL. More evidence that all the IN YOUR FACE people up there are running from something.
Especially when they change their name once they get to NH.
She went by Ivy while still in RI. according to: http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=10057.0
She didn't go by Ivy Walker.
Do you blame someone for trying to get away from that past?
I don't blame them....but it can't be done. You can't change the past.
But Ivy doesn't deserve this.
When it comes to the government, it doesn't matter what you deserve. The biggest reason I don't want any government "benefits" is because of all the strings attached. Sometimes they use those strings to hang you.
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WTF did that guy just say he is planning on moving to jail?
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1039.msg9991#msg9991
Canceled, Sam finally has trial date.
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OMG
Ivy sure has a spicy life.
I wonder what this means for her restaurant... Bill is going to have his hands full, that is, if they're doing good business in regards to patrons.
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She didn't go by Ivy Walker.
And she wasn't married to Bill Walker then, either.
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She didn't go by Ivy Walker.
And she wasn't married to Bill Walker then, either.
Common law married?
What was Ivy's last name before she "married" Bill?
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OMG
Ivy sure has a spicy life.
I wonder what this means for her restaurant... Bill is going to have his hands full, that is, if they're are doing good business in regards to patrons.
She's spent significant time away from it while working on Sam's case anyway. Bill seems to be doing a good job.
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Common law married?
What was Ivy's last name before she "married" Bill?
"Married" because they choose to call it that.
Her name was in an above link I gave you: "My name is Sharon Ankrom, but most folks call me Ivy."
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OMG
Ivy sure has a spicy life.
I wonder what this means for her restaurant... Bill is going to have his hands full, that is, if they're are doing good business in regards to patrons.
She's spent significant time away from it while working on Sam's case anyway. Bill seems to be doing a good job.
Are they turning a profit yet?
http://www.ivysspiceoflife.com/menu/
Kid’s Menu
Monster Guts
Baked Stuffed Zucchini over flowing with cheesey filling.
Snakes and Worms in the Yard
Pan Seared Hot Dogs with Macaroni and Cheese and a veggie side.
Toenail Clippings
Fresh tortillas with diced tomatoes, olives, jalapeños, and shredded cheese.
Cow Patties in the Pasture
Grilled Hamburger with tortillas and a veggie side.
Stuffed Dragon Scale by the Field
A Beef Taco with lettuce, diced tomatoes, and shredded cheese and a veggie side.
all items $4.99
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Some of the entrees sound decent, I'll have to take a stroll up that way sometime.
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http://www.ivysspiceoflife.com/specials/
Wednesday
Public Service Personnel Night — PD, FD, and EMTs bring in your badge, or town office personnel bring in your business card, and get 15% off.
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http://www.nhclog.org/node/6
Ivy’s felony charges from R.I.: arraignment
Fri, 2009-06-05 09:00 — jraxis
Ivy was arrested on 2009-06-04 in New Hampton when she was stopped at a speed trap and they discovered she has a warrant out for her in Rhode Island, for felony charges alleging some sort of embezzlement when she was on welfare there.
Ivy was arraigned in Laconia District Court on 2009-06-05. Bill Walker, Bill D., and I showed up shortly before 09:00, when the arraignment was supposed to happen; the court security officer at the door first told us no cases had been scheduled today, but then remembered there was one person who was supposed to be arraigned.
As usual, they were confused over the procedures to video in court—the bailiff at the door claimed that only WMUR was allowed to video, and held onto the camera until I got permission from the court to bring it in.
It took them almost an hour to get the arraignment underway. First, they had to go “looking for a judge” because court wasn’t normally in session on Fridays. While this was going on, Bill W. went to file the appearance form as her legal counsel while I dealt with the video motion form. We then went and waited in the hallway, while the courtroom slowly filled up with bureaucrats.
A bailiff came out and told me the judge had approved the video motion, so I could go in and set up the camera—on the witness stand, facing the defense table only. Apparently the prosecutor and judge didn’t want to appear on camera. [I haven’t reviewed the video yet, but this setup was probably actually a good thing: In Manchester, seated in the gallery, the audio is almost unintelligible. Being pointed at the defendant should make the sound a lot clearer.]
A total of fifteen bureaucrats had assembled in the courtroom: The judge, the court clerk, the prosecutor, a New Hampton police officer, three bailiffs, four sheriffs, and the county attorney with three interns, assistants, or similar. Security was incredibly beefed up; they had the front row of the gallery cordoned off so none of us could sit within reaching distance of the defense table, and the entire roomful of bailiffs jumped at every move Bill W. made.
They denied Bill’s motion to appear as Ivy’s legal counsel, because the form wasn’t notarized, and because Ivy hadn’t granted him power of attorney. The fact that it had been impossible for her to do so, being incarcerated, and the fact that they wouldn’t let him speak to her in order to have her do so, didn’t matter. Typical bureaucracy.
They brought Ivy in handcuffed and shackled, and the clerk read off the charges: Two counts of violating RSA 262:16, “Counterfeit, Unauthorized or Forged Stickers, or Decals or Facsimile; Altered or Modified Temporary Motor Vehicle Registration Plates,” violation of RSA 261:178, “Suspension of Registration of Vehicle,” and violation of RSA 612:3, the statutes covering extradition. The complete charge was described as, “after committing a crime in another state, to wit, Rhode Island, for failing to appear in the Providence County Court, for the charge of embezzlement, in violation of the laws of the State of Rhode Island, and is now within the State of New Hampshire, and is liable under the United States Constitution to be delivered on demand of the Governor of Rhode Island and to be removed to the said state.”
Ivy said virtually nothing during the trial. They offered her a court-appointed attorney, to which she explained if she had access to a law library, she could represent herself pro se. They still wanted to appoint her stand-by counsel, and gave her a week to decide how she wanted to proceed.
The judge explained that because the charge was a felony, she could not enter a plea on Ivy’s behalf; also, oddly, she didn’t even ask for pleas, nor enter ones on her behalf, on all of the misdemeanor motor vehicle charges. Ivy was given personal recognizance bail on the latter charges, but the judge said she could not grant any sort of bail on the felony fugitive from justice charge, so after the arraignment was over, they took Ivy back into custody.
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And Ivy's restaurant is being searched per recent porc411
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Roof caved in.
Who's next? Step right up. Buy a ticket, win a prize. C'mon, pal. Win a prize for yer gal. Whats a matter, can't throw a ball, don't got a buck? First one's on the house. C'mon, sport, got a rubber arm? Everybody wins.
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who let the dogs in...
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who let the dogs in...
I imagine they let themselves in.
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http://www.nhclog.org/node/6
Ivy’s felony charges from R.I.: arraignment
Fri, 2009-06-05 09:00 — jraxis
Ivy was arrested on 2009-06-04 in New Hampton when she was stopped at a speed trap and they discovered she has a warrant out for her in Rhode Island, for felony charges alleging some sort of embezzlement when she was on welfare there.
Ivy was arraigned in Laconia District Court on 2009-06-05. Bill Walker, Bill D., and I showed up shortly before 09:00, when the arraignment was supposed to happen; the court security officer at the door first told us no cases had been scheduled today, but then remembered there was one person who was supposed to be arraigned.
As usual, they were confused over the procedures to video in court—the bailiff at the door claimed that only WMUR was allowed to video, and held onto the camera until I got permission from the court to bring it in.
A bailiff came out and told me the judge had approved the video motion, so I could go in and set up the camera—on the witness stand, facing the defense table only. Apparently the prosecutor and judge didn’t want to appear on camera. [I haven’t reviewed the video yet, but this setup was probably actually a good thing: In Manchester, seated in the gallery, the audio is almost unintelligible. Being pointed at the defendant should make the sound a lot clearer.]
A total of fifteen bureaucrats had assembled in the courtroom: The judge, the court clerk, the prosecutor, a New Hampton police officer, three bailiffs, four sheriffs, and the county attorney with three interns, assistants, or similar. Security was incredibly beefed up; they had the front row of the gallery cordoned off so none of us could sit within reaching distance of the defense table, and the entire roomful of bailiffs jumped at every move Bill W. made.
They denied Bill’s motion to appear as Ivy’s legal counsel, because the form wasn’t notarized, and because Ivy hadn’t granted him power of attorney. The fact that it had been impossible for her to do so, being incarcerated, and the fact that they wouldn’t let him speak to her in order to have her do so, didn’t matter. Typical bureaucracy.
They brought Ivy in handcuffed and shackled, and the clerk read off the charges: Two counts of violating RSA 262:16, “Counterfeit, Unauthorized or Forged Stickers, or Decals or Facsimile; Altered or Modified Temporary Motor Vehicle Registration Plates,” violation of RSA 261:178, “Suspension of Registration of Vehicle,” and violation of RSA 612:3, the statutes covering extradition. The complete charge was described as, “after committing a crime in another state, to wit, Rhode Island, for failing to appear in the Providence County Court, for the charge of embezzlement, in violation of the laws of the State of Rhode Island, and is now within the State of New Hampshire, and is liable under the United States Constitution to be delivered on demand of the Governor of Rhode Island and to be removed to the said state.”
Ivy said virtually nothing during the trial. They offered her a court-appointed attorney, to which she explained if she had access to a law library, she could represent herself pro se. They still wanted to appoint her stand-by counsel, and gave her a week to decide how she wanted to proceed.
FSP activism at its best!
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Ivy is a hero.
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They took Ivy's computer. I wonder who served the warrant. NH state police?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267.msg299320#msg299320
BrownHairedGirl:
Odd. I wonder what connection Ivy's computer could have to receiving welfare in RI.
Probably that they are looking for the (nonexistent?) books of her former landscaping (? or whatever other self employment?) business that she closed before the mess that caused her to leave RI. Somewhere there's a bureaucrat who just can't believe there really are no records and they will turn everyone else's lives upside down to get what they assume she must be lying about, even if it turns out there's really no income related to it thus it didn't need to be on a tax form which therefore didn't need to be filed... golly isn't it just so incredible that someone would decline to file if they are so low income as to be below the limit?
They're most likely hoping to find digital records of vast amounts of income to bolster a tax evasion case.
Probably not so much tax evasion as that one of the charges was welfare fraud. But they probably do hope to also sniff out some tax related stuff now that they have an excuse to snoop around based on this. Or someone may be ignoring the fact that the restaurant did not exist - and certainly is outside RI's jurisdiction even if it did - during her welfare days thus its income is not relevant to that case.
This is also an example of why we all need to be sure and keep backups of some stuff (like Bill's lost phone number lists) separate from the computer itself to prevent losses like this. Bummer Bill couldn't have said it was HIS computer rather than hers thus it was not the one described in the warrant and they shouldn't have taken it...
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267.msg299284#msg299284
J’raxis 270145
Ivy recently told me that the State has offered her some sort of social assistance for her kids here—which she turned down for exactly the reasons I cited above.
I wonder how the state made that offer. She lives in Grafton, right?
Anyone know if Ivy sends here kid to public school?
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Ivy is a hero.
They fell right into her elaborate trap!
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I can hear the jackboots laughing out loud from here.
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I wonder if Ivy thought NH wouldn't pick her up for an RI warrant.
It also seems strange to me that NH would be executing a search warrant on Ivy's current bussiness over the RI charges. I wonder if the feds are involved in some kind of tax evasion charges.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18258.0
Kat and Dave Waylaid & Robbed of Free Press Van
Ian:
by armed, uniformed, gangster in Grafton:
http://qik.com/video/1801809
http://qik.com/video/1801833
http://qik.com/video/1801911
http://qik.com/video/1802032
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http://courtconnect.courts.ri.gov/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=P2-2009-1087A&begin_date=&end_date=
Case ID: P2-2009-1087A - SHARON ANKROM
Court : (SC) SUPERIOR COURT Location : (P) PROVIDENCE COUNTY
Filing Date: Friday , February 20th, 2009
Type: F - FELONY
Status: none
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Ivy is prego?
Bill is going nuts.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10156#msg10156
First they stole my wife, carrying my unborn child.
Then they stole my truck.
Then they stole my money.
Then they stole my property.
One among you has stooped so low as to steal even more from me.
You shame yourself and everything you touch.
You have caused me irreparable harm.
You pissed on me in Hell.
Leave.
The town. The project. The state.
Keene, you have the lowest type of filth among you.
Simply turn to your left, then your right, and ask your neighbor if it's them, and if so to just leave.
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They took Ivy's computer. I wonder who served the warrant. NH state police?
They also took a printer. Probably think she made the fake temp tags / inspection stickers with it.
Sharon Lee "Ivy" Ankrom (Walker)
http://jailedactivist.info/activists/ivy-walker/
(http://jailedactivist.info/uploads/activists/ivy-walker/ivy_walker_bust.jpg)
* two counts of violating RSA 262:16 : Antitheft Laws, Offenses, Penalties, Habitual Offenders, Arrest of Nonresidents and Abandoned Vehicles > Counterfeit, Unauthorized or Forged Stickers, or Decals or Facsimile; Altered or Modified Temporary Motor Vehicle Registration Plates
* violation of RSA 261:178 : Certificates of Title and Registration of Vehicles > Suspension of Registration of Vehicle
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Wooooo, what a looker.
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Bill is going nuts.
Maybe a famous FSP bar owner was getting tired of the competition.
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Boner. That picture doesn't do her justice. She is a lot uglier in person.
about Ivy being pregnant. Ivy is a whore. Who knows who the father is. If Bill was smart he'd get a paternity test.
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The Free Staters really need a "bad egg" registry.
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Of course. They will spend hours arguing about it and it will all come down to who the fanatics label as not being 'pure' enough and are closet statists.
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Of course. They will spend hours arguing about it and it will all come down to who the fanatics label as not being 'pure' enough and are closet statists.
Oh stop. In the more populated FreeStater areas, we don't have that problem, period. Come see for yourself. Oh, and I completely choked on my cigarette when I read what blackie posted via Walker's latest comments about the Keene folk. :shock:
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Some of the entrees sound decent, I'll have to take a stroll up that way sometime.
It does sound quite good (and excellent prices) except for the nasty names.
Worms? Toe-nail clippings?? Unless you are into freaky shit, that could easily help a customer (aka me) lose a bit of my appetite.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10173#msg10173
Mr. Walker:
Browbeat me as much as you want - I can ask for a written affidavit attesting to irrefutable first hand knowledge of this person's actions.
I can have it notarized if you're picky.
I can have the individual who correctly named the scumbag and confronted them verify the accuracy of the affidavit.
That person has a high standard and would not lightly attest to such a thing.
They claim that they found out from others who I can only imagine fear to comment in support of my claims, or otherwise do not want to become involved.
But I don't choose to be wronged and then be saddled with doing the work required as a result of that.
The guilty party is identified, and has been confronted. Bitch and moan all you want - my terms to Sh*tbag are to fully spill your guts to the community and then leave, or just get the hell out. Clearly SEVERAL people know you're guilty - so just have a spine and tell them what you're guilty OF.
Or maybe at some point I can assemble as many people who want to hear it outside of your house - for me to publicly announce it on video.
I know where you live.
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(http://images.southparkstudios.com/crap/downloads/preview_image_thumbnail.php?id=1847)
Rabble rabble rabble!
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Bill's recent posts were way out of line but he has been under a lot of stress lately.
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I'm curious to know who he blames for that swamp sow's arrest.
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Wait, so whats the whole "Ivy is a whore" story?
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Wait, so whats the whole "Ivy is a whore" story?
That is what this thread was first started about. See the first couple pages of this thread.
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Ah. Lovely people.
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Ah. Lovely people.
That was perfect timing :lol:
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*sigh
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*sigh
It was you?
I'm still not sure what you are "guilty" of.
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*sigh
How was that quality time with Ivy?
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AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Did you RAD her USB Port?
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I'm still not sure what you are "guilty" of.
It amazes me that neither party can just come out and say it.
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I'm still not sure what you are "guilty" of.
It amazes me that neither party can just come out and say it.
It.
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I'm still not sure what you are "guilty" of.
It amazes me that neither party can just come out and say it.
It.
Did you get to ride the Ivy-go-round too?
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(http://www.perry.com/disney/tickets/eticket.jpg)
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If you do decide to ride that ride be sure that you bring the proper equipment
(http://www.webstaurantstore.com/57-lb-1-6-brown-paper-grocery-bag-500-bd/57-lb-1-6-brown-paper-grocery-bag-500-bd.jpg)
(http://www.sbarnabas.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/condom-snack.jpg)
(http://www.1-877-spirits.com/store/images/large/Jack-Daniels-Tennessee-Whiskey-lg.jpg.jpg)
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Soap Opera.
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This is honestly the best page on this thread. I haven't laughed this hard in a while, good work folks.
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Coconut fucked Ivy? Ewwww.
Get checked and remember. Penicillin cures gonorrhea.
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Oh, and I'm going to dinner @ Ivy's restaurant tonight. I'll report back later...
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Coconut fucked Ivy? Ewwww.
Get checked and remember. Penicillin cures gonorrhea.
Well. I didn't.
I don't know what he thinks I did.
In addition, Dale foolishly deleted the thread
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Coconut fucked Ivy? Ewwww.
Get checked and remember. Penicillin cures gonorrhea.
In addition, Dale foolishly deleted the thread
That was so very gay of him.
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Oh, and I'm going to dinner @ Ivy's restaurant tonight. I'll report back later...
If you want information I suggest you ask Coc or Ivy. Bill seems to have some 2nd hand knowledge and some of what he posted is wrong (and he hardly posted anything).
BTW, Bill is a good cook but Ivy is the main cook at her restaurant so don't expect the food to be fantastic if she is in jail.
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LOL, I just was reminded Bill was the one who cheated on his wife with Ivy. So if that's what he thinks Coconut did, lol...hypocrites...
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Oh, and I'm going to dinner @ Ivy's restaurant tonight. I'll report back later...
If you want information I suggest you ask Coc or Ivy. Bill seems to have some 2nd hand knowledge and some of what he posted is wrong (and he hardly posted anything).
BTW, Bill is a good cook but Ivy is the main cook at her restaurant so don't expect the food to be fantastic if she is in jail.
I've decided against going tonight as there's no telling what kind of shape Bill is in. I'll just save myself the time, money and gas.
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Someone needs to create a
"ITT: Post if you've fucked Ivy"
If you've fucked Ivy, tell us when, if you used protection, and if you've been tested since. Bonus points for telling us what substances you were abusing
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Someone needs to create a
"ITT: Post if you've fucked Ivy"
If you've fucked Ivy, tell us when, if you used protection, and if you've been tested since. Bonus points for telling us what substances you were abusing
Or, people could keep this stuff to their self.
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Thread's not deleted. Just moved.
my bad.
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Poison Ivy And Coconut Nick Pull A Fast One In Keene, Soundwave's Common Sense!
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10222#msg10222
This may not be a popular thing to say, but I'm going to give my honest opinion on the matter:
I'd like to preface this, Bill, by saying that I have always liked you, and never looked down on you for anything that went on in your personal life. I understand your anger and sadness right now, especially on top of everything else that is going on in your life, but I think you need to take a step back and think about this for a while before reacting.
Allow me to tell a personal story. Before I met Ian, I was with a guy named Brad for four years, and though it was not perfect, we had a pretty awesome relationship. Maybe after two years or so, Brad told me one day that he had cheated on me, and he kept lying about how far it had gone. At the time, I was heartbroken. I can't think of a time when I felt more shitty, and I dwelled on it for a long time, and always held it against him. Fast forward two more years, and even though things were great, for some reason, I really wanted to meet Ian, and I started emailing him behind Brad's back, until we did meet, and I made the hard decision to leave Brad for Ian.
Since that time, my perspective on cheating has totally changed. Now, I don't want to make it sound like I think cheating is good, because that is not the case. I am not proud of what I did, but people make mistakes, and that's important so you can reflect and learn from them. I think cheating is cowardly and dishonest, but since I did it, even though I knew how much it hurt me, I can understand what goes through a person's mind while they are doing it. The chemicals in the brain are very strong, and really, that makes a lot of sense from a biological standpoint. I honestly don't believe that humans were meant to be monogamous, and that the chemicals in our brains encourage us to fuck a bunch of people to help our species survive. There are some practical aspects in our modern day society to monogamy, but that's why I think communication about sex and what's going on in your head is so important in any relationship. I also think that people often confuse sex and love. Sometimes they go together, but not always.
Bill, I'm offering this as friendly advice, because I understand how dangerous it can be to be so angry. Please take a step back, calm down, and really look at this situation. It takes two to tango as they say, so logically any anger that you feel towards Nick, you should equally feel towards Ivy. Also, you should be able to understand where I am coming from on issue of cheating, because you too, have been in a similar position. The only thing I think Nick and Ivy both did wrong was not communicate what was going on with Bill.
I am truely sorry for all the shitty things going on in your life right now, but making it better is all in your hands, and being angry is not the best way to go about it, and not a good way to live your life. To forgive is right on!
Rock On Julia!
enjoy!
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Someone needs to create a
"ITT: Post if you've fucked Ivy"
If you've fucked Ivy, tell us when, if you used protection, and if you've been tested since. Bonus points for telling us what substances you were abusing
Or, people could keep this stuff to their self.
They could, but already they've chosen not to. This is the kind of stuff that usually ends in high school. That being said, it's being aired out publicly, so Why not make an epic thread!
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I have no fucking clue who these people are, nor do I care…but I don’t get why it’s a big deal that she slept with another dude (if that’s even the case).
I thought you guys liked the sluts, it’s funny how quick you guys turn on a girl for the same reasons you want to fuck a girl/find a girl attractive.
Makes no sense to me. :?
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Julia (soundwave) doesn't know what happened either really. Though I appreciate her comments
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with.
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with.
*Scribbling shorter list*
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
Dude, you are going to Porcfest?
Sweet. After all of your trolling on this BBS I thought you were a troll :shock:
Jason said you were a cool dude. I guess he was right and I owe both of you an apology.
I'm sorry for thinking you were I troll. I was wrong.
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
Dude, you are going to Porcfest?
Sweet. After all of your trolling on this BBS I thought you were a troll :shock:
Jason said you were a cool dude. I guess he was right and I owe both of you an apology.
I'm sorry for thinking you were I troll. I was wrong.
The fuck, man?
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
Dude, you are going to Porcfest?
Sweet. After all of your trolling on this BBS I thought you were a troll :shock:
Jason said you were a cool dude. I guess he was right and I owe both of you an apology.
I'm sorry for thinking you were I troll. I was wrong.
The fuck, man?
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Brasky and John are two internet people I'd like to hang with at PF, preferably over shots, and whatever else is passing along
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Brasky and John are two internet people I'd like to hang with at PF, preferably over shots, and whatever else is passing along
Just keep in mind that I'm exactly the same person IRL as I am online. Only maybe fatter.
Bonerjoe and Jason will attest to this.
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Just keep in mind that I'm exactly the same person IRL as I am online.
It's your old favorite John Shaw, now with 50% more anarchy!
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I thought you guys liked the sluts, it’s funny how quick you guys turn on a girl for the same reasons you want to fuck a girl/find a girl attractive.
I don't care what people do, but I care what I do, and I care who I do it with. I can't say I wouldn't hook up with a chick who was 'taken', but it would be extremely out of character for me.
Generally speaking, it turns me off. Makes me a little sick. Do not want. But if I really connected, she was a firecracker, and totally trying to untangle herself from a shitty thing she was unhappy in, I could see that. I consider those girls 'in limbo'. Not single... yet.
But if she goes back and forth, fuckin' around on her guy, using him as a stooge who she lives with who pays the bills (or part of 'em), while he sits home thinking she's out "with her friend - honest! Call her!" but she's really getting her sludge-pot hammered by the cock-'o-the-week, then she's a fuckin' pig.
And I think most guys feel sort of the same way.
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
Dude, you are going to Porcfest?
Sweet. After all of your trolling on this BBS I thought you were a troll :shock:
Jason said you were a cool dude. I guess he was right and I owe both of you an apology.
I'm sorry for thinking you were I troll. I was wrong.
The fuck, man?
You thought that too...weird?
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Brasky and John are two internet people I'd like to hang with at PF, preferably over shots, and whatever else is passing along
Def.
It'll be a few years before I go.
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You thought that too...weird?
No, you think all sorts of crazy shit.
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
The General is back in action!
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I have no fucking clue who these people are, nor do I care…but I don’t get why it’s a big deal that she slept with another dude (if that’s even the case).
Big pile o' this.
Yes being dishonest is a shitty thing to do, but its by no means the end of the world. All people who are "cheating" are doing is doing what they want with other willing participants.
Now its way better for everyone involved if people are just honest about what they want, what they're doing and how they feel, but basic practical reality is most people are too pussy to be that honest.
the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. If a husband tells his wife she looks good when he doesn't believe that to be the case, is that as bad as lying about an affair he's having?
You could justify either case as not telling the truth to spare the wife's feelings.
I don't know the particulars of this case, but it doesn't sound like everyone needs to ostracize Ivy like she's some sort of child killer. The only people who should give a shit are people who actually have a relationship with those involved.
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the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. I
LOL. STD's are not real.
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the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. I
LOL. STD's are not real.
Yeah cause you can't use condoms AND have sex with multiple people.
Handshaking is one of the most common ways diseases are transmitted, does that mean handshaking with strangers is just as bad as fucking strangers? Is it some insult to your partner if you don't leave the house wearing rubber gloves?
Its no coincidence there are so many religions and cultures that enforce the idea that women have to be monogamous, or are even owned by men, its because humans are evolved to bug out when it comes to sharing sexual mates.
Its perfectly natural, but it doesn't stop it from being irrational.
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59 was an awesome page on which to have started reading this thread. I chuckled at "sludge pot".
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59 was an awesome page on which to have started reading this thread. I chuckled at "sludge pot".
I LOLed at
It's your old favorite John Shaw, now with 50% more anarchy!
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the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. I
LOL. STD's are not real.
Yeah cause you can't use condoms AND have sex with multiple people.
Its perfectly natural, but it doesn't stop it from being irrational.
Condoms are perfect and never break.
It's only irrational if you really don't care whose kids you're raising.
Besides you know it's taboo you know you're going to hurt the other person and you do it anyway, that says you don't give a shit about them.
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with.
*Scribbling shorter list*
Sup.
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with.
*Scribbling shorter list*
Sup.
How you doin?
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with.
*Scribbling shorter list*
Sup.
How you doin?
Yes.
See you at PorcFest, man.
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*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with.
*Scribbling shorter list*
Sup.
How you doin?
Yes.
See you at PorcFest, man.
fuck yeh, don't put no mary down my throat plz. I must, not, smoke.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10317#msg10317
Bill:
Nick "Coconut" Ryder
"He’s a Christian involved with his local church that understands ... doing what is moral..."
Like taking advantage of a pregnant woman's hormones while she's away from her husband for weeks on end.
Bill,
Can I help you with something? Seriously, I'm not sure what this message means. I am keeping you and your family in prayers, but I feel at a loss of how to help.
Exactly what prayers are those? Or were you "Preying" while she worked on your court case?
I was hoping to get more sleep tonight than I did last night...
Me too.
Works wonders when I'm working on Sam's case, my wife's case, waiting, cooking, preparing multiple orders, bussing, cleaning, raising a 3-year old, and desperately try to rescue the life-savings that I invested in her business so that I don't wind up broke and homeless. Then I get to juggle a child while I abandon my only source of income to find a ride to get all the paperwork notarized and filed in a timely manner.
But I guess knifing me in the back when I was at what I thought my lowest was doesn't "cripple activism" as much as calling you out to admit your guilt and take responsibility for your own actions.
[Ian] "...though if someone broke an agreement, it sounds like it might have been Ivy."
Like there needs to be an agreement to not target someone's pregnant wife?
Do I need agreements with everyone to not steal my property?
Do I need agreements with everyone to not violate my Rights?
Do I need agreements with everyone to do things that are just obviously wrong?
I suppose Nick wouldn't violate any "agreement" if the person he exploited was drunk, drugged, or otherwise compromised. It probably wouldn't even qualify as aggression force or fraud.
I didn't think I needed an agreement with anyone, especially other liberty activists to be decent, respectable, or honorable. I suppose you think that everyone other than the bride and groom at a wedding should take vows not to disrespect the marriage boundaries otherwise anything goes. "Well I didn't agree to anything..."
[Julia]
"I think cheating is cowardly and dishonest..."
"It takes two to tango as they say, so logically any anger that you feel towards Nick, you should equally feel towards Ivy."
Yeah, and that really helps me focus on saving her from the corrupt Welfare state's trumped up felony charges.
"Also, you should be able to understand where I am coming from on issue of cheating, because you too, have been in a similar position. The only thing I think Nick and Ivy both did wrong was not communicate what was going on with Bill. "
Trespassing across set boundaries is wrong whether you call someone on the phone to tell them you're going to do it or not. "Hi, Bob? I'm going to go break into your house while you're out at work." Right. That's why people have doors, locks, build walls, fences, or proclaim marriage. And yes, I did what I did and then I had the spine to confront her face to face about it, and then gave everything I had to make my new relationship and marriage marriage work.
[Dale] Arbitrate WHAT? A fait accompli? Opinions can be private. Reputations are de facto public.
Yeah. "Protector of the Innocent" my ass.
What's your hobby? Clubbing baby seals? Driving people to suicide?
GREAT guy. You'd fit right in at City Council.
Or do you plan on switching careers and working at the women's prison.
You wouldn't even need to acquire any redeeming qualities to get a date.
Scumbag.
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the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. I
LOL. STD's are not real.
Yeah cause you can't use condoms AND have sex with multiple people.
Its perfectly natural, but it doesn't stop it from being irrational.
Condoms are perfect and never break.
It's only irrational if you really don't care whose kids you're raising.
Besides you know it's taboo you know you're going to hurt the other person and you do it anyway, that says you don't give a shit about them.
Well we're talking about two different things here.
Cheating, i.e. sexual dishonesty, I believe is fucked up, BUT no more so than any other form of dishonesty. Which I object in this case of Ivy fucking around with someone. Now I don't know the specifics, so maybe the manner in which she did things was especially fucked up, but I think when most people are high horsing about how terrible it is to cheat on people, they're mainly thinking about how they would feel if it happened to them.
On the separate point of promiscuity in general, there is absolutely no rational argument for why monogamy is any better. Condoms are 99.9% effective, so the pregnancy and STI argument is bunkum, especially when if you're really paranoid you can get tested for disease, you can get a vasectomy, you can do all sorts of things.
Being a blood donor can be equally dangerous if you knowingly give blood carrying a disease you know won't get picked up on screening, but no one here bitches about irresponsible blood donors are. How many people here who have given blood got a full health check before doing it?
The way everyone seems to brings up STI's and unwanted pregnancy when mentioning sexual polyamory belies a lot of the unfounded cultural stigma there is around having sex with multiple partners.
The only argument that actually holds water is that we're biologically evolved to be upset about sexually promiscuous partners, which is fair enough, I don't expect people to be able to undo millions of years of evolution in one lifetime.
All's I'm saying is people should be more rational when it comes to dealing sexual dishonesty, and try to separate the biological imperative to be upset with sexual promiscuity from the actual seriousness of the situation.
Yeah its a bit shitty, but it is far from the end of the world.
And we're talking about peoples desires here. I very much doubt many people who engage in "cheating" do it with the intention for anyone to be hurt by it, hence why so many people are dishonest about it. Compared to all the other fucked up shit people do, the lying, passive aggressive bullshit, borrowing money and never paying it back, what you do with your sexual organs should be low on the list.
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Wait, so...why do people like this guy again? Getting pissed at someone for doing something less bad than what he did in the past, being all public about it, being an ass to people trying to be nice to him, and claiming that pregnant women can't be held responsible for their actions? Yeah, I'm just some dumbass on the internet, but...hmm.
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I just try to feel sorry for people who are in rough shape. But the bottom line is, Ivy likes dick. You don't even have to say plz.
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And why would one say please? I mean, are there really that few women in the FSP, or are men really just happy to fuck anything with a hole the right size? Good god, the people who make paper bags must be loving this.
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I just try to feel sorry for people who are in rough shape. But the bottom line is, Ivy likes dick. You don't even have to say plz.
to be fair, she likes the other stuph too...
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Back to the latest with Bill... He's trying to bust Coco's balls for touching and tasting but his own wife is much older and clearly led the charge here. Coco, likely, was just along for the ride. I just thought about it, Coco got down with a preggo... I've never had the privilege
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What I think is funny is that the skankholio gets a pass.
She's damned good to be able to pull that off.
So, I think what we have here is what they used to call "The Classic"
Man cheats on wife with Woman X.
Man leaves wife for Woman X, a person that he KNOWS will involve herself in cheating.
Woman X cheats on man, but defends herself with "But I'M PREGNANT!"
Man is surprised, upset, and angry, BUT DOESN'T BLAME Woman X, or HIMSELF, for that matter, for being a sucker who probably gave up something better with someone better for what he has now by being a cheater himself.
LOL hormones. LOL delicate condition. LOL free will disappears under certain circumstances.
Protip- Cheaters fucking cheat, and you aren't the special one who can "change" them.
If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you.
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Once a cheater always a cheater?
You reading this shit off the philosophy school of beer mats or something?
Everyone is capable of anything, some people steal once in their entire life, some people cheat once in their entire life, some people are habitual thieves, some people are habitual cheaters. people are more complex than satisfyingly succinct sayings.
Although I appreciate the irony of the guy who cheated with a woman in turn being cheated on by the woman.
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What I think is funny is that the skankholio gets a pass.
She's damned good to be able to pull that off.
So, I think what we have here is what they used to call "The Classic"
Man cheats on wife with Woman X.
Man leaves wife for Woman X, a person that he KNOWS will involve herself in cheating.
Woman X cheats on man, but defends herself with "But I'M PREGNANT!"
Man is surprised, upset, and angry, BUT DOESN'T BLAME Woman X, or HIMSELF, for that matter, for being a sucker who probably gave up something better with someone better for what he has now by being a cheater himself.
LOL hormones. LOL delicate condition. LOL free will disappears under certain circumstances.
Protip- Cheaters fucking cheat, and you aren't the special one who can "change" them.
If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you.
sanity speaks...
chime...
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Once a cheater always a cheater?
You reading this shit off the philosophy school of beer mats or something?
You obviously didn't read the whole post.
What I said was - DON'T ACT ALL OFFENDED AND SURPRISED WHEN THE PERSON WHO CHEATS WITH YOU CHEATS ON YOU.
And yes, most cheaters are repeat fucking offenders, so go fuck yourself.
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Once a cheater always a cheater?
You reading this shit off the philosophy school of beer mats or something?
You obviously didn't read the whole post.
What I said was - DON'T ACT ALL OFFENDED AND SURPRISED WHEN THE PERSON WHO CHEATS WITH YOU CHEATS ON YOU.
And yes, most cheaters are repeat fucking offenders, so go fuck yourself.
"If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you."
sounds pretty definitive to me. assuming they'll is short for they will.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10327#msg10327
Ian:
I understand it is easy to be angry at Nick (instead of Ivy or yourself), but let's look at the situation:
I hear that Nick believed her to be a polygamist. If it's true that he was told this, he wouldn't have been aware he was violating an unspoken agreement.
Ivy is known for being very interested in multiple partners. There are many an activist who have reported her coming on to them, and this includes prior to her pregnancy. (As an aside, you probably didn't know she sent a perfume-laced letter to Sam in jail. Things that make you go, hmm...)
Ivy is a grown woman who knows what she wants and knows how to get it. Nick is a young man with precious little experience in matters like these. From my limited understanding of the situation, it sounds to me like Ivy was the instigator and that she told Nick what he needed to hear to feel a little less guilty about what happened between them. She is as responsible for what happened- it's not fair of you to place the weight all on Nick's shoulders.
Did you believe her days of multiple partners were over and that you were her final conquest, Bill? If so, you need only be angry at yourself for believing that.
Of course, I recommend moving past the anger and into forgiveness. Start by forgiving yourself for lashing out and for believing a leopard will change its spots.
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Once a cheater always a cheater?
You reading this shit off the philosophy school of beer mats or something?
You obviously didn't read the whole post.
What I said was - DON'T ACT ALL OFFENDED AND SURPRISED WHEN THE PERSON WHO CHEATS WITH YOU CHEATS ON YOU.
And yes, most cheaters are repeat fucking offenders, so go fuck yourself.
"If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you."
sounds pretty definitive to me.
Jesus fucking Christ. Read the whole goddamned post, dipshit. You are context dropping.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292)
If I may put in my 2 cents on this nonsense. This is exactly what someone would do who didn't like or agree with your group. They cast doubt and suspicion and it can eventually turn everyone against everyone else. Thats how Governments who are power hungry and don't want to let go of that power work. It's a simple method and they have to do little to no work to win. They pit everyone against everyone else and things get destroyed from the inside out. Just ignore any banter that people would say to cast suspicion on a nameless/faceless person. Cause the suspicion gets cast on your friends and neighbors. Rise up and say, you know what, I'm not going to indulge in this nonsense and then sit here and wonder who among us is a spy/snitch/mole/informant/rat or whatever. Move on and ignore this guy. He obviosly wants to tear this group down in the most known and easiest and effective way.
:lol:
Freestaters....
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Love how you keep editing your posts to soften them after I've responded, Fatcat.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292)
If I may put in my 2 cents on this nonsense. This is exactly what someone would do who didn't like or agree with your group. They cast doubt and suspicion and it can eventually turn everyone against everyone else. Thats how Governments who are power hungry and don't want to let go of that power work. It's a simple method and they have to do little to no work to win. They pit everyone against everyone else and things get destroyed from the inside out. Just ignore any banter that people would say to cast suspicion on a nameless/faceless person. Cause the suspicion gets cast on your friends and neighbors. Rise up and say, you know what, I'm not going to indulge in this nonsense and then sit here and wonder who among us is a spy/snitch/mole/informant/rat or whatever. Move on and ignore this guy. He obviosly wants to tear this group down in the most known and easiest and effective way.
:lol:
Freestaters....
Vagina Provocateur'd
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=818.0
Ivy back in April:
So, I've been getting phone calls and emails asking about Lumpy's somewhat cryptic message here. And today I got the official notice in the mail, so I figured I could mention it at this point. Unless some miracle happens we are going to have to close the restaurant. And there's more.
I've been kinda vague about our financial situation here up til now, but let me explain a bit:
When the opportunity to open up this restaurant came up, we were a bit skeptical but hopeful that we could make it work. We had no money to our name, but I had one person who believed in my coking abilities who was willing to invest the first month's rent, and Bill had a credit card with a high limit. Initially Bill decided to fund this project all on credit to the tune of approximately $17,000K.
We opened on September 12th - the tail end of the busy season. I've mentioned to people lately that "we get about 4 customers a week" - it's been that way since November. In fact, we made more money in the last two weeks of September, than any other month at all. In fact, those two weeks in September were nearly double the next-highest month's income.
As months passed, and we had no customers, Bill decided to dig into his nest egg. His mother had put aside $20K for him to use as a down-payment on a home.
We used it all.
So, huge debt, then drained nest-egg, next step was to stop paying certain invoices that maybe weren't necessary. So first the DirectTV was shut off, then they came and took the dumpster away.
Then we progressively got behind in necessary utilities. Once a necessary utility gets shut off, we will be forced to close our doors with not a penny to our name and no way of earning any of it back.
I've mentioned recently the electric would "probably" be shut of in the next couple weeks? Yeah. I got the disconnect notice today.
Date of Disconnect: April 28th.
my birthday no less....
Cry
On top of that, the place we stay at in Grafton is not our property, and the end of our contract is May 1st.
So we will be broke, in tons of debt, and homeless by May 1st. So that's the story. You heard it straight from the horse's mouth, since I know the rumor mill has other (mis)information...
Maybe Ivy is trying to find a new source of funding since she drained Bill.
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Wow, what a mess...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLIoI0G2PvU
[youtube=425,350]aLIoI0G2PvU[/youtube]
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Love how you keep editing your posts to soften them after I've responded, Fatcat.
I edit the majority of my posts after the fact when I think of more shit to say, its not some conspiracy to make you look like an asshole.
I stand by my point that the kind of common ideas of leopard can't change its spots, once a [blank] always a [blank], are ostensibly illustrative, but fundamentally unhelpful and empty.
I can see that it looks like I'm misrepresenting your point, what you said was more complex and subtle than how i responded, but my intention was to rail against the common sense idea that people don't really change and that a few actions can be used to define an entire person.
I'm not just talking about cheating here, the same kind of belief is common place around criminals, liars, and pretty much any kind of infraction.
I certainly don't write in a way that is endearing to friendly banter, but I don't see why you have to get so hostile with all the name calling shit, although your generally level headed so I guess I'm probably being more of an asshole than I'm aware of.
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blackie, you're the best host ever. you know exactly what to post
I just try to feel sorry for people who are in rough shape. But the bottom line is, Ivy likes dick. You don't even have to say plz.
to be fair, she likes the other stuph too...
Are you suggesting that she's licking cat in jail?
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Love how you keep editing your posts to soften them after I've responded, Fatcat.
I edit the majority of my posts after the fact when I think of more shit to say, its not some conspiracy to make you look like an asshole.
I stand by my point that the kind of common ideas of leopard can't change its spots, once a [blank] always a [blank], are ostensibly illustrative, but fundamentally unhelpful and empty.
I can see that it looks like I'm misrepresenting your point, what you said was more complex and subtle than how i responded, but my intention was to rail against the common sense idea that people don't really change and that a few actions can be used to define an entire person.
I'm not just talking about cheating here, the same kind of belief is common place around criminals, liars, and pretty much any kind of infraction.
I certainly don't write in a way that is endearing to friendly banter, but I don't see why you have to get so hostile with all the name calling shit, although your generally level headed so I guess I'm probably being more of an asshole than I'm aware of.
Dude, you posted a response in less than one minute, referring to the last sentence in my post, without context, and then suggested I was getting my shit from a coaster in a bar.
And on top of that, we weren't talking about someone who cheated ONCE. We are talking about a specific person with a LONG ass history of fucking around.
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What I think is funny is that the skankholio gets a pass.
She's damned good to be able to pull that off.
So, I think what we have here is what they used to call "The Classic"
Man cheats on wife with Woman X.
Man leaves wife for Woman X, a person that he KNOWS will involve herself in cheating.
Woman X cheats on man, but defends herself with "But I'M PREGNANT!"
Man is surprised, upset, and angry, BUT DOESN'T BLAME Woman X, or HIMSELF, for that matter, for being a sucker who probably gave up something better with someone better for what he has now by being a cheater himself.
LOL hormones. LOL delicate condition. LOL free will disappears under certain circumstances.
Protip- Cheaters fucking cheat, and you aren't the special one who can "change" them.
If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you.
It's called beta male syndrome. Other names for it are: Pussywooped, One-i-tis, Cloversimp. It doesn't matter if she cheated. Only a fool would let that happen to him. Especially with someone that has a reputation for doing these sorts of things.
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Condoms are perfect and never break.
Condoms never break my ass!
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LOL STUPID BILL.
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Condoms are perfect and never break.
Condoms never break my ass!
that's because you're not using enough lube for it to go in
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Coconut fucked Ivy? Ewwww.
Get checked and remember. Penicillin cures gonorrhea.
Well. I didn't.
I don't know what he thinks I did.
In addition, Dale foolishly deleted the thread
So, is Coconut lying or are we all just speculating? Or was it something else besides pussy-to-dick contact?
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Condoms are perfect and never break.
Condoms never break my ass!
that's because you're not using enough lube for it to go in
not enough lube, eh? There are many, many reasons why a condom will break, and most of them have nothing to do with there not being enough lube. Off the top of my head, Inferior brand, pinholes, age, bad latex... those are some off the top of my head. I've worked with latex long enough to realize this. If it can happen to a balloon, it can and will happen to a latex condom.
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Anyone else appreciate the irony of a "I just want to be left alone" libertarian community getting heavily involved in other peoples personal shit?
Hell, I don't even live in the same country and I have an opinion on it.
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Anyone else appreciate the irony of a "I just want to be left alone" libertarian community getting heavily involved in other peoples personal shit?
Hell, I don't even live in the same country and I have an opinion on it.
Whether you're a hardcore socialist or anarchist, drama will always be entertaining.
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Anyone else appreciate the irony of a "I just want to be left alone" libertarian community getting heavily involved in other peoples personal shit?
Hell, I don't even live in the same country and I have an opinion on it.
Well, one of the people involved opened up their big old mouth keyboard and spoke up.
Also, the whole social ostracism thing kinda requires that people know what happened.
The fact that the "Victim" was being all coy and shit in the beginning was sorta silly. He should have just did the Pushing Daisies thing and started with "THE FACTS ARE THESE" and rattled off what happened.
Of course, it's gonna be hard for him to generate a lot of sympathy considering the big picture.
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Anyone else appreciate the irony of a "I just want to be left alone" libertarian community getting heavily involved in other peoples personal shit?
Bill wanted to make it a public issue. So I'm gonna enjoy the entertainment while it lasts.
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Anyone else appreciate the irony of a "I just want to be left alone" libertarian community getting heavily involved in other peoples personal shit?
Hell, I don't even live in the same country and I have an opinion on it.
I just came to watch the freakshow.
I'm talking about all of us out here. The peanut gallery.
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Condoms are perfect and never break.
Condoms never break my ass!
that's because you're not using enough lube for it to go in
not enough lube, eh? There are many, many reasons why a condom will break, and most of them have nothing to do with there not being enough lube. Off the top of my head, Inferior brand, pinholes, age, bad latex... those are some off the top of my head. I've worked with latex long enough to realize this. If it can happen to a balloon, it can and will happen to a latex condom.
I was referring to anal sex
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specifically you taking it in the ass and being "broken in," as the colloquiallism is
as in "the condom broke my tight ass in"
see: my mother
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292)
If I may put in my 2 cents on this nonsense. This is exactly what someone would do who didn't like or agree with your group. They cast doubt and suspicion and it can eventually turn everyone against everyone else. Thats how Governments who are power hungry and don't want to let go of that power work. It's a simple method and they have to do little to no work to win. They pit everyone against everyone else and things get destroyed from the inside out. Just ignore any banter that people would say to cast suspicion on a nameless/faceless person. Cause the suspicion gets cast on your friends and neighbors. Rise up and say, you know what, I'm not going to indulge in this nonsense and then sit here and wonder who among us is a spy/snitch/mole/informant/rat or whatever. Move on and ignore this guy. He obviosly wants to tear this group down in the most known and easiest and effective way.
:lol:
Freestaters....
We don't know if that person is a freestater.
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We don't know if that person is a freestater.
Do you speak officially for the Free State Project?
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Coconut fucked Ivy? Ewwww.
Get checked and remember. Penicillin cures gonorrhea.
Well. I didn't.
I don't know what he thinks I did.
In addition, Dale foolishly deleted the thread
So, is Coconut lying or are we all just speculating? Or was it something else besides pussy-to-dick contact?
Has he ever lied? Not that I know. Coc is a very honest person. If he says he didn't have sex, he didn't. All we know for sure is that he spent time with her. Everything else is just people acting silly.
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We don't know if that person is a freestater.
Do you speak officially for the Free State Project?
I speak for myself.
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We don't know if that person is a freestater.
Do you speak officially for the Free State Project?
I speak for myself.
Then stop acting like you are their official disavower.
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Does anyone(besides Bill) admit to having sex with Ivy?
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Until a sex tape pops up.....[How horrifying would that be]
If Nick were smart, he'd deny ever fucking her until some actual physical evidence showed up. Image the shame the poor boy is going through with the rumor that he actually sunk low enough to stick his penis into that disease-ridden harpy.
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Until a sex tape pops up.....[How horrifying would that be]
The best way to avoid any disease is to have sex from a distance, so a sex tape isn't all that horrifying of an idea.
I really want to know what she does that makes men all retarded.
Anyone with first hand experience feel like sharing?
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Porc 411 around 3pm eastern...they kicked sam out of the jail...lol...whoopie!
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Does anyone(besides Bill) admit to having sex with Ivy?
I know 2 people who have had sex with Sharon (besides Bill).....and an what seems to be an endless list of guys that she hit on, pursued, etc. who wanted absolutely nothing to do with her...in any way shape or form. I've heard guys say that even though they were shit-faced drunk they were smart enough to kick her out of their house and another who said having sex with her would be like putting their dick in battery acid. I would never list those who were stupid enough to have sex with her or the list of those she claimed to have had sex with.....as most if the guys on the list don't deserve that scarlet letter!
What is funniest to watch about this whole thing is how upset Bill is that Sharon slept with someone else....and to watch Bill try and put the blame on Nick. You is really buying that Nick "took advantage of a pregnant Ivy's hormones while she's away from her husband for weeks on end" or that he somehow was preying on her. Seriously? Reality is that Bill chose to lie down with a dog and is shocked that he now has fleas. Well duh! Time and time again so many of us have pointed out that Sharon is a sociopath and a con artist. This is what she does. For her, I don't think it's about sex, it's about the conquest. That's why she all too often pursues unavailable men - unavailable sometimes because they are already in another relationship. Of course, she tires of them, too and pursues another conquest....and the cycle repeats itself over and over again.
Combine this with her constant need for assistance in situations that she of course is just the victim in....whether she needs clothes for her kids, or money to buy a gun, or money to pay the rent...or the electric bill or whatever.....help fixing the truck, getting her out of jail...and the list goes on and on. Like the system or not - she stole from the State of Rhode Island. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that she was collecting welfare here in NH as well.
I am amazed that so many people can't see her for what she is. She is a sociopath. Bill chose that over Kate - what a fool. The best thing that ever happened to Kate was Bill cheating on her with this wretched woman....as Kate is in a wonderful relationship with a great guy and her life is so much better now than it was before Ivy fixated on Bill and made him her latest conquest.
Sharon posted this image in her online journal just shortly after hooking up with Bill.
(http://bp2.blogger.com/_a7jkcMVp5Vg/R7YrwNP2M0I/AAAAAAAAEKc/dT-Db7Y09nw/s400/wanted.jpg)
Oh, the irony of that now. Now that she's pregnant, Bill is stuck with her for life.....kind of like herpes.....you just can't get rid of it. Best of luck to the both of them....they deserve each other.
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I really want to know what she does that makes men all retarded.
Anyone with first hand experience feel like sharing?
eeewww.....eeeewwww.....eeeeeeeewwwwwwww!
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Porc 411 around 3pm eastern...they kicked sam out of the jail...lol...whoopie!
So, did he give his name up, and sign something?
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I really want to know what she does that makes men all retarded.
Anyone with first hand experience feel like sharing?
eeewww.....eeeewwww.....eeeeeeeewwwwwwww!
Do I dare propose...rimming...
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Too bad Ivy is in jail now that Sam is out. They could have celebrated together.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292)
If I may put in my 2 cents on this nonsense. This is exactly what someone would do who didn't like or agree with your group. They cast doubt and suspicion and it can eventually turn everyone against everyone else. Thats how Governments who are power hungry and don't want to let go of that power work. It's a simple method and they have to do little to no work to win. They pit everyone against everyone else and things get destroyed from the inside out. Just ignore any banter that people would say to cast suspicion on a nameless/faceless person. Cause the suspicion gets cast on your friends and neighbors. Rise up and say, you know what, I'm not going to indulge in this nonsense and then sit here and wonder who among us is a spy/snitch/mole/informant/rat or whatever. Move on and ignore this guy. He obviosly wants to tear this group down in the most known and easiest and effective way.
:lol:
Freestaters....
We don't know if that person is a freestater.
Well they were posting on the freekeene forum, thats close enough to the NH liberty movement for me.
I just find it hilarious someone found away to turn some messy fuck fest into a conspiracy about people trying to take down the NH liberty movement.
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Bill arrested. Ivy's kid taken away by the cops.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267.msg299849#msg299849
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Fuck, seriously?
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Will it ever end?
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Maybe if it involves body bags.
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FUCK IM SUPPOSED TO BE DOING PRODUCTIVE THINGS
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Maybe Bill wasn't arrested. It sounds like the grandparents got the kid, with the help of the police.
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And Bill is going to try and intervene? Good luck with that. The best thing for that kid is to be away from all this crap....
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And Bill is going to try and intervene? Good luck with that. The best thing for that kid is to be away from all this crap....
what if grandpa's a pedophile fudge-packer...
what then Tamster...
I didn't know you knew grandma and grandpa Ivy so well as to speak on their behalf...
hmmm....
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And Bill is going to try and intervene? Good luck with that. The best thing for that kid is to be away from all this crap....
what if grandpa's a pedophile fudge-packer...
what then Tamster...
I didn't know you knew grandma and grandpa Ivy so well as to speak on their behalf...
hmmm....
Apparently you know them well enough to think that they're kiddie fuckers, huh?
Goes both ways.
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And Bill is going to try and intervene? Good luck with that. The best thing for that kid is to be away from all this crap....
what if grandpa's a pedophile fudge-packer...
what then Tamster...
I didn't know you knew grandma and grandpa Ivy so well as to speak on their behalf...
hmmm....
Then why has Ivy left him there before? If he's some evil dude, I'm sure Ivy would have written about it online - she writes about everything else online. And if he's some evil dude, then why ever leave Peter there? Seriously.
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And Bill is going to try and intervene? Good luck with that. The best thing for that kid is to be away from all this crap....
what if grandpa's a pedophile fudge-packer...
what then Tamster...
I didn't know you knew grandma and grandpa Ivy so well as to speak on their behalf...
hmmm....
Then why has Ivy left him there before? If he's some evil dude, I'm sure Ivy would have written about it online - she writes about everything else online. And if he's some evil dude, then why ever leave Peter there? Seriously.
what if she "just" found out?
I don't propose to "know" one way or the other...
I'm just asking how you PERSONALLY know them well enough to vouch for them PERSONALLY...
and if you're not willing to do that...then HOW can you state that anyone would be better off one place...than another...
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what if she "just" found out?
I don't propose to "know" one way or the other...
I'm just asking how you PERSONALLY know them well enough to vouch for them PERSONALLY...
and if you're not willing to do that...then HOW can you state that anyone would be better off one place...than another...
Based on what I do know and what I'll have to guess on - I still think Peter is better off in RI with his grandparents. He doesn't need to be part of this train wreck. Seriously.
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And Bill is going to try and intervene? Good luck with that. The best thing for that kid is to be away from all this crap....
what if grandpa's a pedophile fudge-packer...
what then Tamster...
I didn't know you knew grandma and grandpa Ivy so well as to speak on their behalf...
hmmm....
Then why has Ivy left him there before? If he's some evil dude, I'm sure Ivy would have written about it online - she writes about everything else online. And if he's some evil dude, then why ever leave Peter there? Seriously.
what if she "just" found out?
I don't propose to "know" one way or the other...
I'm just asking how you PERSONALLY know them well enough to vouch for them PERSONALLY...
and if you're not willing to do that...then HOW can you state that anyone would be better off one place...than another...
(http://cmsof.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/fruitcake2.jpg)
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I knew I was being played from day 1.
My desire for attention was stronger than my logical mind.
Ivy's asked that I never talk to her again. So be it.
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Wow, she played you and then asked you not to talk to her again? If that went down as I'm picturing it in my head, she just went down several notches in my book, not that she was very high to begin with. I tend to have pretty good character judgment skills and I have always gotten a very bad "vibe" so to speak from her. I know a manipulator when I see one. That said, I would never say anything to you about such matters, because those are lessons I think you just have to learn yourself.
I can not believe that Bill has the audacity to pretend like he didn't know this was coming, or that Ivy wasn't the instigator in this situation.
Nick, I think you are awesome, and Ivy is way way way too trashy and low for you. If I wasn't taken, I'd hit it. Seriously! 8)
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If I wasn't taken, I'd hit it. Seriously! 8)
HEY IM SINGLE
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Bill and Ivy make a good couple.
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Love how you keep editing your posts to soften them after I've responded, Fatcat.
I edit the majority of my posts after the fact when I think of more shit to say, its not some conspiracy to make you look like an asshole.
I stand by my point that the kind of common ideas of leopard can't change its spots, once a [blank] always a [blank], are ostensibly illustrative, but fundamentally unhelpful and empty.
I can see that it looks like I'm misrepresenting your point, what you said was more complex and subtle than how i responded, but my intention was to rail against the common sense idea that people don't really change and that a few actions can be used to define an entire person.
I'm not just talking about cheating here, the same kind of belief is common place around criminals, liars, and pretty much any kind of infraction.
I certainly don't write in a way that is endearing to friendly banter, but I don't see why you have to get so hostile with all the name calling shit, although your generally level headed so I guess I'm probably being more of an asshole than I'm aware of.
The people who have behaviors (whatever they may be) and suddenly turn a 180* are the exception to the rule. Most people do what they do and keep on doin' it. The ones who change are usually impacted by some kind of life-changing event that completely alters their perceptions - like a born-again, with or without the god part.
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Condoms are perfect and never break.
Condoms never break my ass!
that's because you're not using enough lube for it to go in
There are many, many reasons why a condom will break, and most of them have nothing to do with there not being enough lube. Off the top of my head, Inferior brand, pinholes, age, bad latex...
Conjugation is not your friend.
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Love how you keep editing your posts to soften them after I've responded, Fatcat.
I edit the majority of my posts after the fact when I think of more shit to say, its not some conspiracy to make you look like an asshole.
I stand by my point that the kind of common ideas of leopard can't change its spots, once a [blank] always a [blank], are ostensibly illustrative, but fundamentally unhelpful and empty.
I can see that it looks like I'm misrepresenting your point, what you said was more complex and subtle than how i responded, but my intention was to rail against the common sense idea that people don't really change and that a few actions can be used to define an entire person.
I'm not just talking about cheating here, the same kind of belief is common place around criminals, liars, and pretty much any kind of infraction.
I certainly don't write in a way that is endearing to friendly banter, but I don't see why you have to get so hostile with all the name calling shit, although your generally level headed so I guess I'm probably being more of an asshole than I'm aware of.
The people who have behaviors (whatever they may be) and suddenly turn a 180* are the exception to the rule. Most people do what they do and keep on doin' it. The ones who change are usually impacted by some kind of life-changing event that completely alters their perceptions - like a born-again, with or without the god part.
Well I don't think either of us have any stats on the matter, and I think you probably notice people with habitual character traits more than those who do things one off or in a more random/less predictable manner.
For example, in my early teens, me and a friend would go out late night/early morning and steal shit out of peoples unlocked cars. I didn't think it was okay at the time, and I haven't done anything like it since, but there wasn't a switch that flipped in my head one day that I thought, oh I definitely shouldn't do that anymore.
Of course people who have cheated on people all their life are likely to keep doing it, but thats representative of underlying character traits, I don't think its particularly to do with them trying it once and then developing some sort of habitual character trait as a result.
I'd be interested to see the stats on how many people cheat once or twice but don't ever do it again their whole life. I don't think things are so die cast as you're either in one group "cheaters", or the other "not cheaters", or even that the majority of people who cheat are "cheaters" for life, while its a minority that do it as a one off.
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Isn't Nick "Coconut" the guy who co-hosts the Free Minds TV show?
No. That's Nick M, famous for being on FTL and Free Minds TV
I'm Nick Ryder, not famous for being a FreeKeene blogger and videographer.
www.youtube.com/gloriouscoconut
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10399#msg10399
cyberdoo78:
As I believe that Ivy is both pleasurable to look at and mentally appealing
To each his own.
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WTF?
Sam didn't change out of the jail clothes when he got out.
(http://imgur.com/ci6fy.png)
Also, he has a real lawyer now, and is going to ask for a continuance. Can you complain about not getting a speedy trial if you ask for a continuance?
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He must smell pretty.
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He should wear those clothes during the trial.
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Love how you keep editing your posts to soften them after I've responded, Fatcat.
I edit the majority of my posts after the fact when I think of more shit to say, its not some conspiracy to make you look like an asshole.
I stand by my point that the kind of common ideas of leopard can't change its spots, once a [blank] always a [blank], are ostensibly illustrative, but fundamentally unhelpful and empty.
I can see that it looks like I'm misrepresenting your point, what you said was more complex and subtle than how i responded, but my intention was to rail against the common sense idea that people don't really change and that a few actions can be used to define an entire person.
I'm not just talking about cheating here, the same kind of belief is common place around criminals, liars, and pretty much any kind of infraction.
I certainly don't write in a way that is endearing to friendly banter, but I don't see why you have to get so hostile with all the name calling shit, although your generally level headed so I guess I'm probably being more of an asshole than I'm aware of.
The people who have behaviors (whatever they may be) and suddenly turn a 180* are the exception to the rule. Most people do what they do and keep on doin' it. The ones who change are usually impacted by some kind of life-changing event that completely alters their perceptions - like a born-again, with or without the god part.
Well I don't think either of us have any stats on the matter, and I think you probably notice people with habitual character traits more than those who do things one off or in a more random/less predictable manner.
For example, in my early teens, me and a friend would go out late night/early morning and steal shit out of peoples unlocked cars. I didn't think it was okay at the time, and I haven't done anything like it since, but there wasn't a switch that flipped in my head one day that I thought, oh I definitely shouldn't do that anymore.
Of course people who have cheated on people all their life are likely to keep doing it, but thats representative of underlying character traits, I don't think its particularly to do with them trying it once and then developing some sort of habitual character trait as a result.
I'd be interested to see the stats on how many people cheat once or twice but don't ever do it again their whole life. I don't think things are so die cast as you're either in one group "cheaters", or the other "not cheaters", or even that the majority of people who cheat are "cheaters" for life, while its a minority that do it as a one off.
Right. More stats. Refer to your statistics IRL on the fly. Theres something to be said for sound judgement, which will often prevent being a participant in a problem.
In the larger sense, it's a kind of prejudice you develop. The people who act like that, look like that, often do certain things. Maybe you can keep your genetals to yourself, but I'm not gonna put myself in a position where I'll be surprised if you don't - if I know thats typical of your past behavior.
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(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8088/protest.jpg)
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Maybe Bill wasn't arrested. It sounds like the grandparents got the kid, with the help of the police.
I was with Bill today, driving him around to the court and jail. While I kinda feel like Tammy does about the whole situation, I kinda felt sorry for him which is why I helped out.
1st off, While Bill was talking to the Bureaucrats at the local jail, I had a cig break outside and walked around the side of the building to where the inmates were playing in the fenced-in yard and nearly got arrested. As I walked back to the front door where the lobby was, a CO came out and started yelling at me, saying wth was I doing back there, to which I replied just sayin hi to the inmates. Then he got more pissed and said that this is jail and you can't say hi to the inmates, to which I said: my apologies, I had no idea. Lastly, he said in the most high-pitched/bitchy tone that if I went around there again, I would be arrested by the Laconia police. At least he held the door for me on the way back in. :roll:
Then, we headed back to the restaurant in Bristol and the police chief, his stooge and 4 state troopers where waiting for us as we pulled up. I was open carrying while wearing my Ron Paul MIA shirt and the chief said if you even reach for your gun, it will be the last thing you ever do. I responded by saying, I would never do such a thing and I don't take too kindly to that insult. The whole time he was talking to me, he never looked me in the eyes but I was surrounded by his goons. Moving on, before they took Bill around the corner for a chat, I was smoking a cig and they insisted that I go in the restaurant even though it's illegal to smoke in NH food places. So I did, and that's when Bill came back telling me that the po's were taking the kid. In the mean time, I was making small talk to the chief's stooge, telling him of my BA in CJ and that I'm a licensed PI. That kind of broke the ice and he was chilled out at that point. The chief then said I should leave, and I high-tailed it outta there - never to go back. End of story. What a long fuckin day... It was nice to attend the Taproom Tuesday/seatbelt termination celebration party which had at least 120 people.
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I'm a licensed PI.
In NH?
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I'm a licensed PI.
In NH?
Mich, but I think it is legit in NH.
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I hope you had the decency to tour Boylston St.
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I hope you had the decency to tour Boylston St.
I failed in that regard. Why though?
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I hope you had the decency to tour Boylston St.
I failed in that regard. Why though?
Stomping grounds of a fictional private eye.
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me and a friend would go out late night/early morning and steal shit out of peoples unlocked cars.
QFT
Classy!
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me and a friend would go out late night/early morning and steal shit out of peoples unlocked cars.
QFT
Classy!
Hey, I'm not proud of it, but I don't have any problem admitting the stupid shit I've done, and it fit my point that people can do immoral acts without it leading to a life long habit or being the result of some sort of permanent character defect.
It didn't take some major life changing event to realize it was wrong, i just grew the fuck up.
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but I think it is legit in NH.
You THINK it's legit? Or do you just not care?
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but I think it is legit in NH.
You THINK it's legit? Or do you just not care?
NH is a bitch about PIs.
I was looking into it a few years ago, but I would have to be an employee of an agency.
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/RSA/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-VII-106-F.htm
106-F:5 License Required; Registration of Foreign Corporations. –
I. No person shall engage in the business of a private detective agency without obtaining a private detective agency license from the commissioner of safety and no person shall engage in the business of a security guard service without obtaining a security guard service license from the commissioner of safety.
II. No person shall become an employee of a private detective agency or a security guard agency without first obtaining a license to do so from the commissioner of safety.
III. Any out-of-state applicant incorporated under the laws of any other state, desiring to do business in this state pursuant to this chapter, shall be deemed to be a foreign corporation and shall be required to register under and comply with the provisions of RSA 293-A.
Source. 1977, 582:1. 1987, 124:6, I(a). 1990, 146:1, 2, eff. Jan. 1, 1991.
106-F:6 Application for License; Confidentiality. – All information provided by an applicant for a license under this chapter, other than the application date and the business address of the applicant, shall be kept confidential, unless such information is requested by a law enforcement agent engaged in the performance of his authorized duties. An applicant for any license issued under this chapter shall include the following in his application:
I. The name and address of the firm applying for a license, or the name and address of the applicant if an individual, and all partners, officers and major stockholders.
II. The name of the person primarily responsible for managing and conducting the business in this state.
III. The name of at least 3 unrelated persons to whom inquiry can be made concerning the applicant's character as to integrity and reputation for honesty.
IV. The applicant's record of felony convictions and misdemeanor convictions.
V. Information as to whether any prior or similar licenses have ever been issued to the applicant and if so, whether such licenses were ever revoked or suspended, in this or any other state.
VI. In the case of an applicant for an armed security guard or armed private detective license, 2 sets of the applicant's fingerprints taken at state police headquarters.
VII. Two photographs of the applicant taken at state police headquarters to be used for a photo license card issued by the commissioner of safety identifying the private detective or security guard holder and by whom he is employed.
VIII. In addition to the requirements of paragraphs I-VII, applicants for private detective licenses shall meet the following qualifications:
(a) Be a resident of the United States.
(b) Be at least 18 years of age.
(c) Have no record of violent misdemeanors, or theft, fraud, or felony convictions.
(d) Except for employees, possess:
(1) A minimum of 4 years' experience as a full-time law enforcement officer with a federal, state, county or municipal police department; or
(2) An associate of science degree or bachelor of science degree in criminal justice or fire service from an accredited college or university, and employment as a full-time investigator for a private detective agency for at least 2 years; or
(3) A minimum of 4 years' employment as a full-time investigator for a licensed private detective or private detective agency;
or
(4) A minimum of 4 years' experience as a full-time firefighter and certification by the International Association of Arson Investigators.
(e) Provide verifiable documentation of his qualifications at the time of application for a license.
Source. 1977, 582:1. 1981, 389:4. 1987, 124:6, I(a); 205:1. 1990, 146:4, 5. 1991, 308:34. 1992, 139:3, eff. July 3, 1992.
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blackie, I got the BA and I'm in the process of sending in my application for the NH guard license. I just got here about 2 weeks ago and I doubt I'll even look for employment til some time after P-fest. Not trying to tout my horn here, it was just part of my story from yesterday. U live up here still?
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me and a friend would go out late night/early morning and steal shit out of peoples unlocked cars.
QFT
Classy!
Hey, I'm not proud of it, but I don't have any problem admitting the stupid shit I've done, and it fit my point that people can do immoral acts without it leading to a life long habit or being the result of some sort of permanent character defect.
It didn't take some major life changing event to realize it was wrong, i just grew the fuck up.
All of us have made some pretty big and dumb mistakes in our lives. Most of the people here are good people who have made dumb mistakes. We all have our moments of selfishness and thoughtlessness. We occasionally give in to pressure from others to do things we shouldn't be doing. This is most of the people here.
There are others who the selfishness and thoughtless are not momentary lapses in judgement. There are people who habitually seek to manipulate people, take advantage of them, play with their emotions and simply seek to benefit at the expense of others without a thought about other people's wellbeing. This is Ivy.
blackie, I got the BA and I'm in the process of sending in my application for the NH guard license. I just got here about 2 weeks ago and I doubt I'll even look for employment til some time after P-fest. Not trying to tout my horn here, it was just part of my story from yesterday. U live up here still?
Were you the one at Helwig's place on Sunday?
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Yep
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All of us have made some pretty big and dumb mistakes in our lives. Most of the people here are good people who have made dumb mistakes. We all have our moments of selfishness and thoughtlessness. We occasionally give in to pressure from others to do things we shouldn't be doing. This is most of the people here.
I myself am a "born again" force-initiator.
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me and a friend would go out late night/early morning and steal shit out of peoples unlocked cars.
QFT
Classy!
Hey, I'm not proud of it, but I don't have any problem admitting the stupid shit I've done, and it fit my point that people can do immoral acts without it leading to a life long habit or being the result of some sort of permanent character defect.
It didn't take some major life changing event to realize it was wrong, i just grew the fuck up.
All of us have made some pretty big and dumb mistakes in our lives. Most of the people here are good people who have made dumb mistakes. We all have our moments of selfishness and thoughtlessness. We occasionally give in to pressure from others to do things we shouldn't be doing. This is most of the people here.
There are others who the selfishness and thoughtless are not momentary lapses in judgement. There are people who habitually seek to manipulate people, take advantage of them, play with their emotions and simply seek to benefit at the expense of others without a thought about other people's wellbeing. This is Ivy.
Well certainly from what I've heard about Ivy, she has a track record of being a royal cunt, and it certainly seems reasonable that she's not going to change anytime soon but I would rail against the general attitude that once a [blank], always a [blank].
I'd say sociopaths like Ivy are probably the exception, and most people are generally more complicated than single minded, unsympathetic assholes.
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
What contract?
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
What contract?
That contract that only seems to exist when you break it, but NEVER exists when someone complains about the FSP breaking it. re- 2006 deadline.
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
What contract?
That contract that only seems to exist when you break it, but NEVER exists when someone complains about the FSP breaking it. re- 2006 deadline.
The FSP does not endorse sticking to its own contracts.
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
What contract?
That contract that only seems to exist when you break it, but NEVER exists when someone complains about the FSP breaking it. re- 2006 deadline.
The FSP does not endorse sticking to its own contracts.
TAKE THEM TO MEDIATION.
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
What contract?
That contract that only seems to exist when you break it, but NEVER exists when someone complains about the FSP breaking it. re- 2006 deadline.
The FSP does not endorse sticking to its own contracts.
TAKE THEM TO MEDIATION.
The FSP cheated on me. I'm telling the whole forum community. So it's gonna have to be public mediation.
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
What contract?
That contract that only seems to exist when you break it, but NEVER exists when someone complains about the FSP breaking it. re- 2006 deadline.
The FSP does not endorse sticking to its own contracts.
TAKE THEM TO MEDIATION.
The FSP cheated on me. I'm telling the whole forum community. So it's gonna have to be public mediation.
Mediator: "Sure, just as soon as all ya'll pay me a few bucks to do the jerb."
*Sounds of cheap fuckers fleeing the room like rats from a sinking ship*
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I hereby notify HR Puff and Stuff that I am not now, nor have I ever been, an FSP participant.
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I hereby notify HR Puff and Stuff that I am not now, nor have I ever been, an FSP participant.
SHUN! SHUN! SHUUUUUUUUUNAAH!!!
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Viva la Sorens!
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Now that I don't live in NH, I can join the FSP.
If I move back, I am gunna join and get them to help me unpack.
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
What contract?
I thought you said you broke the contract on your house?
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I hereby notify HR Puff and Stuff that I am not now, nor have I ever been, an FSP participant.
I think we know that.
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
What contract?
I thought you said you broke the contract on your house?
I've still got it. Wanna buy a house in Grafton?
Ivy lives in Grafton. You can prolly get free blow jobs.
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U live up here still?
He broke his contract and moved away.
What contract?
I thought you said you broke the contract on your house?
I've still got it. Wanna buy a house in Grafton?
Ivy lives in Grafton. You can prolly get free blow jobs.
I thought you said you were a deadbeat and turned it over to the bank.
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I thought you said you were a deadbeat and turned it over to the bank.
He said he was considering it.
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Still considering it....or moving the family back.
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Still considering it....or moving the family back.
Sorry man. So you aren't a deadbeat. My fault.
You should move back to Grafton. They are looking for a cop.
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I suppose it's time to post a response...
I'm sure Blackie will repost it here
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Putting the other quotes in would be too much work....
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10519#msg10519
Coconut:
I realize I've said precious little in public in regards to this. Though it seems that public response is what Bill wants most out of me. The silence is for a variety of reasons. One of which being that I knew that no response would (and still may not) give Bill the closure or satisfaction he deserves. Another being that people who know a bit more about the situation than others (Ian, Soundwave, Zaphar, Dale) have said a lot of things I was already thinking, and I didn't feel the need to re-say them. They have more credibility coming from someone outside than someone trying to "defend" himself.
Yes, I knew that Bill and Ivy were married, and nobody else but me is responsible for anything I did. But keep in mind: my actions were under the belief that Ivy's friends and family knew and approved of her prior stance on relationships. She told me she was "poly", but I am clearly uneducated about the "poly" community. I would not have risked the welfare of a loving family if I'd truly understood the bounds it was in. Liberty lovers are well-known for living unconventional lifestyles, and I made a mistake in not knowing what was what in this case.
Those that know me know I'm not the best at getting along with people in social situations until I'm more comfortable, to say the least. Some would say I'm outright socially retarded. Ivy and I got along well quickly, and I foolishly let my desire for friendship and attention outweigh my logical thought processes. While I certainly was a willing participant, as people have said, she was as well and she made it seem perfectly okay. I do not mean to blame anyone for what happened, only to defend myself against allegations that I "took advantage" of somebody.
I do wish it had not gone public, more for the sake of Ivy's family than my own reputation. I do believe the actions all said were not overwhelmingly egregious and didn't warrant the seething anger this thread began with. That said, I do understand it, and Bill has a right to feel however he feels regarding it.
Bill, I am sorry for the trials your family is going through, and that I had the ignorance and personal shortfalls to exacerbate them. I am not innocent of moral shortcomings; for I have many glaring weaknesses in my life that I either cannot or will not address. As I said before, the last thing I want to do is get between a family. I don't believe I could do that to you and Ivy if I tried. I do not want you to harbor anger or distrust toward her, for she needs your help right now. Ivy has asked that I never talk to her again; so that is the way my life will continue.
I would hope you choose to see this as it was, a foolish fling encouraged by a lonely guy, and focus on more important things in your life like getting Ivy and Peter back, as well as running a business. Or you might continue the offensive against me, like your "It's not over" comment suggested. Everyone understands your anger, but let's not drag the drama out past where it needs to be and cause even more hurting.
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So he lied.
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So he lied.
This whole thing has been cryptic, and probably for good reason, so it's not clear (to me, at least) that he's saying anything different.
It's been a long year for Coconut.
Coco: at some point you may want to consider taking Bill's advice, ironically enough, and getting out of that place. It's a big world and there are plenty of places with a lot better quality of life.
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Ivy seems like a terrible person. First, screwing a married man and wrecking their home. Now, while pregnant with that man's child, seducing a younger man while her new husband, the one she stole from a probably much more trustworthy, if less sexually exciting wife, is off busting his ass working for their mutual benefit. Ugly. Very ugly. I don't think that I know anyone that vile except for my ex-wife, who pretty much did the same thing to marry her new cop husband.
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This whole thing has been cryptic, and probably for good reason, so it's not clear (to me, at least) that he's saying anything different.
I dunno, seems pretty clear to me:
Coconut fucked Ivy? Ewwww.
Get checked and remember. Penicillin cures gonorrhea.
Well. I didn't.
I don't know what he thinks I did.
In addition, Dale foolishly deleted the thread
Unless you mean he's not admitting to anything relating to actual "fucking", i.e. vaginal intercourse, in his latest post. I can see that.
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This whole thing has been cryptic, and probably for good reason, so it's not clear (to me, at least) that he's saying anything different.
I dunno, seems pretty clear to me:
Coconut fucked Ivy? Ewwww.
Get checked and remember. Penicillin cures gonorrhea.
Well. I didn't.
I don't know what he thinks I did.
In addition, Dale foolishly deleted the thread
Unless you mean he's not admitting to anything relating to actual "fucking", i.e. vaginal intercourse, in his latest post. I can see that.
Yeah. That's pretty much what I mean.
Intercourse (or, any sexual contact for that matter) is not the damaging part. It's the intimacy.
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Intercourse (or, any sexual contact for that matter) is not the damaging part. It's the intimacy.
True.... the Clinton "I did not have sex with that woman" defense really isn't that great.
Brock, why do you suggest I've had a long year, or should run away from Keene? I'll probably be here forever.
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Intercourse (or, any sexual contact for that matter) is not the damaging part. It's the intimacy.
True.... the Clinton "I did not have sex with that woman" defense really isn't that great.
Brock, why do you suggest I've had a long year, or should run away from Keene? I'll probably be here forever.
Umm, nothing I guess. I withdraw.
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Umm, nothing I guess. I withdraw.
Ok. Just wondering. I didn't realize I'd had a particularly hard year. Especially compared to the rest of the country losing their jobs and such.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267.msg300034#msg300034
J’raxis 9021douche:
I’m not digging up all the old threads in order to find proof, but I haven’t always supported Ivy in everything she’s done, either. When she had a blow-up with an ex-boyfriend, Rob, I took Rob’s side at first: I told her I thought she was overreacting. (I actually got yelled at up and down for that, by the way. Most people jumped to the conclusion that a woman accusing her boyfriend of domestic violence is untouchable—except me.) Based on my own observation of Rob’s behavior, I eventually came to believe that Ivy had been right, but then when I saw how the restraining order that she’d gotten against him prevented us from trying to make right the situation, I then saw that that had also been a mistake. Fun mess.
Rob and Ivy.....
Enjoy!
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Rob and Ivy, eh? So, it's tertiary syphilis, isn't it Rob. That explains a lot.
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Is Ivy the only broad up there that'll put out or something?
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Is Ivy the only broad up there that'll put out or something?
By 2am she looks like a wedding cake.
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Is Ivy the only broad up there that'll put out or something?
By 2am she looks like a wedding cake.
Pasty and flavorless?
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Is Ivy the only broad up there that'll put out or something?
By 2am she looks like a wedding cake.
Pasty and flavorless?
http://cakefailure.blogspot.com/
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Is Ivy the only broad up there that'll put out or something?
By 2am she looks like a wedding cake.
Pasty and flavorless?
and everyone gets a piece.
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Is Ivy the only broad up there that'll put out or something?
By 2am she looks like a wedding cake.
Pasty and flavorless?
I ain't tastin' it to find out.
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(http://ohellnawlblog.com/newohnblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/omfg_you_are_not_the_father.gif)
Just testing to see if the image works as a hotlink.
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Did you have to get rid of your guns for a while, Rob, or did you beat the rap at the full hearing?
IIRC, they took his guns and for a while. He didn't RAD them.
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Rob and Ivy, eh? So, it's tertiary syphilis, isn't it Rob. That explains a lot.
Neurosyphillis...
ENJOY!
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Ivy has been released.
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I kind of think this might actually draw more ppl to the state (FSP)…I know I'm considering it just for the entertainment/promiscuity factor. :P
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It looks like Ivy and Bill don't live in Grafton any more...
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267.msg300125#msg300125
living in the basement of the restaurant with Bill
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I kind of think this might actually draw more ppl to the state (FSP)…I know I'm considering it just for the entertainment/promiscuity factor. :P
Maybe. But it's really drawing the WRONG kind of attention. And it's been for too long. I don't see how stuff like this helps recruit people.
God forbid anyone ever groups together and gets themselves elected to a majority of the town governmen. But ohh no, we'd rather have personal drama and get arrested over silly things like recording in the courtroom.
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I kind of think this might actually draw more ppl to the state (FSP)…I know I'm considering it just for the entertainment factor. :P
That's why I just moved. Now I have a front row seat to the best non-stop, drama-filled show on the planet. Oh, and more freedom of course.
Oh, and beej, most libertarians don't have good drama in their lives. The more freedom one has, the more random people get involved, which makes for quite a show.
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Who is going to "party" with Ivy tonight?
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Who is going to "party" with Ivy tonight?
Wow...that's gonna be awkward.
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Who is going to "party" with Ivy tonight?
After all the work that Bill has done in Ivy's favor, I think she has some explaining to do re: the coco situation.
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This Bill guy is getting taken for a ride. Sounds like he sunk his money into this restaurant that was Ivy's idea, not his, and now he does all the work to keep it afloat while she goes and preys on younger dudes (while she's pregnant with Bill's kid no less!). Anyone think he is sorry he left his ex-wide for Ivy? I'm sure his wife is getting a bit of a kick out of his current sorrows (that's how exes are, I know, my ex-wife has no end of joy making my life miserable through the courts). Anyway, if his goal was to tarnish Nick's reputation, he failed, but he sure made his wife look like, well, I wont use the word I'm thinking of, it's impolite, but she sure doesn't look good from this side of the screen. I wonder what this vixen looks like, I assume she must be pretty hot, to cause so much heartache and be irresistible to men despite her obviously bad reputation.
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Someone posted a pic on page 50-something.
...I wouldn't hit it.
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(http://jailedactivist.info/uploads/activists/ivy-walker/ivy_walker_bust.jpg)
:shock:
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(http://jailedactivist.info/uploads/activists/ivy-walker/ivy_walker_bust.jpg)
:shock:
SHELLY DUVALL'D
(http://www.astrotheme.fr/celestar/images/celebrites/4St5Wp8v4NaG.jpg)
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Suffice to say, I'd certainly not hit it, even with beer googles on.
Nick, you could do SO much better. I expected someone at least mildly attractive, but she looks like a reject from the Ugly Betty casting call, "no way Jim, it's just called Ugly Betty, not Dick Shriveling Betty. NEXT!" The FSP better recruit some better looking ladies, so that this one wont cause anymore trouble. My guess is she's like a big fish in a little pond, and some decent competition in the hot chick department would drastically reduce her home-wrecking capabilities.
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Didn't we see her featured in that video from Candia? You know, the one where she's wearing the blanket and standing out in the middle of that pen? She kinda looks like an undernourished horse, anyway.
And by the way, is it a requirement to look famished and emaciated before you can become a Keeniac Anarchy activist? Not one of these people looks an ounce over 150 lbs!
EDIT:
OK, it looks like she got busted for expired registration and falsified tags. Is she protesting the vehicle registration laws? And the Delaware stuff, it looks like fraud, but against the state, so, it's iffy. I mean, both states seem to be after her for falsifying documents she provided to them or used in/on her vehicle. I'm sympathetic in principle, but I don't know about the tactics. I mean, if you oppose vehicle licensing, the "civil disobedience" that comes to mind would be operating openly without a license plate or registration, not falsifying them. As for the welfare fraud, eh, whatever, but it sure sucks they took her son away. Is the potential consequence worth weaseling some extra money out of the state with a lie or forged paperwork? I just can't figure out the specifics, though.
Despite my distaste for the lady, based solely on what I've read here on on nhunderground, having your children kidnapped by the state is a fate I'd wish on no one. Even though the boy's with his grandparents and not a terrible foster family or an orphanage, I still hope that they get him back or sort it out in such a way that the boy is not emotionally damaged any further. That's a terrible fate, being a ward of the state. He's paying the price for his mother's choices, though, which is something you have to think about if you;re going to do this kind of thing. Having a kid is a serious liability if you're committed to civil disobedience. It's a weakness the state knows it can exploit. The state cares nothing for the child's welfare, but they can and will use your love for that child against you. They're sick bastards.
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Despite my distaste for the lady, based solely on what I've read here on on nhunderground, having your children kidnapped by the state is a fate I'd wish on no one. Even though the boy's with his grandparents and not a terrible foster family or an orphanage, I still hope that they get him back or sort it out in such a way that the boy is not emotionally damaged any further. That's a terrible fate, being a ward of the state. He's paying the price for his mother's choices, though, which is something you have to think about if you;re going to do this kind of thing. Having a kid is a serious liability if you're committed to civil disobedience. It's a weakness the state knows it can exploit. The state cares nothing for the child's welfare, but they can and will use your love for that child against you. They're sick bastards.
He's not a ward of the state - he is/was with his family. Probably the most stable part of a family he knows. Someplace where he has his own bed.....not the basement of a restaurant with your mom and the third adult male in less than 2 years. First he lived with Rob, then he lived with EJ, and now he lives with Bill. Talk about confusing for a 3 year old. You're damn right he's paying for his mother's choices - which is why I think, at least for the time being, he is better off with his grandparents. They were good enough for her to drop off at a few months back, they're good enough now. Please - stop making it sound like the kid is being persecuted.
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I don't think I was saying the kid was persecuted at all! All I was saying is that he is going where the state wants him to go, making him a ward of the state. I also said I was glad he was with the grandparents and not a foster home or orphanage. I said I hope they sort it out in a way that spares him any further mental trauma. That remains my sincere hope.
And yeah, the kid is 3, so she sounds like a bad mother as well as a bad wife and girlfriend. No stability, subordinating her obligation to the child she chose to bring into the world to her own transitory desires, risking imprisonment and abandoning him. She seems pretty fucking messed up.
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Despite my distaste for the lady, based solely on what I've read here on on nhunderground, having your children kidnapped by the state is a fate I'd wish on no one. Even though the boy's with his grandparents and not a terrible foster family or an orphanage, I still hope that they get him back or sort it out in such a way that the boy is not emotionally damaged any further. That's a terrible fate, being a ward of the state. He's paying the price for his mother's choices, though, which is something you have to think about if you;re going to do this kind of thing. Having a kid is a serious liability if you're committed to civil disobedience. It's a weakness the state knows it can exploit. The state cares nothing for the child's welfare, but they can and will use your love for that child against you. They're sick bastards.
He's not a ward of the state - he is/was with his family. Probably the most stable part of a family he knows. Someplace where he has his own bed.....not the basement of a restaurant with your mom and the third adult male in less than 2 years. First he lived with Rob, then he lived with EJ, and now he lives with Bill. Talk about confusing for a 3 year old. You're damn right he's paying for his mother's choices - which is why I think, at least for the time being, he is better off with his grandparents. They were good enough for her to drop off at a few months back, they're good enough now. Please - stop making it sound like the kid is being persecuted.
So, you seeing anyone right now?
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Uh oh... Is that Kate, the ex-wife?
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Despite my distaste for the lady, based solely on what I've read here on on nhunderground, having your children kidnapped by the state is a fate I'd wish on no one. Even though the boy's with his grandparents and not a terrible foster family or an orphanage, I still hope that they get him back or sort it out in such a way that the boy is not emotionally damaged any further. That's a terrible fate, being a ward of the state. He's paying the price for his mother's choices, though, which is something you have to think about if you;re going to do this kind of thing. Having a kid is a serious liability if you're committed to civil disobedience. It's a weakness the state knows it can exploit. The state cares nothing for the child's welfare, but they can and will use your love for that child against you. They're sick bastards.
He's not a ward of the state - he is/was with his family. Probably the most stable part of a family he knows. Someplace where he has his own bed.....not the basement of a restaurant with your mom and the third adult male in less than 2 years. First he lived with Rob, then he lived with EJ, and now he lives with Bill. Talk about confusing for a 3 year old. You're damn right he's paying for his mother's choices - which is why I think, at least for the time being, he is better off with his grandparents. They were good enough for her to drop off at a few months back, they're good enough now. Please - stop making it sound like the kid is being persecuted.
So, you seeing anyone right now?
Do I dare ask why you ask?
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Uh oh... Is that Kate, the ex-wife?
Is who Kate? I doubt Kate is posting here....and if she was, her user name would probably be "kate" or soemthing like that. She doesn't use a screen name of sorts. Besides, she's at her sister's working on her wedding gown. :D
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Uh oh... Is that Kate, the ex-wife?
No, that's Tammy, who had an obsessive hatred of Ivy, from the very beginning (before anything approaching cause appeared).
Kate (Bill's ex-wife) is a class act, and doesn't engage in this nonsense. From the original "incident," she has asked that folks not engage in petty nonsense (to the point, if I recall correctly, of chewing Tammy out publicly, in Murphy's. Right, Tammy?).
Joe
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And that's Joe, the asshole.
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When blackie named this thread, he nailed it.
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Despite my distaste for the lady, based solely on what I've read here on on nhunderground, having your children kidnapped by the state is a fate I'd wish on no one. Even though the boy's with his grandparents and not a terrible foster family or an orphanage, I still hope that they get him back or sort it out in such a way that the boy is not emotionally damaged any further. That's a terrible fate, being a ward of the state. He's paying the price for his mother's choices, though, which is something you have to think about if you;re going to do this kind of thing. Having a kid is a serious liability if you're committed to civil disobedience. It's a weakness the state knows it can exploit. The state cares nothing for the child's welfare, but they can and will use your love for that child against you. They're sick bastards.
He's not a ward of the state - he is/was with his family. Probably the most stable part of a family he knows. Someplace where he has his own bed.....not the basement of a restaurant with your mom and the third adult male in less than 2 years. First he lived with Rob, then he lived with EJ, and now he lives with Bill. Talk about confusing for a 3 year old. You're damn right he's paying for his mother's choices - which is why I think, at least for the time being, he is better off with his grandparents. They were good enough for her to drop off at a few months back, they're good enough now. Please - stop making it sound like the kid is being persecuted.
So, you seeing anyone right now?
Do I dare ask why you ask?
Cause you're hot and I'm way hotter and younger and hotter. All that fun stuff.
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And that's Joe, the asshole.
Oh look, wommenz.
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They say they found a fossil of the "missing link". Bullshit, it's alive and well in New Hampshire!
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Cause you're hot.
Dude, you don't even know me. Maybe this is the problem with the FSP guys - they leap before looking. :wink:
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We got hot chicks in NH, none of which Ivy is the least of.
Cause you're hot.
Dude, you don't even know me. Maybe this is the problem with the FSP guys - they leap before looking. :wink:
Sorry, you're wrong. I talked to you last p-fest in length and you're hot. But, I'm young and quite a stud. If you don't remember, you're whack. I'm sweet as sugar, ya know?
You don't want my picture cause you'd faint...
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I must have had one too many of the Fun Tent's margaritas. :D
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It's OK Rebel, I'll give you a beej in my fun tent.
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I must have had one too many of the Fun Tent's margaritas. :D
You must have, if you forgot me the you're out there. Most women older than me wants it. No disrespect.
beej, you have to stay away from me now... unless you behave
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You must have, if you forgot me the you're out there. Most women older than me wants it. No disrespect.
Now I know you definitely don't know me!
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You must have, if you forgot me the you're out there. Most women older than me wants it. No disrespect.
Now I know you definitely don't know me!
U are out to lunch, during midnight, hun. You don't want me, cause you'd feel old and shit...
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lol
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i love you beej
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In case Tammy wonders, I'm sweet as sugar. You shoulda known, i carry a gun too so that should win me a few points, if she's actually a repulbican.
She obviously wants me...
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GETTIN' WEIRD IN HERE.
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GETTIN' WEIRD IN HERE.
You're getting gay real fast... didn't want to say , but
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And that's Joe, the asshole.
Yup. Respecting my friends' wishes instead of using folks who are in pain in order to further petty little agendas. Very asshole-like.
Joe
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She'll be back soon, cause she wants me. But, she may be not be a lost cause, since I'm so hot and all. But, there's only so many guys in manch, and I'm the best one that isn't there. Tammy is a fine woman!
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Now that I get drunk less, I'm glad there are several recent movers which seem to get drink and the act silly or post pretty often. Someone's got to pass the keg.
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Now that I get drunk less, I'm glad there are several recent movers which seems to get drink and the act silly or post pretty often. Someone's got to pass the keg.
I like to pass the bottle, Tam? Don't deny me...
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GETTIN' WEIRD IN HERE.
It's not weird until there's donkeys involved.
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It's not weird until there's donkeys involved.
That was fulfilled a while ago.
(http://jailedactivist.info/uploads/activists/ivy-walker/ivy_walker_bust.jpg)
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It's not weird until there's donkeys involved.
That was fulfilled a while ago.
(http://jailedactivist.info/uploads/activists/ivy-walker/ivy_walker_bust.jpg)
Hee-haw.
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JWI, you distracted me... If Tam passes on me, we know there's a problemo...
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It's not weird until there's donkeys involved.
That was fulfilled a while ago.
(http://jailedactivist.info/uploads/activists/ivy-walker/ivy_walker_bust.jpg)
Hee-haw.
For some reason the words "corn on the cob" and "fence" come to mind.
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I love you people. Except coc, what a loser :twisted:
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Tam is so fuckin hot. So, i defer judgement. Sometime in my life Tam will get it, flat out. She knows it. If not, she's butt.
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Sometime in my life Tam will get it.
In Soviet Russia, you fuck statist!
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Is Ivy the only broad up there that'll put out or something?
By 2am she looks like a wedding cake.
Pasty and flavorless?
and everyone gets a piece.
That's ok, I'm a pie guy.
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I love you people. Except coc, what a loser :twisted:
I don't hold anything anything against him. She obviously uses some kind of mojo to get men to bend to her will.
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Is Ivy the only broad up there that'll put out or something?
By 2am she looks like a wedding cake.
Pasty and flavorless?
and everyone gets a piece.
That's ok, I'm a pie guy.
YOU SHOULD TRY SOME OF MY POLISH SAUSAGE
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She obviously uses some kind of mojo to get men to bend to her will.
http://wiki.xtube.com/images/thumb/5/5d/A_White_Woman_Rimming.jpg/180px-A_White_Woman_Rimming.jpg
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GETTIN' WEIRD IN HERE.
You're getting gay real fast... didn't want to say , but
Really? In the face of all that shit in the last few pages, I'm the fruit cup. Gotcha, sweet-as-sugar freedom-sheep.
Try applying that blistering intellect to some selectivity in your new buddypals, and you might be on to something.
Didn't want to say, but.
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She obviously uses some kind of mojo to get men to bend to her will.
http://wiki.xtube.com/images/thumb/5/5d/A_White_Woman_Rimming.jpg/180px-A_White_Woman_Rimming.jpg
You're ga\y and I don't want you on my side. I'll get down with it regardless, cause she's a politico.
it's gonna happen. But, I'll keep it confidential, Tam don't worry.
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GETTIN' WEIRD IN HERE.
You're getting gay real fast... didn't want to say , but
Really? In the face of all that shit in the last few pages, I'm the fruit cup. Gotcha, sweet-as-sugar freedom-sheep.
Try applying that blistering intellect to some selectivity in your new buddypals, and you might be on to something.
Didn't want to say, but.
Oh stop, I wish you were my buddy -pal. But, No one said you were a fruitcop or cup, especially not me. I'm trying to bag Tam, so where do you come in?
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So, does anyone know how far along Ivy is in the pregnancy?
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So, does anyone know how far along Ivy is in the pregnancy?
You ruined my buzz completely. Don't ever do that again, until you move back up here. :)
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You're ga\y and I don't want you on my side.
I'm not gay.
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You're ga\y and I don't want you on my side.
I'm not gay.
We'll see about that. If Tammy nocks on my door, then ok. IF not, I'll holla at her. But, dont come to NH with gay talk if you're comin to hang with me. Though, I will point you in the right direction.
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I'm actually getting over Tammy right now, since she's been MIA so much. It's up to her to win me back... If not, she can have some old whatever.
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GETTIN' WEIRD IN HERE.
You're getting gay real fast... didn't want to say , but
Really? In the face of all that shit in the last few pages, I'm the fruit cup. Gotcha, sweet-as-sugar freedom-sheep.
Try applying that blistering intellect to some selectivity in your new buddypals, and you might be on to something.
Didn't want to say, but.
Oh stop, I wish you were my buddy -pal. But, No one said you were a fruitcop or cup, especially not me. I'm trying to bag Tam, so where do you come in?
Read back over this tomorrow when you're not fucked up.
You wanta bag a chick, try calling her out in threads where they're NOT trashing some fuck-pig for being the town pump.
I don't care how cool a chick is, she's not gonna play footsie under these harsh lights.
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GETTIN' WEIRD IN HERE.
You're getting gay real fast... didn't want to say , but
Really? In the face of all that shit in the last few pages, I'm the fruit cup. Gotcha, sweet-as-sugar freedom-sheep.
Try applying that blistering intellect to some selectivity in your new buddypals, and you might be on to something.
Didn't want to say, but.
Oh stop, I wish you were my buddy -pal. But, No one said you were a fruitcop or cup, especially not me. I'm trying to bag Tam, so where do you come in?
Read back over this tomorrow when you're not fucked up.
You wanta bag a chick, try calling her out in threads where they're NOT trashing some fuck-pig for being the town pump.
I don't care how cool a chick is, she's not gonna play footsie under these harsh lights.
You're probably right. And, I'm prolly off base, but I don't care cause I have others on the wait plus others coming up to here. What I'm not happy with is that I have this 18 yr old that wants me to move in with her but I won't have it. She's ok though, but not my style. That's why i want Tam. But, I have some other sources, and I have an array of some banging chicks. But, I want Tammy right now.
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If you want a girl, don't post about her online. Instead, you should spill a drink on her at a party. Make sure she is wearing something expensive when you do it. They love that shit.
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Keith, It's all good. I'm doin good right now.
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iprick, I'm def fucked up but it doesn't matter... It's in NY's best interest to holla at me,
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TMI Buck Fever.
You don't get pussy by bragging about getting pussy.
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Reb's gonna see this thread tomorrow and think somebody jacked his account
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Come up to NH and see what's up, dude.
Reb's gonna see this thread tomorrow and think somebody jacked his account
If you say so.
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This thread makes you look like a total jackass.
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This thread Drunk posting makes you one look like a total jackass.
Fixed for accuracy. :P
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This thread makes you look like a total jackass.
How do I prove you otherwise? I am drunk though
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So, 15 people on this page... Are u trying to get me to bang or otherwise am I saying somethin tonight? Over and above my usual? All. but My usual?
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Though, I will point you in the right direction.
All the gays that I am aware of that are part of the FSP are boner killers.
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Fuck you, asshole. I don't care, I'll take care of your worries later. Do u want some 18 yr, old puss? Cause, I can get you that at P-fest... I want some mature stuff... P-fest will rock your boat unless you're nasty. But, either way, we'll take care of biz.
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I need bed and food, Pussy and your face are an obomination.
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lol drunk
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10639#msg10639
I'm not going to post it here but someone else can if they want. Ivy gives lots of personal details, makes fun of several people, gives lots of excuses, puts blame on others...
She really isn't being fair. There are quite a few things Coc hasn't brought up which could make both Bill and Ivy look bad. He has taken the high road unlike others.
It looks like she did her best, though...
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Blowjobs are a waste of time. And this one is an especially heinous example.
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So, does anyone know how far along Ivy is in the pregnancy?
Best guess based on the ultrasound is maybe 3 months or so.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10639#msg10639
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She really isn't being fair. There are quite a few things Coc hasn't brought up which could make both Bill and Ivy look bad. He has taken the high road unlike others.
God is fair when building people. With "underdeveloped social skills" comes remarkable recollection. Ivy's account of things is.... skewed at best.
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Sorry, Rebel.....don't need a guy who posts so many details on forums. : ) I prefer to not have the details of personal life in print on public forums, ya know?
Ironically, the subject of this whole thread has a different view of what should be private and what should be public:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10639#msg10639
OMG - does it stop with this woman? Based on past experiences, I would say at least half of what she wrote never even happened....or happened in a completely different way. She's made up stuff at length in the past, and as I read that I thought she's making this up as well.
Imagine her 3yr old who is living in a basement of a restaurant with no place to bath, whose mother just posted the details of her affair in a public forum. I can't even find the words to say how terribly sad I am for that little boy. He deserves so much more.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10639#msg10639
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She really isn't being fair. There are quite a few things Coc hasn't brought up which could make both Bill and Ivy look bad. He has taken the high road unlike others.
God is fair when building people. With "underdeveloped social skills" comes remarkable recollection. Ivy's account of things is.... skewed at best.
Nick - I don't know you, but I believe you 100% that her rendition is "skewed at best". She missed her calling - she should have wrote trashy romance novels....they're fiction, too. Her recollections are often different than reality - and what she fails to realize is that other 3rd parties often have recollections as well...so they know what is real and what is stuff she just made up in that sick head of hers. I'm sorry that you , or anyone else for that matter,. got entangled in her insanity. Seriously.
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The Scoop is also ny2nh
Just an FYI.
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Kate (Bill's ex-wife) is a class act
^this
So's her fiancee. Classy, cool, smart people. You know, the kind of folks not likely to hang on the FTL BBS 8)
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The Scoop is also ny2nh
Just an FYI.
Looks like that shut them up.
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Gah...stupid net.
I'm a big kid now.
Current mood: amused
I've recently been quite entertained with the idea that people feel they somehow know what is better
for me than I myself know; they somehow know how I feel and they must protect me from hurt; they
somehow know who I am and what I think and they are responsible to change my situation because
apparently I am not old enough to think for myself or be my own person.
So when was the last time that you checked in on the way you live your life? And, what, because you
live your life ruled by your emotions (a sad place to be really) suddenly that means everyone else does;
suddenly that means I do? And, what, because you suddenly think you know what I feel and think
(since I doubt you have any clue at all) I am supposed to bend to you and do as you say? Wait, your
analysis of my life is more accurate than my own?? How do you figure?
"We live our lives in chains, never even realising we hold the key." So what. I love him. This means
what to you? This means I must have my entire life revolving around him? I must be anxiously
awaiting his approval, or his attention, or his.. what? I don't understand. I'll tell you what it means.
Not your version of what you think it means, but the reality of what it truly means. I love him. And
that is all it means. I just love him. No other words fit. I don't madly desire him. I don't desperately
need him. I don't... I don't... I don't. I just love him. I am my own person, and he is his. And when
you love yourself enough to be your own person, you will realise that loving someone does not mean
that you then automatically, desperately, deeply, irrationally need to be with that person. Loving
someone - truly loving someone does not mean there is some unspoken promise of commitment, some
expectation of the feeling being reciprocated, some need for their affection. Truly loving someone
allows you to set them free; allows you to desire their own happiness above your selfish wants; allows
you to just give freely without demanding return. It just is. I just love him. See because long ago - I
found the key and unlocked my chains...
'splain sumthin to me...
Category: Life
why is it every man i meet that makes my heart stop (which is pretty rare for me) is all
hung up on some other girl, but i have a million guys chasing me... go figure. am i destined
for mediocrity?
that guy i can't let go of...
Current mood: confused
Category: Romance and Relationships
so this guy at work is abslutely everything i could have ever hoped for in life... except (just
like every other guy i've ever fallen for) he's in love with someone else. wtf. and it's not
like i don't have several other guys chasing me (as usual)... but i just can't get this one to
get out of my head. i'm so taken by him i'm even avoiding talking to these other guys and
taken to wearing my 'leave me the fuck alone' pretend engagement ring... which is funny
cuz the 'boss' owner lady thinks i'm 'with' the manager guy just cuz he asked me on a few
dates. but - he just doesn't make my heart stop... and this other one - when i'm near him i
can't even breathe...
i'd be happy just to spend time getting to know him more and hanging out with him... just
to be in his presence...
That's what friends are for!!!
Current mood: amused
Category: Friends
SEE!!???!?!?!?!? Does anyone wonder why I'm so picky about men now? Sheesh - what a
loser.
So I haven't been blogging cuz it's been a busy weekend. The crew hit the ball game Friday
night and then Hathors. We didn't stay too long for various tail-chasing reasons (a-hem we
know who you are mister!), but I got some digits... what can I say, I looked pretty good! I
woulda got that chick's number had this dude not interrupted, and even then had I had the
chance to talk to him longer and seen what a loser I woulda ditched him and gone to find
her again! LOL! Anyways, he was kinda cute and, for the ten minute conversation we had, I
was willing to see if he might be someone to have fun with, so since I had to go, I grabbed
the digits and left with the crew. Saturday was spent doing laundry for all, having bbq at
crayola, and then furniture shopping and starting on reorganizing my room (more on that
later - I LOVE MY NEW BED!!!! hehehe). Sunday was more bbq at crayola all day long along
with wii play. I figured, hey, what better place to talk more and see what's up than with my
friends... as opposed to on a date where I'd have to set up the 'call me in an hour to see if i
need to be rescued' call. LOL. I gave him a call and he came over... *sigh* what a loser.
Okay, I can't help it. I like the super-aggresive-totally-dominant-alpha-male type. And
there's so few of them around.
[Ed--one post is better than many]
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The Scoop is also ny2nh
Just an FYI.
No, but like ny2nh, I am tired of Ivy's lies and how she constantly gets away with misrepresenting herself and other people. The information is out there---just no one bothers to post it.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10639#msg10639
I'm not going to post it here but someone else can if they want.
Where do I begin....
Well, I'll start at the part of taking responsibility for my own actions.
Now, not knowing that I was going to be released today, I had written a letter to Ian to post publicly on these matters, as well as some others. (Ian, feel free to still do so when you receive it. Or, if you feel my following post adequately addresses everything, then don't. I trust your judgment. I think what I am about to say will cover the first, second and last section. The other one about Sam, I would like you to still post over there if you would.)
I cheated on my husband Bill with Nicholas James Ryder.
I was very very wrong for not saying "no" more firmly when I could have. For not stopping when I should have. I am as much to blame as Nick in this situation. Yet, I don't think Nick is being entirely honest either and for that I must (for my husband's reputation's sake) clarify a few things.
While my cheating with Nick did involve some sexual actions, we did not actually engage in intercourse. I want to make that very clear. (Gee, Nick, for someone who thinks I'm "just the most awesome-est girl [you've] ever met" - thanks for "throwing me under the bus" by not at least defending me there - I sure appreciate it...)
Does that make my actions any less wrong? No. Does that mean there was no cheating? No. I'll say it again - I cheated on Bill. And I was wrong.
Now, before you start attacking Bill with "I told you so"s, and "leopards don't change their spots" and "it's all HER fault - she seduced him", let me tell you what Nick apparently can't bring himself to tell anyone. Let me tell you what Nick isn't. (again, Nick, thanks... really... )
I had asked Nick's company one night while going to dinner with Richard and Dan. We had a nice time, and the next night I needed dinner too, so asked if he wanted to go out for Chinese. Next thing I know, he's calling it a "first date". I thought that was funny - cute even. I thought he was joking.
The next week it was "let's grab a pizza." and "Oh I don't mind hanging around while you're working on the case - I just want to be near you. You won't even know I'm here" Then it was "Well let's grab a movie." I still didn't think too much of it.
Yes, Nick is much younger than I and much less experienced. Upon re-reading our IM logs, I can see how my normal, bubbly and flirtatious self could easily be misconstrued by someone like Nick. But, just like I joked around with Barskey about our dinner being a "date" when he bought me dinner as a "Thank you" for helping Sam, I meant little by it when I made the same jokes with Nick... but apparently Nick thought it meant more than it did. I guess the difference is that Barskey and I are clearly "friends only" and both joking type people and would know that the other wasn't serious. Nick, on the other hand, apparently has had a long-time deep-seated crush on me that I didn't know about until....
He kissed me. I stopped him. I told him I couldn't give him what he was looking for. I specifically said those very words.
Still, when I then told him that although I had been "out there" as poly in the past, I am married now and can not give him what he is looking for (date: May 20th, and repeated many times after that - gee Nick, it would really be nice if you were honest about all this too so I'm not totally thrown under the bus...) I thought that he should have realized I had been just being friendly the way that I am and I wanted nothing more. When he snuggled up to me and said "No, no, I understand "this" isn't anything. I'm just a "touchy" person." I should have said "No." but thinking nothing of it (because I'm a snuggly person too) I let it go and he took it to be more.
The next week it was the same things from him: "Let me buy you dinner." "I want to take care of you while you're here." "I just want to spend as much time as I can with you - I don't deserve any of your attention, but I so appreciate every minute of it" And "that" night... when I said "No, Nick, you should go home..." at least five times but still he sat there on the couch looking at me like a puppy dog, and snuggling up to me, and then started biting me..... I should have said "No" again... I should have stopped him. I should have stopped myself.
My actions were just as wrong as Nick's, but, man, the "Shoulda seen it coming" comments towards Bill... so harsh on my husband. Maybe Bill shoulda - but I think more importantly is maybe *I* shoulda.... and I shoulda stopped it. Or maybe even, when Nick knowingly acknowledged the fact that I am married, and further acknowledge that he knew he could not be a part of my life, he should have stopped his behavior too. Bill did nothing wrong here but love a broken and weak woman. And I failed the biggest test of all.
Now's the part where I start to get a bit defensive:
To the several allegations in this thread (and previously) that I somehow have some STD: I'd be happy to sign a consent waiver for all of you if you want to pay for the medical records from Elliot Hospital when I went there on May 22nd - when I tested completely clean of any and all STDs. (fucking sickos...) Additionally, we conceived on March 20th, and, since February 14, 2008 until March 20, 2009 when she was conceived, I have not had sexual intercourse with any other man (Not that it is any of your businesses...) though I will publicly say that if Bill wants a paternity test I'd be happy to take one.
I understand it is easy to be angry at Nick (instead of Ivy or yourself), but let's look at the situation:
I hear that Nick believed her to be a polyamorist. If it's true that he was told this, he wouldn't have been aware he was violating an unspoken agreement.
First, Ian, I am saddened by this entire post from you. Second, Nick was well aware - I told him multiple times "I am married now" and "I can't give you what you are looking for". It would be nice of him to actually acknowledge those things and everyone to not take sides. Clearly we were both wrong.
Ivy is known for being very interested in multiple partners. There are many an activist who have reported her coming on to them, and this includes prior to her pregnancy. (As an aside, you probably didn't know she sent a perfume-laced letter to Sam in jail. Things that make you go, hmm...)
I'd love to know which activists claim I have "come on to them... this includes prior to her pregnancy". I can name the few - though none of which are male. I'd be amused to know which of those males really think my friendliness/flirtaciousness *really* is me coming on to *them*. Heh.
As for the letter to Sam - I think I will speak to Sam directly about that allegation, but Bill has read everything I've sent to Sam and worked on with Sam's case.... but yeah... Bill must not know. Right. How do you think Bill knew about what happened with Nick?? He has all my passwords to everything because I want to be completely open with him. I don't try to hide from him - even when I screw up royally.
Ivy is a grown woman who knows what she wants and knows how to get it.
heh. really? Hmm. Wish I knew where a million bucks were and how to get that...
Nick is a young man with precious little experience in matters like these. From my limited understanding of the situation, it sounds to me like Ivy was the instigator and that she told Nick what he needed to hear to feel a little less guilty about what happened between them.
I think you need to hear again... perhaps from both sides before making such judgements.
She is as responsible for what happened- it's not fair of you to place the weight all on Nick's shoulders.
No one said I wasn't - I don't think Bill at all intended the weight to be entirely on Nick's shoulders. I think he wanted Nick to be a man and fess up to *his ROLE* in the entire situation. I already had fessed up to mine and Bill knew that when he came on here.
Did you believe her days of multiple partners were over and that you were her final conquest, Bill? If so, you need only be angry at yourself for believing that.
Of course, I recommend moving past the anger and into forgiveness. Start by forgiving yourself for lashing out and for believing a leopard will change its spots.
yeah I just don't even know what to say to that last bit... Thanks for being such a good friend, Ian. :) really.
As to Nick living by some "higher moral code" and being such a good little Christian boy... yeah... (you know what they say about them Catholic girls, right?) If Nick had such a high moral code, he would confirm all that I have said here and take responsibility for his role in this situation. He would speak the full truth of the matter - including the numerous times I told him to go home that night, and the numerous times I told him that I couldn't give him what he wanted. If he were truly living by a higher moral code, then "No" would have meant no the first time. Further, if he truly thinks I'm as great as he claimed to think I was, then I'm sure he wouldn't mind clearing up many of these slanderous statements for the group and letting you all know that this incident was not me preying on some innocent young child... The measure of a man is in his actions, and reactions, in the most trying of situations.
Now back to the 'taking responsibility for my actions':
Since that time, my perspective on cheating has totally changed. Now, I don't want to make it sound like I think cheating is good, because that is not the case. I am not proud of what I did, but people make mistakes, and that's important so you can reflect and learn from them. I think cheating is cowardly and dishonest, but since I did it, even though I knew how much it hurt me, I can understand what goes through a person's mind while they are doing it. The chemicals in the brain are very strong, and really, that makes a lot of sense from a biological standpoint. I honestly don't believe that humans were meant to be monogamous, and that the chemicals in our brains encourage us to fuck a bunch of people to help our species survive. There are some practical aspects in our modern day society to monogamy, but that's why I think communication about sex and what's going on in your head is so important in any relationship. I also think that people often confuse sex and love. Sometimes they go together, but not always.
Thanks for this Julia. You're so very right. This time-period in my life is the first time I've felt like what I was actually doing was cheating. The first time I could admit to myself my behavior was wrong. Any other time, I had been "single and dating" or had been with a cheater and "retaliated in kind". Those times I felt... right in what I was doing. It took this time for me to see that I am (and have been) so many times wrong. I'm sitting here re-reading the things Nick and I conversed about and thinking "My God, what was I thinking?" and "They're all right - of course someone so inexperienced as Nick who has an affinity for me would think that I was coming on to him with these words." Yet, in the moment that I am saying them, I don't ever think I'm doing that. I don't know what will happen to Bill and I, but I do know that, for myself, I will be getting some counseling immediately. I'd never even recognized this before... sometimes addicts don't see their additions until they've destroyed their lives. I pray I haven't destroyed mine completely...
All this leads me to these two things:
I want to apologize to the Free State Project and to FreeKeene. For the third time in two years my private relationships and sex life have become "front page news" - to the detriment of the reputation of the good people of this project. Ian, I would like you to remove my membership here, and I'll be emailing someone (probably the FSP membership director, if someone wants to "double check" on my "honesty") to ask my membership be removed from the FSP. I don't want my faults to bring the rest of you all down.
And the last thing I want to do before I log out permanently is apologize to Joe Brown and Mike Barskey and other people who hold themselves out there as poly. It is moments like this and people like me who give "poly" a bad name in general. I apologize that my actions adversely effect the way people see folks like yourselves. Joe, if you would, please remove my memberships from the NHPoly and FSPPoly sites. First thing this has all shown me is that I am not truly poly - rather I am a sick woman that needs to get help. I would imagine my years of sexual abuse is a predicator to all this - the rapes, the incest... still... I need help so I can be the best woman I can be for the man I do so truly love. The second thing is... *if* Bill will have me still, I do very much want to work on our marriage, and neither him nor I want to be "out there" as poly any longer. We are married to the exclusion of all others. Let it be known from now on. If you are anyone OTHER THAN BILL, if I seem to be "flirting" or "coming on to you", I am just being me and I mean nothing more. If you do decide to then proceed to "make a move" it is you who are violating the terms of my marriage.
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The Scoop is also ny2nh
Just an FYI.
No, but like ny2nh, I am tired of Ivy's lies and how she constantly gets away with misrepresenting herself and other people. The information is out there---just no one bothers to post it.
You were coming from the same IP.
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Sorry, Rebel.....don't need a guy who posts so many details on forums. : ) I prefer to not have the details of personal life in print on public forums, ya know?
Gotta have fun once in awhile. Sorry for the distraction from topic. At least I wasn't driving last night...
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Sharon is one slick bitch.
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Kate (Bill's ex-wife) is a class act
^this
You know, the kind of folks not likely to hang on the FTL BBS 8)
Not like me I guess.
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The Scoop is also ny2nh
Just an FYI.
No, but like ny2nh, I am tired of Ivy's lies and how she constantly gets away with misrepresenting herself and other people. The information is out there---just no one bothers to post it.
You were coming from the same IP.
Yes, because I asked her to post this stuff on FTL where I didn't have an account. Instead of posting it under her name but by me, she registered a new account, which was dumb because then yes, it would be the same IP as her account and look like she was posting it but trying to hide it, instead of posting something for me. So, she deleted it, I reregistered to take over the account and now it's mine.
Long story short, I should have just posted the crap myself but I thought it would be easier on me if I had ny2nh do it.
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Mmm kay.
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Ivy just handed it to coco... She's all reformed now, so don't touch :lol:
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Thanks for explaining what happened with the posts this morning.....I guess I didnlt have enough tea in me this morning! Try to do someone a favor and see what happens! :?
thescoop is right though - the background on Sharon is out there - cause you know what you post on the net never really goes away. What is funny is that most telling details come from Sharon herself - in her own words.
now, back to the regularly scheduled programming.....
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Ivy just handed it to coco... She's all reformed now, so don't touch :lol:
Her post was more damning to herself, wouldn't you say?
And, damn, why do men force her to act the way she does? Poor, poor Ivy. :shock:
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10660#msg10660
I remain completely shocked, that after all this time, all these completely crazy situations and bizarre attempts at explaining them....that people continue to be unable to see that Sharon is a mentally ill woman....which, in and of itself is not bad or reason for dismissal.....but, because of her (inexplicable) ability to con the same people over and over again, this mental illness has been allowed to twist and warp her mind and she seems to be unaware of it, herself.
I don't know how she sucks people in....but she does. Then she either cons them, uses them on an ongoing basis, or ruins their life and moves on. Over and over and over again, she does this.
Bill....take a look at your life. I guess you felt like the cool kid, when it was you crushing your long term, live in girlfriends/wifes heart....by making out with this wretched creature outside of bars, in front of all her friends...I guess you felt pretty spiffy. How about now....now that this woman is trashing YOUR heart, publically humiliating YOU? Now that your life savings has been dumped into this relationships failures, now that you have nothing...that everthing you've built up is gone. Now that your up to your ears in legal trouble...NOT because of your freedom fighting ways...but because your mentally ill spouse, who "looooves liberty" so much, has been exposed fora welfare queen, who felt that she was entitled to take money from the system, without paying into it. How does that fit in your "code"??
Are you confused by this womans sexual past? Because no one else is. She made it clear from day one, she is a very sexual person, who enjoys and sees no problem with many partners at once....who will go so far for sex, as to leave her (barely known to her, at the time) boyfriend in charge of her toddler son, while she's out with men and women doing whatever. She has led a very sexual life since any person here (OR in RI) has known her.....why would she stop now? Because she is your wife? Oh please, dude, give yourself a reality check! Oh....and congratulations....you know, now that she's pregnant and all. That's a big step for you guys...now, you are bound to this woman in flesh, for the rest of your life. I know that the true "shit" of that, will not sink in until much later, after you have truly seen her for what she is an realize what you have done to yourself...but truly, congrats on the baby part of it, you will never enjoy anything as much as you enjoy parenting. I just wish you much peace and patience in trying to parent with herr, after you guys are separated. Oh, and you will be....because she will continue to be who she is, and you will not tolerate it for the rest of your life. I would say, you won't tolerate it for another two years....you WILL see her pattern at some point and you will be forced to leave, for your kids sake and your own.
I am just so shocked that people are still unable to see how sick and crazy this woman is. She has conned her way through the free state, slept with anyone who would take her (I'm not saying THAT is wrong, I don't mind that some people are more sexual than others....it's just too bad that it has to come to a point of hurting others)...she has been involved in crime after crime, left people hanging for rent money, etc...and tried to say that they were "out to get her"...at what point will people stop looking at the government and "horrible" landlords saying "look at how they persecute her!" - and start seeing that, the woman is just a damn criminal? She takes, without paying. Some of you don't take issue with htat, when it comes to the government, but as a tax payer...I DO. I hate paying taxes, BECAUSE OF scumbags like Sharon, who think that tealing from the system is okay, because the system sucks. Well fuck you Sharon, because a lot of hard working families barely make it every month, but would NEVER take a red cent from the goverment....they don't want the blood money you so hapily lapped up fraudulently. But that's not even the half of it....landlords, private transactions with peope, Freestaters.....Sharon has taken and tkane and taken...not thinking that she should be hld accountable. It's digusting. I know we hate the goverment, that they do a fine job of creating a criminal out of an ordinary, good and decent person....THAT is a truth I KNOW exists....but it doesn't mean, that there is no such thing as a real criminal...and this woman, IS a criminal. She's not a nice person, she's a con. She lies BEST to herself...and is quite skilled at manipulating others, as well.
Anyway. I'm jut glad her son was taken away. To have this poor, sweet kid, living in the basement of that resturaunt is wrong. She's had one kid taken away already...for damn good reason, too: Because she is too selfish and ill to be a good mother, she is simply incapable of putting a child first. Bill: You will gain first hand knowledge of this act soon...just, wait for it.
To read her writing leaves me shaking my head...and sad. Sad, because the woman has missed her true calling. She would have made an awesome romance writer. She is excellent at making up stories, has a very creative mind when it comes to sexual encounters and well...just read her post above! "Nick, I can't give you what you need!" - "I told him no, no no no Nick! Leave....but then, THOSE EYES! I couldn't help myself...his aching loin was too powerful and the scent of him captured my wildest fantasies....his pulsing member pressed to my thigh....I thought of my husband, but it was too late......my impulse to take him to my lips was too strong...and I was lost in him.....I am but a woman, it wasn't my fault...." - she'd be perfect!
Oh, and Bil: "Taking advantage of her, in her pregnant, hormonal state?" Ummmmm, yeah, homones will mess with you....but being pregnant is not the equivelant of being passed out on a couch at a frat party. The woman is your goddamn wife. She has a duty to you, to uphold her commitment no matter what. Your wife messes around on you, and you're mad at the kid who she messed around with?? What? She's just a poor stupid woman?? He's a stud? What is it? Nick didn't stand in front of you and promise to love and honor you for the rest of his life....nick doesn't owe you a goddamn thing. SHARON, stood before you and promised to love you, to protect your heart always...to be your honorable wife. What she has described above...is an absolute mockery of that committment. THE FIRST TIME this kid stepped out of line, is when it should have ended. "Nick, I can't see you alone anymore, because I love my husband and your advances make me very uncomfortable. That shouldn't have been hard for her to say....but she didn't say it. She invited this person into her personal space, alone, over and over and over again. She's not stupid. "looking back now, I should've seen it" - BULLSHIT. This woman is a MASTER of social situations...she is a master manipulator and happens to be particularly skilled in the areas of emotional manipulation and sexual/social interaction....she knew EXACTLY what was going on...do not believe for ONE SECOND that Nick had the upper hand. Nick, no offense, you sound like a nice kid.....but Sharon Ankrom could chew you up and spit you out in her SLEEP. You could not have EVER had the upper hand in ANY social/sexual situation with this woman. She was not for an INSTANT confsued, unaware, uncomfortable or overpowered by your "sexual prowess". You didn't do anything that she didn't let you do....you didn't feel anything that she didn't know you were feeling. Meal after meal, movies, snuggling up on the couch? What the fuck is wrong with all of you people, that you would accept that as appropriate behavior from a married, not to mention pregnant, woman. That is out of control behavior. I'm no prude....but my spouse is snuggled up on a couch with someone of the opposite sex, after countless meals alone together and obvious advances and physical contact??? Give me a fucking break! My issue is not with the other person...it's with my spouse, who had no right nor reason to betray me like that.
This woman, is not weak, she is not one to be easily overpowered....she has an illness. Part of that, is an inability to resist sexual pyhical contact. This is not a wife, you leave alone for days or weeks at a time, while on business or whatever. Bill, if you accept this behavior and continue to leave her alone....your "Poor pretty little wife" is gonna have a lot more sob stories for you in the future.
Why doens't anyone see that she ALWAYS does this? Why can't people see her for what she is? See her constant insistence on spilling WAYYYY too much private information on the internet, for what it is?? It's ILLNESS. I-L-L-N-E-S-S.
She;s not a poor, unfortunate underdog. She's not a liberty lover. She's not a freedom fighter....she's an untreated, mentally ill person, who has found her niche. And you guys just sluuuuuuurp it right up. You know what? Have fun with that.....it will not end, so long as you remian so goddamn tickled by it.
Sharon: Congrats on the pregnancy. Maybe this time you should give your kid a shot at having a decent mother and get yourself into some sort of therapy which will help you to manage the crap in your head. You can't continue like this, for the rest of your life....burning bridges and moving on. Your mental illness makes you behave like a bad person....but I don't think, underneath it all, that you are. I think if you gave yourself a shot, you could stop feeling so empty and desperate inside. That the people who love you could actually beak through to you and fill your heart with the feling of peace that other feel in their intimate relationships. Seriously.
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A video of all of this would be called:
2 SUCKERS 1 SKANK
Thank yew.
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If you do decide to then proceed to "make a move" it is you who are violating the terms of my marriage.
And then I guess Bill will have to duel you to the death in order to protect her honor....or something like that?
Can't wait for new programming from my favorite station, KRZY!
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A video of all of this would be called:
2 SUCKERS 1 SKANK
Thank yew.
I'd pay to see that.
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OMG, Tammy has been on quite a roll today at the above thread. :shock: :lol: False alarm, it was someone else. But still juicy. In fact, that thread has become better than this one has. J'raxis even got called on to the carpet.
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Does anyone know if Ivy has private or state health insurance?
I'm wondering how she paid for the ultrasound at Elliot Hospital. It's not like she is rolling in money, and seems like it would be unnecessary this early.
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OMG, Tammy has been on quite a roll today at the above thread. :shock: :lol: False alarm, it was someone else. But still juicy. In fact, that thread has become better than this one has. J'raxis even got called on to the carpet.
Yea, I was gonna say--if you think that's Tammy, clearly you haven't read much of nhunderground. Tammy at least keeps her gloves on. Natalie doesn't bother and wears brass knuckles. She should post here, really. The atmosphere in this thread is why I wanted to post excerpts on this forum--the anti-Ivy sentiment is the highest of all boards. It's actually quite refreshing.
Does anyone know if Ivy has private or state health insurance?
I'm wondering how she paid for the ultrasound at Elliot Hospital. It's not like she is rolling in money, and seems like it would be unnecessary this early.
Well, considering the fact that they're $17000 in the whole, I'm assuming either they're holding a massive chip-in or they're on state insurance. Their restaurant doesn't even bring enough in for them to rent their own apartment, so I'm guessing we're paying for it. Sad, because I totally would have paid for the abortion...
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This thread is pretty juicy:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17103.0
It talks about how Ivy was almost evicted from her restaurant, and a bunch of other stuff.
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This thread is pretty juicy:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17103.0
It talks about how Ivy was almost evicted from her restaurant, and a bunch of other stuff.
Blackie, you shoulda posted it. I want Tammy's take on it, since she's so involved and all, I guess. thescoop, that's hilarious how you say that Natty wears brass knuckles, she is feisty. She was even givin it to Ian on his own site.
I fear this thread may be on ice for awhile, since Ivy has gone awol on the internet forums. Blackie and beej need to say something funny (on topic).
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$17000
Step off, Punky Brewster. Ultrasounds are not 17k.
Not that it matters, because nobody pays cash.
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$17000
Step off, Punky Brewster. Ultrasounds are not 17k.
Not that it matters, because nobody pays cash.
I think an ultrasound isn't much more than a couple hundred bucks.
I think the $17,000 is what Ivy has said Bill put on credit to keep the restaurant running. And Bill drained $20,000 of savings.
It seems like if the landlord tried to evict them, but couldn't, he won't be renewing the lease. I wonder when it ends.
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The freedom and awesomeness of the liberty activists I could hang out with is intoxicating.
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Blackie and beej need to say something funny (on topic).
I FOUND THIS ON THE INNERNET
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9167/watssa.jpg)
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The freedom and awesomeness of the liberty activists I could hang out with is intoxicating.
Yeah, who needs alcohol?
Beej, so coco got lucky after all...
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The freedom and awesomeness of the liberty activists I could hang out with is intoxicating.
LOL! @ ^This.
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What is the deal...Ivy had/has cervical or ovarian cancer?
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$17000
Step off, Punky Brewster. Ultrasounds are not 17k.
Not that it matters, because nobody pays cash.
I think an ultrasound isn't much more than a couple hundred bucks.
I think the $17,000 is what Ivy has said Bill put on credit to keep the restaurant running.
Oh. "In the whole" messed me up.
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$17000
Step off, Punky Brewster. Ultrasounds are not 17k.
Not that it matters, because nobody pays cash.
I think an ultrasound isn't much more than a couple hundred bucks.
I think the $17,000 is what Ivy has said Bill put on credit to keep the restaurant running.
Oh. "In the whole" messed me up.
Now, that's what I like to hear.
What is the deal...Ivy had/has cervical or ovarian cancer?
Rattydog (the chick that was goin off on FK and current member at nhfree) says not, it's just an excuse or rallying point.
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What is the deal...Ivy had/has cervical or ovarian cancer?
Oh, so she's not pregant...it's just a toomah?
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What is the deal...Ivy had/has cervical or ovarian cancer?
Oh, so she's not pregant...it's just a toomah?
No, I think it's just a roomah!
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What is the deal...Ivy had/has cervical or ovarian cancer?
Oh, so she's not pregant...it's just a toomah?
It looks like a rumor that was going around back in Feb.
RattyDog on February 12, 2009
Her list of lies is long and CONTINUES to grow (she does not have cancer (cervical OR ovarian) BTW, she continues to tell that one)....
Does anyone have first hand knowledge of Ivy telling people she has cancer?
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What is the deal...Ivy had/has cervical or ovarian cancer?
Oh, so she's not pregant...it's just a toomah?
It looks like a rumor that was going around back in Feb.
RattyDog on February 12, 2009
Her list of lies is long and CONTINUES to grow (she does not have cancer (cervical OR ovarian) BTW, she continues to tell that one)....
Does anyone have first hand knowledge of Ivy telling people she has cancer?
It's probably past Tammy's bedtime, so no.
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She probably just has HPV (extremely common), which can cause cervical/ovarian cancer, and it was a simple stretch to fib and say she had it. I've known chicks like that (and dudes, too), they are just trying to milk all the attention they can get, they have no compunction about lying, for sympathy, sexual attention, money, food, a place to crash that night, a ride to the bus station, access to your liquor cabinet, your stash of rare gold coins, your prescription medicine, whatever. I call them "501ers," 'cause like on The Price is Right, if you bid "$500" they'll go "$501." If you have a great story, they have one very similar, only better. If you won the lottery, their dad owns the lottery. If you saw the Batmobile at a museum on your vacation, their uncle let them drive it when he was working on the TV show last year. You favorite band? They went to high school with them. And on, and on, and on. You know what I mean?
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She probably just has HPV (extremely common), which can cause cervical/ovarian cancer, and it was a simple stretch to fib and say she had it. I've known chicks like that (and dudes, too), they are just trying to milk all the attention they can get, they have no compunction about lying, for sympathy, sexual attention, money, food, a place to crash that night, a ride to the bus station, access to your liquor cabinet, your stash of rare gold coins, your prescription medicine, whatever. I call them "501ers," 'cause like on The Price is Right, if you bid "$500" they'll go "$501." If you have a great story, they have one very similar, only better. If you won the lottery, their dad owns the lottery. If you saw the Batmobile at a museum on your vacation, their uncle let them drive it when he was working on the TV show last year. You favorite band? They went to high school with them. And on, and on, and on. You know what I mean?
I'm curious to see what Tammy has to say tomorrow...
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I'm starting to run out of juice on this one.
Lemme know if anyone gets RADed or something.
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On a serious note, I'm glad that Ivy was on Sam's side recently. But, her character is on thin ice as I see it.
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People are saying she has a sickness or something, and she needs therapy. I think she said that too.
What sickness makes it so a chick can't keep penises out of her mouth?
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People are saying she has a sickness or something, and she needs therapy. I think she said that too.
What sickness makes it so a chick can't keep penises out of her mouth?
why hasn't coco posted here recently. Staying outta dodge?
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Is Ivy going to Porc Fest? She could raise money for the FSP. 25 cents a ride.
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Is Ivy going to Porc Fest? She could raise money for the FSP. 25 cents a ride.
You redeemed yourself :lol:
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Is Ivy going to Porc Fest? She could raise money for the FSP. 25 cents a ride.
You redeemed yourself :lol:
IMMA SAVIN MAH QUARTERS
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Is Ivy going to Porc Fest? She could raise money for the FSP. 25 cents a ride.
You redeemed yourself :lol:
IMMA SAVIN MAH QUARTERS
Oh, you're hoping for some handouts/jobs?
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What sickness makes it so a chick can't keep penises out of her mouth?
Cockslobomania?
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Is Ivy going to Porc Fest? She could raise money for the FSP. 25 cents a ride.
You redeemed yourself :lol:
IMMA SAVIN MAH QUARTERS
Oh, you're hoping for some handouts/jobs?
I'm looking for some economic stimulus, if you know what I mean.
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I'm starting to run out of juice on this one.
Lemme know if anyone gets RADed or something.
Mix ingredients, simmer one week.
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Is Ivy going to Porc Fest? She could raise money for the FSP. 25 cents a ride.
You redeemed yourself :lol:
IMMA SAVIN MAH QUARTERS
Oh, you're hoping for some handouts/jobs?
I'm looking for some economic stimulus, if you know what I mean.
Perfect and priceless.
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I'm starting to run out of juice on this one.
Lemme know if anyone gets RADed or something.
Mix ingredients, simmer one week.
Next week it will be revealed that Ivy was impregnated by Ian in some sort of reverse-vasectomy miracle.
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I think my appellation has a nicer ring to it, rolls off the tongue, if you catch my drift... but eh, you wont find it in DSM-V or nothin'.
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I think my appellation has a nicer ring to it, rolls off the tongue, if you catch my drift... but eh, you wont find it in DSM-V or nothin'.
Gosh, I refreshed and hoped to see something different, but no. Wth?
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The freedom and awesomeness of the liberty activists I could hang out with is intoxicating.
There are 1200+ signed on FSP folks in NH and another 200 or so that hang out with us. I don't think this is too much drama for 1400 folks.
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Keith said it. But, beej is on point.
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The freedom and awesomeness of the liberty activists I could hang out with is intoxicating.
There are 1200+ signed on FSP folks and another 100 or so that hang out with us. I don't think this is too much drama for 1300 folks.
If this were the only example that would mean something.
Previous Ivy stuff.
Travis horse thing with the state being called in.
AnarchoJesse crap. (Multiple)
Crap with Ridley getting bitched at about using someone's name.
Many other things, that I'm sure other people can chime in on and detail.
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First of all people. Do not believe a single word that bitch says. She lies about everything.
Lying to people in order to gain their sympathy? Yeah. that is her all right. She habitually lies to people in order to play on their sympathies and their emotions and their good will. She also uses her kid all the god damned time in order to get people's pity. You'd think that such a loving mother would develop a damn work ethic so she wouldn't have to beg every other week for some kind of handout from us. One week she needs people to give her money for groceries, the next it is to help her pay her rent. Then it is to give her a ride somewhere. Then it is to help bail her out of jail. Then it is to pay the rent. Or after sucking the bank account and destroying the credit of the man she allegedly loves [see how long the love lasts after they are out of business] she needs money to pay the electric bill.
SHE'S A FUCKING PARASITE!
While my cheating with Nick did involve some sexual actions, we did not actually engage in intercourse. I want to make that very clear. (Gee, Nick, for someone who thinks I'm "just the most awesome-est girl [you've] ever met" - thanks for "throwing me under the bus" by not at least defending me there - I sure appreciate it...)
What a fucking trashy whore. That skank has a lot of fucking gall to expect to defending by Nick in a situation like that. She is perhaps one of the most self-absorbed thoughtless bitches that I've ever seen. She's lucky to be defended by anyone. Jesus H Christ. I think the only reason why some guys like J’raxis defends her so much is because she is the only woman who willingly touched his penis without being paid. She expected Nick to actually defend her hillbilly white trash ass and then proceeds to make him out to be a fucking date rapist?
And she actually expects people to believe that she actually told Nick no? I don't think the word NO is even in her vocabulary.
Additionally, we conceived on March 20th, and, since February 14, 2008 until March 20, 2009 when she was conceived, I have not had sexual intercourse with any other man (Not that it is any of your businesses...)
So she didn't fuck anyone else for a little over a month? Must have been some kind of personal record for her. Does this mean that she was fucking some other guy on February 13th? February 14th was a special day only for Bill huh? There was no sexual intercourse in that time period? Perhaps it means that she was only giving out blow jobs for that month. That is of course if she is telling the truth. Of course she is likely lying about this as well.
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I need more.
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what more do you want?
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to keep this thread on point
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Kat Kanning got botox.
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Kat Kanning got botox.
I won't talk about Kat. She's too cool.
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Russ Kanning got botox.
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Ivy's had more pricks than a second hand dartboard
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I think my appellation has a nicer ring to it, rolls off the tongue, if you catch my drift... but eh, you wont find it in DSM-V or nothin'.
Gosh, I refreshed and hoped to see something different, but no. Wth?
Uh... I posted this:
Cockslobomania?
I thought it was kinda funny, but I take it you're not a fan?
Anyway, based on this thread and all the stuff at freekeene.com, I think Ivy is WHORE-ible. How's that for a play on words?
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Ivy's had more pricks than a second hand dartboard
lol
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So she didn't fuck anyone else for a little over a month?
It's a year.
Also, there is no need to hate on J. J is a nice guy that does a ton of activism.
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So she didn't fuck anyone else for a little over a month?
It's a year.
Also, there is no need to hate on J. J is a nice guy that does a ton of activism.
Who the hell is J?
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J’raxis
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What the hell does activism have to do with it? Someone should get a pass because they are good activists?
I'm just a bit curious as to why J'raxis is such a vehement defender of Ivy anyways. It is almost to the point of absolute blind devotion. I do not understand it. Especially since it is devotion directed towards someone who is a complete reprobate.
Anyways, just because you don't have a reason to be hating on J'raxis doesn't mean other people don't have their reasons.
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I was giving brownie points to Ivy for helping Sam out so much.........until I remembered she was sucking the CDEF dry while she was doing it. Guess where I WON'T be donating?
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This is what kills me about the whole Sam deal. Who in their right minds would allow Ivy to represent them? She is not a lawyer and I can think of at least 4 free staters who are lawyers. Why not hire one of them? I'm sure one of them might have been willing. I am not sure about anyone else but I'd rather have someone who knows what they are doing actually represent me. She's supposed to be some kind of legal guru because she got out of a fucking ticket? Give me a fucking break.
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I was giving brownie points to Ivy for helping Sam out so much.........until I remembered she was sucking the CDEF dry while she was doing it. Guess where I WON'T be donating?
Reaaallly. Anyone know how much she got out of that?
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I post on freekeene and while Sam was inside I asked for an upload (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=799.msg8632#msg8632) of one of the publicly available documents in Sam's case file - Ivy wouldn't post it (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=799.msg8638#msg8638). :? Her explanation didn't make sense but whatever.
I really didn't understand that. I thought they should have put out all the documentation on the case.
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$17000
Step off, Punky Brewster. Ultrasounds are not 17k.
Not that it matters, because nobody pays cash.
I think an ultrasound isn't much more than a couple hundred bucks.
I think the $17,000 is what Ivy has said Bill put on credit to keep the restaurant running.
Oh. "In the whole" messed me up.
Now, that's what I like to hear.
What is the deal...Ivy had/has cervical or ovarian cancer?
Rattydog (the chick that was goin off on FK and current member at nhfree) says not, it's just an excuse or rallying point.
Yea, sorry--the $17,000 was in reference to the amount Bill charged to his credit card. When I had my ultrasound last year, it only cost around $250 or so. Disturbingly enough, I had it at the same place as Ivy. I might have to go somewhere else for my next kid...what if they don't sterilize the equipment properly.
As far as the ovarian cancer/cervical cancer thing, RattyDog says that she said she had cancer and was "treating it by drinking berry tea" or something like that. The only semi-relevant quote I can find where she lambasts the government forcing chemo on people:
by forcing me to the doctor, injecting me with poisons, "examaning" me with radiation, all in the name of 'prevention'??!!! AAHHCCKKK!!!! No thank you, I opt out of this psychotic system... I'll die when it's my time, not scramble for decades racing against the clock of a particular disease to stick around for a few more tortured years.
" The former North Carolina senator said all presidential candidates talking about health care "ought to be asked one question: Does your plan cover every single American?" "Because if it doesn't they should be made to explain what child, what woman, what man in America is not worthy of health care," he said. "Because in my view, everybody is worth health care." "
because the American people are apparently too stupid to take care of themselves that you, Mr. Edwards, must do it for them? Please take your personal fears from your wife's conditions out of my life. Thank you.
If 'they' are so concerned about the health of every American, why do they restrict or ban a vast majority of homeopathic treatments and remedies and books educating the general public on such topics.... ohh ohh I know!! They don't make a fucking profit on them...
I'm not sure if the information Natalie has is from a conversation with Ivy or from some of her now missing forum posts.
But in order to entertain and inform, I will now be providing an excerpt from Ivy's writings, in which she wows a bunch of butch female prison inmates and does not have sex with them. Seriously, considering how she thinks everyone wants to sleep with her, I think she should wear a sign that says "don't come within 3 feet of me. I'm in a committed monogamous relationship" or else she's going to constantly be accusing everyone of violating her marriage contract.
. The Cranston Hilton
I must say, my recent interchange was indeed a pleasant surprise – if ever an interchange with this police state is pleasant. Appalled at the circumstance of my arrest, the officers of the North Kingstown Police Department were actually quite respectful and cordial and even went above and beyond what they could have, and perhaps should have.
My ex-husband arrived to pick up my daughter, fiance in tow, and bearing a new contract for our newly negotiated custody terms. As we sat to discuss all the new additions - issues that the fiance had in the past, so I was well aware that they were *her* additions, not his - she could not just sit there and allow us, this child's parents, to discuss these new items on the contract. After much ado, I called the police to have her removed from my home. They arrived, and did so.
When she got out into the yard, she started flipping out. At one point she said to one of the officers "Run her name, I can guarantee you she has warrants!!" (at least that's what they tell me...) I'm not sure what they were thinking, but, they complied with the request of the offender, and ran my name. Sure enough, I had missed court on an earlier "Driving on Suspended" charge and there was a Bench Warrant issued for "Failure to Appear".
The officers just laughed, amused by my plight. They agreed, "Miss, we did come here to help you out, and I do apologize, but we will have to take you in." and "Didn't you know you had a warrant? Why did you even call?" They made small talk on the drive, and claimed they were impressed with my intellect - or perhaps that was sarcasm... we talked politics and my impending move. They warned me not to tell the judge I am moving or they might hold me.
When we got to the station (and I've been through this a dozen times at least, so I know they were not following standard procedure here) they were very very polite about the booking. They allowed me to use my phone book in my cell and dial on their phone and make several phone calls to let people know where I was and what was going on. (I felt it only fair to cooperate with this department, since they had been quite lenient.)
Then the news comes from downstairs. Apparently, I am a serious offender of sorts, because this warrant was issued with "Held for hearing without bail". (I'll admit, I do tend to not show up to traffic court... the whole world might shut down because of it - watch out! Keep her in prison!) So rather than being held at the police department until the evening duty bail commissioner could be aroused from his evening of Jeopardy, they were told to process me and ship me off to the Adult Correctional Facility, otherwise endearingly known by us Rhode Islanders as "The Cranston Hilton".
Knowing that the ACI will only return your cell phone via the mail, I ask if I can call my mother to come to the station to pick up my phone. The officer agrees. As I start to talk to my mom, he interrupts and says, "We're driving by there anyways, let her know we will drop it off." My jaw drops in amazement, and I tell my mother and, as promised, he dropped off the phone on the way by my house.
Once at The Hilton, I was greeted by a strangely friendly Intake CO. She was an older woman, probably early 60's by the sign of her silver head. She made some nice small talk as she took the paperwork from the officer and looked me up. She definitely seem out of place in comparison to my previous visit to The Hilton where the Intake CO was angry, rude, violent, and unsympathetic and could have cared less that there was a difference between me, an offender of simply driving on a suspended license, as opposed to the other girls in there, most of which were crackheads or dopefiends. No, this officer patted me kindly on the shoulder and offered me a tidbit of grandmotherly advice. "There are some new rules since you were here last.", she said. "If you refuse the strip search, you will be put in your own room away from the general population where you will have your own television and served your meals in your room. You will be confined to this room away from everyone else until you go to court tomorrow, where you will probably be released. Will you submit to a strip search?", as she smiles at me. Clearly she wasn't able to TELL me not to, but was suggesting I don't submit... I was surprised and, of course, refused the search.
She then asked me several questions (name, address, scars, tattoos, etc.) to which I continually replied "What information you already have is all you will be supplied with." She smiled knowingly and nodded, simply copying the previous paperwork. I was informed that the name you enter the ACI under for the first time is the name you are known as at the ACI for the rest of your life. I laughed and said, "Well if I don't respond when called, at least you'll know why!" She smiled and pointed me to the small room to her right...
On to 'records and processing' where the man was informed "Take good care of this one, we don't want her to get lost with the rest of them..." (Apparently that's CO talk for "She's not a crackhead.") Again I was greeted with a calm and pleasant demeanor, unlike my last stay. I again refuse to either confirm or deny any questions - all of course were identical to the ones the Intake CO had just asked me. He respected that and read the file instead of harassing me - a strange change of behavior from my last stay as well!
Back to Intake. She hands me a plastic bag of jail clothes and led me to the shower room and left me alone to change. I thought I was in the twilight zone at this point, amazed at the difference between the last stay and this one. You mean I even get privacy to change???
So I get changed. She peaks in the window to see if I'm done and comes in with a hanger and a tag for my street clothes, hangs them for me, and says "Right this way." I'm closed into a nice, quiet, darkened room (ahh, I can actually get some sleep!) with my own tv. She comes back about a half hour later with two 'boxes' of cereal and a carton of milk. "I thought you might be hungry since it seems you were arrested around dinner time." I nod and thank her and ate as I watched TV. (At this point it's almost better than being at home with screaming kids running around! LOL!)
Well, then I'm called to go visit the nurse... an event that happens at the beginning of each stay at any jail.
(On a side note: This is where I had my biggest issue during my last stay. Not only must you submit to a TB test, but they require you to allow them to draw your blood. They tell you it is for a HIV screening, but what they don't overtly mention is on the consent form it also says "any left-over blood is to be used at the discretion of the RI DOC for research or any other purpose it deems necessary." WHAT???!!! So, what, you're going to create clones of me??? Or even just simply keep my DNA on file to frame me in some other crime??? You've got to be kidding me!)
Well I learned the hard way during my last stay, that, if you refuse to allow them to draw your blood you are sent to the I-wing (isolation) and there you stay until two things happen: a) you consent, and then also b) after you consent you serve time in iso for not consenting in the first place. (Believe me, that was not a fun time, but another story for another day...) During this time, it does not matter if you have a court date which will let you out of jail. No, if you are in iso, you stay in iso until they let you out of iso.
Knowing I had so much riding on me on the outside, I signed the consent after much discussion with the nurse (who could care less) about how I really don't agree to this. I did draw a line through the part allowing them to use any 'left-over' for any purpose and wrote a clear emphatic "No!", though I would doubt that would do any good. I'm sure they care less about my consent once the blood is in their hands. Five sticks later (this clown actually is a nurse???) I return to my room and slept like a baby - you know, waking up every few hours.
The next morning I am woken by my door being rudely pounded on and that black bitch of a CO Perkins screaming "Clark! Get up! Pack your stuff! You have court today!" No shit, I'm thinking to myself, what the hell time is it anyways. I flip on the TV... it's 6:02am. You're kidding, right? The 'bus' doesn’t leave for the court house for another two and a half hours... *sigh* As she walks back on by after giving the same shout into all the rooms for those girls that also had court, she slams my door open, turning off my TV, screaming in my face "No TV before noon!!!" I'm supposed to know the rules how exactly? Curious... last time there were no TVs at all... and it's not like they have a sign on the wall saying 'obey this', right?
The morning was a game of guessing the rules and trying to comply - playing the game in order to get out. I hated Perkins the last time and I hate her even more after this time. I think she was pissed about the fact that I was segregated into my own room and she had to serve me my breakfast. After breakfast was served to me, or rather thrown at me, those of us going to court had to line up to get our 'court clothes' aka our street clothes we came in with. Each were required to be subjected to a strip search (WHAT?? You have to be strip searched to come in to this place, AND to leave this place??? That sure as hell doesn't make any sense...). I almost thought about piping up and asking about refusing again, but I also just wanted to get the hell outta there. We all went to court and, as any of you reading this probably know, I was issued a $500.00 cash bail on my "Failure to appear" warrant and a new court date on my "Driving on Suspended" charge for that following Friday.
The rest of the week was much like this, though after returning from court I was put into one of the 'general population' intake rooms, (there was no mention this time of the "new rule" about refusing a strip search from CO Perkins... go figure.)
The Intake CO (Corrigan I think her name was - her first name was Cathy -the granny lady) was sweet and nice and worked the evening shift. When she was on I was allowed to make phone calls on her desk phone, I was not required to use the monitored 'collect call' phone on the wall that the other inmates used (though I certainly didn't abuse that privilege). Most nights she found me a snack too. I could tell she worked there because she really cared for the girls and in some way wanted to help them, not so much that she felt the need to 'enforce law and order' by being a CO. I cried when I called Beth both times... mainly cuz I love her so much and it meant so much to me that she was going to do whatever she could for me, but also cuz it's one thing when you're just busy and can't see your friends, it's a whole other when you know damn well you can not see your friends under any circumstance no way no how. Cathy patted me on my shoulder...
Third shift CO we never really saw.
And Morning shift was Perkins... *sigh*. Maybe she just has a thing for athletic white women, jealous or something, cuz she's a hefty bitch herself... man did that bitch ride me. I couldn't breathe without her watching and yelling at me about something. *shrugs* whatever, I played her game, pathetic as it was to watch. I wondered how insecure one must be in order to feel the need to control others so much.
The COs were one story, but you also must deal with the other inmates. I mostly kept my mouth shut and my eyes on the TV or the ground and everyone left me alone, but there is a point where you have to prove why you should be left alone. HA! Okay, so Tuesday afternoon when I get back to court, we were all called out to go into the yard or the gym for recreation. I get down to the gym, and the girls are separated into two groups: the tiny, skinny crackwhores are all lined up along the wall and sitting on the Pilates balls, pretending to "lift weights" with 2lb dumbbells; the larger, mostly black or Hispanic, 'tough girls' were all gathered around the heavy exercise equipment trying to show off and show each other up with how much they can lift.
I watched the amusing dance between the big girls and the tiny ones. The little ones talking trash, until a big one actually stood up and headed for her, then begging for mercy and forgiveness. Eventually I left my corner and slowly made my way to the machines. I notice one of the biggest toughest broads thus far was working the pull-down machine and only pulling about 90lbs. I chuckle to myself, and calmly wait until she finishes. She eyes me threateningly as she gets up and gestures for me to sit. I smile a thank you and oblige. I move the pin down to 135, an easy number for me to pull, and proceed to do a set of 15 reps, her eyes getting wider with each.
She saunters over to the weight bench. She calls to me "What's your name?" as she lays down. "Ivy" I say quietly as I stretch before starting my next set. She sets up the bar with 80lbs and starts doing chest presses. I stand up from the machine when I finish my second set and lean on the wall by the rack of free weights. She finishes her set, barely pushing five reps, and gets up gesturing for me to take a turn. I load on 20 more lbs on each side for a 120lb press and do 10 reps easily. She watches in amazement. I then head over to the angled bench and pick up the 15lb dumbbells and proceed to do three sets of 15 butterfly presses. I stand up, nod politely at her, and walk out of the gym. All I hear behind me as I leave is "OH SHIT!! DID YOU GUYS SEE THAT BITCH??!! HOLY SHIT THAT'S AMAZING!"
Well needless to say, I survived. From that moment on, all the tiny chicks wanted to be my best friend, and all the big girls gave me tons of respect. There's not much chance to disobey the COs if you actually want to get out of there quickly, otherwise, you're in iso indefinitely, and I wasn't having that this time around.
When I got to court on Friday, after her verdict, the judge pulls down her glasses, looks me in the eyes and, smiling, says "You know, you'll never serve time on this kind of charge, so just show up to court next time!" *sigh* yeah, judge, i'm sure i will...
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The freedom and awesomeness of the liberty activists I could hang out with is intoxicating.
There are 1200+ signed on FSP folks and another 100 or so that hang out with us. I don't think this is too much drama for 1300 folks.
If this were the only example that would mean something.
Previous Ivy stuff.
Travis horse thing with the state being called in.
AnarchoJesse crap. (Multiple)
Crap with Ridley getting bitched at about using someone's name.
Many other things, that I'm sure other people can chime in on and detail.
When you hear about how awesome this FSP thing is and then go check it out, you get led to forums that have this drama shit in them. Then you watch videos about the "superactivists" and mixed in with them are some moron who can't carry a gun correctly planting a garden in a park which has no context and just looks stupid and kooky. Then when it's criticized all the other cult members FSP members crawl out of the woodwork and bash the person for saying it was stupid. Then you go to PorcFest, get bored out of your mind for 3 days and get the impression that all these cult members FSP members think they're better than anyone that isn't already in NH and not willing to get their ass thrown in jail.
So no, there isn't a lot of a drama, just a lot of kooks running around acting like what they're doing is so fuckin' important and the rest of us are no better than pond scum unless we're willing to move to NH RIGHT NOW and do EXACTLY what they think we should be doing.
Now here comes the endless "The FSP isn't only..." posts. Save it. I've heard that excuse before.
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This is what kills me about the whole Sam deal. Who in their right minds would allow Ivy to represent them? She is not a lawyer and I can think of at least 4 free staters who are lawyers. Why not hire one of them? I'm sure one of them might have been willing. I am not sure about anyone else but I'd rather have someone who knows what they are doing actually represent me. She's supposed to be some kind of legal guru because she got out of a fucking ticket? Give me a fucking break.
Hey she read some books. If you can put the sign down long enough to actually read something, then you're an expert.
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FSP members think they're better than anyone that isn't already in NH and not willing to get their ass thrown in jail.
How many of the 1200 FSP folks in NH has been arrested? You are silly.
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People are saying she has a sickness or something, and she needs therapy. I think she said that too.
What sickness makes it so a chick can't keep penises out of her mouth?
why hasn't coco posted here recently. Staying outta dodge?
What's there to say?
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FSP members think they're better than anyone that isn't already in NH and not willing to get their ass thrown in jail.
How many of the 1200 FSP folks in NH has been arrested? You are silly.
Did you read the rest or would you prefer not have that context? I've lurked on several message boards, that is the impression I get. I've gone to PorcFest, that is the impression I got. I used to listen to FTL, that was the impression I got.
Now keep the rose-colored glasses on and pretend the vast amount of FSP media isn't about some bullshit futile exercise in freedom that will do nothing but make the "activist" look like a brave hero.
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It does seem like a very small minority that cause the majority of drama.
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Shit. You're right. The FSP has failed. That's it, I'm leaving Concord.
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The FSP has already failed. I'm leaving Concord.
OH GOD YOU'RE SO FUNNY
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Just to clarify my identity and that of some other posters here and on other forums.....
I am ny2nh. I am not thescoop - although I know that individual - and obviously we have similar viewpoints. I am also not sosolurker. She was correct that our writing styles are vastly different, although we also have similar viewpoints.
Contrary to what some would have to say about things, those who know me in real life would say I'm really not some cold, heartless bastard. They'd probably warn you not to cross me, but generally it takes something significant to cross that line with me.....but once you have, good luck getting back over that line. :shock: I am also not someone who tolerates people using other people.
I might come across as some crazed woman who has some sort of vendetta against Ivy. The same could be said about sosolurker, thescoop, evil muppet, and many others - but for me it's mostly amazement that so many people are willing to look the other way or choose to she what they would like to believe....that is not only sad, it can be worrisome when you know things and you really just want to warn other so that they aren't the next victim. I'm going to do my best to paint this picture of what I have watched over the past 20 months or so. I am including excepts of emails and postings - with names often omitted intentionally. Take them for what you will. I have things I would love to post, but there is really no way to protect the identity of the people involved and I really don't want to drag so many completely innocent people into her drama again. There are also random tidbits that are really just random, but oh well.
Sharon/Ivy moved to NH less than 2 years ago. Can all of this drama have really occurred in such a short period of time? More drama has surrounded her probably more than the rest of the FSP members combined. This is not because of me - or Natalie or Rob or even Bill - it is because of Sharon and Sharon alone. When I first met Sharon back at Kevin's Roll's NYE 06/07 party, I remember getting that gut feeling that she was an odd duck. I met Beth that night as well - didn't get that feeling even though they were there together with some other RI folks all hanging out and acting the same. I thought little about it as it was just a gut feeling.
Some 7 months or so later, Beth introduced us to Sharon with the 1st in her lastest dilemmas - the loss of welfare benefits and a fed agency investigating her for not paying taxes, etc. Ironically that is where we are now as well. I thought, wow tough break for a single mom and she should get out of there as soon as she can. Then I read that her move was delayed because she was in jail in RI (see thescoop's post about the Cranston Hilton). Again, I'm thinking this woman is a bit off.....but I'm figuring it is just me that is thinking this.
Eventually she moves to NH, gets an apartment, picks up Rob ad a roomie to watch Peter and Caroline while she waitressed at Murphy's - where for the record she was given a job because she was a new mover in search of a job. She was given a break that she ultimately screwed up.
October '07 was when the feds were in search of Rob. Ivy was in the middle of that and that was when I think I first realized that her and Rob were far more than roommates. Again, whatever.
Then there was the Rob thing - you know where she claimed that Rob tried to kill her or threatened to kill her and she feared for her life and was desperately in need of an emergency babysitter. On the surface, I would say, oh my this poor woman....but that gut feeling still caused me doubts. She actually confided in me about her fears and I suggested she get the restraining order - because she described a situation where she appeared to be in danger.
On 11/14/07, Sharon Ankrom <ivyleague28477@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am really sorry you feel that way. It makes me very sad. The problem did not resolve when Rob moved out - he had continued to
escalate his behavior and expanded it to include others. I'm sure there is much that you don't know about the whole situation - there is much that many don't know, and many lies based on speculations being spread by others also leading to lots of misinformation. I'll drop the restraining order based on your opinions if you decide to come sleep on my couch every night - armed - until I feel safe again. I'm sorry you don't understand how I could feel afraid of him, but I do. And once I feel safe again, the restraining order will be gone. It won't be long.
As far as what I have done here, any free minute I have is involved in something political or something to do with this movement. I've done lit-drops and phone calls for both Phil and RP, I've done sign waves for Lauren and RP, even now I'm working two days this week with Andy at RP headquarters. I'm working with Keith in his mission to 'take over' the republican committee in Manchester. And there is more... but you've never even given me a chance to get to know me or be involved in my life to know all that I have done or am doing.
Regardless, I shouldn't have to prove my political worth because someone else threatened to kill me. Those were his choices, not mine. I'm not sure what other trouble I have stirred up in your opinion, but I'd be willing to try and explain those actions as well if you'd let me.
Sharon
I managed the campaign she mentions and she made a dozen phone calls maybe and dropped lit on one street. Andy told me she was exaggerating about doing stuff for RP as well. She wasn't working with Keith to take over the MRC - I know because I was the one working with Keith to get more liberty-oriented people elected in the MRC. She tries to make it sound like she is doing all this stiff, but really what she was doing is minimal and far less than many others were doing. Not that it really matters - but the point is that she makes things up as she goes along.
12/30/07
I'm talking to Sharon a lot because I'm in the thick of the whole Rob thing. I have a conversation during which she walks into a bank, tries to cash a couple of checks (one of which was given to her by Kevin, she said) and goes totally ballistic when they won't do it for her...
Wasn't but a few days later, we're on the phone and she mentions how stressed out she is by the whole Rob situation...that she;s mad that she's losing friends over it. I ask her if anyone had straight told her they hated her. She broke down sobbing and went on and on about how: Kevin Roll disowned me, he told me never to speak to him or about ever again, that he hates me and never wants to see my face again and that I'm never to go near his house again, blah blah blah, he was my really good friend and I'm just really sad to lose him, anybody else I could handle but he is my really god friend, blah blah blah, he came to the Taproom and he was barking these orders at me and treating me like a dog in front of everyone and then when he left he didn't even tip me!
There was the Freestater Thanksgiving she organized. I went - it seemed like a nice idea. I suggested to her that she approach Karl about using his house....which is where we ended up. Everyone brought food. Oddly enough, Sharon never planned for tables or chairs....so we all ate on the floor or the stairs. She left the party early and left the mess to be cleaned up by Kate and Karl. Nice.
She was flirtatious and word got around that she was easy. Whatever. People starting commenting on how she touched the men at Murphy's more than a waitress normally would....and I was surprised to hear this from these guys.
I had decided back then that I really didn't want to be around her - at all. My gut told me more and more that she was unstable. As time went by, it was a relief to hear of so many people who had interactions with her say exactly the things I had been thinking - that she was trouble, that there was something off about her, that they were just staying clear of that one. I actually stopped going to Murphy's because having to deal with her was just irritating me.
Then Ivy got fired from Murphy's. She blamed me. She had to blame someone. I was there the night she claims all hell broke lose and I got here fired. I remember it all clearly. I went in with a friend for a beer and I asked the manager which section Ivy wasn't working in....and sat there. As I was there, she was cleaning tables all around where we were - even though it wasn't her section at all. She was eavesdropping...I could tell. Before I left I went to say goodbye to the owner & manager and I was asked why I hadn't been in a few weeks. Sharon was standing right there trying to listen to our conversation and the manager noticed, so we went out back. I explained that I didn't want to be around her at all. The owner told me they were receiving a lot of complaints and he was concerned because she seemed to be working her way through the male customers...and then these guys weren't coming back. That was the extent of my participation in getting her fired. I would share the emails that the owner shared with me - but as I said, it would harm too many good people. :(
Then Sharon got evicted from her apartment. She told some story of how the landlord wasn't repairing things, etc. so she just wasn't paying the rent. Sound familiar - that is exactly what she also said happened at the restaurant in Bristol. Alec was going to sublet an apartment to her. She didn't even have the decency to tell him that she lost her job and had no way to pay the rent before she moved in. Nice way to use your "friends".
1/7/08:
When I was helping Sharon and Rob try to get beyond the whole drama thing.....I got a really fucking bizarre look into her life, she is a sick person. She is sick and very much lost and maybe it's not her fault.....but it is what it is. She does this....she gets involved with people and creates really dramatic situations and escalates them out of control.....she doesn't care who goes down in the process...she just does this over and over again. It's sick. I just don't want to see you wrapped up in this BS. She is not discreet...she is not nice. Just...be careful. It's none of my business...I know that.
1/10/08: Sharon wrote:
this is why i have one close female friend, and only one or two more i actually talk to about anything at all.
this is why women don't get involved with the FSP.
it's not that they feel they are not welcome by the men, or the project itself has nothing to offer women... it's that other women are catty jealous bitches.
either way... I don't plan on participating in your efforts to get more women involved in the FSP. between the hostility from both Tammy and Natalie and then this bullshit, I'd almost rather not even call myself a free-stater anymore. there's others i know of too. i can't handle the drama. i can't handle the hostility.
you know the irony is, i don't even have a real 'love life' because the good men wouldn't want to date me because of the women like this sitting around and smearing me. as much as i hang out with guys and have fun, i'm by no means a slut or whore and shit like this... ugh... it makes me sick.
No, Sharon, some stay uninvolved because of wretched people like you and the drama you stir up. I know plenty of FSP women who just can't stand to be around her. Actually, I know plenty of FSP men who want nothing to do with her as well. Like others have said they don't post on these forums often - they're the types with families living and involved in their communities...living normal lives and promoting liberty in our lifetime without having to get arrested or spend time in jail.
1/11/08 Sharon wrote:
The person I am talking with on the IM I sent you is Arc Riley. He's telling me about his roommates celeste (brown hair, glasses, buck teeth, overweight, ugly as sin) and laura (older woman, new mover from florida -Elf on the forum) and Muni (big tall Israeli guy - Muni on the forum).
Tammy had an active role in getting me fired from the Taproom. I knew that already. Apparently, so did Celeste and Laura and Muni.
And after the looks and shit I was getting at the MRC meeting last night from the other women too, and the way Irena has been ignoring my emails, and the way that Kate Richards barely speaks to me anymore, I would say all the women are spending all their time gossiping, gossiping, gossiping - and all about me.
ivyleague28477: and she wonders why men are all over me rather than her??!!!!!!!!!!!
ivyleague28477: take care of yourself and you can be attractive too!
ivyleague28477: but she trashes me because men want me. *sigh* women...
Posted by Sharon 1/19:
I'm actually kinda nervous about tonight because my date (yes Ivy has a date - oohhhhh - I know, it's been forever it seems. good thing I have so many friends that keep me company!) is taking me dancing and I am pretty sure Manch nightclubs don't allow guns... I'm not sure I am interested in being disarmed... Sad
I'm still not sure exactly when she set her sights on Bill.....or if he was the date above....but I know something happened the night of the "anti-valentine's" party at error's. Looking back, many presume that she was referring to Bill....you know Kate's Bill:
no,Dale you didn't! hehe you're bad Kola! i forgot nothing of last night! some parts might be a little fuzzy, like taking the second batch of devilish chili dogs out of the oven, but the most enjoyable parts i will remember fondly always... :blush: ;D maybe they'll even happen again!! :o ;)
Less than a month later - the truth was out. Her anti-valentin hopes had come true. Sharon had been sleeping with Bill....all the while pretending to be Kate's friend. Not only did these two inadvertently fall for each other - they were childish and downright rude about it. The story came out on a Tuesday night. Taproom Tuesday - Ivy was there, Bill was there, Kate came late because she had to work. Kate left early, Bill stayed. The way the story was related to me was that the owner noticed a number of patrons peering out the front window and he went to what was going on....and found Kate and Bill making out up against the front of Murphy's. He suggested they take it somewhere else. Keep in mind that the owner is along time friend of Kate's. He told her not to come back to Murphy's again.
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:18:41 -0400
From: beth@garthwaite.org
To: ladies@libertyladies.org
Subject: [Libertyladies] WARNING.
Hi Liberty Ladies!!
Since I moved in on Sunday, I was greeted with horrible news. Ivy has been sleeping with Bill Walker for a month, and Kate just found out. She will need help this weekend moving Bill's things out of her house. Its truly sad. Ivy, aka Sharon can not be trusted. We have all been sharing stories of lies and manipulations. She called me her best friend, but I am sick and tired of dealing with her insanity, and manipulation. Please take this as a warning. She is a leach, con artist, manipulator, and will do anything and everything to get her way, including using her kids for leverage. This is horrible news, as Kate did not know, and Ivy was acting two-faced about the whole thing. Please take a minute to read it on NHfree, consider yourself WARNED. Please email me, or contact me, Dan, Kevin Roll, Kate (our victim) if you want to help move the cheater out. Ivy has been advised NOT to post, because Kate is afraid of slander. I have Kate's FULL permission, she requested I email the LL.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13322.0
3/14/08
they, ivy and bill, wanted to storm kates house at 1am after taproom. they were kissing and fondling after kate left for the night. Right infront of everyone. Shocking, isnt it? Dan and Rob (to robs credit) talked bill and Ivy out of it, he slept at ivy's and they went after kate got out of work.
3/14/08:
What makes me cry, is when I think of Kate coming home from work, and being confronted, not knowing the details of Bill and Ivy, and having to look at the whore who is sleeping with her husband.
sickens me.
Email from Jeremy to me 3/14
I removed the comment about Ivy and Natalie because Ivy asked me to.
She’s sick of any references to her personal life being posted to the forum, and even though I thought her and Natalie’s dispute was common knowledge, she still doesn’t want it propagated on the forum any further than it already has been.
OK - then here's an idea - don't post the details of your personal life on the forums.
In the middle of all this, Joe Brown banned me from nhteaparty....and he was sure that I was a federal agent....
3/15/08:
You've got to be shitting me!! Federal Agent!!! OMG, please these people need to get a life!!! and I saw on nhfree that you were banned from the teaparty.....to bad error is hiking and not taking care of his forum....maybe if I go make a big scene at the tea party they'll ban me to
o --- I think I'll try it :)
I too feel so bad for Kate -- no one has to wonder now why I have always avoided Ivy ;)
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Msg fron user on nhfree 3/16:
before all this happened, I thought she was very needy and looking for attention...and yeah much too flirtatious with everyone.
although I do not know kate personally, I really feel for her. I been there.
ivy and bill will get what they deserve and as I always say: you get what you give.
To make matters worse, Bill and Kate actually went to the next Ice Cream Social at Alec's....as if nothing had happened. Kate had been there, but so were some others who promptly took her away so that Sharon and Bill couldn't rub their new found love in her face....again.
A couple of Tuesdays late, at Taproom Tuesday, up the sidewalk strolls Bill with Sharon on his arm....all dressed to the hilt with that look she has.....it's a cold, calculated thing that I can never describe...but when I have mentioned to others, they knew exactly what I meant. She has an evil grin that almost makes you see into her manipulative brain.....it's weird. Contrary to what some recall. I was on my way to the bathroom as they actually entered.....so for those who remember me saying or doing anything, you're mistaken. It was the manager who approached them and clearly told Sharon she was not welcome there ever anymore.
IM :
Just an FYI, regarding the drama. (Doing this by PM on purpose)
I have heard people discussing your attitude towards Ivy, with the sentiment not all good. For example, when Bill and Ivy tried to stop by Taproom Tuesday that one night, you rushed out to confront them. It appeared that you got great pleasure from enforcing the ban on Ivy (Not that the ban shouldn't have been enforced, but that perhaps you shouldn't have seemed so excitedly happy about doing it).
I'm involved in politics, so is the owner of Murphy's and we hold monthly meetings there. Sharon threw a hissy fit and threatened to call WMUR because the owner didn't want her there. It was decided that she could attend the meeting but would have to leave immediately afterward. She signed the sign-in sheet as Ivy Walker. Over the next few days, she fabricated the latest in her stories - that her and Bill had got married and bought a house. It got back to Kate – Kate called bill. Bill said NO we didn't buy a house, and NO we didn't get married. She hadn't needed to attend the meeting because she wanted to be involved, she was attending to gloat and have it get back to Kate. I am always amazed that she thinks everyone is blind to her schemes.
from Murphy's owner 3/28/08:
Not falling for it. Ivy as the victim - I've seen that before.
Ivy Ankrom wrote on facebook 6/28/08 regarding an event at Murphy's:
you know i can't go to this silly. still not allowed at murphy's - go fucking figure. like he had any place to judge... whatever. *rolls eyes*
comment from someone at Murphy's:
What a cunt.
It took me maybe 3 months after she moved here to see the real Sharon Ankrom. I felt it the very first time I met her, but it took a while to really get it. I heard this from a lot of other people, too. Now some 20 months later, you all have something those of us who first dealt with didn't....you have the pattern of her actions to maybe make you think that the gut feeling you get from her isn't just you. I've said it before and I still think she is con artist and a sociopath. There isn't a single thing that I would truly be shocked to read in the newspaper about this woman. Not a single thing.
She is really like watching a horrific fire or a car crash - you just can't help but turn and look. It horrifies you, but you look anyway. Maybe some people will get it now that she has more and more drama in her life. Maybe Bill even gets it now....but I don't think so. He still seems to see Nick as at fault for not staying away.
Sharon is not a nymphomaniac. She uses sex as a tool, but she's not a nymphomanic. She is a con artist, a liar, a manipulator and so on. And she is good at it. I feel badly for Peter and for this baby she's carrying. I had far from a perfect childhood, but I cannot even imagine what it must be like to live the life of little Peter. Seriously.
So - think of me what you will - as I have said before, I really don't care. For the one or 10 or however many people who have read these threads over the past few days and they have made you take a step away from her and spared yourself her wrath....you're welcome. I know there are plenty of people who would have liked that same advance warning some 20 months ago.
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Eventually she moves to NH, gets an apartment, picks up Rob ad a roomie to watch Peter and Caroline
Actually, she and Rob got together before she moved to NH. She moved unofficially the weekend before she officially moved and stayed at Porc Central with Rob sleeping in her room. Maybe they just shared a bed and it was perfectly innocent. The only thing I know is that the first person I saw in the morning was Rob and the second was Ivy. So later on when their relationship imploded because Ivy wanted to bring another man into her apartment (EJ) as a "roommate" and claimed that she and Rob were just roommates, I couldn't help but think bullshit.
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For a bit I thought I broke the server here......I posted and then the server went whacky. ooops.
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the last straw thread on freekeene has been locked.
Joe Brown got in under the wire with:
Title: Re: The last straw
Post by: MaineShark on June 13, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
I find it amusing that Natalie and Tammy have posted on occasion to accuse Ivy of inventing "conspiracies against her" on other occasions, then they both conspired to come here and attack her (to the extent of using the same computer).
Whether or not Ivy ever actually made that claim, they just went ahead of proved it, anyway!
Quote from: AnCapMan on June 12, 2009, 01:04:39 PM
The poly folk need to cool their dogma. No one has slandered or even talked down about it. Please start a new thread if you want to debate it's merits. As of now no one but yourselves have said good or bad about the choice you have made.
Actually, several individuals have made the claim that this is "because she's poly," on several occasions over the past.
Quote from: aworldnervelink on June 12, 2009, 04:25:01 PM
For the record:
Two New Year's Eves ago, during the party at my house, Sharon walked up to me and said to my face:
"So, do I get to share your bed tonight?"
Naturally, I declined.
If we're going to get things "on the record," Kevin, numerous individuals (myself included - I think there is even a video of it, somewhere) have witnessed you sticking your face in her chest at a party. So it's really not hard to imagine that (presuming your claim is even true), she might have had cause to think you were interested. I hope that helps you in your quest to make sure that "the record" is accurate.
Joe
1. I've never posted on freekeene.....and why Joe thinks Natalie and I are using the same computer I'm not sure. That would mean we have the same IP address....and I'd bet money he couldn't find both Natalie and me ever having the same IP address.....here or anywhere for that matter. But - it is Joe Brown...and he has "proof" that I'm a fed, too.
2. I don't recall this party or video that Joe refers to. I think I might have remembered that.....'cause it would have made me go eeeewwww. But - it is Joe Brown....and he has "proof" that I'm a fed, too.
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the last straw thread on freekeene has been locked.
I fixed it.
JJ is clearly an unfit moderator. It's not his place to decide for everyone that a thread should be locked.
Edit: He also said he "has half a mind to delete" the thread. So I don't know if he'll do that or not.
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Wait....so, now I'm going to Tammys house and using her computer to post things about Ivy?
Thanks very much, but I can spear the bitch just fine from where I'm sitting. Joe, get a life.
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the last straw thread on freekeene has been locked.
I fixed it.
JJ is clearly an unfit moderator. It's not his place to decide for everyone that a thread should be locked.
Edit: He also said he "has half a mind to delete" the thread. So I don't know if he'll do that or not.
Thanks for unlocking it. I would have responded to Joe there - although I really should just refrain from responding to him at all.....
If it gets deleted - I am sure there are copies around......
And, Coconut, unless you sought out Ivy knowing she was in a monogamous relationship, I can't see how you are at fault. I wasn't sure if I said that before. Her story sounded nice but based on knowing her, I just couldn't buy that she just kept pushing you away and telling you no. If you caught her off guard once and did something and she said no, she should have been a mature adult in a monogamous relationship and stopped spending time with you. It's really that easy - avoid the person who supposedly continues to hit on you. Don;t go to dinner with them, don;t go to the movies, don't snuggle up. She's a scam.....and you were scammed. Now serving number.......
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Eventually she moves to NH, gets an apartment, picks up Rob ad a roomie to watch Peter and Caroline
Actually, she and Rob got together before she moved to NH. She moved unofficially the weekend before she officially moved and stayed at Porc Central with Rob sleeping in her room. Maybe they just shared a bed and it was perfectly innocent. The only thing I know is that the first person I saw in the morning was Rob and the second was Ivy. So later on when their relationship imploded because Ivy wanted to bring another man into her apartment (EJ) as a "roommate" and claimed that she and Rob were just roommates, I couldn't help but think bullshit.
They were together.
She ROYALLY fucked Rob over....she used him for sex/entertainment/childcare and because she was bored and when she got sick of him, she totally and compltely tried to destroy his life....she cooperated with hte Feds against him for LIES, got all his guns taken away, made him go to court, turned almost an entire community away from him and at one point, he was even "on the lamb".....price of "doing business" with Ivy. Whatever many of you may think about Rob...the truth about him, is he is a nice man who says strange things. Pretty much. Yeah, sometimes he's weird, but we all have the same level of weirdness, just most of us keep it inside. He didn't deserve what she did to him....he has always operated in real life with a sense of honor and done right by people....she sucks for what she did to him.
"Don't make fun of her, she's PREGNANT!" - yeah, well, you know what? So am I....so I guess, you know, if we're all going on what Bill says....let's just call my venom "Overcome wtih pregnancy hormones" :lol:
You know what I find ridiculous about her expecting another child?? The fact that she told me, CLEARLY, PLAINLY, that "If I could go back, I never would have had kids" - that's right. Mother of the year, admitted that she hates the responsibility of the ones she's got....now, that was at least a couple of years ago now...but judging by the fact that one of her kids has been taken from her and poor Peter's been sleeping in the basement of her mothers failed tex-mex dive, not much has changed.
I would imagine...that her pregnancy has much more to do with keeping/pleasing/conning Bill, than with wanting another baby. Though, with the way her mind works...there's no telling what it's really all about. And I don't feel a lick of shame, at saying such horrendous things....this woman has intentially and without an ounce of remorse, moved from victim to victim....small cons, larger ones...cons of the heart....whatever she wants and sometimes just because she's bored. Young people, old people, men and women alike. THe woman sucks, hard....and never for free, though she'd have you think it's out of the kindness of her cold, shriveled heart....you never really know what you're trading with her...until she's gone and something's missing.
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Wait....so, now I'm going to Tammys house and using her computer to post things about Ivy?
Thanks very much, but I can spear the bitch just fine from where I'm sitting. Joe, get a life.
If you come and use my computer while I'm not home, the least you could do is do some cleaning while you are here! Gosh.
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Wait....so, now I'm going to Tammys house and using her computer to post things about Ivy?
Thanks very much, but I can spear the bitch just fine from where I'm sitting. Joe, get a life.
If you come and use my computer while I'm not home, the least you could do is do some cleaning while you are here! Gosh.
Oh man...Joe is sooooo special
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Shit. You're right. The FSP has failed. That's it, I'm leaving Concord.
Right behind ya. Going back to lovely Michigan...
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Wait....so, now I'm going to Tammys house and using her computer to post things about Ivy?
Thanks very much, but I can spear the bitch just fine from where I'm sitting. Joe, get a life.
If you come and use my computer while I'm not home, the least you could do is do some cleaning while you are here! Gosh.
Oh man...Joe is sooooo special
Joe is great.... Whenever you need someone to stand around and say "De Plane Boss De Plane" He's your man.
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And, Coconut, unless you sought out Ivy knowing she was in a monogamous relationship, I can't see how you are at fault.
Not that I feel the need to respond further, but cuz I'm bored:
She asked me out first. I knew she was married; I did not know he wasn't okay with her side antics elsewhere.
...knowing her, I just couldn't buy that she just kept pushing you away and telling you no.
She didn't.
If you caught her off guard once and did something and she said no...
If she was caught off guard by my first kiss on her cheek, her response was still to kiss me back on the shoulder.
It's really that easy - avoid the person who supposedly continues to hit on you.
She knew how far we went one day, and asked me out again the next week.
... Oh well. I've given too many specifics already.
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Hormones - Mistaken for Whore Moans since 2009.
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Hormones - Mistaken for Whore Moans since 2009.
BUT JUDGE SHE WANTED TO BE RAPED
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And, Coconut, unless you sought out Ivy knowing she was in a monogamous relationship, I can't see how you are at fault.
Not that I feel the need to respond further, but cuz I'm bored:
She asked me out first. I knew she was married; I did not know he wasn't okay with her side antics elsewhere.
...knowing her, I just couldn't buy that she just kept pushing you away and telling you no.
She didn't.
If you caught her off guard once and did something and she said no...
If she was caught off guard by my first kiss on her cheek, her response was still to kiss me back on the shoulder.
It's really that easy - avoid the person who supposedly continues to hit on you.
She knew how far we went one day, and asked me out again the next week.
... Oh well. I've given too many specifics already.
Please don't. I just threw up in my mouth just thinking about it.
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Wait....so, now I'm going to Tammys house and using her computer to post things about Ivy?
Thanks very much, but I can spear the bitch just fine from where I'm sitting. Joe, get a life.
If you come and use my computer while I'm not home, the least you could do is do some cleaning while you are here! Gosh.
Oh man...Joe is sooooo special
Joe is great.... Whenever you need someone to stand around and say "De Plane Boss De Plane" He's your man.
*giggle*
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Ivy is so ugly, When she visited New York City and went to the top of the Empire State building, planes started to attack her.
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Ivy is so ugly, When she visited New York City and went to the top of the Empire State building, planes started to attack her.
:lol:
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1. I've never posted on freekeene.....and why Joe thinks Natalie and I are using the same computer I'm not sure. That would mean we have the same IP address....and I'd bet money he couldn't find both Natalie and me ever having the same IP address.....here or anywhere for that matter. But - it is Joe Brown...and he has "proof" that I'm a fed, too.
As posted there, just demonstrating your hypocrisy. Mmm... hypocrisy...
2. I don't recall this party or video that Joe refers to. I think I might have remembered that.....'cause it would have made me go eeeewwww. But - it is Joe Brown....and he has "proof" that I'm a fed, too.
That was the jello-wrestling party. You weren't there. Your good friend Beth was. I'm sure she can fill you in.
Joe is great.... Whenever you need someone to stand around and say "De Plane Boss De Plane" He's your man.
And, assuming you are who I think you are... if we ever need someone to leer at first-time shooters (instead of helping to work the range like you were supposed to) just because they happened to be young and female, we know exactly who to ask. Seriously, you need to work on that - there were several complaints about it.
Joe
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LOL FREESTATER FIGHT
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Title: Re: The last straw
Post by: MaineShark on June 13, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
I find it amusing that Natalie and Tammy have posted on occasion to accuse Ivy of inventing "conspiracies against her" on other occasions, then they both conspired to come here and attack her (to the extent of using the same computer).
Whether or not Ivy ever actually made that claim, they just went ahead of proved it, anyway!
When I re-read this (as he replied to his own thread over there)......I'm not even sure I know what he means.
Natalie and I have accused Ivy of inventing conspiracies? Huh? I've accused Ivy of a lot of things....but not of inventing conspiracies.....not that I can think of anyway.
Maybe it's just Joe twisting his own words into something else....since he enjoys twisting everyone else's words so much. :)
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LOL FREESTATER FIGHT
When I die, I want to be buried in this thread.
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1. I've never posted on freekeene.....and why Joe thinks Natalie and I are using the same computer I'm not sure. That would mean we have the same IP address....and I'd bet money he couldn't find both Natalie and me ever having the same IP address.....here or anywhere for that matter. But - it is Joe Brown...and he has "proof" that I'm a fed, too.
As posted there, just demonstrating your hypocrisy. Mmm... hypocrisy...
Maybe Joe speaks a special dialect of English.....because how is there hypocrisy in the fact that Natalie and I have different IP addresses which shows that we obviously are not using the same computer??
Anyone else able to explain.....in traditional American English.....
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When I re-read this (as he replied to his own thread over there)......I'm not even sure I know what he means.
Natalie and I have accused Ivy of inventing conspiracies? Huh? I've accused Ivy of a lot of things....but not of inventing conspiracies.....not that I can think of anyway.
Maybe it's just Joe twisting his own words into something else....since he enjoys twisting everyone else's words so much. :)
You should brush up on your reading comprehension.
And, you know, lie less. Then you would have an easier time remembering what you had and had not accused someone of, by simply remembering what the truth is. When you lie all the time, it's so hard to keep track of what you have and haven't claimed, eh? My heart bleeds for you...
(seriously, thank you - you couldn't have made a more perfect post to prove my point about your hypocritical little lies)
Joe
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Maybe Joe speaks a special dialect of English.....because how is there hypocrisy in the fact that Natalie and I have different IP addresses which shows that we obviously are not using the same computer??
Anyone else able to explain.....in traditional American English.....
I'll write slowly.
You claim that Ivy lies a lot, when in reality, she rarely does. You, on the other hand, lie so often you can't even keep track of your own lies.
However, you complain heartily when someone makes up a story about you.
Hypocrisy.
Joe
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I'm completely exhausted after reading the latest posts here. The Rattydog/ny2nh tag team is too much.
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And, you know, lie less. Then you would have an easier time remembering what you had and had not accused someone of, by simply remembering what the truth is. When you lie all the time, it's so hard to keep track of what you have and haven't claimed, eh? My heart bleeds for you...
I think he meant to post this to Ivy.
Tammy--to my knowledge--has never made up relationships with people, nor does she think that every man just can't keep his hands off her.
Or is being delusional different than lying?
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And, you know, lie less. Then you would have an easier time remembering what you had and had not accused someone of, by simply remembering what the truth is. When you lie all the time, it's so hard to keep track of what you have and haven't claimed, eh? My heart bleeds for you...
I think he meant to post this to Ivy.
Tammy--to my knowledge--has never made up relationships with people, nor does she think that every man just can't keep his hands off her.
Or is being delusional different than lying?
Actually, Tammy has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
Where are all these men who Ivy hits on hiding, anyway? Tammy and Natalie seem to have delusional male friends who Ivy has had relationships with or hit on. Personally, other than Bill, Rob, Kevin, and Nick, I'm not aware of anyone she's had any sort of sexual contact with since moving to NH. That's the list of men I'm aware of her hitting on, too. Where are all these mysterious others? Aside from in Tammy's and Natalie's fantasies, that is?
Joe
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LOL FREESTATER FIGHT
When I die, I want to be buried in this thread.
Haha, me too!
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Maybe Joe speaks a special dialect of English.....because how is there hypocrisy in the fact that Natalie and I have different IP addresses which shows that we obviously are not using the same computer??
Anyone else able to explain.....in traditional American English.....
I'll write slowly.
You claim that Ivy lies a lot, when in reality, she rarely does. You, on the other hand, lie so often you can't even keep track of your own lies.
However, you complain heartily when someone makes up a story about you.
Hypocrisy.
Joe
You know....this is why I ducked out of this arguement for so long. Because it's a total waste of time....it's us who have been burned by Sharon and see her for what she is, telling you people who sniff her butt all day and haven't yet been completely fucked over by her that she sucks...then, you butt sniffers telling us that we suck. Back and forth and back and forth. Meanwhile her dramas and chaotic, ill escapades pile up around you and you continue to see past them...wagging your fingers at us over here... and we're yelling "See, see, look, she's doing it AGAIN!" and you're like "You crazy liars, you leave her alone!"- At this point, I've grown bored with even arguing the merits of one side or the other. "Proof, proof" yeah, well..you know, all the proof I need about who she is, came from my HORRIFYING* personal experiences with her, on top of the countless stories of shame and gullibility told to me by the NUMEROUS people who still can't believe that she was a con/lie/fake, after how hard they fell for her "single mother trying to make it" crap. Furthermore, all the proof that I could give *you*, you wouldn't believe anyway, and isn't going to come close to delivering the crushing blow you'll recieve, the moment you realize just how far up this womans ass you've been living...and that she is a complete lie, from the inside out. So, I'm not going to worry about it anymore. About convincing you stupid people who can't see past her lying little face, into the absolutely empty space she contains inside the facade you drool over.
*I use the word horrifying, because seeing exactly just how insane and angry this woman is, first person, is horrifying...for the fact that she has children. The fact that this woman, is a mother....I can't tell you how bad it shakes me up. She just SUCKS and as a girl who grew up with a really sucky mom, my heart breaks for her kids.
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And, you know, lie less. Then you would have an easier time remembering what you had and had not accused someone of, by simply remembering what the truth is. When you lie all the time, it's so hard to keep track of what you have and haven't claimed, eh? My heart bleeds for you...
I think he meant to post this to Ivy.
Tammy--to my knowledge--has never made up relationships with people, nor does she think that every man just can't keep his hands off her.
Or is being delusional different than lying?
Actually, Tammy has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
Where are all these men who Ivy hits on hiding, anyway? Tammy and Natalie seem to have delusional male friends who Ivy has had relationships with or hit on. Personally, other than Bill, Rob, Kevin, and Nick, I'm not aware of anyone she's had any sort of sexual contact with since moving to NH. That's the list of men I'm aware of her hitting on, too. Where are all these mysterious others? Aside from in Tammy's and Natalie's fantasies, that is?
Joe
Oh Joe...Joe Joe Joe....are you on drugs duderson? I mean...if you're goingt o downplay the list, downplay it, that's fine, I get it, what with her being "married and in a family way" now....but what you've posted is simply laughable. She's ADMITTED to preying on people who are not on your list, dummy!
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If it were just those two saying things then I might have to agree with Joe but this is not just Tammy and Natalie saying all this. They might show the most animosity towards Ivy out of the people here but they are certainly not the only ones.
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You know....this is why I ducked out of this arguement for so long. Because it's a total waste of time....it's us who have been burned by Sharon and see her for what she is, telling you people who sniff her butt all day and haven't yet been completely fucked over by her that she sucks...then, you butt sniffers telling us that we suck. Back and forth and back and forth. Meanwhile her dramas and chaotic, ill escapades pile up around you and you continue to see past them...wagging your fingers at us over here... and we're yelling "See, see, look, she's doing it AGAIN!" and you're like "You crazy liars, you leave her alone!"- At this point, I've grown bored with even arguing the merits of one side or the other. "Proof, proof" yeah, well..you know, all the proof I need about who she is, came from my HORRIFYING* personal experiences with her, on top of the countless stories of shame and gullibility told to me by the NUMEROUS people who still can't believe that she was a con/lie/fake, after how hard they fell for her "single mother trying to make it" crap.
The numerous people who live in your head?
Furthermore, all the proof that I could give *you*, you wouldn't believe anyway, and isn't going to come close to delivering the crushing blow you'll recieve, the moment you realize just how far up this womans ass you've been living...and that she is a complete lie, from the inside out. So, I'm not going to worry about it anymore. About convincing you stupid people who can't see past her lying little face, into the absolutely empty space she contains inside the facade you drool over.
Fact is, you've posted your rants, and I've asked you for proof. You haven't given proof which was ignored, so you can't claim that you know I would do so.
Because you haven't given proof of anything. You've given all manner of claims, backed up by some shadowy coalition of folks who only you seem to know. "I know this guy who said that his cousin once drew a picture on a napkin that really made him believe that X" isn't proof, kiddo. Ivy has offered hard evidence to disprove your claims on several occasions. You've offered nothing but rhetoric that sounds like the ranting of a mental patient.
(Oh, and for the record, I don't "drool over" Ivy. She's not my type. Sorry to burst your pathetic bubble.)
Joe
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Oh Joe...Joe Joe Joe....are you on drugs duderson? I mean...if you're goingt o downplay the list, downplay it, that's fine, I get it, what with her being "married and in a family way" now....but what you've posted is simply laughable. She's ADMITTED to preying on people who are not on your list, dummy!
Whom, pray tell?
In any case, I'm not "downplaying" anything. That's just the only four I can remember. If there were many, I would expect to be able to remember more than four. But I'm quite happy to admit that I don't keep some dossier on her.
If it were just those two saying things then I might have to agree with Joe but this is not just Tammy and Natalie saying all this. They might show the most animosity towards Ivy out of the people here but they are certainly not the only ones.
Yeah, don't forget their imaginary friends...
It's quite amazing that, with so much "proof" of all these things she has supposed to have done, none of it ever seems to show up. It's all "super-duper extra-secret," and they can't share it because there is a secret government agency devoted to prosecuting Ivy, and they were sworn to secrecy. I mean, that is essentially what Natalie has claimed, right?
Joe
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Testing
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I wonder if they have the same imaginary friends that I do. The imaginary friend that tells me all the stuff about Ivy is Pazuzu. I wonder if Tammy and Natalie are also friends with Pazuzu?
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(http://web.aanet.com.au/~image/erdos/Horse1.jpg)
Plz to stop talking about me, kthxbai
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Actually, Tammy has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
Really, you've hung around Tammy so much that you not only conclude that she talks constantly about how all men want her and so do animals? Huh??
I've known Tammy for a while and the only man I've ever seen her talk about wanting her is Rebel, in this thread. She mentioned it to me and said that he was very drunk.
Are you sure you're not mistaking the quotes I posted for her? That was actually written by Ivy:
so this guy at work is abslutely everything i could have ever hoped for in life... except (just
like every other guy i've ever fallen for) he's in love with someone else. wtf. and it's not
like i don't have several other guys chasing me (as usual)... but i just can't get this one to
get out of my head. i'm so taken by him i'm even avoiding talking to these other guys and
taken to wearing my 'leave me the fuck alone' pretend engagement ring... which is funny
cuz the 'boss' owner lady thinks i'm 'with' the manager guy just cuz he asked me on a few
dates. but - he just doesn't make my heart stop... and this other one - when i'm near him i
can't even breathe...
i'd be happy just to spend time getting to know him more and hanging out with him... just
to be in his presence...
You can find the restof the quotes yourself and continue denying them. Far be it from me to destroy anyone's world view.
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Joe,
Has Ivy ever told you she has cancer?
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Actually, Tammy has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
Really, you've hung around Tammy so much that you not only conclude that she talks constantly about how all men want her and so do animals? Huh??
Did I say "constantly," anywhere?
She has, however, been known to go on about her supposed desirability.
And I didn't say anything about animals wanting her. Animals can, generally, sense evil. I stated that I don't understand why anyone would want her, because I'm not into bestiality. Those who are into bestiality might be interested in her.
Has Ivy ever told you she has cancer?
Yup. Because I'm the sort of likes to actually have that crazy thing called, you know, evidence, I checked into it (with her permission). Unless she has some way to make medical professionals lie for her, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer, and has had a two or three years of treatments for it.
See, my opinions of Ivy, which are by no means wholly positive (she has royally screwed-up on several occasions) or negative (she has done a lot for the liberty movement on many occasions) are based upon actual, concrete evidence, not claims backed up by imaginary friends and innuendo from some of the most pathetic hypocrites around. I don't think she's an angel or a demon.
I know it pisses folks off that they can't make any accusation that I blindly support Ivy stick, since I'll call her on bad choices she makes, quite readily. But I'm not here to make life easy for folks who want to fabricate evidence and malign someone for things she didn't do. If you want to complain about bad things she's done, at least use real things, not fantasies, okay? There are certainly a number of them. I don't insist that someone who is complaining about another's mistakes also praise that individual for his/her successes, as well, but it is a far more mature way to behave. You can still assert that you think the bad outweighs the good, but doing so honestly is better than making up nonsense.
Joe
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[youtube=640,480]ynjIoymWHvU[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjIoymWHvU
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John Shaw +1
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MUPPETS. WOO HOO.
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Has Ivy ever told you she has cancer?
Yup. Because I'm the sort of likes to actually have that crazy thing called, you know, evidence, I checked into it (with her permission). Unless she has some way to make medical professionals lie for her, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer, and has had a two or three years of treatments for it.
Is she using state health insurance to get the treatments?
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Has Ivy ever told you she has cancer?
Yup. Because I'm the sort of likes to actually have that crazy thing called, you know, evidence, I checked into it (with her permission). Unless she has some way to make medical professionals lie for her, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer, and has had a two or three years of treatments for it.
Is she using state health insurance to get the treatments?
Well duh.
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Actually, Tammy has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
Really, you've hung around Tammy so much that you not only conclude that she talks constantly about how all men want her and so do animals? Huh??
I've known Tammy for a while and the only man I've ever seen her talk about wanting her is Rebel, in this thread. She mentioned it to me and said that he was very drunk.
Are you sure you're not mistaking the quotes I posted for her? That was actually written by Ivy:
so this guy at work is abslutely everything i could have ever hoped for in life... except (just
like every other guy i've ever fallen for) he's in love with someone else. wtf. and it's not
like i don't have several other guys chasing me (as usual)... but i just can't get this one to
get out of my head. i'm so taken by him i'm even avoiding talking to these other guys and
taken to wearing my 'leave me the fuck alone' pretend engagement ring... which is funny
cuz the 'boss' owner lady thinks i'm 'with' the manager guy just cuz he asked me on a few
dates. but - he just doesn't make my heart stop... and this other one - when i'm near him i
can't even breathe...
i'd be happy just to spend time getting to know him more and hanging out with him... just
to be in his presence...
You can find the restof the quotes yourself and continue denying them. Far be it from me to destroy anyone's world view.
I may have been intoxicated, but I'd still push it.
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Has Ivy ever told you she has cancer?
Yup. Because I'm the sort of likes to actually have that crazy thing called, you know, evidence, I checked into it (with her permission). Unless she has some way to make medical professionals lie for her, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer, and has had a two or three years of treatments for it.
Is she using state health insurance to get the treatments?
The only treatments I'm aware of, she paid cash for. Any treatments other than those, which she did not mention to me, I couldn't speak in regards to.
Given that they tax her business, I really wouldn't care if she were taking back some of her money, so long as she kept tabs on it and didn't get more back than she was forced to pay in. Taking back stolen money is not theft.
But, as I said, I'm not privy to her finances. The assertion, lacking proof of any sort, that she is using State health funds is not sufficient to be worth the trouble of asking. There would have to be some level of evidence presented, before it would be worth expending energy to determine the veracity of the claim.
Joe
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Has Ivy ever told you she has cancer?
Yup. Because I'm the sort of likes to actually have that crazy thing called, you know, evidence, I checked into it (with her permission). Unless she has some way to make medical professionals lie for her, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer, and has had a two or three years of treatments for it.
Is she using state health insurance to get the treatments?
The only treatments I'm aware of, she paid cash for. Any treatments other than those, which she did not mention to me, I couldn't speak in regards to.
Given that they tax her business, I really wouldn't care if she were taking back some of her money, so long as she kept tabs on it and didn't get more back than she was forced to pay in. Taking back stolen money is not theft.
But, as I said, I'm not privy to her finances. The assertion, lacking proof of any sort, that she is using State health funds is not sufficient to be worth the trouble of asking. There would have to be some level of evidence presented, before it would be worth expending energy to determine the veracity of the claim.
Joe
Likely, Tammy or rattydog will be chiming in in the morning. Not trying to pick a fight or anything, Maineshark - just sayin.
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OK, this thread is prime for new funnies or gossip... Beej, where are you?
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If I think of something I'll let you know.
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Has Ivy ever told you she has cancer?
Yup. Because I'm the sort of likes to actually have that crazy thing called, you know, evidence, I checked into it (with her permission). Unless she has some way to make medical professionals lie for her, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer, and has had a two or three years of treatments for it.
Is she using state health insurance to get the treatments?
The only treatments I'm aware of, she paid cash for. Any treatments other than those, which she did not mention to me, I couldn't speak in regards to.
I assume that means she doesn't have private health insurance.
She told you she paid cash?
Given that they tax her business, I really wouldn't care if she were taking back some of her money, so long as she kept tabs on it and didn't get more back than she was forced to pay in. Taking back stolen money is not theft.
I don't really care how much she gets out. Suck it dry. I don't want any of it because I want as little government in my life as possible. I don't like the strings attached.
But do you really expect anyone to keep track of how much they put in, and how much they get out? I doubt many people do that.
But, as I said, I'm not privy to her finances.
I assume she didn't have much money when she was getting state benefits in RI.
Also, she posted not long ago on freekeene that Bill had burned $20,000 in savings, and put $17,000 on credit to keep the restaurant going. She also said they didn't get many customers. Maybe that has all turned around, or maybe none of it is true. I don't know. But I assume her finances aren't in good shape if she has a couple of kids, cancer and is pregnant.
The assertion, lacking proof of any sort, that she is using State health funds is not sufficien[t to be worth the trouble of asking. There would have to be some level of evidence presented, before it would be worth expending energy to determine the veracity of the claim.
I'm don't know if she is using state funds, has private insurance, or pays cash/credit for her medical care. I'm just asking.
Do you know if she plans on giving birth in a hospital?
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Not good enough. I can't hangout with you at p-fest if you make lifeless posts like that. :lol: Beej
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Not good enough. I can't hangout with you at p-fest if you make lifeless posts like that. :lol: Beej
Well, I guess you won't get to see my dick then. Or try my scotch collection.
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I feel like I should order some mad take-out from their restaurant, i just want to help out. Anyone want to go up there later today? Beej, we're gonna go to the restaurant in question.. And, you're gonna like it.
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Not good enough. I can't hangout with you at p-fest if you make lifeless posts like that. :lol: Beej
Well, I guess you won't get to see my dick then. Or try my scotch collection.
Your dick is likely puny. But, I'll push the scotch. Actually, I'll only do wine, since I"m wary of calories.
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Your dick is likely puny.
Yeah, it is.
http://petmeats.com/dick2.png
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How dare you for posting that, I'm scarred for life now. You should be shot for that...J/K
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How dare you for posting that, I'm scarred for life now. You should be shot for that...J/K
Hey, you were the one who clicked it.
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How dare you for posting that, I'm scarred for life now. You should be shot for that...J/K
Hey, you were the one who clicked it.
OK, you're butt. Don't you dare blame me for clicking on your small cock.
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wow, I saw that coming, maybe the title of the link should have given you a hint.
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wow, I saw that coming, maybe the title of the link should have given you a hint.
cocks cocks delicious cocks.
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I assume that means she doesn't have private health insurance.
I wouldn't make that assumption. Health insurance only covers certain things.
She told you she paid cash?
Yes. I actually cashed a check and delivered payment for her (or, well, Bill, since he's the one who wrote it) one one occasion.
But do you really expect anyone to keep track of how much they put in, and how much they get out? I doubt many people do that.
Spreadsheets make it rather easy. Ivy is a math nerd, so I don't imagine she would find it much of a challenge.
Also, she posted not long ago on freekeene that Bill had burned $20,000 in savings, and put $17,000 on credit to keep the restaurant going. She also said they didn't get many customers. Maybe that has all turned around, or maybe none of it is true. I don't know. But I assume her finances aren't in good shape if she has a couple of kids, cancer and is pregnant.
I'm not privy to her finances. I do know that the restaurant has been seeing a substantial increase in customers, lately. I don't believe it was very long after that lost (maybe less than a month?) when the business picked up. Seems to be highly seasonal up there, and winter was a very bad season.
I'm don't know if she is using state funds, has private insurance, or pays cash/credit for her medical care. I'm just asking.
Other than the instances I know to have been paid in cash/check, I'm not privy to her finances.
Do you know if she plans on giving birth in a hospital?
Not a clue. Personally, I recommend against it. Of course, I've assisted at two out-of-hospital births, and studied a good bit on the subject, so I don't think that birth is particularly difficult to manage without MD's around. I would still hire a midwife, anyway, though. I think the going rate for a package with prenatal care, plus birth and a couple subsequent checkups is in the ballpark of $4k, including tests. Not exactly an unreachable figure.
Joe
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Beej, are you gonna blow me at p-fest?
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How dare you for posting that, I'm scarred for life now. You should be shot for that...J/K
Hey, you were the one who clicked it.
OK, you're butt. Don't you dare blame me for clicking on your small cock.
k
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How dare you for posting that, I'm scarred for life now. You should be shot for that...J/K
Hey, you were the one who clicked it.
OK, you're butt. Don't you dare blame me for clicking on your small cock.
k
My dick only responds to chicks like, I can't say cause she'll be mad. My fantasies over Manch chicks is too much.
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How dare you for posting that, I'm scarred for life now. You should be shot for that...J/K
Hey, you were the one who clicked it.
OK, you're butt. Don't you dare blame me for clicking on your small cock.
k
My dick only responds to chicks like, I can't say cause she'll be mad. My fantasies over Manch chicks is too much.
You just haven't had the right guy.
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Your dick is likely puny.
Yeah, it is.
http://petmeats.com/dick2.png
U are already on record as explaining that, dude, So don't come here again, w/o funnies.
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HAY THATS COPYRIGHTED STOP POSTING THAT
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HAY THATS COPYRIGHTED STOP POSTING THAT
Sue me asshole.
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HAY THATS COPYRIGHTED STOP POSTING THAT
Sue me asshole.
Sue my asshole.
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HAY THATS COPYRIGHTED STOP POSTING THAT
Sue me asshole.
Sue my asshole.
How dare you for posting that, I'm scarred for life now. You should be shot for that...J/K
Hey, you were the one who clicked it.
OK, you're butt. Don't you dare blame me for clicking on your small cock.
k
My dick only responds to chicks like, I can't say cause she'll be mad. My fantasies over Manch chicks is too much.
You just haven't had the right guy.
Fuck you, butt smash, NH is where you need to be, just not near me :lol:
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HAY THATS COPYRIGHTED STOP POSTING THAT
Sue me asshole.
Sue my asshole.
How dare you for posting that, I'm scarred for life now. You should be shot for that...J/K
Hey, you were the one who clicked it.
OK, you're butt. Don't you dare blame me for clicking on your small cock.
k
My dick only responds to chicks like, I can't say cause she'll be mad. My fantasies over Manch chicks is too much.
You just haven't had the right guy.
Fuck you, butt smash, NH is where you need to be, just not near me :lol:
I just hate it when a happy couple like you fight.
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HAY THATS COPYRIGHTED STOP POSTING THAT
Sue me asshole.
Sue my asshole.
How dare you for posting that, I'm scarred for life now. You should be shot for that...J/K
Hey, you were the one who clicked it.
OK, you're butt. Don't you dare blame me for clicking on your small cock.
k
My dick only responds to chicks like, I can't say cause she'll be mad. My fantasies over Manch chicks is too much.
You just haven't had the right guy.
Fuck you, butt smash, NH is where you need to be, just not near me :lol:
I just hate it when a happy couple like you fight.
We're not happy, I want Beej out, today. But he won't leave...
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The drama never ends.......
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I need better lookin females but Beej is a bust. He's a busto, God, He's z bust...
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Beej is so bad, that I'm feelin women again. Pussy is supreme.
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<3
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Mark wants me! So does Bacon.
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Good for you Rebel. You don't need someone like BJ. He's been cheating on you after all.
Here's proof.
http://www.kansas.com/690/story/844350.html
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Guys are so ugly..... Pussy is so wanted. I like puss for the record, and beej doesn't want me anymore.
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Good for you Rebel. You don't need someone like BJ. He's been cheating on you after all.
Here's proof.
http://www.kansas.com/690/story/844350.html
OH GAWD MY SECRETS
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Good for you Rebel. You don't need someone like BJ. He's been cheating on you after all.
Here's proof.
http://www.kansas.com/690/story/844350.html
Can u believe that his crapshoot wants me? Or, i see him at p-pfest, but he's gay
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I'm so gay I make Richard Simmons look like Clint Eastwood.
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Actually, Tammy has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
Really, you've hung around Tammy so much that you not only conclude that she talks constantly about how all men want her and so do animals? Huh??
I've known Tammy for a while and the only man I've ever seen her talk about wanting her is Rebel, in this thread. She mentioned it to me and said that he was very drunk.
In fairness, it wasn't me that brought up Rebel's ccomments about me the other nite....it was another reader who doesn't post....but I guess they would have to be imaginary.....but then so would thescoop have to be imaginary......
Do conversations between imaginary people actually exist?
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She has, however, been known to go on about her supposed desirability.
And I didn't say anything about animals wanting her. Animals can, generally, sense evil. I stated that I don't understand why anyone would want her, because I'm not into bestiality. Those who are into bestiality might be interested in her.
Thank the good Lord - Joe Brown doesn't want me. I will sleep better at night without having to worry about having that nightmare!
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And I didn't say anything about animals wanting her. Animals can, generally, sense evil. I stated that I don't understand why anyone would want her, because I'm not into bestiality. Those who are into bestiality might be interested in her.
For the record....I'm the beastly one in the black dress......but this is a year or so old.....
(http://www.murphystaproom.net/files/gallery/Oscar_Night_Gala_6969.jpg)
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but then so would thescoop have to be imaginary......
Do conversations between imaginary people actually exist?
Yes. No. Wait...I can't make up my mind.
I wonder if they have the same imaginary friends that I do. The imaginary friend that tells me all the stuff about Ivy is Pazuzu. I wonder if Tammy and Natalie are also friends with Pazuzu?
My imaginary friend's name is Fr....actually, I'm not going to mention it because then Ivy might try to sleep with hi...I mean, he might seduce Ivy in her "delicate state" and then he would be responsible for violating their marriage contract and, well, you know how Latin men are...
Did I say "constantly," anywhere?
Oh that's right...I forgot that you're incabable of understanding anything if it's not quoted back to you verbatim. So I'll make it easier for you and post your quote again:
Actually, Tammy has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
Post proof, or retract.
Unless she has some way to make medical professionals lie for her, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer, and has had a two or three years of treatments for it
Any idea what kind of treatments? A quick google tells me it ranges from scraping off papules all the way to a hysterectomy. It's clearly not the latter...but generally chemo is not used.
Oh, and for the record, I don't "drool over" Ivy. She's not my type.
My husband feels the same way. As he put it, "if you were to sleep with Ivy, I would NOT want to watch." For the record, there are only two women we know he's said that about...
Given that they tax her business, I really wouldn't care if she were taking back some of her money, so long as she kept tabs on it and didn't get more back than she was forced to pay in. Taking back stolen money is not theft.
Oh, good! And here I thought that being libertarian meant that you didn't believe in state aid, much less taking it! Cool! Now I can sign my son up for state health insurance without worrying about it violating my principles. Hooray for the Non-aggression Principle!
Likely, Tammy or rattydog will be chiming in in the morning.
I feel left out. Rebel, do I not matter? :(
Do you know if she plans on giving birth in a hospital?
God I hope not. I wouldn't wish a hospital birth on anyone. Not to mention the fact that if she is on state aid, a midwife is much cheaper. $3000fo r a homebirth and all prenat (which, I guess in their case would be a basement-below-the restraunt birth). On the other hand, a hospital birth is at least $10,000.
Health insurance only covers certain things.
And ultrasounds for pregnancy are one of those things.
A 43-year-old man faces criminal charges after neighbors told police they saw him having sex with his roommate's dog in south Wichita early Saturday morning.
Ah, South Wichita...where white trash can find a home...
For the record....I'm the beastly one in the black dress......but this is a year or so old.....
Oh god, REPUBLICANS, ackc ugh, yuck.
Btw, Andy looks good sober.
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Has Ivy ever told you she has cancer?
Yup. Because I'm the sort of likes to actually have that crazy thing called, you know, evidence, I checked into it (with her permission). Unless she has some way to make medical professionals lie for her, she was diagnosed with cervical cancer, and has had a two or three years of treatments for it.
Is she using state health insurance to get the treatments?
The only treatments I'm aware of, she paid cash for. Any treatments other than those, which she did not mention to me, I couldn't speak in regards to.
Given that they tax her business, I really wouldn't care if she were taking back some of her money, so long as she kept tabs on it and didn't get more back than she was forced to pay in. Taking back stolen money is not theft.
But, as I said, I'm not privy to her finances. The assertion, lacking proof of any sort, that she is using State health funds is not sufficient to be worth the trouble of asking. There would have to be some level of evidence presented, before it would be worth expending energy to determine the veracity of the claim.
Joe
Okay...my problem with the "cancer" story......
1. She came here and told everyone that she had been dx'd with BOTH cervical AND ovarian cancer....yes, BOTH.
2. She claimed that she had ALWAYS refused any sort of treatment and ALWAYS would, for the fact that she didn't want to poison her body with the treatment she would need...and that the treatment which had been keeping her from getting worse, was a blend of berry juices that she drank regularly. (In fact, it was on the tail of this conversation, that she divulged to me, that she wished she hadn't ever had children. I asked her if she thought about her children, when she refused the treatment that could save her life....she responded that they would be fine without her, or something like that. Now...I am a HUGE believer in non-medical/non-traditional treatment...I would never deliver a baby in a hospital, etc...I'm no "MD Lover"....but having watched people be diagnosed (at pretty early stages, too) with cervical or ovarian cancer and then *poof* just be GONE...I mean...just die, quickly....after that, having kids...I would get the damn treatment. These types of cancer, are not sicknesses that you get to just drink some berry tea with and walk around on this planet for very much longer.)
3. She would, every once in a while, be somewhere and towards the end of the night woud say things like "I'm in some pain, I'm going to go home" and rub her midsection....anyone who has watched someone die from cervical OR ovarian cancer, knows what a mockery this is. I've never seen a person in pain like that...it was agonizing. It was a horrendous way to die...getting "menstrual like" cramps every once in a while, for untreated cervical and ovarian cancer...give me a fucking break. (Oh and gee, I wonder what the chances are of concieving with ovarian cancer? I honestly don't know if it would hurt your ovulation....but it'd be interesting to know....)
4. As more and more people started questioning the odds of a person getting Cervical and Ovarian cancer at the same time...the story started changing....and changing...and changing....until the story was, that she didn't have any sort of cancer at all. But now...I guess that has changed again??
Look, Joe, I'm not trying to beat up on a woman with cancer....but when a story changes all the time like that....when she goes from ABSOLUTELY NO TREATMENT EVER EVER ("I would NEVER do that to my body!!") to...two to three yeas of treatment, paid for in cash....I'm just confused. She's been begging people for money since she fucking got here...every two months the woman has had a financial emergency which has required that she beg this community of people for "help" (chip ins, pot luck fundraisers for her, garage sales "come and donate things for the save Ivy garage sale" seeeerrriouslly, the list goes on).....never listed in her "crazy bunch of shit I need to pay for!" - has she ever mentioned cancer treatment. Food for her kids, clothing for her kids, rent money, etc...all that's been there, but a lady like Sharon...I mean, if she WERE paying for cancer treatment...that draws a lot more sympathy than "rent money!" - you know? I just have a hard time seeing her passing up the chance to say "Look, I don't have the money for this treatment...if I don't get it, I, Peters mother, will DIE!" - that's way too sweet for an emotional manipulator like her.
I man, whatever Joe. Again.....I no longer feel a burning need to make you believe anything, to explain why I beleive what I do, etc. But it is annoying, that you think that this is just me and Tammy, walking around trying to turn the world again poor poor Ivy. The truth is, we are the most vocal, because we've done themost research and talked to many many many people all over the state and in RI, who have been victimized by her and have been filled with a sense of duty to warn people....but even THAT is starting to wane as we realize that the people who wil turn a blind eye to her obvious red flags, just WILL...and that sensible people will start to realize that somethings not right. But please....don't think we;re the only people. THere are many many people, who fanatically and passionately wish to stay faaar away from the mere mention of her, and THAT is why they don't say aything. There are even more people...all around the state, not affiliated with the FSP, who keepan eye on her...many of them who live around where she is currently located...who wish *SINCERELY* that she would leave town. We are NOT the only ones, far far from it.
Oh, and scoop, Andy looks ADORABLE sober. ;)
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Btw, Andy looks good sober.
From what I recall, the imaginary person you believe you see in that photo was actually far from sober! And don't let Kelleigh hear you call her a Republican! But, she's imaginary anyway.
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Btw, Andy looks good sober.
From what I recall, the imaginary person you believe you see in that photo was actually far from sober! And don't let Kelleigh hear you call her a Republican! But, she's imaginary anyway.
You know what, now that you say that....I can recall that we have already had this conversation! I said "Oh, he looks like he hadn't started drinking yet" and you were like uummmmm noooooo. :)
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You must be a confused hypocrite because Andy is imaginary. :shock:
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And, ratty, you really need to get your imaginary butt over to my imaginary house and enjoy some imaginary conversation with the rest of the imaginary folk.
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And, ratty, you really need to get your imaginary butt over to my imaginary house and enjoy some imaginary conversation with the rest of the imaginary folk.
I know...but it's hard to go places for extended periods of time wihen you're pregnant, lazy, constantly hungry and have a one year old hanging off of you...I mean, have you SEEN her lately! She's huge! She's a thirty pounder, man! PLus, she's just as hungry as I am...really!
I should come over though, you guys always have so much fun!
ETA: You know what I just realized??? I'm going to have a little newborn in 160 days!!! I had BETTER make it a point to come over and spend time with you all this summer, before I disappear again into "itty bitty baby land" for another year. This is slightly crazy.....I feel like I JUST am coming out of being holed up in my house with a little one...now I've got this summer, then I'm back holed up again! At least this time, with him due in November, it'll be the winter months, when we're all holed up anyway....by the time summer rolls around he;ll be six months and able to come with me....but still, one in the sling and one wriggling around..it'll be harder next summer! This being my last summer of "one baby-ness" I had better USE IT! So...okay, I'll make it a point to come around more....before you guys lose me again for a year!
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h and gee, I wonder what the chances are of concieving with ovarian cancer? I honestly don't know if it would hurt your ovulation....but it'd be interesting to know....)
Nil. The two people I know who have had ovarian cancer (one is Celeste and the other Naomi) can never have kids now.
And, ratty, you really need to get your imaginary butt over to my imaginary house and enjoy some imaginary conversation with the rest of the imaginary folk.
Yea, and I and our mutual imaginary friend who's expecting her third imaginary kid need to have a playdate with you sometime...
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Natalie, like usual, you posted a bunch of assertions... with not one whit of evidence.
Given that I've caught you lying on several occasions (about things I was present for, no less), your word is worth precisely nothing.
Every claim you've made that could be disproven, as been. I mean, you claimed that she was being evicted for non-payment of rent, but she runs the court system, so she got away with it. That's a ludicrous claim, on the face of it, but even so, she went ahead and trashed it, anyway, with the records of the rent checks, which prove that she did pay rent.
You claim that she has all manner of STD's, and she offers to release the medical records.
You made all sorts of claims about the events the day the cabin they were renting in Grafton was broken-into. And I didn't have to go anywhere to find counter evidence, because I was in Grafton that day, and present for every event you claimed to "know" happened some different way.
You can't tell me that you're not making up lies about her. I've caught you too many times.
She's certainly made a number of mistakes and bad choices in her life. If you would stick to the truth, you could actually "warn people" about those things. As it stands, no one with any sense believes a word you say, because you've destroyed your own credibility. You and your circle of friends all make up stories and tell each other, and applaud yourself for "warning people." Those whom you might actually warn about things she's actually done just ignore you, because of all the obvious lies you feel the need to toss in there. You just come off as mentally-ill, at best.
Joe
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Natalie, like usual, you posted a bunch of assertions... with not one whit of evidence.
Given that I've caught you lying on several occasions (about things I was present for, no less), your word is worth precisely nothing.
Every claim you've made that could be disproven, as been. I mean, you claimed that she was being evicted for non-payment of rent, but she runs the court system, so she got away with it. That's a ludicrous claim, on the face of it, but even so, she went ahead and trashed it, anyway, with the records of the rent checks, which prove that she did pay rent.
You claim that she has all manner of STD's, and she offers to release the medical records.
You made all sorts of claims about the events the day the cabin they were renting in Grafton was broken-into. And I didn't have to go anywhere to find counter evidence, because I was in Grafton that day, and present for every event you claimed to "know" happened some different way.
You can't tell me that you're not making up lies about her. I've caught you too many times.
She's certainly made a number of mistakes and bad choices in her life. If you would stick to the truth, you could actually "warn people" about those things. As it stands, no one with any sense believes a word you say, because you've destroyed your own credibility. You and your circle of friends all make up stories and tell each other, and applaud yourself for "warning people." Those whom you might actually warn about things she's actually done just ignore you, because of all the obvious lies you feel the need to toss in there. You just come off as mentally-ill, at best.
Joe
You know what Joe...I'm done with you. 100% and officially. You haven't caught me lying about anything, ever. What can I say...there is an entire group of people, who have had both public and private conversations with her, when she first came, where she spoke openly about her cancer, etc...as I have outlined above...I don't know how you want me to prove that, and I don't know how you can disprove it? SO..again, I'm sick and tired of arguing whether or not Sharon is a lying sack....many people know she is...a few of you, circle around her like flies, insisting that she is not. Okay man, seriously...it REALLY IS okay with me that you people don't beleive what we're saying.
And we spoke directly TO her landlords....who have tried REPEATEDLY to evict her...I didn't say she ran the courts and therefore got away...it's never really been made clear to me WHY she got away with it, but she herself acknowledged that they were trying to evict her....?? Soooo??? And that's not the only landlord/tenant situation she's had....she had to move (quickly) out of an apartment when she first came to NH, after being warned that she would be evicted for non-payment....she was open about that. The home she lived in, before she had her toddler sone living in the basement of her tex-mex dive...same thing, they didn't keep up their end o the deal made with that landlord...so they had to leave. The woman makes habit of not paying people for things....this is not something I have to prove at this point...she just doesn't fucking pay people for things. Money....no money...does;'t matter. Shit, she doesn't even have to have a job, to go looking for an apartment. She tried to rent from someone within the FSP, without telling this person she'd just eben fired. THe poor guy thought she had a steady paycheck....meanwhile, she's got no money coming in and completely misrepresents this fact by not telling her potential landlord she'd been let go...that's just a shitty thing to do! What if he had rented to her....and then she didn't hve the money to pay him?? "Oh, well, I'll clean the building, whatever I can do to make it up to you...I'm looking for a job, honest...please, I've got a baby, I have nowhere to go...." what would this man have done then? Probably lost money on his apartment, letting this woman stay there for free...it's not fair. She thinks this is acceptable behavior, IT'S NOT. There is no excuse not to pay for the place where you live....there just isn't. It's a contract....you said you would pay. I thought the freestaters were all about "your word is your bond" and stuff like that?? Oh wait, they ARE....just not a few people who think it's okay for Sharon to go around fucking people out of money and housing....because, you know....she's a mother, or whatever.
I didn't claim to know which STDs she had, only that she was accused by two people who openly admitted to having sex with her, of giving them STDs....again, what the fuck? One of these people she admitted to having sex with (in RI, before she moved here) how do you want me to prove/disprove that? Also...I don't remember where it was, but she had been open at one point about having contracted something...and taken care of it, a couple of times......nynh, do you remember where that was posted? Was that her journal???
No, I'm not making up lies about her. Believe it or not, I actually have a life, FULL of things better to do, than sit around and make up lies about this trashy chick......and you haven't caught me at anything, at any point.
I'm done, dude, I simply do not care enough about this to keep going back and forth. I say she's a lying scumbag, you say she's not....it got boring a long time ago. I'm not going to argue with you anymore.
How about we do the "I won't address you, you don't address me" thing, because I just don't want to talk to you anymore, you're kind of crazy with some of the shit you say. You telling me, that I come off as mentally ill...is just...it's funy dude. It's really funny. Please....just pretend that I'm imaginary, okay? I don't want to talk to you anymore.
ETA: And no, I didn't post a unch of assertions....I posted what the fuck this lunatic SAID TO ME IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE. This is what I'm tlaking about....it's useless to go back and forth on the issue with you....you weren' there, I was, so were other people....but, again, NOT YOU....so, you say I'm lying, I say you wouldn't know either way....I wonder how many times we can pass that line back and forth. This is a waste of my time and yours, man, let it go. I'm not going to change your mind, you're not going to change mine....the people who believe your side of things, aren't going to stop doing that...and the (MANY more) people who believe what I'm saying and who were there to witness this shit and who know that it's all true....they are not going to be moved by your "persuasive arguement" and, franky, think you are just as nuts as she is. This is lose-lose....we both just end up less the time and effort with nothing to show for it.
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You ladies seem to fit right in on the BBS.
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You ladies seem to fit right in on the BBS.
We try. :lol:
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You ladies seem to fit right in on the BBS.
I don't know if you mean this as a compliment or not!! :lol: :lol:
I've actually become fed up with this place and left, TWICE, in the last couple years...it can get pretty rowdy here...got some reaaaal unruly types hangin' around!
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Natalie, the fact remains that you are a known liar. You've been proven to be a liar, on several occasions.
I mean, you make up things that don't even make a lick of sense, like claiming that she reported the break-in that happened in Grafton, from Bristol. There were something like half a dozen of us in the room when she made the report, from Grafton. So you lied.
You claimed that she didn't pay the rent on the restaurant, when she can present the proof that she did. So you lied.
We went over this on the Underground, demonstrating your lies. I can just copy the posts from there, if you like?
The fact is, you are a liar so many times over that you have zero credibility with any rational person. You can't "prove" that she told you that she had ovarian cancer (I've never known you to make that claim, before, so I'm guessing that's something you just added to your story?), but if you didn't lie constantly, I might think you had some credibility. But you don't.
Your obvious obsession with her really can't look like anything but mental illness to any outside observer. I've shown your posts to friends who are in the mental health profession, and they're rather unanimous on the subject (granted, three individuals don't make a statistical set). I don't really care whether you believe me on that. But given your harping on Ivy's competence as a mother, I really think you owe it to your children to get some treatment. Given your obvious lack of mental stability, are you really going to be providing a healthy home for your children? There are plenty of private resources out there for new mothers who are having trouble coping.
Joe
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I bet ivy works for the feds.
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yes, ratty, you are the liar.....Joe says so...so it must be so. :wink:
After all, Joe proved that I was a Fed. :shock:
And ratty, you obviously are the mentally ill one....because you talk to imaginary people. They are imaginary because Joe says so....so it must be so. He is the keeper of all things truthful you know. :wink:
After all, Joe proved that I was a Fed. :shock:
It's OK, we'll just tell people it's because of your pregnant, hormonal condition.....
Don't waste your time responding to him.
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I bet ivy works for the feds.
No, she doesn't...and i would know since I am a Fed. Joe says so. :P
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I'm just going to ping in here with a reminder that Joe has yet to provide any proof that Tammy
has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
. Maybe you're too busy accussing others of running around saying stuff without proof. I know how distracting that could be.
But actually, Rattydog...that's one of the problems I've noticed with you when you get all up in arms about Ivy. No posted proof. Obviously, conversations leave no proof (hence the phrase hearsay) but if you have any, it ought to be posted.
Given your obvious lack of mental stability, are you really going to be providing a healthy home for your children? There are plenty of private resources out there for new mothers who are having trouble coping.
Then why doesn't Ivy avail herself of them? Since you admit there are plenty of private resources for mothers, why is she getting a free pass for having used welfare (and quite possibly, abused it)? You don't consider welfare use by libertarians a wee bit hypocritical?
From what I recall, the imaginary person you believe you see in that photo was actually far from sober
hmm...I guess what I meant was "he cleans up well"...
And don't let Kelleigh hear you call her a Republican!
Oh that's right. She's a democrat. Even worse :shock:
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I bet ivy works for the feds.
Well , she;s thought nothing of working WITH them....multiple times...and, somehow, that doesn't make any of these "down to ride" fed haters even a teensy bit uncomfortable...
But if you speak out against Sharon...you may as well be flashing a badge and wearing jackboots, so far as they're concerned.
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I was trying to remember where I read Sharon's account of her cancer and how she refused to get treatment. I'll guess that it was on nhfree....since that was the only forum a couple of years ago.....but her posts there are gone from there now. I do recall that she said that she would never take treatment because it was poison. And I have witnessed the menstrual-like cramping she has because of her cancer.
It is amazing however that Sharon has survived for years now having two types of cancer that were obviously serious enough to be causing her physical distress. And imagine, with all the details that she posts about her trials and tribulations, she doesn't mention her battle with cancer. I would imagine there would have been at least a chip-in to pay for the treatments she was receiving....whatever treatments they were. But Joe knows, because he delivered payment for them....and Joe is the keeper of all things truthful. :?
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I'm just going to ping in here with a reminder that Joe has yet to provide any proof that Tammy has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
. Maybe you're too busy accussing others of running around saying stuff without proof. I know how distracting that could be.
But actually, Rattydog...that's one of the problems I've noticed with you when you get all up in arms about Ivy. No posted proof. Obviously, conversations leave no proof (hence the phrase hearsay) but if you have any, it ought to be posted.
Given your obvious lack of mental stability, are you really going to be providing a healthy home for your children? There are plenty of private resources out there for new mothers who are having trouble coping.
Then why doesn't Ivy avail herself of them? Since you admit there are plenty of private resources for mothers, why is she getting a free pass for having used welfare (and quite possibly, abused it)? You don't consider welfare use by libertarians a wee bit hypocritical?
From what I recall, the imaginary person you believe you see in that photo was actually far from sober
hmm...I guess what I meant was "he cleans up well"...
And don't let Kelleigh hear you call her a Republican!
Oh that's right. She's a democrat. Even worse :shock:
See but that's the problem...I don't feel comfortable railroading people who have already been run through the ringer by this woman, for the sake of making myself look better. If somebody asks me no to say their names, either due to an ongoing court case/investigation, because they are afraid for retaliation or because they are embarassed to have their name come up in the same sentence as hers....I'm not going to say anything. Scoop, you should SEE some of the shit that nynh and I have sitting in our email inboxes...it's insane...a lot of stuff that was written to me BY SHARON....but good peoples names are dragged through the mud....how I am supposed to be cool with posting crap like that? I can't. I'm cool with people not beleiving me as a result. If her public behavior is not enough to make someone question her obvious lies...well...okay. What proof I have ever posted, even when it was HER OWN WORDS, has been completely disregarded by the people I was posting it for....while people who know what she is and support shunning her are, behind the scenes, PMing me, calling me or messaging me, to say "dont get so frustrated, you're not going to change any minds, let it go" - so I decided to start listening to them. I'm sick of obsessing, spending so much time collecting evidence, talking to people around the state, reading through past journal entries of hers (seriously, sit and read, sit and read through the last few years of what's been compiled of her entries and posts online...the woman is insane, and completely devoid of any real emotional attachements to people she's hurt. It's stunning. OUTRIGHT lies about people we all know, things that are just RIDICULOUS to say "We're in love" "He and I had an amazing night" about people who don't even realize she thinks they are having a relationship..the woman is not okay)...it's just crazy. I've let go of caring if people see her for what she is....she is, what she is. Her crazy cycle will run it's course...some people will be slower than others to catch on, but eventualy they will....she will leave town and move somewhere else, AGAIN, and it will start anew.
What drives me crazy, is the number of times that her own words have been brought into conversation, to directly contradict what she says ACTUALLY happened in such-and-such a case....and nobody fucking blinks. People have such short goddamn memories...it's really infuriating. So...you know....her livejournal links ahve been posted. All of the forums keep record of what was said, what happened at the time that shit went down....anyone who cares to see that the woman can't keep the lies straight, has plenty of access to the fact....you wannna know what's up? Do what other people did....reaserch. This is the age of the interwebs, after all. Look up her address, find the names of the people who rent to her, etc...there are people out there who hate her guts and are more than willing to talk about what she's done to them. People have already done the legwork....when the findings were reported, nobody cared. So...okay. Neither do I. You know?
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Who's the piece in the blue dress?
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Who's the piece in the blue dress?
Keith Murphys wife...Kelleigh Murphy.
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Who's the piece in the blue dress?
ny2nh.
She said she was the black dress with the short hair.
Behind her is a girl with long curly blond hair in a baby blue dress.
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Who's the piece in the blue dress?
ny2nh.
She said she was the black dress with the short hair.
Behind her is a girl with long curly blond hair in a baby blue dress.
I know...I fixed it before you replied! Check the edit, Mr. :lol:
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I'm just going to ping in here with a reminder that Joe has yet to provide any proof that Tammy has been known to go on about how men just want her, and she turns them down. I don't see it, but I'm not into bestiality, so that may be the problem.
. Maybe you're too busy accussing others of running around saying stuff without proof. I know how distracting that could be.
Go read her posts on various forums, if you care. I don't care enough to bother. Feel free to disbelieve me, if you like. Since I'm not obsessive, I really don't care.
But actually, Rattydog...that's one of the problems I've noticed with you when you get all up in arms about Ivy. No posted proof. Obviously, conversations leave no proof (hence the phrase hearsay) but if you have any, it ought to be posted.
Except when she makes claims about things where there is proof. Like where a home invasion was reported from, or whether rent was paid. And the proof invariably contradicts her lies.
Then why doesn't Ivy avail herself of them? Since you admit there are plenty of private resources for mothers, why is she getting a free pass for having used welfare (and quite possibly, abused it)? You don't consider welfare use by libertarians a wee bit hypocritical?
I don't consider taking stolen funds back from the thief to be hypocritical. If someone stole your car, would you just refuse to take it back?
In any case, what resources would she need to avail herself of? I expect she and Bill will probably get some relationship counseling.
Well , she;s thought nothing of working WITH them....multiple times...and, somehow, that doesn't make any of these "down to ride" fed haters even a teensy bit uncomfortable...
When? Surely, if that's the case, there are court documents to prove it, right? Or did she make those disappear, because of the massive conspiracy by which she runs the court system?
with all the details that she posts about her trials and tribulations, she doesn't mention her battle with cancer. I would imagine there would have been at least a chip-in to pay for the treatments she was receiving....whatever treatments they were. But Joe knows, because he delivered payment for them....and Joe is the keeper of all things truthful. :?
She has posted about having cervical cancer on the Underground, like you claimed. I doubt the thread has disappeared - I've never seen Ivy delete a post, unlike your friend Natalie, who admits to deleting posts because she was getting called on her lies too often.
I'm sick of obsessing, spending so much time collecting evidence, talking to people around the state, reading through past journal entries of hers...
At least you've admitted that you've been obsessing. Acknowledging that you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery. If you can post such an admission on an Internet forum, surely you can go speak to a mental health professional in a caring environment, and make the same admission? Then you can start getting the help that you need.
Joe
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Who's the piece in the blue dress?
ny2nh.
She said she was the black dress with the short hair.
Behind her is a girl with long curly blond hair in a baby blue dress.
I know...I fixed it before you replied! Check the edit, Mr. :lol:
TY.
Note to self: Buy bar.
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Wow dude.
I've got my own opinions about the situation and Ivy, some of which I have stated, but this Ratty Dog/Ny2NH tag team is just to much.
You ladies know how ridiculous you sound right? Even if you're right about things, you clearly have a thing for gossiping, and are enjoying this a little to much for me to take anything you say seriously.
:lol:
It's like watching a bunch of high school girls pick on someone they don't like. Hilarious.
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It's like watching a bunch of high school girls pick on someone they don't like. Hilarious.
I bet they brought out the margarita mix last night.
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Just searching to see if the cancer posts were someplace else...and came across a funny thing that Joe was doing on nhteaparty a while back.....
There are two threads.....one started by I think Beth or Sharon in regards to someone tampering with their mail or something....
https://www.nhteaparty.org/index.php/topic,859.0.html
and the other titled "Fluoride settles?" which I can't seem to find now. This one says it was started by me....but I don;t recall starting that thread...
In both threads, Joe Brown, being the upstanding, truthful person that he is, was not only delting my posts, he was changing the content of my posts to say things other than what I had written. He also goes on at length about how I am a fed and what his proof is.
Content to follow....
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It's like watching a bunch of high school girls pick on someone they don't like. Hilarious.
I was just commenting the other day how happy I am that we can continue high school forever through the internet. I'll never have to miss my troubled youth.
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You know soundwave...I wan't "that girl" in highschool and I'm not "that girl" now. I have never engaged in anything like this at any other time in my life. This human being is the only person to ever provoke this level/type of disgust in me....but, you're right. It is over the top, for the simple fact that nothing but negativity can come of the chit chat, etc...so, on that note. I'm out.
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Title: Re: Its not my department!
ny2nh
Go away, Fed...
beth221
wait, posts are disappearing from the tea party?? I would expect that on the "other" forum..
I will be in touch with Error.
Kevin A. Roll
Joe has been removing Tammy's posts for months, and has publicly accused her of being a Federal agent. It's rather sad, since the entire thing appears to be a fantasy invented to defend Sharon. Joe, please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Kevin A. Roll
Um, wow, and in fact he was in the process of doing it at the moment I typed that...
MaineShark
Quote from Scowlin' Sara Jones
wait, posts are disappearing from the tea party?? I would expect that on the "other" forum..
I will be in touch with Error.
No posts have been deleted, except by their own authors.
The text of Tammy's posts has been removed on several occasions because she insists on posting here after promising not to. This is a forum for discussion of liberty in NH, not for Fed provocateurs...
Quote from Kevin A. Roll
Joe has been removing Tammy's posts for months, and has publicly accused her of being a Federal agent. It's rather sad, since the entire thing appears to be a fantasy invented to defend Sharon. Joe, please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Barely over a month, actually. And no posts have been deleted, except by their own authors. If you don't see a message header, then there was never a post.
The evidence for Tammy being a Fed has nothing to do with Sharon. I was convinced she was a Fed long before I ever knew of the dispute between those two. Sufficient evidence to justify acting developed as a result of that, but that was, as stated, simply additional evidence that supported the original determination.
As I stated on the NHLA forum, my response has nothing whatsoever to do with defending Sharon. That Tammy chose to provide evidence of her career as a result of her interaction with Sharon was solely her choice, and my response would have been identical regardless of whether I liked, disliked, or was indifferent towards the individual that Tammy chose to act in response to.
Joe
beth221
i like tammy, i look forward to getting to know her more!
Kevin A. Roll
OK, then let's see the evidence. If there really is a Fed provocateur in our midst, then I fully support the exposure and ostracism of that person, just as in this other situation we are presently dealing with.
Otherwise, as I stated to you in private, I don't want to participate in another forum with a different Russell.
MaineShark
Quote from Kevin A. Roll
OK, then let's see the evidence. If there really is a Fed provocateur in our midst, then I fully support the exposure and ostracism of that person, just as in this other situation we are presently dealing with. Otherwise, as I stated to you in private, I don't want to participate in another forum with a different Russell.
Did I not share the evidence with you via email?
For that matter, there's no comparison to the Underground. Tammy voluntarily promised not to visit here. She has chosen to violate that promise. By all standards of conduct, she is not being censored; merely held to the agreement that she chose to make. If Rob had voluntarily stated that he would leave the Underground, and then went back, I would not accuse Kat&Russell of censoring him. The fact that they unilaterally made that choice led to the original creation of this forum.
I expect folks to adhere to the contracts they make. If someone promises not to post here and does so, anyway, then I will help that individual adhere to their promise.
Even the punk from Australia who was going on about how guns are evil was not banned - merely ridiculed. No one will be banned merely for posting unpopular ideas.
Joe
Kevin A. Roll
No, I have seen no evidence. I'm breathless with anticipation.
MaineShark
Quote from Kevin A. Roll
No, I have seen no evidence. I'm breathless with anticipation.
If you would like me to post the emails here, I think I can find them. I have a business phone call in a couple minutes, and several meetings this weekend, so it may not be immediate (or it may be, if the line is busy). But if you really don't recall the discussion, I expect I can post it here.
Tammy is not a priority. You are a friend, and assuaging your concerns is, but putting bread on the table has to take priority, so please bear with me if I can't find the emails and copy them here immediately...
Joe
beth221
Quote from Scowlin' Sara Jones
wait, posts are disappearing from the tea party?? I would expect that on the "other" forum..
I will be in touch with Error.
I have spoken with Michael. He wants Joe to call him ASAP.
error
I'd like to see this evidence, too. Everything I have been able to ascertain leads me to believe the opposite.
ny2nh
Foolish Fed...
beth221
omg joe, have you lost your gourd?
I think i want to read her posts, and make a decision for myself, if she is what you are claiming.
MaineShark
Quote from Scowlin' Sara Jones
omg joe, have you lost your gourd?
I think i want to read her posts, and make a decision for myself, if she is what you are claiming.
Um, how would reading her posts help with that? All she posted was how she never said what was in her post, and how I must be sneakily editing them ('cause the "edited by" at the bottom is so hard to see, apparently) and other inane drivel.
Let's see...
A- I have lots of experience dealing with Feds. Southern Maine has a rather high population, on account of the Bush family place in Kennebunkport. They stick out in a crowd.
B- Tammy always acts to create division, while attempting to ingratiate herself with the established groups. Can anyone think of an example of her behaving in a manner that was anything other than one of those two?
C- Tammy is supposed to be some print-shop owner, right? Anyone ever heard of her actually doing any business? Other than brokering purchases from other shops? I showed her my business card, which is a standard Vistaprint layout. Not only was she inordinately impressed with it (c'mon, this is Vistaprint suff - it's nothing fancy), but she thought the foil portions were metallic ink. I am very far from being an expert on printing, but even I can tell the difference between foil and metallic ink. I think many folks could manage that, and anyone who owns a print shop should have no trouble at all with that. It would be like if you asked me to look at your heating system, and I didn't know if it was a furnace or a boiler. So, obvious cover story.
D- Tammy demonstrates obvious homophobia and bigotry. How many libertarians do you know who are homophobes or bigots? How many Feds are?
E- Someone close to Rob has obviously been reporting about him to the Feds. Who has gone out of her way to ingratiate herself with Rob?
G- Libertarians always respect private property. Always. Tammy said she would not post here, and any libertarian would honor that, regardless of other issues. Private property is the basis of all libertarian thought. Anyone who does not respect private property automatically, without even having to think about it should be immediately suspect.
F- Do you really need me to continue? Feds are easy to spot.
Joe
beth221
Joeyou have hijacked my thread. please move it to another spot, and I would like tammy's posts on dog and or post office related things placed back.. I am interested in what she was saying.
MaineShark
Quote from Scowlin' Sara Jones
you have hijacked my thread. please move it to another spot,...
Actually, you, Kevin, and Michael asked. But topic split, anyway.
Quote from Scowlin' Sara Jones
...and I would like tammy's posts on dog and or post office related things placed back.. I am interested in what she was saying.
You can continue to want that. I don't archive Federal provocateurs' inane drivel.
There was nothing about "dog or post office related things" in her posts. It was only inane drivel...
She has promised not to post here, and I will hold her to that.
This is a forum for liberty-lovers in NH. It is not a forum for Fed provocateurs.
Joe
beth221
i remember seeing something very briefly she wrote relating to this topic. but, then it was replaced with go away fed.
error
I'm disturbed that someone is being accused on this forum of being some sort of agent provocateur and not being given an opportunity to respond to those accusations.
I also didn't want to start this forum just in order to see people's posts removed, by whatever means, simply because someone is suspicious of them.
If you're serious about keeping Tammy off this forum, Joe, quit screwing around with deleting Tammy's posts and just ban her outright. But I, for one, am going to reserve judgment until I hear the other side of the story.
ny2nh
Bye, Fed...
(not my post)
ny2nh
Michael -
I appreciate that you are reserving judgment on this. Joe seems to be the only one who believes that I am the Federal provocateur - yet refuses to provide whatever this "evidence" that he insists he sent to Kevin is.
I hope your trek is going far less eventful than this thread is.
Tammy
ny2nh
I figured it out.....
Joe is a Fed!
He must be. Would a libertarian intentionally squash someone's communications by deleting them or editing them?
Warning, Will Rogers, we have a Fed among us. Joe Brown.
error
All right, I've had just about enough of this bullshit. Joe, quit it NOW.
beth221
thanks Michael, happy trails.
Now, what were you saying Tammy about talk of a Manchester Dog park or something??
beth221
Ok, i see this has been split from my original post.. confused here. maybe label this one something else..
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The Tardis
I don't know any of the people involved and have no opinions on the subject except for this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monsters_Are_Due_on_Maple_Street)
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4LEmrQ3sxs)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udFk0YnBNs8)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzAGZHOqH74)
Regards,
SH
Friday
And to think, Tammy moved to the Free State before any of us libertarians showed up, just lying in wait so she could report back to los Federales about us. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Thanks again for printing the raffle tickets, Tammy; they look great!
Friday
Quote from Scowlin' Sara Jones
I am interested in what she was saying.
FYI, Tammy has been banned.
error
The ban on Tammy has been temporarily lifted by the rightful owner of this forum (that is, me) until such time as I can ascertain the truth. I have asked Joe to clarify his position re Tammy to me, but he has so far failed to respond with anything substantive.
error
I should also clarify that while I own the forum, Joe owns the domain name nhteaparty.org. It is therefore within the realm of possibility that he will decide to take his marbles and go home, as it were, since I find his behavior on my forum intolerable.
Should this happen, I will be in touch with one or two of you regarding contingency plans.
Kevin A. Roll
NH Bee Party?
NH Me Hearties?
NH Foolhardy?
beth221
lol, I am up for a name change. I dont want to worry about someone calling ME a fed, or editing MY posts. Anything could happen, right?
NHDramaFree
Lloyd
I was thinking about you Mike, when I heard about the Tornado that went thru Atlanta.
ny2nh
Quote from error
I should also clarify that while I own the forum, Joe owns the domain name nhteaparty.org. It is therefore within the realm of possibility that he will decide to take his marbles and go home, as it were, since I find his behavior on my forum intolerable. Should this happen, I will be in touch with one or two of you regarding contingency plans.
Michael -
Thank you for the ban lift. I would also really like to know what exactly Joe believes proves that I am some sort of fed agent. It is truly laughable. He cannot come up with anything because there is nothing to come up with. It's as simple as that.
Hike safely.
Insurgent
Threads like this is why I haven't been posting anything in the last few months.
Personally, I think you're all FEDS-- from different agencies. This board has turned has turned in to a Fed-vs-FED board. This is what an episode of Jerry Springer would look like titled "NSA Agents Sleeping With FBI Agents--Whose Secrets Are Whose?"
beth221
HA!
Kevin A. Roll
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I would also really like to know what exactly Joe believes proves that I am some sort of fed agent. It is truly laughable.[/size]
It's on page 1 of this thread. It's 6 items that basically add up to "well, I have a hunch..."
ny2nh
Oh....THAT evidence. I see
How is it that I am "someone close to Rob"?
Cap'n Argus Bloodbeard
I once worked for the federal government through a contracting agency.
I've since quit working for the federal government through a contracting agency.
This ex-fed-once-removed has also already moved forward with countercountermeasures from the non-fed Joe Brown. You'll all see the new domain name that is also pointing to this site when I get my vanity liberty plate.
Mums the word to all ye' stinkin scallywags that're too close for my own good and already heard me whispering the secret name of my new fair vessel!
Lloyd
As long as we are being honest here, I have to admit to being a 'fed' employee from March of 1968 until July of 1971. To my credit, I quit early on and went home. They came and took me back. I went home again and they came and got me. I kept submitting my resignation (from their jail), but, it was ignored. Finally, after 40 months of trying, 11 of them in jail and twice that 'on the run', they finally accepted my resignation.
beth221
Uhh, what do you do when there is a fed-twice removed sleeping in your bed?
I think my roomy is one too!
ancapagency
Quote from Scowlin' Sara Jones
Uhh, what do you do when there is a fed-twice removed sleeping in your bed?
I think my roomy is one too!
Stay awake and keep your eye on them shifty bastards! Take every opportunity to steal the covers from the one in your bed. See if you can, er, "snuggle up to him" for information--known in the trade as a "honey pot" operation. :)
shyfrog
(http://www.shyfrog.net/images/exfed.gif)
ny2nh
Well - know if all of you are either feds or ex-feds, how is it that Joe says I stick out so much??? And here I was thinking I was something special. ;)
Nice graphic Lou!
Kevin A. Roll
I have my suspicions that Nadia is a Fed. Consider the evidence:
1. I once saw a police dog, so I have lots of experience at spotting them in a crowd.
2. Nadia tries to divide other dogs and get all of the attention herself.
3. Nadia is an absolute failure at running any kind of business.
4. Nadia does not respect property rights and takes food from others.
5. She wears a radio receiver around her neck... perhaps to receive instructions from
Quantico?
What should I do???
beth221
You know, come to think of it, Daisy has a RFID, I wonder if her chip is sharing information with Nadia's collar.
Rocketman
Quote
I have my suspicions that Nadia is a Fed. Consider the evidence:
1. I once saw a police dog, so I have lots of experience at spotting them in a crowd.
2. Nadia tries to divide other dogs and get all of the attention herself.
3. Nadia is an absolute failure at running any kind of business.
4. Nadia does not respect property rights and takes food from others.
5. She wears a radio receiver around her neck... perhaps to receive instructions from Quantico?
What should I do???
Nadia a fed, Delia a Democrat, not sure which is worse... :P
If Joe wants to really do his homework, why doesn't he ask one of the free staters who has worked in her print shop? They must have been feds, too, brought in to sustain the "print shop" lie! Let's test them all for knowledge about printing methods!
And geez, when did Tammy ever ingratiate herself to Rob?!?! My recollection is that her attitude towards Rob has always been the exact opposite.
Way to take charge, Error! I might actually stop by this forum periodically, if it's going to be properly administered!
ny2nh
Quote from Rocketman
Nadia a fed, Delia a Democrat, not sure which is worse... :P
If Joe wants to really do his homework, why doesn't he ask one of the free staters who has worked in her print shop? They must have been feds, too, brought in to sustain the "print shop" lie! Let's test them all for knowledge about printing methods!
And geez, when did Tammy ever ingratiate herself to Rob?!?! My recollection is that her attitude towards Rob has always been the exact opposite.
Way to take charge, Error! I might actually stop by this forum periodically, if it's going to be properly administered!
Thanks Rocketman!
Yes, I employed another fed - a gay one at that!!! - to promote the facade. Of course, I'm not sure that the person in question could tell you much about actual printing! For that matter, I have done work for a bunch of free staters - yourself included....and the LPNH....but, that was also just part of the facade. : )
See some of you tonite...I'll be the undercover agent just posing as a girl in need of a beer. : )
Joy
Quote from Kevin A. Roll
I have my suspicions that Nadia is a Fed. Consider the evidence:
1. I once saw a police dog, so I have lots of experience at spotting them in a crowd.
2. Nadia tries to divide other dogs and get all of the attention herself.
3. Nadia is an absolute failure at running any kind of business.
4. Nadia does not respect property rights and takes food from others.
5. She wears a radio receiver around her neck... perhaps to receive instructions from Quantico?
What should I do???
:o Why didn't I think of this?! It explains so much. I don't think my Petee-dog is a Fed, but I would bet that he is being used by the REAL Fed in my household... Emmy the cat!
ny2nh
You know, I was going to post my suspicions about my cats, too. Smoky just randomly showed up a year or so ago....just showed up and ingratiated herself into my life. And, like Kevin mentioned with his dog, she doesn't seem to have any business skills either.
Lloyd
The collar with the microphone and satellite dish, he came with, didn't make you curious?
beth221
the breeder told me it was a free gift with purchase.
my bad!
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Wow dude.
I've got my own opinions about the situation and Ivy, some of which I have stated, but this Ratty Dog/Ny2NH tag team is just to much.
You ladies know how ridiculous you sound right? Even if you're right about things, you clearly have a thing for gossiping, and are enjoying this a little to much for me to take anything you say seriously.
:lol:
It's like watching a bunch of high school girls pick on someone they don't like. Hilarious.
This is just the 411 that gets traded p2p, with sources cited.
At least online they can point to their references, whereas in person it would be all mouth. This provides a higher degree of accuracy, in a way, because their words are hanging out there with their name tagged to it. They own it. In person they can stack the bullshit deeper, arrange the 'facts', and say "I never said that".
This can provide a higher level of personal responsibility, on both parties; the subject and the reporter.
If people know a social faux pas will be churned in these forums, maybe they will be more careful of the things they do. This can be extremely beneficial in such a small and intimate community.
Not surprisingly, there are topic lines that vary in controversy and are more gender specific, such as the rabble over AJ's irresponsible gun-toting, which many of the hens may read but wave off with a piffle, but still make a mental note as it indicates a social danger. In any case, it still illuminates an overwhelming majority who disapproves of those behaviors, whatever they may be.
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Go read her posts on various forums, if you care. I don't care enough to bother. Feel free to disbelieve me, if you like. Since I'm not obsessive, I really don't care.
I have, which is why I'm puzzeled. I don't recall a single instance where she's done that. Nice, though, that you can get away with posting unfounded allegations about other people. It's not hypocrisy when MaineShark does it!
I don't consider taking stolen funds back from the thief to be hypocritical. If someone stole your car, would you just refuse to take it back?
Um, money isn't a car. You have no way to make sure that the money you get back is the same exact money you paid in. Furthermore, when the state sees its welfare rolls grow, it doesn't think "oh my! All those wiley taxpayers, getting the money back out of the system we stole from them!" It thinks, "hey, look at all those people who need our help! We better increase taxes so we can pay for all these needy people!" In other words, participating in welfare programs increases welfare programs.
In other words, I consider your justification an extremely lame defense of actions a libertarian---especially an anarchist!--would otherwise deplore.
In any case, what resources would she need to avail herself of? I expect she and Bill will probably get some relationship counseling.
Well, actually, I was referring to the aid to new mothers you mentioned. But if you think that she and Bill need counseling, I suppose they might be interested in that, as well.
She has posted about having cervical cancer on the Underground, like you claimed. I doubt the thread has disappeared - I've never seen Ivy delete a post, unlike your friend Natalie, who admits to deleting posts because she was getting called on her lies too often.
Actually, that's the weird thing: all of Ivy's posts are gone from NHunderground. ALL of them. Take this thread (http://"http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=10057.0"), for example. On page 3, you can see where she's been quoted:
Quote from: ivyleague28477 on August 16, 2007, 07:28 AM NHFT
Quote from: Dan on August 06, 2007, 09:05 PM NHFT
To paraphrase: She's had it, and now sees herself a little stuck without it. She'll adapt and overcome. In fact maybe now she'll start climbing that ladder. It was one of the things holding her back in RI.
...and guys, she's single.
and: HEYYYYYYYYY and I thought Beth was bad trying to set me up all the time... you brat! Grin
At least Beth puts a little thought into it!
Quote from: ivyleague28477 on August 16, 2007, 07:28 AM NHFT
Just as an update, I got a letter today saying the CCA will be ending "For reasons which you will be notified of later." as of August 25th.... ironically, the 25th is my move date, and I will be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome home!!
But none of her posts are there at all. I know it's not because her account has been deleted. I deleted my account and all my posts are still there. The only way they could all go missing is if she herself deleted them. Why would she want to do that?
Furthermore, Porcupine Kate (when relating to me the story of her and Bill's breakup) told me how Beth posted a thread on NHunderground detailing the breakup that was 100% approved by Kate and then Ivy went Kat and claimed that she, Kate and Bill wanted the thread removed, so Kat deleted it. In other words, she lied to have a thread deleted that would have otherwise been damaging to herself.
See but that's the problem...I don't feel comfortable railroading people who have already been run through the ringer by this woman, for the sake of making myself look better. If somebody asks me no to say their names, either due to an ongoing court case/investigation, because they are afraid for retaliation or because they are embarassed to have their name come up in the same sentence as hers.
And that, dear readers is the problem. Decent people are discrete. Decent people do not want every lurid detail of their relationships posted online. The problem with this is that people like Ivy rely on decent people's discretion in order to get away with the things they get away with. Unfortunately, I think it is necessary that all evidence regarding Ivy's character be aired out in the open, regardless of how it affects those who were either dumb, ignorant or unfortunate enough to be involved with her. Their names might be besmirched in the shortrun (especially those who found themselves involved with her through no choice of their own), but it is necessary.
I think RattyDog and ny2nh need to ask permission of those involved to post the evidence they have, in public, where it can be dealt with.
Additionally, I think Coconut needs to come out with his story. I know he doesn't want to and that he was already embarrassed by Ivy's highly detailed but "skewed at best" account, but otherwise the evidence we have is from Bill and Ivy and they tend to put the blame squarely on him.
Not surprisingly, there are topic lines that vary in controversy and are more gender specific, such as the rabble over AJ's irresponsible gun-toting, which many of the hens may read but wave off with a piffle, but still make a mental note as it indicates a social danger. In any case, it still illuminates an overwhelming majority who disapproves of those behaviors, whatever they may be.
Actually, I was ignorant of that entire episode until I read through this thread last week. What an idiot. My only consolation is that people who are stupid with guns tend not to be long for this world.
On a side note, since this is the Free State Drama thread, I've been wondering why administration of NHteaparty switched from Error to J'raxis. Does anyone know why?
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I bet ivy works for the feds.
Ivy will work for anyone so long as she can do it on her back.
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I bet ivy works for the feds.
Ivy will work for anyone so long as she can do it on her back.
:twisted:
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all of Ivy's posts are gone from NHunderground. ALL of them.
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But none of her posts are there at all. I know it's not because her account has been deleted. I deleted my account and all my posts are still there. The only way they could all go missing is if she herself deleted them. Why would she want to do that?
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They banned me, and then deleted all my posts. So I assume they also deleted all of Ivy's post too.
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Additionally, I think Coconut needs to come out with his story. I know he doesn't want to and that he was already embarrassed by Ivy's highly detailed but "skewed at best" account, but otherwise the evidence we have is from Bill and Ivy and they tend to put the blame squarely on him.
Mostly everyone is already "on my side" so to speak.
I don't care if Bill thinks I pushed the issue with her. I don't need to sway his opinion or Ivy's. And hardly anyone else seems to blame me or care. If it makes him feel better about staying with Ivy, that's probably best for everyone. I guess could be swayed, but as of now I don't see a legitimate reason to share personal details.
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After having sex with Ivy, Coconut started crying,
"Are you going to hate yourself in the morning?" Ivy asked
"No I hate myself now" Coconut replied.
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Baselessly accusing someone of being a Fed is far more destructive to the credibility of a person than any accusations made by that person against others of "lying" or "misrepresenting" anything. MaineShark, you've got no legs to stand on, which is appropriate for a fish.
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There's only one thing wrong with Ivy's face - it shows.
One night I asked a cabbie to take me where the action is, he took me to Ivy's house.
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Baselessly accusing someone of being a Fed is far more destructive to the credibility of a person than any accusations made by that person against others of "lying" or "misrepresenting" anything. MaineShark, you've got no legs to stand on, which is appropriate for a fish.
Has anyone proven that Zack Bass is a fed yet? He's been accused of that by lots of FSP people here.
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Zack Bass is a fed. I have proof. Pazuzu told me.
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Where's Rebel, I wanna annoyingly flirt with him again.
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Personally, other than Bill, Rob, Kevin, and Nick, I'm not aware of anyone she's had any sort of sexual contact with since moving to NH. That's the list of men I'm aware of her hitting on, too.
I sincerely hope this was not a reference to me. Please clarify.
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all of Ivy's posts are gone from NHunderground. ALL of them.
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But none of her posts are there at all. I know it's not because her account has been deleted. I deleted my account and all my posts are still there. The only way they could all go missing is if she herself deleted them. Why would she want to do that?
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They banned me, and then deleted all my posts. So I assume they also deleted all of Ivy's post too.
Really? Is that what usually happens when you get banned? If so, that's dumb.
Mostly everyone is already "on my side" so to speak.
I don't care if Bill thinks I pushed the issue with her. I don't need to sway his opinion or Ivy's. And hardly anyone else seems to blame me or care. If it makes him feel better about staying with Ivy, that's probably best for everyone. I guess could be swayed, but as of now I don't see a legitimate reason to share personal details.
That's good. At any rate, enough information is out there for the next person who wants/needs it. I hope you google the people you go out with next time, Coconut ;).
I sincerely hope this was not a reference to me. Please clarify.
Soooo, need an STD test? Maybe if you get a group of people together, you can get an "Ivy discount" ;)
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One night I asked a cabbie to take me where the action is, he took me to Ivy's house.
Did he give you a coupon for a free shot of penicillin as well?
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all of Ivy's posts are gone from NHunderground. ALL of them.
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But none of her posts are there at all. I know it's not because her account has been deleted. I deleted my account and all my posts are still there. The only way they could all go missing is if she herself deleted them. Why would she want to do that?
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They banned me, and then deleted all my posts. So I assume they also deleted all of Ivy's post too.
Really? Is that what usually happens when you get banned? If so, that's dumb.
No. They only do that to people they really like.
Also, they didn't delete my post right away when they banned me.
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One night I asked a cabbie to take me where the action is, he took me to Ivy's house.
Did he give you a coupon for a free shot of penicillin as well?
No, just a couple shots of whiskey.
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On a side note, since this is the Free State Drama thread, I've been wondering why administration of NHteaparty switched from Error to J'raxis. Does anyone know why?
I think when error when off to hike the AT, he had j'raxis doing the moderating. Error actually had to call from his hike to tell Joe to stop being an ass. I think it was after that when error walked away from nhteaparty. I might be wrong, someone else might know better.
Speaking of error, he was one of the folks who "stormed out" of Murphy's the night that Ivy showed up. But if he's imaginary, can he have really stored out.....and is so, would anyone see him do that?
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People who storm out don't matter.
People who storm in do.
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Likely, Tammy or rattydog will be chiming in in the morning.
I feel left out. Rebel, do I not matter? :(
Awhhh, I'm sorry. Time for a group hug :lol:
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You're right, thescoop, ALL of her posts are gone. In this one, I replied to her post, and I remember it clearly, too:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12693.0
he had me up until the line "go dutch". >:D
He just knows that you can't buy love. Apparently, he also prefers to not rent it, either.
:icon_pirat:
You can't buy love, you can't steal it, you can't force it. It's either there or it's not - sometimes people get all consumed and can't see what is reality and what is not.
I never understood why women think that the guy should have to buy their way either. I usually say if I ask, I pay. And that only lasts a little while until it becomes more of I'll cook you dinner....or you'll cook me dinner....or we'll just cook dinner together. I've never needed to be wined & dined - I guess I'm just far too practical for that. The amount of $$ a guy spends on me doesn't really impress me....it's more of the things that he does for me that is impressive.
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Where's Rebel, I wanna annoyingly flirt with him again.
Right here, Bucko. But don't flirt with me at PorcFest, I have a pristine image to uphold. :lol:
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Personally, other than Bill, Rob, Kevin, and Nick, I'm not aware of anyone she's had any sort of sexual contact with since moving to NH. That's the list of men I'm aware of her hitting on, too.
I sincerely hope this was not a reference to me. Please clarify.
Joe would never say anything he doesn't know for a fact to be true, right? Of course, God only knows what story Ivy could have made up about you.....not that she ever makes anything up.
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Where's Rebel, I wanna annoyingly flirt with him again.
Right here, Bucko. But don't flirt with me at PorcFest, I have a pristine image to uphold. :lol:
It'll be ok. I'm well behaved. Until the alcohol kicks in.
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Where's Rebel, I wanna annoyingly flirt with him again.
Right here, Bucko. But don't flirt with me at PorcFest, I have a pristine image to uphold. :lol:
It'll be ok. I'm well behaved. Until the alcohol kicks in.
Then you'll need a heavy dose of cannibis. Oh, and do something about your avatar pic - it's disturbing.
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Oh, and do something about your avatar pic - it's disturbing.
Same can be said of yours.
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Oh, and do something about your avatar pic - it's disturbing.
Better?
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Oh, and do something about your avatar pic - it's disturbing.
Same can be said of yours.
I'm sorry that V disturbs you. How bout a rebel flag?
Oh, and do something about your avatar pic - it's disturbing.
Better?
No.
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Shameless bump for more entertainment.
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Shameless bump for more entertainment.
no u
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Shameless bump for more entertainment.
no u
Beej, you gonna try and score with Ivy at P-fest? Better bring your rain coat.
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Error wears pasties when he goes swimming, or any time he thinks he might have to take off his shirt.
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Error wears pasties when he goes swimming, or any time he thinks he might have to take off his shirt.
What's a pastie? And where has blowjob gone off to?
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http://www.boobybling.com/pasties.htm
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Pasties are either stickers that cover strippers nipples, or baked dough filled with mashed potatoes, both amusingly appropriate.
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Error wears pasties when he goes swimming, or any time he thinks he might have to take off his shirt.
What's a pastie? And where has blowjob gone off to?
I'll keep posting if you post a picture of yourself.
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http://www.boobybling.com/pasties.htm
LOL @ boobybling!
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Error wears pasties when he goes swimming, or any time he thinks he might have to take off his shirt.
What's a pastie? And where has blowjob gone off to?
I'll keep posting if you post a picture of yourself.
I can't, Tammy won't be able to contain herself.
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Error wears pasties when he goes swimming, or any time he thinks he might have to take off his shirt.
What's a pastie? And where has blowjob gone off to?
I'll keep posting if you post a picture of yourself.
I can't, Tammy won't be able to contain herself.
your loss
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Error wears pasties when he goes swimming, or any time he thinks he might have to take off his shirt.
What's a pastie? And where has blowjob gone off to?
I'll keep posting if you post a picture of yourself.
I can't, Tammy won't be able to contain herself.
your loss
Check your PMs, ya jerk. I'm gonna revoke our friendship if you don't follow through on your end of the deal.
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Shameless bump for more entertainment.
no u
Beej, you gonna try and score with Ivy at P-fest? Better bring your rain coat.
For what? I'm not gonna break her water. My dick isn't big enough to poke the bun out of her oven.
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Shameless bump for more entertainment.
no u
Beej, you gonna try and score with Ivy at P-fest? Better bring your rain coat.
For what? I'm not gonna break her water. My dick isn't big enough to poke the bun out of her oven.
OMG, that's hilarious! You should really try, it's not hard from what I hear. Channeling Tammy, ratty or the scoopster...
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You should really try, it's not hard from what I hear.
My penis cures cancer and sluttyness.
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You should really try, it's not hard from what I hear.
My penis cures cancer and sluttyness.
So, you're a JACK of all trades?
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So, you're a JACK of all trades?
I need a handy,man.
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So, you're a JACK of all trades?
I need a handy,man.
Your handy doesn't work? BTW, did you hear my call on the extra edition of the Monday night show?
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BTW, did you hear my call on the extra edition of the Monday night show?
i only listen to FTL if someone mentions something ridiculous happened on it.
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BTW, did you hear my call on the extra edition of the Monday night show?
i only listen to FTL if someone mentions something ridiculous happened on it.
I was being ridiculous on Monday night, faded too. I was trying to hold Mark's feet to the fire about the Ivy situation.
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BTW, did you hear my call on the extra edition of the Monday night show?
i only listen to FTL if someone mentions something ridiculous happened on it.
I was being ridiculous on Monday night, faded too. I was trying to hold Mark's feet to the fire about the Ivy situation.
Like, how?
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BTW, did you hear my call on the extra edition of the Monday night show?
i only listen to FTL if someone mentions something ridiculous happened on it.
I was being ridiculous on Monday night, faded too. I was trying to hold Mark's feet to the fire about the Ivy situation.
Like, how?
Listen and you'll see, I was on for a hot second. Mark was attempting to not answer my questions but I prevailed.
Edit: All guests that are viewing for their pleasure should get accounts and chime in. blowjob (aka bonerjoe) is being gay again.
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I CANT KEEP GOING ON FOREVER
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I CANT KEEP GOING ON FOREVER
Golly, that was a sucky post. If I could smite you, I would. And stop replying in CAPS cause you mold yourself as a conspiracy idiot. If this is any indication of your performance at p-fest, I will :lol: at you. Oh, you might want to become an amplifier before you come, so you can partake in the funtent. Otherwise you can spectate from the peanut gallery.
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I CANT KEEP GOING ON FOREVER
Golly, that was a sucky post. If I could smite you, I would. And stop replying in CAPS cause you mold yourself as a conspiracy idiot.
[youtube=425,350]wjmh3RhyT-4[/youtube]
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I CANT KEEP GOING ON FOREVER
Golly, that was a sucky post. If I could smite you, I would. And stop replying in CAPS cause you mold yourself as a conspiracy idiot.
[youtube=425,350]wjmh3RhyT-4[/youtube]
After your last link post, I won't be watching that. It looks creepy and lifeless already. And, I don't view things that aren't rated 5 stars.
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Please take Sally there, Jay. Oh, please please please.
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Please take Sally there, Jay. Oh, please please please.
I'm lost :?
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Someone needs to feed my appetite for drama, soon. Otherwise, I'm gonna be a wreck at p-fest.
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Please take Sally there, Jay. Oh, please please please.
Don't have any on me, had to dump it all when they made it a felony here.
Could pick some up tho.
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Please take Sally there, Jay. Oh, please please please.
Don't have any on me, had to dump it all when they made it a felony here.
Could pick some up tho.
Not funny, but lame.
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Please take Sally there, Jay. Oh, please please please.
Don't have any on me, had to dump it all when they made it a felony here.
Could pick some up tho.
Not funny, but lame.
Don't make me give you a hot karl.
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Please take Sally there, Jay. Oh, please please please.
Don't have any on me, had to dump it all when they made it a felony here.
Could pick some up tho.
Not funny, but lame.
Don't make me give you a hot karl.
Oh Gawwwwwwwd. You have the mind of a butthead. What about a dirty sanchez? Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
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Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
only if you go in my tent
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Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
only if you go in my tent
Can't, got pussy lined up.
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Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
only if you go in my tent
Can't, got pussy lined up.
Out tha door.
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Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
only if you go in my tent
Can't, got pussy lined up.
Out tha door.
Poor baby. I'm gonna hook you up with Tammy, so chill.
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Could pick some up tho.
shrug
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Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
only if you go in my tent
Can't, got pussy lined up.
Out tha door.
Poor baby. I'm gonna hook you up with Tammy, so chill.
Do I need to bring gear oil?
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Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
only if you go in my tent
Can't, got pussy lined up.
Out tha door.
Poor baby. I'm gonna hook you up with Tammy, so chill.
Do I need to bring gear oil?
Likely, she'll let you know what toys/tools you should bring. She's so straight-edged that she might not even kiss on the 1st date. Good thing you're here the whole weekend... She's hot though.
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Luv you, Tammy. I couldn't resist. On a side note, I just ordered a horizontal over-the-shoulder black leather holster from Riley's in Hooksett. Should be here in 3 months plus they wanted a down payment today.
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If you like this thread, join the freestateproject.org (http://freestateproject.org) to get involved.
The FSP does not endorse this.
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If you like this thread, join the freestateproject.org (http://freestateproject.org) to get involved.
The FSP does not endorse this.
I speak in official capacity for the FSP and they adore this thread. J/K
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I don't believe you.
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I don't believe you.
I've been authorized to speak on the behalf of Sorens. I sleep in the same bed that he and his wife did during the LF. I changed the sheets though. Very comfy. J/K
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Did he sneak off to a secret Skull and Bones meeting?
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Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
only if you go in my tent
Can't, got pussy lined up.
Out tha door.
Poor baby. I'm gonna hook you up with Tammy, so chill.
Sorry, dude, but you're SOL since I read your post about the cost of a 30pk of Coors here. Seriously.....a Coors 30pk?? :roll:
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I know this is an odd question but is there some sort of unfulfilled need for Mexican Restaurants in NH? There seems to be two Mexican Restaurants now connected in someway with the FSP. I was thinking about a Southern BBQ / country kitchen sort of restaurant. I would naturally have to import Cheerwine, moonpies, grits, okra, cornmeal, and Aunt Bertie's Brewed Sweet Tea. But the other items needed should be easy enough to obtain locally. I suppose it would be dependent on the numbers of home sick southerns in the state wouldn't it. It would also depend on the restrictions for decorating the exterior of the place.
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I know this is an odd question but is there some sort of unfulfilled need for Mexican Restaurants in NH? There seems to be two Mexican Restaurants now connected in someway with the FSP. I was thinking about a Southern BBQ / country kitchen sort of restaurant. I would naturally have to import Cheerwine, moonpies, grits, okra, cornmeal, and Aunt Bertie's Brewed Sweet Tea. But the other items needed should be easy enough to obtain locally. I suppose it would be dependent on the numbers of home sick southerns in the state wouldn't it. It would also depend on the restrictions for decorating the exterior of the place.
There's no Mexican restaurants there because there's no market for them. I think I read that Ivy's restaurant had barely a customer a week.
In this economy, I would not invest in any kind of food establishment. Unless it's a cheap hot dog cart.
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I don't consider taking stolen funds back from the thief to be hypocritical. If someone stole your car, would you just refuse to take it back?
Um, money isn't a car. You have no way to make sure that the money you get back is the same exact money you paid in. Furthermore, when the state sees its welfare rolls grow, it doesn't think "oh my! All those wiley taxpayers, getting the money back out of the system we stole from them!" It thinks, "hey, look at all those people who need our help! We better increase taxes so we can pay for all these needy people!" In other words, participating in welfare programs increases welfare programs.
In other words, I consider your justification an extremely lame defense of actions a libertarian---especially an anarchist!--would otherwise deplore.
No libertarian would believe that nonsense. The State is just trying to help the poor unfortunates? Who believes something that stupid?
The State's goal is to oppress and destroy. End of story. They will do that, regardless of if one individual or a million sign up for "welfare."
In any case, what resources would she need to avail herself of? I expect she and Bill will probably get some relationship counseling.
Well, actually, I was referring to the aid to new mothers you mentioned. But if you think that she and Bill need counseling, I suppose they might be interested in that, as well.
I'm not aware of her having a need for those sorts of resources. Her behavior has not been indicative of someone suffering from postpartum psychological problems.
But none of her posts are there at all. I know it's not because her account has been deleted. I deleted my account and all my posts are still there. The only way they could all go missing is if she herself deleted them. Why would she want to do that?
Actually, they could be gone if Kat decided to delete them. Which she has been known to do.
Furthermore, Porcupine Kate (when relating to me the story of her and Bill's breakup) told me how Beth posted a thread on NHunderground detailing the breakup that was 100% approved by Kate and then Ivy went Kat and claimed that she, Kate and Bill wanted the thread removed, so Kat deleted it. In other words, she lied to have a thread deleted that would have otherwise been damaging to herself.
LMAO. Don't make up stories about real people and real events. You should learn from Natalie. Folks who were actually there will show up and refute your claims. For starters, there's no way Kat would believe Ivy on that, without checking with Kate. Additionally, Kate spoke out against the nonsense that was going on in that thread. Bill and Kate are both dear friends, and I was extensively involved in helping both of them through that time. I know what Kate had to say about folks like Tammy, and their behavior.
Baselessly accusing someone of being a Fed is far more destructive to the credibility of a person than any accusations made by that person against others of "lying" or "misrepresenting" anything. MaineShark, you've got no legs to stand on, which is appropriate for a fish.
Who said anything about "baseless?"
Personally, other than Bill, Rob, Kevin, and Nick, I'm not aware of anyone she's had any sort of sexual contact with since moving to NH. That's the list of men I'm aware of her hitting on, too.
I sincerely hope this was not a reference to me. Please clarify.
Yes, that is. The details are on the Free Keene forum, but if you'd like them posted on more forums, here you go:
"If we're going to get things "on the record," Kevin, numerous individuals (myself included - I think there is even a video of it, somewhere) have witnessed you sticking your face in her chest at a party. So it's really not hard to imagine that (presuming your claim is even true), she might have had cause to think you were interested. I hope that helps you in your quest to make sure that "the record" is accurate."
I think when error when off to hike the AT, he had j'raxis doing the moderating. Error actually had to call from his hike to tell Joe to stop being an ass. I think it was after that when error walked away from nhteaparty. I might be wrong, someone else might know better.
Um, no. The Tea Party belonged to myself and my wife. Michael volunteered to administer it, then stole it. He continued to operate it without interference from us, until the SSL certificate expired. Since Bill had donated the certificate, and he didn't want to talk to Bill, he was unable to renew the certificate, and shut the site down rather than set up a new one. Jeremy contacted us and asked us what was up, and we explained the situation. He then offered to take over, in exchange for co-ownership. Given that he has proven himself to be trustworthy, we agreed, and he has run it ever since.
And no, he didn't call me from the AT. He had Beth contact me, asking me to call him, which I did, but he did not answer his phone or return my call, because he's a passive-aggressive child.
Joe
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I know this is an odd question but is there some sort of unfulfilled need for Mexican Restaurants in NH? There seems to be two Mexican Restaurants now connected in someway with the FSP. I was thinking about a Southern BBQ / country kitchen sort of restaurant. I would naturally have to import Cheerwine, moonpies, grits, okra, cornmeal, and Aunt Bertie's Brewed Sweet Tea. But the other items needed should be easy enough to obtain locally. I suppose it would be dependent on the numbers of home sick southerns in the state wouldn't it. It would also depend on the restrictions for decorating the exterior of the place.
There's no Mexican restaurants there because there's no market for them. I think I read that Ivy's restaurant had barely a customer a week.
In this economy, I would not invest in any kind of food establishment. Unless it's a cheap hot dog cart.
While you're right about not investing in a restaurant, I'm more inclined to think that she just sucked royally at running the place. It's pretty clear she's terrible at financial management. If there's a hole in the market for something like a Mexican restaurant, and someone who knows what the fuck they're doing is running it, they can do just fine.
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I know this is an odd question but is there some sort of unfulfilled need for Mexican Restaurants in NH? There seems to be two Mexican Restaurants now connected in someway with the FSP. I was thinking about a Southern BBQ / country kitchen sort of restaurant. I would naturally have to import Cheerwine, moonpies, grits, okra, cornmeal, and Aunt Bertie's Brewed Sweet Tea. But the other items needed should be easy enough to obtain locally. I suppose it would be dependent on the numbers of home sick southerns in the state wouldn't it. It would also depend on the restrictions for decorating the exterior of the place.
There are a couple BBQ places in Manchester. There are few Southern places. Derry has a Cracker Barrel.
There are Mexican places all over NH but nothing like in the South. Keene has two Mexican places. NH has a lot more seafood and pizza places than most of the South. There are also a ton of coffee shop type places with over 1/2 of them being DD.
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Nashua, Concord, and Manchester have several Mexican-style restaurants each.
I like Dos Hermanos in Concord.
Frankly, I think the restaurant business is a tough one to be in no matter where you live, especially in a recession when people are cutting out discretionary spending.
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The State is just trying to help the poor unfortunates? Who believes something that stupid?[/quote
Um, the state would? That's why I posted it in quote. I imagine if they tried to get people to sign up for welfare by saying they were trying to enslave people, fewer people would sign up. But it is interesting you think that welfare simultaneously liberates and enslaves:
The State's goal is to oppress and destroy. End of story. They will do that, regardless of if one individual or a million sign up for "welfare."
I don't consider taking stolen funds back from the thief to be hypocritical. If someone stole your car, would you just refuse to take it back?
Remember kids, the state isn't opressing you through welfare, it's giving you a way to get your money back! Except, it is opressing because it's the state! And will keep oppressing and destroying you! Except it's not! But it is! Yay, freedom!
I'm not aware of her having a need for those sorts of resources. Her behavior has not been indicative of someone suffering from postpartum psychological problems.
Oh, so that's what you were hinting at natalie. Except for the fact that she's not postpartum yet, but hey, since when have you been the type of guy to let details get in the way of your claims?
Don't make up stories about real people and real events.
No problem, I'll leave that to you. Because it happened. See, I was actually out of town when the whole thing hit the fan, but when Kate stayed over at PorcCentral because she had to be at Wilson Hill for a class the next morning, we talked for a while in the kitchen and she told me what all happened. But I guess since you weren't there, you'd be the one more likely to know what happened.
I know what Kate had to say about folks like Tammy, and their behavior.
Yea, that must be why Kate spends so much time over at Tammy's and why Tammy is helping her plan out her wedding: because Kate disapproves so much of Tammy.
I think I'm going to start a list of MaineShark's Baseless Claims:
1. I don´t exist and am just a figment of my imagination.
2. Tammy constantly talks about all the men following her.
3. MaineShark isn't into bestiality.
4. Tammy's a Fed.
5. Kevin slept with Ivy.
I find #5's "proof" the most entertaining:
"If we're going to get things "on the record," Kevin, numerous individuals (myself included - I think there is even a video of it, somewhere) have witnessed you sticking your face in her chest at a party. So it's really not hard to imagine that (presuming your claim is even true), she might have had cause to think you were interested. I hope that helps you in your quest to make sure that "the record" is accurate."
Crap, that means my son's a whore---he does that to women ALL THE TIME! And notice how there is no video, and no one else to backc up MaineShark's statement.
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But do you really expect anyone to keep track of how much they put in, and how much they get out? I doubt many people do that.
Spreadsheets make it rather easy. Ivy is a math nerd, so I don't imagine she would find it much of a challenge.
I didn't say it would by hard to do, I just doubt many people would do it.
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In this economy, I would not invest in any kind of food establishment. Unless it's a cheap hot dog cart.
While you're right about not investing in a restaurant, I'm more inclined to think that she just sucked royally at running the place. It's pretty clear she's terrible at financial management.
Ivy is a math wiz. I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
Also, running a restaurant in NH makes you a tax collector.
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While you're right about not investing in a restaurant, I'm more inclined to think that she just sucked royally at running the place.
Possibly. I'm just saying, not the type of eating place I'd pick to open in NH, that's all.
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I know this is an odd question but is there some sort of unfulfilled need for Mexican Restaurants in NH? There seems to be two Mexican Restaurants now connected in someway with the FSP. I was thinking about a Southern BBQ / country kitchen sort of restaurant. I would naturally have to import Cheerwine, moonpies, grits, okra, cornmeal, and Aunt Bertie's Brewed Sweet Tea. But the other items needed should be easy enough to obtain locally. I suppose it would be dependent on the numbers of home sick southerns in the state wouldn't it. It would also depend on the restrictions for decorating the exterior of the place.
When I first signed up for the FSP, back around late 2007 or early 2008, I signed up at the nhunderground bbs. My very first posts were about the possible economic opportunities up there. Coming as I would be from Arizona, also being very skilled in the kitchen, and having experience working in several restaurants, caterers and banquet facilities at various levels, I proposed that it would be a great idea to open an authentic Mexican restaurant up there.
The thread is here:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13781.msg237113#msg237113
...or here:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13784.msg237164#msg237164
I wonder how long after that that Ivy opened up her Tex-Mex place? I knew it was a restaurant, but I had no idea they were making Mexican food. Funny.
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When I first signed up for the FSP, back around late 2007 or early 2008, I signed up at the nhunderground bbs. My very first posts were about the possible economic opportunities up there. Coming as I would be from Arizona, also being very skilled in the kitchen, and having experience working in several restaurants, caterers and banquet facilities at various levels, I proposed that it would be a great idea to open an authentic Mexican restaurant up there.
The thread is here:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13781.msg237113#msg237113
...or here:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13784.msg237164#msg237164
I wonder how long after that that Ivy opened up her Tex-Mex place? I knew it was a restaurant, but I had no idea they were making Mexican food. Funny.
I think I remember your post - as I was thinking there are already Mexican restaurants here in NH. Now, it's not the same as what you would get in So Cal or Arizona....but we have Mexican foor. Manchester/Hooksett has Margaritas, Shorty's and La Caretta....and I think one or two smaller places downtown....and what is supposed to be an incredibly authentic taco truck over on Lake Ave.
I've heard some people say the food at Ivy's was good....but more often than not I have heard far less favorbale reviews about not on the food, but people's impression of the place and the owners. I also heard that the sign is painted on a piece of butrcher paper hanging in the window. Makes me wonder if there was ever a real business plan in place. Silly Bill.
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But none of her posts are there at all. I know it's not because her account has been deleted. I deleted my account and all my posts are still there. The only way they could all go missing is if she herself deleted them. Why would she want to do that?
Actually, they could be gone if Kat decided to delete them. Which she has been known to do.
Furthermore, Porcupine Kate (when relating to me the story of her and Bill's breakup) told me how Beth posted a thread on NHunderground detailing the breakup that was 100% approved by Kate and then Ivy went Kat and claimed that she, Kate and Bill wanted the thread removed, so Kat deleted it. In other words, she lied to have a thread deleted that would have otherwise been damaging to herself.
LMAO. Don't make up stories about real people and real events. You should learn from Natalie. Folks who were actually there will show up and refute your claims. For starters, there's no way Kat would believe Ivy on that, without checking with Kate. Additionally, Kate spoke out against the nonsense that was going on in that thread. Bill and Kate are both dear friends, and I was extensively involved in helping both of them through that time. I know what Kate had to say about folks like Tammy, and their behavior.
My imaginary friend Kate - who I imagined was here with her imaginary soon-to-be-husband on Friday doesn't seem to have an issue with me. You can ask your wife if it seems as though Kate and I are anything less then good friends when we're all together at Kate's Shower next month. Actually, you'll probably be able to tell that Kate and I are friends when you see all of us at Porcfest....we're all camping together. Imaginary camping of course. :lol:
Bu Joe knows everything and can prove it, too.
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Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
only if you go in my tent
Can't, got pussy lined up.
Out tha door.
Poor baby. I'm gonna hook you up with Tammy, so chill.
Sorry, dude, but you're SOL since I read your post about the cost of a 30pk of Coors here. Seriously.....a Coors 30pk?? :roll:
Oops, I've touched on a very sensitive subject w/ Tammy here... I stand corrected about the 30 pack, I think I meant a 36 pk. Keep in mind, I've laid off the beer drinking because of the calorie intake, now I'm a wino. :lol:
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I'm on the Night Train, ready to crash and burn!
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Baselessly accusing someone of being a Fed is far more destructive to the credibility of a person than any accusations made by that person against others of "lying" or "misrepresenting" anything. MaineShark, you've got no legs to stand on, which is appropriate for a fish.
Who said anything about "baseless?"
I read all the relevant threads, and it's abundantly clear that you had absolutely no evidence to corroborate your utterly baseless assertion that she is, or ever was, a Federal agent.
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But it is interesting you think that welfare simultaneously liberates and enslaves:
The State's goal is to oppress and destroy. End of story. They will do that, regardless of if one individual or a million sign up for "welfare."
I don't consider taking stolen funds back from the thief to be hypocritical. If someone stole your car, would you just refuse to take it back?
Remember kids, the state isn't opressing you through welfare, it's giving you a way to get your money back! Except, it is opressing because it's the state! And will keep oppressing and destroying you! Except it's not! But it is! Yay, freedom!
I never said anything about the State liberating anything. Taking money back is no different from taking back your stolen car.
Oh, so that's what you were hinting at natalie. Except for the fact that she's not postpartum yet, but hey, since when have you been the type of guy to let details get in the way of your claims?
She's pregnant with her second child, last I heard. The beginning of her fixation with Ivy seems to begin at a time that would be very coincidental with her previous pregnancy.
No problem, I'll leave that to you. Because it happened. See, I was actually out of town when the whole thing hit the fan, but when Kate stayed over at PorcCentral because she had to be at Wilson Hill for a class the next morning, we talked for a while in the kitchen and she told me what all happened. But I guess since you weren't there, you'd be the one more likely to know what happened.
You were out of town, so you were there?
I wasn't "out of town" when things happened. I was right here, helping two friends through a very difficult time. Aside from numerous emails back and forth with Kate, we also hosted a mediation session between Bill and Kate, a few days after they split up. Your little fantasy conversations don't trump actually supporting a real person who was in real pain. Your attempts to put words in her mouth - which directly contradict what she's said and written - in order to further your agenda are disgusting, at their very best.
Yea, that must be why Kate spends so much time over at Tammy's and why Tammy is helping her plan out her wedding: because Kate disapproves so much of Tammy.
I'll take Kate's word over yours, thanks.
5. Kevin slept with Ivy.
I find #5's "proof" the most entertaining:
"If we're going to get things "on the record," Kevin, numerous individuals (myself included - I think there is even a video of it, somewhere) have witnessed you sticking your face in her chest at a party. So it's really not hard to imagine that (presuming your claim is even true), she might have had cause to think you were interested. I hope that helps you in your quest to make sure that "the record" is accurate."
Crap, that means my son's a whore---he does that to women ALL THE TIME! And notice how there is no video, and no one else to backc up MaineShark's statement.
When did I claim that Kevin slept with Ivy, pray tell? I quite specifically said "sexual contact." Unless, what, he had an eyelash in his eye, and her nipple was the only convenient thing to use to get it out?
Let's see what Kevin has to say about the events, shall we?
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thescoop.....Joe knows everything....and he has proof to back it all up. It doesn't matter what reality is though because Joe knows better.
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Let's see what Kevin has to say about the events, shall we?
I say it never happened and you're a goddamned liar. Fair enough? Dave doesn't seem to have the video posted on his site - I tried all the keywords I could think of - but I'm sure we can obtain it if you really want to bicker about this. The closest thing I recall to this scenario was when both Sharon and Beth tried to pull me into the shower, and I forcefully yanked myself out because I didn't want to go in. And if sticking your face in someone's chest (which never happened) constitutes sexual contact, you must be the reverse Bill Clinton.
You are truly living in your own reality if you think that I ever came on to or flirted with Sharon. Honestly, it blows my mind. I met her at Dan and Beth's long before she ever moved to NH and I thought she was a skank from day one. I tolerated her antics until the Rob situation, and that was it.
I'm really quite done with this latest drama... I've had a good laugh about it... but I'm not going to tolerate having my name slandered in this fashion.
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Libeled.
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And out of the blue Jesse starts an aggressive conversation:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104
As some of you may be aware, several members of this group are running for city council and positions in the local government. While I see nothing wrong with running on the face of it (it could prove to be a great opportunity to lampoon the government), I do not think there can be any real moral justification for actually participating in government. Moral action alone, which is to say, voluntary action which ranges from counter-economics to peaceful protest, is all we need to abolish government. We do not need to join the State to abolish the State anymore than we need to join the Army to end war; the methodology is not pragmatic, immoral, and ultimately contradictory.
This all said, following from what we all believe, government is criminal and violent in its nature. If you join the government, at all, for any reason, you're a criminal, and I will not have you in my home. Unless you have a warrant, you're not permitted in my apartment, and I will treat your trespass as a threat. I will meet it with the same force I'd use against any other criminal who came unwelcome into my home, so let this be a clear warning-- I will not abide or tolerate criminals in my home, and members of this community will not receive any special exception.
Also, should anyone participating in government that is associated with this community come in my home, I'll break your jaw.
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And out of the blue Jesse starts an aggressive conversation:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104
As some of you may be aware, several members of this group are running for city council and positions in the local government. While I see nothing wrong with running on the face of it (it could prove to be a great opportunity to lampoon the government), I do not think there can be any real moral justification for actually participating in government. Moral action alone, which is to say, voluntary action which ranges from counter-economics to peaceful protest, is all we need to abolish government. We do not need to join the State to abolish the State anymore than we need to join the Army to end war; the methodology is not pragmatic, immoral, and ultimately contradictory.
This all said, following from what we all believe, government is criminal and violent in its nature. If you join the government, at all, for any reason, you're a criminal, and I will not have you in my home. Unless you have a warrant, you're not permitted in my apartment, and I will treat your trespass as a threat. I will meet it with the same force I'd use against any other criminal who came unwelcome into my home, so let this be a clear warning-- I will not abide or tolerate criminals in my home, and members of this community will not receive any special exception.
Also, should anyone participating in government that is associated with this community come in my home, I'll break your jaw.
ROFL. I should wave my driver's license in his face and caper about in front of him at Porcfest to see if that qualifies.
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And out of the blue Jesse starts an aggressive conversation:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104
As some of you may be aware, several members of this group are running for city council and positions in the local government. While I see nothing wrong with running on the face of it (it could prove to be a great opportunity to lampoon the government), I do not think there can be any real moral justification for actually participating in government. Moral action alone, which is to say, voluntary action which ranges from counter-economics to peaceful protest, is all we need to abolish government. We do not need to join the State to abolish the State anymore than we need to join the Army to end war; the methodology is not pragmatic, immoral, and ultimately contradictory.
This all said, following from what we all believe, government is criminal and violent in its nature. If you join the government, at all, for any reason, you're a criminal, and I will not have you in my home. Unless you have a warrant, you're not permitted in my apartment, and I will treat your trespass as a threat. I will meet it with the same force I'd use against any other criminal who came unwelcome into my home, so let this be a clear warning-- I will not abide or tolerate criminals in my home, and members of this community will not receive any special exception.
Also, should anyone participating in government that is associated with this community come in my home, I'll break your jaw.
ROFL. I should wave my driver's license in his face and caper about in front of him at Porcfest to see if that qualifies.
It's getting hot in here
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ROFL. I should wave my driver's license in his face and caper about in front of him at Porcfest to see if that qualifies.
Whether he hits you or not, I want a video of you capering.
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We also need some more funny one-liners asap
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I'm saving them for porcfest.
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We also need some more funny one-liners asap
Corduroy pillows are making headlines!
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We also need some more funny one-liners asap
Corduroy pillows are making headlines!
Oneliners are more funny when they reference someone or someone's past post.
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We also need some more funny one-liners asap
Corduroy pillows are making headlines!
I giggled at that. Can I giggle at that? I giggled at that.
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What an off night in here, shameful.
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ROFL. I should wave my driver's license in his face and caper about in front of him at Porcfest to see if that qualifies.
Whether he hits you or not, I want a video of you capering.
I'll do the "Little Goody Two Shoes" dance.
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What's the difference between a certain someone and Jell-o? Jell-o wiggles when you eat it. I'm tryin...
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What's the difference between beer and a certain someone? A hangover goes away or a beer never nags you in days to come, apparently physically. K, this isn't attracting any fun.
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ROFL. I should wave my driver's license in his face and caper about in front of him at Porcfest to see if that qualifies.
Whether he hits you or not, I want a video of you capering.
I'll do the "Little Goody Two Shoes" dance.
I bet he thinks he's Good Ashe, too.
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Jesse has officially lost it at FK. http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0). He just belittled the entire movement there and it will make for great press by the Sentinel. I regret giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I will be on guard at p-fest, in many ways. I have to protect my family that is coming and I can't let a madman go wild. Flat-out.
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You know, it pisses me off that people like AJ won't accept the fact that the only way to possibly protect ourselves from more government tyranny is getting ourselves elected. You want principles, go live in the fucking woods with yourself and a fur mitt to jack off with.
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Jesse has officially lost it at FK. http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0). He just belittled the entire movement there and it will make for great press by the Sentinel. I regret giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I will be on guard at p-fest, in many ways. I have to protect my family that is coming and I can't let a madman go wild. Flat-out.
What? This is the same Jesse we have always known. He didn't lose anything. He doesn't seem to be threatening anyone at this point, as long as they aren't running for office or something and inside a place that he rents and doesn't own.
If you cannot handle the heat of vocal anarchists, don't call yourself an anarchist (I don't think you are, anyway). He if you afraid Jesse will freak out on you, don't be intoxicated near him, it isn't that hard.
By saying you are not coming to Keene because of a few words by one man, you are the one who appears to have lost it.
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Nutbags are bags full of nuts. Pics + DIVX at 11.
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Jesse has officially lost it at FK. http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0). He just belittled the entire movement there and it will make for great press by the Sentinel. I regret giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I will be on guard at p-fest, in many ways. I have to protect my family that is coming and I can't let a madman go wild. Flat-out.
What? This is the same Jesse we have always known. He didn't lose anything. He doesn't seem to be threatening anyone at this point, as long as they aren't running for office or something and inside a place that he rents and doesn't own.
If you cannot handle the heat of vocal anarchists, don't call yourself an anarchist (I don't think you are, anyway). He if you afraid Jesse will freak out on you, don't be intoxicated near him, it isn't that hard.
By saying you are not coming to Keene because of a few words by one man, you are the one who appears to have lost it.
I'll go ahead and protect myself with geography, thanks.
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Jesse has officially lost it at FK. http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0). He just belittled the entire movement there and it will make for great press by the Sentinel. I regret giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I will be on guard at p-fest, in many ways. I have to protect my family that is coming and I can't let a madman go wild. Flat-out.
What? This is the same Jesse we have always known. He didn't lose anything. He doesn't seem to be threatening anyone at this point, as long as they aren't running for office or something and inside a place that he rents and doesn't own.
If you cannot handle the heat of vocal anarchists, don't call yourself an anarchist (I don't think you are, anyway). He if you afraid Jesse will freak out on you, don't be intoxicated near him, it isn't that hard.
By saying you are not coming to Keene because of a few words by one man, you are the one who appears to have lost it.
Jesse never had it to begin with. He doesn't have an ounce of common sense. He has been known to completely lose his temper and go nuts and he thinks that every stupid thing he's done is morally right. That makes that mother fucker dangerous.
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I'll go ahead and protect myself with geography, thanks.
Protect your family from what? Does your family work for the government? Do they plan on breaking in Jesse's apartment? If they do, Jesse has the right to protect himself from your family. Maybe tell your family not to break into Jesse's place?
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I'll go ahead and protect myself with geography, thanks.
Protect your family from what? Does you family work for the government? Do they plan on breaking in Jesse's apartment? If they do, Jesse has the right to protect himself from your family. Because tell your family not to break into Jesse's place.
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Keith and Stuff was better when he drank.
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Keith and Stuff was a lot more fun when he wasn't trying to defend a fucking psychopath.
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AnarchoJesse -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM
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I love that movie.
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I'll go ahead and protect myself with geography, thanks.
Protect your family from what? Does you family work for the government? Do they plan on breaking in Jesse's apartment? If they do, Jesse has the right to protect himself from your family. Because tell your family not to break into Jesse's place.
wat
Sorry for the errors. I edited the post.
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Jesse has officially lost it at FK. http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.0). He just belittled the entire movement there and it will make for great press by the Sentinel. I regret giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I will be on guard at p-fest, in many ways. I have to protect my family that is coming and I can't let a madman go wild. Flat-out.
What? This is the same Jesse we have always known. He didn't lose anything. He doesn't seem to be threatening anyone at this point, as long as they aren't running for office or something and inside a place that he rents and doesn't own.
If you cannot handle the heat of vocal anarchists, don't call yourself an anarchist (I don't think you are, anyway). He if you afraid Jesse will freak out on you, don't be intoxicated near him, it isn't that hard.
By saying you are not coming to Keene because of a few words by one man, you are the one who appears to have lost it.
I really appreciate the fact that you side with kookoo-for-kokopuffs over me, point taken. And as far as me being intoxicated, we're not in mormonville, dude. Can I have some drinks and be unimpeded? Thx. I don't threaten people like your stated homeboy...even when I'm lit. Am I not capable to do severe damage if I wanted to? But, you know I wouldn't hurt a fly. If I wanted to be a gangster, I wouldn't need to move here, I could get into plenty of problems where I came from, chief. I've known plenty unsavory characters that you wouldn't want to know, but I'm trying to forget people like that and get to know people like you.
If you want to know, I could be the most unsavory person you'll ever meet. My name may go along way back in the hoodie. May, but I like you Keith more than most others, plz don't make me sorry for that. Luv ya.
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I've reflected and have stood up like a real man and have embraced freedom regardless of the mouthpiece involved. Can the man at stake do the same?
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(http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10071/2j0c9rc.jpg) (http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10071/2j0c9rc.jpg)
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Rebel and several others of you may be trolling on the FKF, http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.msg11012#msg11012
OK, Rebel either likes to troll or is a seriously drunk poster or maybe something else entirely :) , http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.msg11018#msg11018
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I know this is an odd question but is there some sort of unfulfilled need for Mexican Restaurants in NH? There seems to be two Mexican Restaurants now connected in someway with the FSP. I was thinking about a Southern BBQ / country kitchen sort of restaurant. I would naturally have to import Cheerwine, moonpies, grits, okra, cornmeal, and Aunt Bertie's Brewed Sweet Tea. But the other items needed should be easy enough to obtain locally. I suppose it would be dependent on the numbers of home sick southerns in the state wouldn't it. It would also depend on the restrictions for decorating the exterior of the place.
There are a couple BBQ places in Manchester. There are few Southern places. Derry has a Cracker Barrel.
There are Mexican places all over NH but nothing like in the South. Keene has two Mexican places. NH has a lot more seafood and pizza places than most of the South. There are also a ton of coffee shop type places with over 1/2 of them being DD.
I am talking about a real BBQ / Country cooking sort of place not something generic like no offense Cracker Barrel. A real southerner thinks Cracker Barrel is an abomination. There are even essays on the suckiness of Cracker Barrel.
http://hkentcraig.com/BBQ.html (http://hkentcraig.com/BBQ.html) This is a great site to explain about BBQ NC Eastern style vs Western. And this is my favorite BBQ place in all of NC that I have found to date. http://hkentcraig.com/BBQ42.html (http://hkentcraig.com/BBQ42.html) I know Mr. Lloyd Lewis, he is about the best BBQ chef around and I have even had the privilege of going out to the cookhouse for a tour. They still keep the smoke cookhouse separate from the main store. Anyway if you take a peek, it is more like a subway with BBQ. You go down the line with a tray and pick out an entree with two or three side dishes plus maybe a desert with a drink usually sweet tea. Now a great many people simply do the takeaway thing and buy a family dinner to go. They serve on paper plates and the prices are actually very low. A plate for a person with a drink is around $5.50. I think their business actually has a bump during bad times as people want the most bang for their money. I will have to swing by their this weekend and pick up a meal for the family. You can get a family takeaway meal to feed 4 - 6 people for under 20 bucks, you can't even do that with Domino's anymore. Oh BBQ catering for an event can't be beat for price. I managed to buy enough BBQ and fixings to feed 100 people for right around $200 dollars. I can say I have never seen the parking lot empty except when the place is closed.
Now if I had to do the franchise thing I would pick Smithfield BBQ. While it is more commercial the food and atmosphere is acceptable. http://scnbnc.com/locations.php (http://scnbnc.com/locations.php) If any of you are home sick up there in NH they actually will send an emergency BBQ pack to you for a fee. The mail order stuff is very expensive but they have to send it overnight and pack it in dry ice that is what costs the money. http://scnbnc.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=5 (http://scnbnc.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=5)(http://projects.newsobserver.com/sites/projects.newsobserver.com/files/images/FOOD%20337.preview.jpg)Typical pulled pork plate with coleslaw, potato salad and hush puppies.
If you ever find yourself in Durham NC or at RTP for any reason and don't go to eat some of Mr. Lewis's BBQ it would be like going to New Orleans and not going to Domilise’s Po-Boy & Bar http://www.nolacuisine.com/2008/05/17/domilises-po-boy-bar/ (http://www.nolacuisine.com/2008/05/17/domilises-po-boy-bar/). It wouldn't ruin your trip but you would be missing out on a local favorite dining experience.
As for becoming a tax collector for the state. I suppose you mean the only sales tax is on restaurant food. What is the restaurant tax rate in NH?
Up in the NC Mountains there is an open air bbq pit. It consist of two fire pits with grads over them under a roof structure with no walls. They start the night before cooking a couple of pigs in one pit the other pit is devoted to chicken bbq which is started later. By noon things ready to start selling. The sides are prepared in a small kitchen building with a window. Anyway you pay for meal at the window and are given your choice of sides then you go over to the pit with a ticket to get your choice of meat. It is 100% take away and I think they only do it from mid April to the end of October on Saturdays. That place is never slow when they are open with a steady stream of customers. I wish I could remember the name it is one the main street going into Sparta, NC. It is possible it is just a fund raising enterprise for the local lodge but people do know about it and come from miles around to participate. Many simply buy their picnic lunch and drive the short distance to the Blue Ridge Parkway to one of the overlook picnic grounds.
Anyway when I talk about a BBQ place I tend to think of low cost good eats served on disposable dinner ware. I don't think dishes and waiters with expensive overhead.
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How about Taco Bell?
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They serve on paper plates and the prices are actually very low. A plate for a person with a drink is around $5.50. I think their business actually has a bump during bad times as people want the most bang for their money. I will have to swing by their this weekend and pick up a meal for the family. You can get a family takeaway meal to feed 4 - 6 people for under 20 bucks, you can't even do that with Domino's anymore. Oh BBQ catering for an event can't be beat for price.
Dominos used to have the 3 pizzas for $5 each deal which did feed 4-6 people for $15.
Anyway when I talk about a BBQ place I tend to think of low cost good eats served on disposable dinner ware. I don't think dishes and waiters with expensive overhead.
When I think of BBQ, I think of Ribs with coleslaw and baked beans or pulled pork with coleslaw and baked beans. Then again, this is how we did things at the world famous home of BBQ. They do things different in KS and different still in NC.
Do as you want, but investing $20,000 (or any amount) into a restaurant right now isn't something I would do.
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Rebel and several others of you may be trolling on the FKF, http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.msg11012#msg11012
OK, Rebel either likes to troll or is a seriously drunk poster or maybe something else entirely :) , http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1104.msg11018#msg11018
Plz don't qualify me as trolling, dude. I'm frustrated with you currently. When did I ever lay you out in public? So, I don't blaspheme the movement, my very good bro and companion. Luv ya.
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They serve on paper plates and the prices are actually very low. A plate for a person with a drink is around $5.50. I think their business actually has a bump during bad times as people want the most bang for their money. I will have to swing by their this weekend and pick up a meal for the family. You can get a family takeaway meal to feed 4 - 6 people for under 20 bucks, you can't even do that with Domino's anymore. Oh BBQ catering for an event can't be beat for price.
Dominos used to have the 3 pizzas for $5 each deal which did feed 4-6 people for $15.
Anyway when I talk about a BBQ place I tend to think of low cost good eats served on disposable dinner ware. I don't think dishes and waiters with expensive overhead.
When I think of BBQ, I think of Ribs with coleslaw and baked beans or pulled pork with coleslaw and baked beans. Then again, this is how we did things at the world famous home of BBQ. They do things different in KS and different still in NC.
Do as you want, but investing $20,000 (or any amount) into a restaurant right now isn't something I would do.
Is unemployment really bad in NH right now?
Then there are different sanitation rules in NC vs NH. Many people joke about our sanitation rules. If you have an indoor kitchen there are all kinds of picky rules to follow but put a pit outside or a towable cooker and the inspectors simply go fire check you are good. Or if you have a mobile cooker like
(http://www.grillmangrills.net/pig-cooker-wood-box.jpg)
http://www.grillmangrills.net/pull_behind_pig_cookers.html (http://www.grillmangrills.net/pull_behind_pig_cookers.html) One of these cookers will set you back by about 2k. You would have to get an outdoor fryer and some stainless steel pans plus a food processor to make the cole slaw. I think someone could be up and going for around 5k plus any state regulations/fees at least on a catering level anyway or fund raising for local churches or civic groups.
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Let's see what Kevin has to say about the events, shall we?
I say it never happened and you're a goddamned liar. Fair enough? Dave doesn't seem to have the video posted on his site - I tried all the keywords I could think of - but I'm sure we can obtain it if you really want to bicker about this. The closest thing I recall to this scenario was when both Sharon and Beth tried to pull me into the shower, and I forcefully yanked myself out because I didn't want to go in. And if sticking your face in someone's chest (which never happened) constitutes sexual contact, you must be the reverse Bill Clinton.
You are truly living in your own reality if you think that I ever came on to or flirted with Sharon. Honestly, it blows my mind. I met her at Dan and Beth's long before she ever moved to NH and I thought she was a skank from day one. I tolerated her antics until the Rob situation, and that was it.
I'm really quite done with this latest drama... I've had a good laugh about it... but I'm not going to tolerate having my name slandered in this fashion.
Kevin - I watched the video yesterday to see if there was anything.....nope, nadda. Funniest things about that video is when Beth cringes and tells Ivy not to touch her that way. So, even Ivy's friend at the time was getting the heevie-jeevies from her.
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Is unemployment really bad in NH right now?
While NC has higher unemployment than average, NH has lower.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST330000:ST370000&tdim=true
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Is unemployment really bad in NH right now?
While NC has high unemployment than average, NH has lower.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST330000:ST370000&tdim=true
I don't get that. Cause our employment classifieds are chop full of help wanted ads. I looked around NH and couldn't even find a handful of jobs listed on classifieds. When I go out there are plenty of businesses with help wanted signs in the windows. I just don't know how they come up with those figures.
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they mostly use the number of people who are collecting unemployment from the government. i believe some other agency also surveys businesses.
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MaineShark--you're an idiot and an asshole, all rolled into one. Fortunately, you're not a very big idiotic asshole or else you'd probably annoy me more.
So, why don't you keep on slandering and libeling people without providing a single bit of proof. But, if you do have any proof, be sure to post it. I won't hold my breath.
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I'll be sure to say hi to at porcfest--if you're there.
Quote from: libertylover on Today at 05:54:55 AM
Is unemployment really bad in NH right now?
If you want to open a restaurant in NH right now, I would definitely recommend a dirt cheap hole in the wall place. Don't bother with eat in. Fixed costs are way too high a bbq based on the taco truck would be awesome however (I've eaten there and it's good!)
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He doesn't seem to be threatening anyone at this point, as long as they aren't running for office
I am running for office.
Is Jesse going to clock me in the jaw if I accidentally pass through his campsite on the way to the field to play Frisbee with my son?
If you cannot handle the heat of vocal anarchists, don't call yourself an anarchist
I am an anarchist.
I am also running for office, because I believe that having people in office who believe in smaller or no government is the best, most peaceful, and fastest way to get to a voluntary society.
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Keith, it's shocking and dismaying that you still support Jesse on his rant. And Dennis, I'd be happy to campaign along side you when the time comes.
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OH GOD GETTING ELECTED TO STOP THE VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE! AND LETS DO NOTHING TO STOP THE VIOLENCE BUT THREATEN FELLOW PEOPLE WITH VIOLENCE WHO WISH TO STOP THE VIOLENCE!
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He doesn't seem to be threatening anyone at this point, as long as they aren't running for office
I am running for office.
Is Jesse going to clock me in the jaw if I accidentally pass through his campsite on the way to the field to play Frisbee with my son?
If you cannot handle the heat of vocal anarchists, don't call yourself an anarchist
I am an anarchist.
I am also running for office, because I believe that having people in office who believe in smaller or no government is the best, most peaceful, and fastest way to get to a voluntary society.
If AJ gives you any crap at Porcfest, I'll RAD him for ya.
What I'll do is this:
I will yell "I ONCE TOOK AN UNEMPLOYMENT CHECK FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN!!!" and then when he goes to whip out his MAC11 pea shooter that looks like a submachine gun, I'll yell "YOU SHOELACE IS UNTIED!" and he'll break his neck trying to look at his feet and armpit at the same time.
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This is an awesome video. Did you know it was a political song which was highly critical of the Polish Leader in 1978. One of the lines in the song is about asking the leader where he was going to get money for programs. He replied he would win the money in the National Lottery.
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Jesse is the Anarcho-Douchebag.
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Don't tell him that. He'll take it as a threat and break your jaw.
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Is unemployment really bad in NH right now?
http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=NH+jobless+rate+climbs+a+bit+higher&articleId=980f1e81-eb57-47a4-9997-515ee68966f3
NH jobless rate climbs a bit higher
Concord – The state's unemployment rate reached 6.5 percent on a preliminary seasonally adjusted basis last month, the Department of Employment Security said. That is the highest local rate since April 1993.
That is 0.2 percentage points higher than the April 2009 rate and 2.8 percentage points higher than the May 2008 level. The May 2008 seasonally adjusted rate was 3.7 percent.
The national seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for May was 9.4 percent, an increase of 0.5 percentage points from the month before and an increase of 3.9 percentage points from the same month a year before.
The number of unemployed residents increased by 1,160 from April to May to 48,150, a record high.
“There’s no doubt 48,000 is a very high number for New Hampshire,” said Employment Security economist Annette Nielsen.
The previous high was 47,611 in April 1992. At that time, with a smaller labor force overall, the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate stood at 7.7 percent.
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Don't tell him that. He'll take it as a threat and break your jaw.
He's unhinged. Very violent. Making threats like that against fellow Free-Staters, very poor handling of his rifle during the gardening incident, and all that BS with the gun on a string. He clearly escalated that last situation unnecessarily, and is lucky he didn't go up on armed assault or criminal menacing charges. I don't think he understands his own rhetoric about the NAP and stuff. I would ostracize the crap outta that guy if I lived in Keene.
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Jesse is the Anarcho-Douchebag.
Don't tell him that. He'll take it as a threat and break your jaw.
He could just burn a flag, that'll teach ya.
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bonerjoe has lost his stripes here cause he ain't funny no mo.
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bonerjoe has lost his stripes here cause he ain't funny no mo.
I'm funny cuz I'm fat.
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bonerjoe has lost his stripes here cause he ain't funny no mo.
I'm funny cuz I'm fat.
U said that not me.
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I would ostracize the crap outta that guy if I lived in Keene.
I do think the FreeKeene crowd hurts its own credibility by failing to distance themselves from him.
Jesse is intelligent and young, armed, and critically short on common sense. Dangerous combo.
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I would ostracize the crap outta that guy if I lived in Keene.
I do think the FreeKeene crowd hurts its own credibility by failing to distance themselves from him.
Jesse is intelligent and young, armed, and critically short on common sense. Dangerous combo.
I think many of us were trying to influence him in a positive direction. Doesn't look like it has done much. Dale has banned him from his home - what else would you suggest?
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what else would you suggest?
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/bakerbaker_2007/NOajuntitled.png)
1) get stickers printed at kinkos
2) disemminate widely throughout keene and surrounding areas.
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I think many of us were trying to influence him in a positive direction. Doesn't look like it has done much. Dale has banned him from his home - what else would you suggest?
Public statements, on FreeKeene.com and elsewhere. Criticize him with at least as much emphasis as, say, Sen. Molly Kelley, Judge Burke, or the control freak Rep. Delmar Burridge
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what else would you suggest?
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/bakerbaker_2007/NOajuntitled.png)
1) get stickers printed at kinkos
2) disemminate widely throughout keene and surrounding areas.
Ban him from P-fest unless he promises to behave himself, and so God help me if he turns off any potential signers/movers because of low-life tactics during the fest.
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He's not allowed in my tent. Well, except for blowjobs.
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I think many of us were trying to influence him in a positive direction. Doesn't look like it has done much. Dale has banned him from his home - what else would you suggest?
Public statements, on FreeKeene.com and elsewhere. Criticize him with at least as much emphasis as, say, Sen. Molly Kelley, Judge Burke, or the control freak Rep. Delmar Burridge
I don't think a public statement is necessary because of an ill-advised forum post. That will only bring more attention to the matter.
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I would ostracize the crap outta that guy if I lived in Keene.
I do think the FreeKeene crowd hurts its own credibility by failing to distance themselves from him.
Jesse is intelligent and young, armed, and critically short on common sense. Dangerous combo.
I think many of us were trying to influence him in a positive direction. Doesn't look like it has done much. Dale has banned him from his home - what else would you suggest?
I don't know Ian, I read the thread where he made his blanket "warning," and he seemed to get more and more agitated the more people tried to talk to him, even you in your very peaceful and empathetic tone (which I commend you for using). Maybe don't publicize or promote his actions anymore, unless he demonstrates a little more common sense, and less macho flash.
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I'd like to add that he has prior to this been removed from the Free Keene blog.
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He's not allowed in my tent. Well, except for blowjobs.
Didn't know you liked men that way :shock:
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He's not allowed in my tent. Well, except for blowjobs.
Didn't know you liked men that way :shock:
Jesus woman, where have you been.
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He's not allowed in my tent. Well, except for blowjobs.
Didn't know you liked men that way :shock:
Jesus woman, where have you been.
What are you gay now? (not that there is anything wrong with that) I am confused all the female porn you use to post were you struggling with your gayness? Boner Joe are you a woman trapped in a dudes body?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual
Also, congrats on this thread reaching 100 pages.
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There's more drama in the FSP than Chaos or Christian Anarchy. I'm sure this thread will rule them all eventually.
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The drama keeps people coming back for more. Long live this thread.
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LOL Breasts.
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I was listening to the show the other day, and Mark's intern (who is a black guy) called into the show, saying that he wants to move to NH, but is concerned over some notions he has that NH or FSP is "racist". To my amazement, Ian encouraged this dude to rat out the people he thinks are racist, because Ian wants to ostracise "racists", now.
The subject of "racism" has been popular on the show recently, and I'm starting to think that Ian is wanting to bring in a type of McCarthyism witch hunt type deal, and I find it quite disturbing and VERY "politically correct". Ian's behaviour is reeking of Liberalism and hippie stench.
So...watch what you say, because Ian seems extra interested in this issue, now.
Who knows what kind of race-based issue that Mark's intern is having, but it would NOT be proper for him to accept Ian's request, and make out some half-assed list of who he thinks are "racist", and then send it to Ian.
If Ian keeps going like this, he is going to turn off a lot of people who appreciate political incorrectness, with the understanding that it functions as a weapon against minorities who may think that they should receive special treatment/protection, just because they are black, gay, female...or whatever.
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Personally, I've never experienced any prejudiced people here, let alone any racists. If someone is prejudiced and keeps their trap shut about it, it won't bother me.
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This thread is swarming with FSPness and free minded people, yet I havent spotted much racism either. At least not against blacks lol.
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I hate anyone who initiates force, no matter what color they are.
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Shocking revelation in 3...2...1...
Frankly, I like being enraged.
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Frankly, I like being enraged.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5839/gomerpylesurprise1.jpg)
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Taking bets for when Anarchofuckface goes apeshit and starts gunning people down for freedom.
Frankly, I like being enraged.
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Obviously we have an agents provocateur on our hands.
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So when does the ostracization start?
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Also, congrats on this thread reaching 100 pages.
This thread is AnarchoJuicy.
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I was listening to the show the other day, and Mark's intern (who is a black guy) called into the show, saying that he wants to move to NH, but is concerned over some notions he has that NH or FSP is "racist"
I have a funny New Hampshire + black person story.
One of my sister's friends lived in New Hampshire a while back and her ancestry is half-black, half-polish. She ended up leaving New Hampshire because it is, in her words "a bunch of whackos living out in the woods with their guns" but when she did live here, she lived in New mrket and swore up and down that she only ever saw one other black person in the town and that everytime they saw each other there they'd both be like, "heeey brotha!/sista!"
At any rate, she would always talk about Lily White New Hampshire and that sort of thing.
Then I move to Manchester, go to the Ghetto Stop n Shop and what should I see first thing? A bunch of Somalis, shopping. I really had no idea Manchester was a refugee resettlement area.
On further review, that's not really a story. It's more of a....bunch of observations. Anyway, people aren't really that racist in NH, unless you count Massholes as a race.
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Massholes = Subhuman group of thieves not content with destroying just their own state.
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Shocking revelation in 3...2...1...
Frankly, I like being enraged.
And he's quickly becoming the Keene PD's next victim by advertising what a tough guy he is. I know they won't leave him alone for long.
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Frankly, I like being enraged.
I read the whole thread over at FreeKeene, and Anarchodumbfuck is getting all bent out of shape over some stupid philosophical bullshit. Jesus Tapdancin' Christ dipshits like that are a HUGE reason to not get anywhere near NH out of fear you'll be lumped into a group with them.
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Keith, it's shocking and dismaying that you still support Jesse on his rant. And Dennis, I'd be happy to campaign along side you when the time comes.
I'm not supporting anyone. I think calm, rational thoughts should be discussed. People should be heard. You were as unrational as Jesse on that thread.
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Ban him from P-fest unless he promises to behave himself, and so God help me if he turns off any potential signers/movers because of low-life tactics during the fest.
Dude, it's a private campground. Other campers are allowed to be there is they want. You cannot ban someone.
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Ban him from P-fest unless he promises to behave himself, and so God help me if he turns off any potential signers/movers because of low-life tactics during the fest.
Dude, it's a private campground. Other campers are allowed to be there is they want. You cannot ban someone.
Bro, a private campground has full standing to ban any person that has demonstrated willful neglect via their thoughts. If I owned (pick your establishment), I wouldn't want a person like that there who may jeopardize future business.
Keith, it's shocking and dismaying that you still support Jesse on his rant. And Dennis, I'd be happy to campaign along side you when the time comes.
I'm not supporting anyone. I think calm, rational thoughts should be discussed. People should be heard. You were as unrational as Jesse on that thread.
You seemed to be initially ok with what he was saying by lambasting me last night. I agree someone should be heard, but do you feel that keene people should be represented like that? I refuse to frequent places that endanger my health as a politico, why would I want to be drawn into trouble?
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Keith, it's shocking and dismaying that you still support Jesse on his rant. And Dennis, I'd be happy to campaign along side you when the time comes.
I think calm, rational thoughts should be discussed. People should be heard. You were as unrational as Jesse on that thread.
You may think calm and rational thoughts, but your buddy is on some other shit. Considering his voice is getting out, are you saying that you won't ostracize him? I did go overboard with my broad brush, but I didn't come here to hang out with tough guys via a prior thread. For you to sit there and hate on me, almost in the defense of jesse's language isn't very impressive.
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You seemed to be initially ok with what he was saying by lambasting me last night. I agree someone should be heard, but do you feel that keene people should be represented like that? I refuse to frequent places that endanger my health as a politico, why would I want to be drawn into trouble?
You were posting things which were not logical. I called you out of them.
I don't know of anyone or place which is endangering your health. However, if such a place exists, I'd suggest that you not go there.
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You seemed to be initially ok with what he was saying by lambasting me last night. I agree someone should be heard, but do you feel that keene people should be represented like that? I refuse to frequent places that endanger my health as a politico, why would I want to be drawn into trouble?
You were posting things which were not logical. I called you out of them.
I don't know of anyone or place which is endangering your health. However, if such a place exists, I'd suggest that you not go there.
You're apparently more of a man than I am to feel cozy over there, but then again you don't seem to get involved in politics. I was wrong about Keene in general, but I don't want to be around an unpredictable, violent loudmouth. U?
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Keith, it's shocking and dismaying that you still support Jesse on his rant. And Dennis, I'd be happy to campaign along side you when the time comes.
I'm not supporting anyone. I think calm, rational thoughts should be discussed. People should be heard. You were as unrational as Jesse on that thread.
How in the fuck can anyone be as irrational as Jesse? Jesse is fucking deranged. The guy is disturbed and needs professional help.
Everything that I know about the guy is that he is prone to moments of extreme anger over triffle matters. When you include the fact that he is fanatically sure he's right and the fact that he hasn't an ounce of common sense you have got someone who is dangerous to be around. He is going to hurt someone eventually.
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Shocking revelation in 3...2...1...
Frankly, I like being enraged.
^from the horse's mouth
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Keith, it's shocking and dismaying that you still support Jesse on his rant. And Dennis, I'd be happy to campaign along side you when the time comes.
You were as unrational as Jesse on that thread.
And please explain how I measure up to Jesse's violence talk... I hung out with him 3 nights in a row last p-fest and he was cool, then he moves to NH and progressively goes off the deep end. Thx btw, for comparing me to the jesse status, bucko.
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HR Puff has always been an apologetic twat.
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You seemed to be initially ok with what he was saying by lambasting me last night. I agree someone should be heard, but do you feel that keene people should be represented like that? I refuse to frequent places that endanger my health as a politico, why would I want to be drawn into trouble?
You were posting things which were not logical. I called you out of them.
I don't know of anyone or place which is endangering your health. However, if such a place exists, I'd suggest that you not go there.
You're apparently more of a man than I am to feel cozy over there, but then again you don't seem to get involved in politics. I was wrong about Keene in general, but I don't want to be around an unpredictable, violent loudmouth. U?
200 hours doing political stuff so far in 2009 doesn't count as being involved in politics? What about working with 9 state rep campaigns last year?
Anyway, I feel fine. I am in great shape, have a variety of weapons and lots of friends. Jesse has never threatened me and I hardly even see him.
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You seemed to be initially ok with what he was saying by lambasting me last night. I agree someone should be heard, but do you feel that keene people should be represented like that? I refuse to frequent places that endanger my health as a politico, why would I want to be drawn into trouble?
You were posting things which were not logical. I called you out of them.
I don't know of anyone or place which is endangering your health. However, if such a place exists, I'd suggest that you not go there.
You're apparently more of a man than I am to feel cozy over there, but then again you don't seem to get involved in politics. I was wrong about Keene in general, but I don't want to be around an unpredictable, violent loudmouth. U?
200 hours doing political stuff so far in 2009 doesn't count as being involved in politics? What about working with 9 state rep campaigns last year?
Anyway, I feel fine. I am in great shape, have a variety of weapons and lots of friends. Jesse has never threatened me and I hardly even see him.
Yeah, I was outta line callin you a non-politico, I just don't know why you give him a pass yet target me. My account can't be that important at FK, but I won't rejoin with a nut like that running loose. You may know him better than I, but he creeps me out. And, I don't trust him nor feel comfortable there. He is talking the biz against his fellow brethren there so why should I re-involve myself?
And. thx for bothering to respond to my pms.
I'm also looking forward to you saying how I rise to the occasion of Jesse's violence talk or am even comparable to it...
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You may think calm and rational thoughts, but your buddy is on some other shit. Considering his voice is getting out, are you saying that you won't ostracize him? I did go overboard with my broad brush, but I didn't come here to hang out with tough guys via a prior thread. For you to sit there and hate on me, almost in the defense of jesse's language isn't very impressive.
I try to be nice to everyone. I didn't hate on you. What exactly did I say that you are upset about?
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Keith, it's shocking and dismaying that you still support Jesse on his rant. And Dennis, I'd be happy to campaign along side you when the time comes.
You were as unrational as Jesse on that thread.
This^
You may think calm and rational thoughts, but your buddy is on some other shit. Considering his voice is getting out, are you saying that you won't ostracize him? I did go overboard with my broad brush, but I didn't come here to hang out with tough guys via a prior thread. For you to sit there and hate on me, almost in the defense of jesse's language isn't very impressive.
I try to be nice to everyone. I didn't mean to hate on you. What exactly did I say that you are upset about?
Look above
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Right, both of you made several statements which, IMHO, were not rational.
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Right, both of you made several statements which, IMHO, were not rational.
Can you at least tell me who was less rational? How can violent talk win the race?
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Rebel I've met you a few times and you seem like a cool dude. So why are you giving Jesse this power over you? Allowing his actions and verbiage to directly influence and shape your future. Add to that all the good things that are going on here and all the positive people and I'm left wondering how this one person can create such an impact. Its 5 card stud and you're holding 4 kings, yet you fold because the fifth card is a deuce.
As a related tangent of sorts...
What a lot of individuals don't understand is that fearing and hating another person is giving power to that person. You could be the happiest guy in a room until that person walks in and then your mood changes, your happiness dulled because of the negative thoughts that now stream through your head. That person just altered you, because you gave them the power to do so. Are there times when fear and hate could be justified? Certainly, one can justify anything they put their mind to. Perhaps I am too much of an idealist but this is the principle I follow when conceptualizing other people: no fear, no hate. I'm not saying I love all people because in actuality I love very few people. What I am trying to say is that while I don't want to control someone else, their decisions or life, I don't want someone else to controlling mine either.
Peace
JJ
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Jesse seems pretty crazy to me and I wouldn't want to be associated with him. He seems to thrive on confrontation and violence or, at the very least, threats of violence.
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Jesse seems pretty crazy to me and I wouldn't want to be associated with him. He seems to thrive on confrontation and violence or, at the very least, threats of violence.
I think I'm going to go up to him at Porcfest and loom over him and stare him down. I'll bring some paper towels so he can wipe up his anal leakage.
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Rebel and HR&Stuff, you guys need to hang out over some beers a P-fest. You've both cool guys and both doing a lot of good liberty activism. No hateration in this dancerie.
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Jesse seems pretty crazy to me and I wouldn't want to be associated with him. He seems to thrive on confrontation and violence or, at the very least, threats of violence.
I think I'm going to go up to him at Porcfest and loom over him and stare him down. I'll bring some paper towels so he can wipe up his anal leakage.
There aren't many people that would not leak at least somewhere with BJ looming over them. He is a big, big man.
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No hateration in this dancerie.
You win at life. Seriously. :lol:
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many leak BJ big man.
wait wut?
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Jesse seems pretty crazy to me and I wouldn't want to be associated with him. He seems to thrive on confrontation and violence or, at the very least, threats of violence.
I think I'm going to go up to him at Porcfest and loom over him and stare him down. I'll bring some paper towels so he can wipe up his anal leakage.
There aren't many people that would not leak at least somewhere with BJ looming over them. He is a big, big man.
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9747/boneryes.jpg)
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Huh. Drama in the free-state seems to be pretty unusual when compared to drama elsewhere.
Good thing I'm a calm guy who doesn't bother to deal with that crap almost always.
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Rebel and HR&Stuff, you guys need to hang out over some beers a P-fest. You've both cool guys and both doing a lot of good liberty activism. No hateration in this dancerie.
We will during FTL. You should join us.
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from nhteaparty:
Hi,
I've been searching for the "delete" button that is usually available on forums but I haven't been able to find it. It's not located where help says it should be, so I'm assuming that's because I don't have the right to delete my account. So, I'm asking that someone with that ability please do so for me.
Sorry to see you go. Any particular reason? (Who pissed you off around here?)
Perhaps I should be asking what were you trying to cover up.
So I just happened to be reading the “Drama in the Free State” thread over on the FTL BBS just now, and decided to poke around a bit here and there to see who “thescoop (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10185),” the latest creepy anonymous stalker in our midst, might be. Outing “Sosolurker” over on the Free Keene forum as Natalie was as easy as comparing IP addresses; certainly the second anonymous slanderer couldn’t be so easy to unmask, right?
So I come over to my forum and look up the account’s IP address, on the off chance that it matches someone posting here. And, look at that! A perfect, one-to-one match between both forums!
Care to guess whom it matches?
And wouldn’t you know it, but I went back over to the Free Keene forum, and plopped the IP address in there, too. Guess what came up? Another anonymous account created solely to post slander: “El Gordo (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?action=profile;u=386)”.
Little advice to all you weirdos, if you want to have a single lick of credibility and not look like creepy, obsessive stalker types: Quit throwing around accusations you’re unwilling to back up with evidence. (“Sworn to secrecy”? “Ongoing investigations”? Please.) Quit trying to cloak your identities in such pathetically flimsy manners. Oh yeah, and quit spending so much time following someone’s every move, assembling detailed dossiers on them, and posting them online…
I really didn't think thescoop was being all that "anonymous"....since they talked about roommates, etc. If they were trying to be anonymous, trust me, they would have been. But Jeremy seems to be among those who do think everything is one big conspiracy or that everyone is trying to hide something. Hmmmm...wonder why that is?
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Jesse seems pretty crazy to me and I wouldn't want to be associated with him. He seems to thrive on confrontation and violence or, at the very least, threats of violence.
I think I'm going to go up to him at Porcfest and loom over him and stare him down. I'll bring some paper towels so he can wipe up his anal leakage.
Jay @ 33 sec.
[youtube=425,350]XJNnDCOK_gw[/youtube]
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But Jeremy seems to be among those who do think everything is one big conspiracy or that everyone is trying to hide something. Hmmmm...wonder why that is?
Cus Jeremy if a douchebagger.
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lol
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from nhteaparty:
Hi,
I've been searching for the "delete" button that is usually available on forums but I haven't been able to find it. It's not located where help says it should be, so I'm assuming that's because I don't have the right to delete my account. So, I'm asking that someone with that ability please do so for me.
Sorry to see you go. Any particular reason? (Who pissed you off around here?)
Perhaps I should be asking what were you trying to cover up.
So I just happened to be reading the “Drama in the Free State” thread over on the FTL BBS just now, and decided to poke around a bit here and there to see who “thescoop (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10185),” the latest creepy anonymous stalker in our midst, might be. Outing “Sosolurker” over on the Free Keene forum as Natalie was as easy as comparing IP addresses; certainly the second anonymous slanderer couldn’t be so easy to unmask, right?
So I come over to my forum and look up the account’s IP address, on the off chance that it matches someone posting here. And, look at that! A perfect, one-to-one match between both forums!
Care to guess whom it matches?
And wouldn’t you know it, but I went back over to the Free Keene forum, and plopped the IP address in there, too. Guess what came up? Another anonymous account created solely to post slander: “El Gordo (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?action=profile;u=386)”.
Little advice to all you weirdos, if you want to have a single lick of credibility and not look like creepy, obsessive stalker types: Quit throwing around accusations you’re unwilling to back up with evidence. (“Sworn to secrecy”? “Ongoing investigations”? Please.) Quit trying to cloak your identities in such pathetically flimsy manners. Oh yeah, and quit spending so much time following someone’s every move, assembling detailed dossiers on them, and posting them online…
Um, no conspiracy here, Jeremy, though I guess it's nice to know you have a lot of time on your hands. I really DON'T spend that much time on NHteaparty anymore. In the last 3 months, the only reason I've gone there is to look for the delete button because I remember I'm on that forum and I don't use it. I really don't see the point in staying on a forum where the only two people who post are NHTen and RaineyRocks. So, did you delete my account or do I have to keep begging for the right to control my account on your forum?
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Hey Rochelle... nice to see you :)
I was wondering who the scoop was.
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Hey, Denis, wassup? How's the new baby? :P Well, not so new anymore, but whatever.
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Did I just stoop to blowjob's level?
only if you go in my tent
Can't, got pussy lined up.
Out tha door.
Poor baby. I'm gonna hook you up with Tammy, so chill.
Sorry, dude, but you're SOL since I read your post about the cost of a 30pk of Coors here. Seriously.....a Coors 30pk?? :roll:
Oops, I've touched on a very sensitive subject w/ Tammy here... I stand corrected about the 30 pack, I think I meant a 36 pk. Keep in mind, I've laid off the beer drinking because of the calorie intake, now I'm a wino. :lol:
Tammy, you're officially busted. Today, while shopping at Hannaford's I saw they were advertising a 30 PK of Coors Lt. for $17.99. That is cheaper than a case price in Mich since they have a 10 cent/can deposit overthere. So, Maineshark was right about you afterall. You're credibility is currently on ice. Plus, it's my birthday today and you now owe me some hands-on attention. :lol:
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Hey, Denis, wassup? How's the new baby? :P Well, not so new anymore, but whatever.
Baby is good. Handsome, smart, strong... you know; you're a mother. ;)
Maybe the kids can play together at PF. Maxwell is very good with younger children.
Tammy[...] owe me some hands-on attention
What makes you think she's available?
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Tammy[...] owe me some hands-on attention
What makes you think she's available?
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Not too concerned, plus I'm just carrying on if ya couldn't tell.
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Anyone know when the lease on Ivy's restaurant is up?
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Tammy[...] owe me some hands-on attention
What makes you think she's available?
Not too concerned, plus I'm just carrying on if ya couldn't tell.
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Quoting yourself? Stop drinking the Coors.....
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Perhaps I should be asking what were you trying to cover up.
So I just happened to be reading the “Drama in the Free State” thread over on the FTL BBS just now, and decided to poke around a bit here and there to see who “thescoop (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10185),” the latest creepy anonymous stalker in our midst, might be. Outing “Sosolurker” over on the Free Keene forum as Natalie was as easy as comparing IP addresses; certainly the second anonymous slanderer couldn’t be so easy to unmask, right?
So I come over to my forum and look up the account’s IP address, on the off chance that it matches someone posting here. And, look at that! A perfect, one-to-one match between both forums!
Care to guess whom it matches?
And wouldn’t you know it, but I went back over to the Free Keene forum, and plopped the IP address in there, too. Guess what came up? Another anonymous account created solely to post slander: “El Gordo (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?action=profile;u=386)”.
Little advice to all you weirdos, if you want to have a single lick of credibility and not look like creepy, obsessive stalker types: Quit throwing around accusations you’re unwilling to back up with evidence. (“Sworn to secrecy”? “Ongoing investigations”? Please.) Quit trying to cloak your identities in such pathetically flimsy manners. Oh yeah, and quit spending so much time following someone’s every move, assembling detailed dossiers on them, and posting them online…
What a smarmy paranoid little shit stain. Of all the people to be complaining about someone being creepy. And all of this in defense of a fucking lot lizard.
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Tammy[...] owe me some hands-on attention
What makes you think she's available?
Not too concerned, plus I'm just carrying on if ya couldn't tell.
Quoting yourself? Stop drinking the Coors.....
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You're wrong hunny bunny. I've told the game, and you're on ice still. And don't misplay my sentences, you know better than that. Stop with your crappola cause that BS is not legit. I don't like that you have vacated my stance. I will accept you hon, but you will want want me. I feel that you will holla. If not, you'll chose my biz. After midnight, pay no attention to me.
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More dribble from Joe and jeremy on nhteaparty.
I chuckled when Jeremy wrote: "combined with the fact that you’re over on the FTL BBS posting the usual slander alongside the other two creepy stalkers"......nothing of what I've posted here nor what I have read from thescoop or sosolurker (presuming they are who he is referring to as the other two creepy stalkers) has been slanderous at all. Especially so with thescoop since she has pretty much just posted things that Ivy herself has written or just threads from other forums.
Jeremy - the forum admin wiz - also apparently does not realize that not only admins can see IP addresses. He so thinks he's uncovered some big mysterious plot to mislead readers because some people posted using....wait for it.....user names. Oh my gosh! I think it was Jeremy or Jow who also beleive that sosolurker and I share the same computer.
Not to worry, thescoop and I had a good chuckle with many of our imaginary friends last night...and I'm sure there will be plenty more laughs next weekend at PF.
And, seriously, should Jeremy really be referring to anyone else as creepy? Seriously.
If I had been "trying to cover something up" I would have just logged onto one of my neighbors unprotected networks; I live in an apartment afterall. There are about 5 I could access anytime I want. Just to prove it, I'll do it for this post :P
Good to know that you're a thief, too...
But it is nice you have enough time to run around forums comparing IP addresses. And you call US obsessive?
Admins see the IP address at the bottom of each post. Glancing at the string of numbers is not obsessive. Compulsively posting diatribes all over the place and registering anonymous accounts to try and conceal your identity... that's obsessive.
Does it delete the account after a while? My main reason for deleting accounts when I leave is kind of the same reason I lock my door when I leave my house: I don't want anyone to access it once I've stopped paying attention. It's tying up all loose ends.
Change the password to something random. That's the same as locking the door.
Joe
On the one hand, you created your account before we put this policy into place; on the other hand, you made almost a dozen posts after the new policy was put in place, which to me indicates that you read the new rules thread (or should have). Let me see what the other admins think…
On the other hand, I never new there was a new rules thread or that any rules changed after error stopped being an admin to this site.
Well, it’s not my responsibility to go around and personally inform everyone a new thread’s been posted any more than it’s my responsibility to stop everyone who walks by my property and confirm that they did indeed see the “No trespassing” sign. The forum software has this feature (https://www.nhteaparty.org/index.php?action=unread;all), linked right at the top.
And wouldn’t you know it, but I went back over to the Free Keene forum, and plopped the IP address in there, too. Guess what came up? Another anonymous account created solely to post slander: “El Gordo”.
Actually, that was sound advice that I would give to anyone who isn't sure if the person they're sleeping with has slept with others or might have an STD. Always get an STD test (before you get involved with someone if you can help it!) and since father's have no way to know who the father of their kid is, they should always get a paternity test if there is a reason to doubt. Family courts in the US are known for ignoring results of paternity tests (when taken during a divorce) and just go by what's on the birth certificate.
Sure. In isolation, the advice is sound and more or less neutral in seeming intent. However, combined with the fact that you’re over on the FTL BBS posting the usual slander alongside the other two creepy stalkers, I find it doubtful that your intent was genuinely to be helpful.
My FTL account might have had the same name, had I been planning on posting there in the first place and had Tammy not been a moron. No conspiracy, just idiocy. If I had been "trying to cover something up" I would have just logged onto one of my neighbors unprotected networks; I live in an apartment afterall. There are about 5 I could access anytime I want. Just to prove it, I'll do it for this post :P
You created two new accounts to post this stuff, using two separate new usernames. Are you claiming “Rochelle” is taken by someone else on both those forums? If not, why did you use new usernames?
Only forum admins can see IP addresses. To the vast majority of posters, the new usernames made it impossible to connect you to them.
There was some initial controversy over whether or not “thescoop” was Tammy under a new account. You and she had ample opportunity to explain who thescoop actually was, instead of just explaining who it wasn’t. Neither you nor she did this.
That’s more than enough evidence for me to conclude intent.
So, stop using the account, and consider it “deleted.”
Does it delete the account after a while? My main reason for deleting accounts when I leave is kind of the same reason I lock my door when I leave my house: I don't want anyone to access it once I've stopped paying attention. It's tying up all loose ends.
As previously suggested, I can change the password or lock/ban the account if you’re really that worried.
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Can't we all just get along :cry:
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Boy, I hope Jeremy doesn't use his super IP-address seeing powers to find out what other forums I post on, using user names that are completely unrelated to this one.
I wonder if anyone's asked him if the name Jeremy Olson is taken on all the forums he posts on? Besides, I didn't register this user name on this forum; Tammy did. If I had registered a name, it would have been way cooler ;).
shopping at Hannaford's I saw they were advertising a 30 PK of Coors Lt. for $17.99.
I thought she was commenting on the brand of beer, not the fact it was a 30 pk. I mean, seriously, COORS? Dude, the are better beers out there!
Baby is good. Handsome, smart, strong... you know; you're a mother. Wink
Maybe the kids can play together at PF. Maxwell is very good with younger children.
Yep, looks like we'll have a good mix of babies, toddlers and older kids at Porcfest. It'll be neat seeing them all play together.
Can't we all just get along :cry:
No, we can't. But don't think that that's a bad thing. People are different, have differences in habits and opinions and it's natural that some should get along better than others.
Plus, I think this was bound to happen once we got a certain number of people in NH. Sociological studies have shown that, among humans, the ideal group size where everyone knows one another and gets along is around 140-180 people. Bigger than this and it starts to splinter apart, which is what has happened. Liking or getting along with everyone isn't actually a virtue :)
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Boy, I hope Jeremy doesn't use his super IP-address seeing powers to find out what other forums I post on, using user names that are completely unrelated to this one.
I wonder if anyone's asked him if the name Jeremy Olson is taken on all the forums he posts on? Besides, I didn't register this user name on this forum; Tammy did. If I had registered a name, it would have been way cooler ;).
shopping at Hannaford's I saw they were advertising a 30 PK of Coors Lt. for $17.99.
I thought she was commenting on the brand of beer, not the fact it was a 30 pk. I mean, seriously, COORS? Dude, the are better beers out there!
Baby is good. Handsome, smart, strong... you know; you're a mother. Wink
Maybe the kids can play together at PF. Maxwell is very good with younger children.
Yep, looks like we'll have a good mix of babies, toddlers and older kids at Porcfest. It'll be neat seeing them all play together.
Can't we all just get along :cry:
No, we can't. But don't think that that's a bad thing. People are different, have differences in habits and opinions and it's natural that some should get along better than others.
Plus, I think this was bound to happen once we got a certain number of people in NH. Sociological studies have shown that, among humans, the ideal group size where everyone knows one another and gets along is around 140-180 people. Bigger than this and it starts to splinter apart, which is what has happened. Liking or getting along with everyone isn't actually a virtue :)
Cause not everyone likes peas...
And, sadly enough, because some people flat out REFUSE to be students and advocates of the Philosophically Mature Non-Aggression Principle...
Otherwise...with the PMNAP...we COULD all get along...fully respecting every other human being's Life, Liberty, and Property...
How difficult is that?
It's not MY fault that YOU kick in my door to loot a cup of sugar for your lemonade and get a cupful of lit gasoline back in your face...
It's solely and wholly YOUR fault for violating the PMNAP...
Guess you shouldn't be kickin' in doors...
Fucking mobocracy anyways...
It's not MY problem that OTHERS remain in a personal state of self-denial of the universal peace and prosperity found SOLELY in the PMNAP...
Argue against that all you want...til your dead even...
It's still the truth...
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Can't we all just get along :cry:
What the fuck do you think this is? The fucking Smurf village? Lets all get together, sing Koobaya and say 'Well Golly Gee' 'Shucks' and 'Why that would be swell'.
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Some of us get along with each other just fine. I don't need to get along with everyone just for the sake of getting along.
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So - Ivy's legal expertise IS what got Sam out of jail after all. More legal counsel types should use her "get yourself incarcerated" method to helping their "client".
From a thread where Kat posted an article she had written about Sam's incarceration......
No mention of the enormous amount of work that Ivy—and behind the scenes, Silent_Bob—put into his case? Oh, and this:—
It is believed by many that this abrupt release was due to a group of tort letters sent to the Keene City Council.
The abrupt release was caused by Ivy’s incarceration. She has a copy of a court order that stated that since Sam’s counsel had been incarcerated, he was being released so he could seek new counsel. Strange, but this whole case has been strange from the beginning. I can get you a scanned copy of the order she has from Burke if you want it.
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With her legal wizzery it is surprising Sam didn't get the chair.
Just a word to the wise. If you are in trouble and need some kind of legal representation, find someone whose experience with the legal system isn't from being the defendant.
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With her legal wizzery it is surprising Sam didn't get the chair.
:lol: He hasn't had the trial yet. If he gets bitch slapped with 60+ day jail sentence, at least he can continue the great work he was doing with the other inmates and guards.
Just a word to the wise. If you are in trouble and need some kind of legal representation, find someone whose experience with the legal system isn't from being the defendant.
It is amazing that Sam would give her power of attorney.
I wonder if she will be taking over as the head of his legal team now that she has been released.
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Can't we all just get along
A few months ago, Ivy did something amazingly classy, that made me swallow a big slice of humble pie -- and, more importantly, taught me something useful.
I saw her at the State House, she was there to testify on the seat belt bill. Now, I had made a pretty harsh post about her over on the FSP forum shortly after Bill left Kate. Bad enough that I would expect this person to spit venom on me in RL upon seeing me in person.
Instead of being venomous, Ivy was courteous and pleasant. She said in no uncertain terms, no matter what past we have, we have bigger mutual enemies and fighting them comes first.
That is the right attitude. We can (and will) have close friends as well as non-friends in the movement. But all of us can (and will) put the personal crap to one side when there is a real issue with the real enemy.
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So - Ivy's legal expertise IS what got Sam out of jail after all. More legal counsel types should use her "get yourself incarcerated" method to helping their "client".
From a thread where Kat posted an article she had written about Sam's incarceration......
No mention of the enormous amount of work that Ivy—and behind the scenes, Silent_Bob—put into his case? Oh, and this:—
It is believed by many that this abrupt release was due to a group of tort letters sent to the Keene City Council.
The abrupt release was caused by Ivy’s incarceration. She has a copy of a court order that stated that since Sam’s counsel had been incarcerated, he was being released so he could seek new counsel. Strange, but this whole case has been strange from the beginning. I can get you a scanned copy of the order she has from Burke if you want it.
Ivy changed Sam's attitude regarding his holding when she showed up. Sam may have cracked in the first few days if it weren't for her; because us Keene activists have been sorely lacking in the ability to fight within the courts. We run around with signs and make videos, but have (had) no idea what else to do when someone goes to jail. If Sam's case blows up into something far bigger than it is now, it's because of Ivy's dedication to it when it was needed most. The "torch has been passed" on who is taking up the case, but she did what was needed at the time. I'll always be impressed by her role in it.
No, Ivy is not a lawyer, but I think she's done a great job learning a lot of things very quickly. Of course she'll make mistakes as far as legal process goes, but she's also inspired people like me to learn more about the courts. Thereby increasing our ranks of informed fighters. While I don't agree we'll change the world fighting in the courts, it is important to have the ability to attack and defend from multiple angles, so they can't exploit our weaknesses.
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Ivy changed Sam's attitude regarding his holding when she showed up. Sam may have cracked in the first few days if it weren't for her;
Cracked and got out of jail?
because us Keene activists have been sorely lacking in the ability to fight within the courts.
That is because many of the Keene activists say they don't consent to the system, and get stuck on that. Are they Keene activists finally going to realize that consent doesn't matter?
We run around with signs and make videos, but have (had) no idea what else to do when someone goes to jail.
What ideas do you guys have now?
If Sam's case blows up into something far bigger than it is now
What do you mean, Mace?
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So - Ivy's legal expertise IS what got Sam out of jail after all. More legal counsel types should use her "get yourself incarcerated" method to helping their "client".
From a thread where Kat posted an article she had written about Sam's incarceration......
No mention of the enormous amount of work that Ivy—and behind the scenes, Silent_Bob—put into his case? Oh, and this:—
It is believed by many that this abrupt release was due to a group of tort letters sent to the Keene City Council.
The abrupt release was caused by Ivy’s incarceration. She has a copy of a court order that stated that since Sam’s counsel had been incarcerated, he was being released so he could seek new counsel. Strange, but this whole case has been strange from the beginning. I can get you a scanned copy of the order she has from Burke if you want it.
How did Burke find out, did someone file a motion?
I really would like to see everything that has been filed in this case.
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But all of us can (and will) put the personal crap to one side when there is a real issue with the real enemy.
Ok, but this thread is about the personal stuff, not your real issues with the real enemy.
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the real enemy.
You mean.... The Judean People's Front!!
(http://www.peakoil.org.au/dave.kimble/monty.python/ppp-judea.jpg) (http://www.peakoil.org.au/dave.kimble/ppp-judea.htm)
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the real enemy.
You mean.... The Judean People's Front!!
(http://www.peakoil.org.au/dave.kimble/monty.python/ppp-judea.jpg) (http://www.peakoil.org.au/dave.kimble/ppp-judea.htm)
Bloody splitters off of the Peoples Front of Judea!
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Tammy[...] owe me some hands-on attention
What makes you think she's available?
Not too concerned, plus I'm just carrying on if ya couldn't tell.
Quoting yourself? Stop drinking the Coors.....
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Stop being so feisty... And admit you were busted a few threads ago.
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Dude, this is a drama thread, name-calling and ad hominems are a rule of thumb round here.
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Dude, this is a drama thread, name-calling and ad hominems are a rule of thumb round here.
Poopy-face.
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Poopy-face.
^ this :mrgreen:
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Gotta fit "Straw Man Argument" in there somewhere.
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Poopy-face.
^ this :mrgreen:
Blasphemy! :lol:
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There has been no drama in the last few days. This sucks. Someone needs to create some.
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There has been no drama in the last few days. This sucks. Someone needs to create some.
No kidding, we should talk about Mark if that's possible. But, I'm up for suggestions.
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There has been no drama in the last few days. This sucks. Someone needs to create some.
No kidding, we should talk about Mark if that's possible. But, I'm up for suggestions.
The drama will be arriving on Wednesday.
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There has been no drama in the last few days. This sucks. Someone needs to create some.
No kidding, we should talk about Mark if that's possible. But, I'm up for suggestions.
The drama will be arriving on Wednesday.
I luv ya man. I'm glad to have a drama queen at pfest like myself. Rock on!
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No. I won't be up there till the weekend.
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I heard rumor that the main source for most NH drama wasn't going to PF this year. Darn.
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I heard rumor that the main source for most NH drama wasn't going to PF this year. Darn.
beer goggles? impossible!
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I heard rumor that the main source for most NH drama wasn't going to PF this year. Darn.
Judge Burke wasn't even invited.
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Dude, this is a drama thread, name-calling and ad hominems are a rule of thumb round here.
Its like the food pyramid. You need a balanced diet, and the ones at the top taste the best.
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Dude, this is a drama thread, name-calling and ad hominems are a rule of thumb round here.
Its like the food pyramid. You need a balanced diet, and the ones at the top taste the best.
Agreed, just not on this thread. This needs to be spiced up, not watered down. It's purely for entertainment, and I can say that having helped the key person involved in this lately.
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Agreed, just not on this thread. This needs to be spiced up, not watered down. It's purely for entertainment, and I can say that having helped the key person involved in this lately.
The key person involved in what? How did you help them?
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Agreed, just not on this thread. This needs to be spiced up, not watered down. It's purely for entertainment, and I can say that having helped the key person involved in this lately.
The key person involved in what? How did you help them?
Don't answer that - see what people come up with on their own.
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Agreed, just not on this thread. This needs to be spiced up, not watered down. It's purely for entertainment, and I can say that having helped the key person involved in this lately.
The key person involved in what? How did you help them?
Keith, you better than that.
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HEY IM HERE WHERE THE FUCK IS MY VODKA?!
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Are you really going, boner?
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Rebel owes me at least one drink when I get there....and it better not be that Coors crap.
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Rebel owes me at least one drink when I get there....and it better not be that Coors crap.
zOMG you're flirting with him! :wink:
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Are you really going, boner?
Honey I'm here.
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Are you really going, boner?
Honey I'm here.
Reporter on the ground!
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So far, no assholes.
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Rebel owes me at least one drink when I get there....and it better not be that Coors crap.
zOMG you're flirting with him! :wink:
video or it didn't happen
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Overheard: apparently people are still hating on Larry Pendarvis 5 years later.
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Overheard: apparently people are still hating on Larry Pendarvis 5 years later.
They need to blame someone!
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Because Larry Pendarvis is a shit stain.
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So sorry I won't be attending the PF this year. I had so hoped to--even up until the last minute I was looking a plane fare.
Most assuredly, I would be a FSP drama voyeur if I could be there. Heh.
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Well, I survived meeting so many of you.....it was great fun!
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I heard rumor that the main source for most NH drama wasn't going to PF this year. Darn.
Judge Burke wasn't even invited.
Hah, that's what he wants you to think.
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See the drama right here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/)
BTW... drama jumped the shark a long time ago.
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See the drama right here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/)
BTW... drama jumped the shark a long time ago.
Nice pictures :)
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You know what would have been great.....if there had been alcohol in the FTL broadcast room!
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You know what would have been great.....if there had been alcohol in the FTL broadcast room!
There was plenty of booze there, but you were too late to the party/show - like every night. Sheesh, on Friday night, you had to be carried from the scene, lightweight.
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Speaking of the FTL booze - Sorry for sexually harassing you, Rebel.
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Overheard: apparently people are still hating on Larry Pendarvis 5 years later.
I doubt you were talking about him since you so rarely talked :(
On the other hand, John Shaw was always in the mood for pleasant conversation :shock:
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I would like to point out that Rebel is my hero for bringing me a beer after mine ran dry.
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I doubt you were talking about him since you so rarely talked :(
Umm, I didn't see you hanging around me toots.
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You know what would have been great.....if there had been alcohol in the FTL broadcast room!
There was plenty of booze there, but you were too late to the party/show - like every night. Sheesh, on Friday night, you had to be carried from the scene, lightweight.
Some of us have all these other commitments we had to tend to before we could hang out in that insanely hot room! And I was just fine on my own 2 feet. :)
Seriously, it was a good time. I'm glad I met you guys in real life....
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See the drama right here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/)
BTW... drama jumped the shark a long time ago.
Nice pictures :)
who brought the hippies?
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Because Larry Pendarvis is a shit stain.
Oh, if only him and Tim Condon could learn to keep their mouth shut...sigh.
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See the drama right here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/)
BTW... drama jumped the shark a long time ago.
Great set of photos. It was good to see many I recognized, along with a whole lot of new faces. And so many kids! That's wonderful... even tho half of them are probably yours, Mr. Libertarian Mormon :P
Was Rogers Campground better than Gunstock? It certainly looked like folks were able to gather in groups better than at Gunstock. And it looks greener.
Would have loved to be there - but we had just gotten back from our 2-1/2 week trek to Colorado. I'll have to see if we can juggle the schedule next summer to cover the travel to both the kids' time at Camp Grandma & Grandpa, and NH. Middle child has been requesting another trip up... he's a big fan of New Hampshire.
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Both locations have ups and downs....
Gunstock is further south so it's easier to get to for most people
The drive to Roger's is very scenic - and for those from out of state, they get to see the great views
the bathrooms/facilities are cleaner and newer at Gunstock
the pool at Roger's was larger and more convenient
Roger's doesn't have restrictions as far as selling food or the cook-off
The picnic hall at Roger's (where many organized events took place) was probably just as far away from the bulk of the tent sites as the main lodge was away from Poplar Field at Gunstock
the TV Room at Roger's was handy for FTL broadcast - but hotter than hell (not to someone - bring window fans next year)
FYI - The date for PF10 has already been set and people have already reserving their sites at Roger's.....
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FYI - The date for PF10 has already been set and people have already reserving their sites at Roger's.....
And it is...?
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Basically the same weekend......June 24th - 27th, 2010
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
Kevin Federline was there?
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Kevin Federline was there?
Too much TV for you.
Naw, this one was like, all government and stuff.
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THE FED (tm)
Hopefully THE FED (tm) was only present as an eerily felt shadow, looming in the distance, and not actually represented in person by any particular agency.
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Both locations have ups and downs....
Gunstock is further south so it's easier to get to for most people
The drive to Roger's is very scenic - and for those from out of state, they get to see the great views
the bathrooms/facilities are cleaner and newer at Gunstock
the pool at Roger's was larger and more convenient
Roger's doesn't have restrictions as far as selling food or the cook-off
The picnic hall at Roger's (where many organized events took place) was probably just as far away from the bulk of the tent sites as the main lodge was away from Poplar Field at Gunstock
the TV Room at Roger's was handy for FTL broadcast - but hotter than hell (not to someone - bring window fans next year)
FYI - The date for PF10 has already been set and people have already reserving their sites at Roger's.....
Well, if Roger's realizes that you as a group of people debate between the two places, they may step up on improving their lesser qualities.
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
Dude, laughing at that guy was one of the highlights of my weekend.
Haha, fucking fed.
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My leg muscles still hurt from climbing the hills there a billion times to get to my campsite.
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My stomach muscles still hurt from laughing so much!
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
Dude, laughing at that guy was one of the highlights of my weekend.
Haha, fucking fed.
He's gonna have his own video, no doubt.
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My stomach muscles still hurt from laughing so much!
I can totally see that...
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
Kevin Federline was there?
No, he was in London watching Wimbledon.
You guys will have to tell us more about the Fed :P
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
Kevin Federline was there?
No, he was in London watching Wimbledon.
I hope he had nice seats.
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2498/mangkf.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/mangkf.jpg/)
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I wonder how many feds didn't get noticed.
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2498/mangkf.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/mangkf.jpg/)
That's the guy.
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I like the shirt... :roll:
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Isn't that Alex?
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2498/mangkf.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/mangkf.jpg/)
That's the guy.
I heard some stuff about some Fed but don't have any specifics. :?
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I wish I could have gone. :(
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what makes you think he's a fed?
his shirt is kind of lame though.
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I wonder how many feds didn't get noticed.
Amanda Philips was there.
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I wonder how many feds didn't get noticed.
Amanda Philips was there.
Really? Why didn't you point her my way?
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I wonder how many feds didn't get noticed.
Amanda Philips was there.
Really? Why didn't you point her my way?
I wouldn't do that to someone I know.
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2498/mangkf.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/mangkf.jpg/)
Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
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Who else was a Fed? Pics!
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HAHA
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Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
Wow - do you hear what you're saying? Sounds stupid, but where do you get the fed thing from? Seriously. Don't know the guy, don't need to.....but this labeling people as feds is getting just ridiculous.
If there was a fed among us.....it would probably turn out to be someone that you'd least expect.
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Who else was a Fed? Pics!
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5922/fed.jpg)
Hmmmm.....makes me wonder who Bacon is......
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Hmmmm........
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OK guys. I have to admit it. I work for the BATF and you're all under arrest... for disorderly conduct.. or contempt of court.
You can't question us! Silence!
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OK guys. I have to admit it. I work for the BATF and you're all under arrest... for disorderly conduct.. or contempt of court.
You can't question us! Silence!
See? I told you so!
I hope that fed shows up at LF.
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Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
Wow - do you hear what you're saying? Sounds stupid, but where do you get the fed thing from? Seriously. Don't know the guy, don't need to.....but this labeling people as feds is getting just ridiculous.
If there was a fed among us.....it would probably turn out to be someone that you'd least expect.
He's either a fed or the biggest douche in the universe. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just say he's a fed.
JJ forgot to mention the fed's first offense, when he opened the beer tap and just walked away from it. He should have been banished on the spot.
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Leaving the tap open leads me to lean toward douche bag. Alcohol abuse. :shock:
And I missed all the free beer....damn.
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At least no one is accusing me of being one of the Feds at PF....at least not yet anyway.
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At least no one is accusing me of being one of the Feds at PF....at least not yet anyway.
Well, you did strip search Rebel...
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Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
Wow - do you hear what you're saying? Sounds stupid, but where do you get the fed thing from? Seriously. Don't know the guy, don't need to.....but this labeling people as feds is getting just ridiculous.
If there was a fed among us.....it would probably turn out to be someone that you'd least expect.
NY2NH IS A FED!!!
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At least no one is accusing me of being one of the Feds at PF....at least not yet anyway.
Well, you did strip search Rebel...
Not me, dude.......that was someone else......
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NY2NH IS A FED!!!
Yep - I moved here years before the FSP even existed...only to lie in wait for the arrival of the early movers...because I just knew that NH would get selected.
It was such a well thought out scheme......and I thought I had you all fooled. :P
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Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
Wow - do you hear what you're saying? Sounds stupid, but where do you get the fed thing from? Seriously. Don't know the guy, don't need to.....but this labeling people as feds is getting just ridiculous.
If there was a fed among us.....it would probably turn out to be someone that you'd least expect.
He's either a fed or the biggest douche in the universe. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just say he's a fed.
JJ forgot to mention the fed's first offense, when he opened the beer tap and just walked away from it. He should have been banished on the spot.
Thats such a rookie move I can't even wrap my brain around it.
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Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
Wow - do you hear what you're saying? Sounds stupid, but where do you get the fed thing from? Seriously. Don't know the guy, don't need to.....but this labeling people as feds is getting just ridiculous.
If there was a fed among us.....it would probably turn out to be someone that you'd least expect.
He's either a fed or the biggest douche in the universe.
Or a Free Stater.
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Or a Free Stater.
Or blackie.
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Or a Free Stater.
Or blackie.
No, I would never wear the shirt he had on.
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Or a Free Stater.
Or blackie.
No, I would never wear the shirt he had on.
I tried to find it online but couldn't :(
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Or a Free Stater.
Or blackie.
No, I would never wear the shirt he had on.
I tried to find it online but couldn't :(
...because it's fed-issue?
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He's either a fed or the biggest douche in the universe.
Or a Free Stater.
Ouch.
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At least no one is accusing me of being one of the Feds at PF....at least not yet anyway.
Well, you did strip search Rebel...
Not me, dude.......that was someone else......
Aunt Tammy, you know I'm too much for you to handle... But, I did enjoy grabbing your ass repeatedly. Thx for that. :P
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Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
Wow - do you hear what you're saying? Sounds stupid, but where do you get the fed thing from? Seriously. Don't know the guy, don't need to.....but this labeling people as feds is getting just ridiculous.
If there was a fed among us.....it would probably turn out to be someone that you'd least expect.
Are you fucking blind? Where did I say he was a Fed? Way to jump the gun and make yourself look like a fool. Fool.
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Aunt Tammy, you know I'm too much for you to handle... But, I did enjoy grabbing your ass repeatedly. Thx for that. :P
wow - you really have quite the imagination.
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Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
Wow - do you hear what you're saying? Sounds stupid, but where do you get the fed thing from? Seriously. Don't know the guy, don't need to.....but this labeling people as feds is getting just ridiculous.
If there was a fed among us.....it would probably turn out to be someone that you'd least expect.
Are you fucking blind? Where did I say he was a Fed? Way to jump the gun and make yourself look like a fool. Fool.
Reading comprehension......it's not a new concept.
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Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
Wow - do you hear what you're saying? Sounds stupid, but where do you get the fed thing from? Seriously. Don't know the guy, don't need to.....but this labeling people as feds is getting just ridiculous.
If there was a fed among us.....it would probably turn out to be someone that you'd least expect.
Are you fucking blind? Where did I say he was a Fed? Way to jump the gun and make yourself look like a fool. Fool.
Reading comprehension......it's not a new concept.
He wrote "one", not "fed". Perhaps he meant not the only one Dave, or not the only one creepy dude waving guns around, spilling beer, running from cameras, and asking people he hasn't met about their illegal activities.
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Thats such a rookie move I can't even wrap my brain around it.
Even 3 year olds know when to turn shit off.
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Aunt Tammy, you know I'm too much for you to handle... But, I did enjoy grabbing your ass repeatedly. Thx for that. :P
wow - you really have quite the imagination.
No, you were completely faded and yes, I groped you over and over. FACT!
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Aunt Tammy, you know I'm too much for you to handle... But, I did enjoy grabbing your ass repeatedly. Thx for that. :P
wow - you really have quite the imagination.
No, you were completely faded and yes, I groped you over and over. FACT!
In your dreams maybe. :wink: the only touching you were getting was from someone else......
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Aunt Tammy, you know I'm too much for you to handle... But, I did enjoy grabbing your ass repeatedly. Thx for that. :P
wow - you really have quite the imagination.
No, you were completely faded and yes, I groped you over and over. FACT!
In your dreams maybe. :wink: the only touching you were getting was from someone else......
I see how you operate now. How much do you want to bet that I grabbed that fine ass of yours more than once? Cause I can have this verified in a heartbeat.
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He wrote "one", not "fed". Perhaps he meant not the only one Dave, or not the only one creepy dude waving guns around, spilling beer, running from cameras, and asking people he hasn't met about their illegal activities.
Precisely. It was intended to be open ended, ambiguous. I cannot prove he was anything other than a creepy dude/douche bag. I personally feel that a someone with such horrendous gun safety + intoxication is liability not worth having in my company.
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He's either a fed or the biggest douche in the universe.
Or a Free Stater.
Ouch.
What if he was talking about you in this instance?
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He's either a fed or the biggest douche in the universe.
Or a Free Stater.
Ouch.
What if he was talking about you in this instance?
Sorry, I'm none of the above.
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2498/mangkf.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/mangkf.jpg/)
That's the guy.
I didn't see him acting the way you people describe. I didn't see him as weird, but maybe I am just kinda weird.
He was on one of the bus tours that I was on. I remember overhearing him in a minarchist / anarchist debate when we stopped for lunch. I think he said that he didn't "support coercive taxation". I don't remember what else he said, but remember that.
I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
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his t-shirt is still gay.
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Dude, that guy creeped me out the first time I saw him, and continued to get creepier as the weekend went on.
I think Jason said it best: either he's a fed, or the biggest douche ever. Either way, it was fucking hilarious.
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I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
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I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
I was about a row or two over from that and wondered what was going on. Someone told me about it, and it seemed like she was overreacting. I later talked to her after the second incident, and there appears to be more to it. I had a talk with him, and I am not convinced he is going to stop. He said he is going to some event in Las Vegas where the woman is going to be too.
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Dude, that guy creeped me out the first time I saw him, and continued to get creepier as the weekend went on.
I think Jason said it best: either he's a fed, or the biggest douche ever. Either way, it was fucking hilarious.
I'm sure I creeped you out more.
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Dude, that guy creeped me out the first time I saw him, and continued to get creepier as the weekend went on.
I think Jason said it best: either he's a fed, or the biggest douche ever. Either way, it was fucking hilarious.
I'm sure I creeped you out more.
Uhh... why?
Were you towering over me while I was sitting in a chair staring at my rack? Because this guy was. Now... I've got no problem with dudes checking out the rack, but do you have to be hovering over me just leering? Can't you at least try and be a little sly about it? This doesn't even begin to touch on this weirdos creepiness through out the whole weekend.
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You think Feds would be obvious like that? They wouldn't be very good at their job if that was the case. But then again back in the Hippy days gov agents ended up running one underground anti-war movement. At least that is what was alleged by a Social Democrat anti-war group anyway.
And the government sent secret police agents, from city, county, and state police, FBI, CIA, and who knows what other agencies, into the movement for generally three purposes: informing, acting like fools or provocateurs, and trying to create splits within the movement. One Trotskyite group in Tennessee had more police agents in the group than regular members, which is no surprise because serious activists had no respect for them anyhow.
http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/Vietnam/riseandfall.html (http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/Vietnam/riseandfall.html)
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That's why the running joke was that he was the worst fed ever. He sucked at blending in. Really though, would it be surprising at all that the feds could be that out of touch? I mean look at their anti-drug commercials...
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I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
I was about a row or two over from that and wondered what was going on. Someone told me about it, and it seemed like she was overreacting. I later talked to her after the second incident, and there appears to be more to it. I had a talk with him, and I am not convinced he is going to stop. He said he is going to some event in Las Vegas where the woman is going to be too.
Jeebus Criminy. If I had a dime for every chick who accused me of stalking them...
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I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
I was about a row or two over from that and wondered what was going on. Someone told me about it, and it seemed like she was overreacting. I later talked to her after the second incident, and there appears to be more to it. I had a talk with him, and I am not convinced he is going to stop. He said he is going to some event in Las Vegas where the woman is going to be too.
I did not talk to him or her. Both times I saw her yell at the guy she was talking to other people and I did not want to get involved with any of that drama, if they were alone I would have stepped in to make sure no one was physically hurt. I also heard that there was at least one more incident that I was not present for that occurred at porcfest between those people. Three incidents between those 2 during porcfest definitely raises some questions in my mind and I think someone needs to sit down with them and mediate a resolution.
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anyone got pics?
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I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
I was about a row or two over from that and wondered what was going on. Someone told me about it, and it seemed like she was overreacting. I later talked to her after the second incident, and there appears to be more to it. I had a talk with him, and I am not convinced he is going to stop. He said he is going to some event in Las Vegas where the woman is going to be too.
Jeebus Criminy. If I had a dime for every chick who accused me of stalking them...
If you ran in to a chick that started screaming at you every time you were in 30 feet of her wouldn't you attempt to avoid her, and when I say screaming I mean top of the lungs yelling about a cease and desist order and a whole litany of crap.
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I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
I was about a row or two over from that and wondered what was going on. Someone told me about it, and it seemed like she was overreacting. I later talked to her after the second incident, and there appears to be more to it. I had a talk with him, and I am not convinced he is going to stop. He said he is going to some event in Las Vegas where the woman is going to be too.
Jeebus Criminy. If I had a dime for every chick who accused me of stalking them...
If you ran in to a chick that started screaming at you every time you were in 30 feet of her wouldn't you attempt to avoid her, and when I say screaming I mean top of the lungs yelling about a cease and desist order and a whole litany of crap.
I bet they have crazy sex
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I bet they have crazy sex
Lol.
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I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
I was about a row or two over from that and wondered what was going on. Someone told me about it, and it seemed like she was overreacting. I later talked to her after the second incident, and there appears to be more to it. I had a talk with him, and I am not convinced he is going to stop. He said he is going to some event in Las Vegas where the woman is going to be too.
Jeebus Criminy. If I had a dime for every chick who accused me of stalking them...
If you ran in to a chick that started screaming at you every time you were in 30 feet of her wouldn't you attempt to avoid her, and when I say screaming I mean top of the lungs yelling about a cease and desist order and a whole litany of crap.
I bet they have crazy sex
Well some of the most crazy bitches are wild in the sack and will try some of the weirdest crap. The woman did appear to be truly upset about the guy being around her.
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See the drama right here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nealaus/sets/72157620415052415/show/)
BTW... drama jumped the shark a long time ago.
Nice photos, looks like a nice event.
I saw Jews!
Loved the alcohol shots, mass bottles of vino.
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anyone got pics?
be careful what you ask for.....
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2498/mangkf.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/mangkf.jpg/)
Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
And the Feds reading this forum now will step up their game knowing these variables.
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JJ forgot to mention the fed's first offense, when he opened the beer tap and just walked away from it. He should have been banished on the spot.
Nearly unforgivable!
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I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
I was about a row or two over from that and wondered what was going on. Someone told me about it, and it seemed like she was overreacting. I later talked to her after the second incident, and there appears to be more to it. I had a talk with him, and I am not convinced he is going to stop. He said he is going to some event in Las Vegas where the woman is going to be too.
Jeebus Criminy. If I had a dime for every chick who accused me of stalking them...
:lol:
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JJ forgot to mention the fed's first offense, when he opened the beer tap and just walked away from it. He should have been banished on the spot.
Nearly unforgivable!
Fixed
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Official Word:
Apart from THE FED (tm), there was very litle in the way of drama at PF.
That is all.
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2498/mangkf.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/mangkf.jpg/)
Dave
1) Extremely poor gun safety ranging from carrying it in his pocket to pulling it out and charging it then pulling the trigger to release the charge in the middle of a camp circle. (He was demonstrating that he could charge the weapon without loading a round.)
2) Shouting in a group of unknown people, "Anyone know where I can get some marijuana?"
3) Overheard in a debate with a known liberty activist, this gentleman took all of the standard state loving positions.
4) He was seen frequently and quickly moving from one group of party-goers to another almost randomly.
5) Just a generally creepy dude.
He wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most prominent.
And the Feds reading this forum now will step up their game knowing these variables.
That guy is not a Fed...he's Nicolas Cage's brother.
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Come to think of it, I'd probably be pegged as "creepy" if I were there. I'm horrible with people I don't know, and I'm horrible at getting to know people. I'd probably just keep to myself until I got drunk enough to attempt to socialize, and then screw that up pretty badly. Maybe it's for the best that I can't ever go to these things. :shock:
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I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
I was about a row or two over from that and wondered what was going on. Someone told me about it, and it seemed like she was overreacting. I later talked to her after the second incident, and there appears to be more to it. I had a talk with him, and I am not convinced he is going to stop. He said he is going to some event in Las Vegas where the woman is going to be too.
I did not talk to him or her. Both times I saw her yell at the guy she was talking to other people and I did not want to get involved with any of that drama, if they were alone I would have stepped in to make sure no one was physically hurt. I also heard that there was at least one more incident that I was not present for that occurred at porcfest between those people. Three incidents between those 2 during porcfest definitely raises some questions in my mind and I think someone needs to sit down with them and mediate a resolution.
I also remember talking to him about the guy that was chased away from the bonfire after a woman screamed at him for stalking her.
The guy appeared to be macking on the girl that was screaming at another guy for stalking her. I cannot say for certain that he was macking but from the snippets that I overheard it appears to be that way.
As for the guy that appeared to be stalking that woman I did see a second incident with her and that guy the day before. He entered her campsite and she started screaming at him to leave her alone.
I was about a row or two over from that and wondered what was going on. Someone told me about it, and it seemed like she was overreacting. I later talked to her after the second incident, and there appears to be more to it. I had a talk with him, and I am not convinced he is going to stop. He said he is going to some event in Las Vegas where the woman is going to be too.
Jeebus Criminy. If I had a dime for every chick who accused me of stalking them...
If you ran in to a chick that started screaming at you every time you were in 30 feet of her wouldn't you attempt to avoid her, and when I say screaming I mean top of the lungs yelling about a cease and desist order and a whole litany of crap.
I bet they have crazy sex
Well some of the most crazy bitches are wild in the sack and will try some of the weirdest crap. The woman did appear to be truly upset about the guy being around her.
After I sat down and talked with both of them separately, I don't see any reason to bring them together for mediation or anything. He just needs to make a real effort to avoid her. I get the feeling that he is choosing to attend events because this woman is there. I kind of agree about the 30 feet, except I would make it much greater than that. I told him to check any event that he plans to attend in the future and see if she is going to be there (He already is doing this anyway.), and if she is, avoid the event completely.
I told him to think about it logically and realize that nothing positive will ever come from him having any contact with her. I told him he is just going to get a reputation from more and more people.
She said that she moved and made sure that her new address was not listed anywhere, and this guy was showing up at her new place and sending her flowers and food.
Also, she probably had the two meanest dogs at that event. They scared the shit out of me. I was getting to where I was afraid to move through the crowds without knowing where the dogs were. I made efforts to walk out of my way to avoid getting near them after they lunged at me. All the big dogs were one thing I didn't like there.
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Dude, that guy creeped me out the first time I saw him, and continued to get creepier as the weekend went on.
I think Jason said it best: either he's a fed, or the biggest douche ever. Either way, it was fucking hilarious.
I'm sure I creeped you out more.
Uhh... why?
Were you towering over me while I was sitting in a chair staring at my rack? Because this guy was. Now... I've got no problem with dudes checking out the rack, but do you have to be hovering over me just leering? Can't you at least try and be a little sly about it? This doesn't even begin to touch on this weirdos creepiness through out the whole weekend.
I'm kind of joking.
I don't know that I ever got close enough to do what you are saying this guy did. I'm just not the most social person. I did talk to a lot of people. I'm just not that likely to approach them if there are a lot of people around. That is probably the reason I didn't talk to you. I think one night I laid down on one of the picnic tables in the picnic pavilion while people were talking and stuff. It was only for a few minutes, but it was weird though, right? Maybe you didn't notice me. Oh well.
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Dude, that guy creeped me out the first time I saw him, and continued to get creepier as the weekend went on.
I think Jason said it best: either he's a fed, or the biggest douche ever. Either way, it was fucking hilarious.
I'm sure I creeped you out more.
Uhh... why?
Were you towering over me while I was sitting in a chair staring at my rack? Because this guy was. Now... I've got no problem with dudes checking out the rack, but do you have to be hovering over me just leering? Can't you at least try and be a little sly about it? This doesn't even begin to touch on this weirdos creepiness through out the whole weekend.
I'm kind of joking.
I don't know that I ever got close enough to do what you are saying this guy did. I'm just not the most social person. I did talk to a lot of people. I'm just not that likely to approach them if there are a lot of people around. That is probably the reason I didn't talk to you. I think one night I laid down on one of the picnic tables in the picnic pavilion while people were talking and stuff. It was only for a few minutes, but it was weird though, right? Maybe you didn't notice me. Oh well.
You need to mutter and smell bad more.
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Dude, that guy creeped me out the first time I saw him, and continued to get creepier as the weekend went on.
I think Jason said it best: either he's a fed, or the biggest douche ever. Either way, it was fucking hilarious.
I'm sure I creeped you out more.
Uhh... why?
Were you towering over me while I was sitting in a chair staring at my rack? Because this guy was. Now... I've got no problem with dudes checking out the rack, but do you have to be hovering over me just leering? Can't you at least try and be a little sly about it? This doesn't even begin to touch on this weirdos creepiness through out the whole weekend.
I'm kind of joking.
I don't know that I ever got close enough to do what you are saying this guy did. I'm just not the most social person. I did talk to a lot of people. I'm just not that likely to approach them if there are a lot of people around. That is probably the reason I didn't talk to you. I think one night I laid down on one of the picnic tables in the picnic pavilion while people were talking and stuff. It was only for a few minutes, but it was weird though, right? Maybe you didn't notice me. Oh well.
You need to mutter and smell bad more.
Did that guy mutter and smell bad?
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I don't know 'cuz I wasn't there. But muttering and smelling bad are two hallmarks of creepiness in my experience
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I don't know 'cuz I wasn't there. But muttering and smelling bad are two hallmarks of creepiness in my experience
OK, I'll have to work on those traits. Maybe I can be really creepy by the next one.
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
The Rite-Aid down the street wasn't happy. They purchased a lot of penicillin in anticipation.
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But they did have flip-flops on sale for 50% off.....to keep the nastiness off our feet at least. They were just looking out for the campers I guess.....
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
Apparently, she didn't want to get C-gang banged.
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Dude, that guy creeped me out the first time I saw him, and continued to get creepier as the weekend went on.
I think Jason said it best: either he's a fed, or the biggest douche ever. Either way, it was fucking hilarious.
I'm sure I creeped you out more.
Uhh... why?
Were you towering over me while I was sitting in a chair staring at my rack? Because this guy was. Now... I've got no problem with dudes checking out the rack, but do you have to be hovering over me just leering? Can't you at least try and be a little sly about it? This doesn't even begin to touch on this weirdos creepiness through out the whole weekend.
I'm kind of joking.
I don't know that I ever got close enough to do what you are saying this guy did. I'm just not the most social person. I did talk to a lot of people. I'm just not that likely to approach them if there are a lot of people around. That is probably the reason I didn't talk to you. I think one night I laid down on one of the picnic tables in the picnic pavilion while people were talking and stuff. It was only for a few minutes, but it was weird though, right? Maybe you didn't notice me. Oh well.
I don't know who you are, so I am not sure if I saw you or not. Anyway, I'm extremely anti-social/shy, especially in large groups, that's not what was creepy about this guy.
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
I'm sure you're not the only one, but really... who fucking cares who's there? I just associate with the people I want to. It's not hard to ignore people you don't like.
For this reason, you come off as a drama queen. :roll:
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
I'm sure you're not the only one, but really... who fucking cares who's there? I just associate with the people I want to. It's not hard to ignore people you don't like.
For this reason, you come off as a drama queen. :roll:
yes....I'M the drama queen.....
....and a fed....
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.....and this thread was really getting dull......and with all this rain.....I'm really, really bored......
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
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I'm really, really bored......
Come over to my place, DQ. :lol:
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
For this reason, you come off as a drama queen. :roll:
How dare you talk to my Tammy like that. :shock: :lol:
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
I've never met her, but I was looking. I planned to only say say hi to her. I think all the stuff that has blown up on the interwebz kept her away.
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
There is no official position but many are big supporters of the act. There is a planned pooping party in Keene this month. Watch for the Ridley Reports on this.
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
There is no official position but many are big supporters of the act. There is a planned pooping party in Keene this month. Watch for the Ridley Reports on this.
Oh Gawd, I doubt that is happening. Pooping is ex-nay-on-the-poopy-snay. I deny!
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
There is no official position but many are big supporters of the act. There is a planned pooping party in Keene this month. Watch for the Ridley Reports on this.
Sometimes I am under the impression that some people's libertarianism stems only from a desire to behave like a bunch of deviant savages.
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
There is no official position but many are big supporters of the act. There is a planned pooping party in Keene this month. Watch for the Ridley Reports on this.
Sometimes I am under the impression that some people's libertarianism stems only only from a desire to behave like a bunch of deviant savages.
Say something funnier. Like Tammy wants me or bonerJoe. Tammy and I need to get cozy, I could put a smile on her face. :lol: Tam, be a good sport. :D
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
I'm sure you're not the only one, but really... who fucking cares who's there? I just associate with the people I want to. It's not hard to ignore people you don't like.
For this reason, you come off as a drama queen. :roll:
yes....I'M the drama queen.....
....and a fed....
I didn't say anything about being a fed, just pointing out how silly I thought your comment was.
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I didn't say anything about being a fed, just pointing out how silly I thought your comment was.
Because the comments in this thread are so very serious and non-silly, right? Lighten up already.
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
I've never met her, but I was looking. I planned to only say say ho to her. I think all the stuff that has blown up on the interwebz kept her away.
So - wondering if you wanted to say "ho" to her as in slang for whore, or if that was a typo and you just wanted to say "hi"? Under most circumstances, one would presume that it was just a typo.....but in this case it's a toss up.
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
There is no official position but many are big supporters of the act. There is a planned pooping party in Keene this month. Watch for the Ridley Reports on this.
Sometimes I am under the impression that some people's libertarianism stems only from a desire to behave like a bunch of deviant savages.
The irony is, the more of those types it attracts, the less likely it'll be taken seriously. Its eating itself.
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I am all for shitting in public, as long as "public" is the middle of the woods.
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I am all for shitting in public, as long as "public" is the middle of the woods.
Dogs get to do it in public. Why not people too?
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I am all for shitting in public, as long as "public" is the middle of the woods.
Dogs get to do it in public. Why not people too?
Example:
A horsefly sits on a pile of shit from diseased human. The same horsefly bites another human. Now he has the disease. Human excrement in urbanized areas causes spread of disease.
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So, am I the only one who enjoyed the fact that porcfest was ivy-free?
(http://www.panelsonpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jump_the_shark.gif)
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I didn't say anything about being a fed, just pointing out how silly I thought your comment was.
Because the comments in this thread are so very serious and non-silly, right? Lighten up already.
Haha, the fact that you told me to "lighten up" shows how little you know about me.
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
There is no official position but many are big supporters of the act. There is a planned pooping party in Keene this month. Watch for the Ridley Reports on this.
Sometimes I am under the impression that some people's libertarianism stems only from a desire to behave like a bunch of deviant savages.
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
There is no official position but many are big supporters of the act. There is a planned pooping party in Keene this month. Watch for the Ridley Reports on this.
Sometimes I am under the impression that some people's libertarianism stems only from a desire to behave like a bunch of deviant savages.
The irony is, the more of those types it attracts, the less likely it'll be taken seriously. Its eating itself.
I can be serious too. I will wear a mask and just stand in a federal building, that'll prove how serious I am.
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
There is no official position but many are big supporters of the act. There is a planned pooping party in Keene this month. Watch for the Ridley Reports on this.
Sometimes I am under the impression that some people's libertarianism stems only from a desire to behave like a bunch of deviant savages.
The irony is, the more of those types it attracts, the less likely it'll be taken seriously. Its eating itself.
I can be serious too. I will wear a mask and just stand in a federal building, that'll prove how serious I am.
Only on Halloween.
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How does the Free State feel about public pooping?
There is no official position but many are big supporters of the act. There is a planned pooping party in Keene this month. Watch for the Ridley Reports on this.
Sometimes I am under the impression that some people's libertarianism stems only from a desire to behave like a bunch of deviant savages.
The irony is, the more of those types it attracts, the less likely it'll be taken seriously. Its eating itself.
I can be serious too. I will wear a mask and just stand in a federal building, that'll prove how serious I am.
Only on Halloween.
You goin to the party later tonight?
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What party?
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What party?
The Keene Pooping Party
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What party?
The Keene Pooping Party
No, Kevin's.
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Oh yeah. I'll be there.
[youtube=425,350]ikgxsFQ8FEo[/youtube]
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Rock on, dude! See ya there.
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What party?
The Keene Pooping Party
It's been decided that in order to increase Pooping Liberty, a mask must be worn in the act of pooping.
That is all.
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What party?
The Keene Pooping Party
It's been decided that in order to increase Pooping Liberty, a mask must be worn in the act of pooping.
That is all.
You should show us how it's done, and if it's cool enough, Tammy may join in. :P
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What party?
The Keene Pooping Party
It's been decided that in order to increase Pooping Liberty, a mask must be worn in the act of pooping.
That is all.
You should show us how it's done, and if it's cool enough, Tammy may join in. :P
Nothing could possibly be cooler than pooping.
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except pooping on your mother after knocking her out.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=29861.0
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I didn't say anything about being a fed, just pointing out how silly I thought your comment was.
Because the comments in this thread are so very serious and non-silly, right? Lighten up already.
Haha, the fact that you told me to "lighten up" shows how little you know about me.
rawr
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What party?
The Keene Pooping Party
It's been decided that in order to increase Pooping Liberty, a mask must be worn in the act of pooping.
That is all.
the question is, do you support open pooping on private property as well as public property?
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What party?
The Keene Pooping Party
It's been decided that in order to increase Pooping Liberty, a mask must be worn in the act of pooping.
That is all.
the question is, do you support open pooping on private property as well as public property?
Of course, but the property owner may forbid it. Then the party poopers would have to go elsewhere.
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Fucking anal expulsive bunch of weirdos
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Bump for entertainment value.
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No one has any drama today? WTF! I'm so thoroughly disappointed in this community that...
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It was just recently discovered that Boner Joe's mother is a whore. Apparently for $5.00 you buy a jar a peanut butter a night with his mother and still have enough change left over
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Anyone else hear that there could be trouble with the horses in Candia again? I heard the horses keep getting loose and damaging the neighbors' properties....and that the police tried to serve Heidi with a complaint but she wouldn't accept it.
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Anyone else hear that Tammy and Rebel are getting married at next year's PorcFest in the Fun Tent?
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The Fun Tent is the most interesting news in your post 8)
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I'm not going.
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Anyone else hear that Tammy and Rebel are getting married at next year's PorcFest in the Fun Tent?
Gee, thanks for THAT update Jason!! Since I don't believe in marriage, I would think the likelihood of me marrying anyone...iin the fun tent....at Porcfest.....or even just next year would be slim to none.
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On that drama front - I guess the last rant of soap box idol was dead on......Ryan Marvin not only screwed Brincnk and Andy out of a lot of utility money but also stole things from Andy....I guess the pawn shop and police confirmed that today.
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On that drama front - I guess the last rant of soap box idol was dead on......Ryan Marvin not only screwed Brincnk and Andy out of a lot of utility money but also stole things from Andy....I guess the pawn shop and police confirmed that today.
In addition, the Marvester also (allegedly) owes the Lil Minn householder like 2K.
Anyone else hear that Tammy and Rebel are getting married at next year's PorcFest in the Fun Tent?
Gee, thanks for THAT update Jason!! Since I don't believe in marriage, I would think the likelihood of me marrying anyone...iin the fun tent....at Porcfest.....or even just next year would be slim to none.
Lol and Tam, you some sort of anarchist or somethin? Or, is that just in general? If so, rock on.
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If two people love and respect each other and want to spend their lives together, a piece of paper isn't necessary to do so. And that piece of paper can cost a pretty penny if that relationship doesn;t last. Been there....done that....not really seeing the point in doing it again.
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On that drama front - I guess the last rant of soap box idol was dead on......Ryan Marvin not only screwed Brincnk and Andy out of a lot of utility money but also stole things from Andy....I guess the pawn shop and police confirmed that today.
Just for the record, I am missing a game which I let Andy borrow. Of course, I blame Andy.
I was made aware of a solution to this situation. The solution involves Rebel grabbing Tammy's butt.
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On that drama front - I guess the last rant of soap box idol was dead on......Ryan Marvin not only screwed Brincnk and Andy out of a lot of utility money but also stole things from Andy....I guess the pawn shop and police confirmed that today.
Sigh, what's so hard about not initiating force?
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On that drama front - I guess the last rant of soap box idol was dead on......Ryan Marvin not only screwed Brincnk and Andy out of a lot of utility money but also stole things from Andy....I guess the pawn shop and police confirmed that today.
Just for the record, I am missing a game which I let Andy borrow. Of course, I blame Andy.
I was made aware of a solution to this situation. The solution involves Rebel grabbing Tammy's butt.
Keith - I guess you;re SOL and never seeing that game again then. :lol:
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Also, she probably had the two meanest dogs at that event. They scared the shit out of me. I was getting to where I was afraid to move through the crowds without knowing where the dogs were. I made efforts to walk out of my way to avoid getting near them after they lunged at me. All the big dogs were one thing I didn't like there.
I took a deep breath and got right in there with those two bruisers. When the dogs calmed down she started chatting. She's razor quick in conversation. Said she's got some 60? possible candidates back home to start leaning on.
Anyone get her name? She spoke at Soapbox Idol. Either way I hope she gives up and moves, we need her here.
Besides: Twenty freestaters are more effective than two mean looking dogs.
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On that drama front - I guess the last rant of soap box idol was dead on......Ryan Marvin not only screwed Brincnk and Andy out of a lot of utility money but also stole things from Andy....I guess the pawn shop and police confirmed that today.
Sigh, what's so hard about not initiating force?
I don't know but I remember when Ryan lived in TX and was kicked out of the place he lived. He had just about nothing and took a bus from TX to NH. He heard about the FSP from FTL. Yeah for Free Talk Live listeners!
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I don't know but I remember when Ryan lived in TX and was kicked out of the place he lived.
I'm pretty sure he told me that his roommates took off without paying the bills and left him alone, so he decided to fuck off and go to NH.
So much for that.
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Is he gay or something?
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Is he gay or something?
I think I overheard at Porcfest he's an 8 on the Kinsey scale.
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Is he gay or something?
I think I overheard at Porcfest he's an 8 on the Kinsey scale.
I see what you did there
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Is he gay or something?
I think I overheard at Porcfest he's an 8 on the Kinsey scale.
I see what you did there
I wish you weren't chritian and straight.
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On that drama front - I guess the last rant of soap box idol was dead on......Ryan Marvin not only screwed Brincnk and Andy out of a lot of utility money but also stole things from Andy....I guess the pawn shop and police confirmed that today.
I was personally surprised when I heard that Andy and Brink were moving in with Marvin to begin with. He always struck me as an extremely obnoxious antagonistic bum.
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An example of a bad decision made while drinking.
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I was personally surprised when I heard that Andy and Brink were moving in with Marvin to begin with. He always struck me as an extremely obnoxious antagonistic bum.
So was I...but I figured maybe they knew him better than I? The only thing I knew was that he talked a lot and that annoyed me. I'm beginning to wonder if all the people who annoy me are thieves because so far, that seems to be the case...
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On that drama front - I guess the last rant of soap box idol was dead on
I guess this is it:
[youtube=425,350]8jQX5H-uJEo&[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jQX5H-uJEo&
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Also, she probably had the two meanest dogs at that event. They scared the shit out of me. I was getting to where I was afraid to move through the crowds without knowing where the dogs were. I made efforts to walk out of my way to avoid getting near them after they lunged at me. All the big dogs were one thing I didn't like there.
Anyone get her name? She spoke at Soapbox Idol. Either way I hope she gives up and moves, we need her here.
Her name is Katherine or maybe Catherine. She is super cool and has a firecracker personality. She said that she's moving up in 2012, but she should totally move sooner.
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Besides: Twenty freestaters are more effective than two mean looking dogs.
I respectfully disagree.
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She looks like a cute ghost because of the lighting. I like how she names random states and claims to see activity there. I'd be shocked if there is as much liberty activism among the combined 13,000,000+ people of MO, LA and OK as there is in the 1,000,000+ people of NH.
Anyway, she is correct. Moving to NH and getting active (and not just internet active) for freedom is the best answer to solving our problems.
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Any updates on Marvin Gay or Ivy?
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Any updates on Marvin Gay or Ivy?
I was thinking the same thing, but tonight was a big night for the drama-pushing folks. Being at the 1st-ever sold out NH liberty dinner and all.
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I did actually think that the gossip here would have to be limited last night....as so many of the partakers were at the dinner!
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I did actually think that the gossip here would have to be limited last night....as so many of the partakers were at the dinner!
What if Ivy showed up last night?
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I did actually think that the gossip here would have to be limited last night....as so many of the partakers were at the dinner!
What if Ivy showed up last night?
Don't cross the streams.
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Had she purchased a ticket, word would have likely got out that she had. Considering she's living in the basement of the restaurant and has new expenses in the way of pre-natal care....I would hardly think she has extra cash to go eat BBQ.
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Perhaps the next Liberty Dinner should be held up in Bristol at the fine dining experience known as Ivy's Spice of Life. If ya wanna carpool, I'll drive. :D
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What is Ivy's Spice of Life like?
Also, she serves Marvin Gay's chilli?
Help ReverendRyan get to NH (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=16114.msg293323#msg293323)
http://www.freewebs.com/ryanm207/freestate.html
Dear America,
I lost my job.
My roommate skipped out on the rent.
I have little more than a dime to my name.
So no better time than now to take the plunge
and make my way to the Free State.
My name is Ryan. I'm 23 years old and have lived my entire life in Texas. On September 13, 2007 I will start my 3 day, 2,000 mile bus trip from Dallas to New Hampshire. I will arrive with next to nothing, but I will make it. Freedom is worth the sacrifice.
I hope to raise a dollar per mile to help establish myself in the state. If you can contribute, please do. If you can't, I love you anyway. But consider taking the plunge yourself. It truly is the last chance for liberty in our lifetime.
God Bless,
Ryan R. Marvin
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Yep, I guess he lied about getting stiffed with the rent. Heh.
Also, "God Bless"? Haha. Scammer.
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Ivy's has a decent menu, but I've never ate their before. The only time I was there, I was threatened by the police chief for OCing since I was helping Bill - so I just left. The chief thought I was Bill's private guard or something...
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Ivy's has a decent menu, but I've never ate their before. The only time I was there, I was threatened by the police chief for OCing since I was helping Bill - so I just left. The chief thought I was Bill's private guard or something...
What did the place look like?
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Ivy's has a decent menu, but I've never ate their before. The only time I was there, I was threatened by the police chief for OCing since I was helping Bill - so I just left. The chief thought I was Bill's private guard or something...
What did the place look like?
It was located in downtown Bristol in an old strip mall type thingy. It was pretty clean inside actually with different flags hanging on the wall, with a tex-mex feel to it. I wanted to eat but the police were insisting on talking to Bill around the corner and Ivy was in jail at the time, so I was pretty much babysitting the youngster for the time being. The cops even told me to smoke my cigarette in the restaurant because they didn't want me to 'interfere' with their biz w/ Bill. I was happy to break a state law cause they told me so.
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I didn't mean to be so serious in my prior posts, but that's the way it is. Somebody say something funny and shit. Keep the ball rollin...
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Halfway down the 2nd page? Sup with you people? Don't get lifeless on me... At this point, just make something up.
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How's the drinking by yourself going tonight?
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How's the drinking by yourself going tonight?
How's whacking off by yourself?
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How's the drinking by yourself going tonight?
How's whacking off by yourself?
I never do it alone. My cat always watches.
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Want some drama? I can't find my fucking cell phone. It is really pissing me off.
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Want some drama? I can't find my fucking cell phone. It is really pissing me off.
Call it.
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Want some drama? I can't find my fucking cell phone. It is really pissing me off.
Call it.
You have to know the number for that.
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Want some drama? I can't find my fucking cell phone. It is really pissing me off.
I'm afraid there are only two possibilities as to what happened to your cell phone:
1) Ryan Marvin stole it and hawked it.
2) Ivy ran off with it and is now subjecting to unfathomable horrors.
I'm so sorry man :(
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That thieving bitch had better not be playing my Tetris.
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Oh the irony of it all.....
Ryan apparently "borrowed" a gun from Ivy....and now she's looking for him to get it back.....
I can't be the only one who laughed at that.....
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Anyone seen NHA10?
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Oh the irony of it all.....
Ryan apparently "borrowed" a gun from Ivy....and now she's looking for him to get it back.....
I can't be the only one who laughed at that.....
Pawned.
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Oh the irony of it all.....
Ryan apparently "borrowed" a gun from Ivy....and now she's looking for him to get it back.....
I can't be the only one who laughed at that.....
Pawned.
Nice.
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I found my phone. The whore didn't have it and neither did the bitch.
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I found my phone. The whore didn't have it and neither did the bitch.
What about the slut?
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I need an Ivy update. Is she still pregnant?
http://www.nhclog.org/node/20
Ivy still free: no extradition, trial continued
Mon, 2009-07-06 13:00 -0400 — jraxis
The trial on Ivy’s most recent motor vehicle charges and the extradition hearing were held today, 2009-07-06 at 13:00 in Laconia District Court. Ivy filed a motion to dismiss the charges at the last minute, so the State requested, and was granted, a continuance, after presenting their case today. The Governor’s Warrant for extradition is still not signed, so the extradition hearing was also continued for sixty days. The State attempted to have her bail revoked, which was denied.
Ivy remains free, out on bail.
The trial and extradition hearing has been scheduled for 2009-09-14 at 13:00 in Laconia District Court. They’ve also filed charges against her LLC, having realized she neither owns nor registered the truck, the trial for which will be held 2009-08-05 at 13:00 in the same court.
More details to follow. Video will also be forthcoming.
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She must be...
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I found my phone. The whore didn't have it and neither did the bitch.
What about the slut?
The slut doesn't have my phone. She doesn't even have the number for this phone. I have a special booty phone when I want to talk with her.
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I found my phone. The whore didn't have it and neither did the bitch.
What about the slut?
The slut doesn't have my phone. She doesn't even have the number for this phone. I have a special booty phone when I want to talk with her.
So, you talk to Ivy... How lucky of you, do you use secret code and shit? Doe she make you feel special? How is it? Is it all that it's cracked up to be?
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No. Ivy is the whore. I do not talk with her. The slut is someone else. She shall not be named at this moment.
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Wasn't there someone named Ivy who used to be on these forums?
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I'm sure there was.
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So....a little birdie told me today that the parent of a 13 year old son had to delete Ryan Marvin from their facebook and my space accounts.....because he was sending inappropriate emails to the 13 yr old son and a couple of his male friends. Lovely.
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Same guy?
[youtube=425,350]ucpSZqR2otM[/youtube]
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Same guy?
[youtube=425,350]ucpSZqR2otM[/youtube]
Now that's how ostracism is supposed to work.
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Internet makes it easier too. Simple google found his facebook to be deleted. If I move to NH I need to know the low down of these peeps.
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I think that's also the same guy who went by Reverend Ryan on this BBS. I was friends with him on Facebook for a little, but he kept sending me crap about stuff going on in NH that I have no interest in, so I defriended him. If I remember correctly, he listed a lot of LP stuff in his profile. Is that true? What a joke.
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Anyone seen NHA10?
Baker-acted. :mrgreen:
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I think that's also the same guy who went by Reverend Ryan on this BBS. I was friends with him on Facebook for a little, but he kept sending me crap about stuff going on in NH that I have no interest in, so I defriended him. If I remember correctly, he listed a lot of LP stuff in his profile. Is that true? What a joke.
One in the same.......
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Scandalous!
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So....a little birdie told me today that Tammy Simmons likes to have sex with dogs.....a parent of some 13 year old or something saw her doing this. Lovely.....I don't have any evidence of course but if I don't make stuff up there won't be any more drama to entertain me.....
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Someones gotta find that bird and make some dinner with it
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That's funkin uncalled for.
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Whats wrong you don't like bird?
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Anyone seen NHA10?
Baker-acted. :mrgreen:
That's a Florida only thing.
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I was wondering if he got called as a witness in the Brown trial, and took off.
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I was wondering if he got called as a witness in the Brown trial, and took off.
Howabout since they're now in the can, his contact employment was terminated.
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Oh please, everyone knows that MaineShark is the resident furry on this forum!
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So....a little birdie told me today that Tammy Simmons likes to have sex with dogs.....a parent of some 13 year old or something saw her doing this. Lovely.....I don't have any evidence of course but if I don't make stuff up there won't be any more drama to entertain me.....
Gee - Joe...or J'raxis....or Ivy must be really bored. :shock:
For the record, I have someone's word - someone that I have no reason to doubt their credibility.....vs. Ryan Marvin. They asked not to be names.....so I won't. If that means one of the posters here needed to create a new user with a user name similar to mine......so be it.
Is anyone really surprised that he could have been doing that?
And for the record...I'm fussy about who I have sex with.....unlike some people. :wink:
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I swear, there is nothing like this going on around where I live. I live in a town so boring, even the ugly people don't fornicate.
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There have been dirty rumors going around that I have somehow slept with Ivy. At this time, I have no comment...pending testing...
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There have been dirty rumors going around that I have somehow slept with Ivy. At this time, I have no comment.
But, I know the inside scoop...
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That's funkin uncalled for.
Party pooper!
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I swear, there is nothing like this going on around where I live. I live in a town so boring, even the ugly people don't fornicate.
However, there have been a bunch of thugs chasing each other around my block, and gunshots and cops driving around at high speeds with their sirens on. Tonight there will be three loaded guns in the house instead of one.
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There have been dirty rumors going around that I have somehow slept with Ivy. At this time, I have no comment...pending testing...
Eh, I'm sure if you had slept with Ivy, you wouldn't have to comment: the sores would give you away ;)
Gee - Joe...or J'raxis....or Ivy must be really bored. Shocked
Nah, I'm betting it was Ryan, posting from whereever the hell he turned tail to and ran when everyone found out he's a thief.
What he doesn't realize is that we've all forgiven him already...because what's $4,000 and a few pawed video games compared to his amazing level of activism? :roll:
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Hello!
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oh my....
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I updated his wiki page:
http://wiki.freetalklive.com/index.php?title=ReverendRyan&action=history
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Hah. But did you have to delete everything else? I was kind of curious what he had to say about himself!
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That's why I posted the history page...
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That's why I posted the history page...
You are now a ranking member of the gossip crew.
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Everyone should be ashamed of the lack of progress on this thread today.
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Wow - all's quiet on the drama front I guess. Undoubtedly that will change...just wait for it.
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Yeah seriously...someone go out and get arrested so the FSPers can make wild assumptions about what is happening to you. Then when it comes out that you're a welfare fraud or skipping out on child support we'll have something to post about.
In the meantime, here's a monkey.
(http://www.stock-monkey.com/images/bald-monkey.gif)
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That is NOT a monkey.
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That is NOT a monkey.
DRAMA!
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Kurt Hoffman, AKA Lumpy (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?action=profile;u=115), has been arrested a couple times recently for not showing the cops his license and registration.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1219.0
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1254.0
He is in jail now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijyIQSWQDC0
[youtube=425,350]ijyIQSWQDC0[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EguTbiRzcc
[youtube=425,350]5EguTbiRzcc[/youtube]
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Where is Rev Ryan's webpage that he used a while back to solicit money from libertarians to help get him to NH? Do you remember that? I recall him writing up a really sob story, including the posting of his resume, telling how his catholic parents disowned him for being gay, how his volkswagon broke down somewhere in middle America, how he was willing to flip burgers, and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Honestly, this whole FSP thing is getting to be pure comedy, and the official anthem for the FSP should be the Benny Hill Theme Song.
I have no doubt whatsoever that Dalebert aka Dale aka Douchebert is going to get busted, one of these days, for doing something well and foul.
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http://freekeene.com/2009/07/23/sherrifs-scour-keene-for-nh-free-press-publisher-russell-kanning/
Cheshire sheriffs (uniformed men with guns and tazers) are searching the streets of Keene for the peaceful NH Free Press publisher, Russell Kanning. Below you’ll see video that Lauren Canario captured of her husband Jim Johnson successfully refusing to provide ID when asked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YAL4ZW3IOQ
[youtube=425,350]0YAL4ZW3IOQ[/youtube]
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http://freekeene.com/2009/07/23/sherrifs-scour-keene-for-nh-free-press-publisher-russell-kanning/
Cheshire sheriffs (uniformed men with guns and tazers) are searching the streets of Keene for the peaceful NH Free Press publisher, Russell Kanning. Below you’ll see video that Lauren Canario captured of her husband Jim Johnson successfully refusing to provide ID when asked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YAL4ZW3IOQ
[youtube=425,350]0YAL4ZW3IOQ[/youtube]
Those hippies have way too much time on their hands.
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We should start a betting pool as to when Russell will get arrested again.
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We should start a betting pool as to when Russell will get arrested again.
That was a very anti-FSP comment.
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We should start a betting pool as to when Russell will get arrested again.
That was a very anti-FSP comment.
Why?
We could also do a betting pool around who will be arrested next in Keene.
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We should start a betting pool as to when Russell will get arrested again.
That was a very anti-FSP comment.
Nah. It sounds ok. I will not get involved. Not a big gambler.
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We should start a betting pool as to when Russell will get arrested again.
That was a very anti-FSP comment.
Nah. It sounds ok. I will not get involved. Not a big gambler.
That didn't measure up...
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You know, I wasn't going to say that thte drama thread was jumping the shark, but when people try to create drama via the thread....yea, it kind of has.
Drama comes to the thread, not from it!
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you know I heard something about that Rochelle........
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so what happened with Ryan now?
or is that something that would be in the first ten pages or so of this thread?
I wish I would have been around to enjoy the earlier FSP drama...
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so what happened with Ryan now?
or is that something that would be in the first ten pages or so of this thread?
I wish I would have been around to enjoy the earlier FSP drama...
You should read the entire thread, you'll laugh for days. I think Ryan fled the scene and is in TX at the moment.
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You should read the entire thread, you'll laugh for days. I think Ryan fled the scene and is in TX at the moment.
Maybe he got a job as Ron Paul's new racist ghostwriter.
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You should read the entire thread, you'll laugh for days. I think Ryan fled the scene and is in TX at the moment.
Maybe he got a job as Ron Paul's new racist ghostwriter.
That would be something you would be good at.
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so what happened with Ryan now?
or is that something that would be in the first ten pages or so of this thread?
I wish I would have been around to enjoy the earlier FSP drama...
You should read the entire thread, you'll laugh for days. I think Ryan fled the scene and is in TX at the moment.
I tried to read the entire thread once but got too pissed to continue once I read that Rob refuses to tip waitresses.
My mom was a waitress all the time I was growing up. She had to deal with assholes like him.
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so what happened with Ryan now?
or is that something that would be in the first ten pages or so of this thread?
I wish I would have been around to enjoy the earlier FSP drama...
You should read the entire thread, you'll laugh for days. I think Ryan fled the scene and is in TX at the moment.
I tried to read the entire thread once but got too pissed to continue once I read that Rob refuses to tip waitresses.
My mom was a waitress all the time I was growing up. She had to deal with assholes like him.
who is rob?
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so what happened with Ryan now?
or is that something that would be in the first ten pages or so of this thread?
I wish I would have been around to enjoy the earlier FSP drama...
You should read the entire thread, you'll laugh for days. I think Ryan fled the scene and is in TX at the moment.
I tried to read the entire thread once but got too pissed to continue once I read that Rob refuses to tip waitresses.
My mom was a waitress all the time I was growing up. She had to deal with assholes like him.
who is rob?
he REPELS
ATTACKS
DESTROYS
any jackboot who has the nerve to ask him to not smoke a cigarette in a cancer ward
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Another lame day for the drama thread...
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you know I heard something about that Rochelle........
do tell
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you know I heard something about that Rochelle........
do tell
Oh, yes, that Rochelle is just loaded with scandal. :shock:
Seriously....maybe the drama does focus around just a few people.....and since they've fallen off the radar for the most part, all seems quiet and dull now. No gossip....how boring is that?
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We were talking about this at the NHLA Board meeting last night. We agreed it would be a good thing for them to actually go through with this. A group being really extreme and no prayer of winning any elections makes a less extreme group appear more mainstream.
any of them want to donate to the Free State Party?
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you know I heard something about that Rochelle........
Lol...yes, do tell.
Speaking of old drama in the thread, didn't the Horse Lady have a trial or something recently? What happened with that?
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you know I heard something about that Rochelle........
Lol...yes, do tell.
Speaking of old drama in the thread, didn't the Horse Lady have a trial or something recently? What happened with that?
I was wondering this myself.
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Here are some updates from the April 13th Keene District Court incident.
http://freekeene.com/2009/07/27/charges-dropped-against-two-of-the-disorderlies/#more-2841
Charges Dropped Against Two of the “Disorderlies”
zaphar at 4:01 pm on Monday, July 27, 2009
On Friday July 24, 2009 liberty activist Richard (Sam A. Robrin) and Tim (zaphar) received letters in the mail dropping the disorderly conduct charges brought against them by the “City of Keene” Corporation Police Department. Below is a scanned image of one of the letters.
http://freekeene.com/2009/07/31/patrick-shields-guilty-given-suspended-sentence/
Patrick Shields found guilty, fine suspended on good behavior
JJ at 11:47 am on Friday, July 31, 2009
At Keene District court today Patrick Shields, a resident of Keene, was put on trial by the State for charges stemming from the April 13th Court Lobby incident. At the start of the trial Patrick was informed that the Disorderly Conduct charge was being dropped leaving only the Resisting Arrest charge on the docket.
The trial was very similar to the two held on Monday, July 27 where David Krouse and Nick Ryder faced charges of Disorderly Conduct from the same incident. Police Prosecutor Eli Rivera provided the State’s Testimony, repeating the same statements heard Monday. Mr. Shields’ argument focused on the fact that Officer Rivera, the arresting officer per the summons, had no physical contact with Mr. Shields and because of this there was nothing to resist as far as a physical arrest.
Patrick also testified that his thought process at the time, given the situation, provided him with one moral option. He chose to attain a purely passive state and not interact with the Officers.
Judge Edward Burke first congratulated Mr. Shields on his preparation for the trial and then found him guilty. The punishment handed down was a $1000 fine – suspended. Should Patrick be convicted of a Class B or greater misdemeanor or a felony within the next year he will have to pay the fine or serve roughly 20 days in jail.
http://freekeene.com/2009/07/29/disorderly-update/
“Disorderly” Update
nick at 6:12 am on Wednesday, July 29, 2009
As previously posted, there were trials on Monday for some of the activists charged with disorderly conduct for not leaving the courtroom lobby on April 13, 2009. Only two ended up having trial on Monday, as two had their charges dropped, and one trial was continued while Kurt Hoffman further prepares with his lawyer. The full trial videos of Nick Ryder and David Krouse are up for viewing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoacIeEAkZ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILOz17Rw8eo
Nick’s case was “taken under advisement”, and will be ruled on and the verdict mailed. We will certainly post an update here when we have one.
David was found guilty, and will be forced to serve 6 days in jail if he refuses their fine money.
Additional video taken from a second videographer at the trials is available on this youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/thefreedommovement
Sam Exits Court : Arrested Moments Later
Filed under: Police — nick at 3:42 pm on Friday, July 31, 2009
Sam’s trial started today. The state presented its case before the court time ran out, and the trial will be continued on September 4th.
However, moments after leaving court, Sam broadcasted the below Porc411. Apparently under arrest for driving with a suspended license. More details will be posted to FreeKeene.com as we learn more.
Audio: Sam Arrested (http://freekeene.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/msg0056.wav)
Sam has been released with a summons. More information; including video; will likely be forthcoming throughout the weekend.
Qik videos related to the arrest:
Ian’s Camera Phone (http://www.qik.com/video/2367250)
Antijingoist’s Camera Phone (http://www.qik.com/video/2367250)
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Bonerjoe said he's coming up to Keene for the topless protest!
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Bonerjoe said he's coming up to Keene for the topless protest!
wat
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Bonerjoe said he's coming up to Keene for the topless protest!
wat
By not saying anything on another thread about this, you tacitly consented.
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Bonerjoe said he's coming up to Keene for the topless protest!
Will he be topless? I will definitely show up if I get to see his naked man boobs.
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Bonerjoe said he's coming up to Keene for the topless protest!
Will he be topless? I will definitely show up if I get to see his naked man boobs.
See Boner, you're a national FSP sensation.
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I'm in fact array of abashed on why it's such a huge issue, that deserves altercation on an internet forum. Two internet forums, even. Two appealing politics-centric internet forums
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Welcome to NH.
Reb, please delete your post to get the spambot link off the forum. I didn't want to delete your post, but that member and his other accounts are no longer with us.
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I'm in fact array of abashed on why it's such a huge issue, that deserves altercation on an internet forum. Two internet forums, even. Two appealing politics-centric internet forums
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Welcome to NH.
Reb, please delete your post to get the spambot link off the forum. I didn't want to delete your post, but that member and his other accounts are no longer with us.
Why don't you just ask him to sterilize the post via using the "edit" feature?
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He could do that. I don't care if he wants to hold a conversation with a spambot who no longer exists.
Or, we could ask him to insert a pretty picture of a pony with daisies braided into its mane.
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I'm in fact array of abashed on why it's such a huge issue, that deserves altercation on an internet forum. Two internet forums, even. Two appealing politics-centric internet forums
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Welcome to NH.
Reb, please delete your post to get the spambot link off the forum. I didn't want to delete your post, but that member and his other accounts are no longer with us.
Plz do it for me, as I'd probably screw it up.
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Done.
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Bump
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New Drama in Little Minnesota?
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Details?
Or any other salient facts?
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Little Minnesota
theFuck?
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Little Minnesota
theFuck?
http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota (http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota)
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Little Minnesota
theFuck?
http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota (http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota)
Wasn't there some talk about foreclosure on "Little Minnesota"?
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Little Minnesota
theFuck?
http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota (http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota)
Wasn't there some talk about foreclosure on "Little Minnesota"?
The owner let too many "liberty lovers" get away with not paying rent on time or at all.
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New Drama in Little Minnesota?
I'm 100% up on things there and I can tell you there is no new drama.
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(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/MayhemOfTheBlackUnderclass/status.jpg)
(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/MayhemOfTheBlackUnderclass/Rstatus.jpg)
No catty sniping, no bitching. Sounds like "No Drama"
But it is happening in the Free State.
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Wow. What amazing news. A couple broke up. Thanks for the SHOCKING!!! news update.
Only in the Free State folks, only in the Free State.
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New Drama in Little Minnesota?
I'm 100% up on things there and I can tell you there is no new drama.
Then tell us about the foreclosure situation. Thanks in advance.
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Hey - this is a thread totally dedicated to "drama".....and I think a break up falls in that category.
It went through facebook like a wildfire today.......
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He bought a chunk of land. Had a house built on it.
Wouldn't get a job.
Renters didn't pay their rent.
He didn't pay his bills.
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Hey - this is a thread totally dedicated to "drama".....and I think a break up falls in that category.
It went through facebook like a wildfire today.......
Wildfire as in like nothing happened? Considering all of the effort put out to make the break-up public, there was almost negative drama.
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Wildfire as in I was surprised how many different places I read it.....everyone saw that coming.....
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But I would have to say, I didn't hear about any fighting or screaming, or drawing down, or calling of cops, or any DRAMA.
So, is there a "Non-events in the Free State" thread?
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Why did they break up?
I'm behind; I just heard about it now.
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Why did they break up?
I'm behind; I just heard about it now.
Who the fuck knows or cares.
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But I would have to say, I didn't hear about any fighting or screaming, or drawing down, or calling of cops, or any DRAMA.
So, is there a "Non-events in the Free State" thread?
You can use this thread for that.
The Free State Project is like a soap opera.
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Why did they break up?
I'm behind; I just heard about it now.
Who the fuck knows or cares.
Me. Stop interrupting my stories.
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Cassidy and Ron were shagging?
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He bought a chunk of land. Had a house built on it.
Wouldn't get a job.
Renters didn't pay their rent.
He didn't pay his bills.
That sounds like a big fat chunk of stupid.
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So the moral of the story. Get a fucking job.
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Well, he should be making a lot more off the renters if doesn't pay his mortgage.
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Cassidy and Ron were shagging?
and I thought I was behind.
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I'd beat them fuckers shitty.
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huh
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Little Minnesota
theFuck?
http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota (http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota)
Who gives a fuck? Is this what passes for drama now? So he must have a room available at least.
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Little Minnesota
theFuck?
http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota (http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota)
Who gives a fuck? Is this what passes for drama now? So he must have a room available at least.
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
There has been a little bit of drama here, none of which I'm willing to discuss publicly.
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and you are the biggest whore for drama too. For shame.
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and you are the biggest whore for drama too. For shame.
I enjoy it, but don't typically spread it. :P
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I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
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Cassidy and Ron were shagging?
Pshaw. I've been to LIttle Minnesota...there is no shag carpeting!
/I'm being intentionally obtuse
//if they broke up and went to lengths to keep it private, kudos to them. At least they're being decent about it, unlike other complete drama whores I could name.
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
Cool. I'll be needing a ride to PorcFest in 2012.
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
Cool. I'll be needing a ride to PorcFest in 2012.
Thanks for telling me in advance.
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
Cool. I'll be needing a ride to PorcFest in 2012.
Thanks for telling me in advance.
You're welcome.
I'd prefer a Lincoln Town Car. I'll send you the design for the little magnetic flags you'll need to have made to stick on the hood.
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
Cool. I'll be needing a ride to PorcFest in 2012.
Thanks for telling me in advance.
You're welcome.
I'd prefer a Lincoln Town Car. I'll send you the design for the little magnetic flags you'll need to have made to stick on the hood.
I should have a Ferrari by then.
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
Cool. I'll be needing a ride to PorcFest in 2012.
Thanks for telling me in advance.
You're welcome.
I'd prefer a Lincoln Town Car. I'll send you the design for the little magnetic flags you'll need to have made to stick on the hood.
I should have a Ferrari by then.
No. You should have a Town Car by then.
I thought I made that clear.
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
Cool. I'll be needing a ride to PorcFest in 2012.
Thanks for telling me in advance.
You're welcome.
I'd prefer a Lincoln Town Car. I'll send you the design for the little magnetic flags you'll need to have made to stick on the hood.
I should have a Ferrari by then.
No. You should have a Town Car by then.
I thought I made that clear.
What a Prik you are... :lol:
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
Cool. I'll be needing a ride to PorcFest in 2012.
Thanks for telling me in advance.
You're welcome.
I'd prefer a Lincoln Town Car. I'll send you the design for the little magnetic flags you'll need to have made to stick on the hood.
I should have a Ferrari by then.
No. You should have a Town Car by then.
I thought I made that clear.
What a Prik you are... :lol:
I'd prefer a Cadillac DTS or XLR or Corvette. I guess that's just me though :o
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
Cool. I'll be needing a ride to PorcFest in 2012.
Thanks for telling me in advance.
You're welcome.
I'd prefer a Lincoln Town Car. I'll send you the design for the little magnetic flags you'll need to have made to stick on the hood.
I should have a Ferrari by then.
No. You should have a Town Car by then.
I thought I made that clear.
Considering that my dad has a Ford pension, I suppose that I'll consider a Lincoln.
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WARNING: insufficient drama on this thread.
Out of the hundreds of libertarian whackaloons, surely somebody's been shagging somebody, somebody's broken up, or somebody's done something unnatural to a vegetable in the last few days. Gimme dirt, people....
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WARNING: insufficient drama on this thread.
Out of the hundreds of libertarian whackaloons, surely somebody's been shagging somebody, somebody's broken up, or somebody's done something unnatural to a vegetable in the last few days. Gimme dirt, people....
I can't comment, I have a gag order.
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WARNING: insufficient drama on this thread.
Out of the hundreds of libertarian whackaloons, surely somebody's been shagging somebody, somebody's broken up, or somebody's done something unnatural to a vegetable in the last few days. Gimme dirt, people....
:lol:
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Oh, I hear there's a by-invite-only Bohemian Grove happening someWERE in NH today. Sshhhhh
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I'm a Bohemian, can I go?
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Maybe we can all pitch in for the purchasing of some corrugated steel so that they can rebuild Lil Minnesota for the first Free Stater shanty town.
lol
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period. Either way, I'm scheduled to move to Seabrook soon.
How long has it been since Ron made the last mortgage payment?
If I were you, I wouldn't pay rent to Ron after Tuesday if the auction happens. He won't be the owner any more. He will be a squatter, just like you.
Are people in the house planning to wait to get evicted before they move?
This is high drama. Keep us updated.
I'm moving to Seabrook this weekend.
Cool. I'll be needing a ride to PorcFest in 2012.
Thanks for telling me in advance.
You're welcome.
I'd prefer a Lincoln Town Car. I'll send you the design for the little magnetic flags you'll need to have made to stick on the hood.
I should have a Ferrari by then.
No. You should have a Town Car by then.
I thought I made that clear.
Considering that my dad has a Ford pension, I suppose that I'll consider a Lincoln.
Now you're thinkin'.
But don't get it now. Wait until the week before I get there. I like that new car smell.
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Bite me.
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Best I can do for now
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=18754.0
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Little Minnesota
theFuck?
http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota (http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota)
Who gives a fuck? Is this what passes for drama now? So he must have a room available at least.
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period.
Someone needs to post updates on this.
I'd like to know how the auction goes, and if the people living there wait to get evicted.
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Best I can do for now
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=18754.0
Bullshit, you are holding out.
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Best I can do for now
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=18754.0
Oh, how they are all trying to say that's NOT WHAT HE REALLY MEANS.
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Jesse showed up at Social Sundays with some girl that works at the restaurant down the street. And told us he and she "sorta have something going."
That could mean anything.
Not too dramatic I know.
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Jesse showed up at Social Sundays with some girl that works at the restaurant down the street. And told us he and she "sorta have something going."
That could mean anything.
Not too dramatic I know.
Do Sam and Meg "sorta have something going"?
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Jesse showed up at Social Sundays with some girl that works at the restaurant down the street. And told us he and she "sorta have something going."
That could mean anything.
Not too dramatic I know.
Do Sam and Meg "sorta have something going"?
Can't say for sure... but...
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1230.0
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Out of the hundreds of libertarian whackaloons, surely somebody's been shagging somebody, somebody's broken up, or somebody's done something unnatural to a vegetable in the last few days. Gimme dirt, people....
Well, my fridge is freezing my vegetables, which I think is unnatural...does that count?
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Jesse showed up at Social Sundays with some girl that works at the restaurant down the street. And told us he and she "sorta have something going."
That could mean anything.
Not too dramatic I know.
Do Sam and Meg "sorta have something going"?
Can't say for sure... but...
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1230.0
This isn't drama. You fail.
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I have drama. The people living down the hall from me are white supremecists and they were having a party. My husband saw them all out there with a lot of tattos consisting of iron crosses and other such things. They were also drinking a lot of Coors light....
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Bite me.
No.
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Little Minnesota
theFuck?
http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota (http://porcmanor.com/residence/little_minnesota)
Who gives a fuck? Is this what passes for drama now? So he must have a room available at least.
I live at lil Minn and there is definitely a room available here. Not sure for how long though, the auction is this Tuesday. Then who knows if we'll get a grace period.
Someone needs to post updates on this.
I'd like to know how the auction goes, and if the people living there wait to get evicted.
What is happening with this Porc Manor?
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Nothing is happening at Porc Manor. There has been nothing going on for months here. The most exciting thing was Daniel cleaning out the fridge.
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Nothing is happening at Porc Manor. There has been nothing going on for months here. The most exciting thing was Daniel cleaning out the fridge.
So the auction didn't happen on Tuesday?
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Evil Muppet is talking about a different PM - I heard that the auction happened but no buyers showed up.
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Evil Muppet is talking about a different PM - I heard that the auction happened but no buyers showed up.
Cool. Real estate market has a long ways to go down. Plenty of investment opportunities coming up for those who can hold on for another year or two
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I heard that the auction happened but no buyers showed up.
That's because the opening bid is what is owed on the current loan. Probably more than it's worth in the current market. If there are no bids, the ownership is still given to the loan company. They can tell you to GTFO.
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Evil Muppet is talking about a different PM - I heard that the auction happened but no buyers showed up.
Cool. Real estate market has a long ways to go down. Plenty of investment opportunities coming up for those who can hold on for another year or two
Re: a year or two..
This ridiculously cheap, fire-sale glut isn't gonna happen. Deals, yes, there are always deals. Barring a complete socio-economic meltdown, these guys have learned to reshuffle the detritus of their recklessness. Institutional paper has become a commodity. The banks that still have bad bottom lines at this point are manageable, though maybe wounded institutions. The next impending wave of this correction is merger and acquisition. During M+A periods of activity, which always come after a big shitflop like we experienced, the paper is farmed out to other banks for cash with points shaved (pulling their bad debt down to tolerable levels and raising their cash balance), or it goes along with the merger as a part of their holdings, if the Alpha bank can afford that debt within their acceptable ratio without tipping into the red.
Coinciding with this is an expected period of stagflation or deflation, depending on the actual numbers to define which one. (kinda like how people still argue if we're in a recession or a depression) The dollar has bottomed, and metal commodities are beginning to fall - China is experiencing a glut of warehoused production and is slowing in its stockpiling efforts, which increases the supply side and lowers commodities cost. As the dollar gains strength and stabilizes, gold is falling, requiring less dollars to buy an equivalent ounce. This causes selling pressure on gold, furthering its decline. This wave could take a really long time, I've seen some estimates that go out as far as 2017. That would include our impending correction, in the next few months, a long slow uphill period of bull market for about 6+ years, ending in your fatal Black Swan.
Assuming, of course, we ever get into the Bullish phase, ever.
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Sorry y'all, back to your regularly scheduled drama...
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Barring a complete socio-economic meltdown
Define "complete"
I am planning not for the end of society, but rather for the collapse of the USD, ~20% unemployment, massive inflation, state budgets going to nearly zilch, religious charities setting up soup kitchens, a(nother) major war to take peoples' minds off their troubles (no idea against who), possibly some states splitting off from the USA after a few years of such.
The next impending wave of this correction is merger and acquisition.
No. This one is different. M+A's require big capital investments that nobody but the very very biggest behemoths want to make.
So a few blue chips and mammoths sitting on mountains of cash (like, say, MSFT and ORCL, ahem) will do a lot of eating. But not enough to impact the wider economy.
if the Alpha bank can afford that debt within their acceptable ratio without tipping into the red.
Which are these banks you are referring to, with plenty of cash and looking for good risk to invest in? I'm not seeing it.
Coinciding with this is an expected period of stagflation or deflation, depending on the actual numbers to define which one.
Bernanke will never allow deflation, at any cost.
Stagflation -- sure. You bet. But not tame like the late-70s-early-80s.StagReallyBigFlation, maybe StagHyperFlation.
The dollar has bottomed
I am literally betting my life savings it has a lot farther to fall.
, and metal commodities are beginning to fall - China is experiencing a glut of warehoused production and is slowing in its stockpiling efforts, which increases the supply side and lowers commodities cost. As the dollar gains strength and stabilizes, gold is falling, requiring less dollars to buy an equivalent ounce. This causes selling pressure on gold, furthering its decline. This wave could take a really long time, I've seen some estimates that go out as far as 2017. That would include our impending correction, in the next few months, a long slow uphill period of bull market for about 6+ years, ending in your fatal Black Swan.
Assuming, of course, we ever get into the Bullish phase, ever.
Last sentence is the key.
Any fall in gold (or, more usefully, silver) is a very temporary buying opportunity.
The uphill is more like 6-18 months, not 6 years.
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Hey - this a drama thread.....none of this serious talk please!
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Supposedly Cassidy got arrested for being topless in Keene. Some say it was more of a drunken dare than a protest. That's a shocker.
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Whoa. Intelligent discussion in drama thread...now that's dramatic!
There are already pretty good deals out there on the market. Hopefully they'll get better!
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Barring a complete socio-economic meltdown
Define "complete"
I am planning not for the end of society, but rather for the collapse of the USD, ~20% unemployment, massive inflation, state budgets going to nearly zilch, religious charities setting up soup kitchens, a(nother) major war to take peoples' minds off their troubles (no idea against who), possibly some states splitting off from the USA after a few years of such.
The next impending wave of this correction is merger and acquisition.
No. This one is different. M+A's require big capital investments that nobody but the very very biggest behemoths want to make.
So a few blue chips and mammoths sitting on mountains of cash (like, say, MSFT and ORCL, ahem) will do a lot of eating. But not enough to impact the wider economy.
if the Alpha bank can afford that debt within their acceptable ratio without tipping into the red.
Which are these banks you are referring to, with plenty of cash and looking for good risk to invest in? I'm not seeing it.
Coinciding with this is an expected period of stagflation or deflation, depending on the actual numbers to define which one.
Bernanke will never allow deflation, at any cost.
Stagflation -- sure. You bet. But not tame like the late-70s-early-80s.StagReallyBigFlation, maybe StagHyperFlation.
The dollar has bottomed
I am literally betting my life savings it has a lot farther to fall.
, and metal commodities are beginning to fall - China is experiencing a glut of warehoused production and is slowing in its stockpiling efforts, which increases the supply side and lowers commodities cost. As the dollar gains strength and stabilizes, gold is falling, requiring less dollars to buy an equivalent ounce. This causes selling pressure on gold, furthering its decline. This wave could take a really long time, I've seen some estimates that go out as far as 2017. That would include our impending correction, in the next few months, a long slow uphill period of bull market for about 6+ years, ending in your fatal Black Swan.
Assuming, of course, we ever get into the Bullish phase, ever.
Last sentence is the key.
Any fall in gold (or, more usefully, silver) is a very temporary buying opportunity.
The uphill is more like 6-18 months, not 6 years.
Its all about the banks, Denis. And energy.
M$ and ORCL, they'll do whatever they do.
The banks were already arguably solvent in many cases, many could have earned their way out of the mess or been absorbed. Instead, they were artificially primed with a trillion in liquidity. Thats where the M+A activity will come from, banks. Goldman, Wells, BofA, JPM, and a bunch of stimulated regional leaders are all poised to absorb a fuck-ton of minor-leaguers, who also took a bunch of bail-out juice. This will create a whole new financial landscape in the next decade. These guys are gonna be rock-fuckin'-solid for a long time to come.
This 6(lol) to 18 month thing is a pipe dream, it is nothing but grim determination on your part to believe what you already believe.
This is, in my estimation, a bear market correction. Not a bull market. Bear markets don't mean death, they are a phase of the economic environment. This whole thing was a reaction to the emerging markets surge in conjunction with the mortgage/debt bubble. Simultaneous, severe blows which occurred when we were peaking on a long, sustained bull rally. Bear markets usually begin before the top, this started two years ago. Now, we're fully bearish, and this is a correction up. It will resume and bottom again. (but not as deep)
Thats where your bull phase will begin. When all the water in the pool finally stops sloshing around. Maybe a year from now, something like that. And they take a while to run. Thats where the energy comes in. As we slowly untangle ourselves from foreign oil dependence, domestic green shit will grind to life. Every year, more green cars are sold. More solar comes on line. More wind comes on line. Less oil money leaves our shores. Percent by percent, we grow. This impacts tech, industry, and a lot of home-grown builders who were beat down in the housing fuckup. Domestic, domestic, domestic. Banks at the ready to loan against profit and recovery.
Why do you think gold stalled? I just told ya, bears begin a while before bullishness is fully complete. Gold is a contrarian indicator of the economy, you know that. And its well known that gold works in concert with oil. We may see the death throwes of oil in the next few years, and gold will follow. As oil demand wanes, price will spike to keep the profit rolling as a constant. Them arabs want their trillion bucks next year, too. So that'll probably make gold flirt with highs again. But I wouldn't start growing horns on gold, that'd be a mistake.
I think I've made it abundantly clear, I wish you nothing but the best of success, I would gladly shake your hand and toast your profit. In fact, I look forward to it. But I think it'll take a while longer than the next two-three years to play out.
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So, how bout them titties?
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Supposedly Cassidy got arrested for being topless in Keene. Some say it was more of a drunken dare than a protest. That's a shocker.
No one was drunk.
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As we slowly untangle ourselves from foreign oil dependence, domestic green shit will grind to life. Every year, more green cars are sold. More solar comes on line. More wind comes on line. Less oil money leaves our shores.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Tex.
1) On what alternate world-track is the USA getting significantly less dependent on foreign crude? "Alternate" (including nuclear) energy isn't going to produce more than 10-15% of US energy in the next 20 years, and that's being generous.
2) "Less oil money leaves our shores" -- the current-account deficit is an untamed monster. Even if we pull back 10-15% on oil money, we're still bleeding freely
You seem to assume there are certain cycles that persist, and that these cycles are the bedrock of reality. They are not -- they are the accidental surface observations of the flows of productivity and capital. The USA can't export debt forever; therefore, the only question is when it will stop doing so, and in what manner.
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:shock: :lol:
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As we slowly untangle ourselves from foreign oil dependence, domestic green shit will grind to life. Every year, more green cars are sold. More solar comes on line. More wind comes on line. Less oil money leaves our shores.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Tex.
1) On what alternate world-track is the USA getting significantly less dependent on foreign crude? "Alternate" (including nuclear) energy isn't going to produce more than 10-15% of US energy in the next 20 years, and that's being generous.
2) "Less oil money leaves our shores" -- the current-account deficit is an untamed monster. Even if we pull back 10-15% on oil money, we're still bleeding freely
You seem to assume there are certain cycles that persist, and that these cycles are the bedrock of reality. They are not -- they are the accidental surface observations of the flows of productivity and capital. The USA can't export debt forever; therefore, the only question is when it will stop doing so, and in what manner.
Lets take this over to the Dow thread - these people aren't interested...
I'll C/P and reply there.
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Hey - just read this on one of the other forums:
http://www.nhclog.org/stories/2009/08/21/08/30/ivy_walker
Ivy’s R.I. case: Governor’s Warrant signed, arrested again
Fri, 2009-08-21 08:30 -0400 — jraxis
On 2009-08-20, Ivy Walker walked into the New Hampton Police Department of her own accord, and was notified that the Governor’s Warrant for her extradition to Rhode Island had been signed, whereupon she was arrested.
The arraignment took place on 2009-08-21 at 08:30 in Laconia District Court. The judge gave Rhode Island until Wednesday, 2009-08-26 to transport her back to Rhode Island or, per RSA 612:10, her case will be brought to Superior Court for review.
We’ll update this story as we have more news to report.
OK - nothing super drama filled.....but it is just Monday morning......
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what for?
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http://www.nhclog.org/stories/2009/06/04/18/35/ivy_walker
The Rhode Island complaint alleges welfare fraud, obtaining money under false pretenses, and filing false documents with public officials (all presumably related).
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No catty sniping, no bitching. Sounds like "No Drama"
But it is happening in the Free State.
So this is the chick that did the topless protest in Keene?
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So this is the chick that did the topless protest in Keene?
Nothing gets past The Detective!
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No catty sniping, no bitching. Sounds like "No Drama"
But it is happening in the Free State.
So this is the chick that did the topless protest in Keene?
Yep.
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So this is the chick that did the topless protest in Keene?
Nothing gets past The Detective!
right. . .try and keep up.
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well no one has ever accused blackie of being intelligent.
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well no one has ever accused blackie of being intelligent.
seems like a smart dude to me
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So this is the chick that did the topless protest in Keene?
Nothing gets past The Detective!
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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I just found it weird that an 18yo was dating Ron. When I heard about the breakup, I just assumed Cassidy was 30 something.
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I just found it weird that an 18yo was dating Ron.
Sugar daddy.
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I just found it weird that an 18yo was dating Ron.
Sugar daddy.
which might explain the timing of the break up
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I just found it weird that an 18yo was dating Ron.
Sugar daddy.
which might explain the timing of the break up
That's what I'm sayin'.
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I just found it weird that an 18yo was dating Ron.
Sugar daddy.
which might explain the timing of the break up
That's what I'm sayin'.
Is this supposed to be a burn?
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I just found it weird that an 18yo was dating Ron.
Sugar daddy.
which might explain the timing of the break up
That's what I'm sayin'.
Is this supposed to be a burn?
Go back to drinking and stay out of this.
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I just found it weird that an 18yo was dating Ron. When I heard about the breakup, I just assumed Cassidy was 30 something.
How old is he?
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I just found it weird that an 18yo was dating Ron. When I heard about the breakup, I just assumed Cassidy was 30 something.
How old is he?
I think 43. It's not so much the difference in age, but what does a 43 year old man have in common with an 18 year old girl?
OK - I know the obvious answer, so don't bother to mention sex. :shock:
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My husband is quite concerned about this topless protest. He scoured the internet and did not find any video evidence of the supposedly exposed boobs. If boobs were exposed somewhere and there aren't any videos showing said boobs, were any boobs actually exposed?
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I always say unless there are pictures, it didn't happen. :P
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My husband is quite concerned about this topless protest. He scoured the internet and did not find any video evidence of the supposedly exposed boobs. If boobs were exposed somewhere and there aren't any videos showing said boobs, were any boobs actually exposed?
[youtube=425,350]D2Jp6CISXxg[/youtube]
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Update: He found a video showing the boobs. All is well.
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Where?
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Cassidy is a friend of mine and the break up had nothing to do with the topless protest...or the age difference. Why are we even talking about her relationships?
She is old enough to make her own decisions and did so by standing up for what she believes in..ie: woman's equality. That's all that counts here.
I just found it weird that an 18yo was dating Ron.
Sugar daddy.
which might explain the timing of the break up
That's what I'm sayin'.
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Cassidy is a friend of mine and the break up had nothing to do with the topless protest...or the age difference. Why are we even talking about her relationships?
The thread is called 'Drama in the Free State'
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Cassidy is a friend of mine
.. and now the FTL BBS will begin the process of figuring out who you are IRL :lol:
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Cassidy is a friend of mine and the break up had nothing to do with the topless protest...or the age difference. Why are we even talking about her relationships?
The thread is called 'Drama in the Free State'
Why are people always so perplexed as to the things that get discussed here? Drama in the Free State.....it's like our very own version of Days of Our Lives. :shock:
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Update: He found a video showing the boobs. All is well.
No it's not. I still haven't.
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The boobs are there, you just really have to look for them.
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Posted elsewhere by Jeremy Olson:
On 2009-08-25, Ivy was extradited to Rhode Island to stand trial for the charges for which she was arrested in June.
The Rhode Island arraignment happened on 2009-08-26 at 08:00 in Providence Superior Court. Bill Walker, Cassidy Nicosia, and myself made the trip down to attend the arraignment. With the help of a prominent R.I. lawyer who happens to be friends with a behind-the-scenes NH-CLOG contributor, Ivy was released on personal-recognizance bail. Once again, Ivy is free.
We all made it back to New Hampshire by 18:30.
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Update: He found a video showing the boobs. All is well.
No it's not. I still haven't.
Enjoy:
http://qik.com/video/2644765
http://qik.com/video/2644598
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Update: He found a video showing the boobs. All is well.
No it's not. I still haven't.
Enjoy:
http://qik.com/video/2644765
http://qik.com/video/2644598
Those videos do not show nipples.
That's the point they've been making.
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Gee - don;t take this the wrong way guys, but if you're spending much times trying to catch a glimpse of Cassidy's nude "rack"....I'm really worried for all of you. Seriously.
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Update: He found a video showing the boobs. All is well.
No it's not. I still haven't.
Enjoy:
http://qik.com/video/2644765
http://qik.com/video/2644598
Those videos do not show nipples.
That's the point they've been making.
The first one certainly does, at about 4:57 left in the vid. The second is not as obvious, but there's a very brief glimpse right as she's being arrested.
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My cat has 6 or 8 boobs, too.....do I need to post a picture of that for you guys to check out, too?
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My cat has 6 or 8 boobs, too.....do I need to post a picture of that for you guys to check out, too?
You're a chick, right?
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Ivy is free.
In more ways than one....or so I'm told
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My cat has 6 or 8 boobs, too.....do I need to post a picture of that for you guys to check out, too?
:lol:
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My cat has 6 or 8 boobs, too.....do I need to post a picture of that for you guys to check out, too?
Is she hot?
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My cat has 6 or 8 boobs, too.....do I need to post a picture of that for you guys to check out, too?
Yes, you should definitely post pictures of your pussy.
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I don't think I want to see that either.
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The Granite State Gang
New Hampshire transplants live free — or die trying
By CHRIS FARAONE | August 26, 2009
http://thephoenix.com/boston/news/88769-granite-state-gang/
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The Granite State Gang
New Hampshire transplants live free — or die trying
By CHRIS FARAONE | August 26, 2009
http://thephoenix.com/boston/news/88769-granite-state-gang/
The FSP now claims 729 members in the Granite State (most of whom live in and around the city of Keene)
They sure this is correct? What is the distribution of Free Staters anyway?
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The Granite State Gang
New Hampshire transplants live free — or die trying
By CHRIS FARAONE | August 26, 2009
http://thephoenix.com/boston/news/88769-granite-state-gang/
The FSP now claims 729 members in the Granite State (most of whom live in and around the city of Keene)
They sure this is correct? What is the distribution of Free Staters anyway?
Obviously that is hearsay, and incorrect.
This is not:
With regard to the lack of women, let's just say that the scene at Vendetta could have doubled for a Dungeons & Dragons party (with modern weapons, of course).
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They sure this is correct? What is the distribution of Free Staters anyway?
It ain't that. There are several errors in the article. Let's talk about that. Yeah, drama baby!
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Cassidy is a friend of mine and the break up had nothing to do with the topless protest...or the age difference. Why are we even talking about her relationships?
The thread is called 'Drama in the Free State'
Why are people always so perplexed as to the things that get discussed here? Drama in the Free State.....it's like our very own version of Days of Our Lives. :shock:
I agree with Momma Tammy.
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They sure this is correct? What is the distribution of Free Staters anyway?
It ain't that. There are several errors in the article. Let's talk about that. Yeah, drama baby!
Well this is where it was brought up so this is where I'm discussing it. and now it is just a matter of curiosity. I am curious about the distribution of free staters. Is that OK with you?
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Free Staters are thickest up and down 93.
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Free Staters are thickest up and down 93.
It probably corresponds pretty closely to the population density of NH. Mostly between Nashua and Concord, and toward the seacoast.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/New_Hampshire_population_map.png)
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What is even up in the northern tip?
I don't think I've ever been north of the white mountains in NH
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What is even up in the northern tip?
I don't think I've ever been north of the white mountains in NH
some folks living up there are rarely seen by friends and neighbors...let alone strangers
(they might see you...but you won't see them)
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I wouldn't go up there either. I've been told that they fuck their sisters and eat human flesh.
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that shit happens in Seabrook too, and that's as far south and east as you can go in NH.
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but in Seabrook it is because of the nuclear power plant. It might also be something to do with the whole Dagon thing.
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they used to say that there were three families. . . The Dows, the Eatons, and the Browns. Much intermingling since they didn't want to fuck outside of their race (their family). That was way before the nuke plant. After the nuke plant they just started having nuclear poisoned 3 eyed inbred babies.
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Cassidy is a friend of mine
.. and now the FTL BBS will begin the process of figuring out who you are IRL :lol:
I'm going to be the one to take the position he doesn't exist!
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Cassidy is a friend of mine
.. and now the FTL BBS will begin the process of figuring out who you are IRL :lol:
I'm going to be the one to take the position he doesn't exist!
So, it's one of Cassidy's male friends....
....
...
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Cassidy is a friend of mine
.. and now the FTL BBS will begin the process of figuring out who you are IRL :lol:
I'm going to be the one to take the position he doesn't exist!
So, it's one of Cassidy's male friends....
....
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with a screen name like mtnpeach?
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Cassidy is a friend of mine
.. and now the FTL BBS will begin the process of figuring out who you are IRL :lol:
I'm going to be the one to take the position he doesn't exist!
So, it's one of Cassidy's male friends....
....
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with a screen name like mtnpeach?
Dale?
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georgia?
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It sounds like someone in Grafton got busted for growing drugs. Post details if you have any.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19118.msg308485#msg308485
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Babies, babies everywhere.....
I hear there is a baby shower in the works for Sharon's latest spawn. Darn, I just know I'll be busy that day. :roll: Generally, you only throw a shower for someone's first baby....not the third.....even if all of the fathers are different.
And then I hear talk that another FSP female is pregnant as well. It should be interesting figuring out who the father in that situation is.....
Yowza.
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(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs097.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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Babies, babies everywhere.....
I hear there is a baby shower in the works for Sharon's latest spawn. Darn, I just know I'll be busy that day. :roll: Generally, you only throw a shower for someone's first baby....not the third.....even if all of the fathers are different.
And then I hear talk that another FSP female is pregnant as well. It should be interesting figuring out who the father in that situation is.....
Yowza.
Well I'd sure hope it is a female that was pregnant.
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Babies, babies everywhere.....
I hear there is a baby shower in the works for Sharon's latest spawn. Darn, I just know I'll be busy that day. :roll: Generally, you only throw a shower for someone's first baby....not the third.....even if all of the fathers are different.
And then I hear talk that another FSP female is pregnant as well. It should be interesting figuring out who the father in that situation is.....
Yowza.
Its like "Hair" over there! (aka hippie culture :lol: )
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I would say it is more like Jerry Springer.
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And then I hear talk that another FSP female is pregnant as well. It should be interesting figuring out who the father in that situation is.....
Hmm, let me guess.
http://freekeene.com/2009/08/23/raw-video-topless-equality-activist-arrested/
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What? You think the father is one of the guys in the video? Was it one of the cops?
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And then I hear talk that another FSP female is pregnant as well. It should be interesting figuring out who the father in that situation is.....
Hmm, let me guess.
http://freekeene.com/2009/08/23/raw-video-topless-equality-activist-arrested/
Maybe you should buy a lottery ticket today.....
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Damn...did you know that if you take the birth control pill as directed, it's 99.99% effective?
If you use it with condoms, your chances of getting pregnant are virtually zero!
Babies are expensive...condoms and pills...not so much.
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yeah, condoms and birth control are cheap but unfortunately given its overabundance I would say that stupidity is even cheaper.
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What? You think the father is one of the guys in the video? Was it one of the cops?
I was just making a logical observation about who might be a new mother.
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Damn...did you know that if you take the birth control pill as directed, it's 99.99% effective?
If you use it with condoms, your chances of getting pregnant are virtually zero!
Babies are expensive...condoms and pills...not so much.
Well, if you don't want to get a job, a baby is a great way to go.
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It sounds like someone in Grafton got busted for growing drugs. Post details if you have any.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19118.msg308485#msg308485
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19118.msg308565#msg308565
The victim doesn't want it discussed.
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What the fuck is wrong with these people? Don't want to discuss it? Then why get onto the fucking message boards and start hurling around accusations? Then they don't want to discuss it.
What do you know? Spill the beans.
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What the fuck is wrong with these people? Don't want to discuss it? Then why get onto the fucking message boards and start hurling around accusations? Then they don't want to discuss it.
What do you know? Spill the beans.
I blame Kat Kanning.
I called the Grafton PD, but the chief of police was not in, he was in court.
I also called the state police narcotics unit, and they said they didn't have any info of anything in Grafton county.
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So this is nothing more than a bunch of hysterical nutcases working themselves up over nothing again.
Fucking idiots.
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This is so bullshit. 750 FSPers in NH, and none of the ones I hang out with are growing dope :x
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I also called the state police narcotics unit, and they said they didn't have any info of anything in Grafton county.
Maybe it got resolved at a local level.
Maybe it had nothing to do with drugs.
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AnarchoJesse has been ordered to show up ta jail to serve 2 days for his outlaw gardening, but he said he isn't going to show up.
http://freekeene.com/2009/09/14/anarchojesse-ordered-to-jail-for-illegal-gardening/#comments
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Why the fuck are you talking about growing dope? Stop jumping to conclusions.
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This is so bullshit. 750 FSPers in NH, and none of the ones I hang out with are growing dope :x
Eh, it's probably better for you that that's the case ;)
Why the fuck are you talking about growing dope? Stop jumping to conclusions.
(http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg)
*rolls up the mat*
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Holy shit... I just learned that 2 FSPers broke up. Apparently I am one of the last to know -- one of my town selectmen told me. I am shocked -- they are both such nice people & I thought they were a nice couple! Oh well....
In other news, I hear the Freak Staters have taken over Taproom Tuesdays so the sane FSPers are going elsewhere on Tuesday nights.
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Why the fuck are you talking about growing dope? Stop jumping to conclusions.
Kat's second post:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19118.msg308432#msg308432
How did Merle the fucking "peacekeeper" become the biggest landowner in Grafton anyway? Does he get first dibs on property he himself has seized from innocent drug growers?
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In other news, I hear the Freak Staters have taken over Taproom Tuesdays so the sane FSPers are going elsewhere on Tuesday nights.
Where, cuz I'm in Nashua at the moment.
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Kat's second post:
How did Merle the fucking "peacekeeper" become the biggest landowner in Grafton anyway? Does he get first dibs on property he himself has seized from innocent drug growers?
I think you took Kat too literally, there.
Where, cuz I'm in Nashua at the moment.
Oh shi-
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Holy shit... I just learned that 2 FSPers broke up. Apparently I am one of the last to know -- one of my town selectmen told me. I am shocked -- they are both such nice people & I thought they were a nice couple! Oh well....
In other news, I hear the Freak Staters have taken over Taproom Tuesdays so the sane FSPers are going elsewhere on Tuesday nights.
:shock:
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Holy shit... I just learned that 2 FSPers broke up. Apparently I am one of the last to know -- one of my town selectmen told me. I am shocked -- they are both such nice people & I thought they were a nice couple! Oh well....
In other news, I hear the Freak Staters have taken over Taproom Tuesdays so the sane FSPers are going elsewhere on Tuesday nights.
:shock:
Does this mean Tammy goes to TT or not? Because I hardly ever go anymore (only for activism) and I've seen her there...
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Kat's second post:
How did Merle the fucking "peacekeeper" become the biggest landowner in Grafton anyway? Does he get first dibs on property he himself has seized from innocent drug growers?
I think you took Kat too literally, there.
It is the only crime mentioned in the thread, and I haven't heard on any drug growers getting busted in Grafton. If it isn't that, I am going with donkey sex until I hear otherwise.
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Kat's second post:
How did Merle the fucking "peacekeeper" become the biggest landowner in Grafton anyway? Does he get first dibs on property he himself has seized from innocent drug growers?
I think you took Kat too literally, there.
It is the only crime mentioned in the thread, and I haven't heard on any drug growers getting busted in Grafton. If it isn't that, I am going with donkey sex until I hear otherwise.
:shock:
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Kat's second post:
How did Merle the fucking "peacekeeper" become the biggest landowner in Grafton anyway? Does he get first dibs on property he himself has seized from innocent drug growers?
I think you took Kat too literally, there.
It is the only crime mentioned in the thread, and I haven't heard on any drug growers getting busted in Grafton. If it isn't that, I am going with donkey sex until I hear otherwise.
:shock:
The thread has gone down the memory hole...
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Holy shit... I just learned that 2 FSPers broke up. Apparently I am one of the last to know -- one of my town selectmen told me. I am shocked -- they are both such nice people & I thought they were a nice couple! Oh well....
In other news, I hear the Freak Staters have taken over Taproom Tuesdays so the sane FSPers are going elsewhere on Tuesday nights.
which ones are the freak staters?
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More freestaters arrested, and trying to keep it a secret.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1585.msg16942
So last night the Manchester police harassed some Free Staters in a park downtown that led to the arrest of two of them.
At breakfast this morning after FIJA outreach we discussed leaving from Murphy's tomorrow evening around 11pm to head over to Veterans Park on Elm Street to congregate.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1585.msg16961#msg16961
Renniks and I were there and decided we don't want to break the news about who was involved or why they were there. It's going to come out in a few days, a union leader reporter was in court and is doing a story on it, and it's not going to be a good story.
I bet they got arrested for buggery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggery).
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Hiding their arrests? How un-freestater-ish.
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Ivy gets lucky.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1046.msg17000#msg17000
Fake inspection sticker charges dismissed:—
http://www.nhclog.org/stories/2009/09/14/13/00/ivy_walker
On 2009-09-14, part two of Ivy’s alleged fake inspection sticker trial was held. The trial lasted less than five minutes: Ivy began making numerous motions, which Judge MacLeod interrupted, explaining he was well familiar with the case, and that the chain of custody of the physical evidence had been tainted—so the case was dismissed.
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Ivy gets lucky.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1046.msg17000#msg17000
Fake inspection sticker charges dismissed:—
http://www.nhclog.org/stories/2009/09/14/13/00/ivy_walker
On 2009-09-14, part two of Ivy’s alleged fake inspection sticker trial was held. The trial lasted less than five minutes: Ivy began making numerous motions, which Judge MacLeod interrupted, explaining he was well familiar with the case, and that the chain of custody of the physical evidence had been tainted—so the case was dismissed.
So Ivy was tainted? What?
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:P :lol: :lol: :lol:
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AnarchoJesse is avoiding the cops? Warrant out for his arrest soon? Maybe they'll bring in Bounty Hunters.
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He's going to break their jaws if they try to enter his home.
AnarchoJesse is such a fuck stain.
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That would be a mistake.
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Nah, I bet he'll run.
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He'll then turn into a puddle of piss as soon as the police show up.
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The good news: there's drama in this thread
The bad news: it's vague, undetailed drama. Who got arrested? Why? AnarchoJesse is hiding from cops? Why? I must know!
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I agree wit Evil Muppet.....not enough details.
Someone spill already!!
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I thought they mentioned on FTL that AnarchoJesse doesnt plan on showing up for court. I wasnt paying much attention so I posted what I believe they may have said on here...but as fact. :)
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Ariz. City couple held on molestation charges
Staff Reports
Published: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:26 AM MST
An Arizona City couple wanted for child sex offenses is being held in Manchester, N.H., pending an extradition hearing, according to the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office.
Timothy Whiteway, 32, was indicted last week by a Pinal County grand jury for 11 counts, including six counts of sexual conduct with a minor, three counts of molestation of a child and single counts of sexual exploitation of a minor and public sexual indecency.
His wife, Jennifer, 26, was indicted for six felony counts including two counts each of child abuse, sexual conduct with a minor and failing to report neglect of a minor. All charges are considered dangerous crimes against children.
The charges were filed after a four-month investigation by PCSO Detective Lisa Swinton. The couple allegedly molested their own children, a 5-year-old girl and a 4-year-old boy.
The children were removed from the couple’s Arizona City home by Child Protective Services on May 1. The crimes allegedly committed against the children are of a gruesome nature.
No official charges were filed against either until two weeks ago. They were arrested in May, but later were released. Further investigation was required so the charges could be filed.
In September, Swinton discovered Timothy and Jennifer Whiteway were in New Hampshire. They left Arizona in July after failing to appear at two court hearings regarding custody of their children. Two nationwide extraditable warrants were obtained with “no bond” for both.
A Manchester district judge lowered their bonds to $100,000 cash for each after the couple refused to waive extradition to Arizona.
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I was gunna make a joke about free staters and kiddy didling....
http://www.trivalleycentral.com/articles/2009/09/16/casa_grande_dispatch/top_stories/doc4ab10ea0ed13c833318682.txt
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Are these people FSPers? Otherwise I don't get the posting of the article.
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My guess:
More freestaters arrested, and trying to keep it a secret.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1585.msg16942
So last night the Manchester police harassed some Free Staters in a park downtown that led to the arrest of two of them.
At breakfast this morning after FIJA outreach we discussed leaving from Murphy's tomorrow evening around 11pm to head over to Veterans Park on Elm Street to congregate.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1585.msg16961#msg16961
Renniks and I were there and decided we don't want to break the news about who was involved or why they were there. It's going to come out in a few days, a union leader reporter was in court and is doing a story on it, and it's not going to be a good story.
I bet they got arrested for buggery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggery).
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I was gunna make a joke about free staters and kiddy didling....
http://www.trivalleycentral.com/articles/2009/09/16/casa_grande_dispatch/top_stories/doc4ab10ea0ed13c833318682.txt
someone call libman
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Anyone know this Freemason?
(http://www.pinallodge30.com/Images/Officers/2009/JDeacon.jpg)
http://www.pinallodge30.com/
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Sure, he does babysitting for all the Keene folks :P
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Ariz. City couple held on molestation charges
Staff Reports
Published: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:26 AM MST
An Arizona City couple wanted for child sex offenses is being held in Manchester, N.H., pending an extradition hearing, according to the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office.
Timothy Whiteway, 32, was indicted last week by a Pinal County grand jury for 11 counts, including six counts of sexual conduct with a minor, three counts of molestation of a child and single counts of sexual exploitation of a minor and public sexual indecency.
His wife, Jennifer, 26, was indicted for six felony counts including two counts each of child abuse, sexual conduct with a minor and failing to report neglect of a minor. All charges are considered dangerous crimes against children.
The charges were filed after a four-month investigation by PCSO Detective Lisa Swinton. The couple allegedly molested their own children, a 5-year-old girl and a 4-year-old boy.
The children were removed from the couple’s Arizona City home by Child Protective Services on May 1. The crimes allegedly committed against the children are of a gruesome nature.
No official charges were filed against either until two weeks ago. They were arrested in May, but later were released. Further investigation was required so the charges could be filed.
In September, Swinton discovered Timothy and Jennifer Whiteway were in New Hampshire. They left Arizona in July after failing to appear at two court hearings regarding custody of their children. Two nationwide extraditable warrants were obtained with “no bond” for both.
A Manchester district judge lowered their bonds to $100,000 cash for each after the couple refused to waive extradition to Arizona.
:shock: I used to live with these people... :shock: I thought the grandparents had custody of the kids because they didn't like the fact that the couple were pagans. I never heard anything about them failing to appear in court either. :shock: WTF, no wonder they had aliases.
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How do you get off molesting toddlers? Geez.
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How do you get off molesting toddlers? Geez.
It's a Free Stater thing, you wouldn't understand.
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How do you get off molesting toddlers? Geez.
It's a Free Stater thing, you wouldn't understand.
WELL AT LEAST IT'S NOT AN ARTICLE ABOUT DONKEY SEX.
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Are these people FSPers? Otherwise I don't get the posting of the article.
Yes, they were.
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Are these people FSPers? Otherwise I don't get the posting of the article.
Yes, they were are.
FTFY
Say it loud, say it proud!
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Are these people FSPers? Otherwise I don't get the posting of the article.
Yes, they were.
Have they been officially removed yet?
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Are these people FSPers? Otherwise I don't get the posting of the article.
Yes, they were.
That is a complete rumor. For example, after researching the subject, it was found that Ryan Marvin wasn't a FSer. There is no evidence that these folks are FSers, other than them saying they are FSers. I know several people that claim to be FSers but technically have zero official connection to the FSP.
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Are these people FSPers? Otherwise I don't get the posting of the article.
Yes, they were.
That is a complete rumor. For example, after researching the subject, it was found that Ryan Marvin wasn't a FSer. There is no evidence that these folks are FSers, other than them saying they are FSers. I know several people that claim to be FSers but technically have zero official connection to the FSP.
Nigger, please.
The only thing you need to do to be an "FSPer" is to say that you are one.
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There is no evidence that these folks are FSers, other than them saying they are FSers.
If they've said in public forums that they're FreeStaters, then there are going to be many who take them as just that, regardless of whether they've ever officially signed up.
Someone protesting overreaching government at the Tea Parties claiming an affinity or membership in the FSP, I'd think that's a good thing. Tax protesters, outlaw manicurists, people filming police stops and in courtrooms... all good. Worst thing someone "mainstream" is likely to think is that the FSP has a few quirky people in membership.
But anytime a story like this... or something like welfare fraud comes out with people who say they're FreeStaters, that's not a good thing for the public perception of the group.
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Cassidy is a friend of mine
.. and now the FTL BBS will begin the process of figuring out who you are IRL :lol:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1602
I'm thinking I have already done this before.. The forum told me today that it didn't recognize me so I'll do it again... hi I'm
mtnpeach, also know as, Joan Bastek.
I escaped from MA to NH many years ago but have lived in many places since then. Spent many years in GA and it was there that I found Libertarianism. Freedom has been a passion of mine for many years!
My activism started in high school when too many of my older friends were getting shipped off the Vietnam. It was then I took to the streets protesting war.
I was already back in NH when I came across the FSP while trying to get a dogpark into Manchester..Sooner or later if you have a problem with the government you'll run into Free Staters!
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Thanks for the research Blackie. You goin' to the Happening tomorrow in Boston?
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If they've said in public forums that they're FreeStaters, then there are going to be many who take them as just that, regardless of whether they've ever officially signed up.
Maybe to some. Nevertheless, I'm never seem evidence of that, either. Care to share it?
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If they've said in public forums that they're FreeStaters, then there are going to be many who take them as just that, regardless of whether they've ever officially signed up.
Maybe to some. Nevertheless, I'm never seem evidence of that, either. Care to share it?
If some asshole committed a crime and told me he was a free stater, why would I believe otherwise?
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If they've said in public forums that they're FreeStaters, then there are going to be many who take them as just that, regardless of whether they've ever officially signed up.
Maybe to some. Nevertheless, I'm never seem evidence of that, either. Care to share it?
If some asshole committed a crime and told me he was a free stater, why would I believe otherwise?
Because it sounds like he may have been a lair. You already said he was an asshole and that he committed a crime.
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If they've said in public forums that they're FreeStaters, then there are going to be many who take them as just that, regardless of whether they've ever officially signed up.
Maybe to some. Nevertheless, I'm never seem evidence of that, either. Care to share it?
If some asshole committed a crime and told me he was a free stater, why would I believe otherwise?
Because it sounds like he may have been a lair. You already said he was an asshole and that he committed a crime.
But if he said he was a Republican, or a Muslim, I'd believe him. I mean, how would i fact-check it? And why would I fact check it? I'm just the schmoe who lives across the street and he borrowed my lawnmower once.
I think you're forgetting the fact, not many people are into it as much as you. They don't read all this forum shit, they just see the names if different things pop up in the paper once in a while, or hear about it down at the MOOSE lodge.
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http://jewhampshire.com/
It's a Joey Dauben site. He hasn't been around here lately.
Last time was when he annonced the would run the Barry Cooper for Texas Attorney General (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=26897.msg507047#msg507047) campaign
Man Charged With Making Online Threats About Officers
Police Say Texas Man Hired NH Man To Post Personal Information
September 17, 2009
PLYMOUTH, N.H. -- A Plymouth man is being held on charges out of Texas alleging that he was paid to post police officers' private information online as a form of retaliation.
Investigators said the personal information Joseph Dauben is accused of posting included pictures of the officers and, in at least one case, a copy of an officer's driver's license. They said he also made threatening statements about a detective in Texas.
In a video posted on YouTube, Dauben holds up a copy of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" while calling out a Texas police detective.
"Let me put it very clear to everyone," Dauben said in the video. "This is 'The Art of War.' I will destroy you, John Allen J. Hoskins."
The video was posted Sept. 14 in the hours before Dauben was arrested in Plymouth in connection with previous comments he made on his blogs.
"We were contacted Monday evening around 9 o'clock from some authorities in Texas letting us know this gentleman was in our community," said Plymouth Chief Steven Temperi.
Police in Texas say Dauben was actually hired by Michael Meissner to retaliate against law enforcement on Meissner's behalf. Meissner is a police chief for a small town in Texas who has been under investigation for years. He was recently charged with posing online as a woman to solicit nude photos of teenage boys.
Hoskins, a detective in Combine, Texas, said Meissner paid Dauben at least $200 to post personal information about the investigating officers on the Internet.
"He was basically retaliating not only against myself but other officers from our agency, and he was actually paid to do so," Hoskins said.
In the Sept. 14 video, Dauben said he wanted to make a public statement about what he called rogue law enforcement.
"I will destroy you by using every weapon I have, through my media, my blogs and my newspapers," he said.
One of Dauben's sites says he leads a Young Republicans group in the North Country. New Hampshire Young Republicans confirmed that he has been a volunteer with the organization, but he was suspended because of the charges.
Deaben is originally from Texas and moved to New Hampshire in the spring. Authorities said he could be extradited to Texas soon.
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Hahahahaha! I'm glad that fucktard got fucked.
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http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/?p=8665&cpage=1
Update| Joey Dauben Arrested
September 17, 2009 by Megan Gray
So far, according to Grafton County Jail, Joey Dauben is being held without bail on fugitive from justice charges.
Which means, even though this investigation started this summer and he has been GONE since February to establish residency for law school, he is being held on fleeing from the law basically.
According to the press release sent from the Combine Police Department, he is currently being held in the Grafton County Jail in Plymouth, New Hampshire awaiting the extradition process back to Texas.
Probable cause affidavits for the warrants of his arrests presented to Judge John Creuzot, Criminal District Court #4 are as follows:
Engaging in organized criminal activity, a second degree felony
Obstruction or Retaliation, a third degree felony
Misuse of Official information, a third degree felony
These charges are stemming from a drivers license photo posted on this very site of John Hoskins, a Combine police officer and alleged monetary transactions received from Michael Meissner, former chief of police in Bardwell, to Dauben, thus him being paid to “slander” Hoskins on the blogs.
The unlawful misuse of information charge stems from Dauben posting information he allegedly obtained from Meissner.
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The Joey post:
http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/kaufman/?p=193
IT GETS BETTER (RE: OFFICIAL OPPRESSION COMPLAINT ON JOHN ALLEN HOSKINS)
Posted by: J on Sep 14th, 2009 | Filed under: Combine, Combine Police Department
I filed an official oppression complaint against (Kaufman County’s) Combine Police Dept. Det. John Allen “Jay” Hoskins for him using his badge and gun to come after me for political and personal reasons. Hoskins is a former writer for me at The Ellis County Press and a former contributor to this blog.
Only until he got a job at Combine PD did he launch his “investigation” into how I obtained a mug shot of a police officer who had been arrested for impersonating a peace officer.
That official oppression complaint to the Kaufman County Sheriff can be found here:
[Click Here for the Official Oppression Complaint on John Allen "Jay" Hoskins]
But it gets better…
In the affadavit for his search warrants to my cellphone provider (T-Mobile) and my e-mail accounts (Hotmail/Microsoft/Google) to obtain where I received a public information-worthy mug shot of a colleague, Det. Hoskins admitted to having his affadavits “thoroughly read through” by Kaufman County’s 85th District Judge Howard Tygrett.
These search warrants were submitted to the e-mail/cell providers for three people: me; the ECO’s former webmaster Ali Akbar and former Bardwell Police Chief Michael Meissner, whom Hoskins runs a Web site about and has for over a year and has penned numerous articles for the ECP over. Hoskins claims that we are all three involved in a conspiracy to jeopardize the prosecution of this arrested cop (Achey).
In an e-mail after a phone call on August 18 when I was out in Los Angeles for business, Hoskins (after repeated calls, I finally answered the Dallas-area number; I didn’t know who it was until I answered) told me that Microsoft had turned over 250 to 300 MB (megabytes) of information as part of his “investigation” to see where I obtained a mug shot of his colleague, William Achey, who had been arrested for impersonating an officer.
Click Here for Page 1 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 2 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 3 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 4 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 5 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 6 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 7 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 8 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 9 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 10 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 11 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 12 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 13 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 14 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 15 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
Click Here for Page 16 of the Search Warrant Affidavit
3 Points of Interest on Those Search Warrant Affidavits:
In the affidavit for former Chief Meissner, Hoskins seeks records for “michaelmeissner@yahoo.com.” How convenient that he would ask for an e-mail address’ records on an e-mail address that up until the reading of the affidavit, I had no idea existed.
Perhaps it’s because had Hoskins asked for Meissner’s slickmike501@yahoo.com’s e-mail address, it would be proven that Hoskins had the password AND ACCESS to that account. He admitted as such to me repeated times. It’s true. Hoskins claimed on more than one phone conversation that he had the password to slickmike501@yahoo.com and had access to it.
Interestingly, Hoskins also once had access and the password to my ECO blog’s administrative controls. And interestingly, select articles, posts, photos and my Classifieds Ad sections were mysteriously deleted.
What a fucking pig. Of course, I’m sure there is/was a reason Hoskins’ search warrant affidavit didn’t include Yahoo Instant Messenger conversations for IF HE HAD, maybe Hoskins’ admitting to indirectly being involved with anonymous IP address attacks on myself and defense lawyer Rodney Pat Ramsey would have been revealed.
Maybe those same Yahoo IM conversations would have revealed all sorts of Hoskins’ statements about “pissing Joey off” when I kept getting screen names on this blog attacking Rodney and I.
And here’s the bombshell Point No. 2:
The judge who signed off on the warrant to issue for the e-mail and phone records WAS LISTED AS AN INJURED PARTY IN THE AFFIDAVIT.
What does this mean?
This means that those search warrants are WORTHLESS. You cannot sign a warrant when you are listed as an INJURED PARTY. Somewhere there’s got to be a judicial canon prohibiting this…
Point No. 3:
No facts were given to substantiate Hoskins’ allegations. Mere assumptions of where I obtained the mug shot (it’s public record and he has the nerve to accuse me of committing a third-degree felony!!!)
Effing idiot.
What a sloppy pig of a man that John Allen “Jay” Hoskins is.
Using his badge to come after me?
I vowed to destroy the person or persons who were behind the IP address attacks against Rodney and I. Readers, do you know what the definition of destroy means? Out of all the words in the English language, nothing compares to the word “destroy.” It is truly a powerful word. That’s why the Torah says there’s power in your tongue.
Well there’s power in my blog, and I vowed then to find out who was behind the screen names attacking me and Rodney using bounced-off-of-hidden-servers and destroy them and employ ever media weapon I have against him or her.
I knew it was Hoskins all along.
And because of Hoskins’ checkered gypsy cop past (nine agencies, nothing lasting past four months), the Kaufman County District Attorney and his assistants refuse to pursue any case that Hoskins files.
Maybe it’s because in every situation and almost every agency he’s been at, his pattern is clear: he launches bogus f-ed up “investigations” on people…and then leaves that agency.
Oh, did I mention that Hoskins isn’t even being PAID to do work at Combine PD? He’s a volunteer full-time officer. He’s not even being paid a dime, and yet his actions are going to end up costing Combine taxpayers a shit load of money.
Civil rights violations are just the tip of the iceberg, ladies and gentlemen.
That city council in Combine better get their act together really damn quick. That police chief, Steve Allen, better fire Hoskins before things get real, real bad. And they won’t be getting any better.
I vowed to destroy the person who attacked Rodney and I. And I meant it. I’m going to destroy John Allen “Jay” Hoskins from ever doing this shit again.
Effing idiot. Uneducated fat slob of a pork-and-beans-eating filth idiot…
And if you support what Hoskins has done, you will be lumped in with him. I don’t discriminate. I hate corruption in all of its forms. I hate liars in all of their forms. I don’t care if you wear a badge, a cap, a hat or a nameplate. I care not. If you are supportive of this, I will destroy you too.
And just so the courtroom exhibits are clear, my intent is figurative — meaning, when I say “destroy,” I mean it as through my blogs, my newspaper (yes, this shit is hitting print) and any other media weapon I have at my disposal.
[Original Post from Sunday, Sept. 13, 2009]
I filed an official oppression complaint against Combine Police Dept. Det. John Allen “Jay” Hoskins with the Kaufman County Sheriff’s Office for using his badge and gun to go after me for allegations that I committed a third-degree felony for having a mug shot of an arrested cop e-mailed to me.
The last time I or my lawyer friends checked, simply receiving e-mails was not a felony. On the same token, as a blogger, reporter, media representative, it matters not how I obtained public information. But that’s for the sheriff to decide. And or the DA.
First, Some History…
I hired Hoskins to write articles for The Ellis County Press when I was the news editor (December 2007-February 2009). He is a former contributor/editor to The Ellis County Observer as well (ECP & ECO are two separate entities.)
When I found out that Hoskins was the suspect (before his employment with CPD) behind the anonymous screen-name attacks against defense lawyer Rodney Pat Ramsey and I (via an FBI-style IP trace that my Web team performed) several months ago, I threatened to destroy whoever it was that did it. I vowed to use every media tool in my arsenal I had access to. And I meant it.
And now in the public sphere, I provide my readers with the official oppression complaint, as well as the exhibits I submitted to Kaufman County Sheriff David Byrnes.
[CLICK HERE FOR THE OFFICIAL OPPRESSION COMPLAINT ON JOHN ALLEN "JAY" HOSKINS]
[First] John Allen “Jay” Hoskins accused me of being under state and federal investigations after I submitted a Texas Open Records Act request seeking his payroll information from Combine and Web search data on city computers. I wanted to see if he was the one who continued to post comments on this blog after I publicly told him to stop; some of those comments proved to be coming straight from John Allen “Jay” Hoskins (via his pasting of e-mails — see the exhibits), as I suspected.
[Second] The response to my Texas Open Records Act request was a littany of accusations that I was “under state and federal investigation” for ties to the Ayran Brotherhood (lol!) and all this other comical bullshit…that was Combine PD’s official response to my request for open records! Can you believe that? A governmental entity responded to a Texas Open Records Act request with accusations that I am under investigations and have ties to the Ayran Brotherhood. LOL!
[Click Here for the Combine PD's Response to an Open Records Act Request Accusing the ECO of ties to the Aryan Brotherhood]
[Third] Then, what made the matter even worse was “Detective” Hoskins’ filing search warrant affidavits in Kaufman County after The Ellis County Observer received a mug shot of fellow cop at Combine; mug shots are public record. I published a mug shot of William “Bill” Achey, who was arrested in Dallas County for impersonating a police officer. John Allen “Jay” Hoskins, claiming he had a unanimous city council vote to pursue investigations, filed the search warrant affidavits with 85th District Court Judge Tygrett.
(read my ranting and raving below this post)
[Click Here for Anonymous Attacks on Defense Lawyer Mark Griffith, Who We Suspect Was Also John Allen "Jay" Hoskins]
[CLICK HERE FOR EXHIBIT C]
[CLICK HERE FOR EXHIBIT D]
[CLICK HERE FOR THE OFFICIAL OPPRESSION COMPLAINT ON JOHN ALLEN "JAY" HOSKINS]
[Fourth] What this Achey mug shot really stems from, though, is The Ellis County Observer, after learning of John Allen “Jay” Hoskins’ involvement in the IP attacks, publishing a reported driver’s license photo of him.
That photo, too, was e-mailed to this blog and was published. Hoskins claimed then that his photo was “accessed illegally.” He claims that Achey’s photo was also “accessed illegally.”
John Allen “Jay” Hoskins alleged over the phone on August 18 that even receiving the e-mail was a third-degree felony. John Allen “Jay” Hoskins alleged that publishing the mug shot obtained from a so-called “secure” database available “only to law enforcement” amounted to a third-degree felony.
John Allen “Jay” Hoskins has used his badge and his gun to go after political opponents. That’s the only way he is able to maintain his accusations. He can’t simply utilize the infamous Web site he started on a former co-worker — the one he still publishes to this day.
[CLICK HERE FOR THE OFFICIAL OPPRESSION COMPLAINT ON JOHN ALLEN "JAY" HOSKINS]
Official Oppression is a jailable offense. Unlike obtaining information from sources to report on blogs or other media, using one’s badge and position to go after political enemies and opponents is against the law.
Combine’s city council, I doubt, did not give carte blanche approval for John Allen “Jay” Hoskins to commit official oppression. This gypsy cop has made a career out of being obsessed with his former co-worker. He has a past history of digging up all sorts of bizarre accusations, even filing lawsuits and seeking suits and “investigations” on former co-workers at almost every police agency he’s been an employee of.
The thing is, John Allen “Jay” Hoskins called me numerous times to attempt to get his name removed and changed from The Ellis County Press masthead so that he could land better chances to get employment with the Ellis County Sheriff’s Office and other law enforcement agencies. He also wrote under the alias Jeremy Phillips to conceal his “investigation” reports.
[CLICK HERE FOR THE OFFICIAL OPPRESSION COMPLAINT ON JOHN ALLEN "JAY" HOSKINS]
As the former news editor for The Ellis County Press, I am having severe concerns over what was published in the paper under my news department. The credibility of John Allen “Jay” Hoskins has now tainted any story he ever wrote, or I agreed to assign. This is not pie-in-the-sky talk. This is serious material. John Allen “Jay” Hoskins has a history of accusing people of “liking little boys” and of being a child molester, or having accusations resemble those dangerous allegations.
FOR MEDIA INQUIRIES OR FURTHER COMMENTS, CONTACT JOEY G. DAUBEN AT: joeygdauben@gmail.com or 972-891-2135
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"This is 'The Art of War.' I will destroy you, John Allen J. Hoskins."
I wonder where in that book it said making the above statement was advisable.
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"This is 'The Art of War.' I will destroy you, John Allen J. Hoskins."
I wonder where in that book it said making the above statement was advisable.
HA! I recall when that book became really big in the 1990s. Everyone had a copy and was talking about it in the business world. In the military I would hear folks talking about it too. Few of those people seem to have read any of it. It seems that the metaphor of business as war was all that they were interested in. Anyone who had read even half of the book would know that if you are talking about 'war' then you are pretty much doing the opposite of what is productive.
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John Hoskins, a Combine police officer
(http://ui21.gamespot.com/84/halflife_2.jpg)
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I met Joey only once, at Obama's "Town Hall" rally in Portsmouth (where William Kostric famously open carried)
He seemed like a really cool guy to me. He had a bullhorn and was throwing free-market stuff back into the faces of the Obamanite Commie chanters, it felt wonderful to have a libertarian counter to their sad tired "health care for all!" chants.
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Blackie is slackin.
No mention of FMTV Nick yet.
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I was almost gunna post "What did he do, rape someone?"
Then I looked
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1614.msg17320
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Freedom of the Press!
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Is this that crazy "Pinky Mary" woman from the FTL boards?
It's unfortunate that Nick is involved with a loon.
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Police are still weighing false report charges against Wheeler for the sexual assault claim, he said.
If she doesn't want to testify against Nick, the police can pressure her into it.
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Is this that crazy "Pinky Mary" woman from the FTL boards?
It's unfortunate that Nick is involved with a loon.
HAHA. This was the LITERALLY crazy girl Taors fucked in Denver when we went on the trip together. Yeah, I wouldn't believe anything she says.
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Is there anyone in the NH liberty movement who doesn't have dirt on them?
If Free Staters don't want to get marginalized as some cultish group, it might help to keep the sexual abuse allegations to a minimum, or at least out of the public eye.
Politicians have people to keep this shit quiet for a reason.
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Is there anyone in the NH liberty movement who doesn't have dirt on them?
If Free Staters don't want to get marginalized as some cultish group, it might help to keep the sexual abuse allegations to a minimum, or at least out of the public eye.
Politicians have people to keep this shit quiet for a reason.
Yes, I know. Of course, Nick isn't in any way related to the FSP. However, Pinkie may be a participant. She did withdraw though, and refuse to testify.
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Of course, Nick isn't in any way related to the FSP.
What is your definition of "related"?
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Poor Nick. I guess some guys have to go thru the "insane-on-meds" GF experience. :(
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1614.msg17255#msg17255
Please note, Nick does not want people to attend the arraignment or trial as this is not activism.
I think people should go, not stand for the judge, and wear top hats. They can say it is a Quaker thing.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zqFoq3qej2c/SNrs6zhVZsI/AAAAAAAAdAQ/XicAG2KXpaE/s400/Quaker-Oats-Man(1).jpg)
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Wasn't Nick the guy who fucked Ivy? Doesn't this guy learn? He needs to stop fucking the fucking loony scanks.
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The drama with Ivy was with Nick Ryder, the new drama is Nick Michelewicz.
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Wasn't Nick the guy who fucked Ivy? Doesn't this guy learn? He needs to stop fucking the fucking loony scanks.
No, different native.
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Which chick are we talking about? I'm not sure if I've ever met her or not. I thought I knew all the crazy Free Stater chicks.
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Anyone know this Freemason?
(http://www.pinallodge30.com/Images/Officers/2009/JDeacon.jpg)
http://www.pinallodge30.com/
Tyler Sanstail, same guy?
(http://www.mail-to-jail.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/activist_pic/6925_133427329786_813494786_2377240_7938190_n.jpg)
You can mail letters to him if you want:
http://www.mail-to-jail.com/node/611
Timothy Whiteway
CCN #46036
445 Willow Street
Manchester, NH 03103
Tyler and his wife, Eirene, were arrested in Manchester on 9/14/09. They were accosted by cops for being in a park "after hours" and the cops learned of an arrest warrant in Arizona when running their IDs. Very little is known right now, except to government agents and, possibly, Tyler and Eirene, but it is believed Tyler and Eirene are challenging the extradition via a public defender. They are each being held on US$100,000 cash-only bail, and thus will likely be in jail in Manchester until the extradition hearing sometime in mid-October.
Send Tyler a letter by clicking here (http://www.mail-to-jail.com/node/add/letter), or a postcard by clicking here (http://www.mail-to-jail.com/node/add/postcard).
Eirene Sanstail(Jennifer Whiteway)
(http://www.mail-to-jail.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/activist_pic/6925_133427469786_813494786_2377258_2920073_n.jpg)
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Which chick are we talking about? I'm not sure if I've ever met her or not. I thought I knew all the crazy Free Stater chicks.
She may not be a FSP participant. She was on this forum for quite a while. You never met her.
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Is there anyone in the NH liberty movement who doesn't have dirt on them?
If Free Staters don't want to get marginalized as some cultish group, it might help to keep the sexual abuse allegations to a minimum, or at least out of the public eye.
Politicians have people to keep this shit quiet for a reason.
Remember, the Freestate Project is just the bus that takes you to New Hampshire to hide from those trying to serve your arrest warrant. What crimes you commit once you get off the bus is entirely up to you.
I guess if you're on the run or are hiding from a past life of embarassing crimes, moving to a community that eschews carrying a driver's license is a good idea. You can be any name with any past -- a fresh start.
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I guess if you're on the run or are hiding from a past life of embarassing crimes, moving to a community that eschews carrying a driver's license is a good idea. You can be any name with any past -- a fresh start.
AK or just about any major city makes more sense.
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I guess if you're on the run or are hiding from a past life of embarassing crimes, moving to a community that eschews carrying a driver's license is a good idea. You can be any name with any past -- a fresh start.
AK or just about any major city makes more sense.
Why? Timothy and Jennifer Whiteaway picked up and moved to NH et voila, they became Tyler and Eirene Sanstail.
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An embarrassing crime is something like getting really hammered one night and getting caught taking a piss into the backseat of a squad car.
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Why? Timothy and Jennifer Whiteaway picked up and moved to NH et voila, they became Tyler and Eirene Sanstail.
And you see how far that got them. It's known (at least by some) that some criminals go to AK to hide out. It's somewhat easy to lose your identity in a major city among the millions of people.
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I guess if you're on the run or are hiding from a past life of embarassing crimes, moving to a community that eschews carrying a driver's license is a good idea. You can be any name with any past -- a fresh start.
AK or just about any major city makes more sense.
But the FSP will give you an instant support network.
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AK or just about any major city makes more sense.
But the FSP will give you an instant support network.
Yep, and it apparently doesn't matter what crime you're running, the support will be there. Welch on your child support? Beat your ex? Torture your pets? Molest your kids? Come be a freestater and we'll cheer for you 'cause you're sticking it to the man by breaking the law!
Kat Kanning is even trying to recruit people currently serving time in prison to move to NH as freestaters when they get out on parole under the twisted theory that, if the justice system put them in prison, they must be the good guys.
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Kat Kanning is even trying to recruit people currently serving time in prison to move to NH as freestaters when they get out on parole under the twisted theory that, if the justice system put them in prison, they must be the good guys.
Somehow this doesn't surprise me.
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Ordinary People: "only bad people go to jail"
Freak Staters: "only good people go to jail"
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so ordinary people are wrong right?
drug offenders are in jail, they might not be good, but they shouldn't fucking be there.
such freaks who oppose the system instead of giving it fellatio.
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Yep, and it apparently doesn't matter what crime you're running, the support will be there. Welch on your child support? Beat your ex? Torture your pets? Molest your kids? Come be a freestater and we'll cheer for you 'cause you're sticking it to the man by breaking the law!
Kat Kanning is even trying to recruit people currently serving time in prison to move to NH as freestaters when they get out on parole under the twisted theory that, if the justice system put them in prison, they must be the good guys.
What a fucking dimwit? Why in the fuck would they want to recruit people from prison? They trying to create the Nation of Islam or something? Jesus Christ it seems like some of these people don't even have brain one in their fucking heads.
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Yep, and it apparently doesn't matter what crime you're running, the support will be there. Welch on your child support? Beat your ex? Torture your pets? Molest your kids? Come be a freestater and we'll cheer for you 'cause you're sticking it to the man by breaking the law!
Kat Kanning is even trying to recruit people currently serving time in prison to move to NH as freestaters when they get out on parole under the twisted theory that, if the justice system put them in prison, they must be the good guys.
What a fucking dimwit? Why in the fuck would they want to recruit people from prison? They trying to create the Nation of Islam or something? Jesus Christ it seems like some of these people don't even have brain one in their fucking heads.
As messed up and perverted as our justice system may sometimes be, I would be extremely wary of recruiting from prisons. I wouldn't do it at all.
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Yep, and it apparently doesn't matter what crime you're running, the support will be there. Welch on your child support? Beat your ex? Torture your pets? Molest your kids? Come be a freestater and we'll cheer for you 'cause you're sticking it to the man by breaking the law!
Kat Kanning is even trying to recruit people currently serving time in prison to move to NH as freestaters when they get out on parole under the twisted theory that, if the justice system put them in prison, they must be the good guys.
What a fucking dimwit? Why in the fuck would they want to recruit people from prison? They trying to create the Nation of Islam or something? Jesus Christ it seems like some of these people don't even have brain one in their fucking heads.
As messed up and perverted as our justice system may sometimes be, I would be extremely wary of recruiting from prisons. I wouldn't do it at all.
Fuck Australia.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1632
FREE STEAM BATH THIS SUNDAY AT THE HOYT FARM!!! (Clothing optional event)
This event is like a steam room in a gym or whatever, except outside in the middle of the woods, co-sex, and nudity is allowed/encouraged in the event area.
Basically summary:
a) Huge bonfire in the afternoon/evening to heat the rocks.
b) We move the super heated rocks into a fully enclosed tent.
c) Put water on the rocks, creating a steam bath for all to enjoy.
I can't promise to be online too much, since email isn't solid where I'm staying.
Please discuss and encourage attendance.
Donations are allowed and will be used to pay for future events of a similar nature.
Please bring towel and any consumables you would like to share with others.
Hoyt farm is where Kat and Russell live.
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Is there anyone in the NH liberty movement who doesn't have dirt on them?
I don't. Until I moved up here, I thought most people didn't...
If Free Staters don't want to get marginalized as some cultish group, it might help to keep the sexual abuse allegations to a minimum, or at least out of the public eye.
Politicians have people to keep this shit quiet for a reason.
I completely disagree. If we aim to have a free society, we must have a transparent society. Politicans have to keep these sort of things quiet because they want people to vote for them so that they can be in power and know that if people knew they were molesting their kids, sluts, stealing or abusing their horses, no one would vote for them. Since we (unlike most politicians) want a free society, we need to out these people so that we know not to interact with them. Screw those who would view the FSP as a cultish group---the fact that we openly discuss things things proves otherwise. A cult would keep it hush hush..
The most disturbing thing about the whole Ryan Marvin saga was hearing those people say that we should just forgive him because "he was such a good activist." Sure---annd Teddy Kennedy was a great American and senator, so who cares that he killed someone?
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Screw those who would view the FSP as a cultish group---the fact that we openly discuss things things proves otherwise.
It is a cultish group.
A cult would keep it hush hush...
Some try to keep it hush hush. Posts and threads have been know to vanish.
Can you find any of the drama on the Freestateproject.org website?
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Everyone has dirt, everyone.
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There's some drama developing on the Seacoast now and in the days to come. It could be huge and it will be recorded with video footage.
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It is a cultish group.
The cult of freedom?
A necessary but insufficient criterion.
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There's some drama developing on the Seacoast now and in the days to come. It could be huge and it will be recorded with video footage.
Am I going to have to subscribe to a website in order to see it?
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There's some drama developing on the Seacoast now and in the days to come. It could be huge and it will be recorded with video footage.
The gazebo thing?
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There's some drama developing on the Seacoast now and in the days to come. It could be huge and it will be recorded with video footage.
The gazebo thing?
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=16061.msg227866#msg227866
I wonder who this one wonderful individual from Keene is...
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There's some drama developing on the Seacoast now and in the days to come. It could be huge and it will be recorded with video footage.
The gazebo thing?
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=16061.msg227866#msg227866
I wonder who this one wonderful individual from Keene is...
Is maxoccupancy Julia and the other person Ian? I'm shooting in the dark here...I really have no idea.
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Everyone has dirt, everyone.
I kind of feel like putting mine up here, because it's part of what led me to liberty.
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There's some drama developing on the Seacoast now and in the days to come. It could be huge and it will be recorded with video footage.
The gazebo thing?
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=16061.msg227866#msg227866
I wonder who this one wonderful individual from Keene is...
Is maxoccupancy Julia and the other person Ian? I'm shooting in the dark here...I really have no idea.
max is a dick that acts like a zombie and looks like a psychopath and he doesn't like anyone dissing his little town of Seabrook. Max can go fuck a cactus.
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Arrests to happen today in Keene at 4:20 PM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1633.0
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Some try to keep it hush hush. Posts and threads have been know to vanish.
A practice I completely disagree with. Some people would rather "look good" than be honest, hence moving Ryan Marvin threads to participant-only boards and/or moving it to lesser read boards. Then there are all the secret threads on NHteaparty, but I guess that's a different matter all together...
Everyone has dirt, everyone.
I kind of feel like putting mine up here, because it's part of what led me to liberty.
Psh. It's not dirt if you admit it. Someone else has to talk about it, behind your back, preferably with a drink in hand. Don't you know how this works?
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Arrests to happen today in Keene at 4:20 PM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1633.0
how many haha
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none
http://freekeene.com/2009/09/24/good-times-at-420-in-keene-commons/ (http://freekeene.com/2009/09/24/good-times-at-420-in-keene-commons/)
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A practice I completely disagree with. Some people would rather "look good" than be honest, hence moving Ryan Marvin threads to participant-only boards and/or moving it to lesser read boards. Then there are all the secret threads on NHteaparty, but I guess that's a different matter all together...
Say it an't so Scoop.....nhteaparty would never have secret threads. :shock:
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Everyone has dirt, everyone.
I kind of feel like putting mine up here, because it's part of what led me to liberty.
Psh. It's not dirt if you admit it. Someone else has to talk about it, behind your back, preferably with a drink in hand. Don't you know how this works?
Gosh, I think sandm000 needs a refresher course......with MD in hand. he he he
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Everyone has dirt, everyone.
I kind of feel like putting mine up here, because it's part of what led me to liberty.
Psh. It's not dirt if you admit it. Someone else has to talk about it, behind your back, preferably with a drink in hand. Don't you know how this works?
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But if I don't tell you, you can only speculate. And if you speculate, you-know-where, with a you-know-what in your hand, then it qualifies, right?
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Learn how to quote.
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But if I don't tell you, you can only speculate. And if you speculate, you-know-where, with a you-know-what in your hand, then it qualifies, right?
Hmmm...I guess that might work.
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About arrests at Keene 420 event.
none
http://freekeene.com/2009/09/24/good-times-at-420-in-keene-commons/ (http://freekeene.com/2009/09/24/good-times-at-420-in-keene-commons/)
JJ:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1633.msg17601#msg17601
P411 from Rich Paul - Police indicate they are going to make arrests today
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Rich Paul cites no sources for this information. It could just be babbling by the police or mis-information through word of mouth.
If they do though, they're probably calling in state/county backup. It going to be interesting today.
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http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/09/26/news/local/free/doc4abe975083037294109157.txt
One arrested in Saturday's gathering on Central Square
Updated Saturday, Sept. 26, 6:30 p.m.
By Anika Clark
Sentinel Staff
Published: Saturday, September 26, 2009
One of the people involved in the ongoing protest for marijuana legalization in Keene’s Central Square was arrested Saturday afternoon.
Richard G. Paul, 40, was arrested for marijuana possession, after he blew smoke in a Keene police officer’s face, according to Keene police Lt. Shane C. Maxfield.
A public smoke-out has become a daily occurence in Central Square, where people light up at 4:20, a number associated with marijuana use.
Still, despite the theme of the protest and Paul’s arrest, several people interviewed said they weren’t actually smoking pot.
A man who wouldn’t identify himself puffed on a glass pipe as a police officer watched but later revealed it to be cherry-flavored tobacco.
Chaz Munro, 48, would neither confirm nor deny whether he’s been smoking marijuana downtown but described what he called “fakey bakey” — substances that look and smell like marijuana but aren’t.
So why protest pot prohibition by smoking something that isn’t?
“It’ll jam up the system,” Munro said. Hopefully, with regards to police enforcement, he added, “It will be more trouble than it’s worth.”
For the full story, see Sunday’s Sentinel.
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http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/09/26/news/local/free/doc4abe975083037294109157.txt
One arrested in Saturday's gathering on Central Square
Updated Saturday, Sept. 26, 6:30 p.m.
By Anika Clark
Sentinel Staff
Published: Saturday, September 26, 2009
One of the people involved in the ongoing protest for marijuana legalization in Keene’s Central Square was arrested Saturday afternoon.
Richard G. Paul, 40, was arrested for marijuana possession, after he blew smoke in a Keene police officer’s face, according to Keene police Lt. Shane C. Maxfield.
A public smoke-out has become a daily occurence in Central Square, where people light up at 4:20, a number associated with marijuana use.
Still, despite the theme of the protest and Paul’s arrest, several people interviewed said they weren’t actually smoking pot.
A man who wouldn’t identify himself puffed on a glass pipe as a police officer watched but later revealed it to be cherry-flavored tobacco.
Chaz Munro, 48, would neither confirm nor deny whether he’s been smoking marijuana downtown but described what he called “fakey bakey” — substances that look and smell like marijuana but aren’t.
So why protest pot prohibition by smoking something that isn’t?
“It’ll jam up the system,” Munro said. Hopefully, with regards to police enforcement, he added, “It will be more trouble than it’s worth.”
For the full story, see Sunday’s Sentinel.
Well now that is just fucking rude.
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If you're talking about arresting Rich, yes. If you're talking about blowing smoke in a cop's face, yes, that would also be rude.
But nobody has said they ever saw that happen. Maxfield wasn't there either.
[youtube=525,320]veffoSf4oW4[/youtube]
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Who's Maxfield?
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Who's Maxfield?
"Richard G. Paul, 40, was arrested for marijuana possession, after he blew smoke in a Keene police officer’s face, according to Keene police Lt. Shane C. Maxfield."
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He's a spokesman. He doesn't need to be there to do his job.
And you guys are going to be getting two more cops. The economic stimulus just gave you two more donut-eaters.
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Ryan Marvin
As far as we know, Ryan Marvin is a conman and not part of the FSP, nor was he ever part of the FSP.
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but he was such a great activist.......
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Never heard of him.
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You're lucky. He was really obnoxious.
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Probably turning tricks in NYC.
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Will Richard G. Paul be smoking weed again at protest today?
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Stolen property case continued for former Somersworth School Board member
By Jason Claffey Saturday, September 26, 2009
SOMERSWORTH — Former School Board member and failed state representative candidate Timothy Logsdon, facing charges he allegedly received a stolen pistol frame from Exeter-based gunmaker Sig Sauer, Inc., had his case continued until November during a hearing in Dover District Court Thursday.
Logsdon, already facing sexual assault charges alleging he committed incest against a minor, was arrested in March on two counts of receiving stolen property. Judge Stephen Roberts continued the case until November, citing potential testimony from a person now living in Montana.
Logsdon, a High Street resident, has lived in the city since 2002 and was formerly employed by the University of New Hampshire as a computer consultant.
In February, Logsdon was accused of sexually assaulting a minor who at that time was 5 years old. A plea and sentencing hearing on that matter is scheduled for Dec. 1 in Strafford County Superior Court.
In Sept. 2008, Logsdon was served a protective order by the Strafford County Sheriff's office. The order originated from the Columbia County Family Court in Hudson, N.Y. In accordance with the terms of the order, Somersworth police removed from Logsdon's home a number of weapons, including pistols, rifles, and shotguns.
From 2006-07, Logsdon served on the Somersworth School Board. In 2008, he was involved in a gathering signatures for a failed tax cap proposal for the city. He ran as a Republican candidate for District 2 state representative, but was not elected.
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Ryan Marvin
As far as we know, Ryan Marvin is a conman and not part of the FSP, nor was he ever part of the FSP.
I knew him as a free stater. He represented himself as a free stater and moved as part of the free state project. Therefore, Free Stater.
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Ryan Marvin
As far as we know, Ryan Marvin is a conman and not part of the FSP, nor was he ever part of the FSP.
I knew him as a free stater. He represented himself as a free stater and moved as part of the free state project. Therefore, Free Stater.
It's too bad that he lied to you and others. However, as far as I know, he never was a FSPer, just a conman.
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:roll:
The April 2009 edition of FSP news calls him a freestater:
http://www.freestateproject.org/node/17101
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# Same-sex marriage, HB436. Again, largely due to the work of a freestater, Ryan Marvin, founder of N.H. Coalition for Equal Rights and the N.H. chapter of Pink Pistols.
He is also listed as an FSP participant on the FSP forum:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5480
Name: ReverendRyan
Posts: 25 (0.033 per day)
Position: FSP Participant
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He is also listed as an FSP participant on the FSP forum
And that is only activated if you tie a membership to that forum account. He could have signed up under another name though.
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He is also listed as an FSP participant on the FSP forum
And that is only activated if you tie a membership to that forum account. He could have signed up under another name though.
Good point. I wonder what his real name is?
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He is also listed as an FSP participant on the FSP forum
And that is only activated if you tie a membership to that forum account. He could have signed up under another name though.
Good point. I wonder what his real name is?
Ryan Ihatemydaddy.
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I don't think it's fair to call Ryan a "con man"
It seems like he had some serious money issues, that led to (or were exacerbated by) some serious 'fessing-up-the-truth issues, but those things seem to really have affected only those people that (a) lived with him, and/or (b) lent him money. Meanwhile, as an activist, I thought he did a pretty darn good job, in terms of sign waves, talking to the politicians, talking to the media etc., etc.
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so much for principles. . . as long as you hold some signs you're cool. Maybe he should have just offed his roommates and held signs for longer or even ran for office.
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I don't think it's fair to call Ryan a "con man"
It seems like he had some serious money issues, that led to (or were exacerbated by) some serious 'fessing-up-the-truth issues, but those things seem to really have affected only those people that (a) lived with him, and/or (b) lent him money. Meanwhile, as an activist, I thought he did a pretty darn good job, in terms of sign waves, talking to the politicians, talking to the media etc., etc.
So, stealing someone's property and pawning it is OK as long as you protest? Sigh.
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I don't think it's fair to call Ryan a "con man"
It seems like he had some serious money issues, that led to (or were exacerbated by) some serious 'fessing-up-the-truth issues, but those things seem to really have affected only those people that (a) lived with him, and/or (b) lent him money. Meanwhile, as an activist, I thought he did a pretty darn good job, in terms of sign waves, talking to the politicians, talking to the media etc., etc.
Well, it's ok for your opinions to be wrong and stuff. He did the same thing in Texas, for your info. He stole 1000s in NH too. As an activists, I guess he was was good. However, if biggest thing, increasing state spending, was bad for liberty.
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However, if biggest thing, increasing state spending, was bad for liberty.
LOL.
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Everybody makes mistakes. Hooah.
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However, if biggest thing, increasing state spending, was bad for liberty.
LOL.
I'm sorry, but Ryan worked harder than any so called liberty lover in NH to increase the size of the NH government. At the same time, he stole and sold my Wii game!
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I'm sorry, but Ryan worked harder than any so called liberty lover in NH to increase the size of the NH government. At the same time, he stole and sold my Wii game!
Did you loan it to him?
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However, if biggest thing, increasing state spending, was bad for liberty.
LOL.
I'm sorry, but Ryan worked harder than any so called liberty lover in NH to increase the size of the NH government. At the same time, he stole and sold my Wii game!
You're just bitter.
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If you're talking about arresting Rich, yes. If you're talking about blowing smoke in a cop's face, yes, that would also be rude.
But nobody has said they ever saw that happen.
I heard Rich himself said he did it.
I also didn't know there were counter-protests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-4mHLo1viM
[youtube=425,350]l-4mHLo1viM[/youtube]
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I don't think it's fair to call Ryan a "con man"
It seems like he had some serious money issues, that led to (or were exacerbated by) some serious 'fessing-up-the-truth issues, but those things seem to really have affected only those people that (a) lived with him, and/or (b) lent him money. Meanwhile, as an activist, I thought he did a pretty darn good job, in terms of sign waves, talking to the politicians, talking to the media etc., etc.
It's not fair to call him a con man, but he lied to get money and stole money? Exploiting human emotions to gain a monetary advantage is the definition of a con man, or would you rather call him thief?
Meanwhile, would you have paid him to be an activist if he had asked for money?
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Hmmmm... I didn't know about some of this stuff... I guess I didn't know him too well!
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Hmmmm... I didn't know about some of this stuff... I guess I didn't know him too well!
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I don't think it's fair to call Ryan a "con man"
It seems like he had some serious money issues, that led to (or were exacerbated by) some serious 'fessing-up-the-truth issues, but those things seem to really have affected only those people that (a) lived with him, and/or (b) lent him money. Meanwhile, as an activist, I thought he did a pretty darn good job, in terms of sign waves, talking to the politicians, talking to the media etc., etc.
I'm OK with conman....but if slime ball works better for you, I'm OK with that as well. He is a conman in the sense that he cons people into thinking he is something he is not. He repeatedly told his roommates that he was doing one thing when he was doing another. He took their money to pay bill and didn't pay them.....and took more than the bills even were so that he was actually profiting from it.
Being an good activist in my opinion does not give you an out to be a slime ball.
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Being an good activist in my opinion does not give you an out to be a slime ball.
People can be a slime ball in many different ways...
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Being a slime ball is no excuse for stealing. You can lie about who you are and risk your own credibility which is stupid. But he had a verbal agreement right? He accepted someones money as payment then broke the agreement. He took the money and didn't deliver. Isn't that in effect stealing?
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You guys are just racist against gays.
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You guys are just racist against gays.
Being gay is a race?
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You guys are just racist against gays.
Being gay is a race?
It's as much as race as being black or white, since there aren't separate human races.
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You guys are just racist against gays.
Being gay is a race?
It's as much as race as being black or white, since there aren't separate human races.
In after.
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You guys are just racist against gays.
Being gay is a race?
It's as much as race as being black or white, since there aren't separate human races.
Scientifically speaking I think the concept is rejected as far as categorizing humans but politically and socially it's not. Race is still seen as a categorization of people based on mostly visual heritable traits. You could argue that being gay is genetic or not. Doesn't really matter. Saying someone is racist against gays just sounds funny to me. Racism is usually tied to people of skin color regardless but not of actions.
"Homophobia (from Greek homós: one and the same; phóbos: fear, phobia) is defined as an 'irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals'"
Wiki says that but to me it sounds weird too since I thought phobia was just an irrational fear. And I'm starting to realize I'm so bored at work that I'm spending time on labels when I really don't give a shit.
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Race was not a positive term. It was created to justify hurt of people in one culture to people in another culture. It is often still used for that, although some people are confused and think they are using race for positive things, nowadays.
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Race was not a positive term. It was created to justify hurt of people in one culture to people in another culture. It is often still used for that, although some people are confused and think they are using race for positive things, nowadays.
The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
It is ok to care and inquire as to other's culture of course, so as to be respectful.
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As far as it's history I have no idea how it was created. I just call shit as I see it in today's society. Just like libertarian became a fucked up label. Anarchy/Anarchist sounds bad to public as well. Free Marketeer not many people know. Anarcho-Capitalist isn't very wide spread either. Did words start off with a certain meaning? Don't definitions change over generations. Fuck, faggot, bitch, etc. None of it really matters I guess. People love to get technical over a mainstream pretence. Still doesn't change widely accepted views or notions.
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Race was not a positive term. It was created to justify hurt of people in one culture to people in another culture. It is often still used for that, although some people are confused and think they are using race for positive things, nowadays.
The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
It is ok to care and inquire as to other's culture of course, so as to be respectful.
I don't really care it's not like I view any "race" inferior or "alien". Everyone is human regardless of ethnicity or cultural background. Anyone should be free to enjoy what makes them unique. Call it race or anything you want.
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Some races have a higher likelihood of cholesterol and heart disease. Probably a result of the socioeconomic conditions of the last few generations, and their habits with diet and medical care.
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Depends on the issue and the doctor. Statsitics show for example that black people have a much higher rate of heart disease than white people. Now whether that is a cultural thing (stereotype that they like fried chicken) or a race thing is not revealed by those statistics.
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"Blacks actually have higher rates of heart disease and this is well known by doctors. Yet, the black men were treated less than the white men were."
Maybe in the end it doesn't matter.....
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Nothing. That would be impossible, since the races are a made up concept set to pit people against each other.
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Heart disease aside, other examples are out there. Now I'm no medical professional, but so far as I generally know (and with a little Google help):
Certain races get growth spurts as a child or develop at a faster or slower rate. Doctors (especially pediatricians) need to know race background to provide additional factors in determining whether a child is developing properly. I would assume this sort of thing is especially important if the child is adopted and the charts and bodily characteristics of the child cannot be directly compared to the birth parents.
Certain races are more susceptible to certain genetic factors which should be especially looked out for: Africans getting sickle cell anemia, Eskimo and tuberculosis, Diabetes in Asian Indians etc. East Asians may not need as high doses of medication as other races, whereas some races may need more. Some races are also less likely to get certain things and that should also help a doctor in his/her diagnosis.
It is the same as checking women for breast cancer more than in men. That's not sexist, they are just more predisposed to get it.
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Nothing. That would be impossible, since the races are a made up concept set to pit people against each other.
DERE IS NO SCHPOON
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"I think racial classifications have been useful to us," said Dr. Alan Rogers, a population geneticist and professor of
anthropology at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. "We may believe that most differences between races are
superficial, but the differences are there, and they are informative about the origins and migrations of our species."
"Race is a social concept, not a scientific one," said Dr. J. Craig Venter, head of the Celera Genomics Corporation in Rockville, Md.
"If you ask what percentage of your genes is reflected in your external appearance, the basis by which we talk about
race, the answer seems to be in the range of .01 percent," said Dr. Harold P. Freeman, the chief executive, president
and director of surgery at North General Hospital in Manhattan, who has studied the issue of biology and race. "This is
a very, very minimal reflection of your genetic makeup."
He says .01 is very very minimal but then again a chimanzee is off by 1%...
Eggs are good - Eggs are bad. They're good. Bad. Y2K AGHHH! 2012!!!!!!! Global warming is real! Global warming is fake!!!!
DEATH IS CERTAIN! LIFE IS NOT!
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The tough part for me, is that I agree with all three of those people you quoted. And I agree with Kieth that race typically only serves to pit one against another.
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The tough part for me, is that I agree with all three of those people you quoted. And I agree with Kieth that race typically only serves to pit one against another.
Maybe so. Maybe that is or was the intent to pit them together. Just like my idk the politically correct term anymore "african-american" friend greets me with "what up my nigger" or sometime he pronounces it "niggah". Although for him to be technically correct he'd have to use "beaner" or "wetback". People get too sensitive with terms. We all have things that makes us different and we'll always have different labels categorizing us. It doesn't have to serve us as a term meant to pit us against each other. I've never heard race itself in a sentence that was negative unless the term was racist to define that persons belief.
It's funny right? Agreeing with conflicting views from doctors.
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
The Jews get the Tay-Sachs disease (http://www.mazornet.com/genetics/tay-sachs.htm). The gays get the AIDS.
Both infantile and adult forms of Tay-Sachs Disease occur more frequently, though not exclusively, in a defined population. A person's chances of being a Tay-Sachs Disease carrier are significantly higher if he or she is of eastern European (Ashkenazi) Jewish descent. Approximately one in every 27 Jews in the United States is a carrier of the Tay-Sachs Disease gene. There is also a noticeable incidence of Tay-Sachs Disease in non-Jewish French Canadians living near the St. Lawrence River and in the Cajun community of Louisiana. By contrast, the carrier rate in the general population as well as in Jews of Sephardic origin is about one in 250.
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Black folks deal with a lot of Sickle Cell Anemia (genetic), which is very rare in white folks.
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Updating you all on the Candia-Heidi Frederick issue: we were informed she is entering a plea and the trial will be cancelled.
http://discus.equinesite.net/discus/messages/5/26959.html?1254273933
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=194174&page=46&highlight=candia
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Heart disease aside, other examples are out there. Now I'm no medical professional, but so far as I generally know (and with a little Google help):
Certain races get growth spurts as a child or develop at a faster or slower rate. Doctors (especially pediatricians) need to know race background to provide additional factors in determining whether a child is developing properly. I would assume this sort of thing is especially important if the child is adopted and the charts and bodily characteristics of the child cannot be directly compared to the birth parents.
Certain races are more susceptible to certain genetic factors which should be especially looked out for: Africans getting sickle cell anemia, Eskimo and tuberculosis, Diabetes in Asian Indians etc. East Asians may not need as high doses of medication as other races, whereas some races may need more. Some races are also less likely to get certain things and that should also help a doctor in his/her diagnosis.
It is the same as checking women for breast cancer more than in men. That's not sexist, they are just more predisposed to get it.
Good thing I have experience as a medical professional. Actually, there are no races so everything you said is wrong.
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Eggs are good - Eggs are bad. They're good. Bad. Y2K AGHHH! 2012!!!!!!! Global warming is real! Global warming is fake!!!!
Chicken eggs are very healthy if you are not allergic to them and the chickens are range fed.
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The tough part for me, is that I agree with all three of those people you quoted. And I agree with Kieth that race typically only serves to pit one against another.
Not only does race serve to divide people, but that is the main reason the concept was even created.
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The tough part for me, is that I agree with all three of those people you quoted. And I agree with Kieth that race typically only serves to pit one against another.
But only does race serve to divide people, but that is the main reason the concept was even created.
bullshit.
Maybe the concept was invented to describe something people observed, that other people were different.
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The concept was first emphasized in the West by people of a European background to justify harsh treatment of people from an Africa background.
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Heart disease aside, other examples are out there. Now I'm no medical professional, but so far as I generally know (and with a little Google help):
Certain races get growth spurts as a child or develop at a faster or slower rate. Doctors (especially pediatricians) need to know race background to provide additional factors in determining whether a child is developing properly. I would assume this sort of thing is especially important if the child is adopted and the charts and bodily characteristics of the child cannot be directly compared to the birth parents.
Certain races are more susceptible to certain genetic factors which should be especially looked out for: Africans getting sickle cell anemia, Eskimo and tuberculosis, Diabetes in Asian Indians etc. East Asians may not need as high doses of medication as other races, whereas some races may need more. Some races are also less likely to get certain things and that should also help a doctor in his/her diagnosis.
It is the same as checking women for breast cancer more than in men. That's not sexist, they are just more predisposed to get it.
Good thing I have experience as a medical professional. Actually, there are no races so everything you said is wrong.
I give all these examples and that's all you got? Clearly there are races. Would it be better if we switched the phrase with breed? There are different breeds of people.
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Heart disease aside, other examples are out there. Now I'm no medical professional, but so far as I generally know (and with a little Google help):
Certain races get growth spurts as a child or develop at a faster or slower rate. Doctors (especially pediatricians) need to know race background to provide additional factors in determining whether a child is developing properly. I would assume this sort of thing is especially important if the child is adopted and the charts and bodily characteristics of the child cannot be directly compared to the birth parents.
Certain races are more susceptible to certain genetic factors which should be especially looked out for: Africans getting sickle cell anemia, Eskimo and tuberculosis, Diabetes in Asian Indians etc. East Asians may not need as high doses of medication as other races, whereas some races may need more. Some races are also less likely to get certain things and that should also help a doctor in his/her diagnosis.
It is the same as checking women for breast cancer more than in men. That's not sexist, they are just more predisposed to get it.
Good thing I have experience as a medical professional. Actually, there are no races so everything you said is wrong.
I give all these examples and that's all you got? Clearly there are races. Would it be better if we switched the phrase with breed? There are different breeds of people.
No. You can make up all you want. Most scientists don't believe in races, now do I, as an expert. Continue to make up whatever you want and I will dispel the myths.
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Expert? What the fuck made you into an expert? Because you were a fucking medic in the army?
What evidence have you provided? Some mealy mouthed PC bullshit about not seeing color?
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The part about eggs being healthy as long as you're not allergic to them made me chortle.
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Expert? What the fuck made you into an expert? Because you were a fucking medic in the army?
What evidence have you provided? Some mealy mouthed PC bullshit about not seeing color?
Exactly. You cannot just ignore it, race exists. You have dispelled none of what I said as myth. None. In fact, you didnt even attempt to.
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race only exists in your mind. It's just a concept. To that end, race exists. Humans use the easiest way possible to categorize themselves. What could be easier than looking at someone.
all that said, it's time for people to move past skin tones. People that take race into account when dealing with people are people I choose not to deal with if I can help it.
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Heart disease aside, other examples are out there. Now I'm no medical professional, but so far as I generally know (and with a little Google help):
Certain races get growth spurts as a child or develop at a faster or slower rate. Doctors (especially pediatricians) need to know race background to provide additional factors in determining whether a child is developing properly. I would assume this sort of thing is especially important if the child is adopted and the charts and bodily characteristics of the child cannot be directly compared to the birth parents.
Certain races are more susceptible to certain genetic factors which should be especially looked out for: Africans getting sickle cell anemia, Eskimo and tuberculosis, Diabetes in Asian Indians etc. East Asians may not need as high doses of medication as other races, whereas some races may need more. Some races are also less likely to get certain things and that should also help a doctor in his/her diagnosis.
It is the same as checking women for breast cancer more than in men. That's not sexist, they are just more predisposed to get it.
Good thing I have experience as a medical professional. Actually, there are no races so everything you said is wrong.
If there are no such things as races why are we talking about it? Why don't we just talk about "temperature" or maybe "ethnicity" cuz that is real right?
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race only exists in your mind. It's just a concept. To that end, race exists. Humans use the easiest way possible to categorize themselves. What could be easier than looking at someone.
all that said, it's time for people to move past skin tones. People that take race into account when dealing with people are people I choose not to deal with if I can help it.
See my post on medical professionals "taking race into account."
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Why don't we just talk about "temperature" or maybe "ethnicity" cuz that is real right?
Yes, the concept of ethnic groups is legitimate.
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Why don't we just talk about "temperature" or maybe "ethnicity" cuz that is real right?
Yes, the concept of ethnic groups is legitimate.
Ethnicity is another word for race and is absolutely used interchangeably in our language.
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but ethnicity is also a social construct. It has as much validity as race.
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The only person who should care about your race is your doctor, for medical purposes.
What medical purposes depend on race?
Nothing. That would be impossible, since the races are a made up concept set to pit people against each other.
WTF is this extreme PC nonsense. There are certain medical conditions that are far more prevalent along racial lines. For instance, Lupus tends to travel along Mediterranean racial lines. Jews tend to be affected by it more then Scandinavians. A good doctor will ask a patients race during a diagnosis.
Then there are also diseases that affect only certain races. Like cycle cell anemia (I think).
Race is real and is not the white man created boogey man that the college "educated" modern metropolitans have been brain washed into believing it is.
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but ethnicity is also a social construct. It has as much validity as race.
Nigger.
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but ethnicity is also a social construct. It has as much validity as race.
Yes, but it has important uses. The term races was applied to humans for destructive purposes. Ethnicity, on the other hand, may be based on scientific evidence and wasn't meant mostly to cause harm to others, as race was. It may also be helpful when treating people with diseases or health conditions, for example. Davann seems to be highly confused about what race is. However, some of the good things he seems to connect to race, are much better connected to ethnicity.
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1. (noun) ethnicity
an ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties
Same fuckin difference so who the fuck cares? You white caucasian trailer trash cracker.
This isn't sensitivity training and I don't feel any harm when using race which has the same fuckin meaning as ethnicity.
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So I guess there is no such thing as a racist.
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So I guess there is no such thing as a racist.
selective sociopath?
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but ethnicity is also a social construct. It has as much validity as race.
Davann seems to be highly confused about what race is. However, some of the good things he seems to connect to race, are much better connected to ethnicity.
You say "garage", I say "car hole".
Ethnicity and race are interchangeable in my non PC vernacular.
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Good god, I am in the Libertarianism and Racism thread or the drama thread? Lighten up, people!
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[quote author=Hideaki link=topic=20199.msg567384#msg567384
This isn't sensitivity training and I don't feel any harm when using race which has the same fuckin meaning as ethnicity.
[/quote]
Feel free to consider a useful term the same as a term of hatred if you want. One of the terms is based on science, and the other is nonsense when applied to humans.
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This isn't sensitivity training and I don't feel any harm when using race which has the same fuckin meaning as ethnicity.
Feel free to consider a useful term the same as a term of hatred if you want. One of the terms is based on science, and the other is nonsense when applied to humans.
Race and ethnicity both represent social or cultural constructs for categorizing people based on perceived differences
in physical appearance and behavior. They are primarily social rather than biological phenomena.
I don't see what the big deal is or what's so hard to understand. They are one in the same just labels period. If the
intent for race had hatred behind it I don't see how it was very effective.
If you had to fill a form for the doctor whats the difference if it asked for race or ethnicity? Did anything change?
Can you feel the hate? Sticks and stones....
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If you had to fill a form for the doctor whats the difference if it asked for race or ethnicity? Did anything change?
Can you feel the hate? Sticks and stones....
Race isn't based on science as there are not human races, according to science.
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If you had to fill a form for the doctor whats the difference if it asked for race or ethnicity? Did anything change?
Can you feel the hate? Sticks and stones....
Race isn't based on science as there are not human races, according to science.
so what? what does science have to do with social constructs?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)
According to forensic anthropologist George W. Gill, "race denial" not only contradicts biological evidence, but may stem from "politically motivated censorship" in the belief that "race promotes racism".
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so what? what does science have to do with social constructs?
People tried to put science behind race to make it seem more legitimate. That way more harm could be done and based on race.
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so what? what does science have to do with social constructs?
People tried to put science behind race to make it seem more legitimate. That way more harm could be done and based on race.
A lot of harm was done based on religion (oh look another label with categories) and I'm pretty sure they don't put science behind it.
Race is not a word of hatred in todays society just like enthnicity or cultural background. Maybe in the past it was used to try and say
one person is the "superior" race but it could have been changed to use "superior" ethnic group as well. Actually if as you claim ethnicity
is based off of science while race isn't then they should have just used that term and save whoever tried to adopt the word out of hatred
a lot of trouble.
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Just in case anyone wants to be updated with the latest information:
[blockquote]
Source: EllisCountyPress.com
Warrants re-called on former new editor
MEGAN GRAY
The Ellis County Press
DALLAS COUNTY – Former Ellis County Press news editor, Joey Dauben, arrested Monday, Sept. 14 at his home in Plymouth, NH for allegedly posting internal information from a police computer he received via an anonymous e-mail for his blog , could be seeing home again very soon.
“Dallas County has recalled Dauben’s warrants for engaging in organized criminal activity, obstruction or retaliation and misuse of official information,” said defense attorney Rodney Ramsey.
The intake division rejected all warrants for his arrests last Friday, Sept. 18
Dauben, 28, publisher of the Ellis County Observer blog, was released from the Grafton County Jail in North Havervill, NH this afternoon.
Michael Meissner, former police chief in Bardwell, has been released from Lew Sterrett in Dallas and dropped of all charges in connection with Dauben.
According to the warrants division in Tarrant County, warrants for Meissner haven't been issued since 2005 despite the three released to the media by Combine Police Department in relation to child pornography.
http://www.elliscountypress.com
[/blockquote]
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back on topic
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Good god, I am in the Libertarianism and Racism thread or the drama thread? Lighten up, people!
I agree.....no debating.....just post some good, juicy drama already!
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Warrants re-called on former new editor
Shit.
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Should I spill the beans about my torrid escapades?
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Should I spill the beans about my torrid escapades?
Nobody wants to hear how many brown people you killed.
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they were not brown. More of a light tan.
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So Joey left NH. I asked him why, he didn't answer.
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So Joey left NH. I asked him why, he didn't answer.
Yay!
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When?
Wasn't he in school?
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Has anyone come on this thread yet, and then found out some drama about themselves? Like, they look on here and read an article about themselves and the warrants out for themselves, and then realize that they were not aware of that fact...
:oops: 8)
Who's joey?
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http://www.facebook.com/jdauben
http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/?p=8678
I want to express my deep gratitude to my friends, family, supporters and readers who called, prayed, visited, wrote letters and e-mails, posted on my Facebook Wall and who held out hope that my situation would pan out the right way.
I am now back in Ellis County. I re-registered to vote here as well. As much as I loved my New Hampshire experience, my heart is here in Ellis County.
I really can’t thank everyone enough for the hundreds of phone calls to the Grafton County jail and the letters sent and the calls sent to my parents and supporters.
Even those who are posting and have posted comments since my arrest two weeks ago, I appreciate it all.
When the time is right, my lawyers will allow me to give a fully detailed statement on the entire ordeal, but right now, I am going to refrain from saying anything other than “Thank You.”
I appreciate it all, I really do. It’s truly a humbling experience, and since getting back to Ellis County yesterday, I’ve had so many meetings with friends and reunions with family and others.
So, with that said, please refrain from swear/curse words, as a new policy will now prohibit that language on this blog, and in the comments.
Thanks again, everyone. It’s good to be home. And it’s better that I’m free!
Joey G. Dauben
Publisher
The Ellis County Observer
The Plymouth Review
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what did that dickweed do?
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what did that dickweed do?
Threatened a cop. It's an NH tradition
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I think he found Jesus.
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Got into a flamewar with a cop.
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what did that dickweed do?
Threatened a cop. It's an NH tradition
I'd like to meet an NH cop on foot. So I could threaten him... with a hug.
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Kurt Hoffman got 180 days for contempt.
http://freekeene.com/2009/10/02/raw-videos-activist-curt-hoffman-arrested-for-contempt-of-court-ems-camera-crackdown-theft/
audio:
http://freekeene.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/KurtContempt.mp3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIAxiaD54vU
[youtube=425,350]WIAxiaD54vU[/youtube]
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Is there a clip that shows what he did to be charged?
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Is there a clip that shows what he did to be charged?
A clip of audio.
Let me post it for you, again.
http://freekeene.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/KurtContempt.mp3
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I guess Judge Burke likes this sort of thing. Same with Lance and fat Eli.
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What did Kurk do for work when he was making $500,000 a year?
And why doesn't he still have money if he was making that much?
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Is there a clip that shows what he did to be charged?
A clip of audio.
Let me post it for you, again.
http://freekeene.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/KurtContempt.mp3
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Is there a clip that shows what he did to be charged?
A clip of audio.
Let me post it for you, again.
http://freekeene.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/KurtContempt.mp3
UR doing it wrong.
If you want to ask for video, ask for video.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/show
show
–verb (used with object)
1. to cause or allow to be seen; exhibit; display.
2. to present or perform as a public entertainment or spectacle: to show a movie.
3. to indicate; point out: to show the way.
4. to guide, escort, or usher: He showed me to my room. Show her in.
5. to explain or make clear; make known: He showed what he meant.
6. to make known to; inform, instruct, or prove to: I'll show you what I mean.
7. to prove; demonstrate: His experiment showed the falsity of the theory.
8. to indicate, register, or mark: The thermometer showed 10 below zero.
9. to exhibit or offer for sale: to show a house.
10. to allege, as in a legal document; plead, as a reason or cause.
11. to produce, as facts in an affidavit or at a hearing.
12. to express or make evident by appearance, behavior, speech, etc.: to show one's feelings.
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I think his intended meaning is pretty obvious but since it matters is there any video that shows before the fact instead of after?
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6 months, that's a lot of taxpayer money.
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The one trial I decide not to motion to record. I fail.
All I had was a crappy recorder on my pocket PC.
I fail.
I wouldn't believe Kurt's stories about previous jobs.
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I wouldn't believe Kurt's stories...
This.
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now this is what I call drama
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I wouldn't believe Kurt's stories...
This.
Why not?
Should I believe the part when he says he is in pain?
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he was selling his mercedes benz, so what. .. Manny Ramirez was trying to sell his grill a few years back and he's friggin loaded. :lol:
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Is there a clip that shows what he did to be charged?
A clip of audio.
Let me post it for you, again.
http://freekeene.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/KurtContempt.mp3
UR doing it wrong.
If you want to ask for video, ask for video.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/show
show
–verb (used with object)
1. to cause or allow to be seen; exhibit; display.
2. to present or perform as a public entertainment or spectacle: to show a movie.
3. to indicate; point out: to show the way.
4. to guide, escort, or usher: He showed me to my room. Show her in.
5. to explain or make clear; make known: He showed what he meant.
6. to make known to; inform, instruct, or prove to: I'll show you what I mean.
7. to prove; demonstrate: His experiment showed the falsity of the theory.
8. to indicate, register, or mark: The thermometer showed 10 below zero.
9. to exhibit or offer for sale: to show a house.
10. to allege, as in a legal document; plead, as a reason or cause.
11. to produce, as facts in an affidavit or at a hearing.
12. to express or make evident by appearance, behavior, speech, etc.: to show one's feelings.
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If you see it visually you also percieve it mentally. So I guess you could argue the end result is a mental
understanding despite the channel of communication. Which equals a misunderstanding regardless since
that was his intention.
I'll take care of you.
To a romantic - could mean i will make you happy forever
To a psycho - could mean You will suffer horribly for my pleasure
To a lawyer - could mean i will become wealthy indeed
To a Correctional Officer- I dread to think
I know not exactly the same thing but my drunk ass laughed.
see1 /si/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [see] Show IPA verb, saw, seen, see⋅ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to perceive with the eyes; look at.
2. to view; visit or attend as a spectator: to see a play.
3. to perceive by means of computer vision.
4. to scan or view, esp. by electronic means: The satellite can see the entire southern half of the country.
5. to perceive (things) mentally; discern; understand: to see the point of an argument.
6. to construct a mental image of; visualize: He still saw his father as he was 25 years ago.
7. to accept or imagine or suppose as acceptable: I can't see him as president.
8. to be cognizant of; recognize: to see the good in others; to see where the mistake is.
9. to foresee: He could see war ahead.
10. to ascertain, learn, or find out: See who is at the door.
11. to have knowledge or experience of: to see service in the foreign corps.
12. to make sure: See that the work is done.
13. to meet and converse with: Are you seeing her at lunch today?
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I wouldn't believe Kurt's stories...
This.
Why not?
Should I believe the part when he says he is in pain?
Lie on your floor on your back like Kurt was, your hands behind your back. Can you sit up? Can you roll over?
There's no reason he had to let himself stay in pain.
Kurt exaggerates, plays things up, yells at cops, yells at judges. I love him, but his credibility is low.
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Well, Kurt is good for drama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Iq7UrdN2o
[youtube=425,350]a_Iq7UrdN2o[/youtube]
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lol
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Well, Kurt is good for drama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Iq7UrdN2o
Do you have an audio only clip of this you can post for me?
heehee..
The last minute of the vid is good. Good stuff Ian.
If Kurt is being a phony then everyone in the scene up there just lost a lot of credibility.
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If Kurt is being a phony then everyone in the scene up there just lost a lot of credibility.
Because the rest of us are judged on Kurt's truth-telling?
Kay.
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If Kurt is being a phony then everyone in the scene up there just lost a lot of credibility.
Because the rest of us are judged on Kurt's truth-telling?
Kay.
Yes. Most people who watch this vid are going to assume that anyone associated with/in defense of Kurt are all in it together. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter much because the casual viewer isn't going to dig any deeper to learn the facts.
Mindless over-the-top drama isn't good for the credibility of any scene.
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The video makes it clear that the cops and fire department don't take any of the activists seriously, they are laughing at them having tantrums and playing games with them by stealing Ian's camera.
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Kurt is the guy who bought Kat's place in Keene, right?
What didn't Kurt do for Kat?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18528.msg302406#msg302406
Russell:
So far Lumpy/Kurt ... has not done what he needed to for Kat in Keene. We shall see.
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The video makes it clear that the cops and fire department don't take any of the activists seriously, they are laughing at them having tantrums and playing games with them by stealing Ian's camera.
I still cannot believe they stole his blackberry. He should have taken an oxygen tank or something in return :P
Really though, wtf.
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Facebook drama..."Dale Everett
is removing Matt Simon from my friend list per his request. Agreeing to disagree is not acceptable apparently and "live and let live" is not part of his philosophy. His friendship is contingent on treating him as an authority figure and obeying and those are just not acceptable conditions for me."
I'm guessing it's related to the fact that NHCommonSense has been working its butt off to pass medical marijuana and to NOT even discuss decrim this year (because then the legislators always fear it will lead to that and won't pass it) and then those yahoos decide to make it an issue just as we're working to get the votes to override the vetoes in the Senate.
At least, that's what I'm guessing. If anyone else knows better, they can correct me.
Seriously, couldn't they have waited til after the veto override?
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Ah..Dale posted more:
"Dale Everett
Not an "order" but an ultimatum. If you don't obey it then you're not his friend:
(1) If you continue to smoke pot and celebrate recreational pot use in public between now and Oct. 28, please don't ever speak to me again as if you are my friend, and please un-friend me if you are my Facebook friend."
Yep, it's related to veto override.
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So where do you stand on the issue thescoop?
I celebrate recreational usage, but don't use it myself.
are you with the 4:20 or are you with the veto?
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You politickers will just never understand that some people will choose to live free or die no matter if they have the permission from nanny government or not.
I think it's sad that you'd blame people like Dale if the veto override didn't happen, instead of the evil people making the laws to begin with.
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I'd have a slight change of political strategy.
I would first make it known that if the swing votes do not vote to override the veto, they will have a very tough time getting elected to any office. As I understand it, the reason they might not vote for this is fear of their upcoming elections for other offices.
I would then make it known that if they do not vote for this one now, the one that will get put into law will be far more radical.
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there oughta be a law...
RAD
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I'd have a slight change of political strategy.
I would first make it known that if the swing votes do not vote to override the veto, they will have a very tough time getting elected to any office. As I understand it, the reason they might not vote for this is fear of their upcoming elections for other offices.
I would then make it known that if they do not vote for this one now, the one that will get put into law will be far more radical.
Except that is medical can't get passed into law, I highly doubt a decrim bill will.
The 420 crowd might be making some sort of message but I agree that it would have been nice to have not undermined what someone else is trying to accomplish - that will actually help sick and dying patients. I would say that the park is not the appropriate place either....they should be on the state house steps.....not someplace where someone might want to bring their kids to play.
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So where do you stand on the issue thescoop?
I celebrate recreational usage, but don't use it myself.
are you with the 4:20 or are you with the veto?
I don't see why it has to be either or. I'm the treasurer of NH Common Sense, so obviously I think that the veto override is right now the top priority. The most important thing right now is making sure that those who need to use marijuana due to chronic illness have access to it.
If we were working towards a decrim bill, then I think the 4:20 protests would be more on target: they would raise awareness and help some normalize marijuana usage. At the moment, they really aren't doing much to help medical marijuana and are probably going to make it much more difficult to get a senator to change his or her vote. It's also 100% guaranteed that the 4:20 protests aren't going cause the end of marijuana prohibition. So, it seems to me at the moment that the only thing they're going to accomplish is putting a few people in jail.
I'm beginning to wonder if they have imprisonment punchards in Keene: After 10 arrests, you get your own pair of custom handcuffs?
You politickers will just never understand that some people will choose to live free or die no matter if they have the permission from nanny government or not.
And their well within their rights. They can do what they want. But if what they do is against the law, then they're going to be arrested. Some would say being arrested makes it mighty hard to live free. I would say that if you have silly laws, it makes sense to change or get rid of the law instead of continuously breaking it and hope you don't get arrested.
I think it's sad that you'd blame people like Dale if the veto override didn't happen, instead of the evil people making the laws to begin with.
Never said I'd blame Dale; the only thing I said is that the 420 protest are going to make it more difficult to make the veto override happen and it'd be nice if they'd wait til after the veto override to protest for decrim.
I have to say I am curious as to what the other points in "Matt's Ultimatum" were. Dale only quoted point number 1.
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Hmmm. If you were friends with this Matt dude and saw that he ditched a friend based on his political actions...I wonder if it would make you wonder if your own friendship with him is as strong as previously thought.
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...not someplace where someone might want to bring their kids to play.
It's an historic Park. Kids could play with a bench or closed down fountain. It doesn't have a jungle gym or anything. Anyway, people do bring their kids to pay, even at 4:20 p.m.
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Hmmm. If you were friends with this Matt dude and saw that he ditched a friend based on his political actions...I wonder if it would make you wonder if your own friendship with him is as strong as previously thought.
I was gonna add, if this is the sort of little thing that ruins your friendship withsome one then your friendship might not have been all that great in the first place, but I don't really think Matt and Dale were all that "tight" anyway.
And any real friend of Matt's would understand how important this bill passing is to him and how hard he has worked on it and would not do anything that might hurt its passage.
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And any real friend of Matt's would understand how important this bill passing is to him and how hard he has worked on it and would not do anything that might hurt its passage.
And that Matt is a dick.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19264.0
Okay, Rocketman is back on NHFree to make a few comments...
I am not, as some might expect, going to scream and yell and issue a cease-and-desist order. I am just going to state a few facts, and I'm going to make two simple requests.
(1) The patients who have been advocating all year for HB 648 are furious that this is happening, considering that the final vote on the medical marijuana bill is coming up Oct. 28. Some want to come down and get in your faces, and some probably will if you don't stop. Interesting choice of enemies, isn't it?
(2) Thousands of man-hours and many thousands of dollars have been spent in NH this year to try and pass a law that would protect these patients. Unlike the 420 protesters, many of these people are elderly and don't have access to marijuana.
(3) I recognize that some people here don't give a shit if the bill passes or fails... that they've said as much... that in fact, some people here actually want activists like me to fail, so new activists will not be attracted to inside-the-system activism.
(4) I also recognize that some of the 420 protesters had no idea their efforts might interfere with the medical marijuana effort, and that they are truly sorry. (It's okay guys, I don't blame you for getting caught up in the publicity wave.)
(5) Some of you might insist that these protests have no relevance to the medical marijuana effort. Well, perception is everything in politics, and here's the perception that made its way into today's Union-Leader:
http://unionleader.com/columns.aspx/Opinion?channel=7c9a9ec6-5e82-421b-bbe7-a01f2b796103
One wild card for the day is the marijuana bill, not so much for how it will turn out, but who will turn out. Since the veto, the center of Keene went into a blue haze over the past couple of weeks over a proposed local decriminalization ordinance. A lot of the people passing the pipe in Keene are students who could easily decide to visit Concord on Oct. 28 just to make a point.
Cancer patients and their families who backed the bill are a dedicated lot who have been on hand for key votes before, and are angry over the veto and could also turn out.
MY REQUESTS:
(1) If you continue to smoke pot and celebrate recreational pot use in public between now and Oct. 28, please don't ever speak to me again as if you are my friend, and please un-friend me if you are my Facebook friend. I can respect individuals with differing ideologies and different strategies for achieving liberty, but if you don't have any respect for what these patients are fighting for (i.e. their lives), then you are just an asshole. After Oct. 28, do whatever you think makes sense.
(Again, this is not a cease-and-desist order -- I just want to know who my friends are.)
(2) There will be a rally at the state house Oct. 28 for patients, legislators, and supporters. If anybody tries to hijack this event with a mixed message, that person will be crowned "Asshole of the Year."
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...not someplace where someone might want to bring their kids to play.
It's an historic Park. Kids could play with a bench or closed down fountain. It doesn't have a jungle gym or anything. Anyway, people do bring their kids to pay, even at 4:20 p.m.
right, like the fucking kids are going to grow a third arm. Civil war statues and other military fellatio, just fine. . . someone smoking weed. . . oh noes.
stfu. Take your kids to Chuck E. Cheese you cheap piece of shit.
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Its a public park so the inconvenience factor is utter BS.
As to the politicians who are changing their votes based on the activism? I bet they were just absolutely looking for an excuse, and now they found a suitable one. I say onward ho! This is having a significant effect, and if you stop now it may not be so easy to start again.
(http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Anarchist-black-flag.png)Keep up the good work!
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Well, Kurt is good for drama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Iq7UrdN2o
Are you kidding me? Sam was way more dramatic in the video above
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I have to say I am curious as to what the other points in "Matt's Ultimatum" were.
Big drama on NHUnderground.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19264.0
More drama in the above link than you can shake a joint at!
There's a reason I deleted my account there over a year ago... I hope more people will join me, then we will truly be Free 8)
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Well, Kurt is good for drama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Iq7UrdN2o
Are you kidding me? Sam was way more dramatic in the video above
Sam is a bit of a drama queen.
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Its a public park so the inconvenience factor is utter BS.
As to the politicians who are changing their votes based on the activism? I bet they were just absolutely looking for an excuse, and now they found a suitable one. I say onward ho! This is having a significant effect, and if you stop now it may not be so easy to start again.
an effect doing what? What has it changed? Not a damn thing.
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There's a reason I deleted my account there over a year ago... I hope more people will join me, then we will truly be Free 8)
Posted on the nhunderground.com forum:
Russell Kanning wrote:
we don't let people delete their accounts anymore, so we can read the posts and search for stuff
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Hmm...so glad I deleted my account there before that policy went into effect. Too bad I didn't do the same on the suck fest that is NHTeaParty.
And, if you compare Matt's request (fully written out), it sounds quite reasonable compared with Anarcho Jesse's assertion that he will shoot anyone who's involved with politics that comes into his house.
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the suck fest that is NHTeaParty.
I never joined 8)
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Posted on the nhunderground.com forum:
Russell Kanning wrote:
we don't let people delete their accounts anymore, so we can read the posts and search for stuff
Funny how they banned me, then went back and deleted all my posts.
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the suck fest that is NHTeaParty.
I never joined 8)
Smart move. It was fine when Error was admin, until he went on his hike and Joe started editing and deleting other people's posts. After that, it when downhill very very quickly.
Posted on the nhunderground.com forum:
Russell Kanning wrote:
we don't let people delete their accounts anymore, so we can read the posts and search for stuff
Funny how they banned me, then went back and deleted all my posts.
I think it's a new policy. interestingly enough, I can still find all of my old posts. They haven't been deleted even though I deleted my account.
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In SMF deleting an account does NOT delete the posts. I think you'd have to download a custom add-on to do that (or run a quick DELETE command against the mysql command-line)
I highly doubt they actually "disabled" account deletion -- there's no simple option for that. By default, though, there is a button to require admin approval for account deletion. So they can just not approve the deletion.
NHFree.... we got out, before they turned it into a prison :P
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is getting out akin to being made to follow a new rule?
NHfree was pretty boring recently until politicos decided to come back and make demands. By politicos I mean one person.
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At least in the USA you are free to leave....
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Forum Nazis
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19269.msg309846#msg309846
Ian:
Recently, Cassidy's breasts were visible at a cannabis rally and there have already been open containers present at said rallies.
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Isn 't it getting chilly in NH?
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it sounds quite reasonable compared with Anarcho Jesse's assertion that he will shoot anyone who's involved with politics that comes into his house.
I get a pass at Jesse's crib.
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that's a good thing, I can't imagine it's fun to be shot with a mac10 on a string.
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Re: Brian Travis invaded by bureaucrats
« Reply #1013 on: Today at 11:15 AM »
I just got back from court with great news for Heidi.
The prosecutor dropped all of the horse abuse charges. Dropped. Gone. Like they never happened. She (the prosecutor) even read into the record that Heidi is a conscientious horse owner who just had a temporary setback. This is the prosecutor saying this. She stopped just short of admitting they shouldn't have acted so forcefully when they did. Sounds like vindication to me.
So the misdemeanor charges are dropped. Fines, too.
In addition to the nullified misdemeanor charges, there were some charges for "inadequate shelter", which is a violation. Much like a parking ticket or speeding ticket. They dropped all but two of those charges, so they would have something to force her to pay some of the vet bills the town incurred when they had the horses for a couple weeks.
Those two violations will go away in a year as well.
That's great news for Heidi, of course. And now I think it would be appropriate for all of the people who have trashed her on these boards to apologize. It takes a person of good moral character to admit when she is wrong. Let's see what happens.
So I'm celebrating this by buying the next round of beer. At Taproom next Tuesday. See you there!
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It's good to know that the government said it was wrong. It's too bad that suck a silly law, like houses for horses, exists in NH.
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That's really only part of the real story.....some sort of plea agreement was made. The county attorney's office issued a letter indicating that Heidi intended to plead guilty so there would be no trial. You can't plead guilty to dropped charges.
Seems it would have been just so much easier to just feed and provide shelter to the horses in the first place. :?
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you could just mind your own fucking business. That's even easier for some people.
Or you could just go Narc on them like Beth. That's a real freestater for ya. She could have made the issue public without calling in the goon squad and people might have ostracized Heidi for it. Instead people couldn't help but call in some guys with guns to take care of the horses. . . the property.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle)
just a refresher for those nanny state what is that our neighbor is doing types.
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Apparently the Rubberband Man doesn't understand the purpose of this thread.
Moron.
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you could just mind your own fucking business. That's even easier for some people.
Or you could just go Narc on them like Beth. That's a real freestater for ya. She could have made the issue public without calling in the goon squad and people might have ostracized Heidi for it. Instead people couldn't help but call in some guys with guns to take care of the horses. . . the property.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle)
just a refresher for those nanny state what is that our neighbor is doing types.
Dude - "Drama in the Free State"....get it? If you're really not interested in hearing about drama....you shouldn't be reading this thread.
I was there the day we all built one small shelter....because everyone can use a helping hand sometime. But sorry, starving animals is not acceptable to me. Beth could have sat back and let the horses starve to death, but instead she took a stand and did something. It's not like she didn't try and get Heidi to do something about the situation beforehand.
drama, drama, drama....
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Apparently the Rubberband Man doesn't understand the purpose of this thread.
^ this :shock:
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But sorry, starving animals is not acceptable to me. Beth could have sat back and let the horses starve to death, but instead she took a stand and did something.
I'm glad you both believe in property and liberty.
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Property as in your house, your car, your lawn....sure....but when it comes to a living breathing thing, I draw the line.
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Property as in your house, your car, your lawn....sure....but when it comes to a living breathing thing, I draw the line.
So you are a vegan?
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Nope. Some animals are raised as food...you can say that's a contradiction if you want. I wear leather shoes, too. If I starve my cats or my neighbor starves his dogs, that - to me anyway - is different than slaughtering cattle for food. At least the cattle are starved to death.
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Property as in your house, your car, your lawn....sure....but when it comes to a living breathing thing, I draw the line.
you draw the line in a lot of places so I hear, fucking hack.
fucking hypocrite. You're in favor of liberty for yourself and your friends. You do not respect private property and you are on board to use force on someone without any reasonable cause.
Beth is a fucking snitch and a narc.
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Property as in your house, your car, your lawn....sure....but when it comes to a living breathing thing, I draw the line.
you draw the line in a lot of places so I hear, fucking hack.
fucking hypocrite. You're in favor of liberty for yourself and your friends. You do not respect private property and you are on board to use force on someone without any reasonable cause.
Beth is a fucking snitch and a narc.
Yea....whatever.
On a lighter note, someone just told me that they heard Bill Walker got charged with perjury.....any details?
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Nope. Some animals are raised as food...you can say that's a contradiction if you want. I wear leather shoes, too. If I starve my cats or my neighbor starves his dogs, that - to me anyway - is different than slaughtering cattle for food. At least the cattle are starved to death.
How do you know the horses weren't being raised for meat?
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Nope. Some animals are raised as food...you can say that's a contradiction if you want. I wear leather shoes, too. If I starve my cats or my neighbor starves his dogs, that - to me anyway - is different than slaughtering cattle for food. At least the cattle are starved to death.
How do you know the horses weren't being raised for meat?
Probably because they would have been fattening them up, not starving them.
/cymbol crash
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Probably because they would have been fattening them up, not starving them.
Where is your evidence that they were being starved?
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Did you ever see the horses.....the "paddocks", the "shelters"? I did. And I saw them before they got really bad. Heidi can spin it all she wants - that the horses ribs on Arabians are all supposed to show or whatever.
We can debate back and forth forever.....and you'll never see it the way I see it and I'll never agree that what I saw was OK. So be it. Hopefully, they moved the horses to soemwhere weher they can't get loose and damage the neighbors' land like they have been.....hopefully they have shelters and room to move about...and hopefully they get fed this winter.
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Well, it's good to know that you support initiating force.
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On a lighter note, someone just told me that they heard Bill Walker got charged with perjury.....any details?
http://www.nhclog.org/stories/2009/09/24/12/00/bill_walker
On 2009-09-24, Bill Walker received a notice in the mail from the State of New Hampshire informing him that he had been indicted for perjury (RSA 641:1) for allegedly making a materially false statement on the appearance form to appear as legal counsel in her previous trial.
According to the State, Bill allegedly failed to disclose that he had been convicted of a misdemeanor-level disorderly conduct charge (RSA 644:2) stemming from a traffic stop on 2008-1010 in Manchester. This case had ended with a plea agreement, negotiated by Attorney Evan Nappen, where Bill had in actuality agreed to a violation-level disorderly conduct charge in return for the State dropping two firearms-related charges.
The arraignment is scheduled for 2009-10-08 at 09:00 at Belknap Superior Court.
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I'm surprised by all the drama the 4:20 event it generating.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1633.msg18601#msg18601
Ian to Matt Simon:
I really do appreciate you for everything you've done, up until you went off your rocker and decided to torch multiple bridges. For that, I forgive you.
I've met Travis and Bill, and neither of them are morons. I'm sad to see you (Matt) turn against your own supporters just because they disagree on one issue. Despite you calling me an asshole and blaming me personally for the 4:20 events (when I had zero to do with organizing them), I'm still allowing you to appear on a podcast interview with Mark to be released tomorrow night. I have agreed to not appear in the interview, so listeners can hear what transpires on 10/9's podcast of Free Talk Live. It might be a good time for a public apology. Up-to-you though. You're the only one who can put out the bridge fires you started.
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I was truly surprised when Matt resorted to Ad Hominems as an opening move in his effort to persuade.
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I predict this is the start of "Schism II"
I predict the shake-out will take longer than the shake-out from last year's "Schism I" (when Kat & Russ banned political speech on NHUnderground) -- months rather than weeks.
There are a lot more free-staters now, the crowd dynamics are not as quick. Plus it's more real-world than virtual.
Free Drama! No charge!
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Did you ever see the horses.....the "paddocks", the "shelters"? I did. And I saw them before they got really bad. |
So you admit that you saw them BEFORE they supposedly got really bad.
It's nice to know you care enough about starving horses that you personally witness...
to then encourage and advocate the employment of jackboot mercenaries to steal them to enforce your objective and subjective opinion of starving...
perhaps you would understand better if the horse thieves had all been kicked in the head by steel-shod hooves, and rendered dead...
what then?
charge the starving horses with murder or involuntary manslaughter?
charge the owners for having starving horses with enough energy left to kick their kidnappers in the head?
charge the owners for having horses with hind legs that kick?
We can debate back and forth forever.....and you'll never see it the way I see it and I'll never agree that what I saw was OK. So be it. |
feel free to PERSONALLY attempt to steal my horse...or dog...or whatever...
thought so...
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Didn't you know? "ny2nh" is actually a Statist. She is deep undercover, trying to implement an income tax and sales tax, to get mandatory attendance for all under-18's to only government-run schools, trying to get local governments to spend uncontrollably, trying to enact really harsh drug laws. I heard she also wants the State to run all media. She's probably not even against germs!
Same goes for TheScoop, of course.
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Didn't you know? "ny2nh" is actually a Statist. She is deep undercover, trying to implement an income tax and sales tax, to get mandatory attendance for all under-18's to only government-run schools, trying to get local governments to spend uncontrollably, trying to enact really harsh drug laws. I heard she also wants the State to run all media. She's probably not even against germs!
Same goes for TheScoop, of course.
Haven't you heard...
Ninety-Nine percent perfect still doesn't prevent the horse thief from receiving a hole between the eyes...and rightly so...
has this ever been in doubt?
enjoy!
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Didn't you know? "ny2nh" is actually a Statist.
No no no, she's a Fed, though I guess that's just a subcategory of statest. I know because I grew up in Kennebunkport, ME and know feds when I see them.
Same goes for TheScoop, of course.
Damn! They're on to me!
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"ny2nh" = Statist
"ny2nh" = statest
Wah, huh? She is the statest? as in: The most state?
l'etat, c'est moi?
Hur dur
Derp?
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(http://www.freepress.net/files/Sock_Puppet_3_small.JPG)
Un sock c'est moi!
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Hey - is scoop a sock puppet, too? I thought I was the only known sock puppet on here!! ha ha ha
This fed is making tacos for those of you who received the super secret double agent meeting notice. :shock:
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(http://www.freepress.net/files/Sock_Puppet_3_small.JPG)
I always thought Mokey was the sexiest Fraggle
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Hey - is scoop a sock puppet, too? I thought I was the only known sock puppet on here!! ha ha ha
This fed is making tacos for those of you who received the super secret double agent meeting notice. :shock:
I'm the sock! I'M THE SOCK! I have as yet, no personality.
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someone with SQL access is trying to be ever so clever
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Hey - is scoop a sock puppet, too? I thought I was the only known sock puppet on here!! ha ha ha
This fed is making tacos for those of you who received the super secret double agent meeting notice. :shock:
I'm the sock! I'M THE SOCK! I have as yet, no personality.
Just for that, I am putting onions in the taco meat. :)
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lol. But you know Tammy, if you do that, it's not he who will suffer, but everyone around him...ok, he might suffer a bit.
Wah, huh? She is the statest? as in: The most state?
l'etat, c'est moi?
Hur dur
Derp?
Absolutely.
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I predict this is the start of "Schism II"
I predict the shake-out will take longer than the shake-out from last year's "Schism I" (when Kat & Russ banned political speech on NHUnderground) -- months rather than weeks.
There are a lot more free-staters now, the crowd dynamics are not as quick. Plus it's more real-world than virtual.
Free Drama! No charge!
The schism went away?
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he means before it cooled and solidified.
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I predict Schism II will result in 2 Projects.
You know... Projects
(http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7627/comptonya7.jpg)
(http://www.urban75.org/photos/newyork/images/new-york-008.jpg)
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Jesse is in jail according to Porc411 on bail-jumping.
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:shock: OMG. :shock:
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Jesse is in jail according to Porc411 on bail-jumping.
Thanks. When I saw a bunch pf Porc411's (one from "City of Keene") I knew the Keeniancs were up to some kinda drama
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AnarchoJesse is a hero.
Maybe Jesse can see Kurt Hoffman in jail.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1234.msg18800#msg18800
Kurt is in a wheelchair. He cannot stand. Period. You wanna see a video?
He can't talk well. Can't open eyes.
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not if I hear correctly, seems badass jesse wants out of jail and he wants someone else to pay the $1000 bail.
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Hey - is scoop a sock puppet, too? I thought I was the only known sock puppet on here!! ha ha ha
This fed is making tacos for those of you who received the super secret double agent meeting notice. :shock:
I'm the sock! I'M THE SOCK! I have as yet, no personality.
Just for that, I am putting onions in the taco meat. :)
I KNEW IT. I was very sick all day Saturday. If only there was a product to remove bloodstains from underwear.
Srsly, I was sick all Saturday morning. Ask Mrs. Timmons.
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badass jesse wants out of jail and he wants someone else to pay the $1000 bail.
GLWT!
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not if I hear correctly, seems badass jesse wants out of jail and he wants someone else to pay the $1000 bail.
What? Say it ain't so. Jesse is a hero and role model to us all and it turns out he is a phony. Tell me he at least broke the jaw of one bureaucrat.
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Jesse failed to R.A.D.
Maybe he should have taken classes from the millionaire patriot
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I think the Keene crowd needs their own theme music.
I propose Entry of the Gladiators by Julius Fučík
[youtube=425,350]_B0CyOAO8y0[/youtube]
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I think the Keene crowd needs their own theme music.
I propose Entry of the Gladiators by Julius
LOL.
Also: Fučík NO
Try Wagner:
[youtube=425,350]7AlEvy0fJto[/youtube]
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Your activism is disappointing me. That's it, I'm moving to Montana.
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Use of Wagner as theme music was spoiled by the Nazis. I don't recommend it as a PR ploy.
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Use of Wagner as theme music was spoiled by the Nazis. I don't recommend it as a PR ploy.
Damn, nazis foiled my plans again...
(http://www.genreonline.net/Genre_files/Indiana%20Jones%20035.jpg)
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"I use Wagner. It scares the hell out of the slopes."
Yeah. That is the song you want for them. It really fits.
[youtube=425,350]sx7XNb3Q9Ek[/youtube]
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it's true, just yesterday I saw Ian and the "gang" flying over Keene shooting all the innocent civilians. It really does fit quite well. I liked it when Sam shot a missile into the school hut.
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Use of Wagner as theme music was spoiled by the Nazis. I don't recommend it as a PR ploy.
He himself was actually very anti-nazi. I like Fucik better. It has a more upbeat rhythm.
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it's true, just yesterday I saw Ian and the "gang" flying over Keene shooting all the innocent civilians. It really does fit quite well. I liked it when Sam shot a missile into the school hut.
Hey, don't say that. You're gonna cause the Medical Marihuana bill not to be passed!
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of course this one would also be a good fit.
[youtube=425,350]mzpc1o0Y5-U[/youtube]
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nah it doesn't have the killing of civilians in it. Of course all the Keene activists are murdering soldiers. Stick with the war themes.
Loony Tunes doesn't really fit, that show brings joy and laughter to others. Keene doesn't bring joy or freedom or anything. You need some song that has lots of dying people. Work on that.
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it's true, just yesterday I saw Ian and the "gang" flying over Keene shooting all the innocent civilians. It really does fit quite well. I liked it when Sam shot a missile into the school hut.
Hey, don't say that. You're gonna cause the Medical Marihuana bill not to be passed!
that's the most important thing in the world.
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Loony Tunes doesn't really fit
... and there aren't enough of these guys....
(http://gordonandthewhale.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/the_three_stooges.jpg)
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Nyuk nyuk nyuk. Woowoowwoowoo.
Well...does this cover it? Not the music but the hoopy froods:
[youtube=425,350]8YDO7W7uP7E[/youtube]
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[youtube=425,350]cPMFfTrb6ho[/youtube]
Ok ok actually this one. "We've gotta clean up the city."
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Looks like some high end footage and all....but....
I heard these protestors were on Rivera's property....in his driveway....went to his door.....
true? not true?
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I heard one person went to a door. I heard they stood on the sidewalk, which is not Rivera's property. The whole problem will be easiily solved when fat boy Rivera decides to stop hurting people, I can almost guarantee no one will be at his house.
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Looks like some high end footage and all....but....
I heard these protestors were on Rivera's property....in his driveway....went to his door.....
true? not true?
I didn't hear or see that. It sounds like someone went to his door to knock on it. Seems normal. I heard someone answered and talk for a short bit. Also regular stuff.
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nah it doesn't have the killing of civilians in it. Of course all the Keene activists are murdering soldiers. Stick with the war themes.
Loony Tunes doesn't really fit, that show brings joy and laughter to others. Keene doesn't bring joy or freedom or anything. You need some song that has lots of dying people. Work on that.
Of course it fits. Its a circus.
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I understand these are all peaceful, principled people.
But you must admit, to the uninitiated, a crowd of upset people in the night on the edge of a person's property, gives the impression of a "vigilante mob" ... Which is exactly what pro-government people think that government is protecting them from.
These tactics are the opposite of "winning hearts and minds."
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Of course it fits. Its a circus.
That.
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These tactics are the opposite of "winning hearts and minds."
Good for them.
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maybe they should sing Christmas Carols so the uninitiated masses of buffalo aren't so alarmed.
Looney Tunes is a circus show? Do they have Kazoos?
who let MaxxOccupancy on this forum?
make the theme song about killing innocent people again, that was more appropriate.
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Free Keene Drama
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1748.0
Sorry everyone - the activies at Burke's and Rivera's house have really turned me off. Going to a police officers house? Messing with his family?
I was so very ready to get heavily involved. I must step back now, as this is completely out-of-control.
So very disappointed in the direction this has gone. Sorry, too if you disagree with me, but I can't seek getting involved now.
So, from what I am seeing I expect some will fire away at me with downgrades and blasts - that seems to be what happens with some folks in the forum - so very self-desctructive. Fire-away. All I can do in monitor and hope. Backing down and so very, very disappointed at the direction this has gone.
Looking outside of the Keene area now. Good luck and please use your heads. -Gordon.
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Free Keene Drama
I don't think needing an excuse not to move to Keene is technically drama. Just more of the same whiny AnCapMan shit.
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It's drama that a liberty activist is moving away from Keene because of the Keeniacs
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Free Keene Drama
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1748.0Sorry everyone - the activies at Burke's and Rivera's house have really turned me off. Going to a police officers house? Messing with his family?
I was so very ready to get heavily involved. I must step back now, as this is completely out-of-control.
So very disappointed in the direction this has gone. Sorry, too if you disagree with me, but I can't seek getting involved now.
So, from what I am seeing I expect some will fire away at me with downgrades and blasts - that seems to be what happens with some folks in the forum - so very self-desctructive. Fire-away. All I can do in monitor and hope. Backing down and so very, very disappointed at the direction this has gone.
Looking outside of the Keene area now. Good luck and please use your heads. -Gordon.
tar, feathers, pitchforks, and torches were close at hand in the neighborhood garages, sheds, and basements
and when the bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries fail to prop up the dollar, and the stock market, and the welfare and social security checks
then the looters who once championed them...will, instead...gather and suspend them from the nearest tree-limb, telegraph-pole, and/or lamp-post
hey, don't shoot the messenger!
we only bring tidings of great joy in the season of the refreshing of the Tree of Liberty!
one wonders when figureheads of the Amerikan Empire will suffer the Saddam Hussein fate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
hey, don't shoot the messenger!
one wonders when the Predator, Warrior, and Reaper Drones will spew their murder and destruction over Amerika?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1_Predator
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Twuav_13_02.jpeg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1C_Warrior
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/OCPA-2005-08-11-080331.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-9_Reaper
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/MQ-9_Reaper_in_flight_%282007%29.jpg)
Oh, hey...you don't even have to wait for that answer because they are ALREADY flying domestically!
http://www.myabc50.com/news/local/story/Homeland-Security-drone-patrolling-NNY/8ujqf9M2YkCXVlOmBVxFOg.cspx
there is smoke on the horizon...where there is smoke, there is FIRE!
enjoy!
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It's drama that a liberty activist is moving away from Keene because of the Keeniacs
This person never moved there to begin with.
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It's drama that a liberty activist is moving away from Keene because of the Keeniacs
so liberty activists can be any douche on a web forum that just talk once in a while?
more of the same "ruining the movement" bullshit. Did the Keeniacs ruin the HCR6 push too? Seems to me the only people who ruined that were the real asshole chanting morons screaming from the upper deck (ie- not Keeniacs, most of them left when they saw it was just a conservative rally)
the NH Political strategy: make fun of the most principled in the movement, call them names, calm the masses that are afraid of peaceful interactions, continue to fail.
It's drama that a liberty activist is moving away from Keene because of the Keeniacs
This person never moved there to begin with.
right, if you're going to speak as if you have a clue, make sure you fucking have one first.
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I love you, Anton
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Free Keene Drama
Gordon is a freaking weirdo.
Don't worry. He'll be back on our side and mysteriously visiting keene by next week.
I visited Keene last weekend! Fantastic area... really, really enjoyed my trip.
Nobody saw him.
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right, if you're going to speak as if you have a clue, make sure you fucking have one first.
maybe a raging clue.....he he he
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the NH Political strategy: make fun of the most principled in the movement, call them names, calm the masses that are afraid of peaceful interactions, continue to fail.
Oh yeah. Oh so principled. let us all bow down and kiss your principled asses. How dare anyone call a bunch of self important immature melodramatic attention whores who want to pretend that they are actually changing the world by acting out a sad parody of real struggles for freedom. How dare anyone question your actions. You have principles!
You're going to free the world by being a baffoon.
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I love you, Anton
BREAKING NEW DRAMA! Denis loves Anton!!!!!!! :shock:
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I love you, Anton
BREAKING NEW DRAMA! Denis loves Anton!!!!!!! :shock:
Relax. It's a purely physical thing.
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I just learned tonight about Curt and the Kannings' old digs.
Fascinating... I had no idea.
Surprising that it's never mentioned on the show.
blackie, I assume, is all on top of it, though.
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I asked about it a few pages back. What's up?
Kurt is the guy who bought Kat's place in Keene, right?
What didn't Kurt do for Kat?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18528.msg302406#msg302406
Russell:
So far Lumpy/Kurt ... has not done what he needed to for Kat in Keene. We shall see.
913-17-014.0171 88 SPARROW ST. RESTORE PEACE & ORDER LLC 0 0 0 22,400 22,400 23,900
WTF?
http://www.restorepeaceandorder.com/default.html
Is this how Kurt made $500,000 per year?
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Clearly not!
Oh, I'm known of this forever. Just like I have drama on quite a few people that I don't share. People tell me things because I listen and keep the info quite.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MufSUvoGqtQ
[youtube=425,350]MufSUvoGqtQ[/youtube]
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JESUS WILL HELP
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I asked about it a few pages back. What's up?
So far Lumpy/Kurt ... has not done what he needed to for Kat in Keene. We shall see.
913-17-014.0171 88 SPARROW ST. RESTORE PEACE & ORDER LLC 0 0 0 22,400 22,400 23,900
Is this how Kurt made $500,000 per year?
I don't understand the total silence on this issue. It's like the Keeniacs are closing lines behind some kind of "thin blue line" variant.
Anyway, you can find the records if you just look for 'em; they're all public. It seems Kurt bought the trailer from Kat & Russ, but records show it was still owned by the bank -- and the bank has not been getting payments (even before the new owner went to jail). I would have assumed half-a-mil would be enough to make payments on a plot of land. Apparently not.
I would have thought property, ownership, sanctity of contracts, and repayment of debt would be of paramount importance to anarcocapitalists. Maybe not so much to "voluntaryists"...?
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I had assumed Kat bought the place outright. I didn't know there was a mortgage involved. Are you allowed to transfer ownership when a mortgage is involved?
I know that she didn't own the land, it was some sort of trailer park, so there was some kind of monthly rent/lease payment for the land. Tanglewood Estates (http://tanglewoodestates.realtors.officelive.com/default.aspx). I thought Kat sold the place for $1 because she was told she couldn't rent it out, and didn't want to pay taxes or the rent/lease for the land.
I thought part of the issue Kat/Russell had with Kurt may have been that he didn't do what he needed to do to transfer ownership, and Kat was still being charged the property tax/land lease fee. But that was just a guess.
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I don't understand the total silence on this issue.
What silence? I don't know all of the details, nor care to. Rusel has mentioned this more than one time at gatherings where he lives. The people that want to know about it, know about it. Kurt isn't in good standing with Rusel.
About the $500,000. Sometimes when people talk, they stretch things. Maybe Kurt made $500,000 on paper if assets were sold or something. Either way, it doesn't matter.
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I would have thought property, ownership, sanctity of contracts, and repayment of debt would be of paramount importance to anarcocapitalists. Maybe not so much to "voluntaryists"...?
Please, everyone knows that as long as the government exists, propery, ownership, contracts and debt repayment are enforced by and party to government regulations. Therefore, no contract is actually valid until you get rid of the government. Duh.
So, how about them arrests today, eh?
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http://freekeene.com/2009/10/17/keene-crackdown-at-pumpkin-fest/
Six individuals were arrested by police this afternoon at Pumpkin Fest. The daily 420 event was moved to the area directly in front of City Hall due to the massive pumpkin display at Central Square. Rich Paul of Keene took to the megaphone in front a large crowd and at the proper time lit a pipe presumably containing marijuana, a plant. Police quickly surrounded Mr. Paul and placed him under arrest. Noah Wood and Evan Pierce were also seen lighting up and were arrested as well.
Three other individuals were also arrested at city hall, when asked about the charge officers indicated that they did not know why they were arresting the three. A witness reportedly saw one of the individuals attempt to enter the city hall building prompting police to arrest him. It is unknown at this time exactly what happened. Ryan Maddox, Dan Steward and Yadra, all from the Keene area.
Latest update: Rich Paul, Noah Wood and Dan Steward have been released; Ryan Maddox, Evan Pierce and Yadra are reported to be at the Cheshire County Correctional Facility.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNq8s6x81Q
[youtube=425,350]DyNq8s6x81Q[/youtube]
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I asked about it a few pages back. What's up?
So far Lumpy/Kurt ... has not done what he needed to for Kat in Keene. We shall see.
913-17-014.0171 88 SPARROW ST. RESTORE PEACE & ORDER LLC 0 0 0 22,400 22,400 23,900
Is this how Kurt made $500,000 per year?
I don't understand the total silence on this issue. It's like the Keeniacs are closing lines behind some kind of "thin blue line" variant.
Anyway, you can find the records if you just look for 'em; they're all public. It seems Kurt bought the trailer from Kat & Russ, but records show it was still owned by the bank -- and the bank has not been getting payments (even before the new owner went to jail). I would have assumed half-a-mil would be enough to make payments on a plot of land. Apparently not.
I would have thought property, ownership, sanctity of contracts, and repayment of debt would be of paramount importance to anarcocapitalists. Maybe not so much to "voluntaryists"...?
there was a fucking ridley report about it.
I love Denis too. He's quite the spit catcher.
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[youtube=425,350]252rtam_9w0[/youtube]
If I ever get to NH, I will have one of these for a backup plan. Who's with me? Flash mob dance/music at the EXACT time when the cops start going after people.
Let that draw media's attention. You can even include civil disobedience in it somehow.
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So, who was the man in white in that (pumpkin fest) video? He's the puppet master, whoever he is.
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=158728255043
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=161955104000
It's like watching the Iraqis throw flowers at the feet of their liberators
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It's like watching the Iraqis throw flowers at the feet of their liberators
Huh?
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http://freekeene.com/2009/10/19/activist-jailed-for-hat-in-court/
Activist Jailed for Hat in Court
Filed under: News, Personal Freedom, Police, Thuggery — Ian at 8:05 pm on Monday, October 19, 2009
UPDATED
By JJ and Ian
Brandon of Keene was arrested this morning for wearing a hood in a court room. You read that correctly, “wearing a hood” was the criminal act. Apparently it is alright to wear a costume consisting of a robe or a costume consisting of a uniform and various bits of metal but one cannot wear a simple hood that is attached to your standard hooded-sweatshirt. This is beyond ridiculous it is outright tyranny carried out under the auspices of of what? Etiquette? Safety?
Hardly, this is what you get when you allow a Judge like Burke to reign from on high. Brandon did not obey and the court saw violence as the remedy. As I understand it he heroically went limp during the arrest – making it extra difficult on the police due to his large size.
Strangely, the robed man, Edward Burke has decided to allow hats on prior occasions, so this is just another example of the arbitrariness of the “justice” system.
Activists were in the court this morning attending the arraignments of Ryan, Evan, and Yadra. Ryan and Evan agreed to “personal recognizance” bail on the condition that they complete processing at KPD, while Yadra refused to identify himself and will remain in Westmoreland jail as John Doe #1.
It is believed Brandon’s arraignment will be tomorrow at 9am. Hope to see you there!
To call the jail and inquire about Kurt, Yadra, or Brandon – 603-399-7794
To call the Keene Police: 603-357-9815
To call Keene district court: 603-352-2559
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As I understand it he heroically went limp during the arrest – making it extra difficult on the police due to his large size.
Yeah, getting arrested really is a big turn-off. That guy must be extremely well hung if his flaccid penis posed that much of a problem for the cops.
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So, who was the man in white in that (pumpkin fest) video? He's the puppet master, whoever he is.
I wanted to know the same thing and asked over at forum.freekeene.com but nobody answered.
Someone better spill the beans, and if nobody knows, then WTF kind of activism is this?
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It's like watching the Iraqis throw flowers at the feet of their liberators
Huh?
Denis thinks that because some high school kids decided to start anti-Free Stater/Free Keeniac sites that means the entire city of Keene, the State of New Hampshire, The United States of America hate free staters and that they should immediately stop, go put on a suit, go to city hall and fight fight fight.
They should hide who they are and what they believe and just go with the flow. These high school kids might make more sense than that actually.
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I love you, Anton
(http://www.msnpro.com/emoticons/new-msn/lotsoflove.gif)
It's almost as effective as hugging a cop!
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So, who was the man in white in that (pumpkin fest) video? He's the puppet master, whoever he is.
I wanted to know the same thing and asked over at forum.freekeene.com but nobody answered.
Who are you guys talking about? (what timecode?) Only white I see is the shirt Rich Paul is wearing.
Or the whiteish hoodie Evan is wearing (the kid that went limp during the pot arrest).
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Hes like the fucking G Man from Half Life.
3:31 - the sneaky guy snuck right to the middle without me seeing
4:39 - Blocking the camera from seeing a screaming anarchojesse + an arrest
5:16 - Practically kissing the ear of a cop
7:35...
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(http://imagehosting.weebly.com/uploads/7/0/3/2/70323/1095521.jpg)
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Isn't that the guy that arrested Sam for driving on a suspended license?
http://freekeene.com/2009/07/31/sam-exits-court-arrested-moments-later/
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Isn't that the guy that arrested Sam for driving on a suspended license?
http://freekeene.com/2009/07/31/sam-exits-court-arrested-moments-later/
No. Maybe this guy is actually a fed, cuz he's making the shots. The cop to the left of him looks calm and happy...until he suddenly arrests the activists??
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Yeah I dunno who that is.
The guy that arrested Sam was in KPD uniform. The second one that got in Jesse's face after his little dance.
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Ok, that is the guy I was thinking of. Is he a KPD detective?
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3160/copj.jpg)
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Ok, that is the guy I was thinking of. Is he a KPD detective?
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3160/copj.jpg)
Probably a detective if he was following Sam, but still no word as to who the guy was in the other vid. This is important.
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Probably a detective if he was following Sam, but still no word as to who the guy was in the other vid. This is important.
5:16 - Practically kissing the ear of a cop
I think he is talking to the guy I posted a picture of. Maybe they are both KPD detectives.
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Target them with chants and protests. They have the brains.
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other possibilities: He might be a county attorney, but I don't think he's *the* county attorney. Could also be that he's someone from the attorney general's office if they set up some kind of special "drug task force" to tackle the problem of dope smoking at the '09 pumpkin fest.
There were state and even federal enforcers there, from that I understand. Also, the county government was involved in the operation.
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Ok, that is the guy I was thinking of. Is he a KPD detective?
Lieutenant Peter "Sturdy" Thomas
Very in favor of drug prohibition last time we checked.
Still don't know about mystery white shirt guy.
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Sam is guilty.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1794.0
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Sam is guilty.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1794.0
[youtube=525,325]OjI7eHk5j38[/youtube]
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and this means what now?
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and this means what now?
That he "owes" the state $300 for a driving while suspended fine.
He might appeal, or just not pay. The full trial video is not up yet. Hopefully soon.
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I miss Ivy drama.
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Me too. That is hardcore drama.
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So the Medi Pot Veto Override failed.
Who blames the 420 protests? Comon, I know you want to.
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It was destined to fail.
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So the Medi Pot Veto Override failed.
Who blames the 420 protests? Comon, I know you want to.
I don't think that the 420 protests really mattered all that much in this regards. The key swing votes on this matter were likely not going to vote for it. I personally found it instructive about some of the personalities involved.
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I don't blame the 420 protests.
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I blame the Firefighters' Union.
You may think I am being facetious. I am not. The veto override failure had nothing to do with the morons in Keene. It had everything to do with that 1 gubmint workerz union.
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of course, by moron he obviously means the people who support caging people who don't harm others. He couldn't possibly mean that there's a group of people who oppose force who are moronic, at least not as moronic as those who support using violence against peaceful people.
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I blame the Firefighters' Union.
You may think I am being facetious. I am not. The veto override failure had nothing to do with the morons in Keene. It had everything to do with that 1 gubmint workerz union.
Can you go into greater detail for the uninformed, trapped in the hinterland w/ crazy people, faction?
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of course, by moron he obviously means the people who support caging people who don't harm others. He couldn't possibly mean that there's a group of people who oppose force who are moronic, at least not as moronic as those who support using violence against peaceful people.
No. I think he is talking about you. You are a fucking moron.
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I blame the Firefighters' Union.
You may think I am being facetious. I am not. The veto override failure had nothing to do with the morons in Keene. It had everything to do with that 1 gubmint workerz union.
Can you go into greater detail for the uninformed, trapped in the hinterland w/ crazy people, faction?
I hope to call in tonight. It'll likely be late, say 9:30 PM, before I'm able to call. Sucks that I'll miss the Joel interview. Joel is one of my heroes.
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of course, by moron he obviously means the people who support caging people who don't harm others. He couldn't possibly mean that there's a group of people who oppose force who are moronic, at least not as moronic as those who support using violence against peaceful people.
No. I think he is talking about you. You are a fucking moron.
how kind of you to say. Unfortunately I'm not a Keeniac so it's quite obvious he wasn't referring to me.
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Sorry, children and work kept me busy till well past showtime. Snarfing the podcast now.
Anyway, Mark, I posted what info I can tell over on the NHLA Forum thread on this topic:
http://forum.nhliberty.org/index.php?topic=2476.msg19653#msg19653
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The Keene Drama Club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGFGhiUOLrA
[youtube=425,350]TGFGhiUOLrA[/youtube]
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Ian hasn't been allowed to vote as a homeless person today.
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Ian hasn't been allowed to vote as a homeless person today.
The NH statutes are pretty severe about denying someone the right to vote. If any activist wanted to actually go punitive on the bureaucrats and teach them a lesson they will not soon forget, a legal challenge concerning disenfranchisement would be a damn fine weapon to use.
What makes it especially hilarious is that the Keene State Reps are infamous for making the voting laws so weak in NH, that buses of college kids from Mass, Vermont, and Maine get bussed up here by ACORN, SEIU, etc, and literally go voting from town to town. That's not just an allegation -- there are actual signed letters from these young people who later felt remorse for what they had done.
Anyway, Rep. Chuck Weed (D-Keene) is the vice-chair of the Election Law committee, and he personally wrote or championed some of those laws that make it legal for just about anybody with a face to vote in NH.
Maybe Ian should call "his" representative and complain...
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You should be allowed to vote anyway. Likely it would be challenged and then maybe not counted. But you should be able to actually cast the ballot.
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no no no. . . he has to get the approval of the hag first.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1864.msg21304#msg21304
Please note this submitted, but as of yet unpublished letter to the editor of the Keene Sentinel:
Imagine my surprise when my boyfriend, a member of the Keene Fire Department, informed me that my restaurant, Fritz, had become the “Free Staters” Sunday meeting ground. In an act that may have begun with good intentions, I am put in a position that requires clarification.
Despite the unwitting representation of my business on the Free Keene web-site, I never consented to their choosing Fritz as a new meeting ground. In accordance with most restaurant business models, the use of Fritz’s dining room is a service I enjoy providing to individuals in exchange for the purchase of food and to groups in exchange for rent or catering services. Until now, I have not had to enforce this most basic principle, but am saddened I may have to if I feel my services are being taken advantage of.
Upon reviewing the Free Keene website I found my business name juxtaposed with political content of which neither Fritz, nor myself are associated. This coincidence has caught my business in the crossfire of a situation I have no intention or desire of getting directly involved in.
I’m not opposed to followers of the Free State movement eating at my establishment, as people of all political views and ideologies are welcome to patronize. However I am opposed to political groups using my restaurant as a place to organize and solicit new members, especially without my approval. In response to the Free Keene’s plan to invite themselves to Fritz for their weekly meetings my response is “No, Thank You”.
Jessica Graveline
Owner, Fritz Belgian Fries LLC
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1864.msg21304#msg21304
Please note this submitted, but as of yet unpublished letter to the editor of the Keene Sentinel:
Imagine my surprise when my boyfriend, a member of the Keene Fire Department, informed me that my restaurant, Fritz, had become the “Free Staters” Sunday meeting ground. In an act that may have begun with good intentions, I am put in a position that requires clarification.
Despite the unwitting representation of my business on the Free Keene web-site, I never consented to their choosing Fritz as a new meeting ground. In accordance with most restaurant business models, the use of Fritz’s dining room is a service I enjoy providing to individuals in exchange for the purchase of food and to groups in exchange for rent or catering services. Until now, I have not had to enforce this most basic principle, but am saddened I may have to if I feel my services are being taken advantage of.
Upon reviewing the Free Keene website I found my business name juxtaposed with political content of which neither Fritz, nor myself are associated. This coincidence has caught my business in the crossfire of a situation I have no intention or desire of getting directly involved in.
I’m not opposed to followers of the Free State movement eating at my establishment, as people of all political views and ideologies are welcome to patronize. However I am opposed to political groups using my restaurant as a place to organize and solicit new members, especially without my approval. In response to the Free Keene’s plan to invite themselves to Fritz for their weekly meetings my response is “No, Thank You”.
Jessica Graveline
Owner, Fritz Belgian Fries LLC
Now that is good drama!
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Business owners need to decide what is good for their business. If the Keen crowd called them and said hey we'd like to have a weekly get together on such and such day.....that's one thing. If a bunch show up and eat and drink and tip every week....that's another.....but if people are just showing up and hanging out with some people who are eating and drinking and tipping.....well, that's completely different thing.
Just like Taproom - who is going to go and have dinner and drinks there on a Tuesday unless you're looking to hang out with the freestaters? I was there after the polls on Tuesday and I didn't see all that much eating and drinking going on - more like space occupying. I know many of the servers hate working Tuesday nights because they get crap in tips.
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Business owners need to decide what is good for their business. If the Keen crowd called them and said hey we'd like to have a weekly get together on such and such day.....that's one thing. If a bunch show up and eat and drink and tip every week....that's another.....but if people are just showing up and hanging out with some people who are eating and drinking and tipping.....well, that's completely different thing.
Just like Taproom - who is going to go and have dinner and drinks there on a Tuesday unless you're looking to hang out with the freestaters? I was there after the polls on Tuesday and I didn't see all that much eating and drinking going on - more like space occupying. I know many of the servers hate working Tuesday nights because they get crap in tips.
I can't imagine that was going on at Vendettas. I certainly never noticed it. And it isn't like Sundays are busy days in Keene. and there are no servers at Fritz's.
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Even if there are no servers....people still need to all be buying food or drink.....otherwise they are just taking up space
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Even if there are no servers....people still need to all be buying food or drink.....otherwise they are just taking up space
that is for the business owner to decide. You have to weigh the business as it comes in on a Sunday. If 3 people come and pay for food on a given sunday. . .great you have 3 people eating and spending money. If you have 10 people who come and 5 of them pay for food on a given Sunday, you've made more money than you otherwise would have.
Some people just don't like to have money at all. This lady at Fritz is pushing away business. Who needs money? She doesn't, her husbund is a hack he makes plenty.
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yes - it is up to the business and she seems to not want the business. I'm just making people try and think about the impact that ANY group gathering in a restaurant can have on their business. The sports league at Murphy's might keep poeple away, too......or a religious group, etc. The difference I see is that the sports league is owned by Murphy - so their fees go to him anyway - and they are all drinking beers.....not just hanging out.
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I think the Keeners should do a candle light vigil in front of Fritz while wearing V masks and smoking dope.
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Some people just don't like to have money at all. This lady at Fritz is pushing away business.
Maybe it's worth the profit on 5 meals to get a bunch of obnoxious, undesirable people out of her business.
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Hmmm... the place where I work gets such crappy business during the winter that if ten people came in and two ordered food we'd be happy. Its not just the fact that they are buying that specific time, its that they aren't tourists or people passing through, they are regulars. Regulars are one of if not THE most important aspect to running a successful restaurant. Exclusions exist (i.e. truck stops) but in the end if she did actually need regular business then come January she would be quite regretful. Why did she write the letter anyway? Wouldn't it be easier to go out to the customers and ask that they make more purchases instead of being passive-aggressive and go behind their backs.
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Maybe she is afraid her place will be seen as a "free stater" restaurant, and that will drive away some of the regulars.
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Some people just don't like to have money at all. This lady at Fritz is pushing away business.
Maybe it's worth the profit on 5 meals to get a bunch of obnoxious, undesirable people out of her business.
why would she worry about that, you don't go there at all. Money talks, the guy at Vendetta disliked when I didn't order alcoholic drinks but he sure liked the tips I gave him because he opened his place up to peaceful people gathering at his establishment. Maybe they could make money in other ways. You could show up and let people spit on you. Then your voice can get high like a little girl. It'll be great fun.
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she might be suffering from red team/blue team mentality
It's more accurate in this case to call it the "good neighbors/carpetbagging flatlanders" mentality
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she might be suffering from red team/blue team mentality
It's more accurate in this case to call it the "good neighbors/carpetbagging flatlanders" mentality
^ this
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Well it seems like people in Keene are starting to label you all as them assholes. Congratulations. You are doing such a great social service out there. Charities wants nothing to do with you. Restaurants are starting to want nothing to do with you. Maybe we are starting to see ostracism at work.
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Well it seems like people in Keene are starting to label you all as them assholes. Congratulations. You are doing such a great social service out there. Charities wants nothing to do with you. Restaurants are starting to want nothing to do with you. Maybe we are starting to see ostracism at work.
Do you really think that's not going to happen as more Freestaters move and start to practice what they believe in other parts of the state?
The notion that we're supposed to appease statists so that we look good is retarded.
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Well it seems like people in Keene are starting to label you all as them assholes. Congratulations. You are doing such a great social service out there. Charities wants nothing to do with you. Restaurants are starting to want nothing to do with you. Maybe we are starting to see ostracism at work.
Do you really think that's not going to happen as more Freestaters move and start to practice what they believe in other parts of the state?
The notion that we're supposed to appease statists so that we look good is retarded.
When did Evil Muppet say appease statists? He was talking about restaurants and charities not wanting anything to do with the Keene crowd.
I know SO many freestaters that are welcomed and appreciated by members of their community....and they're likely accomplishing more towards the goal of liberty in our lifetime than not. People don't have to shed their beliefs in order to be nice to other members of the community. I think working to show people a better way is better than shoving it down their throats or being all in their face about it.
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I think working to show people a better way is better than shoving it down their throats or being all in their face about it.
It's been working for force initiators since civilization began. Why can't people who don't initiate force do the same?
Oh, that's right, you're into The Political Way. Sorry I bothered.
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I wonder what kind of motivation it would take to get the Keene group to move to Vermont?
I'll help buy the bus tickets...
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I wonder what kind of motivation it would take to get the Keene group to move to Vermont?
I'll help buy the bus tickets...
Wow. Your feelings must have really gotten hurt. :(
Quite the contrary... I appreciate all the free entertainment. I just wanna help y'all achieve your goal -- total seclusion from the rest of society -- sooner, rather than later.
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lol Lance
he got his feelings hurt, ever since he's been tearing up. He likes to fellate those with power, I don't. It's a natural break, I'm not really into fellating anyone.
some people can take it, some people can't.
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I wonder what kind of motivation it would take to get the Keene group to move to Vermont?
I'll help buy the bus tickets...
Wow. Your feelings must have really gotten hurt. :(
Quite the contrary... I appreciate all the free entertainment. I just wanna help y'all achieve your goal -- total seclusion from the rest of society -- sooner, rather than later.
:?
I don't live in Keene, so you shouldn't necessarily put me in the "them" category.
I've been reading your comments for a year now. Only recently have you begun to attack the activists in Keene. I was thinking about your changed position this morning when I was out walking. I apologize to you for insulting you a few comments back in this thread. Maybe your reaction is just based on fear of retribution from the politicos you spend time courting. It made me think of this old Roman law:
The [Roman] slave punishment for assaulting the master of the house, or members of the family...was to torture and kill all slave members of a familia when one had assaulted an owner.
http://www.roman-colosseum.info/roman-life/slave-punishment.htm
Cheers dude.
:roll:
Are you really this stupid as to actually believe such silly nonsense?
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total seclusion from the rest of society -- sooner, rather than later.
I bet you're just so in tune with your fellow man. There's a difference between standing up for ones morals vs buttkissing.
No gods, no masters.
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TROLL'D
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some people have a hard time getting others on board with their ideas.
others don't really care what others think
some find that if you can't get others on board, adapt the things you want to match theirs.
then you can get whatever you want, by force. It's so easy!
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Didn't you hear? I kill & eat old people. And babies.
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You should come over for dinner sometime. I'm planning on making some Seared Kitten With Lemongrass Risotto. It should be delicious.
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I finally put Denis on ignore. I couldn't take it anymore.
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blah blah blah w00t blah blah
Made ya hit the button to see the comment, didn't I, BJ? ;)
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Ian used to be homeless.
Voter Intimidation Continues in Keene
Filed under: Hypocrisy, Issues, Update — Ian at 11:45 pm on Friday, November 13, 2009
On the day of the general election I went to Ward 4’s voting location with the intention of voting for Free Keene’s Nick Ryder. As the city clerk had promised, I had indeed been removed from the voters’ rolls because I’d registered to vote with my “domicile” as my box at the UPS Store. On the day of the general election I was homeless and decided to register to vote as such. As happened during the primary, they did everything they could to prevent me from taking part in their system. (Interestingly, people like me who prefer outside-the-system activism are incessantly told that we should work within the system, but if we try to, this is the kind of crap that happens.)
So I tried to register as a homeless person and despite signing TWO forms under penalty of perjury (the “domicile affidavit” and the “voter challenge affidavit”) they STILL refused to accept my registration! I immediately pulled out my blackberry and QIKked their explanation. Turns out because the “checklist supervisor” didn’t FEEL like I was homeless, that was enough to deny me the right to vote. It didn’t matter one iota that I’d sworn an oath to my claim being true. My supposed right to vote was DENIED. Watch as it happened:
[youtube=425,350]MvIfcRGsD9M[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvIfcRGsD9M
http://freekeene.com/2009/11/13/voter-intimidation-continues-in-keene/#comment-85131
COMMENT BY IAN
November 14, 2009 @ 12:12 pm
You keep insisting I was lying. I was really homeless at the time I went to vote. Are you saying you’ve never gotten into hot water with your significant other? Just because I own a house in Keene doesn’t mean I am necessarily living there.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19581.msg312538#msg312538
Dalebert:
Candlelight Vigils Daily
6pm Burke's
6:30pm Eli's
Those of us who were at the vigil tonight were talking and we've decided we're just going to start showing up every night when we can, first outside Burke's and then Eli's. The idea is we're all on different schedules and this way everyone can participate whenever it works for them, much like the 420 rallies. Hopefully it can also build up once it's happening daily, perhaps even drawing in some other locals not necessarily yet involved with Free Keene, and we can make it clear that we care and aren't forgetting those who have been victimized and continue to be victimized. I suggest people get in the habit of having a candle or candles on them so they can share with others. We shouldn't count on someone being there with candles. You may want to look into one of those mini lanterns with LEDs that look a lot like candles. I hear they can be bought for about $5. I'm going to try to make several nights a week I'll stand there for half an hour even if it's just me alone. Others have said the same. It's always preferable to have numbers, of course, but if you find yourself out there alone, just have a camera, and ideally a walky-talky to communicate quickly. Certainly have a cell so you can make a call to Porc 411 if needed. I would also encourage those in Keene to have their walky-talkies on from 6 to 7pm. I don't think any of that will actually be needed but it's good to be prepared.
We may just want this to become a standard thing whenever an innocent activist is being punished with jail. If it sounds tedious, just remember that you can go at the times it works for you. No one is actually expected to show up EVERY day. Also, don't feel compelled to go to both houses every time you show. You may find you can only make one or the other. That's fine. And find strength in knowing that an innocent activist is jailed and is effectively standing vigil 24 hours every day. An hour suddenly doesn't sound so bad.
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FreeKeene hater videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYxeh_y3r20
[youtube=425,350]CYxeh_y3r20[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J7jfgrEo5Y
[youtube=425,350]6J7jfgrEo5Y[/youtube]
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Ian used to be homeless.
Ian "had a fight" with his girlfriend the morning of voting. He "got kicked out of the house" for the day and was therefore "homeless". I don't know any other details. Hopefully their relationship is okay :)
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How many hours was he homeless for?
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you should ask him.
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Ian used to be homeless.
Ian "had a fight" with his girlfriend the morning of voting. He "got kicked out of the house" for the day and was therefore "homeless". I don't know any other details. Hopefully their relationship is okay :)
That story is incredibly hard to believe. I don't know why Ian decided to go that route. It's a lot easier to justify not letting him vote when he is obviously lying to the people working the polls.
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So I tried to register as a homeless person
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I immediately pulled out my blackberry
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so if I lie to a poll hag I can't vote either? Is that in the constitution too?
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Candlelight Vigils Daily
If they want to ensure the situation escalates, they're going about it the right way.
:roll:
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Does anyone open carry at these candlelight vigils?
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Does anyone open carry at these candlelight vigils?
*shudder*
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1964.msg22277#msg22277
Dalebert:
Tonight we had three. Two didn't have candles because they were expecting someone to come who hand candles but canceled. We stopped by Dollar Tree and got some candles before moving on to Eli's house. We started a little late there and stayed a little late. I was kicking myself for forgetting my walky talky.
Tonight was a reminder why it's good to be self-sufficient for these and have a candle with you. I have a little bag of very small candles that I will share when I'm there but I won't always be there. The key is not necessarily massive numbers, though that would be nice some nights, but rather persistence, to have at least someone show up every night.
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So I tried to register as a homeless person
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I immediately pulled out my blackberry
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C5VMt0Sqis0/Simt41by3-I/AAAAAAAABBY/qdN4vkAWo3k/s400/2.jpeg)
Cost of a bowl of soup at homeless shelter $0.00 dollars
Having Michelle Obama Serve you your soup $0.00 dollars
Snapping a picture of a homeless person who is receiving government funded meal while taking a picture of the first lady using his $500 Black Berry cell phone $$$$ Priceless
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So I tried to register as a homeless person
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I immediately pulled out my blackberry
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C5VMt0Sqis0/Simt41by3-I/AAAAAAAABBY/qdN4vkAWo3k/s400/2.jpeg)
Cost of a bowl of soup at homeless shelter $0.00 dollars
Having Michelle Obama Serve you your soup $0.00 dollars
Snapping a picture of a homeless person who is receiving government funded meal while taking a picture of the first lady using his $500 Black Berry cell phone $$$$ Priceless
hilarious
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So I tried to register as a homeless person
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I immediately pulled out my blackberry
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C5VMt0Sqis0/Simt41by3-I/AAAAAAAABBY/qdN4vkAWo3k/s400/2.jpeg)
Cost of a bowl of soup at homeless shelter $0.00 dollars
Having Michelle Obama Serve you your soup $0.00 dollars
Snapping a picture of a homeless person who is receiving government funded meal while taking a picture of the first lady using his $500 Black Berry cell phone $$$$ Priceless
hilarious
Guess what, dudes a volunteer.
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The infighting is going to destroy the purpose of liberty activity
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So I tried to register as a homeless person
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I immediately pulled out my blackberry
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C5VMt0Sqis0/Simt41by3-I/AAAAAAAABBY/qdN4vkAWo3k/s400/2.jpeg)
Cost of a bowl of soup at homeless shelter $0.00 dollars
Having Michelle Obama Serve you your soup $0.00 dollars
Snapping a picture of a homeless person who is receiving government funded meal while taking a picture of the first lady using his $500 Black Berry cell phone $$$$ Priceless
hilarious
Guess what, dudes a volunteer.
Ian a volunteerist too!
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The infighting is going to destroy the purpose of liberty activity
And once again it will be the people trying to work within the hilariously broken system to do it.
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So I tried to register as a homeless person
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I immediately pulled out my blackberry
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C5VMt0Sqis0/Simt41by3-I/AAAAAAAABBY/qdN4vkAWo3k/s400/2.jpeg)
Cost of a bowl of soup at homeless shelter $0.00 dollars
Having Michelle Obama Serve you your soup $0.00 dollars
Snapping a picture of a homeless person who is receiving government funded meal while taking a picture of the first lady using his $500 Black Berry cell phone $$$$ Priceless
That white guy in the back of the photo looks SOOOOO pissed.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19600.msg312721#msg312721
I can't remember ever being anything but cordial to minarchist allies/friends.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
max is a dick that acts like a zombie and looks like a psychopath and he doesn't like anyone dissing his little town of Seabrook. Max can go fuck a cactus.
Property as in your house, your car, your lawn....sure....but when it comes to a living breathing thing, I draw the line.
you draw the line in a lot of places so I hear, fucking hack.
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So far I hate everyone that Anton has dissed, so that's good with me.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19600.msg312721#msg312721
I can't remember ever being anything but cordial to minarchist allies/friends.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Property as in your house, your car, your lawn....sure....but when it comes to a living breathing thing, I draw the line.
you draw the line in a lot of places so I hear, fucking hack.
And, Denis, you know I'm really thin-skinned and comments like this just rip my heart out. It bothers me so when some people don't like me. :shock:
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Of course, this is tied to the internet. I can't remember ever being anything but cordial to minarchist allies/friends.
I appreciate selective quoting. It makes for good fake drama.
I appreciate being reminded of my flaws such as not finishing sentences. I believe most people understood that I was speaking about being polite to those who disagree with me in real life. I'd love to meet the minarchist in real life that I've been impolite to. I've hung out with Keith and Stuff, MaxxOccupancy, and other minarchists that I've vehemently disagreed with and remained friendly. I was friendly enough to believe that going to the statehouse for something Denis had to do was a good thing for liberty. I even drove a few people. I'm so horrible lol.
As I've mentioned in another post, I don't consider the internet serious business.
Max might have to ask me in real life my opinion on him fucking a cactus. I'd probably still tell him he should, but in that case, it'd be him asking for my opinion instead of me being impolite to him. I have told him in real life that I thought he was a liar and was quite often over exaggerating.
Glad to see you still love me Denis.
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Glad to see you still love me Denis.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/digitalicing/art/valentines-ill-love-you-forever.gif)
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awww thanks Denis :oops:
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Kurt is free. I wonder if he will still need to use a wheel chair.
http://freekeene.com/2009/11/19/kurt-released/
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sure hope not.
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I think it's sad that a self-proclaimed anarchist involved in the free state movement hasn't paid me the money that they owe me, and hasn't even bothered to reply to me.
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I think it's sad that a self-proclaimed anarchist involved in the free state movement hasn't paid me the money that they owe me, and hasn't even bothered to reply to me.
Yeah, that doesn't look good for anarchists in general.. I'm sorry that has happened to you, I have another anarchist that owes me money, oh well.
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Yeah, that doesn't look good for anarchists in general.. I'm sorry that has happened to you, I have another anarchist that owes me money, oh well.
I have a couple of government lovers who owe me money, and two parties full of people who think it is okay to take from me against my wishes. I think there's plenty of values issues to go around.
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BUT WAT ABOUT BONERJOE!!?
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/307/foampanelsinstalledmain.jpg)
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/3203966507_30f44437c0.jpg)
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I think it's sad that a self-proclaimed anarchist involved in the free state movement hasn't paid me the money that they owe me, and hasn't even bothered to reply to me.
What is keeping you from naming the person? Hope of collecting the debt?
I am struggling to be as polite as I can here.
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Maybe even that would seem too gauche for you, but I imagine that there is some price point at which you would cast aside your manners.
My politeness will continue to dissipate as the debt ages.
At this point, it's not really about the money. It's about how I can't even trust someone that supposedly believes in a doctrine of ultimate personal responsibility to make good on paying me back.
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who the fuck is it. . . ostracize!
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Damnit, it's me. I'm an asshole.
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Thank god. I was afraid it was me. I was pretty trashed the one time I met BJ in person...
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:lol:
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I have been made whole. Thank you.
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I spoke to Rick Van Wickler today, with Ian, Smeg and Sam, and he said that Kurt received a great deal of treatment while in their "care", including a CAT scan and MRI. The doctors for all of their testing and prodding could find nothing wrong with Kurt. The word malingering was dropped.
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The doctors for all of their testing and prodding could find nothing wrong with Kurt.
Thanks for helping to steal more from the citizens of NH, Kurt! Being forced to be under their care while injured by one of their drones is one thing, lying about being hurt and causing the State to spend more money is another.
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The doctors for all of their testing and prodding could find nothing wrong with Kurt.
Thanks for helping to steal more from the citizens of NH, Kurt! Being forced to be under their care while injured by one of their drones is one thing, lying about being hurt and causing the State to spend more money is another.
I am only relaying what was said in the meeting. You choose to believe Van Wickler over Kurt at your own peril.
One can also use your argument for Kurt going to jail at all. With his antics in the court room one would have to assume that jail was Kurt's goal. Your logic is a slippery slope. Part of the Keeniac's plan seems to be to make the enforcement of stupid laws too arduous to maintain. Weighing down the system with medical costs is only another means to that end.
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You choose to believe Van Wickler over Kurt at your own peril.
From what I've been reading, Kurt is not a very trustworthy individual.
Is Kurt still in a wheelchair? Did he immediately go to the emergency room of the nearest hospital to get treated after release? No?
I guess I'll be the bad guy and go with the State's evidence on this one.
As far as weighing down the system goes, that does nothing if the judges involved are out on a mission to punish "us". It only raises property taxes.
How many people in jail would it take to start to make a difference in changing the judges minds by public pressure to reduce costs? A dozen? A hundred? A thousand?
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You choose to believe Van Wickler over Kurt at your own peril.
From what I've been reading, Kurt is not a very trustworthy individual.
Is Kurt still in a wheelchair? Did he immediately go to the emergency room of the nearest hospital to get treated after release? No?
I guess I'll be the bad guy and go with the State's evidence on this one.
As far as weighing down the system goes, that does nothing if the judges involved are out on a mission to punish "us". It only raises property taxes.
How many people in jail would it take to start to make a difference in changing the judges minds by public pressure to reduce costs? A dozen? A hundred? A thousand?
I am certainly not the one to defend this position. I am for what works, and this tactic has not been shown conclusively to work. If it does, great, but don't expect me to go to jail. I have a family.
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Is Kurt still in a wheelchair? Did he immediately go to the emergency room of the nearest hospital to get treated after release? No?
Pizza is more important.
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I spoke to Rick Van Wickler today, with Ian, Smeg and Sam, and he said that Kurt received a great deal of treatment while in their "care", including a CAT scan and MRI. The doctors for all of their testing and prodding could find nothing wrong with Kurt. The word malingering was dropped.
You choose to believe Van Wickler over Kurt at your own peril.
Wait a minute... that would mean that all the people whose hearts were bleeding every night at the candlelight vigils were...
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... wait for it ...
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chumps
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Lets have a candlelight vigil for all the wasted candles.
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Lets have a candlelight vigil for all the wasted candles.
Lol
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of course, you're still missing the point that someone went to jail because he asked another person to use their manners.
Kurt was there because he was assaulted and kidnapped by someone claiming authority. He was then tried by someone else claiming authority. Both instances the authority is illegitimate.
but that's okay. Holding a candle in front of a bureaucrat's house. .. not? I get it.
assault = ok.
candles = not ok
the liberty movement rules.
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Kurt was there because he was assaulted and kidnapped by someone claiming authority. He was then tried by someone else claiming authority. Both instances the authority is illegitimate.
They have de facto authority.
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of course, you're still missing the point that someone went to jail because he asked another person to use their manners.
Kurt was there because he was assaulted and kidnapped by someone claiming authority. He was then tried by someone else claiming authority. Both instances the authority is illegitimate.
but that's okay. Holding a candle in front of a bureaucrat's house. .. not? I get it.
assault = ok.
candles = not ok
the liberty movement rules.
No. Someone was in jail because he thought he can be a smart ass and get in a pissing contest with a judge.
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Someone was in jail because he thought he can be a smart ass and get in a pissing contest with a judge.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
(http://www.8bitreview.com/blog/files/russ_winner.jpg)
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I think it's sad that a self-proclaimed anarchist involved in the free state movement hasn't paid me the money that they owe me, and hasn't even bothered to reply to me.
Yeah, that doesn't look good for anarchists in general.. I'm sorry that has happened to you, I have another anarchist that owes me money, oh well.
Look good for anarchists in general? Anarchist, terrorist and cop killer are likely on the same level in the minds of many.
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Anarchist, terrorist and cop killer are likely on the same level in the minds of many.
Until they get to know someone like me... who helps out in the town, volunteers, and is generally pleasant and respectful of other people... and who mentions he's an "anarchist" only when someone finally gets around to asking for his political philosophy.
See, the people who try to shove their philosophy down everyones' throats -- with a bullhorn on the public square -- are clearly nutcakes. Not the way to win hearts and minds.
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I see a lot of people acting like nutcakes on the public square. Drug addled miscreants who are conspicuously gathered in groups during work hours, acting in a boisterous manner and frightening the passers-by. A girl holding a wilted flower and crying in the rain. A skinny man with greasy hair, masturbating furiously with a hand missing three fingers. A dwarf pulling a rickshaw piled high with chickens in wooden cages. A man blowing fireballs like a circus geek, wearing a stove-pipe tophat and blinking suspenders. I wouldn't care to take the advice of any of them.
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... Drug addled miscreants who are conspicuously gathered in groups during work hours, acting in a boisterous manner and frightening the passers-by. A girl holding a wilted flower and crying in the rain. A skinny man with greasy hair, masturbating furiously with a hand missing three fingers. A dwarf pulling a rickshaw piled high with chickens in wooden cages. A man blowing fireballs like a circus geek, wearing a stove-pipe tophat and blinking suspenders. ...
This sounds like a Twilight Zone episode lead-in with Rod Serling smoking the cigarette.
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See, the people who try to shove their philosophy down everyones' throats -- with a bullhorn on the public square -- are clearly nutcakes. Not the way to win hearts and minds.
I doubt you will get anything helpful out of using that term. All it will do it hurt you.
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Denis thinks by calling fellow liberty lovers names that it will help to achieve freedom. This is why he's on ignore.
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If there really was a guy with blinking suspenders and blowing fireballs Id totally pay to see that!
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If there really was a guy with blinking suspenders and blowing fireballs Id totally pay to see that!
Step this way to the Great Egress! Step lively, young fellow. The Great Egress awaits!
Only five cents to bask in the splendor of the much acclaimed Great Egress!
Prepare to be amazed!
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See, the people who try to shove their philosophy down everyones' throats -- with a bullhorn on the public square -- are clearly nutcakes. Not the way to win hearts and minds.
I doubt you will get anything helpful out of using that term. All it will do it hurt you.
If I thought that, of course, I wouldn't use it.
Many of the people I interact with self-identify as pro-peace/anti-war/pro-environment/anti-corporatist kinda people. I share many of their beliefs, except I think very few of them really see the connection between government action and threats of violence. If they do make that connection, they may be much more libertarian than the typical "small-government Republican" types. And for better or for worse, lots of people in NH politics think "libertarian" means "dope-smoking Republican". That's not really a good approximation, and it misses the key aspect of the NAP.
The meme that "government is violence" is the meme I most want to spread in NH culture. It's why I end every episode of Capitol Access with, "and remember, no matter what the problem is, the solution is not the guns of government!"
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I see a lot of people acting like nutcakes on the public square. Drug addled miscreants who are conspicuously gathered in groups during work hours, acting in a boisterous manner and frightening the passers-by. A girl holding a wilted flower and crying in the rain. A skinny man with greasy hair, masturbating furiously with a hand missing three fingers. A dwarf pulling a rickshaw piled high with chickens in wooden cages. A man blowing fireballs like a circus geek, wearing a stove-pipe tophat and blinking suspenders. I wouldn't care to take the advice of any of them.
If this is what's going on in your town I'm interested in moving there.
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I'm fairly certain that most people wouldn't consider "nutcake" to be such a devastating insult that they would refuse to have anything more to do with the liberty movement. If there are people like that, then I guess nutcake would be a suitable word to describe them.
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How could this have been missed?
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?&topic=1786.0
The Jackboot Wars...
hahaha
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How could this have been missed?
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No women
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=k53p2mpuotjjuv1pqiiq74s8o1&topic=1786.0
Dude posted his PHPSESSID
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Would you like me to inform you of your checking account balance now, or after I withdraw from it?
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=k53p2mpuotjjuv1pqiiq74s8o1&topic=1786.0
Dude posted his PHPSESSID
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Would you like me to inform you of your checking account balance now, or after I withdraw from it?
hahaha...funny
wasn't my session...
did you forget I was banned from there?
hahaha...
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did you forget I was banned from there?
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You got banned from the place a few months before I voluntarily left. And about 6 months before I had to banninate you from the NHLA Forum. Good times! :)
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http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091202/GJNEWS_01/712029957
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So, let's say he didn't do it...is he a better man for pleading guilty, or standing trial knowing he's gonna likely lose. Could very well be a pissed off ex. I dunno.
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I can only hope that he didn't do it and just chose to plead guilty....vs. the alternative.
But......if I HAD to bet on it......
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For the record I always thought he was a little creepy.
^ this
I just didn't want to be the first one to say it in the forums. :shock:
I was thinking about the vindictive ex-wife theory and how she could have done this to better her result in the divorce. Did they even own a house? I don't think there was anything TO split as far as assets go. The only debate would be over custody. I would agree that some parents might stretch the truth about the other parent's anger, or drinking to better their outcome in a custody battle - but I find it hard to think that someone would allow the man they married - the father of her child (or children) - to go to jail for child molestation to 10 years....just to get a better custody deal. Not saying it doesn't ever happen - but as much as many people dislike or down right hate their ex, they usually won't go to such extremes. Even if she initially made accusations, I have a hard time thinking someone could follow through to the point of prison time and basically ruining his life unless something did happen.
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For the record I always thought he was a little creepy.
^ this
I just didn't want to be the first one to say it in the forums. :shock:
I was thinking about the vindictive ex-wife theory and how she could have done this to better her result in the divorce. Did they even own a house? I don't think there was anything TO split as far as assets go. The only debate would be over custody. I would agree that some parents might stretch the truth about the other parent's anger, or drinking to better their outcome in a custody battle - but I find it hard to think that someone would allow the man they married - the father of her child (or children) - to go to jail for child molestation to 10 years....just to get a better custody deal. Not saying it doesn't ever happen - but as much as many people dislike or down right hate their ex, they usually won't go to such extremes. Even if she initially made accusations, I have a hard time thinking someone could follow through to the point of prison time and basically ruining his life unless something did happen.
I am not informed on his case, and can't speak to it. But if say an ex-wife makes accusations and then the situation goes farther than they imagine and the guy ends up with 10 years, then fear on her part plays a big role. Will she be charged and have to go to jail? What will happen to her children? Will he be so angry that he wants to hurt her? Will a judge give him custody as a result? How will she pay for defending herself in court? What will people think of her? I can say definitively that there is no small amount of men in prison that claim these sorts of things happen. My favorite story is: the guy takes the drunk driving rap for his girlfriend (it later turns into Vehicular Homicide) and gets ten years. Shortly after he gets the sentence signed sealed and delivered, she stops writing and can't afford the phone calls anymore. Wouldn't you know it, some friends of his see a friend of his consoling her on multiple occasions.
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I have a hard time thinking someone could follow through to the point of prison time and basically ruining his life unless something did happen.
I bet it happens all the time.
As for this time... I would have no way of knowing. Like I said, I just got a creepy vibe from this guy, but not that creepy.
/shrug
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I have a hard time thinking someone could follow through to the point of prison time and basically ruining his life unless something did happen.
I bet it happens all the time.
As for this time... I would have no way of knowing. Like I said, I just got a creepy vibe from this guy, but not that creepy.
/shrug
It's not in the wife's self-interest to have him sent away for 10 to 30 years (or 25 to life if he hadn't cut a deal) when it guarantees that she loses his income / child support for all those years.
Beside, he now admits to touching the 3-year old's genitals. He just claims that he was he applying a "doctor-prescribed lotion". :roll:
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Denis, you put a creepy vibe when I met you in person. Comon.
But yeah, this is one of those libertarian fantasy situations. Do you believe the stories of a very young child without any physical proof? Or do we just continue to let crazy women coach their children into saying daddy abused them because of their intense hatred for their ex?
I dunno, pleading or not he would have been fucked, because there's really no way you're going to convince a jury. Because even I'm inclined to believe the kid. However, I would like the kid to be evaluated by some kind of experienced independant "truth finding" psychologist to see if the kid can keep their story straight.
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He just claims that he was he applying a "doctor-prescribed lotion". :roll:
Why the eye roll? Was there a prescription or not?
Possible chain of events:
1) Mom takes kid to doctor for something wrong with her vajayjay. Daddy applies cream once or twice while mom is busy doing other shit.
2) Kid remembers it because it was uncofortable and sort of burned.
3) Mom, thinking of a way to coerce child support payments asks 2 years later "Did daddy ever touch you down there?" "Yeeeeeeeesh...."
Yeah, it's a stretch. But whatever.
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Beside, he now admits to touching the 3-year old's genitals. He just claims that he was he applying a "doctor-prescribed lotion". :roll:
I've done that. It happens.
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If there really had been a prescription, his defense would have been a slam dunk. The pharmacy would have a record. The doctor would have a file.
Instead of offering that very real and simple defense, he agreed to 10 to 30 years in prison, where child molestors are reportedly treated very badly by other prisoners.
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For the record I always thought he was a little creepy.
^ this
I just didn't want to be the first one to say it in the forums. :shock:
I was thinking about the vindictive ex-wife theory and how she could have done this to better her result in the divorce. Did they even own a house? I don't think there was anything TO split as far as assets go. The only debate would be over custody. I would agree that some parents might stretch the truth about the other parent's anger, or drinking to better their outcome in a custody battle - but I find it hard to think that someone would allow the man they married - the father of her child (or children) - to go to jail for child molestation to 10 years....just to get a better custody deal. Not saying it doesn't ever happen - but as much as many people dislike or down right hate their ex, they usually won't go to such extremes. Even if she initially made accusations, I have a hard time thinking someone could follow through to the point of prison time and basically ruining his life unless something did happen.
I am not informed on his case, and can't speak to it. But if say an ex-wife makes accusations and then the situation goes farther than they imagine and the guy ends up with 10 years, then fear on her part plays a big role. Will she be charged and have to go to jail? What will happen to her children? Will he be so angry that he wants to hurt her? Will a judge give him custody as a result? How will she pay for defending herself in court? What will people think of her? I can say definitively that there is no small amount of men in prison that claim these sorts of things happen. My favorite story is: the guy takes the drunk driving rap for his girlfriend (it later turns into Vehicular Homicide) and gets ten years. Shortly after he gets the sentence signed sealed and delivered, she stops writing and can't afford the phone calls anymore. Wouldn't you know it, some friends of his see a friend of his consoling her on multiple occasions.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/044188.html
http://www.freedominourtime.blogspot.com/
the goon-squad thugsters have never proven themselves to be trustworthy...
our bet is that they told him that they would arrest, convict, and send away his ex also...if he didn't plead out...
then his children would become wards of the state, to be adopted out and subsequently abused by foster care-takers...
maybe they could just be sent to live with a priest or preacher or minister...cause they're always upstanding care-takers of Jesus's little ones...
seriously, these are the same people who shot Vicki and Sammy Weaver and roasted the folks at WACO...
these are the same people who pursued and locked up Bill Benson, Larkin Rose, Irwin Schiff, Sherry Jackson, etc...
these are the same people who remotely pilot killer drones over foreign sovereign territories to blow-up homes, businesses, churches, and people...
never never never put anything past them
They wanted Tim worse than they wanted Randy Weaver...
and they found a way to get at him and get him and make him an example to others to perpetuate their fear factor and terror tactic...
Look at what they are doing to Brad Jardis...
Brad needs to quit being a jackboot before he suffers friendly fire or ends up being set-up or conveniently in the wrong place at the wrong time...
Remember, these thugsters are ruthless and they will become even more ruthless as their time expires...
enjoy!
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seriously, these are the same people who shot Vicki and Sammy Weaver and roasted the folks at WACO...
these are the same people who pursued and locked up Bill Benson, Larkin Rose, Irwin Schiff, Sherry Jackson, etc...
these are the same people who remotely pilot killer drones over foreign sovereign territories to blow-up homes, businesses, churches, and people...
Except... they're not, are they?
You don't have a clue how trustworthy the people in question are.
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eh, seems to me if he weren't guilty, he wouldn't have pled guilty. Yes, they might have put a lot of pressure for him to plead guilty, but what's worse: maintaining your innocence and being in prison but having a chance to eventually prove your innocence and make things up to your family or being in prison for only 10 years and having everyone think you're a pedophile? The fact that his only concern was that being in prison 25 to life would be scary makes me think....yea, probably guilty.
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eh, seems to me if he weren't guilty, he wouldn't have pled guilty. Yes, they might have put a lot of pressure for him to plead guilty, but what's worse: maintaining your innocence and being in prison but having a chance to eventually prove your innocence and make things up to your family or being in prison for only 10 years and having everyone think you're a pedophile? The fact that his only concern was that being in prison 25 to life would be scary makes me think....yea, probably guilty.
perhaps you did not understand correctly...
Tim stepped up to the plate for his kids...
Tim took the bullet to spare his children...
One would hope that you would do the same for your children...
Perhaps we should consult with the Honorable Denis Goddard regarding what bullets and trains he would step in front of...to protect his chitlins...
enjoy!
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seriously, these are the same people who shot Vicki and Sammy Weaver and roasted the folks at WACO...
these are the same people who pursued and locked up Bill Benson, Larkin Rose, Irwin Schiff, Sherry Jackson, etc...
these are the same people who remotely pilot killer drones over foreign sovereign territories to blow-up homes, businesses, churches, and people...
Except... they're not, are they?
You don't have a clue how trustworthy the people in question are.
Re: BEWARE!!! HR45 Blair Holt Firearms Legislation
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45
Hi All,
Wow, where to begin.
This type of email continues to circulate regard this, and other, registration/confiscation type legislative
introductions. With respect to HR45 you'll notice it was introduced by Bobby Rush from the People's Republic of Chicago.
Bobby Rush was a Black Panther. He has never been a friend to anyone wanting to keep gold or guns. He likes the Chicago
machine that paid him and his cohorts in gold, guns, and bureaucratic positions though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Rush
Bobby Rush is a friend of Barrack Obama and Rham Emanuel. Again, the Chicago machine continues the looting of downstate
for the benefit of Chicago while at the same time extending and furthering that looting to the national and
international levels they so desire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel
Then there are others like the Bushes and Clintons who are figureheads in the machine and who are known drug-runners and
drug-profiteers. Papa Bush through his time in the CIA, Baby Bush openly sharing cocaine on the streets of Austin, and
the Clintons with all the death and destruction surrounding their activities with Barry Seal and others in Mena,
Arkansas and the White House. You will remember that Marine Oliver North figured prominently in what little that was
revealed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mena_Arkansas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Seal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Foster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton
Now you'll be thinking that they won't declare Martial Law and that they won't put military assets to domestic use and
that they won't call in United Nations Peace-Keeping Forces/Mercenaries(Blue Helmets) from foreign lands.
How'd that work out for the Japanese and Koreans and Vietnamese and Lebanese and Somalis and Iraqis and Afghanis and
Pakistanis and the Branch Dividians and the Indianapolis Baptist Temple and Irwin Schiff and Sherry Peel Jackson?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001-present)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan#1979:_Soviet_deployment
(included this subsection link for quick access to commentary by Zbigniew_Brzezinski)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
(this guy is one of the most dangerous people alive...global-elite money-master genocide-orchestrator)
(Zbigniew could eat Hillary for breakfast, Barack for lunch, Cheney for dinner, and Oprah for an evening snack)
(anyone and everyone around this man should be considered armed, dangerous, on his payroll, and at his service)
anywho, back to the links...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism_in_Pakistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Baptist_Temple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Schiff
http://www.sherrypeeljackson.com/
http://irwinschiff.homestead.com/POWaddresses.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peltier
There are millions of additional web-pages in hundreds of languages that detail human rights abuses and genocides
extensively.
We will leave you with these thoughts:
There are only two types of human beings
One type just wants everyone to leave everyone else alone
The other type refuses to do so while they still breathe
One type knows that an armed society is a polite one and fences make good neighbors
The other type wants their victims unarmed and helpless and refuses to acknowledge or respect Life, Liberty, or Property
hey...once you're shackled, imprisoned, and/or murdered...kinda hard to do much of anything then...
but then again...Adolph gave plenty of showers to the jews, handicapped, and elderly...
showers and napalm yesterday...Predators and Reapers and Warriors today...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1_Predator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-9_Reaper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1C_Warrior
training the children of today for the murders and genocides of tomorrow...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429l13dS6kQ
enjoy!
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eh, seems to me if he weren't guilty, he wouldn't have pled guilty. Yes, they might have put a lot of pressure for him to plead guilty, but what's worse: maintaining your innocence and being in prison but having a chance to eventually prove your innocence and make things up to your family or being in prison for only 10 years and having everyone think you're a pedophile? The fact that his only concern was that being in prison 25 to life would be scary makes me think....yea, probably guilty.
perhaps you did not understand correctly...
Tim stepped up to the plate for his kids...
Tim took the bullet to spare his children...
One would hope that you would do the same for your children...
Except not if he's molesting them. But that has already apparently been judged an impossible occurrence. I've interacted with people who have been molested by their parents. It really fucks them up. If Logsdon really were going to bat for his kids, he would never have pled guilty, regardless of the threats...unless he actually did it.
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Skeletons don't sleep
http://nhcaptv.com/episode/80
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eh, seems to me if he weren't guilty, he wouldn't have pled guilty. Yes, they might have put a lot of pressure for him to plead guilty, but what's worse: maintaining your innocence and being in prison but having a chance to eventually prove your innocence and make things up to your family or being in prison for only 10 years and having everyone think you're a pedophile? The fact that his only concern was that being in prison 25 to life would be scary makes me think....yea, probably guilty.
perhaps you did not understand correctly...
Tim stepped up to the plate for his kids...
Tim took the bullet to spare his children...
One would hope that you would do the same for your children...
Except not if he's molesting them. But that has already apparently been judged an impossible occurrence. I've interacted with people who have been molested by their parents. It really fucks them up. If Logsdon really were going to bat for his kids, he would never have pled guilty, regardless of the threats...unless he actually did it.
Innocent until proven guilty
Give others the benefit of any doubt
Always suspect anyone/everyone from the GUNvernment
Know that for hundreds of years the GUNvernment has engaged in clandestined efforts and activities regardless of honesty and/or morality
Until you have personally been smashed by the state and beaten by the GUNvernment goon-squad enforcers...do not ever talk to those who have...like it never happens...
Anyone desiring to seek out authenticated proof of these perpetrators and their techniques and their assaults and transgressions...finds it easily on the interwebs...
by your logic, how could we ever truly determine whether or not you did...or didn't...have sexual relations with one or more of your roommates from porc manor...
if any one of them should claim that you did...would you rather we take your version...or theirs...
of course, you'll reply that you could care less what they say or claim...and that it wouldn't make a difference one way or another...
at least until you find out that someone made a decision regarding you(employment/membership/relationship/whatever) based on their version of your sexcapades...
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/names.png)
hey, we like peas too!
enjoy!
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did you forget I was banned from there?
You must have never tried coming back.
Dalebert set your ban for 2 weeks when he implemented it. It has been up since mid April.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/e5pusz.jpg)
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You are aware that the Black Panthers were most decidedly pro-gun, right?
Someone here posted a pic in a thread of Black Panthers exercising their right to open-carry in California - which led to Governor Reagan signing a bill that made it illegal in CA.
Also, will someone let me know what the fuck is wrong with the latest Call of Duty game already?
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The NHFree nuts are making the predictable supportive comments about Logsdon. Maybe they can take up a collection for him so he can start a Free State daycare center when he gets out.
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Yea, because you know nowadays saying your guilty is like saying you're innocent. It's just using a different word to do so.
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Yea, because you know nowadays saying your guilty is like saying you're innocent. It's just using a different word to do so.
If the man, you know, the evil GOVERNMENT "man", says you're guilty, that's what makes you truly innocent.
But it's OK because only when you are willing to be imprisoned are you truly free, man.
Wanna go smoke dope in the town square? There's gonna be a drum circle....
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Wanna go smoke dope in the town square? There's gonna be a drum circl
Well, I was going to say no...but since you mentioned the drum circle, what the hell! Why not? I can't resit a good drum circle!
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AnarchoJesse is gangsta.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2154.15
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Turning his back and burning some bridges I see.
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AnarchoJesse is a stupid fucking idiot. Someone put him in a fucking group home already. Jesus Fucking Christ. What is this? The third? Fourth incident with Jesse involving guns? For the love of God will someone please disarm that fucking jackass.
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For the love of God will someone please disarm that fucking jackass.
That wouldn't be very free marketeerish.
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then pay that fucking asshole. The guy is a fucking idiot and he's a menace. The motherfucker is going to shoot someone someday because of his stupidity.
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then pay that fucking asshole. The guy is a fucking idiot and he's a menace. The motherfucker is going to shoot someone someday because of his stupidity.
THIS IS WHY WE NEED GOVERNMENT
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AnarchoJesse
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2154.msg25105#msg25105
On the suggestion of a close friend and someone who personally has grievances against me, I'm writing out an account of what happened, a response to the grievances people have against me (which I will not deny for a moment as legitimate), and a short respone as to why I said what I said at the arraignment.
First what occured the other night, and the aftermath of it: myself, Ryan, and a local were sitting in my apartment when we heard a cry out "help!". We all looked at each other and went quiet for a moment, but after a moment, we heard more cries for "help!". Ryan and our guest ran outside, but I thought "Oh god, someone is getting hurt" (I watched the video, and when it sounds like I said "I was mugged" I was just choking because of the stress and I was trying to say "a guy was mugged", which is factual. Several people on Church Street might also be aware of a similar case happening to a Free Stater not too long ago) and decided to grab the .22 just in case we needed a deterant. I took out the magazine, and I checked the chamber (no rounds in it), and I ran outside onto the porch. I was holding the rifle in a manner like some of you in the mlitary might recall when standing watch-- the barrel pointed the ground at a slant with it pulled against your chest, stock diagnoal across your arm. I couldn't see anything, so I walked to the side of our house where the side street is (Gurnsey), and I saw two figures in the dark. I called out "Hey whats going on" or something to that nature, but I never shifted position of the rifle. I tried to adjust my eyes to the dark as quickly as I could, but as soon as I had, I realized what the situation was-- it was a cop arresting Stone. The cop drew his firearm, pointed it at me, and said "drop the firearm!" I said "Oh, shit" threw the rifle into the snow several feet away from me, dropped to my knees and placed my hands behind my head. I called out "I think there has been a huge misunderstanding! I thought someone was being attacked!" (libertarian semantics aside). I complied with all orders he gave me. They plaed me in cuffs, I did not resist, and when they told me to stand, I did. I asked if I was under arrest, and the officer replied, "you're in cuffs, aren't you?"
When I was in the squad car, the cop just took me straight to Westmoreland. I asked him if I was going to be processed, if I could speak to a lawyer, what my charge was, and what his badge number was, over and over again. After a while, I was just so agitated and said "You know, in other countries, when cops get out of hand people burn cops cars, slash their tires, all sorts of stuff. You get by so easy despite your atrocities". At another point, I asked him why he arrested me and he said "you came at me with a gun". I replied with a reasoned response, but I tacked on "besides, if you sign up to shoot other people, you don't deserve sympathy when you're shot". He twisted this as me threatening him. I never got to speak to a lawyer, and they never got my ID or fingerprints.
I did not sleep at all that night-- I was already out on PR for bail jumping, and getting into trouble meant jail time; frankly, that isn't too appealing to me on Christmas, especially considering I had just tried to do the right thing. I spent all night writing, recalling the events, and I was eventually told that I would have a video arraignment. I hadn't slept in over 24 hours when that happened. I was stressed out, I was tired, and I just couldn't believe this incredible stroke of bad luck. I broke down because it just seemed so inhuman, and I felt like I was only being targeted because I was in their minds associated with Free Keene. I wanted them to understand that my actions that night had nothing to do with activism or what I might have said, and I didn't honestly want to be martyred and spend Christmas in jail. It wasn't a slight against any of you: most of you are great people, and I would intend no sort of disrespect, because I'm trying to repair my relationships, not further damage them.
To those of you who feel I shouldn't have paid bail, I have bills to pay and debts to make good on. I can't do that in a cage, and I wasn't honestly inclined to stay over something that I had been victimized over. Ian pays his taxes, I pay bails. We all can only take it so far. To look down on me for trying to live within my means is plain hypocritical.
I do owe people money and I have taken advantage of the kindness and help of others-- I was careless and impulsive, not thinking the damage I would have done. This is something that I have an issue with: sometimes I think about things and about the results of me doing them, somtimes I do things without regards to the consequences. I don't think I'm genuinely selfish or malicious, I just make bad decisions and don't even realise the damage I've done until I've hurt people in the worst way.
I do have a bad temper, and it is something I've been tyring to work with and repair. I can't afford to see a therapist or someone who can help get over this awful personality streak I have, and I doubt anyone wants me to load my problems that I grapple with and for a while I'll do great... but then.... everything crashes and I lose sight of bettering myself.
Yes, I did Shaunna wrong. I was dishonest and hurtful in a way I'd never been before. Inexcusable as my actions are, I made bad, hurtful decisions that I regret-- Shaunna is an incredible human being, and even though I didn't feel anything like I had earlier for her (I made a costly mistake in embellishing my feelings and self, but I did care very much for her), she didn't deserve what happened to her. I don't know what I can do to fix what happened now, and I doubt I'll ever earn from Shaunna any amount of respect, but I'm aware I fucked up big time, and I am genuinely ashamed of myself. But I've been trying with everything I can muster to amend for that by living better than that. I know of no way to try and repair the damage I've done faster and more effectively than simply trying to do the right thing now. If I could turn back time and avoid making all the mistakes I did and avoid doing all the damage I did, I would do it in a heartbeat. Many of you did not deserve to treated like I treated you.
I am trying my best to make amends and pay my debts. I'm poor. I Tried to do the pizza business, but it collapsed, and not for a lack of trying-- we simply made bad decisions that were expensive decisions. In the end, it didn't sustain itself. Now, I'm faced with getting a wage paying job, and thats OK because I want to make good before I finally leave here-- which has been a plan of mine for a while. I don't think I've done much good, but I at the very least want to leave with the reputation that my debts are paid, even if late.
You all have been more than kind to me. I'm just having a hard time getting on the right track.
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Gee...173 pages...I just wanted to find out what happened to William Walker (Bill from Tennessee, IRC.) Dude was going to open a restaurant, I think, and got hassled by the local good ol' boys club. Then, of course, there was the stuff way back at the beginning of this thread. Anyway, I can't seem to find out what happened to him after he got arrested. I thought I'd find out here, but I don't think I'm going to go through 173 pages.
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Is that the Bill Walker?
Check here for legal stuff on him:
http://www.nhclog.org/
The website for the restaurant is gone.
http://www.ivysspiceoflife.com/
When is Ivy having the baby?
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FYI, there are three -- count them, three Free-Staters in NH named "Bill Walker"
To make matters even more like a bad Shakespeare play, two of them are chemists.
If only one of them would dress up like a woman, we'd totally be in Bard country...
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FYI, there are three -- count them, three Free-Staters in NH named "Bill Walker"
To make matters even more like a bad Shakespeare play, two of them are chemists.
If only one of them would dress up like a woman, we'd totally be in Bard country...
And don't two of them live in Grafton?
From what I heard, Sharon's baby was born back in the earlier part of December.
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Jesse paid me back my money two fold. Thank you Jesse.
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AnarchoJesse
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2154.msg25105#msg25105
On the suggestion of a close friend and someone who personally has grievances against me, I'm writing out an account of what happened, a response to the grievances people have against me (which I will not deny for a moment as legitimate), and a short respone as to why I said what I said at the arraignment.
First what occured the other night, and the aftermath of it: myself, Ryan, and a local were sitting in my apartment when we heard a cry out "help!". We all looked at each other and went quiet for a moment, but after a moment, we heard more cries for "help!". Ryan and our guest ran outside, but I thought "Oh god, someone is getting hurt" (I watched the video, and when it sounds like I said "I was mugged" I was just choking because of the stress and I was trying to say "a guy was mugged", which is factual. Several people on Church Street might also be aware of a similar case happening to a Free Stater not too long ago) and decided to grab the .22 just in case we needed a deterant. I took out the magazine, and I checked the chamber (no rounds in it), and I ran outside onto the porch. I was holding the rifle in a manner like some of you in the mlitary might recall when standing watch-- the barrel pointed the ground at a slant with it pulled against your chest, stock diagnoal across your arm. I couldn't see anything, so I walked to the side of our house where the side street is (Gurnsey), and I saw two figures in the dark. I called out "Hey whats going on" or something to that nature, but I never shifted position of the rifle. I tried to adjust my eyes to the dark as quickly as I could, but as soon as I had, I realized what the situation was-- it was a cop arresting Stone. The cop drew his firearm, pointed it at me, and said "drop the firearm!" I said "Oh, shit" threw the rifle into the snow several feet away from me, dropped to my knees and placed my hands behind my head. I called out "I think there has been a huge misunderstanding! I thought someone was being attacked!" (libertarian semantics aside). I complied with all orders he gave me. They plaed me in cuffs, I did not resist, and when they told me to stand, I did. I asked if I was under arrest, and the officer replied, "you're in cuffs, aren't you?"
When I was in the squad car, the cop just took me straight to Westmoreland. I asked him if I was going to be processed, if I could speak to a lawyer, what my charge was, and what his badge number was, over and over again. After a while, I was just so agitated and said "You know, in other countries, when cops get out of hand people burn cops cars, slash their tires, all sorts of stuff. You get by so easy despite your atrocities". At another point, I asked him why he arrested me and he said "you came at me with a gun". I replied with a reasoned response, but I tacked on "besides, if you sign up to shoot other people, you don't deserve sympathy when you're shot". He twisted this as me threatening him. I never got to speak to a lawyer, and they never got my ID or fingerprints.
I did not sleep at all that night-- I was already out on PR for bail jumping, and getting into trouble meant jail time; frankly, that isn't too appealing to me on Christmas, especially considering I had just tried to do the right thing. I spent all night writing, recalling the events, and I was eventually told that I would have a video arraignment. I hadn't slept in over 24 hours when that happened. I was stressed out, I was tired, and I just couldn't believe this incredible stroke of bad luck. I broke down because it just seemed so inhuman, and I felt like I was only being targeted because I was in their minds associated with Free Keene. I wanted them to understand that my actions that night had nothing to do with activism or what I might have said, and I didn't honestly want to be martyred and spend Christmas in jail. It wasn't a slight against any of you: most of you are great people, and I would intend no sort of disrespect, because I'm trying to repair my relationships, not further damage them.
To those of you who feel I shouldn't have paid bail, I have bills to pay and debts to make good on. I can't do that in a cage, and I wasn't honestly inclined to stay over something that I had been victimized over. Ian pays his taxes, I pay bails. We all can only take it so far. To look down on me for trying to live within my means is plain hypocritical.
I do owe people money and I have taken advantage of the kindness and help of others-- I was careless and impulsive, not thinking the damage I would have done. This is something that I have an issue with: sometimes I think about things and about the results of me doing them, somtimes I do things without regards to the consequences. I don't think I'm genuinely selfish or malicious, I just make bad decisions and don't even realise the damage I've done until I've hurt people in the worst way.
I do have a bad temper, and it is something I've been tyring to work with and repair. I can't afford to see a therapist or someone who can help get over this awful personality streak I have, and I doubt anyone wants me to load my problems that I grapple with and for a while I'll do great... but then.... everything crashes and I lose sight of bettering myself.
Yes, I did Shaunna wrong. I was dishonest and hurtful in a way I'd never been before. Inexcusable as my actions are, I made bad, hurtful decisions that I regret-- Shaunna is an incredible human being, and even though I didn't feel anything like I had earlier for her (I made a costly mistake in embellishing my feelings and self, but I did care very much for her), she didn't deserve what happened to her. I don't know what I can do to fix what happened now, and I doubt I'll ever earn from Shaunna any amount of respect, but I'm aware I fucked up big time, and I am genuinely ashamed of myself. But I've been trying with everything I can muster to amend for that by living better than that. I know of no way to try and repair the damage I've done faster and more effectively than simply trying to do the right thing now. If I could turn back time and avoid making all the mistakes I did and avoid doing all the damage I did, I would do it in a heartbeat. Many of you did not deserve to treated like I treated you.
I am trying my best to make amends and pay my debts. I'm poor. I Tried to do the pizza business, but it collapsed, and not for a lack of trying-- we simply made bad decisions that were expensive decisions. In the end, it didn't sustain itself. Now, I'm faced with getting a wage paying job, and thats OK because I want to make good before I finally leave here-- which has been a plan of mine for a while. I don't think I've done much good, but I at the very least want to leave with the reputation that my debts are paid, even if late.
You all have been more than kind to me. I'm just having a hard time getting on the right track.
That guy is so full of shit. Just reading that reminded me of all the manipulative sociopaths who are continually mooching off of other people. Look this asshole up in 20 years and he'll be saying the same fucking thing.
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That guy is so full of shit. Just reading that reminded me of all the manipulative sociopaths who are continually mooching off of other people. Look this asshole up in 20 years and he'll be saying the same fucking thing.
Continuous Manipulative Sociopath. YEP
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FYI, there are three -- count them, three Free-Staters in NH named "Bill Walker"
To make matters even more like a bad Shakespeare play, two of them are chemists.
If only one of them would dress up like a woman, we'd totally be in Bard country...
And don't two of them live in Grafton?
From what I heard, Sharon's baby was born back in the earlier part of December.
Did they put pictures of it on her blog?
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Damn - always catches me off guard when that Sammy Timmons posts!! I have no idea if there are pics....I have better things to do with my time.
Everyone be safe tonite!
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Damn - always catches me off guard when that Sammy Timmons posts!! I have no idea if there are pics....I have better things to do with my time.
Everyone be safe tonite!
Actually I did assume it was you. Can you please change your name to "THE REAL TAMMY SIMMONS", please?
Thank you Tammy :-*
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Horse news update.
Guess there won't be any drama surrounding all this anymore. hurray....
I have it on good authority that the horses are being "surrendered" to whoever will have them. We should have a listing together soon and not sure where we're at with the numbers but from what I hear there are at least 28 still.
McKulley, now's your chance to get BG back, PM me or give me a call if you still have my cell no. I'm going to try to track down your no. too...
Anyone in NH or the surrounding states interested in helping out or who could offer permanent placement, please PM me.
This is great news for the horses without a doubt. I've had knots in my stomach with the frigid weather we've been having and am so looking forward to closure of this case.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4588361#post4588361
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Is that the Bill Walker?
Check here for legal stuff on him:
http://www.nhclog.org/
The website for the restaurant is gone.
http://www.ivysspiceoflife.com/
When is Ivy having the baby?
thanks!
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Horse news update.
Guess there won't be any drama surrounding all this anymore.
Guess again.
The horses moved... but all the people are still around! :shock:
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which is a good thing for the freedom movement. They're good and welcoming people. More than I can say for others in state.
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you must be one of the idiots.
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you must be one of the idiots.
That's Anton Lee, who I assume you love in the same purely sexual way that I do ;)
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you're making me blush
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Wow... I'm honestly, truely and amazingly stricken.
Who Tammy is... When Ivy's Baby is due... When Tim gets out of prison... all of that shit matters to you asshats. Seriously.
175 fucking pages. Wow. Seriously. How many exclamation points do I need to put on that? Wow!
If you were here, in NH, rather than bitching about it, you could have held Ivy's baby. Laughed at Tammy in her face as she advocates the existence of the state. Pissed on, or visited, Tim as he's in prison.
And yet the most AMAZING thing you have to do is post on this thread.
I'd feel bad if I didn't take a pause between wiping my ass just now.
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Kevin......it's the drama thread......it doesn't have to be all serious...it's drama and maybe for some it gives them a release they need.
I will agree that there are far too many people who aren't in NH who bitch about what happens or what doesn't happen in NH though.
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well said Kevin.
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Kevin......it's the drama thread......it doesn't have to be all serious...it's drama and maybe for some it gives them a release they need.
I will agree that there are far too many people who aren't in NH who bitch about what happens or what doesn't happen in NH though.
Tammy, you know that you and I have not seen eye-to-eye before, but that's a great post. Thanks.
I feel victim to that, personally. When I wasn't here, I posted all kinds of crap, probably stoked a few fires that would have died if not for my prodding. But guys, seriously (*and it's hard for me to say that still drunk at 7 in the morning... But I mean it... SERIOUSLY*)
These are people. You hear them on the radio and see their stories on a forum thread, but they're people. I love trolling now and then... hell, I've been doing it here on these forums for a certain mod for the past few hours. I get it. I even enjoy it. But understand that these are real flesh and blood human beings.
Or... of that doesn't work for you...
Understand that nobody on these forums is mentioned IN these threads. Your troll shit antics just don't work here.
Either way. Holla.
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Understand that nobody on these forums is mentioned IN these threads.
They haven't been banned. They can post on these forums if they want to. Invite them.
Your troll shit antics just don't work here.
Don't shoot the messenger. If you don't like it, GTFO.
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"IF YOURE NOT IN NH YOU SUCK"
What else is new.
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If you were here, in NH, rather than bitching about it, you could have held Ivy's baby.
I was in NH last week and didn't get the chance to hold Ivy's baby.
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hush little baby don't say a word just pack up your diapers and move out of NH
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I was in NH yesterday, I touched I.V.'s baby and caught the Herp.
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I was in NH yesterday, I touched I.V.'s baby and caught the Herp.
Is it white?
Does it look like Coconut?
Anyone know how Ivy/Bill payed for the birth?
Are they living in Grafton again?
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hush little baby don't say a word just pack up your diapers and move out of NH
Well said Cap'n.
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you must be one of the idiots.
That's Anton Lee, who I assume you love in the same purely sexual way that I do ;)
You know it.
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Wow... I'm honestly, truely and amazingly stricken.
Who Tammy is... When Ivy's Baby is due... When Tim gets out of prison... all of that shit matters to you asshats. Seriously.
175 fucking pages. Wow. Seriously. How many exclamation points do I need to put on that? Wow!
If you were here, in NH, rather than bitching about it, you could have held Ivy's baby. Laughed at Tammy in her face as she advocates the existence of the state. Pissed on, or visited, Tim as he's in prison.
And yet the most AMAZING thing you have to do is post on this thread.
I'd feel bad if I didn't take a pause between wiping my ass just now.
Dude, drama thread. Post gossip or GTFO.
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Understand that nobody on these forums is mentioned IN these threads. Your troll shit antics just don't work here.
We could only wish.
Does it look like Coconut?
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Does it look like Coconut?
In that it is black and hairy, yes, it does look like a coconut.
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Name-calling is not drama any more than the income tax that had no hope of passing (this year) nor the sex offender registration requirement that has no hope of passing (this year).
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Does it look like Coconut?
In that it is black and hairy, yes, it does look like a coconut.
lol wat
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No. it looked like this...
(http://curtskene.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ugly_baby.jpg)
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Even though I know it's fake, that picture is surprisingly disturbing.
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Does it look like Coconut?
In that it is black and hairy, yes, it does look like a coconut.
lol wat
(http://www.skool.us/files/funz/owned_black_baby.jpg)
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????
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adoption
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chump.
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unfunny
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blastoid
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LOUD NOISES!!
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Russell plans to go to jail on Sunday. It's gunna be hot.
I hope someone gets good video.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19942.msg316770#msg316770
Please tell me you're not seriously going to go to the Manchester Police Department and swing an axe at glass doors until you are (at BEST) arrested, at worst, shot dead in front of your wife? I'm assuming by "lance" you mean something pretend like a toilet plunger, but I'm not sure about the axe. I beg you to rethink this. Please.
http://www.420at420.org/stories/2010/01/21/don_quixote
Who:
Don Quixote de la Shire
anyone who joins him
and onlookers
What:
Tilting at Manchester City Hall, District Court, police station, and jail in order to free pro-freedom activist Big Mike from Valley Street jail.
When:
Sunday, 2010-01-24 12:00
Where:
Don Quixote will start his ride at the spot in Veteran’s Park, where Mike and Brian were arrested last week. We will continue to City Hall, District Court, and the police station. If necessary, the knight errant will tilt his Lance of Levity and Axe of Anarchy against the doors of the jail.
Why:
Because we cannot sit by while our friend Mike sits in jail for months. Mike committed no crime against the inhabitants of this city. He was celebrating freedoms prohibited by the government thugs that call themselves the City of Manchester. After being detained against his will for twenty minutes last Saturday, he was told by a cop he could leave. As he passed by, they brushed up against each other. The cops then arrested him. He is being held in jail until a trial in April for “assaulting an officer.” If the city of Manchester releases him, then we can drop this matter.
More info:
http://newhampshirefreepress.com/node/586
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2317.0
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=19942.0
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I remember he made a post just before he got arrested a few years ago that he was going to "turn over tables" at the PD. I didn't pick up the Biblical reference at the time and I bet the spooks who watch NHFree didn't either.
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sweet, but I believe he cancelled the event.
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sweet, but I believe he cancelled the event.
It's good that Russell realized he is an idiot.
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did he realize this or did you go ahead and realize it for him?
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Here's a decent laugh: http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=20043.0 (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=20043.0)
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That artie guy has many funny posts.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2521.msg29066;topicseen#msg29066
Ian pulled over, car impounded for not being registered
http://www.qik.com/video/4838078
http://www.qik.com/video/4838383
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that's great. Now he'll be crying like a child for weeks about this.
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I'll be listening tonight.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2521.msg29079#msg29079
Ian:
Paid to have it towed to my house, it was not impounded. I had actually driven out to rescue Julia after she was in an accident. They'd have prevented me from leaving whether I spoke or not, and I didn't feel like I incriminated myself, but I'm sure I could have done some things differently. Julia just wanted to get back, and this was an extra frustration for her, so I wasn't going to give them a reason to make it worse.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2521.msg29066;topicseen#msg29066
Ian pulled over, car impounded for not being registered
http://www.qik.com/video/4838078
http://www.qik.com/video/4838383
I'm sure he expected that to happen. Don't know what else one would expect.
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"If EVERYONE disobeyed, and drove without registration, the state would be SCREWED!! What could they do, huh? NOTHING!!!"
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"If EVERYONE disobeyed, and drove without registration, the state would be SCREWED!! What could they do, huh? NOTHING!!!"
that quote is correct. so are these ones
Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.
If a thousand [citizens] were not to pay their tax-bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. This is, in fact, the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible.
We do not ride on the railroad; it rides upon us.
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I'll be listening tonight.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2521.msg29079#msg29079
Ian:
Paid to have it towed to my house, it was not impounded. I had actually driven out to rescue Julia after she was in an accident. They'd have prevented me from leaving whether I spoke or not, and I didn't feel like I incriminated myself, but I'm sure I could have done some things differently. Julia just wanted to get back, and this was an extra frustration for her, so I wasn't going to give them a reason to make it worse.
Darn. Wish I could listen live tonight. Looking forward to hearing the full thing tomorrow morning.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2689.msg29991;topicseen#msg29991
Capuzzo has been arrested for child support. The officers came to his home and walked into the house without invitation after speaking to his girlfriend. He was brought to the Superior Court house's Sheriff's department and has now been brought to the jail in Westmoreland until $2,000 bail is able to be paid. There are currently no means of getting him out of jail. I'm personally doing everything I can to try to come up with money to help get him out. If anybody would like to contribute to helping a dedicated activist be able to continue public demonstrations of activism, every little bit helps.
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Maybe he should have paid his child support.
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He's been busy with http://www.420at420.org/
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Maybe he should have paid his child support.
How dare you badmouth a keeniac freedom fighter you political statist pig!
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He's been busy with http://www.420at420.org/
And instead of buying weed he could have been able to afford a $50 child support payment instead . . .
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Denis, your version of the FSP is attracting the wrong crowd. Tsk.
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http://www.myspace.com/capuzzo
About me:
My name is Capuzzo. I'm a 26 year old Italian. I'm a liberty rights activist and spend a fair amout of my time doing different things for the Free State Project. I do tattoos out of my house. My friend Chris and I run it pretty well. myspace.com/artfromtheunderground is the site we are using for the tattoos. I enjoy music, longboarding, snowboarding, reading, writing and cruising. If you know me, you know this already. I'm on parole right now untill 2013 for burglery. I have no intention of going back to prison, though. That's about it on me. If you want to know anymore, then just ask.
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I'm going to live on the edge and presume that it wasn't a single $50 child support payment that was missed. :shock:
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I'm going to live on the edge and presume that it wasn't a single $50 child support payment that was missed. :shock:
Not to say that every man is in my situation, but my ex brought a case against me for non-payment of child support in Texas, while she was already receiving money for that child via Indiana, Indiana ceded the case to Texas (because the two departments can and do communicate [hooray]), but Indiana only turned over 2 years worth of payment documentation to Texas (because sometimes government departments don't keep records well [boo]) so all of a sudden it looks as though I'm in arrears 9 years on payments. My wages are being garnished to this day, and because there is a limit to how much they can take I won't be "caught up" on payments until sometime after my child has reached the age of maturity, so assuming my ex continues to get checks from Texas A.G. office, she's gonna be getting money for child support after she is no longer entitled, she won't be required to claim it as income, and she won't have to have worked for it. Isn't that great? So if I stopped paying, when my child reached the age of maturity, would I be in the wrong?
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http://www.myspace.com/capuzzo
About me:
My name is Capuzzo. I'm a 26 year old Italian. I'm a liberty rights activist and spend a fair amout of my time doing different things for the Free State Project. I do tattoos out of my house. My friend Chris and I run it pretty well. myspace.com/artfromtheunderground is the site we are using for the tattoos. I enjoy music, longboarding, snowboarding, reading, writing and cruising. If you know me, you know this already. I'm on parole right now untill 2013 for burglery. I have no intention of going back to prison, though. That's about it on me. If you want to know anymore, then just ask.
Do you think he meant burglary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burglary)?
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(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x141/rewriter42/TheHobbit0.jpg)
The only cool burglars are Hobbits.
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The only cool burglars are Hobbits.
:lol:
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Do you think he meant burglary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burglary)?
That, or buggery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggery).
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I'm going to live on the edge and presume that it wasn't a single $50 child support payment that was missed. :shock:
Not to say that every man is in my situation, but my ex brought a case against me for non-payment of child support in Texas, while she was already receiving money for that child via Indiana, Indiana ceded the case to Texas (because the two departments can and do communicate [hooray]), but Indiana only turned over 2 years worth of payment documentation to Texas (because sometimes government departments don't keep records well [boo]) so all of a sudden it looks as though I'm in arrears 9 years on payments. My wages are being garnished to this day, and because there is a limit to how much they can take I won't be "caught up" on payments until sometime after my child has reached the age of maturity, so assuming my ex continues to get checks from Texas A.G. office, she's gonna be getting money for child support after she is no longer entitled, she won't be required to claim it as income, and she won't have to have worked for it. Isn't that great? So if I stopped paying, when my child reached the age of maturity, would I be in the wrong?
You're right Sandm000 - and I may hev jumped to an incorrect conclusion....because, like yours, not all child support situations are just.
Maybe the comment about him being on parole until 2013 for burglary clouded my judgment.
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I'm going to live on the edge and presume that it wasn't a single $50 child support payment that was missed. :shock:
Not to say that every man is in my situation, but my ex brought a case against me for non-payment of child support in Texas, while she was already receiving money for that child via Indiana, Indiana ceded the case to Texas (because the two departments can and do communicate [hooray]), but Indiana only turned over 2 years worth of payment documentation to Texas (because sometimes government departments don't keep records well [boo]) so all of a sudden it looks as though I'm in arrears 9 years on payments. My wages are being garnished to this day, and because there is a limit to how much they can take I won't be "caught up" on payments until sometime after my child has reached the age of maturity, so assuming my ex continues to get checks from Texas A.G. office, she's gonna be getting money for child support after she is no longer entitled, she won't be required to claim it as income, and she won't have to have worked for it. Isn't that great? So if I stopped paying, when my child reached the age of maturity, would I be in the wrong?
You're right Sandm000 - and I may hev jumped to an incorrect conclusion....because, like yours, not all child support situations are just.
Maybe the comment about him being on parole until 2013 for burglary clouded my judgment.
Maybe he burglarized a police department? Stealing only the corrupt officers doughnuts?
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(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x141/rewriter42/TheHobbit0.jpg)
The only cool burglars are Hobbits.
Attercop!
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Get a vasectomy and you'll never have to worry about paying 18 years worth of payments to your ex.
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Get a vasectomy and you'll never have to worry about paying 18 years worth of payments to your ex.
I for one am considering it.
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Get a vasectomy and you'll never have to worry about paying 18 years worth of payments to your ex.
You accept services from non-licensed, shadetree doctors, right?
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Get a vasectomy and you'll never have to worry about paying 18 years worth of payments to your ex.
You accept services from non-licensed, shadetree doctors, right?
Depends: will you also cram a crayon into my brain so I can be dumbed down and not feel the pain of intelligence?
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Get a vasectomy and you'll never have to worry about paying 18 years worth of payments to your ex.
That's kind of like locking the barn door after the horses are out, isn't it? Can't wait for some one else to suggest a (insert appropriate number)-trimester abortion.
Maybe he burglarized a police department? Stealing only the corrupt officers doughnuts?
I can see someone getting the book thrown at them for that. Steal a cop's donuts? I'm surprised he's only on parole til 2013 ;)
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20047.0
Firecracker Joe imprisoned
http://www.wmur.com/news/22274132/detail.html
Man Charged With Driving Through Garage Door, Firing Shots
Police Say Man Drove Mobile Home Through Garage Door
POSTED: 1:33 pm EST January 19, 2010
TAMWORTH, N.H. -- A Tamworth man was arrested Saturday after police investigated a report of gunshots and a man driving a motor home through a garage door.
Joseph Roux, 47, was arrested and charged with driving while intoxicated, reckless conduct, simple assault on a police officer and resisting arrest.
Police said Roux crashed a motor home through the garage door of his house. They said he also fired two shots into the air, resulting in the reckless conduct charges.
Police applied for and obtained a search warrant to search several vehicles and one building. Those searches led to the discovery of several firearms and several hundred rounds of ammunition, along with a quantity of controlled drugs, police said.
Roux was later charged with six counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm and two counts of possession of a controlled drug.
Roux was ordered held on $150,000 cash bail and was scheduled to be arraigned on Tuesday.
http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100120/GJNEWS02/701209867/-1/CITNEWS
Small motor home driven through garage door; Tamworth man facing several charges
By JOHN KOZIOL
jkoziol@citizen.com
Wednesday, January 20, 2010
A local man is facing a slew of charges, including operating under the influence and illegal possession of firearms, following a bizarre incident that began when he reportedly drove a small motor home through a garage door.
Joseph M. Roux, 47, of 1287 Bearcamp Highway in Tamworth, was arraigned Tuesday afternoon in Southern Carroll District Court on a charge of driving while intoxicated, two counts of felony reckless conduct — simple assault on a police officer, two counts of resisting arrest, six counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm — being an armed career criminal, and two counts of possession of a controlled drug.
Roux is being held at the Carroll County jail on $150,000 cash bail pending a probable cause hearing on Jan. 28.
State Police Lt. Scott Carr, commander of the State Police Troop E barracks in Tamworth, said State Police received a call at 8:01 a.m. Saturday about a motor vehicle accident on Bearcamp Highway (Route 25). As troopers responded to the scene, another call was received saying there had been shots in the area.
Upon arriving, Carr said troopers found Roux on the opposite side of the road from his residence where the motor home he was operating had gotten stuck in snow. Carr said Roux apparently drove the camper through the closed door of the garage and then proceeded across Route 25 onto a neighbor's property, where he was eventually taken into custody.
State Police later obtained search warrants for additional vehicles as well as a building at Roux's residence and subsequently located several firearms, including a 9-mm. pistol, several hundred rounds of ammunition and a quantity of controlled drugs, including marijuana.
Carr said Roux has prior drug-related felony convictions and as a consequence was barred by state law from possessing a firearm.
Carr called the incident "unusual."
"It's kind of a bizarre event. At this point we're continuing to investigate," he said.
State Police were assisted by the Sandwich Police Department, Carroll County Sheriff's Office and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
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Are the keeniacs going to hold a candlelight vigil for ol' firecracker?
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The story did not say exactly how fucking drunk that man was.
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The bureaucrats are gonna claim the J-weed possessed him and made him to violent things.
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The bureaucrats are gonna claim the J-weed possessed him and made him to violent things.
The keeniacs are gonna claim it is an absolute outrage for police to show up just because a wasted drunk guy drove his motorhome all over his neighbor's property, smashed it thru a garage door, and then started shooting bullets into the air.
I mean, what kind of jackbooted thugs go after a guy like that anyway :?:
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The bureaucrats are gonna claim the J-weed possessed him and made him to violent things.
The keeniacs are gonna claim it is an absolute outrage for police to show up just because a wasted drunk guy drove his motorhome all over his neighbor's property, smashed it thru a garage door, and then started shooting bullets into the air.
I mean, what kind of jackbooted thugs go after a guy like that anyway :?:
Let us know when this happens.
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The bureaucrats are gonna claim the J-weed possessed him and made him to violent things.
The keeniacs are gonna claim it is an absolute outrage for police to show up just because a wasted drunk guy drove his motorhome all over his neighbor's property, smashed it thru a garage door, and then started shooting bullets into the air.
I mean, what kind of jackbooted thugs go after a guy like that anyway :?:
What I would like to know is who put that house in his way. I smell entrapment!
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The bureaucrats are gonna claim the J-weed possessed him and made him to violent things.
The keeniacs are gonna claim it is an absolute outrage for police to show up just because a wasted drunk guy drove his motorhome all over his neighbor's property, smashed it thru a garage door, and then started shooting bullets into the air.
I mean, what kind of jackbooted thugs go after a guy like that anyway :?:
Well, I am not a Keeniac, but I do have a point to make here: Id be willing to bet that the majority of the time that he gets/got comes/came from the Possession of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon charge. He shouldn't have done what he did, but putting him in jail doesn't help his victims, and charging a man for having a gun is immoral.
I don't think a candlelight vigil will get him out of jail/prison however.
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The bureaucrats are gonna claim the J-weed possessed him and made him to violent things.
The keeniacs are gonna claim it is an absolute outrage for police to show up just because a wasted drunk guy drove his motorhome all over his neighbor's property, smashed it thru a garage door, and then started shooting bullets into the air.
I mean, what kind of jackbooted thugs go after a guy like that anyway :?:
Well, I am not a Keeniac, but I do have a point to make here: Id be willing to bet that the majority of the time that he gets/got comes/came from the Possession of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon charge. He shouldn't have done what he did, but putting him in jail doesn't help his victims, and charging a man for having a gun is immoral.
I don't think a candlelight vigil will get him out of jail/prison however.
If I were in Keene I'd actually feel safer that he was in jail.
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I don't think a candlelight vigil will get him out of jail/prison however.
Yeah but you're a tool of the minarchist oppression :wink:
A candlelight vigil will make the cops realize they are inhumane and immoral. Just a matter of time till the vigils wear down the oppressors, and thet throw open the gates of the Bastille!
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If I were in Keene I'd actually feel safer that he was in jail.
I'm not sure this dude ever showed up in Keene.
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If I were in Keene I'd actually feel safer that he was in jail.
I'm not sure this dude ever showed up in Keene.
But he could have!
Firecracker: coming soon to a neighborhood near you!
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http://freekeene.com/2010/03/03/critics-liberty-activists-have-wreaked-havoc-in-keene-freekeene-is-failing/
Don’t Pull Back the Curtain on the Free Staters
March 3, 2010
By Pam Martens
The individuals supporting Bill Campbell in his bid for Selectman of Westmoreland want you to look in another direction altogether, rather than demand his truthfulness on his affiliation with Free Staters.
His supporters want you to focus on those “outsiders” from the “city.” (My husband and I have never lived in a big city; we come from a tiny town, Garden City, Long Island, that clips happy faces in the shrubs in the Town Square and where the 1931 bakery still hands children a free cookie; where calling residents “outsiders” is just too silly to even contemplate. But if we did come from a big city, so what. This is xenophobia-baiting and should be deplored by any person of good character and conscience.)
His supporters implore you to look at those people who have (patiently) attended 10 hearings over two years on a gravel pit that has been illegally located in their residential neighborhood for 17 years but they might sue the Town eventually. (Don’t stop to ask yourself how the gravel pit issue is relevant to whether Bill Campbell backs the agenda of the Free Staters.)
His supporters want you to look at the pedigrees of those telling you Bill Campbell is not a Free Stater — they’ve lived here 49 years, or 25 years — and if they say Bill Campbell is not a Free Stater, well, that should be the end of the matter.
Aside from his supporters’ denials, Bill Campbell has issued a campaign letter seeking votes in his bid for Selectman that is completely silent on his long-term involvement with the Free State Project. Mr. Campbell instead suggests these are just “rumors” and “negative campaigning.” This is his exact statement:
“You may have heard negative rumors about me, fueled by my opponent’s supporters. I don’t believe in negative campaigning and I ask you to consider the source and motivation.”
That statement in itself is negative campaigning since it strongly suggests the “rumors” are false and maliciously motivated by Mr. Campbell’s opponent’s supporters. (Neither my husband nor I knew in advance June Hammond planned to run for Selectman nor do we know what’s going on in her campaign. Our issues are with the Free State Project’s unconscionable plan to take over local and state politics in New Hampshire.)
Why does it matter that Bill Campbell refuses to discuss his involvement with the Free State Project? For one thing, good character is reflected in forthrightness. For another, the Free State Project holds extremist views and their participants have wreaked havoc in areas like Keene and Grafton. We’ve seen a steady stream of Free Staters taunting the Keene police and ending up in the Westmoreland jail, costing taxpayers dearly. We also know the Free Staters ran a campaign of intimidation and smear tactics in Grafton against anyone who dared to stand up to them. The web site’s still up. My husband and I know from first hand experience the tactics used against people who speak truth to the Free State power base. But we think what’s at stake is worth the threats and slander against us.
If the Free Staters gain a foothold in Westmoreland, Mr. Edgington, co-host of the Free State Project sponsored radio program, Free Talk Live, could implore more Free Staters to swarm into Westmoreland. Mr. Edgington’s radio program is affiliated with 65 radio stations around the country.
Below are the links that document Bill Campbell’s long-term involvement with the Free State Project. It’s time for Mr. Campbell to come clean with voters.
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OH GOD THEY'RE TAKING OVER
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Seems the local Newhampshiremen don't like the Free Staters.
If Ian is ostracized, will he still think ostracism's a good idea?
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Seems the local Newhampshiremen don't like the Free Staters.
More accurate to say the Keene-area people don't like the FSPers, for a lot of the same reasons the Grafton people (like our own M$/president/blackie) didn't like FSPers.
In lots of towns the people love FSPers. Because their first exposure to them was helping out in a food bank, old folks' home, or some other community-volunteering function. As opposed to being yelled at with bullhorns by people smoking pot in the town square. (way to win hearts and minds, guys!)
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http://freekeene.com/2010/03/03/critics-liberty-activists-have-wreaked-havoc-in-keene-freekeene-is-failing/
"Are you now, or have you ever been a communist?"
"WAT"
"You've been seen with communists. List all the communists you know on this piece of paper. If you're truthful, we'll let you go."
:roll:
Seems the local Newhampshiremen don't like the Free Staters.
More accurate to say the Keene-area people don't like the FSPers, for a lot of the same reasons the Grafton people (like our own M$/president/blackie) didn't like FSPers.
In lots of towns the people love FSPers. Because their first exposure to them was helping out in a food bank, old folks' home, or some other community-volunteering function. As opposed to being yelled at with bullhorns by people smoking pot in the town square. (way to win hearts and minds, guys!)
...or, quite possibly...the rest of the state isn't as collectivist...but I don't live there, so I wouldn't know.
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Westmoreland News
Supporting Participatory Democracy Through Citizen News
WestmorelandNews@aol.com
March 1, 2010
In April 2009, my wife, Pam Martens, published two in-depth essays on the Free State Project’s activities in New Hampshire in the print and web based editions of CounterPunch. Since that time, a counter-offensive has been launched by Free Staters. The campaign is being directed by Dawn Lincoln, a key participant in the Free State Project who purchased a home in Westmoreland with her husband in 2007. Ms. Lincoln’s husband is Bill Campbell, who has been actively engaged in the Free State Project for many years, helping to organize their annual events, participating in those events, and encouraging people to move to New Hampshire as Free State “early movers.” Joining in the campaign is Mark Edge (real name, Edgington) who co-hosts the Free State Project sponsored radio program, “Free Talk Live.” Mr. Edgington and his wife, both Free Staters, also live in Westmoreland.
Ms. Lincoln ran in the Republican primary for State Rep from Westmoreland without advising voters she is an “early mover” from Connecticut for the Free State Project. (Ms. Lincoln was defeated by Jack Laurent.) Now Bill Campbell is running for Selectman in Westmoreland without being forthcoming about his long term involvement with the organization.
We think voters have the right to make informed choices in local, state and national elections. We think candidates have an obligation to be honest with voters.
In this vein, we are publishing over the next three days a three-part series on the Free State Project, its origins and impact on New Hampshire, adapted and updated from the original articles written by my wife.
Russ Martens, Westmoreland News
Free State Project Plots a Takeover
March 1, 2010
By Pam Martens
It’s like a bad B movie plot playing out in real life in New Hampshire: a twenty-something political science grad student has an idea for a new economic order. He posts it on the internet. Over a few years, as disenchantment with Big Brother government grows, the idea takes off. A call goes out from the grad student and his eclectic gang of libertarians and anarchists for 20,000 people from around the country to move into New Hampshire and prove his thesis: that small numbers of hyper active political agitators can control the political process in a thinly populated state; that free market capitalism will work just fine alongside a system where citizen volunteers, not government, provide all social welfare programs.
Fast forward to today: quiet rural countrysides spotted with maple sugar houses and wild flower meadows are sprouting pockets of political extremism and YouTube videos of defiance against state and local laws. [1]
The grad student is Jason Sorens, at Yale at the time of his epiphany, now a thirty-something Assistant Professor of Political Science at the State University of New York in Buffalo. Dr. Sorens’ grand experiment, the Free State Project, was spawned in 2001 and has now signed up just under 10,000 individuals who have pledged to move to New Hampshire according to the organization’s web site. Just under 800 “early movers” are already here.
New Hampshire is being targeted because of its tiny population of approximately 1.3 million. Sorens mapped out the following plan to his followers in 2001:
“Once we’ve taken over the state government, we can slash state and local budgets, which make up a sizeable proportion of the tax and regulatory burden we face every day. Furthermore, we can eliminate substantial federal interference by refusing to take highway funds and the strings attached to them. Once we’ve accomplished these things, we can bargain with the national government over reducing the role of the national government in our state. We can use the threat of secession as leverage to do this.” [2]
Sorens expresses his patriarchal view of the “ignorant” populace, as posted at the Cato Institute’s web site, a free market think tank:
“The ‘collective action problem’ helps to explain why only narrow interests will successfully organize and achieve policy victories, and why these will come at the expense of the citizenry. Interest groups can achieve these victories only because voters are deeply, irremediably ignorant of philosophy, politics, economics, and public policy. Trying to educate voters is hopeless because they lack the proper incentives to learn and employ political knowledge.” [3]
The Free Staters seek to eliminate the “Nanny State” which, to their way of thinking, includes public education (to be replaced with home schooling or private schools), planning and zoning boards, building codes and inspectors and essentially every other government function that isn’t involved in protecting their right to swarm New Hampshire, their free speech, their guns, or their right to do whatever they want on their property.
The Free Staters call themselves porcupines (upset them at your own risk) and dub their annual confab a Porc Fest. On blogs and radio they rage against an eclectic group of evils: public education, zoning ordinances, nursing homes, car inspections, Medicaid.
Following a public relations fiasco in Grafton, New Hampshire where locals faced heavy-handed intimidation from a splinter group called the Free Town Project, the new game plan for Free Staters is to come into towns presenting themselves as mainstream; get elected to local boards and civic organizations, and slowly chip away at the framework of established society by gutting public funding.
One Free Stater, Dawn Lincoln, who moved from Connecticut to Southern New Hampshire describes the subterfuge on the Free State web site:
“Personally, I keep the FSP [Free State Project] stuff to myself until I really know someone. Some people know about the FSP and think it’s great, others have heard about things like the Free Town Project and aren’t so sure….” [4]
The new movement includes a sophisticated organizational model. Imagine an octopus. The center is the Free State Project. The tentacles now include Free Talk Live radio, which has 65 radio affiliates around the country according to their web site and the major means of recruiting “liberty loving” types to move to New Hampshire; a political action group called the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance that holds mock town meeting training sessions, reviews legislation for assault, gives out grades to legislators based on how obediently they toe the Free State Project line; and supports a growing number of Free Staters seeking elected office. Here’s how one of the Free Staters described the big picture:
“…control the local Government and remove oppressive Regulations (such as Planning & Zoning, and Building Code requirements) and stop enforcement of Laws prohibiting Victimless Acts among Consenting Adults, such as Dueling, Gambling, Incest, Price-Gouging, Cannibalism, and Drug Handling.” [5]
The social order envisioned by the Free Staters is one of voluntarism. People will simply volunteer to take care of each other’s needs. This statement appears on their web site: “…government exists at most to protect people’s rights, and should neither provide for people nor punish them for activities that interfere with no one else.” As they openly admit on their blogs and radio call-ins, those pesky details of how the roads will get built, who will provide for the poor and indigent have yet to be addressed.
This is how care for the poor was handled before government funding and when the job was left to voluntarism:
“About this time [1815] a new plan of selling the paupers at public auction for a year was instituted; and in 1816 we find that William Powers was bid off at one dollar and fifty-eight cents per week, and Benjamin Alld at ninety-six cents per week, and again in 1817 William Powers was struck off at one dollar and sixty-nine cents per week, which is the last we hear of him on the town records. At these auctions, the peculiar qualities of each individual were described by the auctioneer, pretty much as he would speak of the qualities of any other livestock offered for sale.” History of the Town of Peterborough, Hillsborough County, New Hampshire, by Albert Smith, John Hopkins Morison.
The other incomprehensible aspect is the Free Staters’ love fest with totally free markets. Despite the loss of credibility of deregulated capitalism in this country and around the world, they’re clinging tight. Even the captain of the mother ship, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, has accepted defeat on markets without regulators.
There’s also a strong scent of insincerity about what the core group in the Free State Project are really up to. The Free Talk Live radio program condemns all forms of property seizure, even for people who haven’t paid their property taxes in 3 years. And yet, one of their largest advertisers is Sakal-CAI, a debt collector. On its web site, Sakal-CAI says it uses the following procedures: wage garnishments, bank account attachments, property attachments, property foreclosure, property lien attachments.
It’s time for the good people of New Hampshire to rethink the red carpet rolled out by former Governor Craig Benson to the Free State Project before the state’s proud motto of “Live Free or Die” becomes a rallying cry to tens of thousands of anti-government extremists.
The test for New Hampshire is to remain tolerant while effectively defending itself against an invading army using buzzwords of “liberty” and “freedom” while blogging about their plan to take over.
[1] Free Staters on YouTube
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=youtube+AND+%22free+state+project%22+AND+arrest&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
[2] Taking Over State Government
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Government&Politics/+Doc-Government&Politics-Tracking&AvoidingTyranny/LibertarianStateTakeover.htm
[3] Jason Sorens on Ignorant Voters
http://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/10/jason-sorens/leveraging-institutional-change/
[4] Dawn Lincoln’s Early Move for the Free State Project (Scroll down to article.)
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:30mWg80FZnAJ:www.freestateproject.org/community/moved/lincoln.php+%22Personally,+I+keep+the+FSP+stuff+to+myself+until+I+really+know+someone.%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8
[5] Defining Victimless Acts As Incest and Cannibalism
http://freetownproject.com/
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"Defining Victimless Acts As Incest and Cannibalism"
LOL, Larry hasn't had any publicity in awhile.
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Like It or Not, Free Staters Plan to “Liberate” You
By Pam Martens
On the morning of Friday, February 27, 2004, at the Washington D.C. corporate headquarters of the free market think thank, the American Enterprise Institute, a far-fetched plan was carefully rolled out to the national media. The key speaker at the event was Jason Sorens, founder of the Free State Project.
The following are excerpts of remarks made by Dr. Sorens at that event, according to a transcript available at the American Enterprise Institute:
“The Free State Project started as an effort to identify the best state in the country for people who favor smaller government and stronger individual liberties to move to…
“We started signing up people in September 2001, and our growth was slow in our first few months. However, growth picked up dramatically in late 2002 and 2003, and by August 2003, we had 5,000 signed members…
“Once New Hampshire moves dramatically in a free market direction, we are going to continue to attract individuals and businesses from other states. And other states are going to have to reform their own laws in order to avoid losing their tax base to our state.” [1] (Dr. Sorens calls it “our state” but in the nine years his plan has wreaked havoc on New Hampshire, he’s never actually taken up residency here.)
One of the most astute questions at this conference came from a man identified in the transcript as William Kelly of Cox Newspapers:
“KELLY: My question is for Jason. I was wondering, when you sign people up, do you do any kind of background check on them or anything, to make sure that you’re not importing rapists and thieves to New Hampshire?…
“SORENS: No background checks. I think libertarians wouldn’t like that, too privacy invading and too resource consuming as well. So to some extent this is built on trust. Everyone I’ve met has been normal and well adjusted.”
Jenna Wolf of the Union Leader out of Manchester honed in on another obvious area:
“Have you talked to residents? What are their feelings about this?”
Dr. Sorens assured Ms. Wolf:
“…we have solicited the opinions of people who live in New Hampshire in our forum…And the responses I have gotten have been overwhelmingly positive, conditional. So long as you are good neighbors and really support the political ideals that you talk about, then they are supportive.”
In just four months, both the lack of background checks as well as resident reaction would blow up in Dr. Sorens’ face.
Just nine days before Dr. Sorens gently rolled out his case to a strategically selected group of corporate think tanks and reporters viewed as market friendly at the headquarters of the American Enterprise Institute, Tim Condon, at the time the Director of Member Services at the Free State Project and a Tampa, Florida lawyer, had mapped out an offshoot strategy. The plan was to create a Free Town Project as well – “a low-population town in that same state where Porcupines can congregate….” (Free Staters refer to themselves as Porcupines – upset them at your own risk.) The tiny town of Grafton, New Hampshire was chosen. [2]
According to Mr. Condon’s own account of how the Grafton plan came about, an “exploratory trip was launched in early February, 2004. This time Porcupines Tim Condon and Zack Bass flew to New Hampshire from Florida, and had help from resident Free Staters in exploring. Also present was Robert Hull, who drove up from New Jersey to join us.”
Zack Bass, according to a June 20, 2004 article in The Boston Globe was actually Larry Pendarvis of Brandon, Florida: “A computer analyst who also goes by the alias Zack Bass, Pendarvis was convicted in Polk County, Fla., in 1997 of more than 100 counts of downloading child pornography, a conviction later overturned on appeal. His other enterprises include a website that peddles mail-order brides from the Philippines with the slogan, ‘Date Locally, Marry Globally.’ ” [3]
According to Free Staters, it was Mr. Pendarvis who was responsible for setting up a web site targeting local residents, which read: “This is a list of New Hampsters who have oppressed libertarians…Don’t vote for them, don’t hire them, don’t buy from them, don’t sell to them.” The list included a Judge, the Selectmen, the Selectmen’s Clerk, an attorney, a police chief, various police officers, and former Governor Benson. The web site is still accessible. [4] (In Westmoreland, my husband and I are the Free Staters’ favorite pinatas.)
Hostilities flared against the Free Staters in Grafton by residents, followed by a large town meeting and unflattering local and national press. Dr. Sorens has persistently blamed all of this on Pendarvis and dismissed it by noting that Pendarvis was expelled from the Free State Project. Dr. Sorens fails to note that it was he who declined to do background checks and it was his own Director of Member Services at the time, Tim Condon, who has acknowledged in his own article that he was part of the conception and planning of the Free Town Project and made the exploratory trip to Grafton with Pendarvis (aka Zack Bass) in February 2004.
Today, Free Staters in Grafton host an annual “anarchic campout” in the town, advertising the following slate of activities: “There will be drinking, burning things, sitting around BSing, bands, toilets and showers in the woods, talking about the revolution, and of course a giant burning rodent. It’ll be one big party. Lloyd is going to do a naked fire dance. “ [5]
While outwardly advocating a government that imposes no taxes for education, Dr. Sorens collects his paycheck from the State University of New York at Buffalo, a tax funded institution. He also has a long history of corporate-based funding.
The Mercatus Center lists him as an Affiliated Scholar. It, and its sister organization, Institute for Humane Studies, have funded Dr. Sorens research since at least 2002 according to public records. [6]
Mercatus is the Latin term for markets. Thanks to an in-depth report published in September 2006 by the public interest nonprofit, Public Citizen, and OMB Watch, we know a great deal about the agenda of the Mercatus Center. [7]
[As part of its anti-regulatory agenda] “Mercatus staffers were pushing rollbacks that would directly benefit their corporate patrons. BP Amoco, Exxon Mobil, and the Kochs, for example, would benefit from 14 of the suggestions…filed in 2001 to weaken the Clean air Act. These petrochemical companies would also benefit from four of the Mercatus Center’s 2002 submissions calling for the weakening of the Clean Water Act…
“By far the biggest corporate contributor to the Mercatus Center, and the group with the clearest personal ties to it, is the Koch group of foundations and, through them, Koch Industries. A privately-held $25 billion petroleum, chemical, and agricultural company based in Wichita, Kansas, Koch Industries has good reason to angle for a rollback of environmental standards. In 2001, the company’s petroleum division pleaded guilty to violating the Clean Air Act for releasing benzene, a known carcinogen, into the air at a Texas refinery. Koch agreed to pay $10 million in criminal fines and further agreed to spend $10 million for environmental projects in the Corpus Christi area. In addition, Koch must complete a five-year term of probation and adhere to a strict new environmental compliance program.”
How much exactly has Dr. Sorens received from the Mercatus Center, the Institute for Humane Studies, and George Mason University Foundation? Requests for specific dollar amounts to Dr. Sorens, the State University of New York at Buffalo, and each of the nonprofits was met with silence.
A notice on the web site of the department of Political Science at the State University of New York at Buffalo, where Dr. Sorens now teaches and conducts research, notes that “Jason Sorens and his co-author William P. Ruger, an Assistant Professor at the Texas State University, San Marcos published a study on Freedom in the 50 States: An Index of Personal and Economic Freedom with the Mercatus Center of George Mason University. The study presents an evidence based ranking of the 50 states in terms of both their provisions for and protection of personal and economic freedoms. Professor Sorens also continues to oversee a grant from Donors Trust. The grant supports a series of research workshops on ‘Markets and States.’ ”
Exactly 13 days after the study on Freedom in the 50 States was released, the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law at the Buckeye Institute for Public Policy Solutions in Ohio, another free markets nonprofit, used the document in testimony on a House Bill in Ohio threatening to “initiate legal action” if the bill was signed into law. The testimony noted, from the report, that “Ohio recently ranked 38th in an index of economic freedom amongst the 50 states.” The bill the Center wanted to kill would have eased mortgage loan modifications to prevent foreclosures on distressed homeowners.
DonorsTrust, which funded Dr. Sorens “Markets and States” workshops, explains itself this way: “DonorsTrust was established as the sole donor-advised plan dedicated to promoting a free society and serving donors who share that purpose. To date, DonorsTrust has received $230 million from these donors who are both dedicated to liberty and to the cause of perpetuating a free and prosperous society through philanthropic means…Know that any contributions to our DonorsTrust account that have to be reported to the IRS will not become public information. Unlike with private foundations, gifts from your account will remain as anonymous as you request.”
Anonymity by the donors funding Dr. Sorens is not the only black hole. Homes and property purchased by Free Staters in Grafton are in the names of an array of limited liability corporations with no ability to ascertain the true party in interest.
A home in Westmoreland occupied by a Free Stater is also owned by a limited liability corporation.
Notes.
[1] Transcript of Jason Sorens speaking at the American Enterprise Institute
[2] Tim Condon maps out the plan for the Free Town Project in Grafton
[3] “Grafton’s Messy Liberation,” Boston Globe, June 20, 2004
[4] Blood Bath & Beyond, Grafton Locals Targeted
[5] Anarchic Campout in Grafton http://burningporcupine.com/
[6] Jason Sorens affiations with The Mercatus Center
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:NBCGMX1gMYcJ:mercatus.org/jason-sorens+%22mercatus+center%22+AND+%22jason+sorens%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8
[7] “The Cost is Too High,” Public Citizen, OMB Report: Pgs 43 – 55,
“Meet the Mercatus Center”
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Seems the local Newhampshiremen don't like the Free Staters.
More accurate to say the Keene-area people don't like the FSPers, for a lot of the same reasons the Grafton people (like our own M$/president/blackie) didn't like FSPers.
Even more accurate to say that some of the people of Keene don't like the Keeniac subset of FSPers.
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Some Iraqis are pissed at some of the Americans that occupy their country.
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Some Iraqis are pissed at some of the Americans that occupy their country.
Some FSP'ers have nothing better to do than blame the wrong people for the failure of the project.
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The Project hasn't failed, but some FSP participants;
1) are failing to win hearts and minds
2) are failing to have any actual change in society
3) are failures
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Hopefully, some FSP'ers like to drink beer and mind their own business.
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Hopefully, some FSP'ers like to drink beer and mind their own business.
Yes on one, no on two
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So why the hell is Jason Sorens NOT in New Hampshire?
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So why the hell is Jason Sorens NOT in New Hampshire?
Mind your own business.
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So why the hell is Jason Sorens NOT in New Hampshire?
AFAIK it's because he needs a J-O-B
College professor jobs in Poli Sci (I assume) are presumably relatively scarce.. you have to wait for somebody with tenure to croak and then muscle in on he action for the open spot.
He's out here for a few months at a stretch when it's possible
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So why the hell is Jason Sorens NOT in New Hampshire?
Mind your own business.
It's pretty much everybody's business, since he's supposed to be the head of the Free State Project, a public organization, and the FSP chose New Hampshire to be its home.
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It's pretty much everybody's business, since he's supposed to be the head of the Free State Project, a public organization, and the FSP chose New Hampshire to be its home.
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It's pretty much everybody's business, since he's supposed to be the head of the Free State Project, a public organization, and the FSP chose New Hampshire to be its home.
HOLY SHIT, he's in charge of this thing? I thought we were supposed to be self directed, choosing which battles to fight, which political philosophies to support, on our own, w/o needing a ruler or leader. It's his brainchild, yes, but that doesn't mean that he gives orders. That's the reason I moved, because people like Dennis (not trying to pick on you) were doing there own thing without an organization to direct their actions.
That's like saying Ben Franklin is in charge of Electricity.
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It's pretty much everybody's business, since he's supposed to be the head of the Free State Project, a public organization, and the FSP chose New Hampshire to be its home.
HOLY SHIT, he's in charge of this thing? I thought we were supposed to be self directed, choosing which battles to fight, which political philosophies to support, on our own, w/o needing a ruler or leader. It's his brainchild, yes, but that doesn't mean that he gives orders. That's the reason I moved, because people like Dennis (not trying to pick on you) were doing there own thing without an organization to direct their actions.
That's like saying Ben Franklin is in charge of Electricity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project#History
The Free State Project was founded in 2001 by Jason Sorens, then a Ph.D. student at Yale University.[6] Sorens published an article in The Libertarian Enterprise highlighting the failure of libertarians to elect any candidate to federal office, and outlining his ideas for a secessionist movement, and calling people to respond to him with interest.[7] The movement has, since then, come to emphasize secessionism much less strongly, with Sorens publishing a note in the journal to this effect in 2004.[8] Sorens has stated that the movement continues an American tradition of political migration, which includes groups such as Mormon settlers in Utah and Amish religious communities.[9]
Also apparently I was wrong. According to http://freestateproject.org/org the head of the FSP is Varrin Swearingen.
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Also apparently I was wrong. According to http://freestateproject.org/org the head of the FSP is Varrin Swearingen.
Hmmm, Irena Goddard is chair of the BOD now.
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It's pretty much everybody's business, since he's supposed to be the head of the Free State Project, a public organization, and the FSP chose New Hampshire to be its home.
HOLY SHIT, he's in charge of this thing? I thought we were supposed to be self directed, choosing which battles to fight, which political philosophies to support, on our own, w/o needing a ruler or leader. It's his brainchild, yes, but that doesn't mean that he gives orders. That's the reason I moved, because people like Dennis (not trying to pick on you) were doing there own thing without an organization to direct their actions.
That's like saying Ben Franklin is in charge of Electricity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project#History
The Free State Project was founded in 2001 by Jason Sorens, then a Ph.D. student at Yale University.[6] Sorens published an article in The Libertarian Enterprise highlighting the failure of libertarians to elect any candidate to federal office, and outlining his ideas for a secessionist movement, and calling people to respond to him with interest.[7] The movement has, since then, come to emphasize secessionism much less strongly, with Sorens publishing a note in the journal to this effect in 2004.[8] Sorens has stated that the movement continues an American tradition of political migration, which includes groups such as Mormon settlers in Utah and Amish religious communities.[9]
Also apparently I was wrong. According to http://freestateproject.org/org the head of the FSP is Varrin Swearingen.
Also, apparently I was wrong, because the FSP is about getting people to NH, not what they do there after. Woops.
And Edison is in charge of light bulbs.
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Also, apparently I was wrong, because the FSP is about getting people to NH, not what they do there after. Woops.
The FSP is about getting people to sign a statement saying they will move to NH if 20,000 other people agree to sign the statement, not actually getting them to move.
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It's pretty much everybody's business, since he's supposed to be the head of the Free State Project, a public organization, and the FSP chose New Hampshire to be its home.
He is in no way the head of the FSP. I don't think he is even in a leadership role anymore. http://www.freestateproject.org/about/organization.php#organizers
Sometimes he does some media stuff when others aren't able to do it. He also posts on the FSP forum.
He did move to NH for months. He went to events all over the state. He has given money. He campaigned for a friend. She won. She has written bills and stuff. She has helped stop bad stuff and stuff.
Also, he is a great guy, and enjoys beer. He even bought me a beer, so I know he is good.
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He even bought me a beer, so I know he is good.
That's good enough for me!
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Seems interesting that something that looks like a bureaucracy is trying to get people who are interested in freedom together in the same place...
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He did move to NH for months.
That is typically called a vacation. Supposedly, that fulfilled his first 1000 obligation.
I guess the FSP statement of intent doesn't say how long you have to move to NH for, so the 20,000 participants can just "move to NH" for a porcfest or liberty forum, and they will satisfy the FSP statement of intent.
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He did move to NH for months.
That is typically called a vacation.
Working somewhere for months isn't typically called a vacation in my circles.
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He did move to NH for months.
That is typically called a vacation.
Working somewhere for months isn't typically called a vacation in my circles.
Buy Keith a beer and you too can be exempt from his super-activist scrutiny.
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IMO, Jason hasn't fulfilled the obligation to move yet. Neither have some 9,500+ other people. But most of them only committed to move after 20,000 sign up. Jason gets major props from me for:
* being in NH whenever he can
* being active when he's here (all too many people's "activism" consists of little more than debatarianism -- with other debatarians, no less)
* giving time and money:
* manning the NHLA table at the Deerfield fair (along with his wife Mary who is also a really nice, likable person)
* campaigning for FSPers running for office
* giving TV & radio interviews about the FSP
* looking like Harry Potter
* being just a really nice guy, in stark contrast to many libertarians (such as myself)
AFAIK, Jason's never told me to do anything nor even asked me to do anything, unless you count maybe passing the ketchup while we ate one time.
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* being just a really nice guy
No, that means he's just good at lying. Like any good psychopath:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg100706#msg100706
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg101077#msg101077
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* being active when he's here (all too many people's "activism" consists of little more than debatarianism -- with other debatarians, no less)
Classic! I think urbandictionary.com needs a definition for that word.
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* being just a really nice guy
No, that means he's just good at lying. Like any good psychopath:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg100706#msg100706
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg101077#msg101077
Dude, making an attempt to hide your identity when outing a known con-artist/fraudster/psychopath is hardly in itself "psychopathic"
And it's more than a little ironic that the person who posted that message, "thetruth", did not use their real name or identifying email address and has never posted to the FSP website, before or since.
Fail.
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Dude, making an attempt to hide your identity when outing a known con-artist/fraudster/psychopath is hardly in itself "psychopathic"
JASON SORENS CAN DO NO WRONG
BTW, it was me that he "outed:.
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Dude, making an attempt to hide your identity when outing a known con-artist/fraudster/psychopath is hardly in itself "psychopathic"
JASON SORENS CAN DO NO WRONG
BTW, it was me that he "outed:.
outed?
you're gay?
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Dude, making an attempt to hide your identity when outing a known con-artist/fraudster/psychopath is hardly in itself "psychopathic"
JASON SORENS CAN DO NO WRONG
BTW, it was me that he "outed:.
outed?
you're gay?
No.
But I am half-gay.
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Dude, making an attempt to hide your identity when outing a known con-artist/fraudster/psychopath is hardly in itself "psychopathic"
JASON SORENS CAN DO NO WRONG
He fucked up the number for the FSP. That counts pretty big in my book.
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wat
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Brooke was the redheaded chick at PorcFest with the big boobies and the fairy costume, right? Who was looking for people to drive around the country with her?
FWIW, I've read elron's "Invaders Plan" 10-book series and it's hilarious, wonderful sci-fi. I especially like the part where the lesbians torture the hero by tying him up and using cheese graters on his skin then rubbin in tobasco sauce.
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... is this brooke person insane? how can you seperate LRH from the CoS?
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Brooke was the redheaded chick at PorcFest with the big boobies and the fairy costume, right? Who was looking for people to drive around the country with her?
FWIW, I've read elron's "Invaders Plan" 10-book series and it's hilarious, wonderful sci-fi. I especially like the part where the lesbians torture the hero by tying him up and using cheese graters on his skin then rubbin in tobasco sauce.
Dennis, wasn't the dekalogy called "Mission Earth"?
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Brooke was the redheaded chick at PorcFest with the big boobies and the fairy costume, right? Who was looking for people to drive around the country with her?
FWIW, I've read elron's "Invaders Plan" 10-book series and it's hilarious, wonderful sci-fi. I especially like the part where the lesbians torture the hero by tying him up and using cheese graters on his skin then rubbin in tobasco sauce.
Dennis, wasn't the dekalogy called "Mission Earth"?
I stand corrected (I think -- didn't double check). "Invaders' Plan" was the name of the first book. I think.think.
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Brooke was the redheaded chick at PorcFest with the big boobies and the fairy costume, right? Who was looking for people to drive around the country with her?
Yep, she's also the chick who ran up to me claiming that she was Alex Libman.
She was pretty cute, and a fifty pound bag full of fucking loony.
For several days she wore a Pegacorn* outfit as I recall.
*(Unicorn with wings)
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Pictures please? Someone has to have a few. Naked not mandatory, but a plus.
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Pictures please? Someone has to have a few. Naked not mandatory, but a plus.
(http://www.iamlola.org/wp-content/gallery/calendar-ladies/Brooke%20Kelley.jpg)
(http://restoretherepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/IMG_1266-300x225.jpg)
(http://restoretherepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/IMG00095.jpg)
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SHE WANTS TO HAVE YOUR L. RON HUBBARD BABIES
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maybe she's one of libman's robots and that's why she thought she was him
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One more reason Gard is a class act: he doesn't sneak a peek at her boobies the entire interview.
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Pretty sure the Georgia Guidestones are owned by someone . . . which would mean that Brooke doesn't respect private property . . . which I thought was one of the reasons behind the Free State Project, to stay free and to stay free to have your property unmolested by others, whether government or human beings . . .
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It's been abandoned for 30+ years. If I leave my house for 30 years and show no sign of returning you can feel free to poke around. Also, the time capsule says it is to be opened at apparently any date the opener deems appropriate. I wouldn't convict her of trespassing until someone who mattered told her to stop, I don't believe they did.
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It's been abandoned for 30+ years.
I think it's on someone else's property. If not, someone is paying the property taxes.
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Pretty sure the Georgia Guidestones are owned by someone . . . which would mean that Brooke doesn't respect private property . . . which I thought was one of the reasons behind the Free State Project, to stay free and to stay free to have your property unmolested by others, whether government or human beings . . .
She isn't a part of the FSP, AFAIK. She doesn't plan to move to NH, AFAIK.
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Cops hassle freestaters in Weare, NH
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2839
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Learn 2 de-interlace.
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That guy really needs to shave the neck beard.
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I complaint about FSPers I've heard from libertarian natives since I moved here is that they're focused on trivia (eg, manicure without a license) while major battles are being fought (eg, income tax, local control of education).
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Learn 2 de-interlace.
And edit a video to less than 10 minutes long for a simple arrest.
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Learn 2 de-interlace.
And edit a video to less than 10 minutes long for a simple arrest.
Well, ya know, some people just HAVE to use up the whole 10 minute limit.
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Wait. I'm confused he was charged with possession? I thought they were going to pick up cameras or something?
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Wait. I'm confused he was charged with possession? I thought they were going to pick up cameras or something?
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Learn 2 de-interlace.
And edit a video to less than 10 minutes long for a simple arrest.
I posted a comment trying to help edumatate people on youtube and I got voted down :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLv1_pTJ0tY
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Wait. I'm confused he was charged with possession? I thought they were going to pick up cameras or something?
(http://llamabutchers.mu.nu/archives/ackbar.gif)
Haha, ok I got that much. But what exactly did he get charged with possession of and when? Because if he took weed into the police station that was just idiotic.
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From what I can tell, it was in the property they seized previously.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2839.msg31828#msg31828
Simple possession. They claim residue in the ashtray and crumbs in Dian's purse. I doubt if any of it adds up to a milligram.
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Ahhh well, carrying weed everywhere you go generally isn't a good idea... although it's total bullshit either way.
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"Simple possession. They claim residue in the ashtray and crumbs in Dian's purse. I doubt if any of it adds up to a milligram. "
Lame.
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I think it would be neat if someone out there would tally up how much the government spends on these pot busts. Keep a tally of how much is spent by the government to stop a harmless pot user. Then promote that figure like crazy. It might even sway people to your side.
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I think it would be neat if someone out there would tally up how much the government spends on these pot busts.
The anti-prohibition people in the NH House Criminal Justice committee have been trying for literally years & years to get the State to some up with a few simple numbers:
* how many people are in prison in NH for simple possession
* how much time an average cop spends on simple-possession cases vs. cases involving property crime
* yadda, yadda, yadda
Stonewalled at every turn.
Fortunately, we are winning hearts and minds in that committee...
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Sam goes to jail for 6 days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0JtxGcWTY
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"I am not Sam Miller...?"
Oh yeah, that's the slave name. Totally 'nuther person.
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"I am not Sam Miller...?"
Oh yeah, that's the slave name. Totally 'nuther person.
Actually, he pointed out, yet again, that they don't follow their own rules. Rules are for us, not them.
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"I am not Sam Miller...?"
Oh yeah, that's the slave name. Totally 'nuther person.
Actually, he pointed out, yet again, that they don't follow their own rules. Rules are for us, not them.
I got that part.
I didn't get the part where he wanted to make an issue of his name.
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"I am not Sam Miller...?"
Oh yeah, that's the slave name. Totally 'nuther person.
Actually, he pointed out, yet again, that they don't follow their own rules. Rules are for us, not them.
I got that part.
I didn't get the part where he wanted to make an issue of his name.
Well, if you want to send him a letter...
http://freekeene.com/2010/04/01/send-mail-to-sam-in-jail/
We’re still waiting on Mail-to-Jail to add Sam to their site, so in the meantime, if you want to send him mail, here’s the address:
Sam Miller
160 River Road
Westmoreland, NH 03467
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"I am not Sam Miller...?"
Oh yeah, that's the slave name. Totally 'nuther person.
Actually, he pointed out, yet again, that they don't follow their own rules. Rules are for us, not them.
I got that part.
I didn't get the part where he wanted to make an issue of his name.
It's the part about putting the right guy on trial. They arrested a different guy than the one they charged, and they didn't care (all they had to do was fix their fucking paperwork.)
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It's the part about putting the right guy on trial. They arrested a different guy than the one they charged
That's the part I didn't get.
Did they arrest Sam, the guy from OTN?
Is that the guy they charged?
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It's the part about putting the right guy on trial. They arrested a different guy than the one they charged
That's the part I didn't get.
Did they arrest Sam, the guy from OTN?
Is that the guy they charged?
Looked to me like they arrested Sam Dodson and charged Sam Miller.
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It's the part about putting the right guy on trial. They arrested a different guy than the one they charged
That's the part I didn't get.
Did they arrest Sam, the guy from OTN?
Is that the guy they charged?
Looked to me like they arrested Sam Dodson and charged Sam Miller.
I watched his trial and I don't recall him bringing up the issue. If there really is an issue, he should have brought it up before trial or perhaps during trial, but to try to raise it after the case is all said and done with isn't the best strategy.
That isn't the way that they do it.
Not to mention the fact that Sam Dodson IS Sam Miller and he's deliberately trolling them.
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Just talked to Sam. He is well, in the holding area. He'll be on FTL at 7:06pm tonight.
Sam has suggested candlelight vigils for "judge" Lane and persecutor McLaughlin.
Initial address search. We did see lane walking north on Washington St. after the trial yesterday and B is his middle initial:
Howard B Lane
106 Washington St
Keene, NH 03431
(603) 352-5720
Also, Chris McLaughlin doesn't turn up anything obvious. Anyone know his middle initial?
I have ordered a report from PeopleLookup.com. How old do you think he is?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/bX7nQrCgALM
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Just talked to Sam. He is well, in the holding area. He'll be on FTL at 7:06pm tonight.
Sam has suggested candlelight vigils for "judge" Lane and persecutor McLaughlin.
Initial address search. We did see lane walking north on Washington St. after the trial yesterday and B is his middle initial:
Howard B Lane
106 Washington St
Keene, NH 03431
(603) 352-5720
Also, Chris McLaughlin doesn't turn up anything obvious. Anyone know his middle initial?
I have ordered a report from PeopleLookup.com. How old do you think he is?
and people wonder why the newhampshirement don't like the fspers
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and people wonder why the newhampshirement don't like the fspers
You're just jealous cuz you can't leave your house to go join them.
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and people wonder why the newhampshirement don't like the fspers
You're just jealous cuz you can't leave your house to go join them.
not really
detroit may be bad, but at least it's not new hampshire
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Bump.
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and people wonder why the newhampshirement don't like the fspers
You're just jealous cuz you can't leave your house to go join them.
not really
detroit may be bad, but at least it's not new hampshire
You've obviously never been here.
And I don't intend to. My limited exposure to Free Staters over the Internet annoys the fuck out of me; I don't think I'd like to be around them en masse.
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My limited exposure to Free Staters over the Internet annoys the fuck out of me; I don't think I'd like to be around them en masse.
On the Internet you're most likely to interact with FREAK STATERS. They are indeed annoying. Certainly plenty of locals would agree.
OTOH in RL you are more likely to meet Free Staters... good neighbors who are involved in their community and are getting things done. Unless, of course, you go to Keene.
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My limited exposure to Free Staters over the Internet annoys the fuck out of me; I don't think I'd like to be around them en masse.
On the Internet you're most likely to interact with FREAK STATERS. They are indeed annoying. Certainly plenty of locals would agree.
OTOH in RL you are more likely to meet Free Staters... good neighbors who are involved in their community and are getting things done. Unless, of course, you go to Keene.
The Freak Staters actually made me want to move to NH.
Your people don't.
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I've been to Detroit but never to NH. There is no way any single state is worse than Detroit.
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I don't know what is going on here, but it seems like drama. Mike Barskey is doing Shyfrog's ex-wife or something.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20482.msg320845#msg320845
Right, what I'm saying is, as their father, I don't approve of Barskey's interaction with them.
He's already proven that he has no respect for my property rights when he was repeatedly asked to leave and did not.
Now it's about parental rights.
So, if he's principled and believes in being fair, he'll come to me and perhaps look for some arrangement we can all be happy with. At this point, he has done nothing except trample all over me and then feigned ignorance and/or no responsibility for his violations of my rights.
For the record, I have no issue with him being with my ex-wife other than the fact that it may have been rather rude of him (and her) to throw that in my face. I'm not interested in pursuing that drama as it seems to be a repeating issue in the FSP groups. It comes down to whether or not he respects my rights. So far, as an individual who claims to be for liberty and respect of others property and rights, he has a poor past with me. The ball is in his court.
I am neither a statist or an anarchist or a voluntaryist or a minarchist or any other label. I am a human. I am a father. I am stating my disapproval. I have missed out on 2 years and 4 months of my children's lives because of my ex-wife's decision to lie to me about moving out here and then filing for divorce and forcing the violence of the state on me. This is part of an ongoing pattern with her that all of you will soon become aware of.
Also for the record: I pay my child support and more, I do not judge groups...only individuals, and I have never called the cops for any reason whatsoever.
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That's brutal.
Shyfrog is very nice and supremely cool.
Barskey got himself kicked out of Murply's Taproom within like 2 months of moving to NH.
You be the judge.
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And it's like we're one gigantic inbred clan.
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Did I say inbred? I meant intermarried.
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Did I say inbred? I meant intermarried.
Just wait 50 years.
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LOL:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=20055.0
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Perhaps he has been making too many hats?
(http://www.mannythemovieguy.com/images/mad-hatter-1.jpg)
Mercury will get to you.
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LOL:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=20055.0
This excerpt is the only thing that guy has said that matters to him:
Just wanted to say thank you for all the posts. Keep it up :-)
I don't understand how people can not see that that dude is a frigging troll. Sheesh.
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LOL:
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=20055.0
This excerpt is the only thing that guy has said that matters to him:
Just wanted to say thank you for all the posts. Keep it up :-)
I don't understand how people can not see that that dude is a frigging troll. Sheesh.
Low men in yellow coats.
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Guy drama....that's a new twist for this thread.
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Next on the docket: trial of Barskey for violation of man law #1a: "Bros before Hos".
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Next on the docket: trial of Barskey for violation of man law #1a: "Bros before Hos".
I'm guilty of that one.
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Next on the docket: trial of Barskey for violation of man law #1a: "Bros before Hos".
That, and #2, "tip yer damn waitress, especially if she's wearing a hot lil' outfit"
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Next on the docket: trial of Barskey for violation of man law #1a: "Bros before Hos".
That, and #2, "tip yer damn waitress, especially if she's wearing a hot lil' outfit"
Man law says nothing about paying for it. I'm sorry Dennis but you'll have to either turn in your man card or wait until someone rolls an 8.
http://www.ranker.com/list/the-10-commandments-of-man-law/litgoddess
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Guy_Code
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Laws
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This court finds in favor of the other dude. It is the responsibility of the interloper to give a wide berth to a family situation. Not saying he couldn't tap dat ass, but it must be done in a passive manner with regard to the happiness of the displaced primary male - who is likely to use a 4D Maglite to vent his frustrations upon the skull of the philanderer, a suitable reaction which would breeze past this bench with a nod and acquittal, and an admonishment to the victim for unwisely having his head in the vicinity of said cudgel.
I'll be in my chamber, spinning my globe and drinking Scotch. We are adjourned.
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Next on the docket: trial of Barskey for violation of man law #1a: "Bros before Hos".
That, and #2, "tip yer damn waitress, especially if she's wearing a hot lil' outfit"
But not if she doesn't bring your change back or gives you shitty service.
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This court finds in favor of the other dude. It is the responsibility of the interloper to give a wide berth to a family situation. Not saying he couldn't tap dat ass, but it must be done in a passive manner with regard to the happiness of the displaced primary male - who is likely to use a 4D Maglite to vent his frustrations upon the skull of the philanderer, a suitable reaction which would breeze past this bench with a nod and acquittal, and an admonishment to the victim for unwisely having his head in the vicinity of said cudgel.
I'll be in my chamber, spinning my globe and drinking Scotch. We are adjourned.
You should judge for shire silver.
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This court finds in favor of the other dude. It is the responsibility of the interloper to give a wide berth to a family situation. Not saying he couldn't tap dat ass, but it must be done in a passive manner with regard to the happiness of the displaced primary male - who is likely to use a 4D Maglite to vent his frustrations upon the skull of the philanderer, a suitable reaction which would breeze past this bench with a nod and acquittal, and an admonishment to the victim for unwisely having his head in the vicinity of said cudgel.
I'll be in my chamber, spinning my globe and drinking Scotch. We are adjourned.
You should judge for shire silver.
Brasky...shire reeve:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enUo-1TjdEs
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This court finds in favor of the other dude. It is the responsibility of the interloper to give a wide berth to a family situation. Not saying he couldn't tap dat ass, but it must be done in a passive manner with regard to the happiness of the displaced primary male - who is likely to use a 4D Maglite to vent his frustrations upon the skull of the philanderer, a suitable reaction which would breeze past this bench with a nod and acquittal, and an admonishment to the victim for unwisely having his head in the vicinity of said cudgel.
I'll be in my chamber, spinning my globe and drinking Scotch. We are adjourned.
You should judge for shire silver.
I shan't sully the noble calling of Justice. When the lulz are no longer adequate recompense, I shall step down from the bench.
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Next on the docket: trial of Barskey for violation of man law #1a: "Bros before Hos".
We must first ascertain whether or not the dudes in question were in fact 'bros'.
So one makes a claim that he's always been supporting the other. Are they bros?
Same one makes a claim that the other is an absentminded doof. Are they bros?
Is this some sort of historical revision? Or were they not actually bros, but rather acquaintances on the border of becoming bros, when the violation in question occurred.
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Mike Barskey takes a face full of flames at the Census Burn
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That video should be inadmissible for the assigning guilt phase of the proceedings but mandatory for sentencing as it clearly shows significant levels of douchebaggery.
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lol! Guilty. Mandatory minimum of a 12 months of playing "hide the koosh."
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Burning paper in a used paint can, smart.
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More drama on the way. I almost want to donate the bus fare.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2979.msg32928;topicseen#msg32928
Steve-O
EMERGENCY MOVE TO NH! ASSISTANCE NEEDED PLEASE...
I posted this on the main FSP forum also, but thought I might get some more exposure if I post it here too...
Alright, here's what just happened (literally an hour ago). My girlfriend that I have been committed to and living with for 6 months, just got caught red handed cheating on me. So, instead of admitting her wrongdoing and trying to work it out, she called the cops on me and forced me to leave my own home. I had to leave cause my name isnt on the lease. What a shitty technicality!
What makes it worse, shortly after we moved in together, I sold my car cause we just didn't need it. So I am carless.
Now I have no place to go. The only thing getting me through this mess is that Im hoping its a sign that I should make the move now since I really dont have anywhere else to go. Plus I've been wanting to move there ever since I learned of the FSP. This kind of opened the door for me.
I'm hoping for something that is within walking distance of free Wifi and public transportation.
I will have money to pay for a couch or spare room.
I have a check coming on the 17th of this month, and will be able to get a bus ticket immediately after that.
I prefer Keene or Manchester as a destination.
PLEASE, IF ANYONE HAS SPACE, OR KNOWS SOMEONE WHO HAS SPACE, PLEASE CONTACT ME.
Thank you all for any help you can offer. I look forward to meeting you all very soon.
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A new leech, coming to a NH town near you.
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It's an unfortunate name for the kind of help he's looking for. Who wants Steve-O crashing on their couch? Should have changed his handle to Alton Brown or Ty Pennington first.
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Yeah, go job hunting before you decide where to live. I'd rather have a job and live outta my car than jobless on someones couch.
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Yeah, go job hunting before you decide where to live. I'd rather have a job and live outta my car than jobless on someones couch.
I wouldn't. The back of your car is only moderately acceptable when your completely plastered.
What makes it worse, shortly after we moved in together, I sold my car cause we just didn't need it. So I am carless.
So... where's the money?
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Yeah, go job hunting before you decide where to live. I'd rather have a job and live outta my car than jobless on someones couch.
I wouldn't. The back of your car is only moderately acceptable when your completely plastered.
What makes it worse, shortly after we moved in together, I sold my car cause we just didn't need it. So I am carless.
So... where's the money?
He said he has money.
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Actually, I thought it sounded like he only had money from a check he was getting on the 17th. Unless it's a big check - sounds like a guy in bad circumstances where he is, with little or no cash, is getting on a bus and coming here with no job to crash on someone's couch.
Sounds like an amazing plan.
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I hope you guys don't give me too much shit when I am asking for a couch to sleep.
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You can crash on my couch any time but if you're in a position where you HAVE to the shit giving will be epic.
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I hope you guys don't give me too much shit when I am asking for a couch to sleep.
Why do I think you would have no problem finding a bunch of places to crash when you are here? You're hardly the the type that I would be concerned about crashing on the couch.....
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I hope you guys don't give me too much shit when I am asking for a couch to sleep.
You're not a stranger who is apparently coming from very dodgy circumstances.
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I already made my position on Steve-O subtly clear in this thead: http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2947.0
Of course I got ripped for it.
edit: Strange he didn't mention this committed girlfriend in his request for a roommate. You'd think that would be something you'd say if you were trying to move somewhere.
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I'll let any free-stater (or wannabe) crash on my futon if they'd like or if they're in the area.
Rules for acceptance would be:
If I'm friends with you on facebook and have some level of trust, you could stay for awhile rent free, minimal mooching of food/car rides/etc.
If I am unsure about you I'd request collateral to keep you from stealing my shit and running. Allowing me to lock an envelope with your social security card might work, or some other valuable item you'd hesitate to leave behind.
If you call yourself "pubella" or "anarchojesse". Dont bother coming by :)
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Hey now, he might be the next...
I think we should start cataloging success cases where people came with <$200 and no job and "made" it.
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Hey now, he might be the next...
I think we should start cataloging success cases where people came with <$200 and no job and "made" it.
Good idea. Start listing them please.
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Sounds like an amazing plan.
You should volunteer your couch then
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Sounds like an amazing plan.
You should volunteer your couch then
I'm sure I'll volunteer mine when I get there. Hold me to this statement.
Of course I don't forsee my traveling there to live for at least 2-3 years :(
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Hey now, he might be the next...
I think we should start cataloging success cases where people came with <$200 and no job and "made" it.
Good idea. Start listing them please.
People need to understand you cant just jump without bending your legs. You cant just jump from standing flat footed.
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People need to understand you cant just jump without bending your legs. You cant just jump from standing flat footed.
But you can trust fall :)
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Russ Kanning has been arrested for failure to pay child support (again), according to the flurry of Porc411 calls.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.
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Actually, I thought it sounded like he only had money from a check he was getting on the 17th. Unless it's a big check - sounds like a guy in bad circumstances where he is, with little or no cash, is getting on a bus and coming here with no job to crash on someone's couch.
Sounds like an amazing plan.
This sounds familiar...I wonder...
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j40/GeistDesFritz/ryanmar.jpg)
Hey! I think I recognize that guy!
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http://freekeene.com/2010/04/16/mass-free-stater-arrests-possible-round-up-occurring/
Mass Free Stater Arrests – Possible Round-Up Occurring
— Ian at 10:59 pm on Friday, April 16, 2010
Last night, former Keeniac and publisher of the New Hampshire Free Press, Russell Kanning was kidnapped by armed men in Lebanon. Tonight, activist Jim Johnson was arrested at his home by staties allegedly on a “disorderly conduct” charge from Nashua. How many times has ANYONE been arrested weeks later for “disorderly conduct”? That’s normally a catch-all they bust you with on the spot during an encounter. He is being held in Westmoreland jail with Russell at least until an arraignment on Monday.
Not only that, but there is also an arrest warrant out for Jim’s wife, heroic civil disobedience superactivist Lauren Canario. Presumably for the same “offense”. Jim and Lauren haven’t been in Nashua for weeks. The last time he was there was during the Nashua 420 crackdown. Considering there were dozens of activists there, should any who can be identified be concerned that an arrest warrant has been issued for them as well?
Who will be next?
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So they might be going after activists. No surprise. There will be a long shitstorm of that sort of thing at some point, if not now. There's always something you can charge a person with in any circumstance.
Russ Kanning not paying child support is nothing new, though.
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Russ Kanning not paying child support is nothing new, though.
The police have been trying to locate him for a while.
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So they might be going after activists.
I think it is only Nashua's POP unit that has a bee in their bonnet, so to speak. I don't think Kanning's arrest is related to Jim's.
There's always something you can charge a person with in any circumstance.
I agree. Even if the charges are totally bogus, which is what I think you meant. But that reminds me of a book I just recently heard about: Three Felonies a Day
(http://www.threefelonies.com/Default.aspx)
It is only a slight exaggeration to say that the average busy professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, takes care of personal and family obligations, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she likely committed several federal crimes that day.
I have no idea whether any charges are legit or not, I'm just saying that if a cop wants to get someone, they have many options. I also said "Might be going after activists." I have no idea.
<<<Immune to conspiracy, already had it once, just like chicken pox.
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Russ Kanning not paying child support is nothing new, though.
The police have been trying to locate him for a while.
OIC
So it's the same situation, not a new one?
Also unsurprising.
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The cops have unlimited charges.Do the activists have unlimited funds for lawyers?
How long can a nationally syndicated radio host go broadcasting that he doesnt pay income taxes before the scumbags notice?
cough,cough,Ed and Elaine Brown*,cough
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How long can a nationally syndicated radio host go broadcasting that he doesnt pay income taxes before the scumbags notice?
IIRC, he doesn't have to, legally, by virtue of having virtually no income. If that is the case then really he really should clarify when he makes that point. If that is not the case then I'll keep AMPing the Ian-less FTL in 10 years when the Feds actually catch up to him.
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How long can a nationally syndicated radio host go broadcasting that he doesnt pay income taxes before the scumbags notice?
IIRC, he doesn't have to, legally, by virtue of having virtually no income. If that is the case then really he really should clarify when he makes that point. If that is not the case then I'll keep AMPing the Ian-less FTL in 10 years when the Feds actually catch up to him.
People rent a place from him. It seems very unlikely that his income is below the threshold...usually somewhere around $4,000.
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Russ Kanning not paying child support is nothing new, though.
The police have been trying to locate him for a while.
OIC
So it's the same situation, not a new one?
Also unsurprising.
The cops thought Jim Johnson was Russell Kanning about a year ago, and tried to get Jim to show ID.
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From what I can tell, Russell moved to Grafton to hide out. Hiding out in Grafton only works if you don't leave Grafton.
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Sergeant O'Malley (Nashua PD): ... So, in conclusion, to get more funding next year "Operation Shake Down Brown" will require a change from 3 shifts/week to 4 shifts/week and a 20% increase in overtime for court testimony. Are there any questions?
From the Crowd in the Wardroom: What about this 420 in the park thing I printed off the AOL?
O'Malley: (scans paper furiously) uhhh...Ok, so "Operation Shake Down Brown" has been a tremendous success and a model of best practices as the final report will note. Today, I'd like to announce "Windows in the Park" our new policing strategy to clean up Nashua beginning by handing the parks back to city residents through good old fashioned PO-lice work. Are there any questions?
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How long can a nationally syndicated radio host go broadcasting that he doesnt pay income taxes before the scumbags notice?
IIRC, he doesn't have to, legally, by virtue of having virtually no income. If that is the case then really he really should clarify when he makes that point. If that is not the case then I'll keep AMPing the Ian-less FTL in 10 years when the Feds actually catch up to him.
Apparently he has renters and at least one couch. So he makes money that can be considered to be taxed.
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Sergeant O'Malley (Nashua PD): ... So, in conclusion, to get more funding next year "Operation Shake Down Brown" will require a change from 3 shifts/week to 4 shifts/week and a 20% increase in overtime for court testimony. Are there any questions?
From the Crowd in the Wardroom: What about this 420 in the park thing I printed off the AOL?
O'Malley: (scans paper furiously) uhhh...Ok, so "Operation Shake Down Brown" has been a tremendous success and a model of best practices as the final report will note. Today, I'd like to announce "Windows in the Park" our new policing strategy to clean up Nashua beginning by handing the parks back to city residents through good old fashioned PO-lice work. Are there any questions?
also normally I'd think this was a joke but . . . yeah
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2997.msg33192#msg33192
Just in: At about noon today Sat Apr 17, three Manchester cops came to Big Mike's door, and demanded to be let in. Joe locked the door, asked to see a warrant. Police claimed to have warrant but refused to show it. Unholstered guns, demanded entry. Joe opened door. Cops entered, pointed guns at Joe and Mike, then arrested Mike for disorderly conduct from t...he Nashua 420 during the Liberty Forum last March. Details are sketchy at this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoGJX2SCKSU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-kHxzKhf1w
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Well this is starting to get interesting.
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FTL should be pretty good tonight.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3004.msg33195;topicseen#msg33195
Arrests since Liberty Forum 2010
Louis
Cat
David
Curtis on 3-24-10; charged with Felony Dispensing a controlled substance (RSA 318-B:2.1)
Carla
Will
Tyler
Dian
Russell
Jim
Mike
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I talked with Big Mike at the Nashua 420. I didn't see him do anything disorderly. He was just sitting there minding his own business.
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I talked with Big Mike at the Nashua 420. I didn't see him do anything disorderly. He was just sitting there minding his own business.
I wonder if they'll come for me in Florida.
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I wonder if it is a crackdown before 420 at 4:20 on 4/20.
http://www.420at420.org/
420 at 4:20 on 4/20
“Would you smoke a bowl for freedom?”
After years spent engaging the political process, fighting not just for legalization but simply for decriminalization and medical marijuana, it should be apparent to all that the politicians of New Hampshire have no intention of listening to reason.
Instead, we must demonstrate to all that we will not be intimidated by their words on paper. As peaceful people we refuse to submit to their violent rule of law. As Penn Jillette said, “Fighting for freedom is a losing battle. Taking liberty is what real Americans do.”
Let us take our liberty. Join us on the lawn of the State Capitol building as we celebrate our rights as free people! Bring some friends, some bud, and a revolutionary spirit.
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010
Time: 4:20 PM
Place: State House lawn (107 N. Main St., Concord)
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It seems they have decided that free staters and civil disobedience is a threat and will do just nicely to fill the new jail they just built.How many bodies do they need for it?
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It was Nashua cops that had the two arrested. There isn't even a real jail in Nashua, the folks are sent to Manchester. The cops have been looking for Russell for quite sometime.
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False alarm then, no real "sting" or "roundup", just a few coincidentally at the same time.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321636#msg321636
Kat:
They want $10,000 ransom to let Russell go. I don't even have $100 to give them, so he's in there forever, I guess. I'm not asking for money, BTW, as I have no way to pay it back
They want $2000/month. I make $800/month. I can't keep him out of jail on that. They apparently aren't going to let him work a regular job. There's no way out of this.
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
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I just got news that several students at Concord Senior High were arrested for pot today. Dunno if any of them were involved with the 420-at-420 thing.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321636#msg321636
Kat:
They want $10,000 ransom to let Russell go. I don't even have $100 to give them, so he's in there forever, I guess. I'm not asking for money, BTW, as I have no way to pay it back
They want $2000/month. I make $800/month. I can't keep him out of jail on that. They apparently aren't going to let him work a regular job. There's no way out of this.
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
this is why you should always pay your child support.
or get sterilized before you have to pay 18 years for a kid.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321636#msg321636
Kat:
They want $10,000 ransom to let Russell go. I don't even have $100 to give them, so he's in there forever, I guess. I'm not asking for money, BTW, as I have no way to pay it back
They want $2000/month. I make $800/month. I can't keep him out of jail on that. They apparently aren't going to let him work a regular job. There's no way out of this.
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
this is why you should always pay your child support.
or get sterilized before you have to pay 18 years for a kid.
Any quotes on the average price of such a sterilization?
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321636#msg321636
Kat:
They want $10,000 ransom to let Russell go. I don't even have $100 to give them, so he's in there forever, I guess. I'm not asking for money, BTW, as I have no way to pay it back
They want $2000/month. I make $800/month. I can't keep him out of jail on that. They apparently aren't going to let him work a regular job. There's no way out of this.
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
this is why you should always pay your child support.
or get sterilized before you have to pay 18 years for a kid.
Russell adopted those kids when they were 4 and 5, I believe. Now she won't let him see them.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321636#msg321636
Kat:
They want $10,000 ransom to let Russell go. I don't even have $100 to give them, so he's in there forever, I guess. I'm not asking for money, BTW, as I have no way to pay it back
They want $2000/month. I make $800/month. I can't keep him out of jail on that. They apparently aren't going to let him work a regular job. There's no way out of this.
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
this is why you should always pay your child support.
or get sterilized before you have to pay 18 years for a kid.
Any quotes on the average price of such a sterilization?
$700
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321636#msg321636
Kat:
They want $10,000 ransom to let Russell go. I don't even have $100 to give them, so he's in there forever, I guess. I'm not asking for money, BTW, as I have no way to pay it back
They want $2000/month. I make $800/month. I can't keep him out of jail on that. They apparently aren't going to let him work a regular job. There's no way out of this.
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
this is why you should always pay your child support.
or get sterilized before you have to pay 18 years for a kid.
Russell adopted those kids when they were 4 and 5, I believe. Now she won't let him see them.
Wow thats even worse for him. :(
And 700 is too much right now, thats nearly 3 paycheck!
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321636#msg321636
Kat:
They want $10,000 ransom to let Russell go. I don't even have $100 to give them, so he's in there forever, I guess. I'm not asking for money, BTW, as I have no way to pay it back
They want $2000/month. I make $800/month. I can't keep him out of jail on that. They apparently aren't going to let him work a regular job. There's no way out of this.
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
this is why you should always pay your child support.
or get sterilized before you have to pay 18 years for a kid.
Russell adopted those kids when they were 4 and 5, I believe. Now she won't let him see them.
wow, didn't expect to hear that
poor bastard :(
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321636#msg321636
Kat:
They want $10,000 ransom to let Russell go. I don't even have $100 to give them, so he's in there forever, I guess. I'm not asking for money, BTW, as I have no way to pay it back
They want $2000/month. I make $800/month. I can't keep him out of jail on that. They apparently aren't going to let him work a regular job. There's no way out of this.
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
this is why you should always pay your child support.
or get sterilized before you have to pay 18 years for a kid.
Russell adopted those kids when they were 4 and 5, I believe. Now she won't let him see them.
wow, didn't expect to hear that
poor bastard :(
Thats the definition of a c-nt.As for sterilization get it done before obamacare ruins your medical system.I had it done under our public system and the doctor botched the job,leaving me hobbling around for six weeks instead of a few days.Actually he let a trainee operate while he played golf or whatever the fuck he was doing,and I cant sue him as doctors are a protected species along with the rest of their mafia syndicate.
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Russell adopted those kids when they were 4 and 5, I believe. Now she won't let him see them.
IIRC, the two boys are adopted, and the girl is his biological daughter, but I'm not sure why that would matter. According to the ex-wife, Russell was abusive to at least one of the boys. Also, I'm pretty sure the boys are over 18, so it's not up to the ex-wife if Russell can see those kids.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230218#msg230218
RussellsEx
(Russell, as you know, is a Christian. When he married, he really meant for life. His wife kicked him out without just cause. She got everything...kids, house, all of Russell's personal possessions (which she wouldn't give to him). Last he saw her she was driving a brand new Escalade. After she kicked him out, she got a restraining order claiming he was violent (Mr. Pacifist, violent ). She refused to let him see his children. She refuses to let him even call his children. He decided he was not going to be a slave to some woman who treated him like that - to pay for her to take his children away from him. He's offered to take the children. He wanted nothing more than to stay there and raise the kids, be a family. She chose otherwise. Now he's in jail for not paying child support. The kids don't even know why he doesn't call or see them - the mother lets them think he just doesn't care. He won't be mean enough to her to tell the kids what's happening.)
Kat, I am so stunned by all of this. I cannot believe how wrong this all is. I would like to defend myself, and find this incredibly awkward. It saddens me how the truth about Russell's past has been completely obliterated by people who don't care enough about those facts to actually check them out. I have long felt the irony that Russell is only now a "pacivist"?? This wasn't our experience at all. Personally, I think it is an overcompensation for the violence he displayed in our marriage and towards our children. He did make strides to change, but it was my opinion, and others around me, including his own parents at the time, that his being with the children was NOT wise, as his lack of self-control was in danger of seriously harming them. We lived it. You have only heard one side of the story...and though I am sorry when anyone is unjustly treated, it bears repeating that one must know first if the punishment is in fact, just. If it is...then justice must prevail. The fact that he still defends those wrong actions tells me that his 'rehabilitation' was not effective. And yes, he owes his children a lot of money....over $100,000. What would you do if it were YOUR children?
Kat, I would like to specifically address some of the untruths you posted...
I don't own an Escalade. I own a 1997 Blazer.
I worked 2 jobs for a while for my kids, as Russell wasn't contributing anything towards their LIFE...life he contributed to, and said he would be responsible for.
I never asked for alimony. I made a special request that the $1200 mo child support (mandated by the court, not me) would be reduced. He refused to cooperate at all. At one point, I asked him to give the 3 kids a total of $50 mo...he adamantly refused, on some higher moral ground?? What moral ground is higher than providing for your own kids? Or at least contributing, even if you hate your Ex wife?
I didn't get the house at all. As a matter of fact, it was my idea that he move back into it...no court documents, just a verbal agreement, and live there. (I couldn't afford it, and that was finewith me to move.) He agreed to do this. The deal was that he would make the house payments, and that one day, if we both agreed to sell, we'd split the proceeds. 5 mos later, I got a fluke call from the mortgage co, informing me the house was about to foreclose. I called him immediately. He laughed and said he hadn't paid a dime. In fact, some transients were living with him, and he was using their pmts to live off. The gas was shut off, and they were cooking over an open fire in the living room. I asked him if I could call the realtor and at least try to avoid foreclosure. He agreed. We were able to sell it immediately. 6 mos later I got $700. So, if that is getting 'everything'....
When you say "she kicked him out without just cause"??? The financial elements were what was least wrong about my situation. I got a restraining order because he was close to killing our oldest son, after he'd lied (He was 8). Russell kicked me in the stomach while I was pregnant, and on the ground, after he'd pushed me down. He did some awful things within 3 mo of being married. But it was when he started hurting the kids in drastic ways...not just a traditional spanking, that I began to be scared. I filed for a separation first, and we remained in that state for 2 years, until in my estimation, any hope of reconciliation was truly over.
I did make a lot of choices along the way...I stayed for many years, trying to work on a marriage with someone who was harming me. But in the end, I chose wisely to extricate myself from him. Initially, I did not want the children to spend time with him at all. They remembered some of the really bad times too. They never questioned my reasons....they knew!
Since the kids are older, I have encouraged letter writing and phone calls. They are not interested. (I know anyone reading this will believe that I have poisoned their minds...but truly, I didn't.) They just didn't want to. When I did make suggestions for some reconcilation with them, (letters/calls/visits) he has written them each once on their birthdays and Christmas. Period.
Russell is not innocent here. His past is finally catching up to him. Maybe if he had taken care of his prior responsibilities, at least in part, he wouldn't be where he is today. He is a fugitive by choice.
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Russell adopted those kids when they were 4 and 5, I believe. Now she won't let him see them.
IIRC, the two boys are adopted, and the girl is his biological daughter, but I'm not sure why that would matter. According to the ex-wife, Russell was abusive to at least one of the boys. Also, I'm pretty sure the boys are over 18, so it's not up to the ex-wife if Russell can see those kids.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230218#msg230218
RussellsEx
(Russell, as you know, is a Christian. When he married, he really meant for life. His wife kicked him out without just cause. She got everything...kids, house, all of Russell's personal possessions (which she wouldn't give to him). Last he saw her she was driving a brand new Escalade. After she kicked him out, she got a restraining order claiming he was violent (Mr. Pacifist, violent ). She refused to let him see his children. She refuses to let him even call his children. He decided he was not going to be a slave to some woman who treated him like that - to pay for her to take his children away from him. He's offered to take the children. He wanted nothing more than to stay there and raise the kids, be a family. She chose otherwise. Now he's in jail for not paying child support. The kids don't even know why he doesn't call or see them - the mother lets them think he just doesn't care. He won't be mean enough to her to tell the kids what's happening.)
Kat, I am so stunned by all of this. I cannot believe how wrong this all is. I would like to defend myself, and find this incredibly awkward. It saddens me how the truth about Russell's past has been completely obliterated by people who don't care enough about those facts to actually check them out. I have long felt the irony that Russell is only now a "pacivist"?? This wasn't our experience at all. Personally, I think it is an overcompensation for the violence he displayed in our marriage and towards our children. He did make strides to change, but it was my opinion, and others around me, including his own parents at the time, that his being with the children was NOT wise, as his lack of self-control was in danger of seriously harming them. We lived it. You have only heard one side of the story...and though I am sorry when anyone is unjustly treated, it bears repeating that one must know first if the punishment is in fact, just. If it is...then justice must prevail. The fact that he still defends those wrong actions tells me that his 'rehabilitation' was not effective. And yes, he owes his children a lot of money....over $100,000. What would you do if it were YOUR children?
Kat, I would like to specifically address some of the untruths you posted...
I don't own an Escalade. I own a 1997 Blazer.
I worked 2 jobs for a while for my kids, as Russell wasn't contributing anything towards their LIFE...life he contributed to, and said he would be responsible for.
I never asked for alimony. I made a special request that the $1200 mo child support (mandated by the court, not me) would be reduced. He refused to cooperate at all. At one point, I asked him to give the 3 kids a total of $50 mo...he adamantly refused, on some higher moral ground?? What moral ground is higher than providing for your own kids? Or at least contributing, even if you hate your Ex wife?
I didn't get the house at all. As a matter of fact, it was my idea that he move back into it...no court documents, just a verbal agreement, and live there. (I couldn't afford it, and that was finewith me to move.) He agreed to do this. The deal was that he would make the house payments, and that one day, if we both agreed to sell, we'd split the proceeds. 5 mos later, I got a fluke call from the mortgage co, informing me the house was about to foreclose. I called him immediately. He laughed and said he hadn't paid a dime. In fact, some transients were living with him, and he was using their pmts to live off. The gas was shut off, and they were cooking over an open fire in the living room. I asked him if I could call the realtor and at least try to avoid foreclosure. He agreed. We were able to sell it immediately. 6 mos later I got $700. So, if that is getting 'everything'....
When you say "she kicked him out without just cause"??? The financial elements were what was least wrong about my situation. I got a restraining order because he was close to killing our oldest son, after he'd lied (He was 8). Russell kicked me in the stomach while I was pregnant, and on the ground, after he'd pushed me down. He did some awful things within 3 mo of being married. But it was when he started hurting the kids in drastic ways...not just a traditional spanking, that I began to be scared. I filed for a separation first, and we remained in that state for 2 years, until in my estimation, any hope of reconciliation was truly over.
I did make a lot of choices along the way...I stayed for many years, trying to work on a marriage with someone who was harming me. But in the end, I chose wisely to extricate myself from him. Initially, I did not want the children to spend time with him at all. They remembered some of the really bad times too. They never questioned my reasons....they knew!
Since the kids are older, I have encouraged letter writing and phone calls. They are not interested. (I know anyone reading this will believe that I have poisoned their minds...but truly, I didn't.) They just didn't want to. When I did make suggestions for some reconcilation with them, (letters/calls/visits) he has written them each once on their birthdays and Christmas. Period.
Russell is not innocent here. His past is finally catching up to him. Maybe if he had taken care of his prior responsibilities, at least in part, he wouldn't be where he is today. He is a fugitive by choice.
I think I recall having read that like 3 years ago. It is very difficult to reconcile in one's mind what to think when 2 people's stories seem so different. I worked with Russell day in and day out for months on my house. You know how carpentry is, wouldn't you expect the man that she describes to lose ... a little bit of control ... at least once? To make a wrong cut and scream "God Dammit!"? To throw the pencil or a scrap of wood? To scowl and grumble? Russell never did any of those things. He was a ray of f*cking sunshine the WHOLE time. Never the slightest outburst. I cuss and yell every hammer stroke. Russell must have reached a state of nirvana to have changed from the child beating, living room open fire cooking caveman that lady describes. I am not sure if she is lying, but lying eloquently does not make what one says true.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321636#msg321636
Kat:
They want $10,000 ransom to let Russell go. I don't even have $100 to give them, so he's in there forever, I guess. I'm not asking for money, BTW, as I have no way to pay it back
They want $2000/month. I make $800/month. I can't keep him out of jail on that. They apparently aren't going to let him work a regular job. There's no way out of this.
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
this is why you should always pay your child support.
or get sterilized before you have to pay 18 years for a kid.
Russell adopted those kids when they were 4 and 5, I believe. Now she won't let him see them.
wow, didn't expect to hear that
poor bastard :(
Thats the definition of a c-nt.As for sterilization get it done before obamacare ruins your medical system.I had it done under our public system and the doctor botched the job,leaving me hobbling around for six weeks instead of a few days.Actually he let a trainee operate while he played golf or whatever the fuck he was doing,and I cant sue him as doctors are a protected species along with the rest of their mafia syndicate.
Haha, what the fuck.
As long as I'm taking estrogen pills I don't have much chance of having kids anyway, so yeah.
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Mine's happening tomorrow morning. $1300 but the doc says the procedure will take 15 mins and I can go to work that day, no problem.
Yeah, I'm getting sterilized. 2 is enough.
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Mine's happening tomorrow morning. $1300 but the doc says the procedure will take 15 mins and I can go to work that day, no problem.
Yeah, I'm getting sterilized. 2 is enough.
Good for you! Keep us updated.
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It is very difficult to reconcile in one's mind what to think when 2 people's stories seem so different.
It is, but I have never heard Russell's side of the story. I've read Kat's version of Russell's side, but I'm not sure how reliable a second hand version from the new lady is. I don't know what to believe, but it makes good drama.
I worked with Russell day in and day out for months on my house. You know how carpentry is, wouldn't you expect the man that she describes to lose ... a little bit of control ... at least once? To make a wrong cut and scream "God Dammit!"? To throw the pencil or a scrap of wood? To scowl and grumble? Russell never did any of those things. He was a ray of f*cking sunshine the WHOLE time. Never the slightest outburst.
I really don't see how one thing has to do with the other. I also think people can change.*
I cuss and yell every hammer stroke. Russell must have reached a state of nirvana to have changed from the child beating, living room open fire cooking caveman that lady describes.
I can totally see Russell with a bunch of bums around an open fire in the living room of a house he no longer pays the mortgage on. Child beating, I don't know.
I am not sure if she is lying, but lying eloquently does not make what one says true.
I don't take what she says as gospel truth, but it's the only first person account I have.
*except to for pedophiles
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I used to steal, I don't any more. Change is possible.
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I used to steal, I don't any more. Change is possible.
Sure, I am not saying that changing one's behavior is impossible. I used to steal too. I used to lie. I don't do any of the former now and far less of the latter. What I am saying is: anger and its results are a FAR deeper root to dig up and it would take an EXTRAORDINARY (bordering on non-existant) person to have changed that fundamentally. I believe that one could do it, I just believe the chance that I meet and grow close to a person that could do it is statistically unlikely.
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Maybe he took LSD.
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Maybe losing your entire family would cause you to rethink the way you act.
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Maybe losing your entire family would cause you to rethink the way you act.
If that were true, one would then think that you would attempt to make amends for your previous wrong doings. This is my point, the Russell Kanning that I know today is EXTREMELY incongruous with the one that she paints a picture of. Anything is possible, but the most likely answer here is that his ex-wife is lying. On one side you have a guy that must have made a dramatic character change without a hint of his old violent self (not a behavioral change, but a fundamental character change) or some lady lying about her ex-husband. If I apply Occam's Razor to this one, I get lying spouse.
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Maybe its biased because he is a freedom activist, but I'm certainly leaning towards what Mark is saying. If many sources vouch for his character, and a woman who is certainly biased against him (an ex-wife who wants his $$) is the only one doubting his sincerity...
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Maybe its biased because he is a freedom activist, but I'm certainly leaning towards what Mark is saying. If many sources vouch for his character, and a woman who is certainly biased against him (an ex-wife who wants his $$) is the only one doubting his sincerity...
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg236329#msg236329
Sometimes I didn't make her feel loved or safe.
I held her down a couple of times and kicked in the front door once.
I held Joe up on a wall when he was arguing with Mindy once and she said that really scared her.
I used to get angry when things didn't go my way or I felt I had the "right" to something like respect.
I was depressed when Mindy separated and divorced me. But no way I threatened to kill them.
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Maybe its biased because he is a freedom activist, but I'm certainly leaning towards what Mark is saying. If many sources vouch for his character, and a woman who is certainly biased against him (an ex-wife who wants his $$) is the only one doubting his sincerity...
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg236329#msg236329
Sometimes I didn't make her feel loved or safe.
I held her down a couple of times and kicked in the front door once.
I held Joe up on a wall when he was arguing with Mindy once and she said that really scared her.
I used to get angry when things didn't go my way or I felt I had the "right" to something like respect.
I was depressed when Mindy separated and divorced me. But no way I threatened to kill them.
I hadn't read that admonition before, and I wouldn't have believed it if Russell hadn't said it (I trust that he did, I didn't check the link.), but it still doesn't paint the picture that she did. I guess that is what I have been trying to say, I am inclined to believe Russell's account still, not split the difference. The word "couple" bothers me because it means 2 but people use it to mean a few. Holding a woman down and picking a kid up are not the same as beating them. I punched the wall once when I was mad at my wife (my house is all wood, it hurt bad). It would be unfair to call me a wife beater. I was angry, I am sure she was frightened. That was partially the point, I would guess.
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I hadn't read that admonition before, and I wouldn't have believed it if Russell hadn't said it (I trust that he did, I didn't check the link.), but it still doesn't paint the picture that she did.
But it still paints the picture of Russell as an abusive piece of shit.
I guess that is what I have been trying to say, I am inclined to believe Russell's account still, not split the difference.
Yes, I know. It's not logical. There is nothing that can be said to convince you, because you like Russell.
The word "couple" bothers me because it means 2 but people use it to mean a few. Holding a woman down and picking a kid up are not the same as beating them.
Once is too much, and it's still abuse. It doesn't matter if he beat them. I don't blame her for wanting a restraining order or a divorce.
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an ex-wife who wants his $$
Why didn't she try to get alimony?
She certainly could have.
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I hadn't read that admonition before, and I wouldn't have believed it if Russell hadn't said it (I trust that he did, I didn't check the link.), but it still doesn't paint the picture that she did.
But it still paints the picture of Russell as an abusive piece of shit.
I guess that is what I have been trying to say, I am inclined to believe Russell's account still, not split the difference.
Yes, I know. It's not logical. There is nothing that can be said to convince you, because you like Russell.
The word "couple" bothers me because it means 2 but people use it to mean a few. Holding a woman down and picking a kid up are not the same as beating them.
Once is too much, and it's still abuse. It doesn't matter if he beat them. I don't blame her for wanting a restraining order or a divorce.
WOW! That is harsh. You call a man a piece of shit for some acts done years ago, that he fessed up to and that have been exaggerated by others.
Let's talk about your deep seated resentments towards some people in the FSP and the FSP generally. I have never heard the story or why you hate them so, who they are and why you blame the whole group for actions of individuals. This is the Drama Section, and you love to dig up dirt on other people. Lets hear what happened with you, Blackie.
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I have never heard the story or why you hate them so, who they are and why you blame the whole group for actions of individuals.
Blackie's made all that real clear before. For example:
http://save-grafton.blogspot.com/2004_05_01_archive.html
Basically, one really big shyster and asshole (Zack Bass) stared it, but plenty of other FSPers were all eager to "take over" this guy's hometown, and were talking openly about how nobody should stop a whorehouse from going up near the preschool.
If the Chinese attacked your country, wouldn't you become a terrist?
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I hadn't read that admonition before, and I wouldn't have believed it if Russell hadn't said it (I trust that he did, I didn't check the link.), but it still doesn't paint the picture that she did.
But it still paints the picture of Russell as an abusive piece of shit.
I guess that is what I have been trying to say, I am inclined to believe Russell's account still, not split the difference.
Yes, I know. It's not logical. There is nothing that can be said to convince you, because you like Russell.
The word "couple" bothers me because it means 2 but people use it to mean a few. Holding a woman down and picking a kid up are not the same as beating them.
Once is too much, and it's still abuse. It doesn't matter if he beat them. I don't blame her for wanting a restraining order or a divorce.
WOW! That is harsh. You call a man a piece of shit for some acts done years ago, that he fessed up to and that have been exaggerated by others.
Sometimes the truth is harsh. Men who abuse women and children are pieces of shit. I didn't say he is still a piece of shit. I said I think people can change, and that is a good thing. But that doesn't erase the past. In case you missed it, I said I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago. Do you think I would do that if I thought he was still a POS?
I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago to do some stuff at my house in Grafton, but the email to russellkanning@newhampshirefreepress.com bounced.
Let's talk about your deep seated resentments towards some people in the FSP and the FSP generally. I have never heard the story or why you hate them so, who they are and why you blame the whole group for actions of individuals. This is the Drama Section, and you love to dig up dirt on other people. Lets hear what happened with you, Blackie.
Nice try on changing the subject. When did I ever say I blame the whole group for anything?
But if you want to open that can of worms, I will respond later.
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I hadn't read that admonition before, and I wouldn't have believed it if Russell hadn't said it (I trust that he did, I didn't check the link.), but it still doesn't paint the picture that she did.
But it still paints the picture of Russell as an abusive piece of shit.
I guess that is what I have been trying to say, I am inclined to believe Russell's account still, not split the difference.
Yes, I know. It's not logical. There is nothing that can be said to convince you, because you like Russell.
The word "couple" bothers me because it means 2 but people use it to mean a few. Holding a woman down and picking a kid up are not the same as beating them.
Once is too much, and it's still abuse. It doesn't matter if he beat them. I don't blame her for wanting a restraining order or a divorce.
WOW! That is harsh. You call a man a piece of shit for some acts done years ago, that he fessed up to and that have been exaggerated by others.
Sometimes the truth is harsh. Men who abuse women and children are pieces of shit. I didn't say he is still a piece of shit. I said I think people can change, and that is a good thing. But that doesn't erase the past. In case you missed it, I said I tried to hire Russell a few weeks ago. Do you think I would do that if I thought he was still a POS?
I did note that, I found it incongruous. When I read your posting "But it still paints the picture of Russell as an abusive piece of shit." I read it as you meant it as a static state not a fluid one. I thought it sounded extreme. Thanks for the clarification.
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I have never heard the story or why you hate them so, who they are and why you blame the whole group for actions of individuals.
Blackie's made all that real clear before. For example:
http://save-grafton.blogspot.com/2004_05_01_archive.html
Basically, one really big shyster and asshole (Zack Bass) stared it, but plenty of other FSPers were all eager to "take over" this guy's hometown, and were talking openly about how nobody should stop a whorehouse from going up near the preschool.
If the Chinese attacked your country, wouldn't you become a terrist?
You have a problem with freedom?
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Nice try on changing the subject. When did I ever say I blame the whole group for anything?
But if you want to open that can of worms, I will respond later.
The subject is done. I appear to have been at least partially wrong. If Zack Bass was involved that is explanation enough, but I love a good story to tell it, if you wish. I do however think your hostility towards the FSP is kinda obvious. Certainly not every person in it, but the idea and those that support it get some flame now ans then.
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If Zack Bass was involved that is explanation enough, but I love a good story to tell it, if you wish.
I wouldn't blame Zack. At least he is honest.
http://save-grafton.blogspot.com/2004/06/george-washington-award-for-honesty.html
Tuesday, June 15, 2004
George Washington Award for Honesty
The George Washington Award for Honesty goes to Zack Bass. When the shit hits the fan, yall can't say Zack lied. I would like to thank Zack for his continued honesty. Others in the FTP/FSP would like to deceive people as they try to take over. Zack has said all along he would not stand for this. Now some in the FTP/FSP would like to distance themselves from Zack for damage control reasons. Who is next? They knew who Zack was, and what he was doing all along. They encouraged it. That was Zack's activism. Porcupines are activists. They can't put the blame on Zack. In the end Zack and FSP have the same goals, they just disagree on the path to get there. At least Zack is honest.
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I like how Zack Bass has been made into some kind of evil person by those that weren't around at the time that it happened and have only listened to 2nd or 3rd hand accounts. They should really blame Tim Condon for blabbing to everyone about it in his article on the FSP website. Oh, but no...it was the bad Larry Pendarvis' fault for suggesting that people wouldn't be locked up for mowing their lawn naked or selling crack if the Free Town Project was successful. God, those silly libertarian thoughts!
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I have no idea what any of this is about.
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I have no idea what any of this is about.
You're too new, you missed lots of early drama.
Don't worry, the Keeniacs are making new drama just as good as the old. They are breeding new terrists quicker than we can win the hearts and minds of otherwise neutral parties.
Grab yer bullhorns! Burn yer bras! Freedom now!
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I like how Zack Bass has been made into some kind of evil person by those that weren't around at the time that it happened and have only listened to 2nd or 3rd hand accounts. They should really blame Tim Condon for blabbing to everyone about it in his article on the FSP website. Oh, but no...it was the bad Larry Pendarvis' fault for suggesting that people wouldn't be locked up for mowing their lawn naked or selling crack if the Free Town Project was successful. God, those silly libertarian thoughts!
I wish you would just tell the real story instead of hinting about it all the time.
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You're too new, you missed lots of early drama.
Um... I was FSP member 153. I signed in 2002. Probably before you.
So no.
So, are ya gonna tell me or what?
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I'd just like to say that I have no problem with people mowing their lawns naked. Even if they're old, fat, and saggy.
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I'd also like to say that I have problems with price-gouging and cannibalism. Especially if you're charging me extra on something that came from someone who ate nothing but cheezburger and wasn't a vegetarian.
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thanks. I never knew you were so involved or heard it from that angle.
So uh.... it's no good to mow naked?
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I feel like I have learned so much today. Thanks Jay and Blackie!
You are still both trolls :P.
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Jay is the most gentlemanly person I know.
We've all done things we wish we wouldn't have, and there have always been dicks around that call us out for it. The goal should be to grow and improve through it.
Fuck the haters.
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I hadn't known anything about BJ being one of the early planners.. or that he wrote so well. Good stuff.
Oldsmar had a great flea market back when I lived in Pinellas Co.
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There was also a page about naming "bad" local NH government employees that Larry and other people had encountered (http://fnhp.com/thelist/). Blackie, isn't that what really led to your creation of the "Save Grafton" blog?
No, it was Robert Hull's purchase of the 237 acre lot.
Larry was always sort of "in your face" about libertarianism. He likes to bring the "statist" out of nerf-libertarians ("those who are afraid to let the voting public know what libertarianism is really all about") by coming up with extreme freedom scenarios. But, everyone seemed to be generally fine with this until the whole Grafton thing explodes with media coverage...because of Tim's article.
I totally fed Daniel Barrick a bunch of information...like 10 pages of Yahoo! Group/forum posts with the juicy parts in bold, and contact information for the people who were interviewed. People really began to take sides when Daniel started to do interviews. That was a few weeks before the article was published. The Concord Monitor was supposed to publish the article a week earlier, but Ronald Regan died, so it got bumped to the next Sundays newspaper. That was one week before the June 19th meeting.
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Libertarians set sights on Grafton (http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73176629339372&Avis=CM&Dato=20040613&Kategori=REPOSITORY&Lopenr=406130307&Ref=AR)
Land purchase and Internet chat are the talk of the town
The Free Town Project is an offshoot of the Free State Project. Members hope to make Grafton a laboratory to test their unconventional ideas.
By DANIEL BARRICK
Monitor staff
June 12, 2004 - 11:12 pm
GRAFTON - Strangers don't have much reason to come to this town of sweeping mountain views and sagging barns. The natives like it that way.
The old Ruggles Mine attracts some tourists each summer. A few Moonies moved in about 10 years ago, but they left after one brutal winter.
But a new challenge may soon break Grafton's isolation. The Free Town Project, a group of libertarians looking for a laboratory to test their ideas, is targeting Grafton. While none has moved in yet, the self-styled "liberators" are laying the groundwork for their vision.
One project member recently bought 400 acres here and is vague about his plans. Another promises to "overwhelm" town elections and rid Grafton of taxes and public education. Such opinions, while viewed by most residents with a mix of skepticism and amusement, are testing the town's independent, live-and-let-live attitude.
"In the '60s, it used to be, 'The Russians are coming!'" said Ken Cushing, owner of Wild Meadows Auto Body. "Now it's 'The libertarians are coming!'"
At the town offices, secretary Bonnie Haubrich said the Free Towners are the talk of nearly everyone who stops by. In e-mails and over coffee at the country store, Graftonites swap rumors about the would-be colonists. Community leaders have invited Free Town Project members to explain their mission at a special meeting this Saturday. Until then, tempers in this town of 1,200 continue to simmer.
"I think everybody's angry about this," said Frank Kimball, an 85-year-old lifelong Grafton resident. "If they get a foothold in here, then you're cooked."
One of the most outspoken Free Towners is Larry Pendarvis of Florida. The 61-year-old Internet consultant runs a mail-order bride service and said he was once a polygamist. He hopes to attract 300 other libertarians to Grafton. With that voting block, he'd dismantle the town planning board, do away with mandatory recycling and shoo away any busybodies.
"Our dream is to move libertarians and only libertarians to Grafton and get rid of the petty Hitlers who try to control things," Pendarvis said in an interview. He'd also do away with "victimless crime" laws, a list of which he recited in a monotone drawl: selling drugs, incest, prostitution and gambling.
Pendarvis said he'll elaborate on these plans at Saturday's meeting.
Live Free or Die
The Free Town Project began last year as a faction of the better-known Free State Project, a group of 6,000 libertarians who vow to move to New Hampshire and create a utopia of low taxes and little government regulation. They chose New Hampshire last October because of its citizen legislature and "Live Free or Die" tradition. Republican Gov. Craig Benson offered an early endorsement. "Come on up, we'd love to have you," he told the group last summer.
Half a dozen Free Staters decided last winter that they would have a bigger impact if they settled in a single town. The search for a hospitable environment took them all over New Hampshire. In February, they visited a dozen towns, including Dalton, Lempster, Grafton and Windsor.
Grafton's lack of zoning regulations and small population appealed immediately. The town's seclusion had bred a distinct strain of Yankee independence that the libertarians liked as well. And it was one of the few towns where the police chief was an elected position, promising a more populist handle on law and order.
Grafton also offered something no other place could: state Libertarian Party Chairman John Babiarz. The former gubernatorial candidate lives here, and although he's not a member of the movement, Babiarz volunteered to show the members around.
"They just want to energize politics in this town," Babiarz said.
The would-be settlers are already having an impact. Pendarvis, for one, is notorious for his tartly worded postings to the group's Yahoo message board and on his site, freetownproject.org. In a recent posting, Pendarvis (who also goes by the name Zach Bass) railed against "a--holes in Grafton who try to FORCE their neighbors to comply" with a ban on junkyards.
Such rhetoric has led the leaders of the Free State Project to distance themselves from the Free Towners. "They're not associated with us in any way," said Amanda Phillips, who heads the state group.
In Grafton, the town residents and the newcomers are both using the Internet to recruit support. Pendarvis posted a list of Grafton landowners and tax maps to his site, to help fellow libertarians in their house-hunting. A handful of residents created their own Web site, savegrafton.org, to track the libertarians' movements. Many Graftonites also regularly log on to the Free Town message board.
"Based on what they say, I think something bad is going to happen,"said Rebecca Richard, a founder of the "Save Grafton" site.
Pendarvis said he's not worried by such opposition. He's not about to change his style to woo his future neighbors.
"I presume they don't like libertarians," he said. "That's okay; I'll bring my own."
Good neighbors
Not all the Free Towners share Pendarvis's militancy. Tim Condon, a Florida lawyer, has more modest goals.
"We just want to move in and be good neighbors," Condon said. "We would seek to prevent people from misusing local government. I can't think of anything in particular that we would do to change the place."
Grafton's setting, in a wide valley between Mount Cardigan and Ragged Mountain, could lure any visitor, libertarian or not. The view of green hills stretches for miles. Old-timers gather twice a day on the porch of the general store for coffee and gossip. Dirt roads wind through forests thick with ferns and evergreens.
Grafton pays a price for such isolation. There are few jobs in town, and shopping trips require a 45-minute drive to Lebanon or Concord. An abandoned gas station sits in the center of town, the sign above the pump frozen at $1.29 per gallon. More than 20 percent of the town's housing units are mobile homes or RVs. Many residents work at home, running auto repair shops in their back yards or selling trinkets on eBay.
Bob Hull, another Free Towner from New Jersey, found something to love in Grafton. He recently bought 240 swampy acres on the east side of town and hopes to move in soon. He said he might sell some land to other Free Towners or develop it himself. Hull said he'll understand if his neighbors don't welcome him immediately.
"I guess a certain amount of xenophobia should be expected,"Hull said.
Many Grafton residents said they hope to have a better idea of the project's intentions after this week's meeting. In the meantime, speculation reigns.
Frank Neufell, a Grafton selectman, said many people he's talked to worry that rapid development could cause their property taxes to skyrocket.
The head of Grafton's Democratic Party, Neil Kenny, wonders how the peculiar calculus of small-town politics would play out with the newcomers. It wouldn't take a huge influx of libertarians to take over Grafton's government, Kenny predicted.
"If they move in 150 registered voters," he said, "they'll control the town."
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So, the uproar gets to the point that someone organizes a town meeting in Grafton. The FSP president Amanda Phillips, Mike Lorrey, and Tim Condon decided on their own that they were going to represent "us". Right before the meeting, someone interviewed...I think the president...of the FSP and they said that Larry had been removed as a participant. He subsequently gets banned from the FSP forum. So we decide not to show up.
Robert Hull's land purchase is what sparked the meeting. I think it was at the meeting that Amanda first said Larry was kicked out. There were a lot of reporters there. Also, Larry wasn't banned from the FSP forum until the day after the meeting, or at least that is when his username disappeared from the stats as having the #1 post count. Larry was sent this email a few days before the meeting.
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Subject: DO NOT COME TO NH - EVER
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:45:13 -0400
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Mr. Xxxxx Xxxxxxxxx,
THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. WITH "FRIENDS" LIKE YOU, WE DON'T NEED ANY ENEMIES.
YOU HAVE POISONED THE WELL IN GRAFTON. THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR "HELP."
THE PEOPLE OF GRAFTON ARE ARMED, DANGEROUS, AND EXTREMELY PISSED AT YOU. EXCEPT FOR THIS MESSAGE, WE WILL CERTAINLY NOT PROTECT YOU.
IN FACT, WE WILL HELP THEM HANG YOU OUT TO DRY IN ANY LEGAL WAY POSSIBLE.
YOU ARE HEREBY WARNED. DO NOT COME TO NEW HAMPSHIRE EVER AGAIN.
THERE IS NO WARM, FUZZY FREEDOM COMMUNITY HERE FOR YOU. FOR YOU THERE IS ONLY AN EXTREMELY HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT OF YOUR OWN MAKING. STAY IN FLORIDA.
For Responsible Liberty,
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John Barnes, J. D.
Vice Chair, 2d District, L P N H
Chair, Welcome to the Granite State Committee
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Voice or Fax:
Inside USA: 1-888-221-8628 (Toll-free)
Outside USA: 1-312-893-0715 (Not toll-free)
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E-mail: jbarnes@lpnh.org
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I just got a lot more respect for you BJ, knowing your life story (a bit of it).
Edit: the post immediately above mine is way TL:DR for now...
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Man, that is one hell of a lot of drama.
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I'm pretty sure I've been saying the locals don't appreciate the influx, even if they more or less agree with the concepts. As evidenced by Mr Barnes strongly worded letter.
Grafton, both town and county, is a terrible choice. The county is the location of Dartmouth College, and has a very high percapita income. Grafton County is an enclave of wealth and stature. Regardless of the fact it may appear rural and hokey, there are literally billions of dollars of private wealth in residence of that county. It has a population of 80,000 and a county jail that has a capacity of 110 inmates. Your shit will not be tolerated there.
What surprises me the most is a fucking lawyer didn't pick up on that.
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I feel like I have learned so much today. Thanks Jay and Blackie!
You are still both trolls :P.
I used to think so too, but now I know better. Blackie is not a troll.
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the locals don't appreciate the influx
This is the point I've been trying to make for so very long.
The locals generally disapprove strongly of the "freak-staters" -- the in your face anarchists who want to shock people. :roll:
The locals generally very much like the people who have moved here and become a part of the community. You don't get elected to the School Board, Selectman, or State Rep without a lot of people really liking what you have to say and the way you say it.
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I'm pretty sure I've been saying the locals don't appreciate the influx, even if they more or less agree with the concepts. As evidenced by Mr Barnes strongly worded letter.
Mr. Barnes wasn't wasn't local to Grafton. He was one of the people promoting the Free Town Project.
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I feel like I have learned so much today. Thanks Jay and Blackie!
You are still both trolls :P.
I used to think so too, but now I know better. Blackie is not a troll.
I was joking. That is why there is a smiley after it.
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I'm pretty sure I've been saying the locals don't appreciate the influx, even if they more or less agree with the concepts. As evidenced by Mr Barnes strongly worded letter.
Mr. Barnes wasn't wasn't local to Grafton. He was one of the people promoting the Free Town Project.
He was? News to me.
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I feel like I have learned so much today. Thanks Jay and Blackie!
You are still both trolls :P.
I used to think so too, but now I know better. Blackie is not a troll.
I was joking. That is why there is a smiley after it.
I feel like I have learned so much today. Thanks Jay and Blackie!
You are still both trolls :P.
I used to think so too, but now I know better. Blackie is not a troll.
I was joking. That is why there is a smiley after it.
Apparently I am still a troll, though.
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I'm pretty sure I've been saying the locals don't appreciate the influx, even if they more or less agree with the concepts. As evidenced by Mr Barnes strongly worded letter.
Mr. Barnes wasn't wasn't local to Grafton. He was one of the people promoting the Free Town Project.
He was? News to me.
Yup. Not in your FTP group, but part of the Mike Lorrey/John Babiarz thing, maybe FTLD. According to Mike Lorrey he had plans to move to Grafton at one point.
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I'm pretty sure I've been saying the locals don't appreciate the influx, even if they more or less agree with the concepts. As evidenced by Mr Barnes strongly worded letter.
Mr. Barnes wasn't wasn't local to Grafton. He was one of the people promoting the Free Town Project.
It would appear he became a part of the community and his vision of a so-called "free town" changed radically.
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There was also a page about naming "bad" local NH government employees that Larry and other people had encountered (http://fnhp.com/thelist/). Blackie, isn't that what really led to your creation of the "Save Grafton" blog?
No, it was Robert Hull's purchase of the 237 acre lot.
What ever came of that?
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I feel like I have learned so much today. Thanks Jay and Blackie!
You are still both trolls :P.
I used to think so too, but now I know better. Blackie is not a troll.
I was joking. That is why there is a smiley after it.
I feel like I have learned so much today. Thanks Jay and Blackie!
You are still both trolls :P.
I used to think so too, but now I know better. Blackie is not a troll.
I was joking. That is why there is a smiley after it.
Apparently I am still a troll, though.
Blackie is a troll too, he's just a good troll.
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I feel like I have learned so much today. Thanks Jay and Blackie!
You are still both trolls :P.
I used to think so too, but now I know better. Blackie is not a troll.
I was joking. That is why there is a smiley after it.
I feel like I have learned so much today. Thanks Jay and Blackie!
You are still both trolls :P.
I used to think so too, but now I know better. Blackie is not a troll.
I was joking. That is why there is a smiley after it.
Apparently I am still a troll, though.
Blackie is a troll too, he's just a good troll.
FU.
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Didn't Amanda Phillips go to law school somewhere?
Harvard.
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I never got the impression she ever had any.
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This is the Drama Section, and you love to dig up dirt on other people. Lets hear what happened with you, Blackie.
Haha. Here you go:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=33374.0
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It sounds like Russell got a government ID, so he could work a normal job....the kind where you pay taxes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWzkATzwj-c
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I never got the impression she ever had any.
We had dinner with her, once in NH and once in FL. I got the feeling she was gathering information. Which is not surprising for a "former" military intelligence officer.
The FTP was brought up at those dinners, BTW. No objection noted from the bitch either time.
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I never got the impression she ever had any.
We had dinner with her, once in NH and once in FL. I got the feeling she was gathering information. Which is not surprising for a "former" military intelligence officer.
The FTP was brought up at those dinners, BTW. No objection noted from the bitch either time.
When does she graduate?
Her blog hasn't been updated in awhile, but It sounds like she took the bar exams over a year ago:
http://amanda42.livejournal.com/
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I guess she got a job. Not in NH, though:
http://www.ropesgray.com/amandaphillips/
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Awesome. Think she'll be at porcfest? :lol:
Look out for The Chin.
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Behold, this is how you lose hearts and minds. And yes, poison the well for others who are not acting like jackasses.
I'm not a free-stater anymore, that name has been trashed by antics like this. Ironic that many of these people don't call themselves "Libertarian" anymore, isn't it?
http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2010/04/28/news/local/free/id_399035.txt
Free State protest ties up police
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By PHILLIP BANTZ
Sentinel Staff
Published: Wednesday, April 28, 2010
When a car collided with a college student walking in downtown Keene on Sunday evening, a Marlborough police detective had to investigate the incident while N.H. State Police troopers interviewed the victim.
On most evenings, Keene police officers would have handled the accident, which resulted in minor injuries. But they were busy processing a dozen people who were accused of trespassing at the new Cheshire County jail in Keene.
The arrestees – all were charged with trespassing and one was charged additionally with possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia – have ties to the Free State Project and one of its offshoot groups, Free Keene.
The Free State Project is an effort to persuade 20,000 people to move to New Hampshire and participate in activism or run for political office. Project members are particularly active in Keene.
The Free Keene website states that the “Trespassive Twelve” circled the jail building several times, attracting the attention of some inmates, and police. “No Trespassing” signs are posted on the property.
Ian “Freeman” Bernard, 29, a Keene resident who was among the protesters, said in a phone interview Tuesday that the group was rallying for N.H. Free Press publisher Russell Kanning. Kanning is jailed for nonpayment of child support.
Bernard added that he and the other protesters also wanted to “raise the spirits of other men and women in prison there.”
The gathering drew a rather large police response: the Keene Police Department sent an entire shift, four officers and a supervisor, to the jail. Marlborough police sent Detective Steven E. LaMears. Swanzey police sent an officer. The N.H. State Police sent two troopers. Finally, three corrections officers from the jail joined the group.
Additional state troopers were called to cover the city of Keene while city officers dealt with the protesters, who were eventually arrested, processed at the Keene Police Department and ordered to appear in court at a later date.
The protest consumed significant police resources, creating a ripple effect in some area towns with limited resources, LaMears said.
“These smaller towns require state police coverage, so who’s going to cover them?” he said.
While Keene police officers were processing the 12 arrestees at the police department, a 19-year-old college student, Brittney Frank, was crossing Main Street in Keene when a car hit her, LaMears said.
Because city police had their hands full booking the protesters, LaMears was called back to Keene to investigate the collision while state police troopers interviewed Frank at Cheshire Medical Center/Dartmouth-Hitchcock Keene, where she was treated for a leg injury.
The driver of the vehicle that hit Frank, Almut Yakovleff, 56, of Alstead, told LaMears she was headed north on Main Street in her 1997 Honda Civic when the college student stepped in front of her car and entered a crosswalk, LaMears said.
It was nighttime, Frank was wearing dark clothing and Yakovleff said she didn’t see her until it was too late to stop the car, according to LaMears.
He has closed the crash investigation and will not be filing any charges or traffic citations against Yakovleff.
After he was done investigating the collision in Keene, LaMears tried to catch up on a logjam of other calls that were delayed while he was dealing with the situation at the jail, he said.
But before LaMears could make a dent in the backlog, he was sent to another call that ended in a drunken driving arrest that dragged on for six hours. The driver fell when she stepped out of her car and punctured her chin on a rock, LaMears said. He had to wait in the hospital until the woman was treated for her injuries and released.
LaMears said he spent most of his next shift chipping away at all the calls and cases he wasn’t able to address Sunday.
“It’s just a time delay,” he said. “You keep getting a backlog. This time it took a day to get out of that backlog.”
The ripple effect on police resources was an unintended consequence of the protest, Bernard said. And besides, the protesters should have been left alone, he said.
“There was no one being put in danger. There was no victim,” he said. “Even if the cops had to respond, they certainly didn’t have to send the entire squad out.”
The protesters who were arrested will likely request trials in a bid to clog the already-strained court system, Bernard said.
“I don’t expect anyone to take a plea,” he said.
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Comments form the article. Of course, congnitive dissonance being what it is, the freak-staters will rationalize away these peoples' opinions.
Note that this is not cherry picking; all these comments were in one contiguous block
Zap wrote on Apr 28, 2010 1:28 PM:
" These "freebies" want their freedom but they sure don't want their responsibilities!
"the group was rallying for N.H. Free Press publisher Russell Kanning. Kanning is jailed for nonpayment of child support." "
Perry wrote on Apr 28, 2010 1:32 PM:
" Really? Did anyone read the REASON for the protest. To free a man who hadn't been paying child support. Talk about poor judgment. Why would anyone waste their time on someone who doesn't do all he can to care for his children? Disgusting. "
K wrote on Apr 28, 2010 1:55 PM:
" My concern is that the Free staters we there protesting the arrest of a Dead Beat Dad.. The man was in jail for not paying child support he deserves to be there till he decides to take responsiblity . Also tech. the Jail is NOT a public place.. If there are NO tresspassing signs and you are there then you are breaking the law . The only reason to be there is to visit someone there , or if you are employed there or if this is your temp residence otherwise there is no need to be loittering . Which is also breaking the law... These "free staters" are causing more problems then they are helping ... Go back from where you came... "
Dan wrote on Apr 28, 2010 2:14 PM:
" Why didn't they just take them all and put them behind bars at the jail. They knew they were trespassing as the signs are obvious. This is just a sorry bunch of individuals who have nothing better to do with their lives than cause trouble. We don't want your so called free state here so get out. "
GoAway FreeStaters wrote on Apr 28, 2010 2:30 PM:
" They should be called free loaders, milking the system and costing tax payers thousands. Rallying for someone jailed for refusing to pay child support?! You all need to get jobs and get lives. "
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LOL, so you're rationalizing the arrest the "trespassers" because people should be pissed at us? LOL, Denis, you'll use any statist abuse of fellow anarchists as an excuse to further your argument that politics is the only way to the Free State. I can't believe you're also using The Press' usual lack of attention to detail.
Quit whining and start blaming the government and reporter thugs that are hurting us. Fucker.
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Wow thanks for being a free-stater while you could Denis. You have always been SO supportive of other free-staters and what they are doing.
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So these people were arrested for no reason. The signs said you have to leave the private property if you are asked. Maybe some one was asked, but I wasn't asked. I left anyway because when I see 12 cops walking my way I tend to walk away.
Denis is correct about this being bad RP. What is even worse, Dale seemed surprised that this was bad PR.
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Notice how the paper claims the departments are stretched too thinly, and have "limited resources," which caused their idiocy of harassing the demonstrators to have a real impact on their ability to do "real" work, when expected. This sounds vaguely familiar to an issue that people claimed wasn't an issue--that the bureaucrats will claim they need more staffing, because of the Free State Project.
Count on it to be a real (as in political, not practical) issue.
Addendum:
The "protesters" also should have thought about how "nonpayment of child support" was going to look before they copped to protesting over Russell Canning's incarceration.
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Very bad planning by the police there. They sent the whole, or the majority, of the cops to process trespassers?
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In sum: the event where they were arrested for trespassing was easily seen as misguided in its purpose, and overall seemed to be a failure at achieving good press.
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Very bad planning by the police there. They sent the whole, or the majority, of the cops to process trespassers?
Maybe Keene doesn't have a very large police department to begin with...
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Notice how the paper claims the departments are stretched too thinly, and have "limited resources," which caused their idiocy of harassing the demonstrators to have a real impact on their ability to do "real" work, when expected. This sounds vaguely familiar to an issue that people claimed wasn't an issue--that the bureaucrats will claim they need more staffing, because of the Free State Project.
Count on it to be a real (as in political, not practical) issue.
Addendum:
The "protesters" also should have thought about how "nonpayment of child support" was going to look before they copped to protesting over Russell Canning's incarceration.
Actually, the police departments have greatly expanded in NH over the last 5 or so years. It is pretty amazing. NH used to have near the least amount of cops per capita and now it is still in the lower half, but no where near the least.
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Notice how the paper claims the departments are stretched too thinly, and have "limited resources," which caused their idiocy of harassing the demonstrators to have a real impact on their ability to do "real" work, when expected. This sounds vaguely familiar to an issue that people claimed wasn't an issue--that the bureaucrats will claim they need more staffing, because of the Free State Project.
Count on it to be a real (as in political, not practical) issue.
Addendum:
The "protesters" also should have thought about how "nonpayment of child support" was going to look before they copped to protesting over Russell Canning's incarceration.
Actually, the police departments have greatly expanded in NH over the last 5 or so years. It is pretty amazing. NH used to have near the least amount of cops per capita and now it is still in the lower half, but no where near the least.
So what you're saying is that places where a bunch of freestaters congregate are places where the government grows?
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Very bad planning by the police there. They sent the whole, or the majority, of the cops to process trespassers?
Maybe Keene doesn't have a very large police department to begin with...
43 welfare queens.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=2349.msg32886#msg32886
Yeah I don't consider policemen to be "welfare queens." They're actually contributing to the society they live in.
How is a bunch of idiots protesting the incarceration of a deadbeat dad contributing anything to society?
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I'm not even gonna fuckin say anything.
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I'm not even gonna fuckin say anything.
Aww.
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In sum: the event where they were arrested for trespassing was easily seen as misguided in its purpose, and overall seemed to be a failure at achieving good press.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner!!
You can see the police are being Bad Guys and playing bullshit games, and still appreciate that this was a butt-stupid lay-up giving them an easy PR basket.
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So what you're saying is that places where a bunch of freestaters congregate are places where the government grows?
No... but places where freak-staters congregate, they give the Statists all the ammo they need to grow the government way faster than they've been able to until now.
In places where calm, respectable free-staters congregate, are well-known and well-liked by the respectable, non-bra-burning natives, and get themselves elected, you can bet your ass the budgets are held down, the police are not rapidly growing in size, and they aren't getting new cop toys to play with.
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So what you're saying is that places where a bunch of freestaters congregate are places where the government grows?
No... but places where freak-staters congregate, they give the Statists all the ammo they need to grow the government way faster than they've been able to until now.
In places where calm, respectable free-staters congregate, are well-known and well-liked by the respectable, non-bra-burning natives, and get themselves elected, you can bet your ass the budgets are held down, the police are not rapidly growing in size, and they aren't getting new cop toys to play with.
I see.
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In sum: the event where they were arrested for trespassing was easily seen as misguided in its purpose, and overall seemed to be a failure at achieving good press.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner!!
You can see the police are being Bad Guys and playing bullshit games, and still appreciate that this was a butt-stupid lay-up giving them an easy PR basket.
BUT if they learned from the event & plan ahead next time, then it was worth it for the learning experience.
That is something the FSP activists are finding out that they sorely need right now. PLANNING.
Hundreds of protesters have marched on Washington in the past, but it was the people with PLANS and GOALS who achieved success. Otherwise you end up like these idiot protesters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONd-Yk48R8E
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my #1 reason. I respect your decision, but I personally don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.
Seth Cohn (freestater) tried to get me locked up.
???
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my #1 reason. I respect your decision, but I personally don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.
Seth Cohn (freestater) tried to get me locked up.
???
I've never heard of him before.
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I'm moving there for liberty-minded friends. That's my #1 reason. I respect your decision, but I personally don't want to spend the rest of my life being frustrated trying to get to know people who ARENT trying to get me locked up.
Seth Cohn (freestater) tried to get me locked up.
???
I had a sethcohn.com fansite, and he didn't like it.
(http://www2.eugeneweekly.com/2002/02_21_02/graphics/pow2_21.jpg)
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=2788.0
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Read the first little bit of that. So what I'm guessing is you made a reputation page/online resume type thing of him (aka fan page)? And he got pissed and tried to get it shut down?
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Read the first little bit of that. So what I'm guessing is you made a reputation page/online resume type thing of him (aka fan page)? And he got pissed and tried to get it shut down?
That, and he also tried to get the cops to come after me for harassment or something, the day after I sent him all my contact info via email. IIRC, the cops told him they couldn't do anything.
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Read the first little bit of that. So what I'm guessing is you made a reputation page/online resume type thing of him (aka fan page)? And he got pissed and tried to get it shut down?
That, and he also tried to get the cops to come after me for harassment or something, the day after I sent him all my contact info via email. IIRC, the cops told him they couldn't do anything.
hahaha.
epic troll.
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That is something the FSP activists are finding out that they sorely need right now. PLANNING.
The freak-staters have resisted all efforts at planning for several years now.
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Read the first little bit of that. So what I'm guessing is you made a reputation page/online resume type thing of him (aka fan page)? And he got pissed and tried to get it shut down?
That, and he also tried to get the cops to come after me for harassment or something, the day after I sent him all my contact info via email. IIRC, the cops told him they couldn't do anything.
hahaha.
epic troll.
Is blackie a troll, sure. But epic? idk
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Read the first little bit of that. So what I'm guessing is you made a reputation page/online resume type thing of him (aka fan page)? And he got pissed and tried to get it shut down?
That, and he also tried to get the cops to come after me for harassment or something, the day after I sent him all my contact info via email. IIRC, the cops told him they couldn't do anything.
hahaha.
epic troll.
Is blackie a troll, sure. But epic? idk
apparently seth cohn is a lolcow, so it counts.
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It seems like Sam put himself in a position where his camera was likely to be damaged. Being within the arc of the opening door isn't a smart thing to do if you are not in the process of opening/using the door.
I like how they start begging for the dude to be arrested.
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I thought Ian was against violent resistance?
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It wouldn't break my heart if someone personally punished the asshole, since the government won't.
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winning hearts and minds.
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Snore.
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5 RSA's broken, right? So... ya gonna press charges?
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(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/kitkarma/anisnoopydancing.gif)
http://freekeene.com/2010/05/07/russell-kanning-out-of-jail/
Russell Kanning Out of Jail
Filed under: Update — Ian at 7:04 pm on Friday, May 7, 2010
UPDATE: According to Porc411, Russell Kanning’s captors dropped his ransom to $3,000 and he took a private loan to get out of the cage he’s been held in. Now maybe he can actually resume making payments to his ex-wife, which he was unable to do while held in a cell.
The captors have alleged the money will be sent to his ex-wife.
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In b4 Denis.
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It seems like Sam put himself in a position where his camera was likely to be damaged. Being within the arc of the opening door isn't a smart thing to do if you are not in the process of opening/using the door.
I like how they start begging for the dude to be arrested.
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Lets just say, that after taking Louie Anderson's and Kyle Cease's Standup Comedy Bootcamp, (google it) you just gave me material with this video to help teach the masses is a funny way....
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(google it)
Startpage it, at Startpage.com. We have sponsors around here pal.
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(google it)
Startpage it, at Startpage.com. We have sponsors around here pal.
"google it" is in the dictionary. "startpage" doesnt work that way.
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(google it)
Startpage it, at Startpage.com. We have sponsors around here pal.
"google it" is in the dictionary. "startpage" doesnt work that way.
You've gotta start somewhere.
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(google it)
Startpage it, at Startpage.com. We have sponsors around here pal.
guess I should listen to the show... it's been a while.
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I've definitely got to side with the topless people on this one. It's not a crime to be topless, nor should it be one. Maybe Mrs. Foster should go live in Saudi Arabia or some country where women have to cover up their entire bodies.
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Proof of the nudist adage:
If you walk down the street naked, brandishing a machete, and randomly shooting out picture windows as you walk along, the 911 call will be for "naked man in street".
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Part of this is about rights... part of it is about effectiveness.
Did these people think long & hard about how to most effectively get their message across?
Did they think about winning hearts and minds... or about shock value?
They know they're morally correct, so damn those who don't agree 100%?
How many comments were from people who say they agree, but were repelled by the poor choice of place and time?
I'm 100% for toplessness, especially in women, especially in women with breasts.
I'm 100% against belligerence and stupidity. Those trump even boobies. Sorry.
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In history... people who made laws "for the children" have caused more destructruction and left more dead bodies in their wake then all the naked breast ever shown anywhere in history.
I hate that particular paving stone on the path to hell.
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I don't understand the point of the titty protests at all.
I'm not badmouthing it or anything, I just honestly have no idea what possible purpose it serves.
Proving that a legal thing is legal?
Trying to get a legal thing to be made illegal?
Seems like shock for shock's sake to me. (From the perspective of soccer moms I guess)
Is there a website explaining the point of the titty thing? (Don't bother telling me if the sole purpose is "Piss off the squares.")
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Also, in Michigan, you're allowed to have sex in a vehicle, any time, day or night, so long as it is on your own property.
You don't see that very often, though. And yes, as I understand it that includes the back of a pickup truck.
Therefore NH is invalid.
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I don't understand the point of the titty protests at all.
I'm not badmouthing it or anything, I just honestly have no idea what possible purpose it serves.
Proving that a legal thing is legal?
Trying to get a legal thing to be made illegal?
Seems like shock for shock's sake to me. (From the perspective of soccer moms I guess)
Is there a website explaining the point of the titty thing? (Don't bother telling me if the sole purpose is "Piss off the squares.")
The brilliant Libertarian Philosopher Doug Stanhope explained it the best I have heard. It is basically the other end of the perspective from extremist in the middle east who believe the entire body of a woman is offensive. Basically the more freedom woman have to show them, the less woman are objectified about it.
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The brilliant Libertarian Philosopher Doug Stanhope explained it the best I have heard. It is basically the other end of the perspective from extremist in the middle east who believe the entire body of a woman is offensive. Basically the more freedom woman have to show them, the less woman are objectified about it.
Is that the actual point of this thing, though?
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http://freekeene.com/2010/05/05/420-activists-kick-off-topless-tuesdays/#comment-87483
May 5, 2010 @ 12:45 pm
Bad PR (not to mention just plain trashy) would be the idiot girl that ran in front of my car to join these people and announced loud enough for me to hear very clearly in traffic that she just flashed a school bus! She was running from the direction of the MIDDLE SCHOOL
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Proving that a legal thing is legal?
Trying to get a legal thing to be made illegal?
Why do anything liberty oriented at all then? It's just going to piss off the statists to make more laws.
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Proving that a legal thing is legal?
Trying to get a legal thing to be made illegal?
Why do anything liberty oriented at all then? It's just going to piss off the statists to make more laws.
Naw naw, look, I'm just asking what the idea behind the protest is here. There doesn't seem to be a clear point to me. I have nothing against titties or people showing their titties or whatever. More power to them. I just thought that there was some sort of message that they were trying to get across.
Titty demonstrators are awesome, because they show their titties, right? This is not an issue for me. I'm just asking what they are trying to do here, in this particular case.
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LOA confrontation
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LOA confrontation
Oh, so Sam wanted to see titties and got the titty squad together?
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The brilliant Libertarian Philosopher Doug Stanhope explained it the best I have heard. It is basically the other end of the perspective from extremist in the middle east who believe the entire body of a woman is offensive. Basically the more freedom woman have to show them, the less woman are objectified about it.
Is that the actual point of this thing, though?
I am sure it is just to bring attention to the 420 thing again.
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The brilliant Libertarian Philosopher Doug Stanhope explained it the best I have heard. It is basically the other end of the perspective from extremist in the middle east who believe the entire body of a woman is offensive. Basically the more freedom woman have to show them, the less woman are objectified about it.
Is that the actual point of this thing, though?
I am sure it is just to bring attention to the 420 thing again.
I see. Funny how I didn't know it was about weed, and only knew about the titties, though.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the message came across.
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I don't understand the point of the titty protests at all.
I'm not badmouthing it or anything, I just honestly have no idea what possible purpose it serves.
Proving that a legal thing is legal?
Trying to get a legal thing to be made illegal?
Seems like shock for shock's sake to me. (From the perspective of soccer moms I guess)
Is there a website explaining the point of the titty thing? (Don't bother telling me if the sole purpose is "Piss off the squares.")
My guess is that they do it for the same reason other folks open carry. If you don't use your freedom, you'll lose it. That kind of thing.
Just my opinion, but I'd prefer not to see either guns or superfluous skin exposed in public.
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If peeps see your gun, then they know you have a gun. Tactical disadvantage if you ask me.
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My guess is that they do it for the same reason other folks open carry. If you don't use your freedom, you'll lose it. That kind of thing.
Just my opinion, but I'd prefer not to see either guns or superfluous skin exposed in public.
Look away?
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My guess is that they do it for the same reason other folks open carry. If you don't use your freedom, you'll lose it. That kind of thing.
Just my opinion, but I'd prefer not to see either guns or superfluous skin exposed in public.
Look away?
I'm not saying I'd do anything about it, even if it were my property. Kind of like I prefer redheads to blondes, but I wouldn't kick Lexi Belle out of my bed.
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I don't understand the point of the titty protests at all.
I'm not badmouthing it or anything, I just honestly have no idea what possible purpose it serves.
Proving that a legal thing is legal?
Trying to get a legal thing to be made illegal?
Seems like shock for shock's sake to me. (From the perspective of soccer moms I guess)
Is there a website explaining the point of the titty thing? (Don't bother telling me if the sole purpose is "Piss off the squares.")
My guess is that they do it for the same reason other folks open carry. If you don't use your freedom, you'll lose it. That kind of thing.
Just my opinion, but I'd prefer not to see either guns or superfluous skin exposed in public.
So, would you prefer unrestricted concealed carry, and then prefer people carrying concealed? There might be something to that; not a law requiring concealment, just polite requests from people who'd rather not see it. Still, I think some people, like jewelers and armored car personnel, might choose a visible sidearm.
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care --> car
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My guess is that they do it for the same reason other folks open carry. If you don't use your freedom, you'll lose it. That kind of thing.
Agreed. Open carry and public topfreedom are equivalent; there's no real point other than to increase the enjoyment of rarely-exercised liberty. I welcome challenges to either point.
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The youtube of the Philosopher Doug Stanhope explaining why free titties are so important http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmclVOSSXb4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmclVOSSXb4)
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Proving that a legal thing is legal?
Trying to get a legal thing to be made illegal?
Why do anything liberty oriented at all then? It's just going to piss off the statists to make more laws.
But they're not even protesting a law because there isn't one. If they just wanted to legally walk around w/o a shirt why advertise it on the internet and call it a protest? I wouldn't be surprised if the organizer was a fed. Making enemies and pissing people off seems to be the only point of this one.
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The brilliant Libertarian Philosopher Doug Stanhope explained it the best I have heard. It is basically the other end of the perspective from extremist in the middle east who believe the entire body of a woman is offensive. Basically the more freedom woman have to show them, the less woman are objectified about it.
Is that the actual point of this thing, though?
I am sure it is just to bring attention to the 420 thing again.
I see. Funny how I didn't know it was about weed, and only knew about the titties, though.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the message came across.
Sex sells. Desensitisation to harmless behaviour is good. People will come to see lovely lovely breasts and maybe learn something.
As an aside, people need to be less uptight about the human body. I have been in stress situations with prudes who refused to help people because of their discomfort with the human body, it is frustrating.
I am a jaded person but, I have never refused to help a person in need because of fear or disgust.
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Proving that a legal thing is legal?
Trying to get a legal thing to be made illegal?
Why do anything liberty oriented at all then? It's just going to piss off the statists to make more laws.
But they're not even protesting a law because there isn't one. If they just wanted to legally walk around w/o a shirt why advertise it on the internet and call it a protest? I wouldn't be surprised if the organizer was a fed. Making enemies and pissing people off seems to be the only point of this one.
They aren't calling it a protest, it's a celebration.
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As an aside, people need to be less uptight about the human body.
What if they don't want to be?
I'm not trying to be snarky here.
Look, people like what they like and don't like what they don't like. Letting them do that as long as they aren't fucking with other people is kinda the whole point of the liberty message.
Some people don't like naked time. Some people only like naked time at home.
For instance, at one of the low points in my life, financially, I ended up working at a men's club. (Titty bar) The money was under the table (All tips) and VERY good. I was a toilet boy. One of the dudes who sits in the bathroom and sells candy, cigs, hygiene shit, that sort of thing. I made an average of 400 bucks a day, and around 800-1000 bucks on Friday nights. This is a six hour shift.
That was the only reason I worked there. The money. That's why I mention it. I never even noticed a naked girl after the first two days there. Once you listen to one of those women for more than five minutes, you tune them out. Yes yes, I know, there are cool ones with their heads on straight, but not at these places.
Anyway, I worked there for three months. Hated every minute of it. One of the dozens of reasons why I hated it was that I have no interest in seeing naked people unless they are having sex with me. That automatically cuts out half of the contenders on the planet because I'm straight, and a huge chunk of the rest (Say, 99%) because I was there when they opened their fucking mouths and removed all doubt. (Porn does not apply to this, as it is usually made in private and you kinda need to seek it out if you want to see it.)
It doesn't offend me, it doesn't make me squeamish, I'm just not as interested in you (The naked person) as you are, and I think clothes were a fantastic invention.
I mean, you know that hot brunette at the gas station you always ogle? She probably has hairy nipples or something. She may be the coolest chick in the world, and your soul mate, but if the first thing you ever noticed about the broad is that she's got two inch pubes hanging off her areolas, you may never give her the chance.
All of that said, I don't give a shit if some chick wants to walk down the street with her tits out saying "See? It doesn't matter if my tits are out. See? See? LOOK AT MY TITS. They're out. See how it doesn't matter?"
If you wanna piss of the squares, go ahead I guess.
This reminds me of all the libertarians who fucking rant about how no one should ever get married.
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I like clothes too. They keep us warm, and they help us avoid accidentally cutting our dicks off with the weed eater or hedge trimmer when we're working on the yard. Plus, frankly, I'd rather not see ugly naked people. I have no problem with pretty naked people, but unfortunately, I'm thinking there will be those inevitable ugly naked people who don't know they're ugly, sorta like fat bitches wearing tops that don't go all the way down to their pants.
Not that I'd want laws for that or anything....
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All of that said, I don't give a shit if some chick wants to walk down the street with her tits out saying "See? It doesn't matter if my tits are out. See? See? LOOK AT MY TITS. They're out. See how it doesn't matter?"
You were totally channeling Richard III there.
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All of that said, I don't give a shit if some chick wants to walk down the street with her tits out saying "See? It doesn't matter if my tits are out. See? See? LOOK AT MY TITS. They're out. See how it doesn't matter?"
You were totally channeling Richard III there.
I only mentioned the pube nipples because I couldn't think of a minor but weird imperfection quickly enough. "Nipple pubes" just popped in.
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As an aside, people need to be less uptight about the human body.
What if they don't want to be?
I'm not trying to be snarky here.
Look, people like what they like and don't like what they don't like. Letting them do that as long as they aren't fucking with other people is kinda the whole point of the liberty message.
Some people don't like naked time. Some people only like naked time at home.
For instance, at one of the low points in my life, financially, I ended up working at a men's club. (Titty bar) The money was under the table (All tips) and VERY good. I was a toilet boy. One of the dudes who sits in the bathroom and sells candy, cigs, hygiene shit, that sort of thing. I made an average of 400 bucks a day, and around 800-1000 bucks on Friday nights. This is a six hour shift.
That was the only reason I worked there. The money. That's why I mention it. I never even noticed a naked girl after the first two days there. Once you listen to one of those women for more than five minutes, you tune them out. Yes yes, I know, there are cool ones with their heads on straight, but not at these places.
Anyway, I worked there for three months. Hated every minute of it. One of the dozens of reasons why I hated it was that I have no interest in seeing naked people unless they are having sex with me. That automatically cuts out half of the contenders on the planet because I'm straight, and a huge chunk of the rest (Say, 99%) because I was there when they opened their fucking mouths and removed all doubt. (Porn does not apply to this, as it is usually made in private and you kinda need to seek it out if you want to see it.)
It doesn't offend me, it doesn't make me squeamish, I'm just not as interested in you (The naked person) as you are, and I think clothes were a fantastic invention.
I mean, you know that hot brunette at the gas station you always ogle? She probably has hairy nipples or something. She may be the coolest chick in the world, and your soul mate, but if the first thing you ever noticed about the broad is that she's got two inch pubes hanging off her areolas, you may never give her the chance.
All of that said, I don't give a shit if some chick wants to walk down the street with her tits out saying "See? It doesn't matter if my tits are out. See? See? LOOK AT MY TITS. They're out. See how it doesn't matter?"
If you wanna piss of the squares, go ahead I guess.
This reminds me of all the libertarians who fucking rant about how no one should ever get married.
I have lived in Europe for 21 years now. I have long since stopped even noticing what people are wearing. Body hair on chicks doesn't bother me either I'll chew those hairs off her nipples with a big smile on my face. I don't force my deviant attitude on others though, so I see your point. My point was if I am hurt or in a accident situation I prefer, maybe not stripper openness, but nurse openness helps get things done. With that said let me admit you would have trouble finding a bigger pussy than me to pick up a dead body or deal with a dying person.
Let me put out a point where we surely differ right now. I dislike people who make a big deal and stare at woman who are breastfeeding. I do appreciate it when women are subtil, but I hate people who give woman who aren't a hard time. If people would just accept mammary glands for what they are there wouldn't be anything to discuss or care about and I guess that is what makes me feel as I do.
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I dislike people who make a big deal and stare at woman who are breastfeeding. I do appreciate it when women are subtil, but I hate people who give woman who aren't a hard time. If people would just accept mammary glands for what they are there wouldn't be anything to discuss or care about and I guess that is what makes me feel as I do.
Yeah, I berated this chick at the grocery yesterday for not busting out her tits when her baby was screaming. Sorry, lady, but traumatized babies are far more important than the prudey sensibilities of brain-damaged adults.
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Let me put out a point where we surely differ right now. I dislike people who make a big deal and stare at woman who are breastfeeding. I do appreciate it when women are subtle, but I hate people who give woman who aren't a hard time.
You are surely wrong. Why would I care that some lady is feeding her kid? That's like, one of the main purposes of breasts. Getting shitty because someone gives you a look because they think you're gross ain't great, either. On the other hand, if I had a kid, I'd prefer if my wife didn't whip her tits out in public, not that I have a say on the subject.
If people would just accept mammary glands for what they are there wouldn't be anything to discuss or care about and I guess that is what makes me feel as I do.
Actually, breasts are a highly specialized form of sweat gland. I'd actually rather not think of them that way or "Accept" them.
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I dislike people who make a big deal and stare at woman who are breastfeeding. I do appreciate it when women are subtil, but I hate people who give woman who aren't a hard time. If people would just accept mammary glands for what they are there wouldn't be anything to discuss or care about and I guess that is what makes me feel as I do.
Yeah, I berated this chick at the grocery yesterday for not busting out her tits when her baby was screaming. Sorry, lady, but traumatized babies are far more important than the prudey sensibilities of brain-damaged adults.
Sweet. Did she have a nice rack? 8)
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I dislike people who make a big deal and stare at woman who are breastfeeding. I do appreciate it when women are subtil, but I hate people who give woman who aren't a hard time. If people would just accept mammary glands for what they are there wouldn't be anything to discuss or care about and I guess that is what makes me feel as I do.
Yeah, I berated this chick at the grocery yesterday for not busting out her tits when her baby was screaming. Sorry, lady, but traumatized babies are far more important than the prudey sensibilities of brain-damaged adults.
Sweet. Did she have a nice rack? 8)
Truthfully, I didn't notice. I was more concerned about the little person.
I do, however, hold the position that all racks are nice in their own way.
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Let me put out a point where we surely differ right now. I dislike people who make a big deal and stare at woman who are breastfeeding. I do appreciate it when women are subtle, but I hate people who give woman who aren't a hard time.
You are surely wrong. Why would I care that some lady is feeding her kid? That's like, one of the main purposes of breasts. Getting shitty because someone gives you a look because they think you're gross ain't great, either. On the other hand, if I had a kid, I'd prefer if my wife didn't whip her tits out in public, not that I have a say on the subject.
If people would just accept mammary glands for what they are there wouldn't be anything to discuss or care about and I guess that is what makes me feel as I do.
Actually, breasts are a highly specialized form of sweat gland. I'd actually rather not think of them that way or "Accept" them.
Sorry I missjudged you.
Interesting about the sweatglands thing. Makes the whole boob hangup even more hilarious to me though.
Some stripper going for a boob job "Hey Doc can you make these specialised sweat glands bigger and fake looking so I can impress my Friends?"
Two Guy walking near a beach "Holy gee wiz Shaggy look at her specialized sweat glands they make me all sweaty and nervous."
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Let me put out a point where we surely differ right now. I dislike people who make a big deal and stare at woman who are breastfeeding. I do appreciate it when women are subtle, but I hate people who give woman who aren't a hard time.
You are surely wrong. Why would I care that some lady is feeding her kid? That's like, one of the main purposes of breasts. Getting shitty because someone gives you a look because they think you're gross ain't great, either. On the other hand, if I had a kid, I'd prefer if my wife didn't whip her tits out in public, not that I have a say on the subject.
If people would just accept mammary glands for what they are there wouldn't be anything to discuss or care about and I guess that is what makes me feel as I do.
Actually, breasts are a highly specialized form of sweat gland. I'd actually rather not think of them that way or "Accept" them.
Sorry I missjudged you.
Interesting about the sweatglands thing. Makes the whole boob hangup even more hilarious to me though.
Some stripper going for a boob job "Hey Doc can you make these specialised sweat glands bigger and fake looking so I can impress my Friends?"
Two Guy walking near a beach "Holy gee wiz Shaggy look at her specialized sweat glands they make me all sweaty and nervous."
As long as breasts are part of anything sexual, and they are, there will be people who have opinions about it. Sex is a big deal. Touching and playing with boobs is a pretty major part of sex. Telling people to "Get over it" is silly. It's what people like. I like boobs. Covering them up is sexy. Uncovering them is sexy. They're sexy bundles of fun. Wanting them to not be that when they obviously ARE that is just pissing into the wind.
What I'm saying is: The people who like boobs don't care what you think, and will continue to be who they are, and criticizing them will not change their opinion.
Besides, it's all bullshit anyway. Objectification of the opposite sex is inevitable. Saying otherwise makes you a hypocrite the first time you peel one off to some porn.
People like boobs, man. That creates a market for boobs. Boobs become a premium. A bargaining chit even. Wanna see her tits? Three dates, a couple dinners, some movies, and you'll get to see her tits. If not, you go to greener pastures because she's overestimated the value of her tits. On that same note, giving away for free what some other people are trying to sell annoys the people trying to sell. That's life.
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I dislike people who make a big deal and stare at woman who are breastfeeding. I do appreciate it when women are subtil, but I hate people who give woman who aren't a hard time. If people would just accept mammary glands for what they are there wouldn't be anything to discuss or care about and I guess that is what makes me feel as I do.
Yeah, I berated this chick at the grocery yesterday for not busting out her tits when her baby was screaming. Sorry, lady, but traumatized babies are far more important than the prudey sensibilities of brain-damaged adults.
Wouldn't it be up to the grocer?
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If you have nice tits, you may as well show them off >_______________>
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If you have nice tits, you may as well show them off >_______________>
You be the judge.
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Those guys seem to have some decent tits.
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If you have nice tits, you may as well show them off >_______________>
You be the judge.
(http://freekeene.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ToplessTuesdaysCensored.jpg)
The breasts are just fine...
...BUT...
...this would be one of those times I have to apply my mom's advice, and stop talking.
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Looks like a Phish camp.
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TITTIES!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you don't use your freedom, you'll lose it.
True.
But it is not true that using your freedom always reinforces it -- it has to be done responsibly, and mindful of other peoples' reactions.
Case in point: open carry at the HCR6 vote in the State House, and the subsequent clamp-down.
Case in point: how many of the comments from people in Keene are along the lines of, "I would generally agree with you people, but flashing boobs at a school bus is going too far..."
Case in point: how many people in Keene are generally favorable to legalizing marijuana (spoiler alert: a LOT), versus how many think a crackdown is justified on people who disrupted Keene Pumpkin Fest? (spoiler alert: even more)
Irresponsible, poorly thought-out "celebrations" like those the Keeniacs are promoting generally cause a blowback reaction that raises the number of laws and the severity of law enforcement.
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In either 5th or 6th grade, the guys discovered a huge cache of Louis L'Amour books at the town library.
The explosion in reading was ignored in the zeal to burn those books, because, you know, that's going too far.
I must have been 25 or 26 before I realized there are people in the world who don't like to read. For pleasure.
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Case in point: open carry at the HCR6 vote in the State House, and the subsequent clamp-down.
There's been a crackdown in Concord where you generally don't do civil-dis. That whole incident is kind of funny to me because it was the varying shades of politicos fighting each other. I wasn't invested in the vote which just seemed like a big silly game to me so I was nonplussed.
Case in point: how many of the comments from people in Keene are along the lines of, "I would generally agree with you people, but flashing boobs at a school bus is going too far..."
Similar to claims that they'd probably vote for a lot of what we want if we'd just work through the system (that was designed to give people a sense that they've got some control so they'll keep obeying and avoid anything that actually might undermine the system.) It's an ambiguous offer, a really transparent manipulative tactic, a carrot on a stick to lead us back to the treadmill, or in your example to control behavior.
Case in point: how many people in Keene are generally favorable to legalizing marijuana (spoiler alert: a LOT), versus how many think a crackdown is justified on people who disrupted Keene Pumpkin Fest? (spoiler alert: even more)
And yet there hasn't been a crackdown and it's been months.
You need to develop a thicker skin. If you ever do anything substantial, you WILL have vocal opponents. Naysayers always shout louder than supporters; an unfortunate fact of life. You're not here mixing with the locals so you're not hearing a lot of the casual discussions we get to have here where we discover friends and allies on many of the issues. The ones who aren't busybodies and aren't upset just aren't inspired to spend their valuable time spamming comment sections of news articles.
I'm not a fan of a lot of the specific choices of how people go about different things either and I've often expressed constructive criticism. Pumpkin Fest is an example where I favored an alternative, less in-your-face celebration. I'm just not going to get all Chicken Little about it. The tactics will evolve.
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If you don't use your freedom, you'll lose it.
True.
But it is not true that using your freedom always reinforces it -- it has to be done responsibly, and mindful of other peoples' reactions.
Case in point: open carry at the HCR6 vote in the State House, and the subsequent clamp-down.
Case in point: how many of the comments from people in Keene are along the lines of, "I would generally agree with you people, but flashing boobs at a school bus is going too far..."
Case in point: how many people in Keene are generally favorable to legalizing marijuana (spoiler alert: a LOT), versus how many think a crackdown is justified on people who disrupted Keene Pumpkin Fest? (spoiler alert: even more)
Irresponsible, poorly thought-out "celebrations" like those the Keeniacs are promoting generally cause a blowback reaction that raises the number of laws and the severity of law enforcement.
Quite frankly, I don't agree with the opening premise, which I've emboldened. It's only in the environment of the abusive state (I.E., not in a realistic environment) where that can happen. FWIW, I still don't believe the assertion about how your examples of activism made a negative difference, either, and I'm guessing a LOT around here don't. You can get away with claiming they may have made a difference, but I wouldn't take it on the word of some politician you're trying to convince to be more freedom-lovin.
I guess I'd take what you said and reword it considerably differently. Participating in behavior which you know pisses off your neighbors isn't likely going to get you what you want, but it won't be license for them to take your liberty. The rub is in the last bit. Though they can't honorably take your liberty, your actions may make you uncomfortable if you've made others uncomfortable.
BTW, I think there's VALUE in coaxing the violent bureaucrats to reveal the gun in the room. It makes obvious the basic immorality of their system.
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The breasts are just fine...
...BUT...
...this would be one of those times I have to apply my mom's advice, and stop talking.
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Dennis, if you ever start having real political success, the statists are going to come out of the wordwork to complain about how you are destroying society too.
The only reason they aren't is because YOU AREN'T SUCCEEDING.
Civil disobedience has led to the de-facto freedom to smoke cannabis in Keene's Central Square Every day they are showing the people of Keene that cannabis can be consumed peacefully and responsibly, contradicting what they've been taught.
Let me know when the law catches up :not holding breath:
Also, you sound like a crybaby
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Civil disobedience has led to the de-facto freedom to smoke cannabis in Keene's Central Square
Were people being arrested for smoking cannabis in Keene's Central Square before the civil disobedience?
Every day they are showing the people of Keene that cannabis can be consumed peacefully and responsibly, contradicting what they've been taught.
Or they are reinforcing a stereotype.
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You know if one side is adamant on flashing boobs at a school bus, then I'm just going to be on the other side.
If you can't use your freedom responsibly I'm gonna have to agree that you guys come off as dicks.
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You can't "flash boobs" because boobs aren't nudity.
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If you can't use your freedom responsibly I'm gonna have to agree that you guys come off as dicks.
Yep. They seem to be losing it. When they turn off the people that agree with them what does that say? I used to find their antics funny but I sure would avoid these freaks if they lived near me. Maybe even egg their house when I could get a way with it. In before NAP, blah blah blah.
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If you can't use your freedom responsibly I'm gonna have to agree that you guys come off as dicks.
Yep. They seem to be losing it. When they turn off the people that agree with them what does that say? I used to find their antics funny but I sure would avoid these freaks if they lived near me. Maybe even egg their house when I could get a way with it. In before NAP, blah blah blah.
I put down a couple of bets on the Braves and Rays this morning. Now I'm hanging out waiting for some downloads. I'm teaching a distance class from my den this week.
Does all that meet with your approval, or should I get out the hose and scrub brushes now?
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As I said a few weeks ago--people in New Hampshire better get their shit together and recognize that the shit they don't like other activists doing is the kinda shit that's gonna happen in a free society. As for me, I'm good with it. I can recognize and appreciate the benefits of both, and I think the losers who are going to take a collectivist view of the "wrong" activism practiced by others are going to be contemporary Don Quijotes--ironically, for want of support from other Don Quijotes.
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Political successes have been happening -- bills killed, mostly. Some good ones passed. Given the present composition of the NH Legislature, that's saying something.
I'd say it's a higher bar for success, and requires a certain maturity, responsibility level, and ability to make and execute long-term plans.
It's somewhat easier to just smoke pot and show boobies.
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You can't "flash boobs" because boobs aren't nudity.
It is if you're a woman and you lift up your shirt and point them at a school bus.
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Political successes have been happening -- bills killed, mostly. Some good ones passed. Given the present composition of the NH Legislature, that's saying something.
I'd say it's a higher bar for success, and requires a certain maturity, responsibility level, and ability to make and execute long-term plans.
It's somewhat easier to just smoke pot and show boobies.
Since when has kissing the ass that feeds you been a sign of maturity? It's a sign of conformance, and I don't think it's something to be proud of. I can see the advantages of both forms of activism, but when it turns you into something like that....
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You can't "flash boobs" because boobs aren't nudity.
It is if you're a woman and you lift up your shirt and point them at a school bus.
I agree with TLV on this one. Audience & intent matters. A woman lifting her shirt for breastfeeding, or changing her shirt, or pulling off her top because it's frakking burning up outside... that's not offensive. "Flashing" a school bus full of children is... because it's intended to be provocative.
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If you can't use your freedom responsibly I'm gonna have to agree that you guys come off as dicks.
Yep. They seem to be losing it. When they turn off the people that agree with them what does that say? I used to find their antics funny but I sure would avoid these freaks if they lived near me. Maybe even egg their house when I could get a way with it. In before NAP, blah blah blah.
I put down a couple of bets on the Braves and Rays this morning. Now I'm hanging out waiting for some downloads. I'm teaching a distance class from my den this week.
Does all that meet with your approval, or should I get out the hose and scrub brushes now?
LOL.
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It is if you're a woman and you lift up your shirt and point them at a school bus.
No one did that. They were topless on a hot day along with a bunch of guys whom no one paid any attention to. This sounds like a really creative interpretation of events to take a completely passive act and make it sound aggressive.
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It is if you're a woman and you lift up your shirt and point them at a school bus.
No one did that. They were topless on a hot day along with a bunch of guys whom no one paid any attention to. This sounds like a really creative interpretation of events to take a completely passive act and make it sound aggressive.
That's the impression given by the news story. Like it or not, that's how the event is going to be remembered by most folks.
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You know what I can't stand? Fellow "liberty lovers" being on the statist side of this argument.
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You know what I can't stand? Fellow "liberty lovers" being on the statist side of this argument.
Saying the timing/location could have been better chosen is not the same as being on the statist side.
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You know what I can't stand? Fellow "liberty lovers" being on the statist side of this argument.
Saying the timing/location could have been better chosen is not the same as being on the statist side.
So, tell us, which time and location would have been the best so no statist's brains were harmed?
This is why I say you're on they're side, because you come off as wanting to protect their wish to initiate force.
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Saying the timing/location could have been better chosen is not the same as being on the statist side.
It's been at 4:20 since it started and I think the time chosen was pretty appropriate for a 4:20 event.
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You know what I can't stand? Fellow "liberty lovers" being on the statist side of this argument.
Saying the timing/location could have been better chosen is not the same as being on the statist side.
So, tell us, which time and location would have been the best so no statist's brains were harmed?
This is why I say you're on they're side, because you come off as wanting to protect their wish to initiate force.
How about not right as school is letting out for the afternoon?
I'm not saying they had no right to do it - I am saying it was a bad idea to do something that looks as though it was chosen expressly to offend as many as possible. Sure, it didn't really harm anyone. At most, it leads to lots of snickering & jokes between the kids, and uncomfortable conversations with parents. But many parents didn't see it that way. And some of those parents are starting a petition to create a new law to restrict the topless women. That's right... it might become a restriction because of the protest.
It's a matter of doing something which fits the environment. I think the 420 smoke breaks are great. Having a seat on a park bench & lighting up is just like all the tobacco smokers who would do the exact same thing.
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That's the impression given by the news story. Like it or not, that's how the event is going to be remembered by most folks.
Yes, I realize there are some really pig-headed people out there and that they won't get over their weird hang-ups and double-standards until enough women act like they're not ashamed of themselves for a while and the sky doesn't fall. I'm not talking to those people. I'm talking to a so-called libertarian on the FTL forums who's using their same bass-ackwards hyperbolic accusatory language when you know what really happened, and what didn't happen.
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You know what I can't stand? Fellow "liberty lovers" being on the statist side of this argument.
I'm also thinking this happens because people have "grown up"...strike that: "given up" and decided to integrate with the force initiators.
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As I said a few weeks ago--people in New Hampshire better get their shit together and recognize that the shit they don't like other activists doing is the kinda shit that's gonna happen in a free society. As for me, I'm good with it. I can recognize and appreciate the benefits of both, and I think the losers who are going to take a collectivist view of the "wrong" activism practiced by others are going to be contemporary Don Quijotes--ironically, for want of support from other Don Quijotes.
I agree this is the sort of shit that would happen in a free society but we are missing a very important counter weight for stupid behavior. That being things like egging the offenders homes to show them what they are doing is not appreciated. No collectivist thinking here, just taking on the individual responsibility, in a non violent manner, to educate the young'ns that unacceptable behavior has consequences.
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That's the impression given by the news story. Like it or not, that's how the event is going to be remembered by most folks.
Yes, I realize there are some really pig-headed people out there and that they won't get over their weird hang-ups and double-standards until enough women act like they're not ashamed of themselves for a while and the sky doesn't fall. I'm not talking to those people. I'm talking to a so-called libertarian on the FTL forums who's using their same bass-ackwards hyperbolic accusatory language when you know what really happened, and what didn't happen.
And now I know how Denis feels every damn day.
Disagreeing with the way one particular event was staged doesn't mean I don't agree with the ideas behind it.
I peel out of my top in public on a regular basis, standing right by my truck when I'm done with a long ride or run. I get disapproving looks occasionally. However, if a class from the elementary school down the street from the park were using it's garden space/outdoor classroom in the park at that time, I'd walk to the restrooms at the other end of the park.
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They were topless on a hot day along with a bunch of guys whom no one paid any attention to.
Are they planning on every Tuesday being hot?
Why was that one chick wearing a hoodie if she was so hot?
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They were topless on a hot day along with a bunch of guys whom no one paid any attention to.
Are they planning on every Tuesday being hot?
Why was that one chick wearing a hoodie if she was so hot?
Figure sculpting, so she didn't have a visible muffin top.
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You know what I can't stand? Fellow "liberty lovers" being on the statist side of this argument.
Saying the timing/location could have been better chosen is not the same as being on the statist side.
So, tell us, which time and location would have been the best so no statist's brains were harmed?
This is why I say you're on they're side, because you come off as wanting to protect their wish to initiate force.
Just because thier shouldn't be a law doesn't mean they're not offensive assholes going out of their way to be offensive assholes. I don't want to lock them in a cage but they're still some rude-ass assholes. My GF says Keene is absolutely out of the question because of this and even if she hadn't they're still just WT assholes being WT assholes as loudly as possible and no one wants that regardless of religious, racial or political affiliation.
As far as initiating force on them... I'm not entirely opposed to it. I wouldn't stop the parent who felt like a few of them needed a good ass kicking. Fuck them, they're assholes. Maybe sometimes assholes should get hit in the mouth to prevent them continuing to be assholes. They weren't just minding their own business w/o shirts on. They were gathered for the specific purpose of drawing attention to themselves and thier titties and they chose as public a place as possible with unusually high middle school traffic to do it in.... assholes. They should be ostracized.
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While I don't agree with Ecolitan on the justifiability of "Activists" being harmed, I think that the likelihood of it starting to happen at some point to be very high.
It's an issue that I've thought quite a bit about, and something that I don't think the activists have seriously considered much, because it hasn't happened yet. (Well, in any serious way.)
Harassment and violence against Free State activists by non-government people is bound to happen at some point.
That sort of thing usually starts with vandalism. Slashed tires, that sort of thing, and escalates to "Go home freetards" graffiti and the random beer bottle chucked at someone.
Of course, government people will be trying REAL HARD (tm) to find the culprits.
Just to be sure, I'm not saying it's okay, I'm saying that it's gonna happen.
I hate making up scenarios, but what happens when some pissed off soccer mom open hand slaps some girl for flipping her boobs out at her kid? In a crowd of Free Staters? Yeah, they like the NAP, but once someone violates it, there is a good contingent of liberty type people who don't seem to know when to quit, on the retaliation front. I can imagine said soccer mom getting a serious beatdown by multiple people.
Imagine that headline for a minute.
LOCAL MOTHER BEATEN BY MULTIPLE IMMIGRANT ANTIGOVERNMENT OUTSIDER "FREE STATER" ASSAILANTS, "SHE STARTED IT." THEY SAY
This is the sort of shit that will happen, at some point.
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What? I'm just pointing out shit that people need to be prepared for.
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Yep. In the wild west there was/is I dunno case law involving 'fighting words'.
Walking up to someone and declaring loudly that you fucked their mother is, in our culture, an invitation to engage in a violent altercation. What they are doing is not quite that provocative but they're on the right track.
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Yep. In the wild west there was/is I dunno case law involving 'fighting words'.
Walking up to someone and declaring loudly that you fucked their mother is, in our culture, an invitation to engage in a violent altercation. What they are doing is not quite that provocative but they're on the right track.
Hey, I'm not supporting that shit, I'm just saying it's gonna happen at some point.
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me too
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What? I'm just pointing out shit that people need to be prepared for.
If there is no one to stand up to it, then there is no point thinking about a free society...is there?
Basically I see a bunch of people in this thread who are WAITING for people en masse to start resisting government violence...and bitching about it when they actually do in such minor fucking ways.
It makes my brain hurt.
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me too
"As far as initiating force on them... I'm not entirely opposed to it"
Right.
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yep, meant that literally
not entirely opposed =/= for it
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Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
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If there is no one to stand up to it, then there is no point thinking about a free society...is there?
Well I'm not against standing up to it. That's the second time, however, that you've suggested that I've sold out because I'm not interested in doing the same thing someone else is interested in doing. I've also clearly pointed out what I think will work, and even said in that very post that everyone will ignore the thing I suggested, and everyone did. So I've said:
1. This isn't my idea of a good time.
2. Here's what I think is a good alternative.
People should do exactly what they think will work.
Basically I see a bunch of people in this thread who are WAITING for people en masse to start resisting government violence...and bitching about it when they actually do in such minor fucking ways.
It makes my brain hurt.
Have you asked them what they are doing, rather than assume it is "Nothing"? I mean, you may be totally right in a lot of cases. I'm not arguing that. There's a world full of complaints and a pocket full of action. I get that, but not everyone is like that, you know?
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Clarification:
I said this:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=33556.msg597947#msg597947
I later said this:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=33556.msg597978#msg597978
It was not all in the same post. Sorry.
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That's the second time, however, that you've suggested that I've sold out because I'm not interested in doing the same thing someone else is interested in doing.
I'm not suggesting you've sold out. You've stated your opinion...but you keep doing it over and over again in what I perceive in a "you people are being silly, stop it and keep debating the internet instead" kind of way.
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As I said a few weeks ago--people in New Hampshire better get their shit together and recognize that the shit they don't like other activists doing is the kinda shit that's gonna happen in a free society. As for me, I'm good with it. I can recognize and appreciate the benefits of both, and I think the losers who are going to take a collectivist view of the "wrong" activism practiced by others are going to be contemporary Don Quijotes--ironically, for want of support from other Don Quijotes.
I agree this is the sort of shit that would happen in a free society but we are missing a very important counter weight for stupid behavior. That being things like egging the offenders homes to show them what they are doing is not appreciated. No collectivist thinking here, just taking on the individual responsibility, in a non violent manner, to educate the young'ns that unacceptable behavior has consequences.
That would be a property violation, and inappropriate.
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That's the second time, however, that you've suggested that I've sold out because I'm not interested in doing the same thing someone else is interested in doing.
I'm not suggesting you've sold out. You've stated your opinion...but you keep doing it over and over again in what I perceive in a "you people are being silly, stop it and keep debating the internet instead" kind of way.
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I can see how it might look that way. That's not what I've been trying to say, though. So let me clarify -
If you think (Insert a thing here that you want to do) will get you some more freedom, go for it! However, don't fucking try to tell me that the thing I'm doing isn't enough.
Also, I want to make it clear, any idea that anyone comes up with to promote freedom should be picked apart to find every possible drawback, so that people can make an informed choice on what they want to do. Cost/Benefit.
In the spirit of that, I'm now going to point out the drawbacks on MY point of view.
1. I'll probably never get to see a free world. (I don't believe "Liberty in our lifetime" is gonna happen.) Entertaining that thought is really fucking depressing.
2. People may just as well ignore the argument from morality. I know people on my own side, who do.
3. We might be wrong about human nature, and children, even raised by what I consider to be the most moral methods, may end up a bunch of savage ingrate statists anyway. (Unlikely, but we don't have a huge data set. We're just kinda starting that experiment.)
4. To some people it looks like people like me aren't doing shit, apart from talking.
Now, I have arguments as to why I still think I'm right, but there, I've given myself the same treatment now.
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As I said a few weeks ago--people in New Hampshire better get their shit together and recognize that the shit they don't like other activists doing is the kinda shit that's gonna happen in a free society. As for me, I'm good with it. I can recognize and appreciate the benefits of both, and I think the losers who are going to take a collectivist view of the "wrong" activism practiced by others are going to be contemporary Don Quijotes--ironically, for want of support from other Don Quijotes.
I agree this is the sort of shit that would happen in a free society but we are missing a very important counter weight for stupid behavior. That being things like egging the offenders homes to show them what they are doing is not appreciated. No collectivist thinking here, just taking on the individual responsibility, in a non violent manner, to educate the young'ns that unacceptable behavior has consequences.
That would be a property violation, and inappropriate.
Eh, it is a minor one compared to the offense. Flashing one’s sagging old lady tits at a bunch of middle school kids is far more a violation of common sense and decency than a couple of eggs. Screaming shit through a bullhorn at a community gathering is just as idiotic. Freedom my ass. This is assholes being assholes. Some day they might grow up but odds of that happening are less if they are not shown antisocial behavior will not be tolerated. One would think by 12 years old they would know that but that does not seem to be the case. Who raised these people, wolves?
I am done.
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As I said a few weeks ago--people in New Hampshire better get their shit together and recognize that the shit they don't like other activists doing is the kinda shit that's gonna happen in a free society. As for me, I'm good with it. I can recognize and appreciate the benefits of both, and I think the losers who are going to take a collectivist view of the "wrong" activism practiced by others are going to be contemporary Don Quijotes--ironically, for want of support from other Don Quijotes.
I agree this is the sort of shit that would happen in a free society but we are missing a very important counter weight for stupid behavior. That being things like egging the offenders homes to show them what they are doing is not appreciated. No collectivist thinking here, just taking on the individual responsibility, in a non violent manner, to educate the young'ns that unacceptable behavior has consequences.
That would be a property violation, and inappropriate.
Eh, it is a minor one compared to the offense. Flashing one’s sagging old lady tits at a bunch of middle school kids is far more a violation of common sense and decency than a couple of eggs. Screaming shit through a bullhorn at a community gathering is just as idiotic. Freedom my ass. This is assholes being assholes. Some day they might grow up but odds of that happening are less if they are not shown antisocial behavior will not be tolerated. One would think by 12 years old they would know that but that does not seem to be the case. Who raised these people, wolves?
I am done.
Hmm. I guess you've exposed yourself voluntarily then. People have a right to be assholes if they're not harming someone or their property.* This is basic shit.
* of course, that doesn't mean it's a good idea, which is an entirely separate question. My concern is anyone who doesn't think things like this will happen in a free society isn't thinking things through...and for the record, I'd rather live in that society than the one we're in now. You may choose to live somewhere it won't be allowed, but that wouldn't be "free" unless by agreement.
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As I said a few weeks ago--people in New Hampshire better get their shit together and recognize that the shit they don't like other activists doing is the kinda shit that's gonna happen in a free society. As for me, I'm good with it. I can recognize and appreciate the benefits of both, and I think the losers who are going to take a collectivist view of the "wrong" activism practiced by others are going to be contemporary Don Quijotes--ironically, for want of support from other Don Quijotes.
I agree this is the sort of shit that would happen in a free society but we are missing a very important counter weight for stupid behavior. That being things like egging the offenders homes to show them what they are doing is not appreciated. No collectivist thinking here, just taking on the individual responsibility, in a non violent manner, to educate the young'ns that unacceptable behavior has consequences.
That would be a property violation, and inappropriate.
Eh, it is a minor one compared to the offense. Flashing one’s sagging old lady tits at a bunch of middle school kids is far more a violation of common sense and decency than a couple of eggs. Screaming shit through a bullhorn at a community gathering is just as idiotic. Freedom my ass. This is assholes being assholes. Some day they might grow up but odds of that happening are less if they are not shown antisocial behavior will not be tolerated. One would think by 12 years old they would know that but that does not seem to be the case. Who raised these people, wolves?
I am done.
Ignored.
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Eh, it is a minor one compared to the offense. Flashing one’s sagging old lady tits at a bunch of middle school kids is far more a violation of common sense and decency than a couple of eggs. Screaming shit through a bullhorn at a community gathering is just as idiotic. Freedom my ass. This is assholes being assholes. Some day they might grow up but odds of that happening are less if they are not shown antisocial behavior will not be tolerated. One would think by 12 years old they would know that but that does not seem to be the case. Who raised these people, wolves?
I am done.
Ignored.
That is probably best. Lindsey doesn’t seem to around anymore to throw metaphorical eggs at us to stop this from becoming another brouhaha over antisocial behavior again. At least this one the antisocial behavior is restricted to Keene and the forum is not covered in pictures of pencils used in a way they were not meant to be used in.
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Are you under the impression that w/o a monopoly on force there wouldn't be any?
Those guys are not the socio-economic type to have a DRO that will back you up when purposefully inciting strong emotional reactions from strangers, that's not going to be covered nor will the people that have a habit of doing it.
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Are you under the impression that w/o a monopoly on force there wouldn't be any?
Those guys are not the socio-economic type to have a DRO that will back you up when purposefully inciting strong emotional reactions from strangers, that's not going to be covered nor will the people that have a habit of doing it.
You're fooling yourself if you think there won't be people doing it. The "respectables" will have respectable DROs which will get them into nice clubs and big contracts, but the lowest level of society short of criminals will indeed do this shit...and the only "punishment" you can expect them to receive is loss of opportunity commensurate with its effects. That is, if they didn't damage anyone and pissed a lot of people off, they might no be able to get on to the same golf course you can, etc.
THAT was exactly my point. It's not that there won't be "rules" in society, but you can choose to take the consequences of breaking some of them, and some monopoly force agency won't be swooping in to make sure everyone's punished for the slightest offenses.
Addendum:
added missing word: damage
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Are you under the impression that w/o a monopoly on force there wouldn't be any?
Those guys are not the socio-economic type to have a DRO that will back you up when purposefully inciting strong emotional reactions from strangers, that's not going to be covered nor will the people that have a habit of doing it.
... but the lowest level of society short of criminals will indeed do this shit...and the only "punishment" you can expect them to receive is loss of opportunity commensurate with its effects. ...
THAT was exactly my point. It's not that there won't be "rules" in society, but you can choose to take the consequences of breaking some of them, and some monopoly force agency won't be swooping in to make sure everyone's punished for the slightest offenses.
Right, they might get their ass kicked and no one would care. Didn't mean to come off as saying this wouldn't happen in anarchotopia. I'm saying that if it did, in a town like Keene, they'd have already got their ass kicked or scared into promising to stop and no one would come to their rescue cuz it'd be a waste of resources.
It would probably go something like this:
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They might or might not. It depends on how trivial the ass-kicking is. A heated exchange and a couple of blows--maybe not. A hospital bed--count on action. The BIG thing that will change in a free society, which no one seems to take into account, is NO PUBLIC PROPERTY. That means the owner of the property will tell you what you best not be doing, and if you can't work out terms with him, you're not going to get access to his road, park, or whatever. If what you're doing is trivial, like showing boobs, he may decide you're not worth dealing with. If you're beating up his customers, it'll be an issue.
Think of it like what goes on in bars now, but without the big brother agencies who tell them how to run them. They'll tolerate some scandal, but not violence.
By the way, there never will be an anarchtopia. The term is offensive to intelligence.
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the lowest level of society short of criminals will indeed do this shit...and the only "punishment" you can expect them to receive is loss of opportunity commensurate with its effects.
Fuck that.
Some creepy drunk guy leers at my kids while taking a piss 2" off my property, I am paying my DRO to pick his ass up, shake him down for the cost of removal, and cart him to the nearest available Free Keene Zone. He can hang with the hippies there.
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the lowest level of society short of criminals will indeed do this shit...and the only "punishment" you can expect them to receive is loss of opportunity commensurate with its effects.
Fuck that.
Some creepy drunk guy leers at my kids while taking a piss 2" off my property, I am paying my DRO to pick his ass up, shake him down for the cost of removal, and cart him to the nearest available Free Keene Zone. He can hang with the hippies there.
Wow.
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If you think (Insert a thing here that you want to do) will get you some more freedom, go for it! However, don't fucking try to tell me that the thing I'm doing isn't enough.
Who's telling you what to do besides Keith the Fed? I'm just sick and tired of fellow liberty lovers telling people who piss off statist fuckwads what to do. AND people who encourage the initiation of force...especially this thread. It's making me fucking sick.
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re what davann said...
the ku klux klan used to (in some cases still does) burn crosses on black people's property to show that they aren't welcome there.
does that make it right?
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the lowest level of society short of criminals will indeed do this shit...and the only "punishment" you can expect them to receive is loss of opportunity commensurate with its effects.
Fuck that.
Some creepy drunk guy leers at my kids while taking a piss 2" off my property, I am paying my DRO to pick his ass up, shake him down for the cost of removal, and cart him to the nearest available Free Keene Zone. He can hang with the hippies there.
Your DRO is going to have a shitty rating if abuse people who didn't damage you and aren't even on your property. FWIW, I'm not saying this guy's DRO is going to be highly-rated either, but at least his isn't doing violence (so far as we understand the situation.)
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re what davann said...
the ku klux klan used to (in some cases still does) burn crosses on black people's property to show that they aren't welcome there.
does that make it right?
If that was the societal norm who am I say yea or nay? I am not arrogant enough to claim I know best. If I lived there I would be egging the cross burners houses when I could get a way with it though.
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the lowest level of society short of criminals will indeed do this shit...and the only "punishment" you can expect them to receive is loss of opportunity commensurate with its effects.
Fuck that.
Some creepy drunk guy leers at my kids while taking a piss 2" off my property, I am paying my DRO to pick his ass up, shake him down for the cost of removal, and cart him to the nearest available Free Keene Zone. He can hang with the hippies there.
Stranger Danger is Bullshit. It's more likely your kid will be hit by lightning than someone will touch them with a penis.
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the lowest level of society short of criminals will indeed do this shit...and the only "punishment" you can expect them to receive is loss of opportunity commensurate with its effects.
Fuck that.
Some creepy drunk guy leers at my kids while taking a piss 2" off my property, I am paying my DRO to pick his ass up, shake him down for the cost of removal, and cart him to the nearest available Free Keene Zone. He can hang with the hippies there.
Your DRO is going to have a shitty rating if abuse people who didn't damage you and aren't even on your property. FWIW, I'm not saying this guy's DRO is going to be highly-rated either, but at least his isn't doing violence (so far as we understand the situation.)
Denis would rather initiate violence then deal with freedom. Fucking fake anarchists...
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Denis would rather initiate violence then deal with freedom. Fucking fake anarchists...
Nothing says anarchists have to be libertarian.
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re what davann said...
the ku klux klan used to (in some cases still does) burn crosses on black people's property to show that they aren't welcome there.
does that make it right?
If that was the societal norm who am I say yea or nay? I am not arrogant enough to claim I know best. If I lived there I would be egging the cross burners houses when I could get a way with it though.
I'm going to say that it's wrong to use violence to force people out of their homes.
and that includes egging them.
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Pissing on my grass is polluting my property, no?
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define polluting Is deer piss pollution?
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define polluting Is deer piss pollution?
Wolf urine is good for keeping the deer from pissing in your yard.
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the lowest level of society short of criminals will indeed do this shit...and the only "punishment" you can expect them to receive is loss of opportunity commensurate with its effects.
Fuck that.
Some creepy drunk guy leers at my kids while taking a piss 2" off my property, I am paying my DRO to pick his ass up, shake him down for the cost of removal, and cart him to the nearest available Free Keene Zone. He can hang with the hippies there.
Stranger Danger is Bullshit. It's more likely your kid will be hit by lightning than someone will touch them with a penis.
Do you have a reference for this? It would be a great thing to say on air.
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re what davann said...
the ku klux klan used to (in some cases still does) burn crosses on black people's property to show that they aren't welcome there.
does that make it right?
If that was the societal norm who am I say yea or nay? I am not arrogant enough to claim I know best. If I lived there I would be egging the cross burners houses when I could get a way with it though.
I'm going to say that it's wrong to use violence to force people out of their homes.
and that includes egging them.
Burning crosses and throwing eggs is not violence. I agree actual use of violence would be wrong.
Cross burning would happen in some communities without government. I am all for freedom. If some neighborhoods think this sort of thing would work for them who are we to dictate otherwise. That does not mean that I don’t see something wrong with sending my own message, a message I would take full responsibility for, to those acting in such a way. The same applies to those that flash their tits at middle school kids or purposely disrupt a family themed community event.
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define polluting Is deer piss pollution?
If I don't want deer piss on my land I should do something about it, no? Like build a fence or shoot all deer (on my property).
Dennis would be well within his rights to have the guy brought to arbitration for pissing on his grass. He'd have to prove the case and the guy would have to compensate him for the damage done to the property. He wouldn't be able to charge the guy for having his penis out in the general vicinity of his property. But Dennis could also stand at the edge of his property with a fully loaded shotgun, or he could hire a security company to come out and stand in front of this guy with shotguns.
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Dennis would be well within his rights to have the guy brought to arbitration for pissing on his grass.
I suggest you re-read Denis' post. He was proposing a scenario where someone was peeing just outside of his property line. Not on it or into it.
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I think we're mixing a lot of issues here.
There's the public nudity. Which is cool, regardless of who you are. You were born naked. If you never owned a stitch you wouldn't be clothed now. Naked is the default state for human beings.
Your reaction to my condition is entirely within you.
If you don't like looking at naked bodies, look away.
Throwing eggs is initiating force against someone. How could it not be? You hurl a missile (the general term missile) at me and it somehow doesn't equate to using force? So you'd be cool if I started tossing hard boiled eggs at your windows? With a potato cannon? Don't be surprised when one of your egg tossing friends gets shot, because the sound of the egg popping against the house made an ex-marine a little twitchy.
Child molestation is real, but more likely to occur within a family than without. However if you really worry that much you could take all sorts of steps to prevent your child from being abducted/raped. (Hire guards, install lo-jack, vaginal defense system, etc) (But wouldn't this be less likely to happen in a free market system, as some of those people looking to have sex with children will be able to and therefore the incidence of child rape will go down.)
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Dennis would be well within his rights to have the guy brought to arbitration for pissing on his grass.
I suggest you re-read Denis' post. He was proposing a scenario where someone was peeing just outside of his property line. Not on it or into it.
I did, three times, I still see the guys feet planted 2" from the property line and the creepy (drunk) leering stream flying over the property line and landing on his grass.
I will admit that if this drunk is pissing and leering and not on Dennis' property, in either person or by-product, then Dennis has no case and no cause. Dennis should build a fence to stop random passers-by from soliciting his apparently sexy children.
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Throwing eggs is initiating force against someone. How could it not be? You hurl a missile (the general term missile) at me and it somehow doesn't equate to using force? So you'd be cool if I started tossing hard boiled eggs at your windows? With a potato cannon? Don't be surprised when one of your egg tossing friends gets shot, because the sound of the egg popping against the house made an ex-marine a little twitchy.
See this is the issue with hard core libertarian types and why everyone that is sane will never take them seriously. They take stuff to the extreme each and every time. Egging someone’s house is not initiating violence. Lighten up Francis.
Flashing tits at 12 year olds is not an initiation of force either, just really juvenile. But I guess to a hard core libers it is balls to walls activism. And if you suggest someone should put these retards in their place you risk being labeled a statist. Eh, why bother with these tards? Far more fun just to egg their home.
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Stranger Danger is Bullshit. It's more likely your kid will be hit by lightning than someone will touch them with a penis.
It's also far, FAR more likely that when a molestation does happen, it's someone very close to the child who already has convenient private access, usually a relative or even a parent but occasionally an unrelated care-giver. The stereotype of the guy driving by in a car and offering candy or lurking in play parks is not unknown, but it's rather rare. And so, as with many problems where emotionalism distorts it, resources for dealing with the problem are all horribly mismanaged.
But I digress. Back to drama...
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re what davann said...
the ku klux klan used to (in some cases still does) burn crosses on black people's property to show that they aren't welcome there.
does that make it right?
If that was the societal norm who am I say yea or nay? I am not arrogant enough to claim I know best. If I lived there I would be egging the cross burners houses when I could get a way with it though.
I'm going to say that it's wrong to use violence to force people out of their homes.
and that includes egging them.
Burning crosses and throwing eggs is not violence. I agree actual use of violence would be wrong.
It baffles the mind someone could say something so stupid. A cross burning (in the yard of the person being intimidated, which is how it's been done) is a credible threat, and a property violation. Egging is a property violation.
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re what davann said...
the ku klux klan used to (in some cases still does) burn crosses on black people's property to show that they aren't welcome there.
does that make it right?
If that was the societal norm who am I say yea or nay? I am not arrogant enough to claim I know best. If I lived there I would be egging the cross burners houses when I could get a way with it though.
I'm going to say that it's wrong to use violence to force people out of their homes.
and that includes egging them.
Burning crosses and throwing eggs is not violence. I agree actual use of violence would be wrong.
It baffles the mind someone could say something so stupid. A cross burning (in the yard of the person being intimidated, which is how it's been done) is a credible threat, and a property violation. Egging is a property violation.
This is why he's on ignore.
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For the record, my sister's car was egged at a school basketball game, and it ruined the paint. I can't believe any idiot would think it's okay to egg anything that's not his.
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And I can't believe someone flashing ones tits at 12 years old just for shock value thinks it is radical activism. One must know the audience they are communicating with. Juveniles respond well to similar juvenile behavior. An egging is what they will understand. Which is why so many are rushing to ignore or name calling. They are having trouble with the truth of the message an egging sends. Many don't want to hear that antisocial behavior is not a good thing and in the real world it will have consequences. They stick to their middle school mentality, stick their fingers in their ears and scream "Its Freedom, Damn IT!".
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Am I being trolled?
How is taking off your own shirt the same as hitting someone in the head with an egg?
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Am I being trolled?
How is taking off your own shirt the same as hitting someone in the head with an egg?
I never suggested chucking an egg at someone's head. That would be violence.
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Am I being trolled?
How is taking off your own shirt the same as hitting someone in the head with an egg?
I never suggested chucking an egg at someone's head. That would be violence.
How about egging someones property? It most certainly causes damage. That should violate the NAP.
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And I can't believe someone flashing ones tits at 12 years old just for shock value thinks it is radical activism.
Who did that? I've never heard of anything like that happening anywhere; although, I'm sure it must happen somewhere. Are you talking about the girl (18-21) that flashed a high school bus in Keene during topless tuesdays? It only had a few people on it and one of the kids flashed her back. Chances are she even knew some of the people on the bus.
That girl is from Keene or something and has never posted on any of the freedom forums or even attended Free Keene Fest. She isn't a slave that I can control so I couldn't reasonable treat her like my child and tell her to not do that stuff. She is just a girl having some fun.
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And I can't believe someone flashing ones tits at 12 years old just for shock value thinks it is radical activism. One must know the audience they are communicating with. Juveniles respond well to similar juvenile behavior. An egging is what they will understand. Which is why so many are rushing to ignore or name calling. They are having trouble with the truth of the message an egging sends. Many don't want to hear that antisocial behavior is not a good thing and in the real world it will have consequences. They stick to their middle school mentality, stick their fingers in their ears and scream "Its Freedom, Damn IT!".
I don't know why you're pretending as though I'm advocating the toplessness. I, for one, don't think it's necessarily a good idea, but I'm not going to get bent over it. I'm damned well going to get bent over fucking up peoples' property, though. You were called an idiot because you're being an idiot. Recognize that your favorite way to coerce people--egg throwing--is truly antisocial, and a property crime. In fact, it's pretty typical "middle school mentality" as well.
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And I can't believe someone flashing ones tits at 12 years old just for shock value thinks it is radical activism.
Who did that? I've never heard of anything like that happening anywhere; although, I'm sure it must happen somewhere. Are you talking about the girl (18-21) that flashed a high school bus in Keene during topless tuesdays? It only had a few people on it and one of the kids flashed her back. Chances are she even know some of the people on the bus.
That girl is from Keene or something and has never posted on any of the freedom forums or even attended Free Keene Fest. She isn't a slave that I can control so I couldn't reasonable treat her like my child and tell her to no do that stuff. She is just a girl having some fun.
DAMAGE CONTROL'D
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Am I being trolled?
How is taking off your own shirt the same as hitting someone in the head with an egg?
well.... I'd like to clarify one thing. This isn't about someone walking around with their shirt off. That would be different, distasteful far as I'm concerned, but different. This is about people going out of their way to draw people's attention to them walking around without a shirt off, that's just obnoxious, and unapologetically doing it in front of lots of schoolchildren, that's an explicit invitation for unpleasantness.
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How about egging someones property? It most certainly causes damage. That should violate the NAP.
Fighting words dude. Taking your shirt off and walking around is not an aggressive act. Gathering lots of people to take their clothes off in a very public place and (apparently, as I read on) specifically targeting a shoolbus... that's certainly aggressive if not aggression. I'm not inclined to come to their defense.
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Do you have a reference for this? It would be a great thing to say on air.
Only the episode Stranger Danger of Penn and Teller's Bullshit. It was only implied if I recall and it was about your child being touched by a 'stranger's penis'.
Seems likely enough with the stranger caveat. Probably not true for all penii.
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How about egging someones property? It most certainly causes damage. That should violate the NAP.
Fighting words dude. Taking your shirt off and walking around is not an aggressive act. Gathering lots of people to take their clothes off in a very public place and (apparently, as I read on) specifically targeting a shoolbus... that's certainly aggressive if not aggression. I'm not inclined to come to their defense.
Oh, bullshit. That's not aggressive. Stupid, maybe, but not aggressive.
(Just to clarify, it would be aggressive if they forced the school bus to stop in order to "flash" the students...and as someone has pointed out, it was an act of one individual, not the planned product of some hive mind.)
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How about egging someones property? It most certainly causes damage. That should violate the NAP.
Fighting words dude. Taking your shirt off and walking around is not an aggressive act. Gathering lots of people to take their clothes off in a very public place and (apparently, as I read on) specifically targeting a shoolbus... that's certainly aggressive if not aggression. I'm not inclined to come to their defense.
Oh, bullshit. That's not aggressive. Stupid, maybe, but not aggressive.
(Just to clarify, it would be aggressive if they forced the school bus to stop in order to "flash" the students...and as someone has pointed out, it was an act of one individual, not the planned product of some hive mind.)
of course it was one individual, never suggested otherwise
aggressive:
1.characterized by or tending toward unprovoked offensives,...
4. boldly assertive and forward; pushy: an aggressive driver.
of course it's aggressive
It's a curiousity to me the points you choose to make in your post. If it were proven that it was an 'aggresive' act than would it be ok to egg the house of that individual? I suspect you'll say no, so, what's your point? Why are those talking points?
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Am I being trolled?
How is taking off your own shirt the same as hitting someone in the head with an egg?
I never suggested chucking an egg at someone's head. That would be violence.
How about egging someones property? It most certainly causes damage. That should violate the NAP.
It does violate NAP. No doubt.
I contend that flashing some saggy tits at impressionable youth that have yet to be exposed to the ravages of time in fact traumatizes them. Why steal their innocence? Let them believe that all tits are beautiful and something to be sought after. They have plenty of time to find out otherwise in their 30’s when their wifes tits are hitting her ankles and he is fantasying about titty fucking his teenage son’s girlfriend.
So, yes egging violates NAP but not violate initiation of aggression.
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I'm gonna switch sides for a moment. It is too a violation of NAP. It's aggressing against a person's property, it damages paint and paint protects things so hypothetically if left unattended your egg could expose siding to element which could cause it to rust through then rot the wood etc.
It IS initiation of force which would happen in anarchotopia.
I didn't spend long in NH so I don't know for sure but if this happened in oklahoma the State's monopoly on the use of violence is currently the only thing keeping these guys safe.
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You know if you actually think burning a cross on someone's lawn is justifiable at all you just took a shit on the NAP, plus you're an awful person.
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You know if you actually think burning a cross on someone's lawn is justifiable at all you just took a shit on the NAP, plus you're an awful person.
I never know if you're trolling or not.
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You know if you actually think burning a cross on someone's lawn is justifiable at all you just took a shit on the NAP, plus you're an awful person.
I never know if you're trolling or not.
I was serious :(
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How about egging someones property? It most certainly causes damage. That should violate the NAP.
Fighting words dude. Taking your shirt off and walking around is not an aggressive act. Gathering lots of people to take their clothes off in a very public place and (apparently, as I read on) specifically targeting a shoolbus... that's certainly aggressive if not aggression. I'm not inclined to come to their defense.
Oh, bullshit. That's not aggressive. Stupid, maybe, but not aggressive.
(Just to clarify, it would be aggressive if they forced the school bus to stop in order to "flash" the students...and as someone has pointed out, it was an act of one individual, not the planned product of some hive mind.)
of course it was one individual, never suggested otherwise
aggressive:
1.characterized by or tending toward unprovoked offensives,...
4. boldly assertive and forward; pushy: an aggressive driver.
of course it's aggressive
It's a curiousity to me the points you choose to make in your post. If it were proven that it was an 'aggresive' act than would it be ok to egg the house of that individual? I suspect you'll say no, so, what's your point? Why are those talking points?
1. does not apply
4. congratulations, you found a vague relationship
In answer to your question, I was responding to the hyperbole that the shirtless women were being aggressive. I used no talking points, and used the parenthetical to point out that "1." fails, but you obviously choose to see shirtless women as being on some sort of offensive (like they're trying to force others to do something.)
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Am I being trolled?
How is taking off your own shirt the same as hitting someone in the head with an egg?
I never suggested chucking an egg at someone's head. That would be violence.
How about egging someones property? It most certainly causes damage. That should violate the NAP.
It does violate NAP. No doubt.
I contend that flashing some saggy tits at impressionable youth that have yet to be exposed to the ravages of time in fact traumatizes them. Why steal their innocence? Let them believe that all tits are beautiful and something to be sought after. They have plenty of time to find out otherwise in their 30’s when their wifes tits are hitting her ankles and he is fantasying about titty fucking his teenage son’s girlfriend.
So, yes egging violates NAP but not violate initiation of aggression.
Wow...clothing or the lack thereof constitutes aggression. What $600/hr psychologist is telling you that horse shit?
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1. does not apply
4. congratulations, you found a vague relationship
In answer to your question, I was responding to the hyperbole that the shirtless women were being aggressive. I used no talking points, and used the parenthetical to point out that "1." fails, but you obviously choose to see shirtless women as being on some sort of offensive (like they're trying to force others to do something.)
Are you not paying attention or are you just ignoring what I say and pretending I say something else? It's not about not having a shirt and going about your business.
Taking your shirt off and walking around is not an aggressive act. Gathering lots of people to take their clothes off in a very public place and (apparently, as I read on) specifically targeting a shoolbus... that's certainly aggressive
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1. does not apply
4. congratulations, you found a vague relationship
In answer to your question, I was responding to the hyperbole that the shirtless women were being aggressive. I used no talking points, and used the parenthetical to point out that "1." fails, but you obviously choose to see shirtless women as being on some sort of offensive (like they're trying to force others to do something.)
Are you not paying attention or are you just ignoring what I say and pretending I say something else? It's not about not having a shirt and going about your business.
Taking your shirt off and walking around is not an aggressive act. Gathering lots of people to take their clothes off in a very public place and (apparently, as I read on) specifically targeting a shoolbus... that's certainly aggressive
Are you talking about the bullshit lie about "targeting a schoolbus?" I ignored it because it was obviously a bullshit lie and/or hyperbole. I referred to the only objective issue--tits without shirts. You seem to be envisioning tits with crossbows.
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Lets say a "Lady" is standing on the curb with her breasts covered by a shirt that is thin enough that you can roughly guess what cup size she may be. A school bus goes by, presumably with kids from age 1 to 18 on it. Is this an act of aggression?
What about if she is bra-less and you can see a bit of nipple through the shirt? How about if she has a small V cut in the shirt? What about a large V cut? Is side boob aggressive to children?
What if this lady is wearing a thick coat, but she has a sign with a smiley face on it, is that aggressive? What if the sign has a middle finger? How about poorly drawn breasts? Decently colored in breasts? Very accurate breasts?
Can a sign hurt someone by being viewed? What if below the sign is the -Exact same image- but in the 3D form of a marble sculpture? How about if its a realistic mannequin? And now how about if the manikin is actually a person?
What makes you so special that you get to determine what is decent and what is not?
The Voluntaryist way to determine this slippery slope should be to make all amounts of boob showing to be acceptable so long as your property is not infringed upon. Nobody is being harmed. If you really cant have your kid looking at a ladies body, then you shouldnt be letting your kid out into public or place them on a public bus. Lock them in your house and only allow them to watch G rated movies. And dont breast feed.
This image is from wikipedia.(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Closeup_of_female_breast.jpg/300px-Closeup_of_female_breast.jpg)
Also, throwing rocks at someone initiates aggression, replace rocks with eggs or bullets and its the same thing.
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I never thought I'd get fucking tired of tits.
Good job, FTL BBS.
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I never thought I'd get fucking tired of tits.
Good job, FTL BBS.
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I never thought I'd get fucking tired of tits.
Good job, FTL BBS.
OK, OK, you aren't really tired of tits. Just take a deep breath. You're probably just tired of listening to the endless debate.
Wait, tired of fucking tits? How could that even...
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I never thought I'd get fucking tired of tits.
Good job, FTL BBS.
Seconded. Though, Anarchir did make it more interesting by providing visual aids.
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Yep. The usual Seth brand of "freedom".
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Hmmm....so much Seth bashing....such a waste of time and energy.
And doesn't someone have any juicy drama to post ad get this thread back on what it was about....good, old fashioned drama. :)
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And doesn't someone have any juicy drama to post ad get this thread back on what it was about....good, old fashioned drama. :)
I've got some juicy drama about a politically inclined FSP'er who...oh, nevermind...that would be rude.
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Sundays podcast was boring (I stopped halfway through). Partially because I have already read the cracked.com article they are reading on air. Partially because they should have practiced more before hand.
Edit: I heard on the Skeptics Guide podcast that they were given advice to make three podcasts the first time and then throw them out, then make one for real. This would serve to iron out the kinks. It would be more difficult with a live one but I'm sure they could figure it out.
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Sundays podcast was boring (I stopped halfway through).
So you didn't listen to Hannah?
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What? A woman was on FTL and I missed it? Holy fucking Christ. That is momentous.
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Sundays podcast was boring (I stopped halfway through). Partially because I have already read the cracked.com article they are reading on air. Partially because they should have practiced more before hand.
Edit: I heard on the Skeptics Guide podcast that they were given advice to make three podcasts the first time and then throw them out, then make one for real. This would serve to iron out the kinks. It would be more difficult with a live one but I'm sure they could figure it out.
Why throw out the practice runs, when someone wants to hear them? and I can assure you, someone wants to hear them.
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We had tens of listeners last night!
Seriously though, as I understand it, the podcast listeners and cam viewers was pretty high. Mark and Ian are already playing it safe by having this experiment on a night when no radio stations can have their airwaves contaminated by the inexperienced host-wannabees. I think the pressure of some listeners needs to be there for us to be motivated and to really learn. We're supposed to talk to just each other for 3 hours? Hell, how else will we get callers and learn how to interact with them?
I hate that the first few moments of the first ever Sunday show had me stumbling over the phone number switch but I felt like we smoothed things out reasonably well as the show went on. I definitely feel the 2nd half was better than the first half, FWIW. Listening to some of the show this morning gave me some feedback for how I can improve next time. In an attempt to keep things lively, my speech was often too rushed and lacked proper enunciation. There also wasn't enough talk about butts and various deviant sexual topics.
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I definitely feel the 2nd half was better than the first half, FWIW.
Damn! You said that because you knew that was the part I hadnt listened to, didnt you?! Now I have to go back and download it again to finish the podcast.
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I like the idea of a FTL farm league. I don't know if this belongs in the Drama thread, though.
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Everyone has to start somewhere. I applaud these guys for making an effort to learn how to do things by themselves. Who knows when Ian will decide it's time to get arrested again. The more people there are capable of keeping the show going in some capacity or another, the better.
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Mark mentioned something I specifically said on Mondays podcast. It it weird I'm so happy about this? :lol:
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Can someone with an account at NHfree.com grab a scan of the article and post it here?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20792.msg323319#msg323319
It's related to this thread
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20782.0
Today we had a fire at Mike's place and Murrle came and hasseled us about it. When we refued to put it out the fire department came and put it out.
Russel almost got arrested for this. It happened on Monday. I was in Grafton burying my dog around that time. I saw people cleaning the fire truck.
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In b4 whining.
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I wonder if Eukreign here (where the fuck did he go?) put the fire out, since he's supposedly still a member of the volunteer fire department. If he did, he sold out yo.
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Mike Barskey should send the town a bill for Right of Way.
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I'm itching to see Babiarz' response. He was LPNH chair and is running for Governor.
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I'm itching to see Babiarz' response. He was LPNH chair and is running for Governor.
There's a video. He was the one who put the fire out. Such a good freedom fighter he is.
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Oh for haven's sake.
It's like a scientific attempt to find the smallest molehill a person can die on.
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Well, if he just had a permit none of this would have happened and the fire would never have been dangerous.
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You need a permit for a campfire in NH?
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You need a permit for a campfire in NH?
The top article said just in the city.
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Oh for haven's sake.
It's like a scientific attempt to find the smallest molehill a person can die on.
At least some of us have principals. Is there a single act of disobedience that you agree with? Just name ONE.
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You need a permit for a campfire in NH?
NH is like CA is some ways.
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I probably would have just laughed at them and told them to leave me alone. Something like "Is it seriously illegal for me to have a camp fire on my own property?" I mean honestly, half the people I know have fire pits in their yards. Even my girlfriend has a moveable fire pit on her balcony in her apartment. We have fires on her balcony (it's not as dangerous as it sounds trust me) and nobody has ever said shit about it. Cops drive past all of the time and nobody has ever said one word about it. This is quite strange to me.
We have campfires every time we go camping, which is often with the dirtbikes. I have never ONCE bought a permit for a campfire. We mostly make our own fire rings in the middle of nowhere, either in the desert or the forest or chaparral. Never had a permit once. Never been hassled for one of our fires once.
Sometimes we bring those nasty craigslist free sofas out to start our fires. Build a huge ring around the couch and light it up with homemade Molotov cocktails and keep it going with pallets. Only do that in the desert though or chaparral. Rangers may come by to check out our campsite and make sure all of our vehicle registrations are up to date and that all of our bikes have spark arrestors, but never have I ever been hassled for a fire, even those monstrous couch fires.
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Sometimes we bring those nasty craigslist free sofas out to start our fires. Build a huge ring around the couch and light it up with homemade Molotov cocktails and keep it going with pallets. Only do that in the desert though or chaparral.
I've burned couches in Grafton before. I also burned all my cardboard. Sometimes there would be flames shooting 15 feet in the air. I never got a permit. My house came with a 55 gallon burn can that was smoldering when I bought it.
Merle is my favorite cop in the world. Russell is my favorite douche bag.
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Sometimes we bring those nasty craigslist free sofas out to start our fires. Build a huge ring around the couch and light it up with homemade Molotov cocktails and keep it going with pallets. Only do that in the desert though or chaparral.
I've burned couches in Grafton before. I also burned all my cardboard. Sometimes there would be flames shooting 15 feet in the air. I never got a permit. My house came with a 55 gallon burn can that was smoldering when I bought it.
I'm sure it's easier when your house isn't on the main highway or you're not a Freestater.
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Oh for haven's sake.
It's like a scientific attempt to find the smallest molehill a person can die on.
Yeah, some fire marshals and other statist types are for shit.
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I'm in Marlborough just 4 miles from Keene and literally a 5 minute walk from the center of town. I was chatting with my cop next-door neighbor the day of my move-in (one of the 2 cops in Marlborough) and asking him about fire permits. He just kind of shrugged at the talk of a permit and said they're supposed to be after 5pm and not during high risk times; I guess after several hot dry days or something. I have a fire pit in my yard and my roommates and I have thrown a number of very successful bonfire parties. A cop showed up (not my neighbor) because someone called and complained about the parking situation, which was actually a valid nuisance, IMHO, and we dealt with it. The whole incident was handled and over within a few minutes. I never even heard about it until it was already over. A guest met him at the border of the property and people moved their cars. He never said a word about the raging bonfire which was visible from there.
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Is there a single act of disobedience that you agree with? Just name ONE.
Mike Fisher's "outlaw manicure"
It was well-researched, well-executed, got great press. Most importantly, Mike went out of his way to do newspaper & radio interviews, and and off as intelligent, humble, and well-spoken. The "illegal" manicure was a little shocking to some people, but was the most non-threatening, non-emotional thing he could find. Kat was the client, obviously a willing & fully-informed participant.
It was like the opposite of smoking dope in the town square.
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Merle is my favorite cop in the world. Russell is my favorite douche bag.
All ya'll should read the above very carefully.
Blackie here is a Grafton native.
Blackie did shit like blow shit up and fire kickass weapons on his property. I've seen the vids.
If a fairly contrarian, rebellious guy like Blackie is telling you that Merle is his favorite cop in the world, that tells you something.
It's clear as day to me that Mike Barskey -- the guy who got kicked out of Murphy's Taproom and cheated on someone's wife (or whatever the hell that drama was) -- and Russ Kanning have made an extra effort to be really obnoxious to Merle, Babiarz, and other people in town who are basically libertarian.
Doing everything imaginable to alienate, rather than win, hearts and minds.
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It's clear as day to me that Mike Barskey -- the guy who got kicked out of Murphy's Taproom and cheated on someone's wife (or whatever the hell that drama was) -- and Russ Kanning have made an extra effort to be really obnoxious to Merle, Babiarz, and other people in town who are basically libertarian.
No, THEY went out of their way to be douchebags. THEY CAME ONTO MIKE'S PROPERTY. Remember the NAP?
EDIT: After watching the video I really don't see how Mike "went out of his way" to be obnoxious to the people who came onto his property without his permission.
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Be sure to lick the anal crack of everyone in NH when you arrive, or they might find you objectionable.
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Merle is my favorite cop in the world. Russell is my favorite douche bag.
All ya'll should read the above very carefully.
Blackie here is a Grafton native.
Blackie did shit like blow shit up and fire kickass weapons on his property. I've seen the vids.
If a fairly contrarian, rebellious guy like Blackie is telling you that Merle is his favorite cop in the world, that tells you something.
It's clear as day to me that Mike Barskey -- the guy who got kicked out of Murphy's Taproom and cheated on someone's wife (or whatever the hell that drama was) -- and Russ Kanning have made an extra effort to be really obnoxious to Merle, Babiarz, and other people in town who are basically libertarian.
Doing everything imaginable to alienate, rather than win, hearts and minds.
The Whine-o-Meter is pegging today.
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I'm itching to see Babiarz' response. He was LPNH chair and is running for Governor.
It's funny that he literally has to put out fires started by free staters.
What do you know about his run for Governor?
Blackie here is a Grafton native.
Nope, I moved there in 2004.
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Thumbs up for posting a comic.
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I think it's funny the initialism is fap.
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I'm itching to see Babiarz' response. He was LPNH chair and is running for Governor.
It's funny that he literally has to put out fires started by free staters.
What do you know about his run for Governor?
Blackie here is a Grafton native.
Nope, I moved there in 2004.
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Because he has a website.
http://johnbabiarz.org/
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You cannot be more smug than this.
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You cannot be more smug than this.
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Lets get him and Ian together, maybe their smugness will create a vortex.
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You cannot be more smug than this.
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Lets get him and Ian together, maybe their smugness will create a vortex.
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Resemblance?
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http://freekeene.com/2010/06/16/government-learned-me-good/#more-6689
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Last night's Free Talk Live was a great example. Surprise, surprise, bringing open firearms and a bullhorn to your "high school outreach" pushes people away from you and makes you look like nutcakes.
Listening to the Keeniacs rationalize it all away was fucking hilarious.
I am seriously considering taking up a collection... bus tickets... give the Freak Staters a free one-way ride to New York city, where their antics will fit in better
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If the kids lash out, you can be sure they are mimicking their parents behavior. Most people follow their parents politically, philosophically, etc. until they move out and someday possibly attempt to become an individual.
'especially sam miller' == definitely a kid overhearing the parents talking
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Yeah, any kid that didn't instantly side with the protesters is clearly brainwashed :roll:
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Yeah, any kid that didn't instantly side with the protesters is clearly brainwashed :roll:
I'm not exaggerating, and I'm not saying they all are, but remember back in High School/Middle School? I remember discussing politics in even elementary school. I said I'd vote for Nader, except he smoked so I had to write him off. LOL
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OMG Poisoning the well!
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Women-march-topless-in-Portland-without-incident.html
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"Ty McDowell, who organized the march, said she was "enraged" by the turnout of men attracted to the demonstration. The purpose, she said, was for society to have the same reaction to a woman walking around topless as it does to men without shirts on."
Oh shutup you lesbo dyke.
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There are lots of gays in Portland Maine.
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"Ty McDowell, who organized the march, said she was "enraged" by the turnout of men attracted to the demonstration. The purpose, she said, was for society to have the same reaction to a woman walking around topless as it does to men without shirts on."
Oh shutup you lesbo dyke.
Well if there's a march every day for the next ten years in every town on earth, society probably will have the same reaction.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3365.msg36950#msg36950
Ok so I arrived last night in Keene. The only thing I had to go on was the web for my ideas of Keene and FSP. So I started walking down mainstreet and first thing I noticed was that for a little town it was jumping for a weds. night. Also there were ladies in droves. So I started asking around about FSP and if anyone knew of them or where to go to meet up. Out of 20 or so super nice and helpful keenites. ONly one knew of or heard about FK, FSP?
The one who did said those guys that smoke in the square. I found this extremely weird that the locals havnt heard of you all. So I floated around like the butterfly I am. And came across some liberty minded peple that offered a place to crash. Sweet, thanks Keene good looking out. More then I can say for FSPor FK. And those folks havent heard of FSP or FK.?? Really??Wtf??
How can this "movement" not even be noticed by the locals? How can this "movement" ask for non local, like minded people to come and help. When FSP wont help them out? I have wrote in this forum and for the most part have been completly ignored? Am I to expect help if I got jammed up on some cDis? When I cant even get simple questions answered? Lots of views zero help?
Its not like I was looking for charity or a red carpet. I have frn's and I'll make my own way as much as possible. I just needed a friendly point in the right direction. NO Reply's??? Why?
I do relize I asked with very short notice but still. A hey lancaster is 2 hours from keene and buses dont run there. Would have saved me a ton of trouble. Or a hey everyone will be in lancster so dont bother to come cause you probably wont have a ride. That would have been nice. I only had impressions from the web to go by. I thought FSP was a community helping each other out for liberty for all. I dont know what to think now.
Anyways I still would love to go to PF and see Marc and the other speakers. Im still very eager and open-minded. But if I dont get any help by tonight I will be going home in the morning. If whoever views this please at least send a hey we hear you but ....or .....Although I'm not holding my breath.
Peace
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Where all all the frakkin UNICORNS I was told about??!!??
I based my entire move on having enough unicorn meat to sustain my life!
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Oh, snap! They broke Russell. Again. It sounds like Russell and Kat will be moving to California.
USA! USA! USA!
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20751.msg324566#msg324566
Russell:
it was very close
the judge might have been effected by Kat crying in the room when he said he thought me going to jail until I paid $10,000 was a good idea.
they wanted an equal pound of flesh (money, paperwork, my unwavering compliance, and maybe some jail time), but found that they couldn't get it all at once and that it would cost them money
I let them know what I was willing to do ... $400/month plus doing their paperwork ... and that was almost not good enough for now. I also told them that if they threw me in for 10grand, that they would not get the money and I would just have to rot in the jail. I also told them if they went down that road, I would just leave the state, when I got the chance.
we shall see in the future
most of it hinged on the fact that some paperwork didn't get to me in the mail and they were mad that I hadn't filled it out ... now i have it
The judge also mentioned that he would rather have me disappear that have me sit in jail, since it would cost them money.
So if they can live with the smaller amounts, and CA lowers their requested per month, then I can stay here and work. If not, I think Kat and I will move to CA where I can work and not have to risk going to jail.
btw everyone in the system says they wish it was not like this, but they are doing their jobs. The judge also bases their claims against me on me not following "societies" orders. They don't understand why I am making this "personal". The dhhs lady also asked if she was being recorded. I guess she keeps up with the keeniacs antics. She also entered into the record, excerpts of this thread.
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yes
helps not to beat your wife if you don't want the lawmen to notice you
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Last night's Free Talk Live was a great example. Surprise, surprise, bringing open firearms and a bullhorn to your "high school outreach" pushes people away from you and makes you look like nutcakes.
Listening to the Keeniacs rationalize it all away was fucking hilarious.
I am seriously considering taking up a collection... bus tickets... give the Freak Staters a free one-way ride to New York city, where their antics will fit in better
you can donate it to CDEvolution.org
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3381.msg37077;topicseen#msg37077
The Witch Hunt of Christopher
Hello all,
Let me please preface this post by stating that I had an absolutely fantastic time at PorcFest. This was my first year and I can’t wait for the next one. Thank you so much to everyone who put it together and thank you to all the great people I met.
With that said, I was made aware of a very troubling incident that occurred on Saturday. Most people are probably partly aware of the incident already, but certain details should be made known in the interest of accuracy and good-will.
The incident is, what I would call, the “Witch Hunt of Christopher.” My information comes both from Christopher himself, with whom I spoke at length on Sunday, and from several others who had first hand evidence of the events.
The person I would like to call to question on the incident is John Bush from Texas, who, on Saturday night, got on stage at the Soap Box event and accused Christopher of likely being a “Federal Agent” and encouraged all attendees to be on guard accordingly.
Apparently, John and others were following Christopher around for a good portion of that Saturday, taking photos, filming, and interrogating him. The evidence John and company accumulated to support the thesis of “Federal Agent” was strong enough to compel John to oust Christopher that night on stage.
What disturbs me immensely is the following:
A) Christopher was interrogated extensively against his will, shadowed throughout the day, filmed when he explicitly asked not to be filmed, and was generally treated with a great deal of incivility.
B) Christopher’s campsite was invaded. His property was searched. His tent was entered when he was not there. This is quite honestly appalling and incredibly stupid if it is true. The information comes from one of Christopher’s campsite neighbors who saw this incredible intrusion occur.
C) Throughout the night, people were shouting at Christopher while he was in his tent trying to sleep. Christopher told me he was quite understandably frightened for his safety and ended up spending most of the night with his hand on his gun, listening to frequent heckles and insults from those passing by outside.
D) Christopher apparently spoke with some of the event organizers about this, and it appears that said organizers were much more interested in further interrogations than in apologies.
Now, let me be clear here, I want to be corrected if any of this information is wrong. Also, I am not naming John Bush as one of the people that invaded Christopher’s campsite. Christopher is not sure who invaded the site. I would greatly appreciate it if that person (or people) stepped forward and defended their actions.
I have yet to hear any good evidence that Christopher is a Federal Agent. John Bush – please present the evidence here to defend your accusations. My impression is that Christopher simply rubbed you the wrong way and didn’t fit your stereotypes, thus you profiled him and with the encouragement of a paranoid crowd the story quickly got out of hand. Please indicate to me the evidence from your perspective.
According to Christopher, he is from Buffalo, NY. He started and runs a marketing agency. He came to NH for PorcFest and is staying several weeks to see where he would like to settle. He’s leaving his life and friends to join the FSP, and his introduction to the group would be enough to scare most people away forever.
Christopher spent time with a large group of us in Keene last night. He was very forthright about the events that transpired and I know he is happy to talk to anyone who is interested. His mobile is 716-807-4640.
I want the rumors stopped now if there is no reasonable evidence. Christopher seems to be a very smart, friendly, and successful person, and if these traits evidence him as a federal agent, then we can be sure to reduce the number of smart, friendly, successful people that join the FSP… and we’ll be left with the opposite.
John Bush – please step up and address this. Either present compelling evidence, or apologize for the hasty, and extremely public, accusation.
Thank you everyone for reading the post and, once again, thanks for showing me a great time at PorcFest. I hope to see you all very soon.
Note: this has also been posted on the FSP General Forum.
-Erik Voorhees
720.382.4326
erikvoorhees [at] gmail
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B) Christopher’s campsite was invaded. His property was searched. His tent was entered when he was not there. This is quite honestly appalling and incredibly stupid if it is true. The information comes from one of Christopher’s campsite neighbors who saw this incredible intrusion occur.
What the hell?!
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B) Christopher’s campsite was invaded. His property was searched. His tent was entered when he was not there. This is quite honestly appalling and incredibly stupid if it is true. The information comes from one of Christopher’s campsite neighbors who saw this incredible intrusion occur.
What the hell?!
Yeah, what the hell is that crap? I'm sure these are people who would scream bloody murder if agents of the government broke into their homes or other property and rifled through their things.
I also think it's silly to spend so much time and effort trying to pick out "The Fed". What is The Fed going to do to you? Unless you're talking about something that could be considered terrorism, drug trafficking, or illegal weapons sales, I think there's very little possibility that The Fed will take an interest in you or your activities. IMO, take a chill pill and if you think someone is The Fed, just don't talk about your intent to blow shit up. Problem solved.
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I bet it was Seth Cohn that did it.
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B) Christopher’s campsite was invaded. His property was searched. His tent was entered when he was not there. This is quite honestly appalling and incredibly stupid if it is true. The information comes from one of Christopher’s campsite neighbors who saw this incredible intrusion occur.
What the hell?!
Yeah, what the hell is that crap? I'm sure these are people who would scream bloody murder if agents of the government broke into their homes or other property and rifled through their things.
I also think it's silly to spend so much time and effort trying to pick out "The Fed". What is The Fed going to do to you? Unless you're talking about something that could be considered terrorism, drug trafficking, or illegal weapons sales, I think there's very little possibility that The Fed will take an interest in you or your activities. IMO, take a chill pill and if you think someone is The Fed, just don't talk about your intent to blow shit up. Problem solved.
Damn! Someone better apologize fast.
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And yet another reason why I don't want to go to New Hampshire is posted in this thread.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3381.msg37104#msg37104
Erik, I appreciate your post and your concerns as well. First of all, big thanks to all the Free Staters, especially those who organized the event, for welcoming me in to your community. It was my second time to the free state and I enjoyed myself immensely, met some very wonderful people, and learned very much about effective strategies to further the cause of liberty.
I don’t have to much time to commit to this right now so I’ll start with addressing some of your concerns and then leave you with a little of mine as well. You asked for me to “either present compelling evidence, or apologize for the hasty, and extremely public, accusation.” I will do both. I apologize for the approach I took in publicly “outing” Christopher Marketing. (which is what I referred to him as) Looking back, this was probably not the best approach in dealing with this problem. I am willing to admit that. Had I been absolutely certain, which I was not and am still not, then perhaps that approach may have been excusable. This however was not the case. I apologize to FSP for my actions and I have already apologized to Christopher for inadvertently making him feel unsafe while at PorcFest.
As far as your four concerns, my reply is as follows:
A. “Christopher was interrogated extensively against his will”
This is entirely untrue. I told Chris many times throughout our conversation that he was free to terminate the conversation whenever he chose. He understood this and told me he wished to continue on and wanted to chat with the organizers and his accusers.
“shadowed throughout the day”
After becoming aware of some of the concerns about Chris from my firsthand accounts and the accounts of others, I took it upon myself to ask him for an interview. He responded by saying, almost verbatim, “I am wearing my glasses, my hair is messy, I am in marketing and I have a public image to maintain”. I replied that maybe we can try tomorrow and he said maybe we could. Later that day I remembered that I had an audio recorder. I thought this would alleviate Chris’ concerns and sought to conduct another interview. My friend Gabe Bigger and I then saw Chris and decided to try again for the interview. We walked towards him and as he saw us he headed off in the opposite direction. This is probably what he construed as us following him. I did approach him once again with audio recorder in hand and asked him to conduct an interview this time on audio only to alleviate his self image concerns. It is worth noting that he refused the audio interview as well now stating that he was planning on running for office in NH and did not want stuff to come back and haunt him.
“filmed when he explicitly asked not to be filmed”
While Christopher did initially decline an interview, after my “outing”, we approached once more with camera in hand, and attempted another interview. This time around he did not have a problem with us recording as he continued to conversate with us after we told him he could walk away at any time and he later stated that he did not consent to the distribution of the recordings for commercial purposes. I told him we did not do our recordings for commercial purposes.
“and was generally treated with a great deal of incivility.”
I will not be posting the recordings today as I do not have time and have not fully decided how to move forward. I will look in to the law, the plusses and minuses of releasing such footage, and I am open to advice as this effects the FSP. If you were to hear the recordings, you will see that I was not overtly hostile and did my best to be as civil as possible. In addressing your other concerns it will illustrate the civility of myself as well as the organizers who went along with us attempt to alleviate Chris’ apprehension.
B. Christopher’s campsite was invaded. His property was searched. His tent was entered when he was not there. This is quite honestly appalling and incredibly stupid if it is true. The information comes from one of Christopher’s campsite neighbors who saw this incredible intrusion occur.
During my conversation with Chris we came to the conclusion that it would be good to meet some of his accusers and also meet with some the PorcFest organizers. During this meeting, Chris informed us that as he and I were talking, someone had put a tent up on his sight and had gone through his stuff. As the recording will show, myself, along with some of the PorcFest organizers went to investigate and get to the bottom of the problem. Chris was assured by myself as well as the organizers that we had no knowledge of this occurrence and were determined to alleviate his problem to the best of our ability.
Upon visiting his site we came across the tent, took a peep inside, and saw that there was no sleeping bag and a bag with baby diapers hanging out of it. This was rather peculiar. Thankfully, as we were leaving the site to further investigate a woman approached who owned the tent and had simply placed it at an RV site as opposed to the same numbered tent site. I imagine she looked in his tent trying to see if she was in the right spot. Not sure about this though. Either way we expressed to him that we did not approve of this action and that the person would be reprimanded if there was mal intent. Again, I think this was just an unfortunate coincidence.
C) Throughout the night, people were shouting at Christopher while he was in his tent trying to sleep. Christopher told me he was quite understandably frightened for his safety and ended up spending most of the night with his hand on his gun, listening to frequent heckles and insults from those passing by outside.
This is unfortunate. I feel bad if this was a result of my call-out.
D. Christopher apparently spoke with some of the event organizers about this, and it appears that said organizers were much more interested in further interrogations than in apologies.
This is entirely untrue. The organizers and myself were adamant about alleviating his concerns. We spent two hours working it out and making sure he felt safer. The recordings reveal this. There was a moment when he told us that he now felt unsafe as a result of my outing. With this I felt much indignity and remorse. I apologized to him on the spot as did some of organizers. I also visited him the next morning to thank him for being so understanding about our concerns as well as apologize to him again for doing anything to make him feel unsafe. I feel I was quite civil and I am certain that FSP reps were as well.
Hopefully that clears up some of the confusion.
Now for the other side of your request, presenting evidence of Chris being a federal agent. Firstly, I’m not sure that he is a federal agent per se. It is my contention that he is potentially an infiltrator of some sorts and is not being forthright with his intentions. Here are some of the reasons why I think so. Bear in mind, I have much audio and eye witness testimony as well as internet research to still dig through. I’ll start with some of the main contentions and go on from there. Again, much of these contentions, except for the recorded contradictions, are circumstantial in nature. However, the number of reports and the occurrence of suspicion from very many people lead me to believe that Mekker is someone who should be further looked in to.
1. According to Mariana Evica, Mekker approached her and asked her if she knew anybody that is “selling drugs for cash.” She double confirmed this for me on video and he denied it multiple times on video.
2. Mekker was reported to have asked someone about the FSP and if they had any affiliation with the militia. After denying this twice on the record he later admitted to having asked that question when we met with PorcFest organizers.
3. Mekker continually asked PorcFest organizers about FSP’s security.
4. Mekker went from camp site to camp site and from group to group asking some very probing and intrusive questions.
5. Mekker was very curious about the Domes asking many people what they knew about the domes and what their affiliation was with the domes.
6. Mekker asked people who the “kingpins” and the “movers and shakers” of FSP were.
7. Mekker repeatedly asked about the corporate structure of the FSP.
8. Mekker contradicted himself on multiple occasions concerning how he got involved in the freedom movement.
9. Mekker contradicted himself multiple times about how he heard about the FSP.
10. Mekker told Catherine Bleish that he was from Ontario, Canada and told me and others that he was from Buffalo, NY. Upon pointing out his contradiction he said that he spent time in Canada when his girlfriend lived there but he was not from there.
11. Mekker allegedly walked on to my camp site and gave a new Free Stater named Wes a nug of pot saying this is from Canada.
12. Mekker walked on to a camp site as someone was loading a pipe, he asked “what are you doing over there” and the loader replied “I’m doing what I do.” The loader, knowing Mekker was a potential operative, ceased his activity. Ten minutes later he asked “are you still doing what you do?”
13. To the best of my knowledge, Mekker did not know anyone at PorcFest outside of hving a conversation with a realtor. Being brand new to the movement, Mekker is ready to move, even before meeting people.
14. Mekker asked a camper about a .38 pistol he had stored away in a motorcycle and if he open carried.
15. Mekker stated that he did not want to sign up officially as a FSP signer yet he was till planning on moving.
16. Mekker refused to do an on camera interview claiming he had to uphold his image as a marketer and did not want to look bad as his hair was messed up and his glasses were on. He later refused a audio interview which would have alleviated his prior concerns.
These are some of the concerns expressed by myself as well as other PorcFest attendees. There are more and I will report upon them at greater length upon more research. I want you guys to know that I did everything I could to make it clear that my approach and actions were not reflective of the FSP. I informed Chris that I am not an FSP signer and I am speaking as an individual. I apologize again for the public approach I took and deeply regret any damage I may have done. I do not however regret questioning him in the manner I did as much insight and contradictions were revealed from our discussions.
Based on the 16 items above, I still remained concerned and will be filing an open records request in the next couple of days to see if there is any information to be found about Mr. Mekker in the state of NH, NY, or Nevada where Chistopher LLC is registered. I will relay any and all information that we receive or come across concerning this matter. Thanks again for your concern.
Humbly,
John Bush
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If you dont get any answers do you intend to waterboard him?Are you not welcome in NH if you are socially awkward ?
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That guy is a regular fucking scum bag.
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Never have any of these sort of problems in Nevada. Free State Project sucks ass.
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Come to N.H. get fucked by the feds or the fed hunters.
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This is what I have to say about it -
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=34170.0
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that's it, I'm moving back to Massachusetts because since this happened to someone in Lancaster that must mean it's happening all over the state by every single individual in it.
also, I know nothing like that could ever happen anywhere else. In fact, not only F the FSP, but F the liberty movement and F life in general.
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People who have/attend public 420 events should be surprised when people they don't know ask where to get weed.
I'm just sayin'.
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that's it, I'm moving back to Massachusetts because since this happened to someone in Lancaster that must mean it's happening all over the state by every single individual in it.
also, I know nothing like that could ever happen anywhere else. In fact, not only F the FSP, but F the liberty movement and F life in general.
Pretending it didn't happen doesn't help.
What makes us better than the bad guys is that our team is supposed to admit when they mess up, and face the negative possible outcomes.
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Quote by Voorhees: "inadvertently"
Bullshit.
And Shaw is spot on as usual of course.
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This is what I have to say about it -
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=34170.0
Turning a current member or someone loosley associated is the normal game plan. Happened to the Weaver dude. Or at least that was what was attempted.
Paranoia runs deep at Porc Fest it seems. 2011 marketing should go some thing like this: PorcFest 2011! Come join in next year's Fed hunt. In 2011 all accused of being a Fed will be tossed into the river to see if they float to determine guilt of innocence. Fun to be had for all ages.
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there were a lot of paranoid pot smokers smoking out in the open. Same with vendors.
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Paranoia runs deep at Porc Fest it seems.
Only among the freaks who run around "looking for the Fed"
:roll:
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Paranoia runs deep at Porc Fest it seems.
Only among the freaks who run around "looking for the Fed"
:roll:
Is looking for the fed a porc fest event, hahahah! sounds like a kids game and i bet that kids would be very good at it, except I would call it "spot the retard, or spot the wanker or spot the loser." Adults tend to have blockages to being able to spot the outsider, kids are great at it, then they like to bully, hey, maybe you could offer kids $20 for every fed they kick in the shins. The feds want the paranoia, people should just do what they are going to do, food is something I would do in NH, open up an operation like that biscuit lady has but with indian food. I've never understood why people follow government dictate when food is involved, the best food I've ever eaten in any country has always bee unregulated street food, awesome stuff.
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I'm glad I didn't have to deal with Denis Goddard or Seth Cohn at this year's PF.
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I'm glad I didn't have to deal with Denis Goddard or Seth Cohn at this year's PF.
It's mutual, BJ
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Feel the Love
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Im just glad christopher didnt have to blow someones head off to protect his property,which he would be fully justified in dong..Maybe John Bush and his cronies better remember that next time they raid someones property in this way.The harm this would do to the fsp would be immense.
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Im just glad christopher didnt have to blow someones head off to protect his property,which he would be fully justified in dong..Maybe John Bush and his cronies better remember that next time they raid someones property in this way.The harm this would do to the fsp would be immense.
You think blowing someone's head off is using reasonable force if you find them going through your campsite? Well, it appears as if someone mistook his campsite for theirs. Rogers has two sets of campsites labeled from 1 on up; one are the regular campsites and one are the RV sites. This person was assigned the RV site but ended up at the "Fed's" campsite instead. Still want to shoot someone Australis? Still think it is justified? I hope you shoot your mouth off more often than your gun.
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Im just glad christopher didnt have to blow someones head off to protect his property,which he would be fully justified in dong..Maybe John Bush and his cronies better remember that next time they raid someones property in this way.The harm this would do to the fsp would be immense.
You think blowing someone's head off is using reasonable force if you find them going through your campsite? Well, it appears as if someone mistook his campsite for theirs. Rogers has two sets of campsites labeled from 1 on up; one are the regular campsites and one are the RV sites. This person was assigned the RV site but ended up at the "Fed's" campsite instead. Still want to shoot someone Australis? Still think it is justified? I hope you shoot your mouth off more often than your gun.
So you think that just because someone confused a campsite number gives them the right to rummage through property that is CLEARLY not theirs? :|
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I hope you shoot your mouth off more often than your gun.
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Im just glad christopher didnt have to blow someones head off to protect his property,which he would be fully justified in dong..Maybe John Bush and his cronies better remember that next time they raid someones property in this way.The harm this would do to the fsp would be immense.
You think blowing someone's head off is using reasonable force if you find them going through your campsite? Well, it appears as if someone mistook his campsite for theirs. Rogers has two sets of campsites labeled from 1 on up; one are the regular campsites and one are the RV sites. This person was assigned the RV site but ended up at the "Fed's" campsite instead. Still want to shoot someone Australis? Still think it is justified? I hope you shoot your mouth off more often than your gun.
So you think that just because someone confused a campsite number gives them the right to rummage through property that is CLEARLY not theirs? :|
You are not addressing what I said. I asked if shooting that person is a reasonable response.
Rummage is simply the word that was used to describe what happened to the campsite. Often in these circumstances people will exaggerate. What if rummage meant the person unzipped his tent to see if someone was there. Or what if the person was expecting to meet a friend at the site and was confused as to whose site it is.
So, are you saying this rummager should have been shot in the head, BJ?
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What if rummage meant the person unzipped his tent to see if someone was there.
Burglary
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What if rummage meant the person unzipped his tent to see if someone was there.
Burglary
not a burglary, but maybe a trespass
The person was obviously looking for someone to rape.
"A person is guilty of burglary if he enters a building or occupied structure, or separately secured or occupied section thereof, with purpose to commit a crime therein, unless the premises are at the time open to the public or the actor is licensed or privileged to enter."
Does a tent count as a structure?
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Rogers has two sets of campsites labeled from 1 on up; one are the regular campsites and one are the RV sites. This person was assigned the RV site but ended up at the "Fed's" campsite instead.
I guess that mean you know exactly who did the rummaging.
Who was assigned to RV site?
Name the perp.
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It was reported that the guy felt so threatened by passersby that he slept with a gun under his pillow. That's probably what Austrailis was basing his statement on.
There's no excusing falsely calling someone out like that.
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There's no excusing falsely calling someone out like that.
I think I would classify it as harassment.
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Rich "420" Paul, Capuzo and Jackie arrested in Mass
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3401.msg37240#msg37240
These people are being held captive and ransom is $2500 bail each.
The location is Shelburne Falls, Mass.
The captors aka the State police's number is (413) 625-6311
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3401.msg37243#msg37243
A friend told me they allegedly had a firearm, and pot. I forgot to confirm if this was true.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3401.msg37244#msg37244
FIREARM, CARRY W/O LICENSE C . 269 S . 10(A ) 18months to 5 years
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/269-10.htm
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20958.msg324694#msg324694
About an hour after an activist took the stage to announce that he suspected a specific PorcFest visitor of being a Fed.... I sent the accused this message. He had given me his e-mail addie in a card he was handing out.
In the interest of transparency and because it's referenced in my vids I'm displaying this e-mail here. I will probably display other similar communication here as well.
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(sent from pda)
Infiltration, how would Gandhi hadle it??
From: Dave Ridley
Sent: Sat 6/26/10 9:53 PM
Hi (Name deleted):
Am informed you are suspected govt operative surveiling porcfest . If so , your assistance marketing our endeavor might be less appropriate than originally imagined.
We shouldn' use tax dollars, right?!
If your purposes here are peaceful , welcome. If aimed against victimless 'offenders,' please reconsider the morality of your mission.
If allegation is false, you may clear your name by meeting me at bingo hall to be photgraphed and interviewd 12pm sunday.
Best wishes regardless. It is our duty to make you feel phsically safe, whoever you are. It's our responsibility to win in your conscience a degree of sympathy for our goals...and means.
Yours,
Dave Ridley
RidleyReport.com
(Phone number)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xc1SI-99sM&
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Hahahahahaha! That guy is a fed? Listening to the way he talks in the second video and I'm tempted to say yes. He sounds like a cocksucking senator in that one. Why can't these asshats go out and actually solve a crime, I mean really, am I to take it there is no crime in NH or the rest of the country? What a waste of stolen money if he is a fed, like seriously buddy, get a life.
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Im just glad christopher didnt have to blow someones head off to protect his property,which he would be fully justified in dong..Maybe John Bush and his cronies better remember that next time they raid someones property in this way.The harm this would do to the fsp would be immense.
You think blowing someone's head off is using reasonable force if you find them going through your campsite? Well, it appears as if someone mistook his campsite for theirs. Rogers has two sets of campsites labeled from 1 on up; one are the regular campsites and one are the RV sites. This person was assigned the RV site but ended up at the "Fed's" campsite instead. Still want to shoot someone Australis? Still think it is justified? I hope you shoot your mouth off more often than your gun.
So you think that just because someone confused a campsite number gives them the right to rummage through property that is CLEARLY not theirs? :|
You are not addressing what I said. I asked if shooting that person is a reasonable response.
Rummage is simply the word that was used to describe what happened to the campsite. Often in these circumstances people will exaggerate. What if rummage meant the person unzipped his tent to see if someone was there. Or what if the person was expecting to meet a friend at the site and was confused as to whose site it is.
So, are you saying this rummager should have been shot in the head, BJ?
You mistook what I said.The guy was obviously in fear and felt threatened.It obviously follows that he could have reacted in a bad way.He was in his tent with his hand on his gun with a mob outside yelling insults at him.If someone tried to enter his tent at that time the results would be bad.Yes you are justified to defend yourself and your property.The fact people were so easily led to form a hanging squad says more about the quality of people who did so than about me supporting someone who is justified to defend themself.I wasnt the one in the roving waterboard squad so dont blame me for saying what is obvious.You either believe you have a right to defend yourself and your property or you dont.I cant say at what point this happens for everyone else.Neither can you.You have to look at the situation in question.Christopher felt threatened.No one ever said if his property was damaged or if he was compensated for said damage either.The appropriate course of action is to make him whole in body and mind whatever that entails.You cant blame me for their failure to do so because I wasn't there.....so has anyone taken the steps to see if any damage was done or what?I would like to hear from the person in question if he suffered a loss when he was threatened and his bags were "rummaged".Do you know if his property was damaged in the process?
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20958.msg324694#msg324694
If allegation is false, you may clear your name by meeting me at bingo hall to be photgraphed and interviewd 12pm sunday.
Yours,
Dave Ridley
Fuck that.. !
This is some low shit.. wrongly accuse and then give conditions on how the wrongly accused can clear their name. That's fucked up- all sorts of weak power plays mixed up in that approach. Sounds far less an opportunity to clear one's name than it is an ultimatum.
If the guy does turn out to be a fed, maybe there's more to the story, then of course I'm totally wrong- even though I disagree with how the outing was handled. I'm really surprised by all this given how the attendees are hardcore "liberty minded" people..
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What if rummage meant the person unzipped his tent to see if someone was there.
Burglary
not a burglary, but maybe a trespass
The person was obviously looking for someone to rape.
"A person is guilty of burglary if he enters a building or occupied structure, or separately secured or occupied section thereof, with purpose to commit a crime therein, unless the premises are at the time open to the public or the actor is licensed or privileged to enter."
Does a tent count as a structure?
On time I was assigned the same hotel room and when I got to the room I found a suitcase in the room. I unzipped the suitcase. I couldn't figure out if it was something left in the room by the previous occupant or some new strange service the hotel was providing. Sure enough there was stuff in the suitcase and it looked like it belonged to an individual. Just as I got the lid up a guy walks in the room and sort of exclaims in surprise. I show him my room key and explain what was going on in my head. We part amicably and go and I go and get a new room FOR FREE! YEAH BABY!
I guess these are my questions: Am I a burglar for trying to figure out what was going on? If this guy had a bad day, would he be justified in having blown my head off? The problem here seems to be, as I hear if from you guys (and I don't disagree), is that there were some harsh judgments made by some people who had existing prejudices... but that is exactly what I am hearing from Terror and Blackie.
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Im just glad christopher didnt have to blow someones head off to protect his property,which he would be fully justified in dong..Maybe John Bush and his cronies better remember that next time they raid someones property in this way.The harm this would do to the fsp would be immense.
You think blowing someone's head off is using reasonable force if you find them going through your campsite? Well, it appears as if someone mistook his campsite for theirs. Rogers has two sets of campsites labeled from 1 on up; one are the regular campsites and one are the RV sites. This person was assigned the RV site but ended up at the "Fed's" campsite instead. Still want to shoot someone Australis? Still think it is justified? I hope you shoot your mouth off more often than your gun.
So you think that just because someone confused a campsite number gives them the right to rummage through property that is CLEARLY not theirs? :|
You are not addressing what I said. I asked if shooting that person is a reasonable response.
Rummage is simply the word that was used to describe what happened to the campsite. Often in these circumstances people will exaggerate. What if rummage meant the person unzipped his tent to see if someone was there. Or what if the person was expecting to meet a friend at the site and was confused as to whose site it is.
So, are you saying this rummager should have been shot in the head, BJ?
You mistook what I said.The guy was obviously in fear and felt threatened.It obviously follows that he could have reacted in a bad way.He was in his tent with his hand on his gun with a mob outside yelling insults at him.If someone tried to enter his tent at that time the results would be bad.Yes you are justified to defend yourself and your property.The fact people were so easily led to form a hanging squad says more about the quality of people who did so than about me supporting someone who is justified to defend themself.I wasnt the one in the roving waterboard squad so dont blame me for saying what is obvious.You either believe you have a right to defend yourself and your property or you dont.I cant say at what point this happens for everyone else.Neither can you.You have to look at the situation in question.Christopher felt threatened.No one ever said if his property was damaged or if he was compensated for said damage either.The appropriate course of action is to make him whole in body and mind whatever that entails.You cant blame me for their failure to do so because I wasn't there.....so has anyone taken the steps to see if any damage was done or what?I would like to hear from the person in question if he suffered a loss when he was threatened and his bags were "rummaged".Do you know if his property was damaged in the process?
What you say above is far more level headed and I appreciate you saying it, but I didn't mistake what you said. You said "Im just glad christopher didnt have to blow someones head off to protect his property,which he would be fully justified in dong" (sic).
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I AM JUSTIFIED IN DONG
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20958.msg324694#msg324694
If allegation is false, you may clear your name by meeting me at bingo hall to be photgraphed and interviewd 12pm sunday.
Yours,
Dave Ridley
Fuck that.. !
This is some low shit.. wrongly accuse and then give conditions on how the wrongly accused can clear their name. That's fucked up- all sorts of weak power plays mixed up in that approach. Sounds far less an opportunity to clear one's name than it is an ultimatum.
If the guy does turn out to be a fed, maybe there's more to the story, then of course I'm totally wrong- even though I disagree with how the outing was handled. I'm really surprised by all this given how the attendees are hardcore "liberty minded" people..
This whole scenario lends credence to my theory of how any organization created by man will be corrupted within 10 years of its founding. The FSP is officially corrupt.
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Dave Ridley is not the FSP. He's not on the Board of Directors and has no say in official policy.
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I guess I don't see the problem with Dave offering the guy a chance to tell his side of the story. I would argue that because a few people treated this guy wrongly (imho) that it doesn't cast the same light on the entire organization. Remember, individuals. I never even met the friggin guy.
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Dave Ridley is not the FSP. He's not on the Board of Directors and has no say in official policy.
Yes yes, that little side step might work on the yokels but ain't so good on an informed like minded community. That is to say, I'm not buying that. While the FSP has little in the way of an org chart, Dave Ridley would sit some where at the top if one were to exist. Like a VP of Public Affairs and Corporate Communications.
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I would argue that because a few people treated this guy wrongly (imho) that it doesn't cast the same light on the entire organization.
I disagree. It only takes eviedence of a few worms for me to not bite into the apple. That is because I know those worms have soured the entire apple.
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What if rummage meant the person unzipped his tent to see if someone was there.
Burglary
not a burglary, but maybe a trespass
The person was obviously looking for someone to rape.
"A person is guilty of burglary if he enters a building or occupied structure, or separately secured or occupied section thereof, with purpose to commit a crime therein, unless the premises are at the time open to the public or the actor is licensed or privileged to enter."
Does a tent count as a structure?
On time I was assigned the same hotel room and when I got to the room I found a suitcase in the room. I unzipped the suitcase. I couldn't figure out if it was something left in the room by the previous occupant or some new strange service the hotel was providing. Sure enough there was stuff in the suitcase and it looked like it belonged to an individual. Just as I got the lid up a guy walks in the room and sort of exclaims in surprise. I show him my room key and explain what was going on in my head. We part amicably and go and I go and get a new room FOR FREE! YEAH BABY!
I guess these are my questions: Am I a burglar for trying to figure out what was going on?
I don't think that or the porcfest incident was burglary, or even trespassing, but I do think you were wrong to unzip the suitcase. What were you hoping to accomplish?
If this guy had a bad day, would he be justified in having blown my head off?
If he thought you posed some kind of threat.
I once had an apartment in a really bad hood, and wanted to get out of the lease, but the landlord wouldn't let me, so I continued to pay rent. I cleared most of my stuff out of the apartment and left for about a month. I came back late one night and unlocked the door. When I turned on the light I realized the apartment had been rented out to someone else, and they were using some of the things l had left behind, like the TV stand. As soon as I saw that, I turned off the lights, shut and locked the door, then left. I didn't feel the need to start investigating the new renter, as this was not their fault. I felt lucky I didn't get shot just for opening the door. Whoever was living there ran up my phone bill calling a psychic hotline, but I am pretty sure I got out of paying for that.
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the FSP has little in the way of an org chart, Dave Ridley would sit some where at the top if one were to exist.
Dude, there's a published org chart. Dave's not on it.
There were people at PF who are on the org chart.
http://www.freestateproject.org/about/organization.php#organizers
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Whoever was living there ran up my phone bill calling a psychic hotline, but I am pretty sure I got out of paying for that.
You don't know?
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Jon Maltz - Info Technology Manager, Webmaster
*Sigh*
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the FSP has little in the way of an org chart, Dave Ridley would sit some where at the top if one were to exist.
Dude, there's a published org chart. Dave's not on it.
There were people at PF who are on the org chart.
http://www.freestateproject.org/about/organization.php#organizers
Eh, looks like a chart to throw off reporters. I'd bet most of the these people are clean and non trouble makers. Except maybe this Jon Maltz going by Shaw's reaction. The face of the FSP is Ian, Mark and Ridley. I'm not saying they are the official face but that is whom people are going to be introduced to the FSP by.
This is all beside the point. FSP has freaks in it that have corrupted the direction it is going. It really was only a matter of time. No fault of the FSP, that is just the nature of organizations. The more people joining the org the larger the corruption will become. At some point it will be going in the exact opposite direction from it's original purpose.
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the FSP has little in the way of an org chart, Dave Ridley would sit some where at the top if one were to exist.
Dude, there's a published org chart. Dave's not on it.
There were people at PF who are on the org chart.
http://www.freestateproject.org/about/organization.php#organizers
Eh, looks like a chart to throw off reporters. I'd bet most of the these people are clean and non trouble makers. Except maybe this Jon Maltz going by Shaw's reaction. The face of the FSP is Ian, Mark and Ridley. I'm not saying they are the official face but that is whom people are going to be introduced to the FSP by.
This is all beside the point. FSP has freaks in it that have corrupted the direction it is going. It really was only a matter of time. No fault of the FSP, that is just the nature of organizations. The more people joining the org the larger the corruption will become. At some point it will be going in the exact opposite direction from it's original purpose.
Naw, Maltz is just an asshole.
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Whoever was living there ran up my phone bill calling a psychic hotline, but I am pretty sure I got out of paying for that.
You don't know?
I do, but I had to think about it, and ask my wife. I didn't pay it. My wife said she had forgot about the psychic hotline bill until I mentioned it. The phone was in her name, so she had to deal with the phone company.
It was 13 years ago. I was in the army at the time and had just returned from being AWOL. I was doing the alcoholic relapse thing. I was a couple months away from having my first kid. The psychic hotline bill was the least of my worries at the time. It was some comic relief, actually.
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Call the psychic, they'll know.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3401.msg37323#msg37323
According to Facebook, " Allison Gibbs Ⓥ Urgent! @adammueller and @PeteEyre have been arrested for videotaping to get rich paul bailed out!"
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Jon Maltz - Info Technology Manager, Webmaster
*Sigh*
I was relieved when he didn't even attempt to buy anything from our food stand.
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Someone just built a house down the street from me.I dont know who owns it so Im going to break the door down and go through the cupboards and wardrobes in the house untill I find out who it belongs to.If I find a badge or id that shows they work for an organisation I disagree with Im going to track them down and shove a camera in their face and ask them to justify their existence in my street.They had better belong to my race or follow my religion or I will force them to leave and all my neighbours will drive past the house at speed honking their horns and yelling out the window.I might even spray paint the road outside the house warning everyone to not talk to the owners.
Fuck groupthink and your borg collective that thinks an individual is wrong because they are not part of your little collectivist gang bang where everyone holds hands and sings about rainbows and unicorns.
In more simpler terms for the retarded busybodies touch my shit and you will regret it 8)
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Sorry about the rant but you get the point....
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Sorry about the rant but you get the point....
You sound like a violent individual, someone who would fly off the handle fairly easily, I vote you as the fed.
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Sorry about the rant but you get the point....
You sound like a violent individual, someone who would fly off the handle fairly easily, I vote you as the fed.
Well if he were a fed, he'd be fairly ineffective in AU.
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Sorry about the rant but you get the point....
You sound like a violent individual, someone who would fly off the handle fairly easily, I vote you as the fed.
Well if he were a fed, he'd be fairly ineffective in AU.
lol I thought that was obvious.
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I'm the other fed working out of Norway.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=33148.0 (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=33148.0)
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
If I recall correctly, you were too busy drunkenly arguing with David Krouse that children should be available for sale ...
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http://freekeene.com/2010/07/01/capuzzo-rich-paul-adam-mueller-pete-eyre-all-jailed-in-greenfield-ma/#comments
comment 18
There was an update from Jason Talley on Facebook….
Adam is charged with resisting arrest & wiretapping.
Pete has five charges including vin removal, possession of a gun without a fid card, wiretapping (felony) and two unknown charges.
EDIT:
Via Antigone Darling: “No bail! Personal recognizance for Adam M. Mueller ? !!!!!!”
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
If I recall correctly, you were too busy drunkenly arguing with David Krouse that children should be available for sale ...
which is a heckuva lot better than rummaging thru people's tents and playing 'where's the fed'
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http://freekeene.com/2010/07/01/capuzzo-rich-paul-adam-mueller-pete-eyre-all-jailed-in-greenfield-ma/#comments
comment 18
There was an update from Jason Talley on Facebook….
Adam is charged with resisting arrest & wiretapping.
Pete has five charges including vin removal, possession of a gun without a fid card, wiretapping (felony) and two unknown charges.
EDIT:
Via Antigone Darling: “No bail! Personal recognizance for Adam M. Mueller ? !!!!!!”
I don't know why people think they're kidding with the whole bullshit gun law thing. This is why I keep them locked up and only stop for gas or a piss in states that don't recognize the 2A. I am protected under Federal "right to travel" laws as long as I do something that assists that unimpeded travel through the state. If for example I stop for a sandwich and get pulled over, I could be charged under state law for firearm possession without a license.
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I'm the other fed working out of Norway.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=33148.0 (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=33148.0)
Maybe we are al quaida agents....
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
If I recall correctly, you were too busy drunkenly arguing with David Krouse that children should be available for sale ...
For sale as labor, or as in purchasing a newborn from a woman who hasn't the resources/desire to be a mother?
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Is it possible to codify the difference w/o stomping all over reasonable parental discretion?
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
If I recall correctly, you were too busy drunkenly arguing with David Krouse that children should be available for sale ...
For sale as labor, or as in purchasing a newborn from a woman who hasn't the resources/desire to be a mother?
"for pleasure"
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
If I recall correctly, you were too busy drunkenly arguing with David Krouse that children should be available for sale ...
For sale as labor, or as in purchasing a newborn from a woman who hasn't the resources/desire to be a mother?
"for pleasure"
I would assume that a guardian would be responsible for the well being of a child to a certain point (I don't know 14?) and would have to stand up for the results once the responsibilities were done. So if one "rented" out a child one was responsible for, the child could receive restitution as a adult. Still sounds fucked up. Any real philosopher dealt with what to do with evil guardians in a libertarian society? This is a tough one for me, I dislike abusive parents and I hate child services as well.
In Cuba Young prostitutes would support their starving families because this was the only legal trade the commies let happen for a while.* I know its not so black and white, but it is sad and I think important to discuss.
* P.J. O'Rourke's book Eat The Rich.
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
Same here... I spent alot of time just hanging out and not really attending "official events" like the Soap Box stuff, but all this drama was completely off my radar until I heard about it on the show a day or two after PorcFest. Probably for the best too.... it would have soured the experience for me, most likely.
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
Same here... I spent alot of time just hanging out and not really attending "official events" like the Soap Box stuff, but all this drama was completely off my radar until I heard about it on the show a day or two after PorcFest. Probably for the best too.... it would have soured the experience for me, most likely.
soap box turned out to be pretty fucking hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
Same here... I spent alot of time just hanging out and not really attending "official events" like the Soap Box stuff, but all this drama was completely off my radar until I heard about it on the show a day or two after PorcFest. Probably for the best too.... it would have soured the experience for me, most likely.
soap box turned out to be pretty fucking hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll bet! I can tell just from reading stuff on Facebook that I missed out on alot of good times.... but, I had other good times going on, so I don't feel like I really missed out at all. I made damn sure I got to Buzz's Big Gay Dance Party for the last hour or so, and that whole scene had me laughing and happy for the rest of the day! Oh, and being one of the signers for the Shire Society founding document was way cool too.... speaking of which, has a PDF of the signed document been posted anywhere yet? I want to download it and print off a copy to frame and hang up in my living room. :-D
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
If I recall correctly, you were too busy drunkenly arguing with David Krouse that children should be available for sale ...
For sale as labor, or as in purchasing a newborn from a woman who hasn't the resources/desire to be a mother?
"for pleasure"
I hope you don't think that was the most offensive thing I said.
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Man, I was at PF, and I don't think I saw any of this shit, or met any of these people.
If I recall correctly, you were too busy drunkenly arguing with David Krouse that children should be available for sale ...
For sale as labor, or as in purchasing a newborn from a woman who hasn't the resources/desire to be a mother?
"for pleasure"
I hope you don't think that was the most offensive thing I said.
Did I say I found it offensive?
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Did I say I found it offensive?
Did you find it comforting?
Sorens is trying to tell people that the state has a right to exist here (http://pileusblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/what-do-parents-owe-their-children/), if only to protect the children.
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http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=21115.msg245913#msg245913
Jason Sorens:
P.S. On the list of legislative victories, I forgot homeschooling deregulation! Still a ways to go, but definitely an improvement in freedom that's directly attributable to the FSP.
HSLDA has changed NH from a "orange" state to a "red" state. Ever since the "deregulation", the "legislative climate has been persistently hostile to homeschoolers". It's called a backlash.
http://www.hslda.org/hs/state/nh/201005280.asp
May 28, 2010
Hostile Legislative Climate Earns New Hampshire “Red” Status
Home School Legal Defense Association’s online State Laws Map rates each state based on the level of restriction of its homeschool law. HSLDA created this map to provide homeschoolers who were moving with a quick and easy way to identify what states were friendlier towards homeschoolers. States have been ranked on the basis of required notification, testing or approval (only two states, Rhode Island—technically—and Massachusetts are “approval” states).
Currently only six states have “earned” the distinction of being considered “red” states. These are Vermont, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York and North Dakota. HSLDA will be adding New Hampshire to this list not because its law is inherently unfriendly, but because its legislative climate has been persistently hostile to homeschoolers for the last four years.
Although the trend nationally in homeschooling regulation has been toward reducing regulation, since 2006 serious attempts have been made by a determined group of legislators to dramatically increase the level of regulation on New Hampshire homeschoolers. As a result, New Hampshire homeschoolers have fought intense legislative battles to defend their freedom from excessive government regulation over the past several years. The Department of Education in New Hampshire has also demonstrated its antipathy to the current status of homeschooling in the state by its actions. The Department recently attempted to circumvent the Home Education Advisory Council by proposing a set of rules that would have imposed new restrictions, some contrary to the law. To the great credit of New Hampshire State Board of Education, this process was handled in a way to minimize the negative impact on homeschoolers with only minimal changes to the rules being made as required by changes in the home schoollaw in recent years.
Many homeschoolers use our State Laws Map when thinking about moving. We intend to keep this map updated and trust that it will be a useful tool for our members who are thinking about moving within the United States.
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The HSLDA rating is pretty stupid -- they're not rating it based on the actual laws in the state, but rather based on the fact that we had to fight to get a bunch of bad bills killed. Well, hello, we've been doing that forever, it's just that HSLDA is now getting all the bad news direct from the organizations that are coming up to oppose those bills.
By this token the NRA should call NH a danger zone because some jackball put up a bill restricting firearms freedom. Doesn't matter that it died by a landslide.
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The HSLDA rating is pretty stupid -- they're not rating it based on the actual laws in the state, but rather based on the fact that we had to fight to get a bunch of bad bills killed. Well, hello, we've been doing that forever, it's just that HSLDA is now getting all the bad news direct from the organizations that are coming up to oppose those bills.
I think it realistically means that it will eventually pass, since the legislature continues to get more socialist.
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The HSLDA rating is pretty stupid -- they're not rating it based on the actual laws in the state, but rather based on the fact that we had to fight to get a bunch of bad bills killed.
The HSLDA ratings are pretty good/accurate.
Well, hello, we've been doing that forever
Not really. It didn't start until "Dawn's bill" brought the homeschool issue to the attention of the bureaucrats.
I wouldn't be surprised if all the open carry protests do the same thing to gun laws in NH. Most people in NH don't realize open carry is legal. The open carry events just remind some people that "there should be a law".
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I wouldn't be surprised if all the open carry protests do the same thing to gun laws in NH. Most people in NH don't realize open carry is legal. The open carry events just remind some people that "there should be a law".
In Arizona, Open Carry does no such thing. Everyone is used to it, and no one cares. The cops will not be called, and if they are, they will not come, because the caller will be reminded that it is legal, and no crime is being committed. The most you'll ever get from a cop is a question about what sort of gun you have, which is out of curiosity and enthusiasm for firearms. The same will come from the serves and clerks with whom you deal, again, if they say anything at all. I have been sitting in a restaurant with a pistol on my hip when cops enter, and they took notice, and moved on, not saying a word. When New Hampshire-ites are similarly accustomed to the presence of completely legal openly carried firearms, a similar status quo will prevail.
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The OC litter pickups are pretty damn good.
The OC smoking dope at 4:20, of course, is not.
Also, I suspect the legislature is going to be more libertarian, not more socialist, going forward. That, after all, is the mission of the NHLA, RLC-NH, and of the Freedom Democrats.
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Not sure what this drama is about.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20999.0
Visited Grafton Last night and I feel like I need to vent...
Sometimes I chafe at the comments that my self or my husband can not be appreciated because I'm not sure, why.. we take a different independent path and have to find our own ways to solve a problem. Our activism is not your activism? Or what ever we do has to be run down?
Do I care? yes, disappointed. Tried to be friendly... and have been honest and independent in my dealings. So what is the problem? Too much small town intolerance like seventh graders that gossip and try to appoint themselves as arbiters of what is. Watch out for this, to any free thinking individuals that might come to Grafton. There is a seventh grade here that can be socially confining especially if you come to live in an outback place like Grafton.
Too ironic.
I do not see any reason Lloyd not be social. I just am trying to handle frustration about what appears to be human/ group social behavior which I believe finds occasional expression by a surprising number of individuals despite their individualistic freedom philosophies. The philosophies such as the NAP I think most of us embrace is where I believe for me is what God resides. We are just human so I do not wish to make any one have to feel they have to be careful, fake or diplomatic. I just hate to run down the ways of individuals or witness others running down others; exception is the defense of others as needed when one notes a rip off of property or others being hurt. Yes I do find myself listening or being part of gossip but I am hating it more. The individual being gossiped about will usually have to overcome an unfair disadvantage if in a future situation of needing cooperation or understanding. This is vague and a poorly defined situation but I think one knows this dynamic is going on when it happens but will avoid comments for fear of offending, being seen as paranoid or worse a cry baby.
I trust you all for feeling comfortable to express yourself, just an observation that I need to test for myself to see if I am any where in reality.
I truly appreciate your hospitality and I want to continue to visit, if it is not too much.
Yes, I have referred myself to Porc Therapy and need to proofread. I feared if I had proofread my original comment, I would have lost the nerve to post it which would have been better.
Thanks for all of your input, I am stirring up some shit here.
Just got frustrated that article works like Bill's who does well researched articles on Lew Rockwell is not getting any promotion by this Liberty radio without me begging and then still have to take shit about it over a period of time. I am frustrated that between all the social stuff the liberty radio powers now do not appear to check out the Lewrockwell site and note very recent articles by Stephanie Murphy and Bill Walker.
I respect the stance of the non political ones and understand this conclusion. Note the neo con hijacking of Grafton libertarian political efforts addressing issues from out of town (WAR). Disgust at seeing Libertarians holding Mc Cain Palin signs etc. just to get a "winning" position. Your are right to be against politics in this instance but how would voting for local liberty people be wrong as a self defense to escalating local infringements? Why not vote NO to the bonds for periodic increases in property taxes which serve plantation style schools?
Kat your right that I am getting cummulatively fed up about getting shit for having different view points. SQUABBLE, Hell Russsel/ Rich and others gives me shit (is this pressure to conform?) about liking music such as Shuberts, Ave Maria. Or being made out to be drunk (female) drinking while all the guys are out drinking me 10-1.
I get boisterous and rebellious but nothing here to keep me from visiting and giving a little back.
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I have no clue what they were trying to say.
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Must be fallout over the idiocy behind the campfire fascism that occurred several weeks ago. Imagine liberty lovers not liking it when another supposed liberty lover comes down on them with the full force of the state for what they do on their own property...of course this is primarily based on the context of who's complaining.
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I had no idea WTF the thread was about till I saw Kat's post (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20999.msg324972#msg324972):
My guess was she was taking shit about doing politics from the anarchists.
That's a misnomer of course since I know at least 2 anarchists that are running for State Rep in Grafton, I assume she means "from the outside-the-system folks"
Yep, that's the intolerance of the outside-the-system folks, the ones who chase off the people who should be their best allies.
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I had no idea WTF the thread was about till I saw Kat's post (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20999.msg324972#msg324972):
My guess was she was taking shit about doing politics from the anarchists.
That's a misnomer of course since I know at least 2 anarchists that are running for State Rep in Grafton, I assume she means "from the outside-the-system folks"
Yep, that's the intolerance of the outside-the-system folks, the ones who chase off the people who should be their best allies.
...or response to fascists pretending to be liberty lovers...
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http://www.livefreeandcomply.org/2010/07/04/local-blogger-punished-with-4-million-assessment/
Sounds like a lovely place:
This is not the first occurrence of this problem. Selectman Willie Farnum, prior to a public meeting, openly described his policy for dealing with the few hundred privacy minded families who did not give their permission for the tax assessor to enter their homes during last year’s re-assessment: evaluate the interior of their homes at the highest level possible (assume the interior of an old Tamworth farm house is encrusted with granite countertops and $800 faucets, for example), and residents will come to the Selectmen begging to have the assessor in their home when they see their tax bill. This policy could account for the first million dollars of my assessment, but John Roberts’ motion, seconded by Farnum, to increase my assessment to four million dollars is clearly a perpetuation of their objection to folks speaking out against them that started with former Selectman Tom Abugelis’ public flogging for a letter-to-the-editor criticizing the mentality of town government. I can’t imagine the Selectmen will fess up to their assessment being a punitive measure, but a four million dollar price tag on an unfinished single-family home and a 36′x36′ barn speaks for itself.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21010.msg324559
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Mr. Barnes invited myself and a few others to a secret meeting a few months ago. At the meeting it was disclosed that we were invited to join this group to take over the government through non violent coup. To join we had to be fingerprinted. I declined.
About this Ridley Report:
The young man no matter what his associations are should not be mistreated, shame if what he says is true.
Mr Barnes if you want people to not fear, do not invite them to secret meetings to seek their fingerprints. :o
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Oooook then.
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Needs a link on this thread. Big Drama.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3502
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Needs a link on this thread. Big Drama.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3502
Already been discussed on another thread.
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Needs a link on this thread. Big Drama.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3502
Already been discussed on another thread.
Yeah, but it should have a link here. It's good drama.
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I got drunk last nite & tried to touch Ian's boobs but he was 2 quick for me & I eventually gave up.
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I got drunk last nite & tried to touch Ian's boobs but he was 2 quick for me & I eventually gave up.
FAIL haha
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I got drunk last nite & tried to touch Ian's boobs but he was 2 quick for me & I eventually gave up.
FAIL haha
When are you coming to Keene again ;)
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I got drunk last nite & tried to touch Ian's boobs but he was 2 quick for me & I eventually gave up.
Ian's flat, no boobage.
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I better keep away from Keith when he's drizunk.
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Ian arrested:
http://nh.porcupine411.com/category/audio-messages/
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Ians one night off a week, and he wants to spend it in jail? :D
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Ian arrested:
http://nh.porcupine411.com/category/audio-messages/
If I still listened to the show, I'd be pissed about this.
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Digest please. I'm not wading through all that shit.
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Digest please. I'm not wading through all that shit.
He stood in front of a police car and then sat on the hood when it moved toward him. At that point, the officer got out and arrested him.
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Ians one night off a week, and he wants to spend it in jail? :D
It's the only vacation he gets.
Free food, can't just leave. Much like a cruise.
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Digest please. I'm not wading through all that shit.
He stood in front of a police car and then sat on the hood when it moved toward him. At that point, the officer got out and arrested him.
Ohh...bad move! There are places that will get you an "obstructing justice" charge (if the car had a detainee in it.) Dude needs to pick his battles more carefully, IMO.
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Dude needs to pick his battles more carefully, IMO.
If you're going to go to jail for freedom, this is not such a bad choice of battle. Unless he refuses to process or some such, I don't see the jail term being more than a few days, max. It's not like he's going up the river for a decade.
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Dude needs to pick his battles more carefully, IMO.
If you're going to go to jail for freedom, this is not such a bad choice of battle. Unless he refuses to process or some such, I don't see the jail term being more than a few days, max. It's not like he's going up the river for a decade.
I'm thinking of possibly being charged with a felony.
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I'm pretty sure there was someone in the car who was already being arrested. On some of the messages they mention someone being arrested for having an open container in the square. Then they say they're going to box the car in, and shortly after that Ian got arrested for blocking the car's way.
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Drama alert: Ian & Julia have broken up
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4141/singler.jpg)
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I had silently noted Julia's recent absence. I'm not sure there's any "drama" there, though, and to wish for it would be somewhat unsavory. Then again, some people look for drama where they can find it--especially when it involves a new-found adversary.
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... wish for it
LOA?
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... wish for it
LOA?
I'm far from a LOA type. Perhaps I could have said "revel in it?"
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Nah.. minor excursion by me to take a cheap jab at the LOA stuff (meaning that surely Ian didn't LOA the breakup).
Breakups are no fun a'tall, but Ian probably won't skip a beat in getting another gal whenever he starts looking for one.
..wonder who the rebound gal will be?
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Nah.. minor excursion by me to take a cheap jab at the LOA stuff (meaning that surely Ian didn't LOA the breakup).
Breakups are no fun a'tall, but Ian probably won't skip a beat in getting another gal whenever he starts looking for one.
..wonder who the rebound gal will be?
I'm sure there's a boatload of groupies who will gladly line up.
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Are they still living together?
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Are they still living together?
The groupies?
FSP should advertise that.
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Julia hasn't been around for at least 6 months now. It was brought up in the chat...
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Julia hasn't been around for at least 6 months now. It was brought up in the chat...
I'm not sure why I care--just curious, I guess--but does she still work at the same job in Keene? (I.E., did she disappear or just move out?)
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Julia hasn't been around for at least 6 months now. It was brought up in the chat...
I'm not sure why I care--just curious, I guess--but does she still work at the same job in Keene? (I.E., did she disappear or just move out?)
As far as I know, she doesn't live with Ian anymore. And she works at another Panera an hour away from the Keene.
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Julia hasn't been around for at least 6 months now. It was brought up in the chat...
I'm not sure why I care--just curious, I guess--but does she still work at the same job in Keene? (I.E., did she disappear or just move out?)
As far as I know, she doesn't live with Ian anymore. And she works at another Panera an hour away from the Keene.
I suppose if my boyfriend kept on getting arrested I'd leave him too.
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Julia hasn't been around for at least 6 months now. It was brought up in the chat...
I'm not sure why I care--just curious, I guess--but does she still work at the same job in Keene? (I.E., did she disappear or just move out?)
As far as I know, she doesn't live with Ian anymore. And she works at another Panera an hour away from the Keene.
I suppose if my boyfriend kept on getting arrested I'd leave him too.
I'm sure he'll find another girl who loves his braveness.
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lol this is free state drama?
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lol this is free state drama?
All free-state-drama has been rather mild since the first large group of movers have gotten their shit together.
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its just a slow period. The psychos who were the source of a lot of drama has been quiet lately.
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lol this is free state drama?
All free-state-drama has been rather mild since the first large group of movers have gotten their shit together.
Thats what I thought, until we reached the city of Hue.
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Hue and Cry
Apparently Hika (lady who got nipple-painted, and arrested, in the park) is arrested. Using a bullhorn, violating parole, yadda.
http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2010/07/2010-07-27_10-50-52.mp3
It's hilarious to hear the breathless calls to P411 by Keeniacs, "She was arrested for free speech! The first amendment means nothing!!"
http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2010/07/2010-07-27_10-49-57.mp3
LOLcats, mob of freaks bullhorning city hall, manage to taunt cops into making an arrest or two. Film at 11. I'm sure FTL will discuss ad nauseam tonight, as if this was news. Hint: nobody in NH has any clue what's going on in Keene, except maybe there are naked hippies in the park.
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Hue and Cry
Apparently Hika (lady who got nipple-painted, and arrested, in the park) is arrested. Using a bullhorn, violating parole, yadda.
http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2010/07/2010-07-27_10-50-52.mp3
It's hilarious to hear the breathless calls to P411 by Keeniacs, "She was arrested for free speech! The first amendment means nothing!!"
http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2010/07/2010-07-27_10-49-57.mp3
LOLcats, mob of freaks bullhorning city hall, manage to taunt cops into making an arrest or two. Film at 11. I'm sure FTL will discuss ad nauseam tonight, as if this was news. Hint: nobody in NH has any clue what's going on in Keene, except maybe there are naked hippies in the park.
They need Yosemitebear in Keene.
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I mean, it sucks people are getting arrested... but there should be no surprise here.
"Dog bites man" is hardly newsworthy
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One day Denis will be arrested for possession and it will be in the papers because he is a Free Stater. Will he call himself a Freak Stater then?
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Hue and Cry
Apparently Hika (lady who got nipple-painted, and arrested, in the park) is arrested. Using a bullhorn, violating parole, yadda.
http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2010/07/2010-07-27_10-50-52.mp3
It's hilarious to hear the breathless calls to P411 by Keeniacs, "She was arrested for free speech! The first amendment means nothing!!"
http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2010/07/2010-07-27_10-49-57.mp3
LOLcats, mob of freaks bullhorning city hall, manage to taunt cops into making an arrest or two. Film at 11. I'm sure FTL will discuss ad nauseam tonight, as if this was news. Hint: nobody in NH has any clue what's going on in Keene, except maybe there are naked hippies in the park.
Wait! No one knows? But I thought they were poisoning the well! Which is it?
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Scabies at Burning Porcupine this year.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18446.msg325819#msg325819
Someone came who had scabies, so anyone who attended might be infected.
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One day Denis will be arrested for possession and it will be in the papers because he is a Free Stater. Will he call himself a Freak Stater then?
I would laugh so hard if this ever happened, it would serve Dennis right.
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Scabies at Burning Porcupine this year.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18446.msg325819#msg325819
Someone came who had scabies, so anyone who attended might be infected.
What the hell are scabies? A STD?
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Scabies at Burning Porcupine this year.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18446.msg325819#msg325819
Someone came who had scabies, so anyone who attended might be infected.
What the hell are scabies? A STD?
Evil mite things that live, breed, shit, and run around under your skin.
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One day Denis will be arrested for possession and it will be in the papers because he is a Free Stater. Will he call himself a Freak Stater then?
I would laugh so hard if this ever happened, it would serve Dennis right.
If that ever happened, I would treat it as a legal problem, to be fought with the best legal help I could get.
I would not pretend I was bringing about The Fall of the State by Civil Disobedience. :roll:
"This is no social crisis; it's just another tricky day for you"
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Scabies at Burning Porcupine this year.
Someone came who had scabies, so anyone who attended might be infected.
Hilarious.
Any chance they'll "out" Typhoid Mary ?
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Scabies at Burning Porcupine this year.
Someone came who had scabies, so anyone who attended might be infected.
Hilarious.
Any chance they'll "out" Typhoid Mary ?
Lady witha baby.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.msg325847#msg325847
Russell:
We had to kick Ethan out of our place on Monday. Even after I asked him to change his behavior, he continued to act inappropriately towards children. So we had to send him packing monday night. I said a couple words to him. John asked him specific questions about actions and his use of the phrase "cuddling" in regards to a child. Kat let her softball bat do the talking.
Feel free to ask any of us questions. Ethan can also post responses and explanations here. This issue had to go to the entire community because he has not changed yet.
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So, this Ethan guy is a bit of a pedophile? The FSP definitely doesn't need that PR.
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Oh lawddd.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.msg325847#msg325847
Russell:
We had to kick Ethan out of our place on Monday. Even after I asked him to change his behavior, he continued to act inappropriately towards children. So we had to send him packing monday night. I said a couple words to him. John asked him specific questions about actions and his use of the phrase "cuddling" in regards to a child. Kat let her softball bat do the talking.
Feel free to ask any of us questions. Ethan can also post responses and explanations here. This issue had to go to the entire community because he has not changed yet.
That's a pretty calm and patient group of peole, I would of had my shotgun out if someone was going round and talking to children about cuddling. Perhaps a few shots from a taser to help him adjust his behavior. What a sicko.
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I really don't know what to think, not having been there, but the first thing that comes into my mind is how disincentivized practically anyone is to show any kind of real affection (and in this context, I'm talking genuine asexual) toward anyone who is not a potential "legitimate" sex partner.
Don't get me wrong, anyone could turn out to be a creep, but I'm wondering how many times my grandfather or a family friend would have been accused of being a pedophile in today's hysterical environment. Once again, this is not to say that the concerns aren't warranted, but from what I read, I just don't see that there's anything to really go by.
If I were ready to imply someone should be a pariah, I'd be inclined to have a really good talking with the kids, and possibly with someone who actually knows something about creepy behavior.
*For what it's worth, I don't have kids, nor am I in a position to fully understand parenthood, or parent's feelings.
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but I'm wondering how many times my grandfather or a family friend would have been accused of being a pedophile in today's hysterical environment.
I don't think people realize how much more affectionate children are to begin with. I used to watch a neighbors kid sometimes, and used to freak out a bit when she would initiate normal 6 year old kind of "loving cuddly touchyness". And hey, what kid can resist a big squishy fat guy? I'd always have to separate myself from the situation a bit, for fear of being walked in on and it looking "weird".
You know what I mean? Like, it would be OK if the parents were around...but not when you're alone with the kid? I dunno, I guess it's been beaten into my and everyone elses brain that you can't touch children at all or something. No wonder people don't want to babysit anymore.
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but I'm wondering how many times my grandfather or a family friend would have been accused of being a pedophile in today's hysterical environment.
I don't think people realize how much more affectionate children are to begin with. I used to watch a neighbors kid sometimes, and used to freak out a bit when she would initiate normal 6 year old kind of "loving cuddly touchyness". And hey, what kid can resist a big squishy fat guy? I'd always have to separate myself from the situation a bit, for fear of being walked in on and it looking "weird".
You know what I mean? Like, it would be OK if the parents were around...but not when you're alone with the kid? I dunno, I guess it's been beaten into my and everyone elses brain that you can't touch children at all or something. No wonder people don't want to babysit anymore.
It's not affection from kids - I think everybody understands nothing is amiss when a kid runs up and gives enthusiastic hugs, hangs on a family friend or sitter, or hops in a lap at table or desk. That's all completely normal, at least to anyone who has kids or is around them on a regular basis.
It's when an adult goes around asking for that type of attention that it raises red flags. Especially if it's not a family member or close friend. My oldest son is swarmed by 5-10 year olds every time we go to the neighborhood pool. Nobody thinks anything of it, because they know him, and one of the girls swarming him is his little sister. If he walked into a pool and offered to toss kids, parents would be smart to be a bit suspicious.
If the behavior of the fellow in this latest bit of FSDrama was making both kids and parents uncomfortable, then I am very glad they showed him the door. Sure, it might just be a case of a socially inept individual with boundary issues... but they'd already talked with him, and didn't think that was the case.
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One little thing that bugged me though... what's with the "Another Fed outed" as a response? That's a joke right? Please tell me that any & all creeps, along with anybody caught in unacceptable behavior are not seriously being labeled "Feds"?
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One little thing that bugged me though... what's with the "Another Fed outed" as a response? That's a joke right? Please tell me that any & all creeps, along with anybody caught in unacceptable behavior are not seriously being labeled "Feds"?
I read that as a reference to a different person, the "brigitte" mentioned, though even that may not have been serious.
Frankly the situation Kat described would not bother me in someone I trusted to let into my house anyway. But I think that's where the boundary issues are in this case, these folks just don't vet their associates at all, then when one gets a little "weird" they're swinging baseball bats.
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One little thing that bugged me though... what's with the "Another Fed outed" as a response? That's a joke right? Please tell me that any & all creeps, along with anybody caught in unacceptable behavior are not seriously being labeled "Feds"?
They are hinting that there has been other issues with him. I think the Fed moniker is just a joke, though.
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So, this Ethan guy is a bit of a pedophile? The FSP definitely doesn't need that PR.
Ethan is not involved with the FSP in any way. He is not a participant, a friend or anything. He doesn't agree with the statement of intent and is not about the FSP. He doesn't even morally think he is able to join the FSP.
He is a self-proclaimed anarchist. I have no idea if he is a pedophile but even if that was true, I highly doubt it would hurt the overall view of anarchists in the minds of the general population. And anyway, nothing in that thread of now mentions anything at all that is 100% sexual. Anarchists are only a step above terrorists. Anyone that actually calls themselves an anarchist, holds signs calling cops thugs and so on likely has many public relations issues.
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When it comes to issues of this nature, I'm sure its better to be safe than sorry.
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When it comes to issues of this nature, I'm sure its better to be safe than sorry.
Yeah. Ethan should have stabbed Kat. You can't take chances when someone is coming at you swinging a bat.
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But I think that's where the boundary issues are in this case, these folks just don't vet their associates at all, then when one gets a little "weird" they're swinging baseball bats.
Yeah, well, that's just the nature of "private protection services", also affectionately known as "vigilante mobs"
At least it's not the tyranny and violence of the state -- it's the much more acceptable violence of Peaceful People!
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Anarchists are only a step above terrorists.
Wait, what?
That's likely how 10s of millions of Americans feel. Certainly most anarchists know that the very use of the term anarchy makes them look poorly in the eyes of most. It's interesting that some people still identify with the term. Things that make you go hmm.
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Certainly most anarchists know that the very use of the term anarchy makes then look poorly in the eyes of most. It's interesting that some people still identify with the term. Things that make you go hmm.
It constantly causes me ambivalence.
An - not; used to make words that have a sense opposite to the word (or stem) to which the prefix is attached. Used with stems that begin with vowels and "h".
Archy - From Latin -archia from Ancient Greek ἀρχός (archos), “‘leader’”
It's really the best word, if words are meant to describe things correctly, which they are.
There is no description I like more, (Well, I refuse to give up Market Anarchist but it still has the dirty A-word in there and most people hate it but me.) but yes, it's got bad mojo attached to it.
But there's nothing better out there.
Voluntaryist - Does not describe what it is and isn't a real word.
Free Marketeer - Sounds faggy and pretentious. Also, like you should be on the damned Mickey Mouse Club.
Stateless - No way to make it into a word that is applicable to a person. "Statelessist" sounds like snake vomit.
Shire Society -ian? -ist? -arian? Sounds like fuckin' Hobbit cosplay shit.
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An - not; used to make words that have a sense opposite to the word (or stem) to which the prefix is attached. Used with stems that begin with vowels and "h".
Archy - From Latin -archia from Ancient Greek ἀρχός (archos), “‘leader’”
It's really the best word, if words are meant to describe things correctly, which they are.
There is no description I like more, (Well, I refuse to give up Market Anarchist but it still has the dirty A-word in there and most people hate it but me.) but yes, it's got bad mojo attached to it.
But there's nothing better out there.
Voluntaryist - Does not describe what it is and isn't a real word.
Free Marketeer - Sounds faggy and pretentious. Also, like you should be on the damned Mickey Mouse Club.
Stateless - No way to make it into a word that is applicable to a person. "Statelessist" sounds like snake vomit.
Shire Society -ian? -ist? -arian? Sounds like fuckin' Hobbit cosplay shit.
Agree, and...
Agorist - Encompasses tactics in addition to principle, but decent. Still somewhat made-up and indirect.
Panarchist - Also not bad; embraces the similarity between "no X" and "all X". Fun to say, too, but the obvious connection to anarchist comes with both positive and negative consequences.
Acrat - Latin-derived equivalent of "anarchist". Sounds rodenty... might as well be "egg rat".
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Acrat - Latin-derived equivalent of "anarchist". Sounds rodenty... might as well be "egg rat".
Ah, "ay-crat". I like it.
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Shire Society -ian? -ist? -arian? Sounds like fuckin' Hobbit cosplay shit.
FSP larping group?????????
:lol:
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But there's nothing better out there.
Voluntaryist - Does not describe what it is and isn't a real word.
Free Marketeer - Sounds faggy and pretentious. Also, like you should be on the damned Mickey Mouse Club.
Stateless - No way to make it into a word that is applicable to a person. "Statelessist" sounds like snake vomit.
Shire Society -ian? -ist? -arian? Sounds like fuckin' Hobbit cosplay shit.
You have good points. What I decided to do is use the closed thing I could that is generally thought of as positive by the general population. In New Hampshire. that is Live Free or Die! So if someone asks me where I stand politically, I tell them I support Live Free or Die and stuff. Of course, I'm not an anarchist and everyone may not live in an area where the general population responds positively to the term Live Free or Die so mileage may vary.
The main issue with me is not using a term that is so off putting that people shutdown and don't listen to the rest of what I say. Of the terms you used above, I think the word anarchy is the most likely to create a highly negative response.
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Of the terms you used above, I think the word anarchy is the most likely to create a highly negative response.
I understand and agree, sorta, but it's also the truth and the most accurate description. The facts always win over the sales pitch, for me.
Hence my ambivalence.
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The main issue with me is not using a term that is so off putting that people shutdown and don't listen to the rest of what I say. Of the terms you used above, I think the word anarchy is the most likely to create a highly negative response.
Well it's not exactly the first thing I say when I meet a new person. "Hi, I'm Dale, and I'm an anarchist." On the other hand, I'm not going to lie about who I am. Never has served me well to live my life dishonestly. It's always served me well to live my life honestly.
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I try and avoid the "Live Free or Die" slogan in public. It screams Republican as in "Live Free (In the USA USA USA!) or Die (fighting for the USA! (or die terrorist scum!)".
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Constantly giving up verbal ground. Idea: if you want to avoid negative reactions when you state you are an anarchist, dress nicely. And for the love of god, don't face palm the person a molotov.
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"I'm not a big fan of the folks in charge right now. Of course, I wasn't a fan of the last folks in charge either."
This tends to get a chuckle, as opposed to causing strife. I have enough strife in other areas of my life.
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I try and avoid the "Live Free or Die" slogan in public.
You don't live in New Hampshire.
Honestly, here it's very very much part of the culture. They even sing it in songs and stuff.
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if you want to avoid negative reactions when you state you are an anarchist, dress nicely.
Bingo!
That's exactly how I do it :)
http://nhcaptv.com
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"This is no social crisis; it's just another tricky day for you"
klang.
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/65/live.jpg)
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"I'm not a big fan of the folks in charge right now. Of course, I wasn't a fan of the last folks in charge either."
This tends to get a chuckle, as opposed to causing strife. I have enough strife in other areas of my life.
This is pretty much what I say too.
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how do you know it's not his personal opinion.
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Perhaps the same thing that makes the anarchist principled enough to identify with the correct term also makes him principled enough to deliberately and unabashedly use the correct term, even though some idiots insist on claiming it means something other than "people who do not agree some should rule over others," and though other idiots insist on claiming that one violent asshole calling himself an anarchist makes all anarchist violent assholes.
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(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/59/m_afd7af2a5d10c33f8a69dc85f286be2b.jpg)
/I'm taking it back
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and though other idiots insist on claiming that one violent asshole calling himself an anarchist makes all anarchist violent assholes.
The world revolves around hearsay, and trying to get someone to believe something other than the popular consensus is near impossible. It's just easier to pick a new name and start over.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.msg325961#msg325961
EthanLeeVita:
Awhile ago, there was a sunday show with Dale, Puke, and Luthor about sexual fetishes. I had downloaded it and was listening to it with Tamber and Daniel in the room. I've found that the Eastman children tend to be very mature and so I'm sure that if they were disturbed by it, they would have asked me to stop, which I would have. Eventually, John walked into the room. I knew he did not appreciate such discussions due to a past conversation he had with me regarding Porc Therapy so I turned it off for him. A month later, about two weeks ago (?), I was asked to refrain from such behavior, which I did out of respect for people's feelings on such matters, despite my disagreement. I was not accused of touching the children inappropriately, nor asked to stop (which would have been an accusation in itself). Nor did I ever touch the kids inappropriately. I do admit that I may have had conversations with them that some consider inappropriate, but that was because as an anti-ageist and in recognition of their maturity, I thought they could handle it and if they had an issue, they'd tell me. In all, I found it odd that it took a month or so to bring this request about sexual radio content to my attention.
I did not begin using the word cuddling. It was mentioned to me by Russell during a ride to Man Cave to get wood, where I was informed I would likely have two days left to leave. Because of the short ride from Grafton Gulch, not much got said, but I was confused because I had not been cuddling and was rerunning the morning's memories through my head to recall what could have led to that. What I remembered at the time was lying on the couch, with Brigitte in front of me, and Daniel walked up, so I moved my legs so he could sit. I had done the same when Brigitte walked in, but she'd chosen a chair instead. Later that morning, I had sat next to Daniel to pet Fade. I had thought Brigitte was still sitting there across from the couch, but apparently she was not at the time. It was alleged by John and Kat that I was two inches from his face, which I do not recall at all. My focus was on the cat, scratching its ears, scratching its neck under the chin etc. Also, if there was cuddling, why not say something then? I certainly would have if I'd thought something inappropriate was occurring.
I'm glad that Kat has recognized the bat was unnecessary, though I hope she feels the same about the threats she gave on behalf of Brigitte and Lou (I don't know if they said it, I only know that Kat said Brigitte would be calling the cops to get me arrested and that Lou wouldn't have a bat because he was a "crazy gun nut"). I respect private property rights and it would have been simple enough to simply talk to me instead of the added threat of direct violence by Kat and Lou, or Brigitte threatening indirect violence by calling the state to arrest me.
Another related accusation came from John about something weeks ago and is full of more misunderstandings. I had a sore back so I had Daniel walk on it (Tamber was in the room at the time and I think I asked him too, don't recall specifically, but eventually he went to bed). So we're goofing around and I fall off the couch, which apparently woke John up. There was also thunder going on outside. So when he comes downstairs he asks if there was thunder out or something that made a noise. Considering I'd heard thunder, and he suggested it himself, I said there was thunder. Then Daniel said I fell off couch, which I accepted. John took that as me trying to hide something and was proof that I was a suspicious individual. And then the morning I got kicked out, he tries to tell me that I denied falling off the couch, which I never did.
I did talk to Kevin on the way down to Keene and based on his input, despite nothing going on, I am going to try to work on being more careful about giving off impressions of things that do not exist.
If anyone else has a question or disputes a point, I welcome the conversation in an open, respectful manner.
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String the kid up for being too chummy with the shorties, but don't you dare question the bat-wielding agressor.
Both have apologized with no harm done, but the thread goes on...
Edit: damn those extra "o"s, and, to add, the only sensible post in the entire thread is from the bat-wielder's kid
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So perhaps he didn't understand how kids work, but it sure sounds like there was some serious over-reaction.
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So perhaps he didn't understand how kids work, but it sure sounds like there was some serious over-reaction.
No, he didn't understand what "no" means. He was told once, then continued to do it at a later date.
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So perhaps he didn't understand how kids work, but it sure sounds like there was some serious over-reaction.
No, he didn't understand what "no" means. He was told once, then continued to do it at a later date.
Oh. Well, then fuck 'im.
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I wonder how the kid feels about the situation?
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My son was recently at the shopping mall with his grandmother and some old dude started talking to him.My son has aspergers and doesnt understand the danger of strangers so he followed the old dude out of the shopping centre and he trapped my son in a side alley.Luckily nothing happened as the grandmother went looking and found him first.
If it had been me at the shopping center things would have turned out differently.I would use a cricket bat.
Parents dont behave rationally when their kids are threatened with any sort of danger.Especially mothers....
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My son has aspergers/
Good luck! I've got a cousin with aspergers...awkward!
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http://freekeene.com/2010/08/04/announcing-the-keene-city-council-drinking-game/
Over/Under on Thursday night arrests: 6
Over/Under on Goddard wargarrble: 0
Popcorn's already in the microwave with the timer set.
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Sam vs. Smeg:
http://qik.com/video/10224495
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Sam vs. Smeg:
http://qik.com/video/10224495
Eagerly awaiting another dumb IP argument.
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Explain what is happening there...?
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Explain what is happening there...?
None of my biddness, but Sam and Smeg used to be a couple I guess, and they worked on video projects together. They split up and Sam keeps using Smeg's work to make money with.
Smeg wanted him to delete all her shit and stop using it.
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Sam vs. Smeg:
http://qik.com/video/10224495
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3701.msg40846;topicseen#msg40846
Smeg:
I am making this message public on this forum, so that others are aware of my requests. While you may agree or disagree with me, I would rather let people publicly know that I am no longer voluntarily offering use of my work to Sam. However, I believe he plans to continue using it, even profiting off of it, without my permission, against my wishes, and without offering me any form of compensation for the extended use of said works.
Sam,
You no longer have permission to use any of my work in any form. This includes any footage of mine on your drives that has not yet been used, animations i have created, graphics i have created, and other such works. You had my permission to use them when I worked with you; however, those were not long term use, as i no longer want to have my name or work associated with you or your message.
Failure to comply with this request will result in this request, along with the proper complaint forms, being sent to YouTube as proof of violating their terms of use.
I will also be posting these requests to FreeKeene, so people are aware that I have given you a clear request not to use my work anymore.
You have spent a year getting wonderful work from me, and you chose to be unkind and ruthlessly controlling. I don't condone that behavior, and I see it coming out in your 'activism'. i would like to create some distance between your angry, interrupting, "i need to vent some aggression" (direct quote) approach to activism and your constant negativity towards other activists; and part of that includes no longer wanting MY CREATIONS to be associated with you.
i believe this is a reasonable request, as you failed to do what you had originally agreed to (write up a public letter of recommendation for my talents); which once again leads me to believe you are untrustworthy and unfit to use my work to push a message i disagree with.
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Could someone please explain this in LOA terms?
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Smeg and Ian can hook up now!
That would be perfect.
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Frankly, I was going to post something (vaguely) related to this, but never got around to it. Sunday, when Sam jumped down Dave in Montana's throat, it occurred to me he might have had a bad day. I guess he did.
Anyway, poor Dave went on one of his spiels about the Declaration of Independence, and Sam gave him both barrels about the Constitution not being a document worthy of praise, etc. The problem was, Dave wasn't even talking about the Constitution. Poor Dave couldn't get a word in edgewise, even trying to tell Sam he wasn't defending the constitution, but he did like the Bill of Rights, since Sam brought it up. I just thought Sam was unnecessarily deferential to Dave, who I think would have deserved being treated better even if he had referred to the Constitution, which he did not.
Additionally, Sam continued to conflate the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, two entirely separate documents, with entirely separate advocates in their historic period. If Sam doesn't understand the difference, I hope he gets educated on it, because it was a little embarrassing, especially in context.
Sure, Sam probably had a bad day, but I hope if he gets a chance, he'll apologize to Dave for jumping to conclusions the way he did and talking all over Dave for something he didn't even say, or imply.
With regard to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, for those who don't know, the Declaration of Independence was not necessarily intended to establish any new government. It was meant to defend the separation from the government of the time (the crown.) Maybe some of the adherents intended to establish new government, but it is not clear that any of them would support the Constitution, or (for some) even the Articles of Confederation. In fact, many had the opportunity to support the Constitution, when it was scandalously used to replace the Articles of Confederation, but chose not to. I'm sure there are good authorities on the topic. I originally learned about it in the LeFevre Commentaries (audio) and have since heard many references to it. In short, the Declaration of Independence is rightly considered one of the greatest documents in political history, and for good reason. It has little, if anything, to do with the US Constitution. I was somewhat surprised Wayne didn't step in and point out the problem with Sam's assertion, but perhaps he didn't catch it (I know he knows the difference.)
Now that I've said all that, I want to say that in the balance, Sam's been the best Sunday host, in my opinion, and that none of this diminishes my opinion of him. I just thought it was surprising at the time, and that something should be said about it. Since I haven't seen anything said, I'm saying it now. I hope things get better for Sam.
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Smeg and Ian can hook up now!
That would be perfect.
Better yet, Sam and Ian.
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Smeg and Ian can hook up now!
That would be perfect.
Better yet, Sam and Ian.
That would be hot.
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Could someone please explain this in LOA terms?
Sam sent out a message to the universe that he wants everyone to think that he's a giant fucking douchebag.
Smeg sent out a message to the universe that people shouldn't fuck each other over.
The universe responded.
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Could someone please explain this in LOA terms?
Sam sent out a message to the universe that he wants everyone to think that he's a giant fucking douchebag.
Smeg sent out a message to the universe that people shouldn't fuck each other over.
The universe responded.
But, it only responded to Sam? Or, just ironically to Smeg? Or, is this the work of some third person?
It's all so convoluted. Wait...I just saw a video about this sort of thing. Mars in retrograde and stuff. Let me find it...
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Could someone please explain this in LOA terms?
Sam sent out a message to the universe that he wants everyone to think that he's a giant fucking douchebag.
Smeg sent out a message to the universe that people shouldn't fuck each other over.
The universe responded.
But, it only responded to Sam? Or, just ironically to Smeg? Or, is this the work of some third person?
It's all so convoluted. Wait...I just saw a video about this sort of thing. Mars in retrograde and stuff. Let me find it...
The universe likes chicks with tattoos more than frat boy type guys.
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Could someone please explain this in LOA terms?
Sam sent out a message to the universe that he wants everyone to think that he's a giant fucking douchebag.
Smeg sent out a message to the universe that people shouldn't fuck each other over.
The universe responded.
But, it only responded to Sam? Or, just ironically to Smeg? Or, is this the work of some third person?
From what I undersatnd, Law of Attraction does not work with negatives. For example, "I really don't want to get pulled over! I really don't want to get pulled over!" You will be pulled over.
So Meg wishing in a negative would cause it to actually happen. In theory.
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Could someone please explain this in LOA terms?
Sam sent out a message to the universe that he wants everyone to think that he's a giant fucking douchebag.
Smeg sent out a message to the universe that people shouldn't fuck each other over.
The universe responded.
But, it only responded to Sam? Or, just ironically to Smeg? Or, is this the work of some third person?
It's all so convoluted. Wait...I just saw a video about this sort of thing. Mars in retrograde and stuff. Let me find it...
The universe likes chicks with tattoos more than frat boy type guys.
Damn you universe!!!!
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From what I understand, Law of Attraction does not work with negatives. For example, "I really don't want to get pulled over! I really don't want to get pulled over!" You will be pulled over.
FTFY
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From what I understand, Law of Attraction does not work with negatives. For example, "I really don't want to get pulled over! I really don't want to get pulled over!" You will be pulled over.
FTFY
LOLz
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3701.0
this is more about the fact that EVERYTHING i did over the past year happens to be saved to sam's computer, and now he believes all of it is entirely his to do what he pleases with it, even for profit, with no compensation to me. much of that stuff was not even something we agreed on, or that i worked on with him, it was just my work that happened to be saved to his computers cause mine broke when he spilled water on it last year.
ian, to use the example of you and mark, say you guys part ways and you still want to use his promos; but you also want to use everything mark has ever done over the time you were together, weither it was for you or not. that's where i have a problem.
i also have a real issue with the attitude sam has been taking with activism lately. i feel he is too aggressive, angry, and just interrupts and insults people... and i don't really want to be associated with that.
however, after one amazing email this morning, the world is a happy place, and i have decided how to address this issue:
if sam chooses to use my work, i will make better work. if he makes his own work... i will still make better work ;)
hehehe, win in the market place, cause i'm the original badass ;)
this thread was to publicly out my request for the stop of sam's use of my work, so everyone was aware it wasn't being done with my approval. there are just some things i cannot support, like the anger/insults/belittling sarcasm on the megaphone; the constant interrupting of anyone he disagrees with, especially bureaucrats; the negativity towards activists who fail to live up to his standards; etc... because i cannot support such things, i do not wish my work to be associated with it. if he decides to use it anyway, everyone now knows that i don't necessarily approve/condone the message they are attached to. this is not a "litigation threat" type thing. this is a "i'm declaring my lack of association to this, because i may not entirely agree with it."
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From what I understand, Law of Attraction does not work with negatives. For example, "I really don't want to get pulled over! I really don't want to get pulled over!" You will be pulled over.
FTFY
If it doesn't work, then a cat won't fart in John Shaw's face today.
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From what I understand, Law of Attraction does not work with negatives. For example, "I really don't want to get pulled over! I really don't want to get pulled over!" You will be pulled over.
FTFY
If it doesn't work, then a cat won't fart in John Shaw's face today.
DAMN YOUSE YOOONYYYVEEEERVSE!!!!
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From what I understand, Law of Attraction does not work with negatives. For example, "I really don't want to get pulled over! I really don't want to get pulled over!" You will be pulled over.
FTFY
If it doesn't work, then a cat won't fart in John Shaw's face today.
:lol:
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3701.0
this is more about the fact that EVERYTHING i did over the past year happens to be saved to sam's computer, and now he believes all of it is entirely his to do what he pleases with it, even for profit, with no compensation to me. much of that stuff was not even something we agreed on, or that i worked on with him, it was just my work that happened to be saved to his computers cause mine broke when he spilled water on it last year.
ian, to use the example of you and mark, say you guys part ways and you still want to use his promos; but you also want to use everything mark has ever done over the time you were together, weither it was for you or not. that's where i have a problem.
i also have a real issue with the attitude sam has been taking with activism lately. i feel he is too aggressive, angry, and just interrupts and insults people... and i don't really want to be associated with that.
however, after one amazing email this morning, the world is a happy place, and i have decided how to address this issue:
if sam chooses to use my work, i will make better work. if he makes his own work... i will still make better work ;)
hehehe, win in the market place, cause i'm the original badass ;)
this thread was to publicly out my request for the stop of sam's use of my work, so everyone was aware it wasn't being done with my approval. there are just some things i cannot support, like the anger/insults/belittling sarcasm on the megaphone; the constant interrupting of anyone he disagrees with, especially bureaucrats; the negativity towards activists who fail to live up to his standards; etc... because i cannot support such things, i do not wish my work to be associated with it. if he decides to use it anyway, everyone now knows that i don't necessarily approve/condone the message they are attached to. this is not a "litigation threat" type thing. this is a "i'm declaring my lack of association to this, because i may not entirely agree with it."
hmm...
Ahh - that helps clarify. If your work wasn't intended for his/OTN use, then clearly he has no claim on it.
Well, except it was voluntarily allowed to exit her property and enter his computer. I remember this discussion with this L. Neil Smith character and....
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From what I understand, Law of Attraction does not work with negatives. For example, "I really don't want to get pulled over! I really don't want to get pulled over!" You will be pulled over.
FTFY
If it doesn't work, then a cat won't fart in John Shaw's face today.
Taors is simultaneously abusing Fleshlight #36 and ordering #37 even as I type this sentence.
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Can't she just LOA it off of Sam's computer?
"I really want my work to quantum tunnel to my hard drive. I really want my work to quantum tunnel to my hard drive."
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Can't she just LOA it off of Sam's computer?
"I really want my work to quantum tunnel to my hard drive. I really want my work to quantum tunnel to my hard drive."
Maybe it's only him. Maybe she doesn't have faith in it.
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Maybe if LOA isnt working you should try the older methods of praying or meditation.
OH WAIT, MO BULLSHIT
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Wait... there's a person called smeg?
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Wait... there's a person called smeg?
Yes.
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Does Sam make money with OTN?
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Does Sam make money with OTN?
She's making the claim and he ain't denying it.
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Does Sam make money with OTN?
She's making the claim and he ain't denying it.
I'm guessing the term "make money" is subjective in this context.
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He's certainly making SOME money. Off of her stuff? Dunno.
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He's certainly making SOME money. Off of her stuff? Dunno.
You'd be amazed at how much OTN stuff was hers, from what I understand.
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He's certainly making SOME money. Off of her stuff? Dunno.
You'd be amazed at how much OTN stuff was hers, from what I understand.
Why would you want to brand someone elses stuff as yours anyway? If there's a limited supply, then such a short term plan will be exposed once all the content is used. Of course, I'm not really sure what the content is exactly, seeing as how I never really watch anything by OTN, let alone know if they have a website beyond a youtube channel.
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Why would you want to brand someone elses stuff as yours anyway? If there's a limited supply, then such a short term plan will be exposed once all the content is used. Of course, I'm not really sure what the content is exactly, seeing as how I never really watch anything by OTN, let alone know if they have a website beyond a youtube channel.
It's called being a second hander.
"The man who takes credit for an achievement which is not his own. He knows himself to be mediocre, but he’s great in the eyes of others. The frustrated wretch who professes love for the inferior and clings to those less endowed, in order to establish his own superiority by comparison . . . . They’re second-handers" - Crazy Eyes Killah Ayn Rand.
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Does Sam make money with OTN?
She's making the claim and he ain't denying it.
Sam would never admit to not making money.
I make money with videos. I don't know what he does. He got paid for the Millionaire CRAP shoot, and he's allegedly done some work for the FSP.
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Does Sam make money with OTN?
She's making the claim and he ain't denying it.
Sam would never admit to not making money.
I would venture a guess that I make more money off my part-time wedding video business than Sam does off video work. But, it'd be a guess.
Sam has tens of thousands of dollars invested in video equipment. I can't see how he's gotten anywhere close to turning a profit as far as the OTN footage goes. Unless he's being paid by someone for doing it...
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Does Sam make money with OTN?
She's making the claim and he ain't denying it.
Sam would never admit to not making money.
I make money with videos. I don't know what he does. He got paid for the Millionaire CRAP shoot, and he's allegedly done some work for the FSP.
Doesn't matter either way. He's obviously trying to make money with her work. Whether he does or not is irrelevant. She wants him to stop using her shit. He should stop using her shit.
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"There are two sides to every story. I have more pressing matters to work on today"
What a douche.
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"There are two sides to every story. I have more pressing matters to work on today"
What a douche.
Didja see my response?
Hehe.
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Yessir. I wish you were over there more, having the balls to comment on shit like this.
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Yessir. I wish you were over there more, having the balls to comment on shit like this.
Been busy man. :-(
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So, I'm betting at least 2 people are gonna get arrested in about a half hour for antagonizing the cops whilst drinking beverages at the City Council meeting.
WINNING HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
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So, I'm betting at least 2 people are gonna get arrested in about a half hour for antagonizing the cops whilst drinking beverages at the City Council meeting.
WINNING HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
...his hair was PERFECT...
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So, I'm betting at least 2 people are gonna get arrested in about a half hour for antagonizing the cops whilst drinking beverages at the City Council meeting.
WINNING HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
...his hair was PERFECT...
I had to look that one up.
Watch the arrests live at 6:45:
http://cheshiretv.org/stream.htm
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So, I'm betting at least 2 people are gonna get arrested in about a half hour for antagonizing the cops whilst drinking beverages at the City Council meeting.
WINNING HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
...his hair was PERFECT...
I had to look that one up.
Watch the arrests live at 6:45:
http://cheshiretv.org/stream.htm
It's a woman talking about dogs...
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That may be the funniest two minutes of city council meeting EVER!
(no, it's not. Not by a long shot. But funny nonetheless.)
Edit: oops, just became unfunny right through fascist.
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TWO ARRESTS
Where's my money, Brock?
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Did you just see the illegal search?
You can take your money out of that lawsuit.
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Oh shi-
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At least two minutes of this:
(http://www.shackpics.com/download.x?file=LOL_4me5qq7efeaiy9ctj0p1.jpg)
Before they turned the camera back.
ROFL.
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Crosswalk .... BSOD ... and then the courthouse/council chambers ceased to exist.
But Mr. Harris is on now!
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Good way to avoid telling your side of the story, Sam.
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Ian skipped work to get arrested?
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Could someone please explain this in LOA terms?
(http://wiki.freetalklive.com/images/d/db/Jiminy_Locust.jpg) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20350.msg519043#msg519043)
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Could someone please explain this in LOA terms?
(http://wiki.freetalklive.com/images/d/db/Jiminy_Locust.jpg) (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20350.msg519043#msg519043)
You should expect your internets to arrive via registered mail in 4-6 weeks.
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People are just realizing that Sam is a douche bag? Should have been apparent to everyone from the start.
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Now about the attention whore morons who got arrested for doing an open container stunt at a town council meeting. This is what I'm trying to figure out.
I thought they wanted to create a free, open and voluntary society. Part of that includes convincing other people that a society can exist without a government. They tell us that we don't need a government to enforce all these little rules because social norms, customs, etc. will put social pressure on people and keep them civil. That order within society doesn't need government enforcement.....
Yet they are behaving like a mob of unruly self-absorbed teenagers. Why? Are you trying to show them the kind of society that would come about in your voluntary society? Are people really going to be clamoring to support your voluntary society when they look at people who are continually getting arrested for doing immature, obnoxious, disruptive stunts? Where is your civility? You have feuds about use of other people's creative work. Weird cuddling with children at a libertarian commune. Mobs hanging out in front of people's homes. You want a peaceful society but you engage in actions knowing they will lead to violence.
What has it all gained you? It seems the only accomplishment of half of this retarded activism stunts has been to placate your egos and avoid a self image of cowardice. The real effect seems to have been to concentrate attention whores in one town and cause others in the community to disassociate themselves from these morons.
I gotta agree with Denis Goddard on stuff like this. Freak Staters need to go home.
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Now about the attention whore morons who got arrested for doing an open container stunt at a town council meeting. This is what I'm trying to figure out.
I thought they wanted to create a free, open and voluntary society. Part of that includes convincing other people that a society can exist without a government. They tell us that we don't need a government to enforce all these little rules because social norms, customs, etc. will put social pressure on people and keep them civil. That order within society doesn't need government enforcement.....
Yet they are behaving like a mob of unruly self-absorbed teenagers. Why? Are you trying to show them the kind of society that would come about in your voluntary society? Are people really going to be clamoring to support your voluntary society when they look at people who are continually getting arrested for doing immature, obnoxious, disruptive stunts? Where is your civility?
I'd by that for a dollar! (in regard to this particular activity)
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Ian stated in the thread that it is not his goal to educate statists, it's just to bring more of these kinds of activists to Keene.
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Ian stated in the thread that it is not his goal to educate statists, it's just to bring more of these kinds of activists to Keene.
Is he trying to increase the KPD budget or something?
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Ian stated in the thread that it is not his goal to educate statists, it's just to bring more of these kinds of activists to Keene.
Is he trying to increase the KPD budget or something?
He's said elsewhere (A while ago) that he thought getting a bigger gang of people than the state gang would work. Just outnumbering them all collectivist like.
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Stage 1: Do activism.
Stage 2: Bring more activists.
Stage 4: Profit.
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We'll see, once all the "troublemakers" are in jail.
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Stage 1: Do activism.
Stage 2: Bring more activists.
Stage 4: Profit.
I'm curious about Stage 3: something like "do work?"
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Stage 1: Do activism.
Stage 2: Bring more activists.
Stage 4: Profit.
I'm curious about Stage 3: something like "do work?"
It's a reference to South Park's "Underpants Gnomes"
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Stage 1: Do activism.
Stage 2: Bring more activists.
Stage 4: Profit.
I'm curious about Stage 3: something like "do work?"
It's a reference to South Park's "Underpants Gnomes"
Ah. Forgot.
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We'll see, once all the "troublemakers" are in jail.
How much time do you think they'll do?
Maybe enough for them to finally think "Hey, maybe I am being retarded about some things..."
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We'll see, once all the "troublemakers" are in jail.
How much time do you think they'll do?
Maybe enough for them to finally think "Hey, maybe I am being retarded about some things..."
I LOL'd!
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But seriously, if they are not Jury trials as Brad is suggesting on the FK forum, then the decision is up to the judge. And the regulars have not been known to be lenient as of late. Are there any habitual offender laws/sentencing guidelines in NH?
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Giving the court system more money through fees and fines by getting arrested just seems counter productive to me. Destroying their property would make more sense. Im not suggesting anyone do that, but at least it would put a burden on the city instead of money in their pockets.
imagine 5 yrs from now when they have possibly 10 times more CD Keene people......
The city goons are gonna be like "WHOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!!!! PAYDIRT!!!"
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Giving the court system more money through fees and fines by getting arrested just seems counter productive to me. Destroying their property would make more sense. Im not suggesting anyone do that, but at least it would put a burden on the city instead of money in their pockets.
imagine 5 yrs from now when they have possibly 10 times more CD Keene people......
The city goons are gonna be like "WHOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!!!! PAYDIRT!!!"
Yeah, getting everyone these massive fines is rather counter productive. I agree with you, civil disobedience is good, but so is real resistance.
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Ian stated in the thread that it is not his goal to educate statists, it's just to bring more of these kinds of activists to Keene.
Is he trying to increase the KPD budget or something?
Hm.
My pulse is 84. My BP must be thru the roof.
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But I agree with your concern and that is where I really see all these minor charges causing problems if at all - 5 or 7 years down the road in the context of a federal case. I'm just talking about worst case scenario. Maybe it would never happen, in which case, awesome.
I could see it happening sooner than that, if they piss someone off enough.
http://www.shac7.com/case.htm
Protests Across State Lines
The only charges in the indictment that were not conspiracy charges were federal stalking counts. The government's case on these charges was built around the premise that organizing or participating in home demonstrations across state lines becomes stalking. Never mind the fact that there were clearly police present in the video shown of the protests, and if anyone had done anything illegal, they clearly would have been arrested.
In order to convict the defendants on these charges, the jury had to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the people whose homes were being protested were not only in fear for their lives or of being physically harmed as a result of the protests, but also that this was a reasonable fear, and that the protestors intended for them to feel this way. With such a high burden of proof required, and the knowledge that this was never the intent of the defendants, these charges appeared impossible to get a conviction on.
Andrew Stepanian (http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/25/exclusive_animal_rights_activist_jailed_at) was convicted, and was spent 6 months out of 26 in a Communication Management Unit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_Management_Unit). IIRC, he is the first person to be released from a CMU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_Management_Unit
Compared to other inmates, those placed in the CMU have little contact with the outside world.
Visitation
The standard for inmates is unlimited contact on their visitation day, once each week or biweekly. The CMU permits two hours, twice per month, and are non-contact, meaning the visitor and inmate are in separate rooms with viewing through a glass window and talking via telephone. All conversations must be in English unless special permission is granted 10 days in advance.
Mail
Prisoners can usually send and receive unlimited mail, where incoming mail is checked for contraband, then delivered to the inmate. With the exception of correspondence with lawyers & the courts, letters sent to and from the CMU are read, copied and evaluated before being released, which results in delays of a week or more.
Telephone
Convicts in the general population are permitted 300 phone minutes per month; rules in the CMU allow one call per week, limited to 15 minutes, and it must be in English unless special permission is granted 10 days in advance. The duration of the single call can be reduced to 3 minutes at the discretion of the warden.
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Smeg and Ian can hook up now!
That would be perfect.
I've been out of the loop for a while, but I'm wondering, what happened to Julia?
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Smeg and Ian can hook up now!
That would be perfect.
I've been out of the loop for a while, but I'm wondering, what happened to Julia?
This has been answered several times on the BBS.
Q: Where is Julia?
A: She left town and is doing her Panera work elsewhere.
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Smeg and Ian can hook up now!
That would be perfect.
I've been out of the loop for a while, but I'm wondering, what happened to Julia?
This has been answered several times on the BBS.
Q: Where is Julia?
A: She left town and is doing her Panera work elsewhere.
Yes, it's been answered, but I think twice before, unless I missed a few.
;-)
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This thread is so, so full of Drama Win.
As for the Keeniacs, it's like watching the Soviet Union collapse. You knew it had to happen, it was just a matter of time. Same principle as the US economy. But I digress...
These are people who don't give a flip about what other people think. They manage to make enemies out of ordinary small-government types. Then they manage to make enemies out of libertarians. Then they manage to make enemies out of other anarchists. Now they're just pissing off each other.
It's like asking a hippie, "how's that 'everyone live together in a commune with no possessions' thing working out for ya?"
And now this:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3705.0
What kind of freedom is being preserved or regained by this kind of "activism"? How is this helping your image?
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If the goal is to achieve a voluntary society, acts like these aren't paving the way.
I think that, once again, blackie (and ox, in this case) hit the nail on the head. All these "victories" where the judge "is moved to Do The Right Thing" and ignore a parking ticket or some other stupid BS... that crafty judge is just building a case where he can take a few people away, and make examples of them. One of these days it's not going to be a fun weekend in the pokey, or a case where the "activist" can leave anytime he wishes, just by giving his name.
It's going to be multiple years in a real, actual prison with real, actual, kick-your-pansy-ass-and-rape-you badasses. And all the "victory in court" situations will be revealed to in fact be victories... for the prosecution.
But, I'm sure it'll be good press. Right?
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Whoever had over, stand up and claim your prize.
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So, this Ethan guy is a bit of a pedophile? The FSP definitely doesn't need that PR.
Ethan is not involved with the FSP in any way. He is not a participant, a friend or anything. He doesn't agree with the statement of intent and is not about the FSP. He doesn't even morally think he is able to join the FSP.
He is a self-proclaimed anarchist. I have no idea if he is a pedophile but even if that was true, I highly doubt it would hurt the overall view of anarchists in the minds of the general population. And anyway, nothing in that thread of now mentions anything at all that is 100% sexual. Anarchists are only a step above terrorists. Anyone that actually calls themselves an anarchist, holds signs calling cops thugs and so on likely has many public relations issues.
Not all anarchists are only a step above terrorists. I'm one of those so called anarchists, and you don't see me running around and wanting to blow things up or acting like these civil disobedience fools doing what they are doing and getting themselves arrested. I guess that's the difference between the leftist anarchists and the anarcho capitalists is that the anarcho capitalists don;t want to destroy things. We just want to be left alone.
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they are terrorists, didn't you see them drinking water out of beer bottles in town meeting. They were causing quite the disruption!
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So, this Ethan guy is a bit of a pedophile? The FSP definitely doesn't need that PR.
Ethan is not involved with the FSP in any way. He is not a participant, a friend or anything. He doesn't agree with the statement of intent and is not about the FSP. He doesn't even morally think he is able to join the FSP.
He is a self-proclaimed anarchist. I have no idea if he is a pedophile but even if that was true, I highly doubt it would hurt the overall view of anarchists in the minds of the general population. And anyway, nothing in that thread of now mentions anything at all that is 100% sexual. Anarchists are only a step above terrorists. Anyone that actually calls themselves an anarchist, holds signs calling cops thugs and so on likely has many public relations issues.
Not all anarchists are only a step above terrorists. I'm one of those so called anarchists, and you don't see me running around and wanting to blow things up or acting like these civil disobedience fools doing what they are doing and getting themselves arrested. I guess that's the difference between the leftist anarchists and the anarcho capitalists is that the anarcho capitalists don;t want to destroy things. We just want to be left alone.
Keith is saying that the word has a negative connotation to it, and a better choice would be wise.
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Not all anarchists are only a step above terrorists. I'm one of those so called anarchists
Hear, hear, and... me too!
I call myself an anarchist, in public and on TV, all the time. The key is, I do it while wearing a suit, while having a respectful conversation where I *listen* to what the other person is saying, and I do my level best to be as reasonable, rational, and knowledgeable as possible.
I call myself an anarchist in front of nice ladies on the town recycling committee... and they like me, and tell me they lean anarchist too.
I called myself an anarchist in front of every single one of the major-party candidates for US House of Representatives and most of the major-party candidates for US Senate. At least one of them will be a Senator or Congresscritter in 6 months' time, and they will know that they have at least mildly influential constituents at home who are anarchists.
Secession, anarcocapitalism... I am bringing these ideas into the maintream political discourse in NH.
It's all about presenting yourself with dignity, and respecting the opinions of people who disagree with you.
Basically, just do the opposite of the Freak-staters in Keene, and you find yourself winning hearts and minds.
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Basically, just do the opposite of the Freak-staters in Keene, and you find yourself winning hearts and minds.
Denis, the name calling, please.
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Not all anarchists are only a step above terrorists. I'm one of those so called anarchists
Hear, hear, and... me too!
I call myself an anarchist, in public and on TV, all the time. The key is, I do it while wearing a suit, while having a respectful conversation where I *listen* to what the other person is saying, and I do my level best to be as reasonable, rational, and knowledgeable as possible.
This works for me too.
Now if you could avoid shitting all over other people for their choices of activism. Criticism is one thing, and I've been critical of the last few stunts, which were obviously counterproductive to their own purposes.
Yet, making enemies of people who agree with them does nothing to persuade--something you seem proud of doing. Additionally, not everyone is best persuaded in a suit and tie so your pride in that is just silly. The type and level of candor and the wardrobe should fit the occasion, which is not always dictionary definitions and a suit and tie.
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Basically, just do the opposite of the Freak-staters in Keene, and you find yourself winning hearts and minds.
Denis, the name calling, please.
Ha! Beat me to it while I was being long-winded!
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Basically, just do the opposite of the Freak-staters in Keene, and you find yourself winning hearts and minds.
Denis, the name calling, please.
Ha! Beat me to it while I was being long-winded!
Offer constructive criticism, which is what I tried to do.
Calling someone a "freakstater" is a juvenile move.
Yes, BonerJoe is actually calling something childish.
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Yes, BonerJoe is actually calling something childish.
I think I've said at least twice before, you're impressing me. I might even go so far as to use the term "influencing."
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I like the name Freakstater.
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Basically, just do the opposite of the Freak-staters in Keene, and you find yourself winning hearts and minds.
Denis, the name calling, please.
Ha! Beat me to it while I was being long-winded!
Offer constructive criticism, which is what I tried to do.
Calling someone a "freakstater" is a juvenile move.
Yes, BonerJoe is actually calling something childish.
What do you think he should call the group of people he's specifying?
I think Keeniacs is less offensive, but not everyone is from Keene. I guess a bunch are from Manch, and whatever else is between the two points, right?
Ianites has a nice ring to it.
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Basically, just do the opposite of the Freak-staters in Keene, and you find yourself winning hearts and minds.
Denis, the name calling, please.
Ha! Beat me to it while I was being long-winded!
Offer constructive criticism, which is what I tried to do.
Calling someone a "freakstater" is a juvenile move.
Yes, BonerJoe is actually calling something childish.
What do you think he should call the group of people he's specifying?
I think Keeniacs is less offensive, but not everyone is from Keene. I guess a bunch are from Manch, and whatever else is between the two points, right?
Ianites has a nice ring to it.
Aren't they all associated with Free Keene, thus Free Keeners?
Ianites is just mean--goes right to the "cult" thing. Are we all going to have to earn our "cred" by disagreeing with some things Ian goes for? (Not that I haven't, several times, some strenuously.)
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Dennis,
You're out there telling people that we should be free to do as we please...and yet you have so much rage inside about what other people DO WITH THAT FREEDOM.
It's easier to convince people of something if you act like you believe it yourself. It doesn't seem to me like you are at all ready for a free society. In a free society, not everyone will wear a suit and tie...it doesn't seem like you are ready to deal with that. Try to have the same love and compassion for people that we need people who believe in the state to have.
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I would strongly suggest Denis not get into the habit of using the term "Freak Stater."
Since the more he uses it, the more likely people are going to hear it and use it. Who knows what people they may be? Pretty soon, "Freak Stater" will become a moniker for signatories of the Free State Project as a whole, in addition to anyone loosely connect to the Free State Project and/or liberty in general. Then the fun he's having at the expense of others will be had at his expense and the expense of people he respects and agrees with.
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Basically, just do the opposite of the Freak-staters in Keene, and you find yourself winning hearts and minds.
Denis, the name calling, please.
Ha! Beat me to it while I was being long-winded!
Offer constructive criticism, which is what I tried to do.
Calling someone a "freakstater" is a juvenile move.
Yes, BonerJoe is actually calling something childish.
What do you think he should call the group of people he's specifying?
I think Keeniacs is less offensive, but not everyone is from Keene. I guess a bunch are from Manch, and whatever else is between the two points, right?
Ianites has a nice ring to it.
Aren't they all associated with Free Keene, thus Free Keeners?
Ianites is just mean--goes right to the "cult" thing. Are we all going to have to earn our "cred" by disagreeing with some things Ian goes for? (Not that I haven't, several times, some strenuously.)
I dunno. I suppose a lot of them probably are. Phonetically, thats not a far stretch to Freak Keeners.
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Dennis,
You're out there telling people that we should be free to do as we please...and yet you have so much rage inside about what other people DO WITH THAT FREEDOM.
It's easier to convince people of something if you act like you believe it yourself. It doesn't seem to me like you are at all ready for a free society. In a free society, not everyone will wear a suit and tie...it doesn't seem like you are ready to deal with that. Try to have the same love and compassion for people that we need people who believe in the state to have.
I agree.
I think a lot of folks think they are but aren't. I've commented on that a couple of times. Maybe none of us really is, yet. Maybe we have to mature a bit. (I'm serious.)
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You're out there telling people that we should be free to do as we please...and yet you have so much rage inside about what other people DO WITH THAT FREEDOM.
Um, "rage?" No. :)
Just public, clearly-communicated disapproval, couched in language that even people with a serious case of cognitive dissonance -- about the ACTUAL effect of their actions -- might understand.
I've tried being diplomatic and respectful, and it's like calmly reasoning with a 3-year old why he shouldn't smear shit on the walls. Sometimes you gotta pick the kid up, yell "NO!" in his face, and slap his hand, else you're gonna have a stinky house.
See, what people do with their freedom has a lot to do with this thing called "responsibility" that Freak-Staters lack in droves.
It doesn't seem to me like you are at all ready for a free society
On the contrary, it is the freak-staters who are not ready for a free society. They're ready to whine about it, to take every opportunity to leap in front of a camera or cop car, to smoke dope for it... but to actually achieve it?
Wake me up when the hippies achieve a world with peace and no possessions. That will be about the same time the Keeniacs get anarcocapitalism.
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Civil Disobedience: More effective if you don't get caught.
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Dennis,
You're out there telling people that we should be free to do as we please...and yet you have so much rage inside about what other people DO WITH THAT FREEDOM.
It's easier to convince people of something if you act like you believe it yourself. It doesn't seem to me like you are at all ready for a free society. In a free society, not everyone will wear a suit and tie...it doesn't seem like you are ready to deal with that. Try to have the same love and compassion for people that we need people who believe in the state to have.
As I understand it, you've assigned yourself (or selves) the responsibility of protesting the system. Right? You want to influence or change it in some way, hopefully for the better. Correct?
The ultimate outcome is arguable, though. Some may want smaller gov't, some may want none. This is irrelevant. Because we are at point A, minarchy would be point B, and anarchy would be point C. In either manifestation, we want to go from A to at least B, and possibly beyond - to C. Correct?
No arguments thus far, correct?
This can have - and needs - a multi-lateral approach. It needs all different types, working in different ways, at different levels, to accomplish this goal. It is complex. There are federal, state and local considerations. There are laws to be changed or introduced, repealed, and numerous persons to be installed in positions which are beneficial towards freedom, replacing or overwhelming bureaucratic statists. There are grass-roots level groups which bring more participants into the game, adding to the support, generating money, votes, and illuminating stuff that most citizens overlook. That is the role of the typical civ-dis person - generating interest.
Some may argue that the civ-dis role is to inundate the system with a frustrating level of annoyance, thus bogging down the system and causing it harm.
I don't agree with that part, because they will always add to the numbers of state and local workers to compensate for your intrusion.
This is where A>B>C takes a left turn, the rule of unintended consequences. You do not go to B or C. You go to D. And D is bad.
Your responsibility is to prevent D from happening, while simultaneously campaigning to reach B or eventually C.
D causes increased police activity. It raises the level of bureaucratic intrusion on civilians. It increases force. It increases threat. It increases taxes. You have to be aware of the results of your personal actions. This is the very definition of personal responsibility, which we can all agree is central in importance in an anarchistic civilization, it is the cornerstone of all other rules of society.
So when you say "we can do whatever we want", you are incorrect. You actually can't do whatever you want. You can only do whatever you want if it only impacts yourself. The minute it adds to the problem, you actually become personally responsible - in part - for the increase in the loss of personal freedom for other citizens.
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Civil Disobedience: More effective if you don't get caught.
Applies to all activism, for some people.
:shock:
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How the hell does nipple painting in a public park count as civdis when there's no law against said act intended for titillation?
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How the hell does nipple painting in a public park count as civdis when there's no law against said act intended for titillation?
Children thrashing their arms and screaming....................... theres your answer. Doesnt bother me a bit, but pisses off alot of the more socialy conservative old fogies. Way to get them on your side for shit that really counts huh?
Seems to me the best way to go about CD is to focus on the stuff most people think is a ridiculous law, then once youve got the majority supporting you and working in and outside the system to end those things, you move on to the stuff that is more trivial, like titty painting, which will be illegal im sure once the old fogies that attend city council meetings take the grand kids down to the park and little johnny gets an eye-full. :P
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I've tried being diplomatic and respectful, and it's like calmly reasoning with a 3-year old why he shouldn't smear shit on the walls. Sometimes you gotta pick the kid up, yell "NO!" in his face, and slap his hand, else you're gonna have a stinky house.
Sounds like something a bureaucrat might say about enforcing a law.
Personally, I think that engaging in politics is going to make the job of convincing people of the evil of the state a much harder task than it already is (in other words, that what you are doing is counter-productive). But bitching and whining to you about it isn't going to change your mind, and is going to do little more than alienating an ideological ally. Instead, how about treating the people you disagree with with respect instead of name-calling? If what they are doing doesn't work, they won't think that you are a complete jerk when they give it up.
If politics does work, great! I certainly don't claim to know what the best way is to create a voluntary society....because it's never been done! You should stop acting like you know how it is going to come about too.
Act and treat your neighbors with compassion and respect, even if you disagree with what they are doing. It sets a good example for other people you are trying to persuade to act in a similar manner. When you tell people that they should respect their neighbors choices, and you are constantly pissing and moaning about your neighbor's choice on your free state blog, it sends a mixed message, and it's hypocritical.
Incidentally, I'm one of the cowardly "stay under the radar" types that don't engage in either.
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You're out there telling people that we should be free to do as we please...and yet you have so much rage inside about what other people DO WITH THAT FREEDOM.
Um, "rage?" No. :)
Just public, clearly-communicated disapproval, couched in language that even people with a serious case of cognitive dissonance -- about the ACTUAL effect of their actions -- might understand.
I've tried being diplomatic and respectful, and it's like calmly reasoning with a 3-year old why he shouldn't smear shit on the walls. Sometimes you gotta pick the kid up, yell "NO!" in his face, and slap his hand, else you're gonna have a stinky house.
See, what people do with their freedom has a lot to do with this thing called "responsibility" that Freak-Staters lack in droves.
It doesn't seem to me like you are at all ready for a free society
On the contrary, it is the freak-staters who are not ready for a free society. They're ready to whine about it, to take every opportunity to leap in front of a camera or cop car, to smoke dope for it... but to actually achieve it?
Wake me up when the hippies achieve a world with peace and no possessions. That will be about the same time the Keeniacs get anarcocapitalism.
There are a number of flaws here, but I'll try to keep it short. Primarily, as has already been said in a different way, you make it sound like you're their parent. You're not. As eluded to, this is law enforcement type attitude, not libertarian type attitude. Besides, as for your assertion about smearing shit on your walls...they're not your walls, and they're not smearing shit on them. Also, put bluntly, I seriously doubt you're ready for liberty, Denis. People are going to be pissing you off all the time. In short, there will be people doing some disgusting stuff with their freedom, and it will be their right, if it's not your walls. You better deal with it. They'll have to deal with it too, but it doesn't mean it won't happen.
I'm not sure I'm ready for complete liberty, but I want it, and I want the challenge to respond to.
Dennis,
You're out there telling people that we should be free to do as we please...and yet you have so much rage inside about what other people DO WITH THAT FREEDOM.
It's easier to convince people of something if you act like you believe it yourself. It doesn't seem to me like you are at all ready for a free society. In a free society, not everyone will wear a suit and tie...it doesn't seem like you are ready to deal with that. Try to have the same love and compassion for people that we need people who believe in the state to have.
As I understand it, you've assigned yourself (or selves) the responsibility of protesting the system. Right? You want to influence or change it in some way, hopefully for the better. Correct?
The ultimate outcome is arguable, though. Some may want smaller gov't, some may want none. This is irrelevant. Because we are at point A, minarchy would be point B, and anarchy would be point C. In either manifestation, we want to go from A to at least B, and possibly beyond - to C. Correct?
No arguments thus far, correct?
I myself would prefer folding the paper and sticking the pencil through from A to C. Don't have a plan, though, and doubt screaming "you can't make me" will bring it about. I, personally, have no objections to achieving B, being preferred to A, as I think I've said (I appreciate MMJ laws, etc., because I don't have to be a lawbreaker for medicine--nevertheless, I've been arrested twice for contempt of cop.) I can stand working for both B and C independently, and have done that. I've been to D and it sucks.
How the hell does nipple painting in a public park count as civdis when there's no law against said act intended for titillation?
Children thrashing their arms and screaming....................... theres your answer. Doesnt bother me a bit, but pisses off alot of the more socialy conservative old fogies. Way to get them on your side for shit that really counts huh?
Seems to me the best way to go about CD is to focus on the stuff most people think is a ridiculous law, then once youve got the majority supporting you and working in and outside the system to end those things, you move on to the stuff that is more trivial, like titty painting, which will be illegal im sure once the old fogies that attend city council meetings take the grand kids down to the park and little johnny gets an eye-full. :P
Actually, it wasn't the nipple painting. That's just what the press picked up on (you know nudity is somehow a novelty even though it's legal.) It was the consumption of alcohol in public, at a time when "a citizen" called out the cops over the vagrant filling crap up from the water fountain, and, apparently, there was some sort of "duty" to deal with the alcohol.
The arrest for that, I can handle--live like you're free, and don't make a fuss seems fine to me. Here, the cops played fascist since all was cool.
That said, I'm not sure what sticking one's ass in front of the grille of the squad car when they're hauling someone away is supposed to accomplish except an easy arrest.
Also, if most think it's a bad law, you whip out a referendum. No CD needed.
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I've tried being diplomatic and respectful, and it's like calmly reasoning with a 3-year old why he shouldn't smear shit on the walls. Sometimes you gotta pick the kid up, yell "NO!" in his face, and slap his hand, else you're gonna have a stinky house.
Sounds like something a bureaucrat might say about enforcing a law.
And that would be a valid criticism if Dennis actually was slapping the Keeniacs around.
Personally, I think that engaging in politics is going to make the job of convincing people of the evil of the state a much harder task than it already is (in other words, that what you are doing is counter-productive). But bitching and whining to you about it isn't going to change your mind, and is going to do little more than alienating an ideological ally. Instead, how about treating the people you disagree with with respect instead of name-calling? If what they are doing doesn't work, they won't think that you are a complete jerk when they give it up.
He already said he tried that, what Dennis does to his alledged allies surely wouldn't offend them, afterall what they do to the wider community doesn't alienate them, right, right?
If politics does work, great! I certainly don't claim to know what the best way is to create a voluntary society....because it's never been done! You should stop acting like you know how it is going to come about too.
Yep. I've got absolutely no idea how you're going to create a voluntary society. Got a pretty good idea what's not going to work though.
Act and treat your neighbors with compassion and respect, even if you disagree with what they are doing. It sets a good example for other people you are trying to persuade to act in a similar manner. When you tell people that they should respect their neighbors choices, and you are constantly pissing and moaning about your neighbor's choice on your free state blog, it sends a mixed message, and it's hypocritical.
Ah, is Dennis asking for people to treat their neighbours with compassion and "respect their choices" or is that your ideology. Because it sure isn't inherent to libertarianism or even ac.
Incidentally, I'm one of the cowardly "stay under the radar" types that don't engage in either.
Good for you. Smart.
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So, this Ethan guy is a bit of a pedophile? The FSP definitely doesn't need that PR.
Ethan is not involved with the FSP in any way. He is not a participant, a friend or anything. He doesn't agree with the statement of intent and is not about the FSP. He doesn't even morally think he is able to join the FSP.
He is a self-proclaimed anarchist. I have no idea if he is a pedophile but even if that was true, I highly doubt it would hurt the overall view of anarchists in the minds of the general population. And anyway, nothing in that thread of now mentions anything at all that is 100% sexual. Anarchists are only a step above terrorists. Anyone that actually calls themselves an anarchist, holds signs calling cops thugs and so on likely has many public relations issues.
Not all anarchists are only a step above terrorists. I'm one of those so called anarchists, and you don't see me running around and wanting to blow things up or acting like these civil disobedience fools doing what they are doing and getting themselves arrested. I guess that's the difference between the leftist anarchists and the anarcho capitalists is that the anarcho capitalists don;t want to destroy things. We just want to be left alone.
Keith is saying that the word has a negative connotation to it, and a better choice would be wise.
Yes, I agree that it does have a negative connotation because most people are too lazy to actually research the term. But in all reality, I was thinking of moving up to the free state after I finish my BS and MS within in the next 2.5 years, but after catching up on the stuff that the keeniacs are doing, I have serious reservations. Unfortunately the masses have been brainwashed, and the only way to bring down the state is either a) To take it over the old fashioned way, and that is through the electoral process, or b) an armed rebellion. I'm not looking to start an armed revolution or anything like that, but the way that some of these guys are going about it is ridiculous, and it makes us all look bad. Seriously, mammary painting in public? Some of these guys have no tact. I understand what they are trying to do, but man, people are not going take that lightly. Seriously, what does having naked people/Topless women in public have to do with the more important things with regards to trimming down/eliminating the state? Most men can't be trusted when the boobies are exposed. I'm not a prude, and I love the mammaries, but jeeze. can't these guys find something better to protest than public obscenity laws? Although I agree 100% with the open container stuff they are doing, there's always some asshole that's going to ruin it for the rest of the people. It's probably best that these open container ordinances are around. But there has got to be a way to make it so that the people who are not idiots don't get into trouble or ticketed or arrested. Just the idiots, the drunks, and people driving while intoxicated. At least down here in Miami, they are badly needed. There's a reason why this town is one of the dumbest in Amerika, and I'm leaving soon. I wan't to move up there to NH, but not if those fools keep doing what they are doing and alienating the natives.
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Once more, the nipple painting was legal and not objected to. It neither brought the cops to the scene (it was about someone else, doing something else) nor caused the arrests (open container violations, about which I agree with the activists.) Let's say the nipple painting in public was illegal. I would question the tact, but not their right to do it.
If someone with an open container gets unruly, he's drunk and disorderly, which is a separate act, or it's simply disorderly conduct, which is also a separate act. You could argue it also used when they cannot nail the disorderly for a "real" crime, and that's a fair concern too I think. The answer is not to bother the people who aren't committing crimes or threatening/appearing to do so.
Also, in a proprietary society, you can have all the non-criminal ordinances you want, such as no bare skin beyond the wrists, ankles and neck, no public ingestion of mind altering substances, or no loitering when the property owners tell you to leave, etc.
Finally, if the Free Keeners are going to be civilly disobedient on "public" property they need to be sure to drive home the point that the reason it's an issue is that they've been actively deprived of the funds to create and take care of said property and it's "theirs" too; that the problem exists because of the socialistic assertion that there is such a thing as "public" property, and when such property is allocated, people will always argue over how it is used. That, my friends, is the whole point, though it's even worse when the desire to control encroaches on one's own property line.
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Part of civil disobedience is civility.
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I think Drifter's point about going to D is important here. Yeah, you ought to be free to do all the dumb things you're doing, but how are you convincing people that a free society is in their interest if the only preview you give is doing wildly unpopular stunts? What about the illegal manicure? That was badass, and should be more of a model.
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I would strongly suggest Denis not get into the habit of using the term "Freak Stater."
Since the more he uses it, the more likely people are going to hear it and use it. Who knows what people they may be? Pretty soon, "Freak Stater" will become a moniker for signatories of the Free State Project as a whole, in addition to anyone loosely connect to the Free State Project and/or liberty in general. Then the fun he's having at the expense of others will be had at his expense and the expense of people he respects and agrees with.
That's an excellent point.
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I think Drifter's point about going to D is important here. Yeah, you ought to be free to do all the dumb things you're doing, but how are you convincing people that a free society is in their interest if the only preview you give is doing wildly unpopular stunts? What about the illegal manicure? That was badass, and should be more of a model.
And by what measure are these stunts "wildly unpopular"?
Because of people trolling local newspaper's website?
Shouldn't the goal be to show people that these "wildly unpopular" activities aren't hurting anyone? Every day they are out there smoking pot, and the only time there is every any trouble is when the cops come start some. It's going to start dispelling some myths about prohibition.
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Shouldn't the goal be to show people that these "wildly unpopular" activities aren't hurting anyone?
Yep. And behaving badly while trying to do it just gets the focus put on the behavior instead of the cause.
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Those pesky jews,homosexuals and the handicapped refusing to obey should be rounded up and sent away on trains......how dare they stand up to the gestapo.The collaborators are trying to get the nazi party on their side and the damn jews are making them look bad by their actions.The nazis stuck all the targets in the ghetto and they had the hide to form a resistance and actually defend themselves.They are casting a bad light on the collaborators who are working with the nazi party to change the system.
The collaborators are trying to work with the gestapo to get the jews free but the jewish resistance fighters are giving them a bad name by disobeying.Oh well, it wont matter if they give the nazi party the names of the resistance fighters so they can round them up and stick them all behind barbed wire because then the nazi party might respect the collaborators more.It doesnt really matter if the collaborators wear the nazi uniforms and salute the fuhrer because that is the only way the jews are going to be free.Stop resisting and embarrassing them already because the collaborators are giving the nazi party members a rating based on the jews they havent killed or rounded up yet which will change their policy.
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Smearing "shit on the walls" is not an activity that justifies such a heightened level of forceful intervention IMHO. Try stating the problem that the smearing creates (i.e., "stinky house") and talking to the kid while you clean it up with him - that would probably be enough to prevent it from happening again.
Two questions, Smart Guy:
1) Do you have a kid
2) Did your kid ever smear shit on the walls
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What is wrong with ox's idea? That's what I did.
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Well, it looks like Denis is just as stubborn as Ian.
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I'm not an authoritarian parent by any stretch. But there are some things kids do, especially when they are in the 3-5 age range, where they will not understand the deleterious consequences of their actions unless the communication is sharp, unmistakable, jarring.
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The fact that the freak staters jump to civil disobedience right away is big part of the problem. Civil disobedience is confrontation. Confrontation causes the other side to dig in their heels. It causes them to resist. When you do a bunch of asshole childish stunts like yelling obscenities at Pumpkin Fest all you will accomplish is causing the other side to oppose your every effort. They are not just going to resist your every effort in that one issue but will resist everything you do. In some of these cases you have people who will make these things personal. Mob action in front of a man's home and scaring the guy's family is a very quick way to make the confrontations personal.
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Those pesky jews,homosexuals and the handicapped refusing to obey should be rounded up and sent away on trains......how dare they stand up to the gestapo.The collaborators are trying to get the nazi party on their side and the damn jews are making them look bad by their actions.The nazis stuck all the targets in the ghetto and they had the hide to form a resistance and actually defend themselves.They are casting a bad light on the collaborators who are working with the nazi party to change the system.
The collaborators are trying to work with the gestapo to get the jews free but the jewish resistance fighters are giving them a bad name by disobeying.Oh well, it wont matter if they give the nazi party the names of the resistance fighters so they can round them up and stick them all behind barbed wire because then the nazi party might respect the collaborators more.It doesnt really matter if the collaborators wear the nazi uniforms and salute the fuhrer because that is the only way the jews are going to be free.Stop resisting and embarrassing them already because the collaborators are giving the nazi party members a rating based on the jews they havent killed or rounded up yet which will change their policy.
A serious example of reduction ad hitlerum.
I'm not an authoritarian parent by any stretch. But there are some things kids do, especially when they are in the 3-5 age range, where they will not understand the deleterious consequences of their actions unless the communication is sharp, unmistakable, jarring.
I see authoritarians all the time. They don't even know they're authoritarians.
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I see authoritarians all the time. They don't even know they're authoritarians.
Apparently it's OK, as long as you're a parent.
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seen far too many parents who are too scared to stand up to the authorities who impose control over them, deal with that by being abusive to their children instead. My parents for starters.
I spent no time rubbing shit on walls. I spent most of my childhood reading, boy scouts, and sleeping. The few problems I got into were when I was 14+ (not a child) and were anti-authoritarian acts. Didn't spare me the brushhandle.
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I see authoritarians all the time. They don't even know they're authoritarians.
Apparently it's OK, as long as you're a parent.
Some of them think (and use allegories) as though they're our parents.
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Good little convo going here, but I'd like to interrupt with more drama:
Ian has a curfew?
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Ian has a curfew?
In b4 he breaks it.
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Ian has a curfew?
In b4 he breaks it.
If its a "Dont leave your house after dark." I'm sure he'll break it tonight.
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To quote Crass:
If you don't like the rules they make, refuse to play their game
If you don't want to be a number, don't give them your name
If you don't want to be caught out, refuse to hear their question
Silence is a virtue, use it for your own protection
They'll try to make you play their game, refuse to show your face
Ian is showing up in court.
Giving them his name.
Listening to the verdict.
Taking the sentence.
Playing their games.
Ian is an "Inside the System Activist."
I realized this when I first saw him sit on the hood of the police car.
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To quote Crass:
If only everyone knew of them, right?
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"Ian Ⓥ Freeman is all CDed out for now. A man in a robe told me today that armed men would cage me if I'm seen out after 6pm. Oh, and now my bail can be violated for ordinance violations. I am now the gang's bitch. Hopefully the other awesome Keeniacs will keep the ball rolling without me."
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*BLOOP*
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***BLART***
(http://www.openmediaboston.org/files/imagecache/article/files/red-ring-of-death-rrod.jpg)
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I love you, John Shaw.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I love you, John Shaw.
***SMOOCH***
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I think I'm starting to see the issue....maybe.
The fact that the freak staters jump to civil disobedience right away is big part of the problem. Civil disobedience is confrontation. Confrontation causes the other side to dig in their heels. It causes them to resist.
Indeed. But civil disobedience is NOT
When you do a bunch of asshole childish stunts like yelling obscenities at Pumpkin Fest all you will accomplish is causing the other side to oppose your every effort.
Civil disobedience /= being an asshole. Even is some of the people doing civil disobedience ARE also being assholes, they are two separate issues. I'm behind you 100% when you say that you should not be an asshole. That's when you are doing civ dis or when you are just going about your daily life (like childish name calling in an internet forum).
Civil disobedience, per se, is not disrespectful of anything except the state. And the state deserves no respect, and should be shown no respect.
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I'll pitch in to get both sides some of these, fuck, they're even organic
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4f-4XQR8TBA/Sm3pEvG751I/AAAAAAAAB_0/fz0ZUAc1bG4/s400/organic-pacifiers_69.jpg)
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So is Ian still doing the show?
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So is Ian still doing the show?
No.
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Funny... I seem to recall Ian talking about how "politics burns people out"
I would have said, continually losing at politics burns people out. Since here in NH we actually win a fair amount with the politics, it's actually quite exhilarating.
If the Keeniacs are winning with teh CD... why the burnout?
EDIT: Oh, and agreed: it's not CD per se, it's CD where you act like a dick, and in so doing, wind up looking like a dick to broad majority of onlookers. For examples & video, see pretty must the last 12 months of freekeene.com
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http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2010/08/11/columnists/gilbert/free/id_409269.txt
As the founder of the Free State Project (which doesn't count for much!), I am as annoyed as you are at some of the childish antics of the Free Keeners. I don't see what any of this has to do with creating real solutions to social problems, solutions that respect individual rights and foster enterprise and creativity. When they could be working on important issues like school choice, tax reform, reforming civil asset forfeiture, and creating alternatives to occupational licensing, they're instead playing games with the police. Disappointing.
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Right now this is a peaceful group but since it is such a mess leadership or direction wise it could be turned and exploited.
They obviously dont get the fact there are no leaders,just free people acting free. 8)
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They obviously dont get the fact there are no leaders
That's just patently obvious B.S.
Ian, Russ, Sam are all clearly "leaders" in the group. They don't seem to be the type to accept responsibility for leadership, which is a different story...
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They obviously dont get the fact there are no leaders
That's just patently obvious B.S.
Ian, Russ, Sam are all clearly "leaders" in the group. They don't seem to be the type to accept responsibility for leadership, which is a different story...
What group is that?
The freedom movement has individuals moving toward a common goal.
You are mistaking leadership for posturing, which is a different thing. Leadership is about power while posturing is a frame of mind and an overall attitude.The posturing of the people you mentioned comes from being totally assured of their point of view. They are more practiced in what they do and this leads to respect from others. It does not mean they are leading anything. If people see their actions and copy them it does not mean they are in control of anyone else.
The beuraucrats are stuck in the mindset that there must be a heirarchical system at work because to them any other system is impossible. They fail to see that mutual cooperation is happening rather than someone using force to make other people do their bidding. Influence is different to force in many different ways - Using persuasion rather than threats is unknown and foreign to the state.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3701.msg41876#msg41876
Wow, 3 pages over this, several people informing me of the "right thing to do" without even knowing the situation. That's a little disturbing and frustrating. This is my personal life, and I feel like I share enough of myself with the public. Call me selfish, but I like having at least some small segment of my life to myself. Seeing this makes me want to say fuck it, and withdraw from such a public role. I don't appreciate Meg bring this up in this manner; I don't think it's anyone's business but Mine and Meg's; I expressed my desire to keep my personal life just that, personal, at the beginning of our relationship.
Yes there was an agreement. Meg worked for me on OTN, OTN Productions, FSF, or other endeavors mostly at my direction. She was responsible for for laundry, housework, cooking once a day, and dishes. She did laundry and made wonderful meals. The housework was a problem. Dishes seemed to have a 2-3 day backlog, so they were constantly in the sink. There was constantly crap around the house. Meg grew up in a messy, stuff everywhere, environment, I grew up in a neat house that was kept picked up. My place gets messy when I'm busy and I'm far from obsessive about it. However, my home is also my office, and it needs to be both presentable and functional given what I do.
I would bring things up, and due to communication break downs, expectations were missed on both sides. Meg likes to stay up very late, and because she was living with me that affected my routine. This bothered me, and I asked her to set working hours. She picked 10am-6pm weekdays, and otherwise by special arrangement. Every time we made a new agreement to address issues, her commitment in my view lasted a week or two. Meg could not get up by 10am most days of the week.
While living with me I supported her with food and lodging. I bought her a bike. I paid her doctor visits and her prescription medicine, which is not cheap. I also drover her out to Manchester for doctor visits. She had a macbook that rebooted after 3-4 minutes of editing, and was basically unusable. I knocked over a glass of water one night (shit was everywhere), and damaged it further. She sold it for parts and believes I should pay for this. I would agree there is some responsibility here for a few hundred dollars.
I also invested $500 in Video copilot software for CS4. Meg spend weeks going through training courses, learning how to do all of the graphics. Even though I paid her expenses while she learned all of this, that goes with her, and I gain no benefit. Instead, I now have to start over, which sucks because Meg's work is fantastic.
Did Meg create the designs? Yes. Did I provide direction and feedback on them? Yes. Did I compensate her to not only create them, while also giving her the tools, time, and training to learn the skills? Absolutely.
I also invested over 15K in a entity completely separate from video production, which she decided is "too much work", and now I get to pick up the pieces of that one too. She had a share of each item sold for FSF.
Over the last several months, I've been explaining to Meg that things are not working, and I'm taking steps to distance myself from our relationship. Each step of the way I explained where I was, the things that were not working, and why I was taking the steps I was.
As the situation deteriorated, I eventually understood that we were not communicating, and this was an unhealthy environment. It turned my home, what I consider my sanctuary where I am able to recharge and relax, into a hostile unsafe environment. I informed Meg that I wanted her to move out, and gave her 30 days to do so. Most of this 30 days she worked on her stuff so she could become financially independent.
Meg asked me to buy the button machine for a few hundred bucks for liberty flair. I wanted to help her get on her feet, so I agreed with the promise from her that it would quickly be paid back. The last time I brought it up repayment, her response was ". . .Fuck you. . . "
Eventually she moved out. Some of her stuff was still here. She decided to come get it when Heika was coming over after nightcap to work on a letter to the city councilors for the drinking game. Meg decided to "warn her" about me, then go to my house uninvited. She tried to lock me out of my own home. She did her best to crush my hand in the door, used her back and feet to force the door closed on my leg. Her plan was to delete everything she had ever worked on with me. She attempted to leave with one of my OTN archive drives to delete any footage she has worked on from the last year. When I took that back, she ran into my edit studio, and was planning to delete everything. She took my 600 dollar formal office chair and jammed it up against the door handle. This scratched the fuck out of the wood back of the chair. She ripped the head of the OTN Sam doll she made me - an odd gift for someone who thinks I'm an egotistical asshole.
After about an hour of this (Heika eventually left), Meg had done enough screaming obscenities(I have a neighbor in the same house who was sleeping), she sat in my chair refusing to leave. I sat with her for another half hour looking into her eyes, hoping to connect with her. It really kills me to see her so upset and angry like that. I offered to give her a copy of all of her work, including the OTN logos and animations for her portfolio. She told me I had better not use any footage, that she was going to go delete my youtube videos, and that she would be filing copyright claims on all of them. (earlier she tried logging into the PC's here to start deleting everything. I shut them down and unplugged cables.
Eventually Meg left. I informed her that she is no longer welcome at my home. I feel like there was a violation of our agreement. I feel like this was work for hire. I feel like I gave her the opportunity to become part owner of OTN, and I set her up with a completely separate business where I was primarily a silent investor, which she has abandoned. It's going to take me months to put things back together.
Again, this kind of inquiry into my personal life is not welcome, and I don't appreciate anything in this thread. Now on to getting yelled at by Ivy for not getting back to her for the event tomorrow. I'm almost ready to pull my facebook profile. I get too much crap email and don't take the time to read it. Now people are throwing me under the bus because I didn't get back to them through some website I rarely have time to check. I'm so sick of the high schoolish drama that goes on in this movement. Please respect my desire to have some shred of a private personal life.
Sam
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The beuraucrats are stuck in the mindset that there must be a heirarchical system at work because to them any other system is impossible.
Keep telling yourself that.
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http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2010/08/11/columnists/gilbert/free/id_409269.txt
As the founder of the Free State Project (which doesn't count for much!), I am as annoyed as you are at some of the childish antics of the Free Keeners. I don't see what any of this has to do with creating real solutions to social problems, solutions that respect individual rights and foster enterprise and creativity. When they could be working on important issues like school choice, tax reform, reforming civil asset forfeiture, and creating alternatives to occupational licensing, they're instead playing games with the police. Disappointing.
...and because the Free State Project is a cult of personality, this matters...
We all know he envisioned a political takeover. All his "solutions" are changes to legislation. While they may be beneficial, they're not solutions.
They obviously dont get the fact there are no leaders
That's just patently obvious B.S.
Ian, Russ, Sam are all clearly "leaders" in the group. They don't seem to be the type to accept responsibility for leadership, which is a different story...
Wow--the closet statist strikes again. Perhaps they are "leaders" by example, but not by hierarchy, which is typically what you statists look for.
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Chalk is baaaad:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3770.0
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What group is that?
The freedom movement has individuals moving toward a common goal.
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The beuraucrats are stuck in the mindset that there must be a heirarchical system at work because to them any other system is impossible. They fail to see that mutual cooperation is happening rather than someone using force to make other people do their bidding. Influence is different to force in many different ways - Using persuasion rather than threats is unknown and foreign to the state.
Hierarchy is part of human nature.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080423121430.htm
http://culturalneuro.psych.northwestern.edu/NYAS2009.pdf
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What group is that?
The freedom movement has individuals moving toward a common goal.
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The beuraucrats are stuck in the mindset that there must be a heirarchical system at work because to them any other system is impossible. They fail to see that mutual cooperation is happening rather than someone using force to make other people do their bidding. Influence is different to force in many different ways - Using persuasion rather than threats is unknown and foreign to the state.
Hierarchy is part of human nature.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080423121430.htm
http://culturalneuro.psych.northwestern.edu/NYAS2009.pdf
I'm not against heirarchys. At work we cooks form a heirarchy based on skill and experience that is generally agreed upon. Involuntary or unnaturally forced hierarchies are a problem though.
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Chalk is baaaad:
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3770.0
Chalk isn't bad. At the same time, chalking a monument that is clearly treasured by some in the community isn't cool. Chalking a cannon and a trash can seems out of place to. And then there is the question of the actual message chalked, which wasn't exactly amazing. I was down there last night, to discourage horrible chalking if needed. Thankfully, no one wanted to chalk.
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The chalkers hurt no one. The people who want to punish those that did the graffiti want to and will cause harm. What if the authorities did the chalking it to cause trouble and sympathy? Fuck those that care so much for a war monument.
They hate people who disrespect stuff, I hate people who attack the harmless.
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Fuck those that care so much for a war monument.
Exactly, fuck everyone and their opinion. What do you propose, killing them all? should they be deported? Should their houses be burned? Good luck taking over. That kinda of crap doesn't fly in small New England towns/cities. NH isn't LA or NYC.
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Are you willing to hurt someone over temporarily marking something? Protesting or complaining is fine but not hunting the perps down and hurting them.
I am willing to protect people if I can. Useless decorations not so much.
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The chalkers hurt no one. The people who want to punish those that did the graffiti want to and will cause harm. What if the authorities did the chalking it to cause trouble and sympathy? Fuck those that care so much for a war monument.
They hate people who disrespect stuff, I hate people who attack the harmless.
or it could have been asshole punks who simply don't care about what the rest of the community thinks
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They wouldn't have used chalk.
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This reminds me of a thing that happened years ago in Sydney which became legendary.
http://www.greenplanet.com.au/eternity/eternity.htm (http://www.greenplanet.com.au/eternity/eternity.htm)
THE STORY OF ARTHUR STACE
He started early, usually before dawn ,and he wandered through all the streets of sydney.Every morning he was somewhere else, Wynyard, Glebe, Paddington, Randwick, Central Station.As he said - where God directed him. Every night the message appeared in his head. He was a very little man, bent, grey-haired, only five feet three inches tall and just seven stone. He looked frail enough to blow away.Then with the formality of another generation he always wore a grey felt hat, tie and prim double-breasted navey blue suit. Sometimes in the dawn light he would be seen around Wynyard Station..He would nod to the drunks still left on the pavement and he would look at the debris of the affluent society stretched out on the park benches, trying to keep warm under newspapers.If he detected any movement there would be a pat on the head or a warm greeting. He had the air of a man who understood.
As he walked every so often he would stop, pull out a crayon, bend down and write on the pavement in large, elegant copperplate - ETERNITY. He would move on a hundred yards then write it again, ETERNITY, nothing more, just one simple word. For thirty-seven years he chalked this one-word sermon and he wrote more than half a million times.
The City Council had a rule against defaceing the pavement and the police "very nearly arrested" him twenty-four times. "But I had permission from a higher source", he said.
The problem is not the chalk it is that they do not give you permission to use the chalk - Terror Australis
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They wouldn't have used chalk.
You really have no reason to be sure it was the "authorities" though when the Keeners have shown themselves to be kind of... assholish and punkish... in nearly everything.
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They wouldn't have used chalk.
You really have no reason to be sure it was the "authorities" though when the Keeners have shown themselves to be kind of... assholish and punkish... in nearly everything.
Stranger things have happened to give "them" an excuse to enact police state laws.....
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they can have an opinion. They can't use force on people to get their favorite behaviors followed by others.
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http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2010/08/20/news/local/free/id_410166.txt
Sam can't control his temper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVX5i3jXYT8
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*Facepalm*
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*Facepalm*
He needs to start fapping before hand, or something.
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Callaway said she supports the group’s right to protest, but doesn’t agree with its methods.
“I wanted to level the playing field and show that not everyone agrees with them ... I’m totally okay with the fact that they can protest, but the way they do it isn’t helpful to their cause and it’s reflecting badly on the community,” she said.
So, she sat on a bench outside City Hall before and after the meeting, holding a sign reading, “I have been paying taxes, wearing shirts and going to school my whole life ... So far, so good.”
The fellow in the video was James Callaway? The FK group is definitely making a difference - they've inspired at least one family to come out and use the same methods to voice the opposite opinion.
The video at the end of the story shows the protestors of the protest in a much better light. He was smiling and holding a cup. (I couldn't quite tell - what did the cup have written on it?) Sam was yelling, leaned in really close, really fast... and looked like he was about to lose it.
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Free Keene From the Free Staters
--protestcup
Sam is officially a douchebag.
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Not good. What the hell is the matter with Sam? Can someone get him laid?
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http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2010/08/20/news/local/free/id_410166.txt
Sam can't control his temper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVX5i3jXYT8
It appears so.
Callaway said she supports the group’s right to protest, but doesn’t agree with its methods.
“I wanted to level the playing field and show that not everyone agrees with them ... I’m totally okay with the fact that they can protest, but the way they do it isn’t helpful to their cause and it’s reflecting badly on the community,” she said.
Yeah, I was full of shit when I said that. They're clearly getting out of hand, and Ian will be all to eager to try to spin it for three hours on national radio tonight, but I'm a "drama queen."
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They're clearly getting out of hand, and Ian will be all to eager to try to spin it for three hours on national radio tonight...
Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
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Also, if I wanted dogmatic rigidity, I could go back to hard core Objectivism.
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Wow. It's like the Free Keeners have a weekly challenge to give the most people reasons to be suspicious of freedom.
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
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Looks like Sam went apeshit, sortof assholish. They should have handled this weird guy with the cup by simply laughing at him, pointing their fingers at him and laughing their asses off. Laughing at someone can REALLY piss them off more than just about any words you can say to them sometimes. Trust me, I do this with people I vehomently disagree with all the time and it not only pisses them off, it often makes them question their own views as being ridiculous.
Sam acted like a cop right there. Not cool.
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
What about Mark's contribution to the show? Mark is clearly supportive of your "Ian is starting to stray" idea, right?
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
Curious. If y'all never listen, how do you have the 411 on it?
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
Curious. If y'all never listen, how do you have the 411 on it?
s/never/infrequently
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
Curious. If y'all never listen, how do you have the 411 on it?
"I CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH"
That implies that I still listen, once in a while. When the L. Neil shit came up, I listened. Ian made a bunch of spin. When Ian got arrested for the fake booze crap, I listened.
I've listened maybe ten times in the last few months, not including being in the same room with them at Porfest, doing a fucking interview.
You always have some fucking cockface asshole thing to say. You should probably work on that. I'm not your fucking chew toy, ya prick.
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
Curious. If y'all never listen, how do you have the 411 on it?
s/never/infrequently
Interesting. As someone who agrees with the "Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live" characterization, I listen > 5 nights per week and have resigned myself to the show being that. But, I also realize that FTL is an entertainment venue not unlike Melrose Place or 90210. This particular soap opera, though, has a worldwide didactic value.
I've considered switching AMP to antiwar.com or other, but the addition of LRN has dissuaded me.
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
Curious. If y'all never listen, how do you have the 411 on it?
squeak noises
I know Osborne digs you, but I can't for the life of me figure out why. Your online presence is so horrific, I can only imagine that you must be a teddy bear in person to have any human connection whatsoever.
I engage you, not for sport, but because I feel you have particularly interesting and have, at (most) times, well thought out things to say. Also, because your sense of humor is obvious. But, at every opportunity, you have felt it necessary to use profane language and ad hominem attack to reasonable argument.
It is clear to me at this point, that you cannot handle rationale discussion despite my attempts to offer olive branches. That's cool. I unilaterally agree to ignore you. Too bad, too, because I have been anticipating the coming release of your movie.
To all else: sorry for the dustup, but I guess it had to happen.
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
Curious. If y'all never listen, how do you have the 411 on it?
squeak noises
I know Osborne digs you, but I can't for the life of me figure out why. Your online presence is so horrific, I can only imagine that you must be a teddy bear in person to have any human connection whatsoever.
I engage you, not for sport, but because I feel you have particularly interesting and have, at (most) times, well thought out things to say. Also, because your sense of humor is obvious. But, at every opportunity, you have felt it necessary to use profane language and ad hominem attack to reasonable argument.
It is clear to me at this point, that you cannot handle rationale discussion despite my attempts to offer olive branches. That's cool. I unilaterally agree to ignore you. Too bad, too, because I have been anticipating the coming release of your movie.
To all else: sorry for the dustup, but I guess it had to happen.
If you didn't constantly bust my balls we'd never have a problem. You've never said a single friendly thing to me, and every time we do interact, you're taking some shot at me.
Also, you put friggin' words into my mouth and call me a statist and shit, and when I contradict that shit, you disappear from the thread.
Then you get surprised that I eventually blow up at your shenanigans?
Feh.
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Dont bash the Shaw. Everyone respects him on here, and you're a nobody!
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Dont bash the Shaw. Everyone respects him on here, and you're a nobody!
Bah on that too.
Fucker just needs to stop busting my fucking balls all the time. Shit wears thin and then I go off.
Sometimes when I go off it's not totally warranted, sometimes it is, but the point is is that it wouldn't have happened without all the ball busting.
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Two thumbs up. I want to start a chip-in account that would pay for people to follow around free keeners and make mini movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj3IGBsAuT4
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I probably wouldn't agree with this James guy's political views, but he comes across as a real stand-up fellow. Someone needs a few more samples of his own medicine.
Sammy saw my cup and thought I was a supporter. He gave a quick glance at the message and smiled, then he realized what it said. You could see his demeanor change. That guy is unstable.
Sorry Sammy. If you are saying you in any way felt threatened by my actions, you are lying. I was peaceful. Annoying and irritating, but peaceful and not threatening. Had you stopped your “apology” after the first paragraph, I would have gladly accepted it. But to put a condition on it, veiled as an invitations to some peace talk, that is not an apology. Just another tactic to use to try to get your point across. An apology ends after “I am sorry.”
I want my cup back. And I want to see you write “FREE KEENE FROM THE FREE STATERS” on it. That will be payment enough for the property damage you caused me.
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I probably wouldn't agree with this James guy's political views, but he comes across as a real stand-up fellow. Someone needs a few more samples of his own medicine.
Sammy saw my cup and thought I was a supporter. He gave a quick glance at the message and smiled, then he realized what it said. You could see his demeanor change. That guy is unstable.
Sorry Sammy. If you are saying you in any way felt threatened by my actions, you are lying. I was peaceful. Annoying and irritating, but peaceful and not threatening. Had you stopped your “apology” after the first paragraph, I would have gladly accepted it. But to put a condition on it, veiled as an invitations to some peace talk, that is not an apology. Just another tactic to use to try to get your point across. An apology ends after “I am sorry.”
I want my cup back. And I want to see you write “FREE KEENE FROM THE FREE STATERS” on it. That will be payment enough for the property damage you caused me.
This.
Also, Sam acts like a fucking cop and should be ashamed of himself. If some dude got up in my fucking grill like that I'd be intimidated enough to prepare to defend myself.
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
Curious. If y'all never listen, how do you have the 411 on it?
s/never/infrequently
Dennis, if you hate them so much why do you still call into the show and why do you continue to AMP? I'm not asking to be a jerk, just curious. I agree with the Free Keene thing, it's so focused on Keene now that I stop listening when they bring it up, I've even stopped subscribing on itunes cause I want to see what is on the show before I download it. I still think the show is good but I could see some affiliates dump them if they keep narrowing their focus to much. It's supposed to be a national show, perhaps they could do a five minute NH/Keene update, then that's it, move on. I've stopped listening to any show Sam is on, he seems to be stressed out, and to be honest if I was living in NH I would have kicked him in the balls a long time ago. Yes he has done a lot for liberty and works hard but that gives him no right to be a snob.
If had been the person with the cup Sam would have received a head butting from a tranny and his ass would have been on the motherfucking ground. I would have ground his balls into the pavement with my lovely knee high leather boots as well, just for good measure. Non-aggression principal my ass.
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Sam's dad is a cop. Perhaps he has the cop genes.
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(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/47/l_c8407681ad554040926289c8ab0c007b.jpg)
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In LibertyWorld, how frequently do you suppose the phrase "Don't touch me!" will be nervously exclaimed ?
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Dennis, if you hate them so much why do you still call into the show and why do you continue to AMP?
I do things methodically. In a planned fashion. I try not to allow my life to be governed by capricious emotion. I prefer to look bad and win, than to look good and lose. Wait.
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Smeg talking about Sam:
sam, you know you’re better than this. i mean, i had to deal with you in “this mode” for so long…
maybe now everyone can understand why i am frightened of you.
can someone please help sam? i personally can’t be around him anymore, but i don’t want him to be suffering from this much pain and anger. and he never understands how he is acting… he did this kind of shit to me all the time behind closed doors, and never saw it as ‘inappropriate’.
well, at least now people won’t think i’m lying about his anger and aggressive nature.
but please… someone help him.
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Smeg talking about Sam:
sam, you know you’re better than this. i mean, i had to deal with you in “this mode” for so long…
maybe now everyone can understand why i am frightened of you.
can someone please help sam? i personally can’t be around him anymore, but i don’t want him to be suffering from this much pain and anger. and he never understands how he is acting… he did this kind of shit to me all the time behind closed doors, and never saw it as ‘inappropriate’.
well, at least now people won’t think i’m lying about his anger and aggressive nature.
but please… someone help him.
Source? A google search of the words just brings me right back here.
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Smeg talking about Sam:
sam, you know you’re better than this. i mean, i had to deal with you in “this mode” for so long…
maybe now everyone can understand why i am frightened of you.
can someone please help sam? i personally can’t be around him anymore, but i don’t want him to be suffering from this much pain and anger. and he never understands how he is acting… he did this kind of shit to me all the time behind closed doors, and never saw it as ‘inappropriate’.
well, at least now people won’t think i’m lying about his anger and aggressive nature.
but please… someone help him.
They used some labotomy/electro shock therapy on Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Peacefulled him down right proper. 8)
(http://blogs.citypages.com/amadzine/images/cuckoo2.jpg)
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Source? A google search of the words just brings me right back here.
comment #34
http://freekeene.com/2010/08/20/wkbks-dan-mitchell-discusses-city-council-drinking-game/
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Children.................
Watching this cup video, I had to remind myself that this wasnt just some mockumentary done on The Onion. The whole thing seemed so ridiculous on its face and I had to laugh and say to myself "wtf, are these guys serious?" One guy holding up a protest cup......... one guy smashing said protest cup......... first guy demanding cup smasher to buy him another protest cup......... maybe take it to arbitration. Ah, the fuckin drama !!!
Child smashes other childs cup............... let the games begin!!! :lol:
If this is the kind of shit to expect out of the free state types, I might even rethink even coming out there in 2 yrs. Say what you want, thats just my opinion.
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http://freekeene.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Drinking-Game-Round-2.mp3
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If this is the kind of shit to expect out of the free state Keene types, I might even rethink even coming out there in 2 yrs. Say what you want, thats just my opinion.
FTFY.
Just stay away from the Keene shit and you'll be fine, from what I hear.
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If this is the kind of shit to expect out of the free state Keene types, I might even rethink even coming out there in 2 yrs. Say what you want, thats just my opinion.
FTFY.
Just stay away from the Keene shit and you'll be fine, from what I hear.
Noted
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Just stay away from the Keene shit and you'll be fine, from what I hear.
"Fine" is "doing nothing". And like you say, I can "do nothing" right here.
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Which I why I can't listen to the show anymore. FTL was a huge boon to me when I found it, introducing me to a younger, more active (NOT ACTIVIST MIND YOU) crowd of liberty people, but I can only take so much of Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live anymore.
^this
Curious. If y'all never listen, how do you have the 411 on it?
s/never/infrequently
Interesting. As someone who agrees with the "Free Keene Talk Live/We Can Do No Wrong Talk Live/My Way Or The Highway Talk Live" characterization, I listen > 5 nights per week and have resigned myself to the show being that. But, I also realize that FTL is an entertainment venue not unlike Melrose Place or 90210. This particular soap opera, though, has a worldwide didactic value.
I've considered switching AMP to antiwar.com or other, but the addition of LRN has dissuaded me.
I decided to tell them that's why I killed my AMP, and Ian's answer was pretty much as expected (put words into my mouth, filibustered the reading of my reasoning, claimed that I pulled my AMP multiple times, etc., etc.) The fact was I pulled my AMP once before, for exactly the same bullshit, and told them why. Mark got upset because he thinks we're punishing him.
It's not even about the activism, for me--it's about Ian using the show to pimp his clever stunts, and the stunts of his disciples. I specifically listed the ones I thought were examples of negative activism:
- getting in front of police cars which have activists in them
- graffitiing ("chalking") the park up (I think "chalking" is disgusting, and it pisses me off when kids do it on the sidewalk in front of my house, too)
- attempting to fool the bureaucrats into believing they're drinking alcohol to create a distraction at city council meetings
Most of the rest of the stuff doesn't really bother me, or I even agree with, but at some point, they have to ask themselves "how will this be viewed by neutral parties?"
So, pull your AMP money if you have to. I think the only way you'll be taken seriously is if a number of people do that.
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My kind of activism, if I moved out there, would be to run for political office as a balls out socialist authoritarian. Then when/if I won, the gig would be up and the world would know they got snickerdoodled by an anarchist. Future elections would never be the same in that town due to the paranoia caused my me making them all wonder if they were really voting for a socialist or someone like me. I did my little part.
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I'd like to see Sam try that head move with someone who likes to brawl.
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I wouldn't. Sam would have a bad day.
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I'd like to see Sam try that head move with someone who likes to brawl.
Possible Translation: I'd like to see Sam get the ever loving shit kicked both out and back into him.
Funny how he can dish it out but can't take it.
Sam: "Imma be all peaceful and full of love and shit, watch!"
Other dude with opposing opinions: "Me too"
Sam: "MOTHERFUCKER I'LL CUT YA!!!!!11111oneoneone"
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lol. :lol:
I just hope Sam gets a little help. I agree with bonerjoe especially after smeg's post.
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Watching this cup video..
2 guys 1 cup ?
2 activists 1 cup ?
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Son,I am disappoint.
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Watching this cup video..
2 guys 1 cup ?
2 activists 1 cup ?
or 2 children 1 cup + 1 army kid
at least 2 girls 1 cup had a point (i think) to it :lol:
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In Sam's defence the dude holding the cup touched Sam first.While Sam acted like a wanker getting all up in the other guy's personal space I dont think he actually touched him first.Or did he?
Im glad it didn't turn out differently.We all know who the cops would have targeted if called to the scene.
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Im glad it didn't turn out differently.We all know who the cops would have targeted if called to the scene.
Different maybe. But the M.O. of cops these days is to haul both spatting parties in. Why arrest just one person when you can arrest two on the same call? Cha Ching!!!
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Im glad it didn't turn out differently.We all know who the cops would have targeted if called to the scene.
Different maybe. But the M.O. of cops these days is to haul both spatting parties in. Why arrest just one person when you can arrest two on the same call? Cha Ching!!!
true that.
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James,
I apologize for invading your personal space yesterday outside city hall. I should have worked to deescalate the situation, and instead my actions contributed to exactly the opposite. I certainly could have responded differently, and I have learned from this experience. I apologize for my aggressive behavior towards you.
OK, that was an apology.
I do not feel I owe you a new cup,
Oh WTF man! :x Do you want to fight him again? It sure looks like it.
as it was a closed container that was put in my face, and I truly felt threatened. However, I would invite you to sit down and talk about the issues related to Free Keene and the Liberty Activism going on. If you want to do this on camera, I think this would make great footage, and would be happy to film this in front of your coffee shop. Of course your videographer would be welcome to set up as well. This would be great advertising to the people that agree with and support your viewpoint, and I’ll even buy the drinks.
Trying to...mutually advertise with him? Um, maybe that would be a better discussion for another post.
I think this would go a long way to help you understand some of the changes that are happening in Keene and around the state. There is a tremendous amount of mis-information about the liberty activists, our views, and activism. I would like to explain what we are all about, and how the freedom message naturally works to bring people together.
So James if you would like to set that up on camera or off, please let me know with a private message to me in the forum. I’m glad you joined, and look forward to speaking with you about this.
Sam Dodson
Private message? And you really put the ball back in his court about the cameras? :roll:
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lol
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In Sam's defence the dude holding the cup touched Sam first.
If you're so in somebody's frigging face that he can't hold a cup up to his own mouth when eating and drinking are means of survival, then if you wanna get all technical and shit, you are impeding their means of sustaining life for that five seconds or whatever.
This whole technical thing is as stupid as fuck, but Sam was already going there with the "Hitting" bullshit.
Of course, if I were that dude, I'd have started deep mouth breathing and coughing and shit.
"I threw that spittle away, it doesn't belong to me anymore and what happens to it after it leaves my body isn't my responsibility."
Feh.
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In Sam's defence the dude holding the cup touched Sam first.
If you're so in somebody's frigging face that he can't hold a cup up to his own mouth when eating and drinking are means of survival, then if you wanna get all technical and shit, you are impeding their means of sustaining life for that five seconds or whatever.
This whole technical thing is as stupid as fuck, but Sam was already going there with the "Hitting" bullshit.
Of course, if I were that dude, I'd have started deep mouth breathing and coughing and shit.
"I threw that spittle away, it doesn't belong to me anymore and what happens to it after it leave my body isn't my responsibility."
Feh.
Agreed. The obvious point is that Sam was in his personal space. Sam was standing over him, and his posture was one of personal physical threat. The video makes this obvious. If Sam were a cop doing exactly the same thing, I think just about everyone here would agree that he was looking for a fight. Whoever first mentioned his behavior being like that of a cop was pretty much right on.
This is still more select behavior by certain FreeKeeners which is counterproductive to persuasion, and in this particular case, I'd agree with it being an actionable offense by Sam (not that the any reparations would be very significant; if I were an arbitrator, I would urge both parties to accept a heartfelt apology from Sam and perhaps an agreement to stay at least ten feet away from the man he assaulted.)
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Agreed. The obvious point is that Sam was in his personal space. Sam was standing over him, and his posture was one of personal physical threat. The video makes this obvious. If Sam were a cop doing exactly the same thing, I think just about everyone here would agree that he was looking for a fight. Whoever first mentioned his behavior being like that of a cop was pretty much right on.
I agree with this. If Sam were forced to stay 10 feet away from the man, and the man chose to continue interrupting his shot, what then? Does Sam have to pick up all his equipment and keep moving?
Same with someone looking to picnic in town square when a 420 is going on. There's plenty of room to get your picnic in without being near, or having to even smell cannabis being smoked. If 420 activists continued to follow picnic'ers around blowing smoke in their face, they'd be just as wrong. Every 420 event I've been to, this has not been the case.
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Being utterly convinced you're right to the point that you dismiss all criticism as whining/lack of commitment to TEH CAUSE/statism makes you little better, in my eyes, than the bureaucrats.
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Being utterly convinced you're right to the point that you dismiss all criticism as whining/lack of commitment to TEH CAUSE/statism makes you little better, in my eyes, than the bureaucrats.
This.
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Now stickied for your viewing pleasure.
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Que Mr. Rogers video of "Its a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood."
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Now stickied for your viewing pleasure.
When did that happen? *High Five*
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Now stickied for your viewing pleasure.
When did that happen? *High Five*
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=unread
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Now stickied for your viewing pleasure.
When did that happen? *High Five*
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=unread
I gotcha. Everything will be safe, now.
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Ian should get drunk more often. LOL.
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Ian should get drunk more often. LOL.
I dont think the booze made him do it. He just likes the word "boner" :)
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WAT
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3921.0
Cried myself to sleep last night. Cried myself awake this morning. But the reality of the situation didn't fully sink in until around 10AM. The only thing I could do for two hours after that is roll around on the floor and scream...
Four fucking years of my life! Four years of struggling to build my intellectual legacy, brick by brick, word by word, page by page, hour after hour, day after day, month after month... Four years of sacrifices, insults, and poverty... Four years of clients, friends, and relatives Googling my name and ostracizing me for my beliefs... I didn't cry when my parents died, probably because I was too busy thinking about stuff to post. And now, the tower I was building, for which I've sacrificed my life... dynamited from the bottom by the very people I was supposed to trust!
The commies were right - capitalists cannot be trusted to control their property. This incident proves that beyond the slightest shadow of doubt! People are fucking idiots! We need the government, even the Hitlers and the Stalins, to protect us from a greater tyranny by deceiving book-burning assholes like Ian Freeman!
Everything that I am has been destroyed. I don't know how or why to continue living. I cannot backtrack my life that far back and start over, my brain has already been hardwired a certain way. Why do anything when all the truth and beauty and literary achievement and value that you can create through years of struggle can be wiped away in an instant, and nobody will give a damn?!
Death is the only way out.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3921.0
Cried myself to sleep last night. Cried myself awake this morning. But the reality of the situation didn't fully sink in until around 10AM. The only thing I could do for two hours after that is roll around on the floor and scream...
Four fucking years of my life! Four years of struggling to build my intellectual legacy, brick by brick, word by word, page by page, hour after hour, day after day, month after month... Four years of sacrifices, insults, and poverty... Four years of clients, friends, and relatives Googling my name and ostracizing me for my beliefs... I didn't cry when my parents died, probably because I was too busy thinking about stuff to post. And now, the tower I was building, for which I've sacrificed my life... dynamited from the bottom by the very people I was supposed to trust!
The commies were right - capitalists cannot be trusted to control their property. This incident proves that beyond the slightest shadow of doubt! People are fucking idiots! We need the government, even the Hitlers and the Stalins, to protect us from a greater tyranny by deceiving book-burning assholes like Ian Freeman!
Everything that I am has been destroyed. I don't know how or why to continue living. I cannot backtrack my life that far back and start over, my brain has already been hardwired a certain way. Why do anything when all the truth and beauty and literary achievement and value that you can create through years of struggle can be wiped away in an instant, and nobody will give a damn?!
Death is the only way out.
Too bad it's just another Libman ploy. The odds of him staying away, let alone doing us the favor of checking out are in the negative numbers.
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Wow, that's pretty awful. I would be depressed too if I considered my "intellectual legacy" to be posts on a BBS.
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He really should have bought his own domain and hosted site.
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Has anyone actually seen Alex in New Hampshire, anyway?
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Has anyone actually seen Alex in New Hampshire, anyway?
no
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3925.0;topicseen
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Has anyone actually seen Alex in New Hampshire, anyway?
no
He has said on many occasions "I don't do IRL"
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3925.0;topicseen
I understand that Yadra's on his way to Cheshire County House of Corrections
Yadra's the guy who was such a prick they told him never again to come try and volunteer at the Keene food pantry.
That's pretty sad, dude.
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not sure what that has to do with someone going through a suspicionless checkpoint. While I agree he shouldn't have to show his license to cops (and shouldn't have to have a license anyways) I'm not sure if he thought that he didn't have to according to their laws.
Either way, suspicionless checkpoints are bullshit, and most people can agree that they don't want to be stopped by them. At least most people I know have no problem stopping people when they're drunk. . . they don't want blanket checkpoints like this. I think anti-suspicionless checkpoint activism is valuable and can get some people on your side.
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suspicionless checkpoints are bullshit
Yep.
And lots of people in NH agree with that.
About the only way to ensure they'll continue forever is to have "martyrs" for the cause who, frankly, come off as people that the average person would say needed locking up in the first place, if for no other reason than not having the sense not to poke a bear's eye with a stick.
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I disagree with his tactic personally. I just realize that bad people will harm you because you don't want to show them a piece of plastic with your picture on it. Some people choose to not give in to other meatsacks. I think it would have been better to document them, hold signs warning others about suspicionless checkpoints.
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One or two cars going through a checkpoint not showing ID isnt going to do much, but if you could get regular joe six pack types, moms, grandmas, etc and other "normal" people to line up 50 cars deep and refuse to show ID, it would sure make for a bad day for the cops running the checkpoint and might be worth doing. Question is, how do you convince people to grow some balls to do something on a somewhat large scale like this? Safety in numbers should be enough to convince these types to do CD like this. If only they would think about it.
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suspicionless checkpoints are bullshit
Yep.
And lots of people in NH agree with that.
About the only way to ensure they'll continue forever is to have "martyrs" for the cause who, frankly, come off as people that the average person would say needed locking up in the first place, if for no other reason than not having the sense not to poke a bear's eye with a stick.
I support living as a free person in the face of fascism. I don't support just being the state as the state's bitch, as you do, though. It baffles me where you choose to draw the line. I see this as a whole lot better than deliberately disrupting their little get-togethers by pretending to get inebriated on site.
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If you like getting mauled by the bear, poke the bear.
If you do not like getting mauled by the bear, do not poke the bear.
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If you like getting mauled by the bear, poke the bear.
If you do not like getting mauled by the bear, do not poke the bear.
If it is a bear, and it is chasing you, then the "poking" part doesn't come in to play. The question is whether the answer is 10mm, playing dead, or convincing the bear that you're more formidable than he is. I don't have the answers, but pretty soon it's going to be necessary to learn from Colonel Cooper and identify the environment we're in.
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I'm for not getting caught, and when you do, then get groups of freestaters to help you.
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The question is whether the answer is 10mm, playing dead, or convincing the bear that you're more formidable than he is.
Other options -
1. Get away from the bear.
2. Evade the bear.
3. Avoid the bear.
4. Obfuscate oneself against the bear.
Aight, that's all the same thing, but it BEARS repeating.
THANKSTRYTHEFISHI'MHEREALLWEEK!
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The question is whether the answer is 10mm, playing dead, or convincing the bear that you're more formidable than he is.
Other options -
1. Get away from the bear.
2. Evade the bear.
3. Avoid the bear.
4. Obfuscate oneself against the bear.
Aight, that's all the same thing, but it BEARS repeating.
THANKSTRYTHEFISHI'MHEREALLWEEK!
That reminds me of a story.
There's two nature lovers resting at the summit of a mountain after a nice hike to the top. They're enjoying a little feast they'd packed in their back packs, and their shoes and shirts are off, and they're stretching in the sun. Suddenly, one reaches for his shoes, in a hurry to put them on. The other looks at him, then looks around and sees a bear, lumbering toward them at an alarming distance.
He looks to his partner and says "Are you crazy? You cannot outrun that bear!"
His partner replies "Hell no, but I can outrun you!"
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If you like getting mauled by the bear, poke the bear.
If you do not like getting mauled by the bear, do not poke the bear.
If it is a bear, and it is chasing you, then the "poking" part doesn't come in to play. The question is whether the answer is 10mm, playing dead, or convincing the bear that you're more formidable than he is. I don't have the answers, but pretty soon it's going to be necessary to learn from Colonel Cooper and identify the environment we're in.
If you're talking about William Cooper, then I'm sure the answer is to wildly shoot at them and perhaps beat someone up with a crowbar.
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If you like getting mauled by the bear, poke the bear.
If you do not like getting mauled by the bear, do not poke the bear.
If it is a bear, and it is chasing you, then the "poking" part doesn't come in to play. The question is whether the answer is 10mm, playing dead, or convincing the bear that you're more formidable than he is. I don't have the answers, but pretty soon it's going to be necessary to learn from Colonel Cooper and identify the environment we're in.
If you're talking about William Cooper, then I'm sure the answer is to wildly shoot at them and perhaps beat someone up with a crowbar.
I was referring to Marine Lieutenant Colonel Jeff Cooper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper_(Marine)), who devised a color code to help armed people track awareness of the dangers around them and the readiness that one may need to be in the proper mindset to assert himself in an armed encounter.
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The question is whether the answer is 10mm, playing dead, or convincing the bear that you're more formidable than he is.
Other options -
1. Get away from the bear.
2. Evade the bear.
3. Avoid the bear.
4. Obfuscate oneself against the bear.
Aight, that's all the same thing, but it BEARS repeating.
THANKSTRYTHEFISHI'MHEREALLWEEK!
Or become a bear (not recommended). I suggest evasive action. Drive around the roadblock, place signs warning citizens of armed roadblock and offer a detour.
Also, easy on the violence WTFK.
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The question is whether the answer is 10mm, playing dead, or convincing the bear that you're more formidable than he is.
Other options -
1. Get away from the bear.
2. Evade the bear.
3. Avoid the bear.
4. Obfuscate oneself against the bear.
Aight, that's all the same thing, but it BEARS repeating.
THANKSTRYTHEFISHI'MHEREALLWEEK!
Or become a bear (not recommended). I suggest evasive action. Drive around the roadblock, place signs warning citizens of armed roadblock and offer a detour.
Also, easy on the violence WTFK.
Or we could just hold their hands and put daisies in their hair?
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Or we could just hold their hands and put daisies in their hair?
You first.
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The question is whether the answer is 10mm, playing dead, or convincing the bear that you're more formidable than he is.
Other options -
1. Get away from the bear.
2. Evade the bear.
3. Avoid the bear.
4. Obfuscate oneself against the bear.
Aight, that's all the same thing, but it BEARS repeating.
THANKSTRYTHEFISHI'MHEREALLWEEK!
Or become a bear (not recommended). I suggest evasive action. Drive around the roadblock, place signs warning citizens of armed roadblock and offer a detour.
Also, easy on the violence WTFK.
What violence? Show me where I'm violent. I'm not channeling The Joker (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=34917.msg612336#msg612336) or anything.
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the state is getting despirate if they're rounding up bears to do sobriety checkpoints. Until then, they're still humans. Besides, you can shoot bears when they are threatening you. You can't do that to police, well you could, but bears can't put you in a jail cell. I would much rather deal with a bear than a cop, at least i have a fighting chance with a bear.
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the state is getting despirate if they're rounding up bears to do sobriety checkpoints. Until then, they're still humans. Besides, you can shoot bears when they are threatening you. You can't do that to police, well you could, but bears can't put you in a jail cell. I would much rather deal with a bear than a cop, at least i have a fighting chance with a bear.
Which is why I said "If it is a bear, and it is chasing you..."
Clearly, they are not bears (colloquialisms and bad 70's pop culture aside), nor are they chasing, which is why "if" comes to play. Since they are not bears, the remedies are likely different. Though The Hague is a state solution, it was recognized as superior to just killing all the Nazis, and even made famous the notion that "just doing my job" is not an excuse. This is not to compare alcohol checkpoints with National Socialism, however tempting, but to compare possible solutions with the peculiarity of the problems. Few people would argue with the 10mm solution to the bear, or The Hague solution to the fascism, though many people here probably do fall outside both tolerances.
If you like getting mauled by the bear, poke the bear.
If you do not like getting mauled by the bear, do not poke the bear.
If it is a bear, and it is chasing you, then the "poking" part doesn't come in to play. The question is whether the answer is 10mm, playing dead, or convincing the bear that you're more formidable than he is. I don't have the answers, but pretty soon it's going to be necessary to learn from Colonel Cooper and identify the environment we're in.
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This is relevant to this discussion (and funny, too):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ba1BqJ4S2M&feature=player_embedded
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Typically, when someones line is crossed by a government or dictatorship, its far too late to do anything about it that will make a difference. There are exceptions, but they are rare.
Best you can hope for is for the state be crushed under its own weight and naturally disolve. This will happen.
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This is relevant to this discussion (and funny, too):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ba1BqJ4S2M&feature=player_embedded
Interestingly, both responses lead to the same result.
Typically, when someones line is crossed by a government or dictatorship, its far too late to do anything about it that will make a difference. There are exceptions, but they are rare.
Best you can hope for is for the state be crushed under its own weight and naturally disolve. This will happen.
It often seems comforting to know that a state will fall, but often, something worse springs up in its place. Examples: the Shaw of Iran, the Czars, Saddam Hussein (probably.) Occasionally, it goes the other way: Vietnam, Cuba, China. It's not that allowing communism to "flourish" was good, it's that it was allowed to not flourish. Besides, Vietnam and Cuba may well be examples "threats" that became somewhat obviously harmless to people in the U.S., where there was much fear of them.
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I don't support just being the state as the state's bitch, as you do
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said. I don't support being the state's bitch.
Unlike the Children of Keene, full of emotion and wanting results NOW, I am interested in WINNING. Whether or not it feels good in an immediate, "yell-at-the-cops" kinda way.
Let's say that I am involved in:
a) training bears to be afraid of humans
b) training humans in how to control bears
c) reducing the bear population overall
But hey, it sure feels like you're "doing something" when you poke a stick in that bear's eye...
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the only bears I've seen in NH is out near Grafton and Clark's Trading Post. That's right, we're still just dealing with humans here.
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the only bears I've seen in NH is out near Grafton and Clark's Trading Post. That's right, we're still just dealing with humans here.
I saw a bear at Porcfest, last year. He be sittin' on the lip of one of the garbage dumpsters as I was driving by it. Was a black bear.
I am for serious. Wasn't huge, was a lil' bear. Just chillin' on the dumpster.
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Bears shit in the woods just behind my house
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So, apparently Dale and Rich's movie has been put on hold until next spring because of an irresponsible cast member/sorta-Free Keene person with a staph/flesh eating bacteria infection that she's known about for 5 months. Most of the footage will probably have to be re-shot. Sux.
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.........cast member/sorta-Free Keene person with a staph/flesh eating bacteria infection that she's known about for 5 months.
Hell, you've got yourself a movie right there.
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I don't support just being the state as the state's bitch, as you do
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said. I don't support being the state's bitch.
Unlike the Children of Keene, full of emotion and wanting results NOW, I am interested in WINNING. Whether or not it feels good in an immediate, "yell-at-the-cops" kinda way.
Let's say that I am involved in:
a) training bears to be afraid of humans
b) training humans in how to control bears
c) reducing the bear population overall
But hey, it sure feels like you're "doing something" when you poke a stick in that bear's eye...
Oh, master, please stop beating me that way, and beat me this way instead!
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Hell, you've got yourself a movie right there.
It will likely provide a bit of material for a mini-series of webisodes about some colorful and exaggerated Free-Stater characters. These we can shoot in chunks so it won't be quite as involved as a feature-length movie, though I'm still looking forward to doing that when we have the weather we need again. Unfortunately, this happened when we had only exactly enough time left to get done and now we can't possibly finish shooting before Fall.
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the only bears I've seen in NH is out near Grafton and Clark's Trading Post. That's right, we're still just dealing with humans here.
I saw a bear at Porcfest, last year. He be sittin' on the lip of one of the garbage dumpsters as I was driving by it. Was a black bear.
I am for serious. Wasn't huge, was a lil' bear. Just chillin' on the dumpster.
holy shit!
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Bears shit in the woods just behind my house
no that was me, sorry about that.
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I don't support just being the state as the state's bitch, as you do
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said. I don't support being the state's bitch.
Unlike the Children of Keene, full of emotion and wanting results NOW, I am interested in WINNING. Whether or not it feels good in an immediate, "yell-at-the-cops" kinda way.
Let's say that I am involved in:
a) training bears to be afraid of humans
b) training humans in how to control bears
c) reducing the bear population overall
But hey, it sure feels like you're "doing something" when you poke a stick in that bear's eye...
It is also bear season in NH.
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So, apparently Dale and Rich's movie has been put on hold until next spring because of an irresponsible cast member/sorta-Free Keene person with a staph/flesh eating bacteria infection that she's known about for 5 months. Most of the footage will probably have to be re-shot. Sux.
I don't know for sure if she has a staph infection but she isn't related to Free Keene. Sorry, not only is she not a member (a blogger) but I don't think she even has an account of the forum or anything.
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Hey Dennis,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyBOEBWO-yA
Start at 7:40
BTW, I know you are angry. I still love you. Hopefully, you can get over this anger thing you've got going on (I mean that completely sincerely).
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Cheshire District 3 Democrat
Won Candidate Votes %
Chuck WeedIncumbent 1,226 16
Kris RobertsIncumbent 1,174 16
Steve LindseyIncumbent 1,003 13
Cynthia Chase 964 13
Gladys Johnsen 956 13
David MeaderIncumbent 951 13
Sam Hawkes 817 11
Andrew Carroll 464 6
http://www.wmur.com/election-results/24991564/detail.html
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http://www.wmur.com/election-results/24991564/detail.html
This qualifies for drama?
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Well, he got better % than Ron Paul and I bet he spent a shit-ton less per vote as well.
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Has anyone actually seen Alex in New Hampshire, anyway?
Last week I spent a day looking for him in NJ.
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Has anyone actually seen Alex in New Hampshire, anyway?
Last week I spent a day looking for him in NJ.
There's no evidence that he was ever in NH. His IP is from NJ.
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Has anyone actually seen Alex in New Hampshire, anyway?
Last week I spent a day looking for him in NJ.
There's no evidence that he was ever in NH. His IP is from NJ.
He also claims he's not the "Alex from New Jersey" you hear call into GCN shows from time to time.
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Has anyone actually seen Alex in New Hampshire, anyway?
Last week I spent a day looking for him in NJ.
There's no evidence that he was ever in NH. His IP is from NJ.
He also claims he's not the "Alex from New Jersey" you hear call into GCN shows from time to time.
There are 2 different guys who have the same name as me and call in from my state. I have never called in.
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Has anyone actually seen Alex in New Hampshire, anyway?
Last week I spent a day looking for him in NJ.
There's no evidence that he was ever in NH. His IP is from NJ.
He also claims he's not the "Alex from New Jersey" you hear call into GCN shows from time to time.
Well, i know he's at least not one of them. Alex is "orion" on the BBS.
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http://www.wmur.com/election-results/24991564/detail.html
This qualifies for drama?
Yep.
http://freekeene.com/2010/09/15/andrew-carrolls-record-setting-campaign/
Ian was apparently told there wouldn't be any math.
In related news, Carroll got 450% of the "Smith" vote, an infinite percentage of ballots not cast, and 92% of the ballots cast for POTUS.
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http://www.wmur.com/election-results/24991564/detail.html
This qualifies for drama?
Yep.
http://freekeene.com/2010/09/15/andrew-carrolls-record-setting-campaign/
Ian was apparently told there wouldn't be any math.
In related news, Carroll got 450% of the "Smith" vote, an infinite percentage of ballots not cast, and 92% of the ballots cast for POTUS.
Yeah, last place of nine candidates, and the only one who didn't "win." Lowest percentage of any candidate on the whole page, too!
That is making headway! :lol:
This is not intended to be making fun of Andrew, but of the "celebration."
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Listening to last night's show after I got off was amazing... Ian has serious cognitive dissonance going on.
Dude, sometimes your team loses. It happens. It doesn't mean they are actually better in some deep way. It means they lost.
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Listening to last night's show after I got off was amazing... Ian has serious cognitive dissonance going on.
Dude, sometimes your team loses. It happens. It doesn't mean they are actually better in some deep way. It means they lost.
Ian be doing spin, meng.
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Yep.
http://freekeene.com/2010/09/15/andrew-carrolls-record-setting-campaign/
Ian was apparently told there wouldn't be any math.
In related news, Carroll got 450% of the "Smith" vote, an infinite percentage of ballots not cast, and 92% of the ballots cast for POTUS.
Fair enough, but the article you originally linked was just some charts of the results; not the insanely optimistic article you just linked, which I admit is better qualified for this section. :)
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What's wrong with a little inaccurate propaganda of our own?
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Yep.
http://freekeene.com/2010/09/15/andrew-carrolls-record-setting-campaign/
Ian was apparently told there wouldn't be any math.
In related news, Carroll got 450% of the "Smith" vote, an infinite percentage of ballots not cast, and 92% of the ballots cast for POTUS.
Fair enough, but the article you originally linked was just some charts of the results; not the insanely optimistic article you just linked, which I admit is better qualified for this section. :)
I was just playing the odds. Either the results go without mention (drama by omission) or they are spun into a dramatic Thomas Paine-esque "losing Philadelphia was actually a win for us, can't you see it?"
Really, though, Dale, anything that happens with y'all is drama to me, in The Young and The Restless (perhaps Days of Our Lives) sense. As a pup, I'd patiently sit through Grandma's "stories" at lunch because the first pitch at Wrigley wasn't until 1:05. After a while, I got hooked on the drama, good and bad.
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Really, though, Dale, anything that happens with y'all is drama to me,
I wish you wouldn't include me in the "y'all". Aside from milking the occasional muffin crisis for humorous effect, I find the drama tedious. I often walk away when I see the megaphones come out. I've even taken a fairly Swiss approach to the political vs. apolitical debates lately. People still reference me in those and I wince a little when I hear my name.
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What's wrong with a little inaccurate propaganda of our own?
Where's the Like button?
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Really, though, Dale, anything that happens with y'all is drama to me,
I wish you wouldn't include me in the "y'all". Aside from milking the occasional muffin crisis for humorous effect, I find the drama tedious. I often walk away when I see the megaphones come out. I've even taken a fairly Swiss approach to the political vs. apolitical debates lately. People still reference me in those and I wince a little when I hear my name.
But, you are included in it (the soap opera, I mean). You're the gay guy who's everybody's friend (or, at least frenemy) and, as you point out, is never at the epicenter of the drama. You're a Tier 1 character with your own storyline, but you also have a major role in adding depth to the other characters in their interactions with you.
I don't think the story would be the same without you. I think it would be much more two-dimensional.
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I don't think the story would be the same without you. I think it would be much more two-dimensional.
Hear, hear. Dale adds flava
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0.o
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Listening to last night's show after I got off was amazing... Ian has serious cognitive dissonance going on.
Dude, sometimes your team loses. It happens. It doesn't mean they are actually better in some deep way. It means they lost.
Ian be doing spin, meng.
Major spin. Andrew got dead last!
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when others vote for fascism and you choose not to, you win.
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when others vote for fascism and you choose not to, you win.
getting fascism implemented is a win for you?
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when others vote for fascism and you choose not to, you win.
getting fascism implemented is a win for you?
If winning is that easy then its one of those "everybody gets a trophy" kind of contests. Even in those contests, everyone still knows who the real winners are.
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If winning is that easy then its one of those "everybody gets a trophy" kind of contests. Even in those contests, everyone still knows who the real winners are.
Not sure what you're talking about. Winning is a lot of hard work. Not as hard as time in the slammer, but still work.
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If winning were that easy then it is like one of those "everybody gets a trophy" kind of contests. Even in those contests, everyone still knows who the real winners are.
Not sure what you're talking about. Winning is a lot of hard work. Not as hard as time in the slammer, but still work.
Edited for clarity.
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so by voting against fascism I helped implement it?
if you are voting for fascism, you're voting against your own freedom. . . even if you win the election I'd like to know how that makes you a 'winner'
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so by voting against fascism I helped implement it?
if you are voting for fascism, you're voting against your own freedom. . . even if you win the election I'd like to know how that makes you a 'winner'
Because, you picked him. He won. That makes you a winner too by default, even if you have nothing to do with the guy. You feel good that the guy you picked won, regardless of the reasons you picked him. Its like football. I pick teams to win all the time. When the one I picked wins, I feel good. Same thing here. If my guy beats your guy, Im smarter than you because I knew who would win and I picked him.............. you didnt. You picked the loser guy. Doesnt matter if the guy I picked just ate the still beating heart out of a newborn babies chest....... HE WON AND I PICKED HIM!!! Take off losers.
Yay for me......
(http://www.partyoptions.net/girl/cheer/55321-Rb11.jpg)
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so by voting against fascism I helped implement it?
if you are voting for fascism, you're voting against your own freedom. . . even if you win the election I'd like to know how that makes you a 'winner'
Because, you picked him. He won. That makes you a winner too by default, even if you have nothing to do with the guy. You feel good that the guy you picked won, regardless of the reasons you picked him. Its like football. I pick teams to win all the time. When the one I picked wins, I feel good. Same thing here. If my guy beats your guy, Im smarter than you because I knew who would win and I picked him.............. you didnt. You picked the loser guy. Doesnt matter if the guy I picked just ate the still beating heart out of a newborn babies chest....... HE WON AND I PICKED HIM!!! Take off losers.
Yay for me......
(http://www.partyoptions.net/girl/cheer/55321-Rb11.jpg)
The BBS needs a "like" button.
Political candidates should actively campaign against having me vote for them. I am like the kiss of death. Once again, all of the candidates I voted for lost; some narrowly, some by a mile but all that had competition lost. I don't feel much like a loser though, I am used to it. I have been a Buccaneers fan since '76.
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Once again, all of the candidates I voted for lost; some narrowly, some by a mile but all that had competition lost.
You live in Cheshire County. This is your fate until y'all get some State Rep candidates that are both decent and running winnable campaigns. What town are you in again? Winchester? That's Cheshire-4. There are no NHLA-endorsed candidates there :(
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The BBS needs a "like" button.
Political candidates should actively campaign against having me vote for them. I am like the kiss of death. Once again, all of the candidates I voted for lost; some narrowly, some by a mile but all that had competition lost. I don't feel much like a loser though, I am used to it. I have been a Buccaneers fan since '76.
Dude, I can tell you all about voting for the loser. In Illinois, if you vote for anyone other than a full blown statist, your guy is gonna lose. I dont vote much, but if I find someone that really sounds principled (not too often) I'll vote. That guy always loses. Seriously though, I really do think that most voters out there actually think the way I described in my last post.
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Once again, all of the candidates I voted for lost; some narrowly, some by a mile but all that had competition lost.
You live in Cheshire County. This is your fate until y'all get some State Rep candidates that are both decent and running winnable campaigns. What town are you in again? Winchester? That's Cheshire-4. There are no NHLA-endorsed candidates there :(
Or Mark needs to stop voting for candidates and become a candidate hisself. He could take on a Butinski any day of the week.
You got 2 years more... make plans.
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Once again, all of the candidates I voted for lost; some narrowly, some by a mile but all that had competition lost.
You live in Cheshire County. This is your fate until y'all get some State Rep candidates that are both decent and running winnable campaigns. What town are you in again? Winchester? That's Cheshire-4. There are no NHLA-endorsed candidates there :(
Or Mark needs to stop voting for candidates and become a candidate hisself. He could take on a Butinski any day of the week.
You got 2 years more... make plans.
Shit, if he even got CLOSE to looking like he might win, they would bring up his past and twist it all around to make him sound like a monster, mixing fact with emotional content that has no basis in fact, yet cant be considered a lie. Theres nothing sacred in politics and no cheap shot would be unused.
Id give it a try though. See what happens.
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You got 2 years more... make plans.
^this
Mark, you doing any volunteer firefighting, or any other volunteer work these days?
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Once again, all of the candidates I voted for lost; some narrowly, some by a mile but all that had competition lost.
You live in Cheshire County. This is your fate until y'all get some State Rep candidates that are both decent and running winnable campaigns. What town are you in again? Winchester? That's Cheshire-4. There are no NHLA-endorsed candidates there :(
Or Mark needs to stop voting for candidates and become a candidate hisself. He could take on a Butinski any day of the week.
You got 2 years more... make plans.
Shit, if he even got CLOSE to looking like he might win, they would bring up his past and twist it all around to make him sound like a monster, mixing fact with emotional content that has no basis in fact, yet cant be considered a lie. Theres nothing sacred in politics and no cheap shot would be unused.
QFT
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Once again, all of the candidates I voted for lost; some narrowly, some by a mile but all that had competition lost.
You live in Cheshire County. This is your fate until y'all get some State Rep candidates that are both decent and running winnable campaigns. What town are you in again? Winchester? That's Cheshire-4. There are no NHLA-endorsed candidates there :(
Or Mark needs to stop voting for candidates and become a candidate hisself. He could take on a Butinski any day of the week.
You got 2 years more... make plans.
Shit, if he even got CLOSE to looking like he might win, they would bring up his past and twist it all around to make him sound like a monster, mixing fact with emotional content that has no basis in fact, yet cant be considered a lie. Theres nothing sacred in politics and no cheap shot would be unused.
Id give it a try though. See what happens.
Yeah they would dredge all that shit up :(
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they would bring up his past and twist it all around to make him sound like a monster, mixing fact with emotional content that has no basis in fact, yet cant be considered a lie. Theres nothing sacred in politics and no cheap shot would be unused.
Bringing up the fact that someone pled guilty to murder is not a cheap shot. Also, he is a free stater. They wouldn't need to twist anything around.
There is a reason Mark decided against running for Mayor a few years ago.
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I don't think Mark can even legally vote. Can he run for office in a system where he can't vote? I could be wrong about that. Someone verify one way or the other.
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In NH you can vote once released from prison.
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000286
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they would bring up his past and twist it all around to make him sound like a monster, mixing fact with emotional content that has no basis in fact, yet cant be considered a lie. Theres nothing sacred in politics and no cheap shot would be unused.
Bringing up the fact that someone pled guilty to murder is not a cheap shot. Also, he is a free stater. They wouldn't need to twist anything around.
There is a reason Mark decided against running for Mayor a few years ago.
Right, but they would put some crap in the ad like "You dont want a MURDERER elected to public office being around your CHILDREN......................... do you?" - Paid for by so and so statist asshole running against Mark Edgington. "Hi im so and so statist asshole running against Mark Edgington and I approve of this message"
That type of thing.
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You got 2 years more... make plans.
^this
Mark, you doing any volunteer firefighting, or any other volunteer work these days?
What's really funny is that Denis and I think he can win regardless of that handicap. It's the antipolitical folks naysaying, cause they have such high standards of who is electable and who isn't elect.
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You got 2 years more... make plans.
^this
Mark, you doing any volunteer firefighting, or any other volunteer work these days?
What's really funny is that Denis and I think he can win regardless of that handicap. It's the antipolitical folks naysaying, cause they have such high standards of who is electable and who isn't elect.
Seth, We should be listening to them. They have such a great track record of success.
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Dude, they wouldn't even need an ad. It would be nationwide news: "Convicted Murderer and Freestater Runs for Office."
Suggesting Mark does something like this really makes Denis and Seth look more and more like agents provocateurs.
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If the anti-jacking witch lady can win her primary against an ancient incumbent, I think Mark would stand a fine chance running for office.
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If the anti-jacking witch lady can win her primary against an ancient incumbent, I think Mark would stand a fine chance running for office.
The whole masturbation thing seemingly only came out after she was elected.
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Right, but they would put some crap in the ad like "You dont want a MURDERER elected to public office being around your CHILDREN......................... do you?" - Paid for by so and so statist asshole running against Mark Edgington.
If he's known by hundreds of people in the town as a volunteer firefighter, or as the guy who volunteers at the food pantry, etc, and they already know about his past, then that issue is neutralized, and the attacker comes off as a dick. Really.
OTOH, an otherwise nice, intelligent, friendly guy like Andrew C., who is unfortunately mostly known (rightly or wrongly) for being "part of those pot protests"... well, we saw what happened. Fortunately, Andrew has what it takes to reach out and connect with people over the next 2 years. They won't be able to paint him with that brush again.
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt115/lalastarrr/emoticon/th_thlaughing-smiley-007.gif)
We should be listening to them. They have such a great track record of success.
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You got 2 years more... make plans.
^this
Mark, you doing any volunteer firefighting, or any other volunteer work these days?
What's really funny is that Denis and I think he can win regardless of that handicap. It's the antipolitical folks naysaying, cause they have such high standards of who is electable and who isn't elect.
Even if he "has a chance," it practically invites people who hate him and the Free State Project to advertise his past, and I'm not sure that's good for anyone (which is not to say it isn't up to him.)
Right, but they would put some crap in the ad like "You dont want a MURDERER elected to public office being around your CHILDREN......................... do you?" - Paid for by so and so statist asshole running against Mark Edgington.
If he's known by hundreds of people in the town as a volunteer firefighter, or as the guy who volunteers at the food pantry, etc, and they already know about his past, then that issue is neutralized, and the attacker comes off as a dick. Really.
OTOH, an otherwise nice, intelligent, friendly guy like Andrew C., who is unfortunately mostly known (rightly or wrongly) for being "part of those pot protests"... well, we saw what happened. Fortunately, Andrew has what it takes to reach out and connect with people over the next 2 years. They won't be able to paint him with that brush again.
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt115/lalastarrr/emoticon/th_thlaughing-smiley-007.gif)
We should be listening to them. They have such a great track record of success.
Maybe you didn't intend it, but it sounded kinda like "People will elect a convicted murderer, but they won't elect someone implied to be a pothead protester."
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Maybe you didn't intend it, but it sounded kinda like "People will elect a convicted murderer, but they won't elect someone implied to be a pothead protester."
I don't understand what he's getting at either, especially since Mark is involved in FTL and therefore linked to "those evil Keene freak-staters".
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Look, everything I said about the negative press Mark would get if he ran for office was for HIS possible benefit, not really the FSP. If he wants to run for some office and possibly get his name dragged through the mud, I say go for it. Mark would make a great mayor or congressman in my opinoin. Just be prepared for the onslaught of scumbags that would come out of the woodwork to slander him. If anyone thinks that wouldnt be the case, I'd say they are INCREDIBLY naive to the world of dirty politics. Just my opinion, take it or leave it. Seems just mentioning the idea of the consequences on here gets some people on the defensive, ie "wtf do they know?"
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When I run for office, I'll put out my own self-defeating mudslinging ad. LOL.
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When I run for office, I'll put out my own self-defeating mudslinging ad. LOL.
LOLz. Reminds me of the disclaimer at the beginning of South Park:
ALL CHARACTERS AND EVENTS IN THIS SHOW--EVEN THOSE BASED ON REAL PEOPLE--ARE ENTIRELY FICTIONAL. ALL CELEBRITY VOICES ARE IMPERSONATED.....POORLY. THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM CONTAINS COARSE LANGUAGE AND DUE TO ITS CONTENT IT SHOULD NOT BE VIEWED BY ANYONE
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When I run for office, I'll put out my own self-defeating mudslinging ad. LOL.
Seriously, when I get out to NH, im gonna run as a full on statist asshat, complete with pro seatbelt legislation, pro-prohibition, pro-property tax increase, anti-freedom nazi. I'll do it in a place like Keene or something similar where that message has the best chance of winning. Then, if I win, my acceptance speech will consist of little more than "HAAA!!! GOTCHA BITCHES!!!! I LIED MY ASS OFF ABOUT EVERYTHING I RAN ON. HAVE FUN DEALING WITH ME FOR THE NEXT 2 YRS!!!"
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When I run for office, I'll put out my own self-defeating mudslinging ad. LOL.
Kinda like how the wheels off liberty people trash themselves all thetime?
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When I run for office, I'll put out my own self-defeating mudslinging ad. LOL.
Kinda like how the wheels off liberty people trash themselves all thetime?
I am inspired, yes.
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Maybe you didn't intend it, but it sounded kinda like "People will elect a convicted murderer, but they won't elect someone implied to be a pothead protester."
I don't understand what he's getting at either, especially since Mark is involved in FTL and therefore linked to "those evil Keene freak-staters".
Y'all still are not getting it.
These are not politicians you see on TV ads.
These are people who you know in person.
If I know Mark, because I've worked with him at the animal shelter, or my Aunt Gracie has, or we had a BBQ in Mark's back yard over the summer, or at the festival the town library puts on, or I always see him at the corner store, or at the kids' soccer practice, and so on and on and on... I know him.
Now any negative advertising is pointless.
Contrast: Neither I nor anybody else knows who "Sam Dodson" is. Never seen him at the places listed above. First I hear of him, he's on the front page of the paper in handcuffs.
Any negative information from that point forward, people are disposed to believe.
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lol
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Maybe you didn't intend it, but it sounded kinda like "People will elect a convicted murderer, but they won't elect someone implied to be a pothead protester."
I don't understand what he's getting at either, especially since Mark is involved in FTL and therefore linked to "those evil Keene freak-staters".
Y'all still are not getting it.
These are not politicians you see on TV ads.
These are people who you know in person.
If I know Mark, because I've worked with him at the animal shelter, or my Aunt Gracie has, or we had a BBQ in Mark's back yard over the summer, or at the festival the town library puts on, or I always see him at the corner store, or at the kids' soccer practice, and so on and on and on... I know him.
Now any negative advertising is pointless.
Contrast: Neither I nor anybody else knows who "Sam Dodson" is. Never seen him at the places listed above. First I hear of him, he's on the front page of the paper in handcuffs.
Any negative information from that point forward, people are disposed to believe.
Must be a New England thing.
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That's the way it is with any small town, rural community. Politics is a much more personal game.
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Jay is the most gentlemanly person I know.
You've never been stuck in a motel room with him with only one toilet.
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Jay is the most gentlemanly person I know.
You've never been stuck in a motel room with him with only one toilet.
Oh yes, the closet incident.
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http://nhpr.org/free-state-vs-free-keene
Free State vs Free Keene
By Donna Moxley on Wednesday, October 06, 2010
The City of Keene has an image of being---well a little more Vermont than New Hampshire…more liberal than libertarian.
So it’s a little surprising that Keene would be the setting for a series of demonstrations that have drawn attention to the libertarian Free State Project.
But as Keene Sentinel’s Donna Moxley reports, much of the ruckus is coming not from the Free Staters……but from the Free Keeners
Varrin Swearingen moved to Keene as part of the Free State Project.
He wanted to be part of a movement that thought about freedom the way he does.
Swearingen has since become the project’s President and spokesman.
“our goal as an organization is to attract 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, anywhere in NH, not necessarily Keene, and so that’s what I’ve been focusing my efforts on mostly since moving to NH“
Swearingen writes the occasional letter to the editor and he unsuccessfully ran for State Representative as a Republican two years ago.
He has a family, a job as a pilot, and his Christian faith.
His Free State activism focuses almost solely on recruiting new people to come to the state for the Project.
He says the group is more than halfway to the 20,000 member goal.
The Free State Project’s official stance defines freedom as living under a government that, at its maximum, provides protection of life, liberty and property.
The idea essentially is that individuals naturally have rights and freedom, liberty, and that that ought to be protected, and government’s purpose is to protect that, not to violate that for some other social gain like welfare or war, or fill in the blank, it could be anything.
The idea of freedom, unsurprisingly, is open to much debate among the activists.
And Swearingen feels some of the Free Staters are approaching this cause with such zeal that it’s becoming counterproductive.
If you engage in some form of activism, that angers people such that they move in the opposite direction … that is they want more government to take care of some perceived problem, and maybe the perceived problem is caused by those activists, then that is indeed a problem.”
He makes no secret he’s referring to the so-called Free-Keeners.
“There are many FSP participants who aren’t particularly happy with what’s going on in Free Keene, some have been very vocal about that. Some of the more controversial things like bullhorns at the Middle School and the public nudity stuff, and, you know the candelight vigils outside public officials’ homes and whatnot – those kinds of things are pretty provocative and I personally think that’s not the right way to go about things.”
There was also the pot smoking demos in the town square and the challenge to the public drinking rules at City Council meetings.
Those demonstrations involved drinking games in the chambers and resulted in arrests.
The force behind Free Keene is Ian Freeman.
He moved here for the Free State Project from Sarasota, Florida in 2006.
His activism is his job, and includes the Free Keene blog site he created and his radio show, Free Talk Live which airs on several stations across the state.
Freeman’s principles go beyond the Free State Project’s idea of limited government to the point of no government at all.
“I think it’s pretty clear that government is a monopoly on violence and that whatever positive ends they might involve themselves in … there are means that are immoral, that essentially the government coerces people to participate in their process.”
If the ends are so worthy, he says, people shouldn’t have to be forced to help.
Government threatens people and it scares people and it hurts people and so no matter what it does in its ends if its means are corrupt then it’s a problem.
He doesn’t like to call himself an anarchist.
The term has suffered from a century and a half of bad press.
So, he prefers the term “voluntarist.”
He also prefers to be called Ian Freeman, though he was born Ian Bernard.
And Freeman knows people have gotten annoyed at the tactics Free Keeners have used to challenge the status quo.
In fact, local frustration came to a head in August as the group staged its second challenge to the no drinking rules at a city council meeting.
Another group was there to meet them, sporting signs that said “Free Keene from the Free Keene Stigma.”
Café owner James Calloway was one of the counter-protesters.
“They don’t even do what they claim they’re doing most of the time, like whenever the cops show up they’re not really smoking pot, or when they’re doing their drinking game at city council, they’re not actually drinking beer, they’re drinking near-beer, or they’re drinking water … don’t make this stupid little label that says this is not a beer, and drink water. They’re just acting like idiots.”
Since then, there have been signs of civilized discourse.
Heika Courser, a Free Keener arrested for publicly drinking while having her breasts painted, issued a letter of apology to the city council for her behavior.
The Free Keene From the Free Keene Stigma group organized a mixer at a public park and invited the Free Keene group.
And Swearingen, the president of the Free State Project, is still working to recruit more activists to move to NH.
For NHPR News, I’m Donna Moxley in Keene ?
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"Swearingen writes the occasional letter to the editor and he unsuccessfully ran for State Representative as a Republican two years ago."
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"Swearingen writes the occasional letter to the editor and he unsuccessfully ran for State Representative as a Republican two years ago."
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What?
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"Swearingen writes the occasional letter to the editor and he unsuccessfully ran for State Representative as a Republican two years ago."
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What?
I was commenting on the way the writer of the article was portraying V.S.
They might as well have said "V.S. Fights for freedom by writing letters to the editor and running failed political campaigns."
Actually, that's exactly what they said, only spruced up.
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It's kinda interesting, because since the time of that second city council meeting and Mark read my email on the air about me dropping my AMP, I haven't heard much about Keene, besides what's happened in court. I'm sure there's less confrontational activism (such as doing things which are illegal, but shouldn't be--rather than disrupting meetings, etc.) they could be doing, which I'd expect to hear about on FTL, but it's either already changed a lot there, or they're doing a better job of deciding what to cover on the show.
My opinion isn't as negative as Verrin's or Denis'. I don't mind hearing about confrontations between the Free Keene crowd and the bureaucrats, but I'm glad we're no longer hearing on nationwide radio that they're basically being an annoyance. Still, I'd be pleased to hear, from time to time, that people anywhere in New Hampshire are getting attention for living free.
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"Swearingen writes the occasional letter to the editor and he unsuccessfully ran for State Representative as a Republican two years ago."
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What?
I was commenting on the way the writer of the article was portraying V.S.
They might as well have said "V.S. Fights for freedom by writing letters to the editor and running failed political campaigns."
Actually, that's exactly what they said, only spruced up.
But, that's what he's done. It's reporting the facts.
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Meh...doing those things is better than doing nothing, which is what most people do.
I look back on getting arrested twice, and I'm not sure I did anything for liberty in those cases. Maybe on the occasions I refuse searches, I have.
I do feel better, however, about writing letters to the editor, chatting with people in public about liberty (not a tough sell, in Colorado--more often than not, I get not only a polite response, but complete agreement), and going to the State House to testify against legislation.
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Russell Arrested Today
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21417.0;topicseen
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I wonder if there are leftist/socialist groups in NH that hate the liberty activists. Or are there any that still hang out with them during protests
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I wonder if there are leftist/socialist groups in NH that hate the liberty activists.
There are. They call themselves Democrats.
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I wonder if there are leftist/socialist groups in NH that hate the liberty activists.
There are. They call themselves Democrats.
Many of the left wing anarchists hate the right wing ones, even though the right wing anarchists tend to want to work together. I call the self hating anarchists "anarcho-jerks".
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Michael Shanklin What happened to the other FSP page?
about an hour ago · Flag
Joel Shelton The FSP group page is coming up for me. It has over 5,000 members still.
about an hour ago ·
Seth Cohn Michael, George Donnelly deleted it as a spiteful act of childish vandalism.
about an hour ago ·
Chris Case George Donnelly was threatened to remove the page/himself as an admin or have his facebook account to be deleted by the president of the FSP.
Both George Donnelly and the FSP leadership acted childishly.
I don't blame george for deleting the page, the leadership now admins the page. They have what they want. George didn't have his facebook account deleted for maintaining the FSP for 2 years, he got what he wanted.
the FSP no longer has 11k fans, everyone loses. :(
58 minutes ago ·
Free State Project Chris, that's not accurate. George could have (a) posted content in line with the FSP's policies and goals (e.g., the FSP does not take policy positions on specific issues as it is a non profit) and used a more collaborative approach for representing the FSP's image - something on which countless volunteers have spent countless hours - or (b) removed himself as an admin without deleting the page. He did neither. His act was spiteful and childish.
George was approached kindly by the FSP leadership (of which I am not a part) and asked to stop posting things under the auspices of the FSP if those things did not match the FSP's policies and goals. He angrily refused. When the FSP leadership did not back down, he deleted the page.
~ Seth (not the FSP)
47 minutes ago ·
Chris Case I think both parties were at fault here, the FSP could have made an Official fan page, but refused.
I know that some people didn't like what George had posted, but he did maintain the page for 2+ years...
44 minutes ago ·
Free State Project Unfortunately, as indicated above, George Donnelly (creator and maintainer of the former page) deleted the page today. This is the new official FSP page and I am sorry for the inconvenience caused by the deletion of the old page.
I respectfully request that those desiring to further discuss the details of the deletion contact me (Varrin Swearingen here or president at freestateproject dot org) and/or George directly as you see fit. You are also free to contact the rest of the FSP Board if you wish (info on the FSP's organization page). Under the circumstances, I'll happily share as much complete and factual information as I can on request. Unfortunately I no longer have all of the factual information regarding our exchanges due to the page deletion and George's removal of me from his friends list (and maybe deletion of posts on his wall, too?). I don't think it's appropriate to share that information here, though.
Again, I apologize from the disruption and sincerely thank all who have already 'liked' the FSP again so quickly! V-
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Isn't George a Free-Keener? I thought he was one of the proud FK bloggers.
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How many actors in a particular piece of drama have to actually be in NH for it to remain in this thread?
http://georgedonnelly.com/opinion/free-state-project-facebook-page
I Deleted the Free State Project Facebook Page that I Created Because I’m Not Food for Parasites
Edit to add one of the funniest things ever said on the intrawebs:
Sorry Denis, this witch ain't gonna burn.
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Both George Donnelly and the FSP leadership acted childishly.
No offensive, he is a good guy and good activist, but it was all his fault.
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this count as free state drama?
apparently some guy in NH is saying his kids were taken away from him cuz he's an "oathkeeper." and because he might or might not be abusing his wife.
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2010/10/cps-kidnapping-and-persecution-of-oath.html
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this count as free state drama?
apparently some guy in NH is saying his kids were taken away from him cuz he's an "oathkeeper." and because he might or might not be abusing his wife.
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2010/10/cps-kidnapping-and-persecution-of-oath.html
Listen to the show much?
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this count as free state drama?
apparently some guy in NH is saying his kids were taken away from him cuz he's an "oathkeeper." and because he might or might not be abusing his wife.
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2010/10/cps-kidnapping-and-persecution-of-oath.html
Listen to the show much?
honestly I haven't listened to it in about a year
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this count as free state drama?
apparently some guy in NH is saying his kids were taken away from him cuz he's an "oathkeeper." and because he might or might not be abusing his wife.
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2010/10/cps-kidnapping-and-persecution-of-oath.html
Listen to the show much?
honestly I haven't listened to it in about a year
They covered it Friday or Saturday night.
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this count as free state drama?
apparently some guy in NH is saying his kids were taken away from him cuz he's an "oathkeeper." and because he might or might not be abusing his wife.
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2010/10/cps-kidnapping-and-persecution-of-oath.html
Listen to the show much?
honestly I haven't listened to it in about a year
They covered it Friday or Saturday night.
It's also covered twice before in this very thread.
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this count as free state drama?
apparently some guy in NH is saying his kids were taken away from him cuz he's an "oathkeeper." and because he might or might not be abusing his wife.
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2010/10/cps-kidnapping-and-persecution-of-oath.html
Listen to the show much?
honestly I haven't listened to it in about a year
They covered it Friday or Saturday night.
It's also covered twice before in this very thread.
Facebook is going crazy on it too.
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this count as free state drama?
apparently some guy in NH is saying his kids were taken away from him cuz he's an "oathkeeper." and because he might or might not be abusing his wife.
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.com/2010/10/cps-kidnapping-and-persecution-of-oath.html
Listen to the show much?
honestly I haven't listened to it in about a year
They covered it Friday or Saturday night.
It's also covered twice before in this very thread.
Facebook is going crazy on it too.
"Let's drop a stone in this pond and see where the ripples lead us."
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I laft.
I wonder why the FSP has problems getting and keeping volunteers???
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I laft.
I wonder why the FSP has problems getting and keeping volunteers???
Is your name from Boston Blackie? The FSP has problems with bureaucratic leaders, because it has a bureaucracy.
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I always assume it was an homage to the guy that runs Roger's Campground.
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Blackie, cus I bring more drama than General Hospital.
Blackie Parrish was a character on General Hospital, played by John Stamos.
(http://revsongbird.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/24/blackie.jpg)
"Blackie is a street kid that Rick Webber took in. He was always getting into trouble with the law and with Rick's help, he straightened himself out."
[youtube]WyoOjRmKRrk[/youtube]
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Boston Blackie was a guy from an old radio drama. He was a private detective that all the good populace looked up to, he had his own smart detective work, and he made fun of the less-than-brilliant policeman he constantly butted heads with, and was ultimately both an individualistic person and a champion of freedom and justice. He didnt take shit from jerks (the last episode I listened to had him taking the whip from a guy who tortured dogs to get them to do tricks) and was pretty badass.
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How many actors in a particular piece of drama have to actually be in NH for it to remain in this thread?
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Anything vaguely related to FSP drama can go here.
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this count as free state drama?
Luckily, yes. Because Free Staters are supporting them. It also ties into the Facebook drama.
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Boston Blackie was a guy from an old radio drama. He was a private detective that all the good populace looked up to, he had his own smart detective work, and he made fun of the less-than-brilliant policeman he constantly butted heads with, and was ultimately both an individualistic person and a champion of freedom and justice. He didnt take shit from jerks (the last episode I listened to had him taking the whip from a guy who tortured dogs to get them to do tricks) and was pretty badass.
It's also the name of a Chicago restaurant chain that recently went bankrupt and is owned by a family that tried to flee to Canada after arrest warrants were issued for them in a check kiting scheme.
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http://bostonblackie.com/
"Enemy to those who make him an enemy. Friend to those who have no friend."
Boston Blackie isn't afraid of stepping over onto the wrong side of the law. In fact, he's a former jewel thief and safe cracker who knows a lot about crime. But now he's reformed . . . and although he's saddled with a dim-witted sidekick, The Runt, and doggedly pursued by police Inspector Farraday, he always manages to pull himself out of whatever mess he's in at the end.
(http://bostonblackie.com/images/boylebook.jpg)
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http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2010/10/17/news/local/free/id_415916.txt
Suzanne L. Woodward, executive director of festival organization Center Stage, said the selling was happening on city-owned property, and that is why it was shut down.
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Another vendor that was shut down was selling on behalf of the Hundred Nights Shelter. The booth was selling baked goods and drinks, according to Donald R. Primrose, who started the shelter last winter.
Members of Free Keene, a local activist group, were staffing the booth, Primrose said.
http://www.centerstagenh.com/
Center Stage Is Committed To:
• Events focused in our community which pull together our schools, businesses, and nonprofit and service organizations for betterment of all, with an outcome of tremendous community pride.
• Events geared for families with lots of activities for children.
• Events which are free to the public.
• Events which provide vendor opportunities for community nonprofit organizations.
• Events which are 21-goose-bump affairs!
• Events which are top-quality and classy.
Character Traits
Free, family-oriented, educational, community-driven, entertaining, fun, exciting, top-class, high quality, celebratory, 21-goose bump affairs!
Statement of Purpose
To enhance community life through the promotion, support and implementation of high quality community-wide events and programs in downtown Keene.
http://freekeene.com/2010/10/18/police-shut-down-cub-scouts-cotton-candy-booth-and-homeless-shelters-bake-sale/#comments
Comment #11:
I was present when the bake sale volunteers for the homeless shelter were being harassed by the woman from Center Stage productions for selling on “her” street. She seemed oblivious to the fact that she and Center Stage productions, nor the town officials own anybody. She seemed intent on using force and followed through on her threat to call the cops to make them stop helping people.
Shiny badgers give me 21-goose bumps.
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Sounds like she wants a candlelight vigil
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Hmm...as an aside, it looks like the "hearts and minds" in the Keene area haven't quite caved to the ideas of liberty. It appears more like backlash to me. It's not as though I'm surprised....
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Hmm...as an aside, it looks like the "hearts and minds" in the Keene area haven't quite caved to the ideas of liberty. It appears more like backlash to me. It's not as though I'm surprised....
Wait, did you just seriously try to take a swipe because a shiny-badger remains unconvinced of a voluntary, non-hierarchical society?
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Like It or Not, Free Staters Plan to “Liberate” You
By Pam Martens
On the morning of Friday, February 27, 2004, at the Washington D.C. corporate headquarters of the free market think thank, the American Enterprise Institute, a far-fetched plan was carefully rolled out to the national media. The key speaker at the event was Jason Sorens, founder of the Free State Project.
http://www.counterpunch.org/martens10192010.html
In her latest smear piece (today), Martens now complains that "Americans for Prosperity" opposes Florida's Amendment 4:
"United4NoOn4.com (kill Amendment 4 in Florida that would give voters more say in local legislative decisions; an ironic position for people who say they want to promote more liberty)"
Like many libertarians, she too suffers from the Democratic conceit that LOCAL tyranny by a Majority of the Local ShitHeads is better than Federal or State tyranny.
She also complains about the Free Keeners:
"... standing topless in the quaint town square; holding a bag of marijuana in front of the police with the intent of getting arrested, to challenge drug laws; pretending to drink alcohol in city council meetings to press for drinking in public places; holding “School Sucks” signs at the public middle school to challenge taxation for “government” education; chanting outside of the private homes of a police officer and sitting judge..."
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Hmm...as an aside, it looks like the "hearts and minds" in the Keene area haven't quite caved to the ideas of liberty. It appears more like backlash to me. It's not as though I'm surprised....
Wait, did you just seriously try to take a swipe because a shiny-badger remains unconvinced of a voluntary, non-hierarchical society?
no
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Pam's article looks like one a child would write about a book he was forced to read, but didn't.
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[youtube]3Bzuwdrd9Wg[/youtube]
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Video posted here.
17 months old. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw3XuUm4HSc
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Video posted here.
17 months old. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw3XuUm4HSc
Yes, quite old. He says he should be in NH, however he clearly has built quite the life in Vegas.
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Video posted here.
17 months old. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw3XuUm4HSc
Yes, quite old. He says he should be in NH, however he clearly has built quite the life in Vegas.
Yeah I liked his old rant show better. His new show sucks. I think the reason why he's not in NH yet is his show out in Vegas. I'm betting when him and Teller retire, he'll move.
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Video posted here.
17 months old. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw3XuUm4HSc
Yes, quite old. He says he should be in NH, however he clearly has built quite the life in Vegas.
Yeah I liked his old rant show better. His new show sucks. I think the reason why he's not in NH yet is his show out in Vegas. I'm betting when him and Teller retire, he'll move.
I dont know. He doesnt seem like the retiree type. He does what he loves, and his family is there with him too building their lives. I am a huge Penn and Teller fan but however much I hope they would move, I'd bet against it.
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http://mobile.boston.com/art/30/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2010/11/02/issues_run_the_gamut_in_nh_governors_race/?single=1
Lynch wins historic 4th consecutive term as NH gov
Norma Love, Associated Press /
Nov 2, 2010
Moderate Democratic Gov. John Lynch overcame an anti-incumbent groundswell Tuesday to defeat conservative Republican John Stephen for a fourth consecutive two-year term as New Hampshire’s governor.
Lynch will be the longest-serving governor in New Hampshire since colonial times. The last governor to serve longer than six consecutive years was John Gilman, who served from 1794-1805 after being elected to consecutive one-year terms. Governor’s terms changed to two years around 1870, and no one has won four consecutive terms since then.
Lynch survived one of his toughest re-election tests since taking office in 2004. Stephen attempted to capitalize on voter unrest by promising to cut state spending without raising taxes.
Stephen claimed Lynch’s mismanagement would leave an $800 million budget deficit for the next governor to fix. Stephen also appealed to businesses, promising to cut their taxes after he balanced the budget. He said he would veto all new spending measures.
Stephen was bolstered by anti-Lynch television ads paid for by the National Organization for Marriage and Cornerstone action. They spent hundreds of thousands of dollars attacking Lynch for signing a law last year legalizing gay marriage. Two years earlier, Lynch signed a civil unions law granting the same privileges and responsibilities of marriage to gays, but not the name.
Stephen opposes abortion and gay marriage and said he would sign a bill repealing a gay marriage law.
Lynch, a millionaire businessman turned politician, countered that he could produce a balanced budget with spending cuts and a moderate growth in state revenues. He pointed out that he and the Democratic-controlled Legislature used a mix of spending cuts, potential land sales and borrowing to balance the budget in 2010 and leave the state with a projected $70 million surplus.
Lynch consistently defused a potent Republican issue by pledging to veto any general sales or personal income tax in a state that has neither.
Stephen also criticized Lynch for signing a law requiring prison inmates to be released nine months before the end of their sentences so they could be supervised. Crime victims asked for the new law to monitor felons once they leave prison.
Stephen said the law made no exceptions for violent and sex offenders from being released early. He also criticized the law for setting a 90-day limit on the time that parole violators spend in prison.
Lynch insisted it is better to supervise the inmates than simply let them walk out the door. He also said he is monitoring the new law to see what, if any, adjustments are needed.
Lynch then criticized Stephen for his decision as Health and Human Services commissioner to let some felons be foster parents.
Stephen changed the rules in 2004 to let social workers decide if someone would make a good foster parent even if he or she had a criminal record. Stephen said anyone convicted of a violent crime or a crime against a child would still be banned, but the old policy was too strict.
Lynch also criticized Stephen, a former prosecutor, for seeking a pardon for a convicted arsonist and for refusing to fire from his 2002 congressional campaign a worker who was accused of stalking.
Lynch, 57, of Hopkinton, won the first of his three two-year terms as governor in 2004 when he unseated an unpopular Republican governor by promising to restore integrity to government.
Lynch is a native of Waltham, Mass. Before his 2004 election, he was president of a Manchester consulting firm, The Lynch Group. Prior to that, he was an admissions director of Harvard Business School and president and chief executive of Knoll Inc., a Pennsylvania furniture company. He has degrees from the University of New Hampshire, Harvard Business School and Georgetown University Law Center.
Stephen, 48, of Manchester, is no newcomer to politics. He twice failed to win his party’s nomination in the 1st Congressional District. This was his first attempt to win the governor’s seat.
Libertarian John Babiarz of Grafton also was on the ballot.
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That isnt Drama. At least give us the TL;DR version if it has any drama in it.
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Wall of Text? TL;DR? I have images for both of those cases.
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Lynch won. He is opposed to any Income or Sales tax. He was opposed to the seat belt law (though he wouldn't veto it). He was for gay marriage.
Could be a lot worse IMO. I'm glad John Stephen (the Republican) didn't win. Guy is a former prosecutor. :shock:
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Lynch won. He is opposed to any Income or Sales tax. He was opposed to the seat belt law (though he wouldn't veto it). He was for gay marriage.
Could be a lot worse IMO. I'm glad John Stephen (the Republican) didn't win. Guy is a former prosecutor. :shock:
Rumors go around on these issues. Lynch may have vetoed a primary seat belt law but not a secondary law. He may have been against gay marriage but decided to go with the will of the people.
Stephen would likely make a better governor.
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Stephen would likely make a better governor.
Disagree.
Former prosecutor.
'nuff said.
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Wait, are you telling me all the bragging about how NH doesn't have a seat belt law is over? You mean the FSP members there have allowed them to pass a seat belt law?
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Wait, are you telling me all the bragging about how NH doesn't have a seat belt law is over? You mean the FSP members there have allowed them to pass a seat belt law?
No, I stopped that. Actually, Lynch may have vetoed it anyway, but we stopped it in the State Senate. It certainly won't pass in the next 4 fours, don't worry. I've got that covered. Maybe in 4 years you will be in NH and I can pass on the responsibility of preventing the evil law to you?
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Wait, are you telling me all the bragging about how NH doesn't have a seat belt law is over? You mean the FSP members there have allowed them to pass a seat belt law?
No, I stopped that. Actually, Lynch may have vetoed it anyway, but we stopped it in the State Senate. It certainly won't pass in the next 4 fours, don't worry. I've got that covered. Maybe in 4 years you will be in NH and I can pass on the responsibility of preventing the evil law to you?
Get me an $95k software job with expenses and my own clock, and I'll see what I can do.
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Grafton Drama.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21519.msg329158#msg329158
Jay Boucher physically assaulted me yesterday. Details are in the video.
Jay Boucher assaulted me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBcrbzkmv4E#)
I'm posting this as ostracism. I think people he deals with should know how he behaves and should decide to act accordingly with him.
[youtube]OBcrbzkmv4E[/youtube]
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Grafton Drama....
Barsky looks pretty good in this. The only question I have is regarding the lesson to learn. Was there anything Barsky could have done better? Could he have left when Boucher demanded and used some other form of communication (maybe continuing to try to contact him and post on forums if he continued to be ignored?)
I don't know, but I do think it was unreasonable for Boucher to both refuse to answer his seemingly reasonable question and force him off the property. It's not like he didn't have the "right" to behave the way he did (in the video) but it makes him look pretty bad. These are the sorts of things we're going to have to work our way through in a stateless society--learning how to resolve conflict without using other "services" (which in a stateless society can still unnecessarily cost us time, frustration and money, etc., but at least we would be empowered to change.)
PS: Shouldn't Boucher have expected to be treated even more harshly, since he trespassed, obviously without permission, and at least temporarily, stoll the property of Barsky?
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Grafton Drama....
Barsky looks pretty good in this.
You gotta wonder, what is the past history between him and this Boucher guy. The way Boucher barely even looked up, makes it seem like maybe its the ten millionth time Barskey annoyed him and now he has no more patience for it.
I suspect neither of them are exactly a box of bon-bons
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Obviously a misunderstanding, and when mixed with both parties probably having Asperger's tendencies (myself included...lol, freedom people) something like this doesn't surprise me.
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Obviously a misunderstanding, and when mixed with both parties probably having Asperger's tendencies (myself included...lol, freedom people) something like this doesn't surprise me.
The part of the "misunderstanding" where a guy walks onto the property of another and steals, then abuses someone when they come for an explanation, looks a little one-sided. It seemed rather obvious he was on video...I'm surprised he didn't say a word in his defense, even while he was hitting Barskey. I'll feel otherwise perhaps sometime after he indicates otherwise.
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I'll feel otherwise perhaps sometime after he indicates otherwise.
http://www.graftonforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=83.msg509#msg509
I posted this on the YouTube site, but here it is again, with some minor edits:
I'm generally patient when people don't get principles of liberty. I generally think there is hope for everyone to learn something.
This is not the first time that Mike has come onto someone else's property and been told to leave and refused to do so. (There are some folks who will use lethal force to remove unwanted people from their property).
Mike got all up in arms claiming he was "aggressed upon" when Babiarz did not leave his property, but then once in Utah, and now here, Mike is the one aggressing! He was asked to leave several times, and refused to do so. Even after he was physically asked to leave, he stood there and INSTIGATED, CHALLENGED, purposefully inciting more aggression. "I'm waiting to see what you're going to do to me." Why isn't Mike turning around and leaving right then and there? He'd already been asked to leave multiple times, forcing the hand of an otherwise peaceful person to resort to defense of his property. "I'm going to ask Lloyd if I can be here." Why, Mike? So you can purposefully antagonize and incite more violence?
This is the second time, Mike, when you and you alone were purposefully choosing to violate property rights and incite violence. But then you made a big huge deal made about the "HORROR" of your campfire being put out, when it was the State forcing the actions of those people.
There are things I still get wrong. When it's pointed out to me, I don't stomp my feet, have a temper tantrum, and un-friend folks. Generally speaking, I do attempt to learn more about the principles of liberty. This being the second time and generally speaking the same thing happening, will you step back and take a look at what you've done twice now from the perspective of someone not in your shoes?
Jay's actions were justified. You were on his job site and were asked to leave. An honorable person would have left, NOT attempted to "get around" Jay's request on some "technicality" by asking Lloyd/Bob to stay.
I want to further point out that, by audio and video recording Jay, Bill, and John on private property without their knowledge or consent what you were doing is "wiretapping" in this State. None of them are public officials and even if they were, none of them were performing any public duties. So you've now posted your own evidence against yourself in a court action, should Merle or Jay or John or Bill chose to pursue such an action. Way to go.
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You know that's Ivy's post. Who trusts her?
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You know that's Ivy's post. Who trusts her?
Oh. I thought it was the guy who gave multiple fair warnings before evicting with force.
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You know that's Ivy's post. Who trusts her?
Oh. I thought it was the guy who gave multiple fair warnings before evicting with force.
No, she's part of the Grafton asshole libertarian cabal. The Walkers, Babiarz, this guy.
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You know that's Ivy's post. Who trusts her?
Oh. I thought it was the guy who gave multiple fair warnings before evicting with force.
No, she's part of the Grafton asshole libertarian cabal. The Walkers, Babiarz, this guy.
She didn't say jack shit to defend the theft, or the fact that he wouldn't answer to it, either.
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I don't think they've had much previous interaction at all other than he was one of the "firemen" who showed up with Babiarz to dump a shitload of chemicals on a thin layer of hot coals on Barskey's lot.
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Mr. Walker and Babiarz are good people. You are taking all of this too seriously. People have trouble communicating at times. It doesn't make then assholes.
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Mr. Walker and Babiarz are good people. You are taking all of this too seriously. People have trouble communicating at times. It doesn't make then assholes.
If one person has trouble communicating with multiple others, would that make the person an asshole?
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Mr. Walker and Babiarz are good people. You are taking all of this too seriously. People have trouble communicating at times. It doesn't make then assholes.
If one person has trouble communicating with multiple others, would that make the person an asshole?
No. It means they could use help with their communication skills. This is true for myself, Mike, Mr Walker, Babiarz, Boner and so on. It is pretty common. I blame DDR.
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I blame DDR.
BLASPHEMY!
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woo hoo drama!! it's been so long!! he he he
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Mr. Walker and Babiarz are good people. You are taking all of this too seriously. People have trouble communicating at times. It doesn't make then assholes.
If one person has trouble communicating with multiple others, would that make the person an asshole?
No. It means they could use help with their communication skills. This is true for myself, Mike, Mr Walker, Babiarz, Boner and so on. It is pretty common. I blame DDR.
*cries* That isn't true. What did DDR ever do to you?
I'll rephrase my question though. If 1 person seems to have several dozen others mad at him, and he's claiming "communication issues", but somehow everyone else he comes into contact with thinks he's an asshole, is he an asshole? I'm not trying to talk about either of the people you mentioned above, as my interactions with one were incredibly limited (Like 15 minutes) and non-existent with the other.
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There are levels of asshole.
Every libertarian knows this.
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If 1 person seems to have several dozen others mad at him, and he's claiming "communication issues", but somehow everyone else he comes into contact with thinks he's an asshole, is he an asshole?
I guess so. Have an example?
Like Max or something? I don't even think he is an asshole though.
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Like Max or something? I don't even think he is an asshole though.
He doesn't try to be.
I will give him that.
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He doesn't try to be.
He's a natural. It's effortless for him.
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He doesn't try to be.
He's a natural. It's effortless for him.
Actually, after posting it, I'm going to have to retract that statement.
I can just think of too many cases where.... yeah. He had to be trying.
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Being well-spoken doesn't make anyone less of an asshole. Self-absorbed, thoughtless and self-righteous is all you need. Traits that are pretty common in these parts. When an asshole is complaining about lack of communication what they mean is that they are pissed off that other people are not buying into their bullshit.
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When an asshole is complaining about lack of communication what they mean is that they are pissed off that other people are not buying into their bullshit.
What if someone is complaining that people aren't organized enough and calls a bunch of meetings and no one wants to go to their meetings?
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When an asshole is complaining about lack of communication what they mean is that they are pissed off that other people are not buying into their bullshit.
What if someone is complaining that people aren't organized enough and calls a bunch of meetings and no one wants to go to their meetings?
Then they need to buy more beer.
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When an asshole is complaining about lack of communication what they mean is that they are pissed off that other people are not buying into their bullshit.
What if someone is complaining that people aren't organized enough and calls a bunch of meetings and no one wants to go to their meetings?
Are we talking about Max or that schmuck Dale Everett? Now that guy is completely obtuse.
He has made his views on some subjects like the lack of organization known. I'm sure he's of the belief that all that is needed is that everyone should enlist in his own private movement and follow plan he approves. The fact that people do not agree with him has nothing to do with the fact that his ideas are generally stupid and everything to do with the fact that other people are too stupid to see his genius. He fancies that he should be the leader of the movement. He's self-absorbed.
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Actually I was talking about someone else completely and he probably doesn't read this so it was wasted effort.
WTF you talking about? I hate meetings. I sure as Hell don't wanna lead anyone. I usually stay out of the stuph that involves people leading other people in an organized fashion.
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that schmuck Dale Everett? Now that guy is completely obtuse.
No fair. He's been losing weight.
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Being well-spoken doesn't make anyone less of an asshole. Self-absorbed, thoughtless and self-righteous is all you need. Traits that are pretty common in these parts. When an asshole is complaining about lack of communication what they mean is that they are pissed off that other people are not buying into their bullshit.
"You fail to understand" a la Obama.
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Being well-spoken doesn't make anyone less of an asshole. Self-absorbed, thoughtless and self-righteous is all you need.
This. I'll take an ill-mannered but truly well-intentioned person over a polite cocksucker any day.
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Max is a great guy who never lies and always makes sure that honesty comes before his desire to make Seabrook into a Free Town.
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http://freeconcord.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/two-arrests-made-in-war-on-chalk/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5m2Du8eDgc
[youtube]H5m2Du8eDgc[/youtube]
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"Chalking" is no better for "winning the hearts and minds" than spray painting graffiti. People don't care if "it can be washed off." It still looks like getto trash. No, I don't support arresting people for it, but I certainly understand the sentiment.
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That's some impressive flexibility on the part of "the Emperor" there.
I'd be crying like a little bitch if you pulled my hand up to the back of my neck.
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You're insane. Chalking is not like spray paint. No one but an asshole would see it as such
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"Chalking" is no better for "winning the hearts and minds" than spray painting graffiti.
That will depend on the video's success. Hardly anyone will see the chalking directly. It's more about what happened in response to the chalking.
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Whose the chick in white? She's annoying. She's one of those bat-shit insane chicks isn't she.
The one cop is funny.
'I'm exercising my authority'.
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Around here there are chalkings everywhere due to a college campus being prominent. I see mostly its the Christian groups that do that. The school officially has more than a dozen of them registered (which is an insane amount).
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You're insane. Chalking is not like spray paint. No one but an asshole would see it as such
It's just as fucking ugly as spray paint, and some asshole has to wash it off...and make up your mind...am I insane or an asshole? I know which you are.
"Chalking" is no better for "winning the hearts and minds" than spray painting graffiti.
That will depend on the video's success. Hardly anyone will see the chalking directly. It's more about what happened in response to the chalking.
Yeah, that's why I said I don't support the response...but a lot of people are gonna say "the fuckers deserve it," and while I disagree, I understand the sentiment.
Around here there are chalkings everywhere due to a college campus being prominent. I see mostly its the Christian groups that do that. The school officially has more than a dozen of them registered (which is an insane amount).
...and around slums, I see stuff on walls and grocery carts on the sidewalks, etc., too...
Maybe we should just get used to property being defaced.
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You're insane. Chalking is not like spray paint. No one but an asshole would see it as such
Lol, I am sooo glad I did not move to NH. Chalking up sidewalks looks like shit. You people are idiots. Keep stick'n to the man! This shit is funny.
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So, freeconcord.org
Glad I don't live in Concord anymore.
The guy who runs freeconcord is not a FSPer, he's an "activated native", but he's rapidly earning the title "fuckstick"
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Whose the chick in white? She's annoying. She's one of those bat-shit insane chicks isn't she.
That's Brooke Kelly. I think she's already in the EB thread.
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Whose the chick in white? She's annoying. She's one of those bat-shit insane chicks isn't she.
That's Brooke Kelly. I think she's already in the EB thread.
Why do you think it's Brooke? It isn't her. Also, why you down on the guy that created that website? He is a nice guy.
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Why do you think it's Brooke?
My mistake.
Also, why you down on the guy that created that website? He is a nice guy.
I used to be his neighbor, I know him & his mom really well.
I shut him down because FreeConcord looks a lot like FreeKeene, and because he is adopting the condescending play-stupid tactics I see from FreeKeeners ("can you explain what exactly your concerns are about these tactics?")
I have zero tolerance for it. He's on my spamfilter now.
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So about Meg Mclain/smeg
How does she make money? She doesn't seem to work a "regular" job.
I know she has that http://libertyflair.com/ thing going on, but I assume that doesn't make much money. I thought Sam was supporting her for a while, and even loaned her money to get the button machine for liberty flair.
She was recently in Florida for a vacation, so I assume she has some way to make money.
But she must not have much money, because she needed to take donations to buy a return ticket to NH when she missed her flight because she didn't submit to the security screening.
Is the Keene Activist Center Meg's apartment?
http://www.facebook.com/KeeneActivistCenter
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=4049.45
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You sure seem to have a lot of questions about her income. My guess is she freelances as an artist.
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Is blackie stalking smeg? Blackie, she isn't worth it. Also, don't you have a wife?
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(http://www.shackpics.com/download.x?file=nstuff_xee6x37r0cy7bp2j0xjh.jpg)
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You sure seem to have a lot of questions about her income. My guess is she freelances as an artist.
Or maybe she's a whore.
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You sure seem to have a lot of questions about her income. My guess is she freelances as an artist.
Or maybe she's a whore.
We are all whores, it is just an issue of price.
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We are all whores, it is just an issue of price.
I have a sliding scale based on looks and gender.
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We are all whores, it is just an issue of price.
I have a sliding scale based on looks and gender.
My pediatrician used to call it his "thermometer".
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You sure seem to have a lot of questions about her income. My guess is she freelances as an artist.
Or maybe she's a whore.
We are all whores, it is just an issue of price.
No price is good enough for me, I get it for free and I give it for free.
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You sure seem to have a lot of questions about her income. My guess is she freelances as an artist.
Or maybe she's a whore.
We are all whores, it is just an issue of price.
It's a "truthy" saying, but reduces the word to no meaning at all. If any meaning is to be restored to the word, it gets applied to people "in the practice," as opposed to people who "can be bought."*
* This should not be construed as any opinion about Meg. It's all about the term.
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about a month old, and the audio sucks.
Ian takes a "guilty" finding in District Court for 3 misdemeanor charges in New Hampshire. He will immediately appeal all of them to a jury trial at the Superior Court. Watch for updates at FreeKeene.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/GloriousCoconut#p/u/6/d7JwitQnbiY
[youtube]d7JwitQnbiY[/youtube]
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Ian takes a "guilty" finding in District Court for 3 misdemeanor charges
What were the charges?
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It was a bunch of stuff.
sitting on a cop car
drinking game at the city council meeting
driving around with "Shire" plates
If I heard correctly, he got a year and half in the clink, with all but 60 days of that suspended if he is a good little boy.
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when do the 60 days start?
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After he exhausts the appeal process.
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After he exhausts the appeal process.
Does it sound like he'll get away with the "giving money to charity" angle?
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Notice how he literally is the only one not dressed like a Gangster in that footage. No, not just a government goon, but an actual gangster. Suits and ties and striking poses and all that.
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After he exhausts the appeal process.
Does it sound like he'll get away with the "giving money to charity" angle?
That only works for fines. He was sentenced to jail time.
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After he exhausts the appeal process.
Does it sound like he'll get away with the "giving money to charity" angle?
That only works for fines. He was sentenced to jail time.
Maybe he can offer to donate his 60 days and put little orphan kids in jail in his place for charity. Ya know, give em a place to stay, call it "Three Hots and a Cot for Tots"?, or THACT for short.(government just loves its little acronyms) I bet the judge could hook up something like that.
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Max Abramson, displaying a special kind of "class"
http://www.wmur.com/news/26260814/detail.html
FWIW, he got himself ejected from the NHLA earlier this year -- for, among other things, claiming to speak on behalf of the organization (which he's not authorized to) and making threatening statements to various public figures.
Drama King.
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Max Abramson, displaying a special kind of "class"
http://www.wmur.com/news/26260814/detail.html
FWIW, he got himself ejected from the NHLA earlier this year -- for, among other things, claiming to speak on behalf of the organization (which he's not authorized to) and making threatening statements to various public figures.
Drama King.
So Ian is getting thrown in the klink?
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Freak Seabrookers go home?
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Freak Seabrookers go home?
Yep. Pretty much. Of course it would be a lot more interesting to know the rest of the story.
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Max Abramson, displaying a special kind of "class"
http://www.wmur.com/news/26260814/detail.html
FWIW, he got himself ejected from the NHLA earlier this year -- for, among other things, claiming to speak on behalf of the organization (which he's not authorized to) and making threatening statements to various public figures.
Drama King.
I like the charge "unauthorized use of firearms."
hmm...doesn't look like there's any danger of freedom breaking out any time soon....
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2011 Liberty Forum cancelled (http://freestateproject.org//libertyforum).
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Wow...as I said, it's bad, but I didn't know it was that bad!
</sarcasm>
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"CANCELLED - MORE DETAILS TO FOLLOW SHORTLY"
Um, there are no details. They should probably get rid of the "more" and add some kind of explanation. And maybe a "sorry".
Maybe they should just cancel the FSP while they are at it.
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...what?
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They didn't sell enough tickets to cover the costs of the event. If not enough tickets were sold then the FSP would be liable to pay for it. So instead of going bankrupt they called it off.
Isn't there a new group of people in charge of planning it this year?
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One more nail in the coffin.
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The tickets were on sale for what, two weeks? And for only the full package. Please...
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The tickets were on sale for what, two weeks? And for only the full package. Please...
Yeah, those were my thoughts. They had hardly started advertising it.
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Most people don't even think about things like this until after the holidays. The FSP are just being whiny twats.
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I don't understand why they didn't say something a few weeks before canceling it. They should have put out a warning that if they didn't sell enough tickets or get donations to cover the cost they would have to cancel it.
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Sounds like some passive aggressive shit to me.
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Pick one:
a) Naomi Wolfe
b) Koch funding
Your selection has been registered. Naomi Wolfe will be disinvitenated.
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I don't understand why they didn't say something a few weeks before canceling it. They should have put out a warning that if they didn't sell enough tickets or get donations to cover the cost they would have to cancel it.
They sent out an email on the 17th announcing the early bird packakge. One week, before fucking Christmas when everyone's busy, and they're ready to give up? There's more to this story.
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Just to make this real clear to those of you (Ian) whose business, and I mean that quite literally, is to create drama: The FSP is not bankrupt.
More details later... I really am too busy today to flesh it all out but I will
early next week.
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Interesting. Perhaps they posted about this now to try and get it under peoples radar during the holidays? If so, they failed. Staying tuned, although it hardly affects me personally.
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Interesting. Perhaps they posted about this now to try and get it under peoples radar during the holidays?
No. They did this now because yesterday was the last day to cancel without incurring thousands of dollars in charges from the hotel for not meeting the minimum number of room reservations.
Also... anyone that complains about it being canceled, chances are you didn't buy a ticket. Amirite?
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Also... anyone that complains about it being canceled, chances are you didn't buy a ticket. Amirite?
Umm, I was going to buy a ticket, but not the whole package again. I was seriously going to make hotel reservations and then I heard the news. A fucking week, man.
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If only there were some sort of business entity that purchased expected future revenue streams to provide working capital.
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There is, its called a bank.
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Post from Keith in 5...
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Just to make this real clear to those of you (Ian) whose business, and I mean that quite literally, is to create drama: The FSP is not bankrupt.
He lies. Some definitions of bankrupt fit.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bankrupt
bank·rupt (bngkrpt, -rpt)
n.
1. Law A debtor that, upon voluntary petition or one invoked by the debtor's creditors, is judged legally insolvent. The debtor's remaining property is then administered for the creditors or is distributed among them.
2. A person who is totally lacking in a specified resource or quality: an intellectual bankrupt.
adj.
1.
a. Having been legally declared financially insolvent.
b. Financially ruined; impoverished.
2.
a. Depleted of valuable qualities or characteristics: a morally and ethically bankrupt politician.
b. Totally depleted; destitute: was bankrupt of new ideas.
c. Being in a ruined state:
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If only there were some sort of business entity that purchased expected future revenue streams to provide working capital.
Love the avatar. Especially the hat with card part.
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Post from Keith in 5...
I just got back from Jason's a couple hours ago. I don't really have much to say. I agree with you that blackie was being passive aggressive.
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Post from Keith in 5...
I just got back from Jason's a couple hours ago. I don't really have much to say. I agree with you that blackie was being passive aggressive.
I didn't say that Blackie was being passive aggressive.
I was saying that canceling the thing without an immediate explanation forthcoming sounds like someone is butthurt and passive aggressive.
"Hey gang, sorry but we didn't get enough signups to be able to pay for the venue this time. We may have to cancel or find cheaper digs" would have been much better and less like spin control. (Or whatever direct and honest explanation fits the situation.)
Was the meat tasty?
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Was the meat tasty?
The beef brisket was particularly flavorful.
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If only there were some sort of business entity that purchased expected future revenue streams to provide working capital.
Love the avatar. Especially the hat with card part.
Thanks. Between the meth and Gillette, that's almost exactly what I look like in a top hat. :D
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baldie
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fascist
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I'm not sure why this isn't on the front page of the FSP website.
http://varrin.livejournal.com/106660.html
Liberty Forum Cancellation
Dec. 27th, 2010 @ 11:12 am
To Participants and Friends of the Free State Project:
It is with sadness, both personally and on behalf of the Free State Project, that I announce the cancellation of the February 2011 New Hampshire Liberty Forum. I was looking forward to this 5th annual Liberty Forum and I know some of you were, too.
It fell to me to make the difficult decision to cancel the event, and it falls to me to announce its cancellation now, so I feel it is also appropriate that I provide a brief explanation as to why it was best to cancel this upcoming Liberty Forum. I would also like to provide a bit of encouragement about the Free State Project itself.
In 2006, the Free State Project decided to launch a second annual event, a more formal hotel convention in the winter time to contrast our casual summer social event, the Porcupine Freedom Festival. This was a potentially huge risk for the Free State Project given our tiny budget and all-volunteer structure. Despite that, the first New Hampshire Liberty Forum in 2007 was an unprecedented success. Since then, it has grown into one of the most highly respected events in the libertarian community.
Each year's Liberty Forum has represented a significant portion of the Free State Project's budget and volunteer effort. With that comes significant risk. Each year, we have had to carefully assess, all throughout the planning process, what the impact of the event will be on the Free State Project. As we have met important milestones along the way, including ticket sales, we have continued onto a successful event. This year, the planning process did not yield the same results.
The organizational effort for this year's event got a late start, and even later momentum. The existence of several competing events made securing speakers, including a keynote, difficult. The lead organizer decided to hold off on ticket sales until after the keynote was announced. In November, a keynote was selected but unexpectedly backed out. By the time a replacement was secured, it was early-December. Given the very late start, the expectation was that ticket sales would be brisk.
The keynote was announced, as well as numerous other presenters, and ticket sales began. Instead of catching up, the pace of sales indicated we were getting further behind. Though the responses from potential attendees sounded positive, those responses did not translate into actual ticket sales. This past weekend began a period of ever increasing financial obligations leading up to the event. The ticket sales, compared with previous years, were dramatically lower.
In the worst case scenario, the financial results of a poorly attended Liberty Forum could have been catastrophic to the Free State Project. The available data indicated we could be heading in that direction. Other organizations have experienced significant difficulty, even risking extinction, after continuing under similar circumstances. Taking that risk on behalf of the Free State Project did not appear to be a wise decision under these circumstances. Canceling the event ensures that the Free State Project remains healthy, particularly financially, so that we can try again in the future.
It would be easy to blame the event's lead organizer, the Free State Project's organization, me, the economy, the speaker lineup, the other competing events, and so on. In reality, all of those factors likely contributed to slow sales which brought us to where we are now.
Indeed, the Free State Project organization itself – the Board, myself, and the Liberty Forum organization – played a variety of parts in things not going well this time around. For that, and on behalf of all who contributed to this let down, I apologize with all the sincerity I can muster. As the person who initiated the event years ago, it is not just an organizational disappointment but a personal one, too.
That said, without the Free State Project, and specifically the organization that stewards the idea behind it, the first four installments of the New Hampshire Liberty Forum would never have happened. In fact, while some things can be done by individuals on their own, Liberty Forum has, from the beginning, been an excellent example of what can be accomplished when an organized group of libertarians pursue a common goal.
We, as an organization, now have an opportunity before us which we have not had for several years. Without the organizational burden of Liberty Forum tying up our attention, we can focus on other forms of outreach – social media promotion, advertising, representing at other groups' events, presenting an accurate and positive image in the media, and so on.
We also continue to prepare for the 2011 Porcupine Freedom Festival... and before you ask, I do anticipate that event to go on as planned. It is a fraction of the cost of Liberty Forum and hundreds have already indicated they're attending some six months in advance.
We now have time to decide if and when to hold the next New Hampshire Liberty Forum. At this moment, I don't have any specific news to announce regarding a future Liberty Forum, but some have already hinted at a heroic effort for late 2011 or early 2012. Should we do so, I expect those planning it will benefit from what we've learned this time around and prepare an event that, once again, sets the standard for all other pro-liberty conventions to live up to.
While I am taking the time to write, I should also note that the overall news regarding the Free State Project is overwhelmingly positive. Officially, almost 900 of our over 10,000 participants now live in New Hampshire, though the real number is likely over 1,000 by now. Those people have demonstrated two things which prove the Free State Project can work and, indeed, is working:
1.They have proven that there are hundreds, even thousands, of people who value freedom highly enough to uproot themselves and move to New Hampshire to work together with others to preserve it. Hundreds of actual movers turned what was once just a neat idea on the internet into a real, and quite legitimate, movement.
2.They have proven that, once moving, they can actually be effective at increasing the level of freedom for all of the citizens of New Hampshire. Because of the actions of Free State Project participants, New Hampshire homeschoolers have a lower regulatory burden than before, New Hampshire's adults remain free to make responsible decisions about seatbelt use, New Hampshire taxpayers pay lower taxes than they would have otherwise, and New Hampshire citizens have increased freedom to carry or sell common types of knives.
While these accomplishments are important and demonstrate the viability of the Free State Project, we have not yet arrived at a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of peoples' rights to life, liberty, and property. All Free State Project participants agree to work towards that common goal and we're clearly making progress. We look forward to taking many more steps towards Liberty in our Lifetime.
We hope you'll join us in our efforts. Success doesn't come free or without hard work. We continue to need two important contributions in order to effectively attract more new participants to the Free State Project: money, and volunteers.
Our financial needs are a fraction of other organizations. In our entire history, we've spent less than many well-known organizations spend in a year, or even a quarter. The return on that investment is enormous: nearly 1,000 effective activists working towards freedom in a single state. No other organization has ever provided that kind of return at any price, never mind the shoestring we operate on. Nevertheless, we do have expenses and we will do our best to put your financial support to good use. Please consider helping by making a donation at http://freestateproject.org/donate
Finally, and maybe most importantly, none of this would be possible without an army of volunteers. The Free State Project itself runs primarily on unpaid volunteers, from event staffing, to mailbox checking all the way to the President and Board of Directors. If we had to pay retail rates for the labor of love that has gone into the Free State Project, it would cost untold millions of dollars. The more people who volunteer to help promote the Free State Project, the more effective we become at attracting pro-liberty activists to New Hampshire. We need help with IT, advertising, public relations, local groups, events, and much more. If you'd like to spend a few hours a month of your time helping the Free State Project, please email volunteer@freestateproject.org.
Thank you again for your support through the years.
V-
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I'm not sure why this isn't on the front page of the FSP website.
Prolly cause Varrin doesn't know how to put it there. I'm not sure who the webmaster is these days...
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The Kannings are moving out west?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21934.0;topicseen
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Should I bother asking?
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May their chains rest lightly...
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The out-of-the-system activists are the ones burning out, not doing activism anymore, and leaving the state.
The in-the-system activists are the ones who have laid down roots, become part of the wider community and continue to involved & effective.
Queue butthurt CDer replies in 3... 2...
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The out-of-the-system activists are the ones burning out, not doing activism anymore, and leaving the state.
The in-the-system activists are the ones who have laid down roots, become part of the wider community and continue to involved & effective.
Queue butthurt CDer replies in 3... 2...
I'm on the record as being impartial in this argument, but damn Denis! Troll much?
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Troll much?
Why, actually, yes.
Takes two to tango; they're so damn easy to troll.
Queue their whining butthurt in 3... 2....
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Queue their whining butthurt in 3... 2....
Yeah, you did that already.
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Regardless whether he's trolling, is Dennis right or not?
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Queue their whining butthurt in 3... 2....
Yeah, you did that already.
Yes, thank you.
The whole thing's a repeat. That was the point, which he dodged.
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So, I heard that Sam is leaving NH too. Because an alien war is coming, and he needs to go live in a bunker.
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Regardless whether he's trolling, is Dennis right or not?
He doesn't seem to be trolling. I don't think he is technically correct as the vast majority of activists in NH do at least a very small amount of both types and more. But yes, at least a couple dozen people have left NH and I know of 5 more that are planning on leaving very soon and the vast majority of these folks aren't primary political activists. In fact, also, the people saying there is currently a low or slow point in activism in NH also tend to be the less political type as a ton of pro-liberty political activism is happening right now in NH.
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Regardless whether he's trolling, is Dennis right or not?
He doesn't seem to be trolling. I don't think he is technically correct as the vast majority of activists in NH do at least a very small amount of both types and more. But yes, at least a couple dozen people have left NH and I know of 5 more that are planning on leaving very soon and the vast majority of these folks aren't primary political activists. In fact, also, the people saying there is currently a low or slow point in activism in NH also tend to be the less political type as a ton of pro-liberty political activism is happening right now in NH.
What's with the exodus? Impatience?
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What's with the exodus? Impatience?
That or the realization that you can't get rid of the mob by joining the mob.
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What's with the exodus? Impatience?
That or the realization that you can't get rid of the mob by joining the mob.
Winter blues and lack of a living wage income is what I'd say before that.
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What's with the exodus? Impatience?
That or the realization that you can't get rid of the mob by joining the mob.
Winter blues and lack of a living wage income is what I'd say before that.
This. The flakey/sketchy/homeless/drifter types were (as could have been predicted) the first people to get to NH, and they would likewise be the first to drift on. They would also be the ones with no long term game plan (family, kids, career, political career etc) and that could add into the "move-on" mentality. These are just my thoughts, its not really possible to know for sure, is it?
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The flakey/sketchy/homeless/drifter types were (as could have been predicted) the first people to get to NH
Nice theory, but wrong.
I've been here longer than Sam (who is leaving) and just ~3 months less than the Kannings (who are leaving).
Meanwhile, one of the people who got elected as a State Rep was here ~6 months before me.
Lots of the people who moved early are IT professionals. Many (but not all) of them (us) have families.
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The flakey/sketchy/homeless/drifter types were (as could have been predicted) the first people to get to NH
Nice theory, but wrong.
I've been here longer than Sam (who is leaving) and just ~3 months less than the Kannings (who are leaving).
Meanwhile, one of the people who got elected as a State Rep was here ~6 months before me.
Lots of the people who moved early are IT professionals. Many (but not all) of them (us) have families.
I'm not saying all the early movers. But don't you think it is more likely that there will be certain types that will burn out quickly then move on to a new project? I suppose I might be wrong, I just feel that we are at the point in the project where a higher percentage of the movers will want to stay long term, since they took their time getting there act together and moving there.
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It seems like people are starting to buy houses in NH. I think that's a good sign that we're filtering down to some of the less flaky types. But we'll see.
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It seems like people are starting to buy houses in NH.
Those suckers won't be leaving anytime soon.
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Regardless whether he's trolling, is Dennis right or not?
He doesn't seem to be trolling. I don't think he is technically correct as the vast majority of activists in NH do at least a very small amount of both types and more. But yes, at least a couple dozen people have left NH and I know of 5 more that are planning on leaving very soon and the vast majority of these folks aren't primary political activists. In fact, also, the people saying there is currently a low or slow point in activism in NH also tend to be the less political type as a ton of pro-liberty political activism is happening right now in NH.
What's with the exodus? Impatience?
Some people stop caring about liberty as much as they used to. Others were just experimenting with living in NH, like it was an adventure. 1 person told me it was about jobs but that is highly irrational as the economy is noticeably better in NH than most of the nation. The person likely could have found a decent job in NH, but was unable to in Keene so they left the state completely and went back to where they used to live.
I think part of the problem is that Ian encourages people to move to Keene and sometimes with irrational expectations. People seem to have more success when they move to Manchester where they have access to at least 10 times as many jobs.
If Ian stopped promoting Keene so insistently and started being more realistic, I think more people would move or at least more of the movers would stick around longer. Though, it is understandable that Ian promotes Keene so heavily as he bought a house here so he has invested a lot of money in the area.
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Not only is the Free State Project, incorporated – the corporation that has latched on to the Free State Project community – close to bankruptcy and forced to cancel its flagship Liberty Forum conference, but now it has come to light that FSP inc has not published meeting minutes or budgets for almost two years.
Why not? I emailed Irena Goddard, chairman of the FSP inc board of directors on December 26th, and have yet to receive an answer. FSP inc leaders may want to avoid more exposure on blogs, but I am still an FSP participant and as such expected at least the courtesy of a response. One anonymous insider claims the oversight is due to a broken website and a shortage of volunteers.
http://georgedonnelly.com/libertarian/no-fsp-inc-meeting-minutes-budgets-2-years
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Not only is the Free State Project, incorporated – the corporation that has latched on to the Free State Project community – close to bankruptcy and forced to cancel its flagship Liberty Forum conference, but now it has come to light that FSP inc has not published meeting minutes or budgets for almost two years.
Why not? I emailed Irena Goddard, chairman of the FSP inc board of directors on December 26th, and have yet to receive an answer. FSP inc leaders may want to avoid more exposure on blogs, but I am still an FSP participant and as such expected at least the courtesy of a response. One anonymous insider claims the oversight is due to a broken website and a shortage of volunteers.
http://georgedonnelly.com/libertarian/no-fsp-inc-meeting-minutes-budgets-2-years
That is just George creating drama because that's what George does. I give him credit though, he is good at creating drama out of nothing.
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Check the comments -- the FSP website had an upgrade, and Drupal ate the relevant pages ("Book nodes"). The data is there, just not on the website. A volunteer stepped forward to take on the rather large and cumbersome task of restoring said pages.
And yes, George is a drama queen. Highly relevant to this thread. Carry on...
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Sov. Curtis said "20 tickets were sold" on VORD (http://vordshow.com/episode-215-net-neutrality-christian-right-for-pot-legalization-brian-aitken-is-free-free-speech-on-campus-george-donnelly-and-sovereign-curtis-on-liberty-forum-2011). Is that an accurate number?
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Sov. Curtis said "20 tickets were sold" on VORD (http://vordshow.com/episode-215-net-neutrality-christian-right-for-pot-legalization-brian-aitken-is-free-free-speech-on-campus-george-donnelly-and-sovereign-curtis-on-liberty-forum-2011). Is that an accurate number?
That sounds high... possibly 1/3 to 1/2 of those were ultra cut-rate tickets for the volunteer team itself
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Something definitely seems off to me. NH looks like a beautiful place, worth living there regardless of hard winters.
All explanations so far seem plausible but I'm wondering if there's maybe too much infighting.. the sort of stuff documented in this thread. That drama as a constant would drive me off.
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It's introverts infighting, though. So it's just a lot of passive aggressive shit being thrown around without getting to the meat of the problem.
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How do introverts fight? Are you kidding?
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How do introverts fight? Are you kidding?
His whole existence is a Greek tragedy.
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How do introverts fight? Are you kidding?
His whole existence is a Greek tragedy.
his pic is creepy
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yea, it is.
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All explanations so far seem plausible but I'm wondering if there's maybe too much infighting.. the sort of stuff documented in this thread. That drama as a constant would drive me off.
This isn't complicated at all and all this over-analyzing isn't called for. The announcement was barely made before the cancellation and there are hardly any speakers announced and practically zero promotion. The organizers have already said what the problem was. Not enough was done soon enough. Whoever was running it dropped the ball. Liberty Forum is suffering from not-enough-Christopher-Lawless-itis. That's the technical term for it.
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All explanations so far seem plausible but I'm wondering if there's maybe too much infighting.. the sort of stuff documented in this thread. That drama as a constant would drive me off.
This isn't complicated at all and all this over-analyzing isn't called for. The announcement was barely made before the cancellation and there are hardly any speakers announced and practically zero promotion. The organizers have already said what the problem was. Not enough was done soon enough. Whoever was running it dropped the ball. Liberty Forum is suffering from not-enough-Christopher-Lawless-itis. That's the technical term for it.
Good to know.
Though I was referring to people moving outta NH, not the canceled event :)
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Though I was referring to people moving outta NH, not the canceled event :)
What is it that you don't understand about people moving out of NH? Some folks left for college. Some people left because they ran out of money (no job or low paying job and horrible money management), 1 guy left to farm in the county, a couple folks were run off, some people stopped caring a lot about liberty, some people were just visiting for a few months in the Live Free or Die state as an adventure, one guy is moving to a near-by state for more money but plans to come back, one guy left because he had incredible anger and control problems, a few people moved away to take care of sick/dying family members and so on.
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Though I was referring to people moving outta NH, not the canceled event :)
What is it that you don't understand about people moving out of NH? Some folks left for college. Some people left because they ran out of money (no job or low paying job and horrible money management), 1 guy left to farm in the county, a couple folks were run off, some people stopped caring a lot about liberty, some people were just visiting for a few months in the Live Free or Die state as an adventure, one guy is moving to a near-by state for more money but plans to come back, one guy left because he had incredible anger and control problems, a few people moved away to take care of sick/dying family members and so on.
Calm down man. Inquiring minds and all that..
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Though I was referring to people moving outta NH, not the canceled event :)
What is it that you don't understand about people moving out of NH? Some folks left for college. Some people left because they ran out of money (no job or low paying job and horrible money management), 1 guy left to farm in the county, a couple folks were run off, some people stopped caring a lot about liberty, some people were just visiting for a few months in the Live Free or Die state as an adventure, one guy is moving to a near-by state for more money but plans to come back, one guy left because he had incredible anger and control problems, a few people moved away to take care of sick/dying family members and so on.
Calm down man. Inquiring minds and all that..
Keith doesn't like people who look at all the facts a lot of the time. Just pay attention to the positive and ignore anything negative.
I... Disagree with Keith about this particular topic. Blinders don't make what you're not seeing go away. Just makes you blind to it.
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Keith doesn't like people who look at all the facts a lot of the time. Just pay attention to the positive and ignore anything negative.
I... Disagree with Keith about this particular topic. Blinders don't make what you're not seeing go away. Just makes you blind to it.
What are your random words about and how to they relate to what everyone else is talking about here? Are you just trying to create drama to make this thread even more entertaining :D
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Keith's answer seemed pretty accurate to me. I do, however, feel that Ian oversells Keene. I've sensed unreasonable expectations in potential new movers inquiring about things on the Free Keene forums. Some of them seem to have this image of a vast network of people and resources that just isn't here (yet). Maybe Ian is too good a salesman. Of course, not all the movers are Keeniacs.
I know one guy is moving because he's been here a year already and we haven't overturned the local government and fixed all the tyranny yet. Claims it's because we're not organized enough which translates to "You're not doing things MY way!" :roll:
I knew I was where I wanted to be because I'm around the right kind of people. If the FSP completely fizzles, I still know I'm in the right place. I guess I don't feel as much attachment to other places I've lived as many people do. I feel at home here more than anywhere I've lived. I feel more connection to liberty lovers than I feel to blood or old friends who are statists.
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Keith doesn't like people who look at all the facts a lot of the time. Just pay attention to the positive and ignore anything negative.
I... Disagree with Keith about this particular topic. Blinders don't make what you're not seeing go away. Just makes you blind to it.
What are your random words about and how to they relate to what everyone else is talking about here? Are you just trying to create drama to make this thread even more entertaining :D
I understand that you don't see it, but from the outside, it seems like all you ever do is defend people who do crappy stuff, apparently just because they're "One of ours." or something. You almost always jump in and defend every single person who has bad behavior event.
When people do asinine things, it should be pointed out, not defended no matter the cost.
Calling what I said "Random words" and "Creating drama" is nonsense.
There is no place in your world for a gadfly. That's sorta an issue with you, not me.
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All explanations so far seem plausible but I'm wondering if there's maybe too much infighting.. the sort of stuff documented in this thread. That drama as a constant would drive me off.
This isn't complicated at all and all this over-analyzing isn't called for. The announcement was barely made before the cancellation and there are hardly any speakers announced and practically zero promotion. The organizers have already said what the problem was. Not enough was done soon enough. Whoever was running it dropped the ball. Liberty Forum is suffering from not-enough-Christopher-Lawless-itis. That's the technical term for it.
As long as porcfest doesn't get cancelled. As for people moving away, that happens, my guess is that at some point a "figure head," of the liberty movement will move away, people come and go, it's going to happen. I think people need to give this experiment 10 years (2020), then pass judgement. The thing is if 50,000 movers end up in NH just think of the libertarian/free marketeer infighting and dick swinging that will go on, that alone will be worth the price of admission.
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True. The infighting and debating is fun for a while and then gets old. I suspect even Denis will get sick of it eventually. But new people will probably jump into the fray for a while until it gets old for them which will keep it going indefinitely.
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http://m.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20101231/NEWS/12310344&template=wapart
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[re: Keith]
There is no place in your world for a gadfly.
Which is pretty odd, because libertarians seem to be 97% gadflies.
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I actually see things blooming in NH and in particular within the sub-communities. From my perspective the numbers in Keene are relatively unchanged. Some people moved on and some moved in, it is a wash really. The core community is strong and those that socialize at least once a week are doing well. There are many new projects happening, most of which are not known well enough to grace this message board. The holidays had many successful parties and each further strengthened the community.
The folks moving on will be missed regardless of the circumstances.
Yes, the civ-dis action is slowed down. Partly due to suspended penalties, people leaving and no real plans in the works. I welcome the slow down and I am trying to influence individuals to take a more strategic approach to future action. In the mean time, many individuals are spending time with outreach and volunteer efforts.
Manchester is trending up and so is the political action. Much respect to both.
Liberty forum was not discussed much that I heard. It doesn't seem as popular in Keene as Porcfest, which will be epic. I think it is unfortunate that things did not work out but I think it is not as bad as some make it out to be. I hope the FSP learns the lessons this situation offers.
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I hope the FSP learns the lessons this situation offers.
It won't.
The FSP is in bad shape. It is almost 10 years old. The original goal of the FSP was to have 20,000 participants in NH by the end of this year. 20,000 signers by September 2006, then five more years for those participants to move to NH, which would be September 2011.
If you look at the sign up rate over the last 6 months, maybe they will get to 1000, which was supposed to happen by the end of 2008 if you count the "First 1000" as an FSP effort.
http://freestateproject.org/about/membership.php
As of today, there are:
* 10584 FSP Participants
* 880 In New Hampshire
* 12.4 average new Participants per week during last six months
* 8.4 average new Participants per week during last month
* 6 new Participants in past seven days
Does the "In New Hampshire" number go down when a participant moves away?
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Does the "In New Hampshire" number go down when a participant moves away?
Yes, when that mover reports that they leave and/or change their address in the database. It has happened quite a few times already.
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No doubt FSP has failed based on # of signups and # of movers.
If you measure actual impact, though... it's hard to point to a state where more & bigger liberty activism and pro-liberty winds have happened consistently over the past 8 years.
And something tells me that pace is about to pick up. A lot.
Watch this space....
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Sam is creating an economic collapse!
Sam Dodson, the talented videographer behind the Obscured Truth Network, is leaving to live on his family’s farm in Texas. He has become convinced that devastating economic collapse is coming and he felt he’d be better able to weather that if he were near his relatives and out away from the city. I do not share his vision for disaster, but I understand why he is making his choice. Personally, I’d rather be going through such a situation nearby hundreds of my fellow liberty lovers, but he has a chance to lower his costs of living significantly by moving to the family farm and wants to focus on self-sufficiency. Maybe someday he’ll get to say “told-ya-so” regarding the supposed disaster, but that remains to be seen.
http://freekeene.com/2011/01/03/fare-thee-well-why-some-activists-leave-nh/#more-8716
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If I get a chance (which is not likely tonight or tomorrow... sigh) I have been meaning to call in on this.
Maybe it makes sense for Sam since he has a big tree farm in Texas, but for most people it doesn't make sense to move there.
For one thing, NH is highly agricultural.
For another, our economy is holding up well compared to other states.
For another, it doesn't matter where you live -- having emergency supplies, gold/silver, and investments in dividends-paying non-dollar assets is a good idea no matter where you live.
For another, there are a number of monetary- and economic-related bills about to come down the pipe. If even a few of them pass, we'll be in damn good shape. I won't spoil the surprise yet though.
(*) added -- on the show it sounded like a big issue Sam was concerned about was that people would know where he lived. I guess he's afraid of the Hungry Mob coming and stealing his food? That sounds just a tad paranoid to me. At any rate, as I like to point out, I have a nice plot of property and a looong line of sight from my house in every direction....
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Sam definitely sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theorist if you happen to get him on the wrong topics. Because of that and the whole Law of Attraction thing, I certainly won't be missing him on FTL.
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ASK HIM ABOUT THE ALIENS
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"According to Gallagher, Abramson fired at least one round at the ceiling with a pistol but apparently did not have intent to cause anyone harm."
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20101231-NEWS-12310344
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At least Abramson didn't shoot himself this time. Now his is just a fucking idiot with zero judgment.
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At least Abramson didn't shoot himself this time. Now his is just a fucking idiot with zero judgment.
He shot himself before? I never heard anything about that.
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This is the story that I was told by some of his former roommates....
I guess he was trying to stuff his glock into his pants one time, wear it all gangster or something and it went off. Got himself in the leg.
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If you measure actual impact, though... it's hard to point to a state where more & bigger liberty activism and pro-liberty winds have happened consistently over the past 8 years.
I'd call that setting your sights really low. It sounds sorta like the thing's the USA-lovers spout about how it's the greatest country in the world, despite its faults.
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Sam definitely sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theorist if you happen to get him on the wrong topics. Because of that and the whole Law of Attraction thing, I certainly won't be missing him on FTL.
Me either.
I however, am stuck with a similar dilemma as of this week. I have been planning for more than two years to end up someday in NH as a part of the FSP. This week I was talking to one of my parents, and I found out that I will be inheriting my parents farm someday. That would be a good thing to happen to me. I know how to run the farm, have ideas of what I would do with it, and it could certainly give myself several benefits in my life. But its not New Hampshire. I could go to NH then come back someday, but I never saw myself as staying in WI for the rest of my life, let alone my old hometown.
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The liberty movement needs agorist/ black market food suppliers also, especially if there is a economic collapse. You inheriting a farm could make you a much more important cog in the movement then what you could accomplish by moving to NH.
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The liberty movement needs agorist/ black market food suppliers also, especially if there is a economic collapse. You inheriting a farm could make you a much more important cog in the movement then what you could accomplish by moving to NH.
Now that's thinkin!
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That is a very good point. There are quite a great deal of Agorist opportunities to be had there. I think I'm starting to lean towards move to NH in a few years (when I can), get active and learn what I can, then someday move back and get to work here. I cant obviously decide now what I will do, I just dont have all my plans figured out yet. I love the input you guys give, it helps figure out ideas and see available options.
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Sell farmland in WI
use money to buy farmland in NH
money is fungible like that, see
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Sell farmland in WI
use money to buy farmland in NH
money is fungible like that, see
Yes. In fact, don't bother to sell. Just do a straight acre for acre trade for some of the best farmland in the world for a parcel in "the granite state".
Oh, wait. The inbreds would probably want two acres in WI for prime NH disk killing gravel.
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Sell farmland in WI
use money to buy farmland in NH
money is fungible like that, see
Yes. In fact, don't bother to sell. Just do a straight acre for acre trade for some of the best farmland in the world for a parcel in "the granite state".
Oh, wait. The inbreds would probably want two acres in WI for prime NH disk killing gravel.
Yeah this isnt an option really anyway. If I have any say the property is staying in the family ultimately. I spent my childhood there, grew up there, built tree forts, raised dogs, fed chickens, built buildings, etc etc etc. Perhaps I could lease it out to farmers, then use the buildings as rental property.
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Renting it out for others to farm could actually be quite profitable. It will be a lot more upfront work, but would give you a hell of a nice, passive income stream, one that should do better, not worse, as the economy degrades.
I suggest you give it some serious consideration, whether or not you move to NH.
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Well, I have many years to think about it (hopefully).
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I'm a relationship anarchist, the traditional concept of marriage is so stupid. Humans are not designed to be sexually monogamous!
"I will love you in my whole life"
"Til death to us apart""
How can someone make that promise? This doesn't make any sense in my world, I always strive to keep my word and I would never make a promise like that, because I know there's a high probability I wouldn't be able to keep it.
I reject societies message of monogamy as having the moral ground.
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Wrong thread.
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Wrong thread...
... unless you're spreading your love around New Hampshire.
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I'm a relationship anarchist, the traditional concept of marriage is so stupid. Humans are not designed to be sexually monogamous!
Meh.
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Humans are not designed to be sexually monogamous!
Projection.
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Wrong thread...
... unless you're spreading your love around New Hampshire.
It still has to be in a dramatic way.
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Humans are not designed to be sexually monogamous!
Projection.
Of course.
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Monogamy is for slaves.............and control freaks.........and control freaks are slaves to their desire to control.
You are a slave!
You just need to disengage yerself from The Matrix.
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I'm a relationship anarchist, the traditional concept of marriage is so stupid. Humans are not designed to be sexually monogamous!
"I will love you in my whole life"
"Til death to us apart""
How can someone make that promise? This doesn't make any sense in my world, I always strive to keep my word and I would never make a promise like that, because I know there's a high probability I wouldn't be able to keep it.
I reject societies message of monogamy as having the moral ground.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that your personality is going to be making this a nonissue for you.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that your personality is going to be making this a nonissue for you.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWUMdI_wihlQYYRJ1wpsI-ERurKMQlnlUs84j0YrSljhkX98Bn)
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So... This past weekend, I came to visit Keene for the 2nd time. (The first was in July 2010, after meeting some people at PorcFest.) One of my friends from the July visit (with whom I had exchanged some dialogue since then) seemed completely uninterested in talking to me while I was there, and removed me as a Facebook friend sometime during or after my visit to Keene. (I generally try to give people the benefit of the doubt, so I sent him a message asking if he de-friended me, and his response was, "Uh, yeah.") So... WTF?
If you are a straight male, over 25, and not involved in performing arts (theater, musical theater, a band, etc.)... Nobody wants your drama! (Well, I guess nobody wants anyone's drama, but it tends to be less expected from people who match this description.)
I guess my question is, if I don't intend for this to be my last visit to Keene (which I don't), should I try to probe for why this guy seems to be pissed at me? I have a few guesses, all of which would be based on misconceptions. Or should I just let it go, and write him off as not worth my time? I am really big on accountability and getting to the bottom of things, so I guess it bothers me a little more than it should. I guess what annoys me the most is that he seemed to value me as a friend at some point, but then wrote me off without even confronting me about whatever it is that now bothers him about me.
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Sounds like a topic for Porc Therapy (http://porctherapy.com/)
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Sounds like a topic for Porc Therapy (http://porctherapy.com/)
Good point. Thanks. :)
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So... This past weekend, I came to visit Keene for the 2nd time. (The first was in July 2010, after meeting some people at PorcFest.) One of my friends from the July visit (with whom I had exchanged some dialogue since then) seemed completely uninterested in talking to me while I was there, and removed me as a Facebook friend sometime during or after my visit to Keene. (I generally try to give people the benefit of the doubt, so I sent him a message asking if he de-friended me, and his response was, "Uh, yeah.") So... WTF?
If you are a straight male, over 25, and not involved in performing arts (theater, musical theater, a band, etc.)... Nobody wants your drama! (Well, I guess nobody wants anyone's drama, but it tends to be less expected from people who match this description.)
I guess my question is, if I don't intend for this to be my last visit to Keene (which I don't), should I try to probe for why this guy seems to be pissed at me? I have a few guesses, all of which would be based on misconceptions. Or should I just let it go, and write him off as not worth my time? I am really big on accountability and getting to the bottom of things, so I guess it bothers me a little more than it should. I guess what annoys me the most is that he seemed to value me as a friend at some point, but then wrote me off without even confronting me about whatever it is that now bothers him about me.
Speaking as a straight male (there is a gradient) over 25, this doesn't seem like thread quality drama to me. People unfriend people on FB all of the time for a variety of reasons. You already asked him about it. I guess I'm missing the drama but I'll go add you on FB right now :)
Perhaps it was temporary jealously? People are complicated and stuff.
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So... This past weekend, I came to visit Keene for the 2nd time. (The first was in July 2010, after meeting some people at PorcFest.) One of my friends from the July visit (with whom I had exchanged some dialogue since then) seemed completely uninterested in talking to me while I was there, and removed me as a Facebook friend sometime during or after my visit to Keene. (I generally try to give people the benefit of the doubt, so I sent him a message asking if he de-friended me, and his response was, "Uh, yeah.") So... WTF?
If you are a straight male, over 25, and not involved in performing arts (theater, musical theater, a band, etc.)... Nobody wants your drama! (Well, I guess nobody wants anyone's drama, but it tends to be less expected from people who match this description.)
I guess my question is, if I don't intend for this to be my last visit to Keene (which I don't), should I try to probe for why this guy seems to be pissed at me? I have a few guesses, all of which would be based on misconceptions. Or should I just let it go, and write him off as not worth my time? I am really big on accountability and getting to the bottom of things, so I guess it bothers me a little more than it should. I guess what annoys me the most is that he seemed to value me as a friend at some point, but then wrote me off without even confronting me about whatever it is that now bothers him about me.
I wouldn't bother. If he's pissed then its his problem.
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I guess my question is, if I don't intend for this to be my last visit to Keene (which I don't), should I try to probe for why this guy seems to be pissed at me?
Many libertarians have the social skills of a World of Warcraft addict with Aspergers Syndrome. Is it possible he had come to the conclusion that there was serious dating potential? And then did you not immediately accept a marriage proposal when you met in person or something along those lines?
See, in your mind, you were probably having a nice chat with people in Keene and making friends. Meanwhile, in his mind, fireworks are going off-- "OMG! A girl is talking to me! She likes me! She really likes me!" And then maybe he met you in person and the electricity wasn't there he was expecting and you've broken his heart and shattered his dreams.
I have no idea who you're talking about but this would prolly fit about half the guys in Keene. So yeah, probably a breakdown in communication.
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I guess my question is, if I don't intend for this to be my last visit to Keene (which I don't), should I try to probe for why this guy seems to be pissed at me?
Many libertarians have the social skills of a World of Warcraft addict with Aspergers Syndrome. Is it possible he had come to the conclusion that there was serious dating potential? And then did you not immediately accept a marriage proposal when you met in person or something along those lines?
See, in your mind, you were probably having a nice chat with people in Keene and making friends. Meanwhile, in his mind, fireworks are going off-- "OMG! A girl is talking to me! She likes me! She really likes me!" And then maybe he met you in person and the electricity wasn't there he was expecting and you've broken his heart and shattered his dreams.
I have no idea who you're talking about but this would prolly fit about half the guys in Keene. So yeah, probably a breakdown in communication.
This
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Many libertarians have the social skills of a World of Warcraft addict with Aspergers Syndrome.
Nice and accurately put. Well done.
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Many libertarians have the social skills of a World of Warcraft addict with Aspergers Syndrome.
Eric Cartman (http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/episodes/s11e08-le-petit-tourette) came to mind.
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Johnson called in last night about somebody spending their legal defense fund on hookers and blow. That sounds like some drama.
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Johnson called in last night about somebody spending their legal defense fund on hookers and blow. That sounds like some drama.
Sweet. Was it CDEvolution money?
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Johnson called in last night about somebody spending their legal defense fund on hookers and blow. That sounds like some Johnson injecting himself into the drama.
AAAAARrhhrh. Warrrrrrnh. Warrrrrnh.
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i want some blow
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Johnson called in last night about somebody spending their legal defense fund on hookers and blow. That sounds like some drama.
Sweet. Was it CDEvolution money?
no.
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Johnson called in last night about somebody spending their legal defense fund on hookers and blow. That sounds like some drama.
Sweet. Was it CDEvolution money?
no.
Who or what funded it?
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I guess my question is, if I don't intend for this to be my last visit to Keene (which I don't), should I try to probe for why this guy seems to be pissed at me?
Many libertarians have the social skills of a World of Warcraft addict with Aspergers Syndrome. Is it possible he had come to the conclusion that there was serious dating potential? And then did you not immediately accept a marriage proposal when you met in person or something along those lines?
See, in your mind, you were probably having a nice chat with people in Keene and making friends. Meanwhile, in his mind, fireworks are going off-- "OMG! A girl is talking to me! She likes me! She really likes me!" And then maybe he met you in person and the electricity wasn't there he was expecting and you've broken his heart and shattered his dreams.
I have no idea who you're talking about but this would prolly fit about half the guys in Keene. So yeah, probably a breakdown in communication.
thank you for that dale.....best chuckle all day :)
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There is a rumor, and that's all it is right now, that John Connell, owner of the Peaceful Assembly Church has stated he would not allow gay weddings at his church for fear of upsetting the local Graftonites, or some such like that. It's hard to nail down. It is a rumor after all. And so I am seeking a clear answer from John to either confirm or dispel this rumor. He's using wildly ambiguous politician-speak so far and thus has done nothing but crank the gears of the rumor mill. Still no clear answer. Considering that he's trying to hold FSP-style events there and is asking for support, financial and otherwise, I think people have a right to know where he stands. This is an issue of substance for many people, and they do deserve to know.
Below is the latest on it, but the discussion begins here on the NHFree forum (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21477.msg331324#msg331324).
Peaceful Assembly Church has, from it's inception, had a most basic and general policy intended to be as inclusive of all Peaceful people as possible, while at the very same time attempting to ensure that if "a little old lady" or a "young mother and her children" or a "grandmother with her grandchildren" were to come walking in to one of our events they would all be happy to be here.
On a lighter note, and at the risk of reading too much into it before John has a chance to expound, this explanation inspires some pretty amusing scenarios in my over-active imagination. I picture some little blue-haired old lady who's hobby is to brazenly crash weddings she hasn't been invited to... with her impressionable young grandchildren in tow, of course. She inadvertently finds herself and the kids at the wedding of two strangers, the union of whom she does not approve, e.g. two men, two women, a black man and a white woman, a Protestant and a Catholic, a member of high society and a peasant, two people with an age difference exceeding some arbitrary number in her mind, etc. She gasps melodramatically and spouts "Well, I never!" And then Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, who is in many of my imaginary scenarios purely for sarcastic commentary says "Yeah, and with that hair and outfit, you never will."
:laughing1:
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Still no clear answer.
I'd consider that in itself a VERY clear answer.
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Speaking as a straight male (there is a gradient) over 25, this doesn't seem like thread quality drama to me.
This stuff is perfect for the thread.
Thanks for sharing carolynjane4.
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There is a rumor, and that's all it is right now, that John Connell, owner of the Peaceful Assembly Church has stated he would not allow gay weddings at his church for fear of upsetting the local Graftonites, or some such like that. It's hard to nail down. It is a rumor after all.
It really doesn't matter until someone wants to get gay married there.
Have any free staters been gay married in NH yet?
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It really doesn't matter until someone wants to get gay married there.
I disagree. He's asking for support-- financial, labor, moral, etc. He's also holding a libertarian event at the church. Whether I want to participate or support at all will depend on a clear answer. Many others will share my concern. I already know several.
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While you are asking him what kind of marriages he will allow in the church, you should ask about polygamous marriages, and also marriages with minors involved.
I think he created an account on this bbs. You should invite him here to talk about it. That would be hot.
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I think he created an account on this bbs. You should invite him here to talk about it. That would be hot.
No, thx. It's hard enough getting a response in the one forum.
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There is a rumor, and that's all it is right now, that John Connell, owner of the Peaceful Assembly Church has stated he would not allow gay weddings at his church for fear of upsetting the local Graftonites, or some such like that. It's hard to nail down. It is a rumor after all. And so I am seeking a clear answer from John to either confirm or dispel this rumor. He's using wildly ambiguous politician-speak so far and thus has done nothing but crank the gears of the rumor mill. Still no clear answer. Considering that he's trying to hold FSP-style events there and is asking for support, financial and otherwise, I think people have a right to know where he stands. This is an issue of substance for many people, and they do deserve to know.
Below is the latest on it, but the discussion begins here on the NHFree forum (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21477.msg331324#msg331324).
Peaceful Assembly Church has, from it's inception, had a most basic and general policy intended to be as inclusive of all Peaceful people as possible, while at the very same time attempting to ensure that if "a little old lady" or a "young mother and her children" or a "grandmother with her grandchildren" were to come walking in to one of our events they would all be happy to be here.
On a lighter note, and at the risk of reading too much into it before John has a chance to expound, this explanation inspires some pretty amusing scenarios in my over-active imagination. I picture some little blue-haired old lady who's hobby is to brazenly crash weddings she hasn't been invited to... with her impressionable young grandchildren in tow, of course. She inadvertently finds herself and the kids at the wedding of two strangers, the union of whom she does not approve, e.g. two men, two women, a black man and a white woman, a Protestant and a Catholic, a member of high society and a peasant, two people with an age difference exceeding some arbitrary number in her mind, etc. She gasps melodramatically and spouts "Well, I never!" And then Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, who is in many of my imaginary scenarios purely for sarcastic commentary says "Yeah, and with that hair and outfit, you never will."
:laughing1:
Funny that I helped this John guy move from Salem to here all the while not realizing his position on this situation. He always seemed eccentric as judged in person and by his former calls to FTL (which u haven't heard in years). He must be lonely fussing over older ladies with blue eyes and probably doesn't have a chance to get one in the rest of his life in the compound of the liberty grafton. That said, it must be lonely up there for old farts with no more tricks to learn.
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Who cares? He's in Grafton. Grafton is where the weirdos go.
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Have any free staters been gay married in NH yet?
I know of one such couple. But they're politically active, not likely to be known by any of the FTL/FK/Freak Staters
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so what? Some people dont like the idea of ass sex. Some think it's evil. Would you react the same if he didn't allow gambling? It's a fuckin church. What do you expect? What a stupid thing to have a problem with.
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Have any free staters been gay married in NH yet?
I know of one such couple. But they're politically active, not likely to be known by any of the FTL/FK/Freak Staters
Thom the commie?
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so what? Some people dont like the idea of ass sex. Some think it's evil. Would you react the same if he didn't allow gambling? It's a fuckin church. What do you expect? What a stupid thing to have a problem with.
I don't care whether he allows gambling, but I would react the same way if he only allowed men or white people to do it. I don't care if he does polygamist weddings or not, but I'd react the same way if decided to only do Mormon-style sexist polygamy (one man and multiple women).
It kind of was "so what?" for me until he started pushing for FSP events to happen there. It matters because he's asking people for support who likely won't give it if he's acting like a bigot, whether it's religition-justified bigotry or not. There are lots of churches, most of them I'm sure, that don't do gay marriages. I don't go there and I don't give them my money. I don't get RSVPs from them for FSP events or see my friends on their attendance list for such events.
He should do whatever he wants for his own reasons, but he should state it openly and own the repercussions. I'm just going to make sure this discussion happens in the light of day so people know what they're supporting or not.
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so what? Some people dont like the idea of ass sex. Some think it's evil. Would you react the same if he didn't allow gambling? It's a fuckin church. What do you expect? What a stupid thing to have a problem with.
I'm not accustomed to agreeing with Ecolitan, but in this case, I believe I do. It's not like, shocking, or anything, that a church wouldn't do same-sex marriage.
What I find more interesting is that some guy "owns" a church.
He should do whatever he wants for his own reasons, but he should state it openly and own the repercussions. I'm just going to make sure this discussion happens in the light of day so people know what they're supporting or not.
...and certainly the right approach, though again, it's not like I'd expect it to sway anyone.
As for myself, if I were there I'd be glad that someone I don't agree with on everything (!) is supportive of something I'm also supporting. It's like my "progressive" buddy who's finally realizing that it'd be good to work with libertarians on some things. His attachment to the state pisses me off, but I'll gladly accept his support on issues we have in common, and vice-versa. If you expect 100% compliance to your point of view, you will conduct no commerce, you will have no friends, and you will lead a miserable life. This goes, especially, for libertarians.
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It kind of was "so what?" for me until he started pushing for FSP events to happen there...I don't get RSVPs from them for FSP events or see my friends on their attendance list for such events.
I know nothing about even talk of a FSP event happening there. There isn't even talk of such a thing happening. It isn't a horrible idea, though.
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As for myself, if I were there I'd be glad that someone I don't agree with on everything (!) is supportive of something I'm also supporting.
I have no plans to ostracize John or to refuse to work with him on anything. I'm just not going to support his church. And this will affect a lot of people in a similar way who care about the issue. I already know some who were about to immediately pull their RSVPs for a church event but held off until we could get an answer from John and clarify the extent of truth to this rumor.
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Have any free staters been gay married in NH yet?
I know of one such couple. But they're politically active, not likely to be known by any of the FTL/FK/Freak Staters
Thom the commie?
Ahhh good point. I don't know Thom in person (yet), that's couple #2
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As for myself, if I were there I'd be glad that someone I don't agree with on everything (!) is supportive of something I'm also supporting.
I have no plans to ostracize John or to refuse to work with him on anything. I'm just not going to support his church. And this will affect a lot of people in a similar way who care about the issue. I already know some who were about to immediately pull their RSVPs for a church event but held off until we could get an answer from John and clarify the extent of truth to this rumor.
Just curious...not going to support his church, or liberty-oriented events at the church? The first sounds reasonable...the second less-so.
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Just curious...not going to support his church, or liberty-oriented events at the church? The first sounds reasonable...the second less-so.
Then we disagree. Showing up as if there is no issue is moral support which I won't give to a church like that.
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Just curious...not going to support his church, or liberty-oriented events at the church? The first sounds reasonable...the second less-so.
Then we disagree. Showing up as if there is no issue is moral support which I won't give to a church like that.
Showing up doesn't mean there isn't an issue. As you said, we disagree. Apparently he does, too (but in a different way.) Again, not giving to a church "like that" is quite reasonable. Abstaining from activism because it's there, less so.
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Just curious...not going to support his church, or liberty-oriented events at the church? The first sounds reasonable...the second less-so.
Then we disagree. Showing up as if there is no issue is moral support which I won't give to a church like that.
That is a shame. You are good at getting gays and the homosexual point of view excepted by people who are uncomfortable about it.
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<<<Doesn't know why anyone would want to have anything to do with a church at all.
Also, Dale, you should start:
The First Church of Gay Liberty, NH
And be done with it. You could make up a bunch of fun doctrine and have picnics and shit.
"AND NOW WE SHALL READ FROM THE BOOK OF ORAL (NO TEETH), VERSE 69 HAR HAR HAR."
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Just curious...not going to support his church, or liberty-oriented events at the church? The first sounds reasonable...the second less-so.
Then we disagree. Showing up as if there is no issue is moral support which I won't give to a church like that.
Showing up doesn't mean there isn't an issue. As you said, we disagree. Apparently he does, too (but in a different way.) Again, not giving to a church "like that" is quite reasonable. Abstaining from activism because it's there, less so.
Yup. I've always thought one of the advantages to a "free" society was to let people do their own things, and of there is a void that needs to be filled, then folks should work to fill whatever void that may be.
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Watch this space. They are putting up a bill to eliminate marriage in NH. Looks like it has a decent chance of passing, too
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Watch this space. They are putting up a bill to eliminate marriage in NH. Looks like it has a decent chance of passing, too
I have to say, that sounds impressive!
I'm sure they don't mean to eliminate marriage, just as the marxists did not mean to abolish property. Rather, I suspect they mean to eliminate government licensing of marriage (what about laws that refer to marriage to determine how the married and single are treated?) as the marxists meant to abolish private ownership of property. I like the idea of removing all reference to marriage from law. Can you elaborate?
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Watch this space. They are putting up a bill to eliminate marriage in NH. Looks like it has a decent chance of passing, too
Who is "they"? If they haven't finished putting it together yet, how can you know what kind of chance it has of passing?
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There is a rumor, and that's all it is right now, that John Connell, owner of the Peaceful Assembly Church has stated he would not allow gay weddings at his church for fear of upsetting the local Graftonites, or some such like that.
This particular bit of drama is over. John has finally given a... fairly straight-forward answer that I'm happy with (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21477.msg331595#msg331595). I don't feel that he would deny someone a wedding in the church specifically over it being a same-sex wedding. I think he just wants to reserve the right to turn someone away if they're trying to do something that's not tasteful in his eyes or something, and I can't blame him for being concerned about that. I tried to be clear all along that I wasn't expecting that kind of sweeping approval. I wasn't expecting anything really other than to let people know where he stands.
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Watch this space. They are putting up a bill to eliminate marriage in NH. Looks like it has a decent chance of passing, too
Who is "they"?
Prime sponsor is a baptist minister, newly elected to the State House.
If they haven't finished putting it together yet, how can you know what kind of chance it has of passing?
The biggest anti-gay "conservative family values" group (Cornerstone) and the biggest pro-gay group ("NH Freedom to Marry") both are making favorable noises about it already.
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Even before a bill is finalized, often the text of it is passed around and that is how some may have seen the content already.
I do think there is often a lot of pure speculation on the content of bills though. I have had friends who happen to be gay tell me all about the repeal gay marriage bills and what they include - knowing full well that what they are being told is based solely on speculation. Until the bill becomes finalized, the content could change many times...so best to wait for the final version.
That said, I agree with Denis that there very well could be enough support in the house a bill to remove government from marriage altogether. Rumor has it that Cornerstone would be OK with such a bill. We will have to wait and see.
Now - since this is the drama thread - and legislation and bills is just not drama-laden enough....the gossip mill says there is a brew ha ha involving Rich Paul and Ivy and someone named Tiffany Marley. Now that sounds like drama.......so have at it.....
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Rich Paul and Ivy and someone named Tiffany Marley. Now that sounds like drama.......so have at it.....
Oh, that's old news. Menage a trois. Vivid video sponsored it. Hawt shoot, though. Saw it on PPV.
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Two separate people mentioned it yesterday to me...so it's not that old. :)
And what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
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what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.
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what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.
I believe that these two will soon be the stars of the liberty movement.
[youtube]I1HHwQ8S_rw[/youtube]
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what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.
You got a real LOL out of me on that one, Denis!
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what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.
You got a real LOL out of me on that one, Denis!
... and you're the reason I still AMP, Mark
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what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.
Except Ian wasn't on last night and I only listened to about half of the first call. Didn't find it quite as entertaining as ny2nh.
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Although, gay no longer means homosexual, so it should read "1st Church of Fabulous".
In fact:
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There is a rumor, and that's all it is right now, that John Connell, owner of the Peaceful Assembly Church has stated he would not allow gay weddings at his church for fear of upsetting the local Graftonites, or some such like that.
We discussed this on the premiere episode of the new weekly radio show Prometheus Unchained. You can download the archive from the website (http://flamingfreedom.com) (Very basic at the moment but we're moving it to a better server and expanding it as I speak) or via bit torrent (http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/6107510/Prometheus.Unchained.2011.01.16.mp3.6107510.TPB.torrent). Download from Megaupload is just a temporary measure also and archives will be moved to our new server shortly.
The discussion was fairly extensive over several segments and I just ask that people listen to all of it before they criticize something out of context.
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Please consider not eating.
Your help is desperately needed!
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http://www.libertyontour.com/2011/01/25/pete-held-indefinitely-ademo-caged-for-sixy-days/
This morning we had a video arraignment in Keene District Court for Pete Ayre, arrested yesterday for peacefully wearing a hat. We started the day at 8am and it wasn’t until around noon that Pete’s arraignment occurred. We spent the first hour from eight until nine passing out Don’t Plead Guilty flyers.
The video was set up in a way so that Pete could not see supporters in the audience. Earlier, people had asked a bailiff if Pete would be able to hear us and he paused, before informing us that he would, but that we should stay quiet. Michele Seven, filming the video and judge as an independent source, asked if she could say hi to Pete before the judge walked in, but was denied that privilege by the bailiff.
The proceedings began with a lengthy charge, that sounded far more ludicrous than actual events. Earlier, we had been attempting to protect his identity, but information had already been leaked as they knew his name, but Pete refused to identify. Most of the proceedings were repetitive with Judge Burke telling Pete it was in Pete’s hands whether he got out, all he had to do was identify. Pete politely asked if he had a chance to speak his mind on what had occurred, which Burke denied, instructing that the only thing they needed from Pete was identification and choosing counsel, if desired. Pete kept firmly, but politely, insisting that it was Burke that had the decision and could let him go.
At one point, Burke said one of many numerously redic things, to which Smeg laughed louder than usual. Judge Burke then instructed the bailiffs to remove us all from the room, but Smeg insisted she was the only one who’d laughed, taking responsibility for her actions, as many anarchists do. The bailiffs continued to ask us to all leave until finally Smeg’s petitions of responsibility were heard and Burke changed his statement to only Smeg, and not the entire group.
As the repetitious conversation between Pete and Burke continued, Ademo grew upset, and likely knowing Pete could hear his comrade, began walking out of the room, calling the court a joke and saying it had no life. Burke immediately ordered him arrested. We soon learned there may be an immediate arraignment and waited. The bailiffs allowed us to communicate through a partially closed door and let him enter his password on the phone so we could access it. They also ignored us listening to Ademo through the closed door later.
In a few minutes, we learned there was going to be a right of allocation (not arraignment), followed by sentencing, so we returned to the courtroom. A right of allocation is where the individual in contempt gets a chance to speak their mind on the matter. After determining, Ademo’s legal name, the right, in reality a ritualized privilege, was given. Ademo stated that he was sorry for hurting Burke’s feelings, but thats how he felt about the proceedings. Burke denied that he offended the individual, but offended the court, but insisted it was a matter of societal civility that determined the policies. Ademo informed Burke that he was never informed of these laws. This did not go on long before Burke sentenced Ademo to sixty days in the county jail. As he was being drug away, he yelled out that he would not be eating.
Smeg had been part of the audience during the proceedings with Ademo and started asking why they were harming her friends, insisting they stop. For several minutes, she stood, petitioning the bailiff to get the judge and make him stop this nonsense, but was ignored. Meanwhile, he was also demanding we leave the courtroom. Several left, but several others remained seated. The bailiff threatened arrest against Smeg several times before she finally relented, but he did not actually use any violence and remained calm, far better than Sergeant James Cemorelis or Judge Burke.
We ran outside to see him off via the sheriff’s vehicle and he was smiling and waving, with his hands in the front, as he left. I flashed him a peace symbol as the vehicle drove away.
Plans are being discussed now and we recommend writing op-eds to the Keene Sentinel and Union Leader. I would recommend reading Tom Knapp’s Recommendations for Writing a Libertarian Op-Ed. Smeg is talking about not eating in conjunction with Ademo. I’d invite people to consider joining her, if they’re interested. There is a facebook group coordinating a response as well. I’m sure there will be discussion on FreeTalkLive as well as a special show by Todd Andrew Barnett, Smeg and I *may* be on.
Videos should be coming shortly on Free Keene, Liberty On Tour, and Cop Block.
Update:
I thought it’d be important to include where you can write to Ademo while he’s caged. Pete, as he’s not identifying, probably won’t receive mail.
Adam Mueller
Cheshire County D.O.C.
825 Marlboro Road
Keene, NH 03431
The jail website has more information on mailing procedures, calling caged humans, and other pertinent information. Continue to call the jail and police station, along with emailing Sergeant Cemorelis is important, as well.
* The Cheshire Co Jail where they are being held: 603.903.1600
* Keene Police 603.357.981
* Two officers in video attacking Pete:
* James Cemorelis (full uniform, possible Sgt) – Number above + extension 7117 (email: jcemorelis@ci.keene.nh.us)
* Matt Griffin (grey shirt) extension 7182.
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what is with the wasted guy on porc411.....I was hoping he would call back again - it's entertaining.
I am assuming that on FTL tonight whoever it is will be lionized as a Hero of the Liberty Movement who got Put Down by the Man.
You got a real LOL out of me on that one, Denis!
... and you're the reason I still AMP, Mark
x10
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If I were to stop eating I'd be dead in a week.
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More Heroes of the Revolution in Keene! (http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2011/01/2011-01-26_09-44-48.mp3)
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~ 18 months longer than I thought it would take.
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If I were to stop eating I'd be dead in a week.
I'm on my ninth day.
In a few minutes, we learned there was going to be a right of allocation (not arraignment), followed by sentencing, so we returned to the courtroom. A right of allocation is where the individual in contempt gets a chance to speak their mind on the matter.
Sounds like allocution.
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If I were to stop eating I'd be dead in a week.
I'm on my ninth day.
*Shrug* guy might be right. People have different metabolisms.
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i'm not eating.......
kale
tripe
fava beans
chicken livers
fish
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I'm eating spaghetti. Nice good homemade spaghetti while watching a nice movie. Freedom Spaghetti. Hurray.
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If I were to stop eating I'd be dead in a week.
I'm on my ninth day.
*Shrug* guy might be right. People have different metabolisms.
Or enough fat to spare....
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I went on a hunger strike in between breakfast and 2nd breakfast and then again between 2nd breakfast and elevensies.
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i thought this thread was an abbreviation for:
''the dalai lama'' is in the hood
fuck sakes
fix this shit will you?
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i thought this thread was an abbreviation for:
''the dalai lama'' is in the hood
fuck sakes
fix this shit will you?
Looks fine to me.
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I went on a hunger strike in between breakfast and 2nd breakfast and then again between 2nd breakfast and elevensies.
:D
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I find it humorous that a guy who knows damn well he'd be put in contempt of court if he didn't take off his fucking hat is staging a hunger strike because he was in contempt of court for not wearing a hat because he was in court to be in contempt of court for not wearing a hat.
20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they prefer masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.
21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.
22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to invent problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.
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I think the hunger strike only lasted a few days.
Here is a letter from Ademo.
http://www.copblock.org/1783/from-ademo-to-the-best-movement-in-the-world/
To the best movement in the world,
First, I’d like to say THANK YOU! From the bottom of my heart every last one of you rock! With Pete’s insane arrest and with my crazy jail sentence – it has all been one hell of a ride.
People have partaken in call floods, operated websites, conducted media blitzes (to mainstream and social networks), created videos, wrote letters, changed profile pics and much much more. Again, thank you all.
Though from what I’m able to hear from inside Cheshire Co. Jail there are some questions about what to do now? As well as the occasional back and forth about what tactics to use? Before I get into what I’ve asked people to do, I want to make one point: WE’VE ALREADY DONE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART! (AND VERY WELL IMO)
To me, highlighting (and having it on video) the fact that a person can be assaulted, dragged from a room and caged for wearing a hat is the main focus. Yet, I was also caged for speaking out (and I’ll choose better words next time) against such action – which only reinforces that violence of the state. I’ve heard these videos have tens of thousands of views, made several blogs and even Yahoo news. Great job everyone – pat yourself on the back! You’ve made people more aware.
It’s a sad fact that sometimes (more times than not) civil disobedience leads to a cage (jail) and people we love are left to do the time. I’m well aware of this every time I engage the state and/or its agents. For me, the lessons learned by those videos and the inspiration they’ll bring to others (due to everyone’s hard work) is so much greater than the 60 days I’ll do in this cage.
If everyone wants to go back to their normal lives or other forms of activism for the rest of my sentence I’m ok with that. I promise I won’t be mad at you. Thanks to everyone who wrote letters, made donations to my commissary (Heika, M7 and George) and sent me books – I’ll get through this BS sentence with no problems. This is the life of an activist and my days are NOT lost here. I spend my time keeping a diary, writing letters and blog posts (for when I’m released), talking with jailers/inmates and taking visits from friends/family. I’ll be back before you know it!
Though I have asked a few activists to do some things for me, since I’m limited in here, and if you have time I’m sure they’d like some help:
* write/call Burke – ask him to reduce my sentence and try (I know it’s hard) to be more polite to him than I was [each Tue. Heika will hand-deliver all letters/emails sent to her to Burke: Heika Courser, 20 Forest St., Keene, NH 03431 or luvburke2liberty@yahoo.com]
* share the videos and post from Pete’s and my arrest [see http://copblock.org/freepete & http://copblock.org/freeademo]
* write or visit me [Adam Mueller, Cheshire County D.O.C., 825 Marlboro Road, Keene, NH 03431]
But the last thing I want is people fighting over what to do or feeling like you’ve failed because I’m still in jail. I expect and am prepared to be here for 60 days. In fact I’m proud to be here because I know I stood up for what’s right.
Your friend,
Ademo
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I find it humorous that a guy who knows damn well he'd be put in contempt of court if he didn't take off his fucking hat is staging a hunger strike because he was in contempt of court for not wearing a hat because he was in court to be in contempt of court for not wearing a hat.
20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they prefer masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.
21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.
22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to invent problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.
The Unibomber's Manifesto?
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I find it humorous that a guy who knows damn well he'd be put in contempt of court if he didn't take off his fucking hat is staging a hunger strike because he was in contempt of court for not wearing a hat because he was in court to be in contempt of court for not wearing a hat.
20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they prefer masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.
21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.
22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to invent problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.
The Unibomber's Manifesto?
He knew what was going on. That's probably what drove him mad.
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I don't think he knew what was going on but I think he was right about those three points.
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I find it humorous that a guy who knows damn well he'd be put in contempt of court if he didn't take off his fucking hat is staging a hunger strike because he was in contempt of court for not wearing a hat because he was in court to be in contempt of court for not wearing a hat.
20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they prefer masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.
21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.
22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to invent problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.
The Unibomber's Manifesto?
He knew what was going on. That's probably what drove him mad.
Got to agree. He was right on that line between geniuses and insane. Something pushed him all the way over it to the insane side. Might have been simply the truth.
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I find it humorous that a guy who knows damn well he'd be put in contempt of court if he didn't take off his fucking hat is staging a hunger strike because he was in contempt of court for not wearing a hat because he was in court to be in contempt of court for not wearing a hat.
20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they prefer masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.
21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.
22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to invent problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.
The Unibomber's Manifesto?
He knew what was going on. That's probably what drove him mad.
Got to agree. He was right on that line between geniuses and insane. Something pushed him all the way over it to the insane side. Might have been simply the truth.
I don't think he was insane, he just expressed his anger about the situation in unproductive ways.
I never saw any evidence that he was delusional. Just set on using violence on seemingly random targets.
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I find it humorous that a guy who knows damn well he'd be put in contempt of court if he didn't take off his fucking hat is staging a hunger strike because he was in contempt of court for not wearing a hat because he was in court to be in contempt of court for not wearing a hat.
20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they prefer masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait.
21. Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists' hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.
22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to invent problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.
The Unibomber's Manifesto?
He knew what was going on. That's probably what drove him mad.
Got to agree. He was right on that line between geniuses and insane. Something pushed him all the way over it to the insane side. Might have been simply the truth.
I don't think he was insane, he just expressed his anger about the situation in unproductive ways.
I never saw any evidence that he was delusional. Just set on using violence on seemingly random targets.
Hmm, you might be right, I never looked at it that way. All I knew is he would randomly target a perceived enemy. Guess I just assumed he was crazy.
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Fun piece of trivia. I drove through Lincoln Montana a few hours before they arrested the unibomber there.
If a person is so afraid of something that he acts out in self defense inappropriately, is that crazy?.... I don't think so.
But Ted Kaczynski did want to control people through violence and fear, that is a sign of a sociopath.
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http://www.copblock.org/1748/freeademo/
Tue., Feb 8th – UPDATE: Ademo is scheduled to appear before judge Burke on Wed., Feb. 9th per a motion that was filed on his behalf that states that he has served enough time for his actions. Please don’t inundate Burke with calls at this moment – let’s let the motion and Ademo’s statement stand on their own merits and hope Burke does the right thing.
http://freekeene.com/2011/02/09/ademo-is-out/
After apologizing to the man in the robe, Ademo was released from his cage today. Pete Eyre and Rich Angell’s trials are scheduled for 6/27. Video to come.
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That's the Monday after Porcfest, looks like those trials may be well attended.
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Of course they will! These men are HEROES OF THE PEACEFUL REVOLUTION!!!
Keene is the center of the nonviolent evolution, my cup runneth over, and i shall not want
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Do Smeg and Ademo have something going on? Or is there some three way thing going on with smeg/pete/adam?
When the TSA thing happened to her in FL, she was down there visiting Adam and Pete, IIRC.
When Pete and Adam got put in jail, she seemed pretty upset....more than usual.
Looks like she was crying after Ademo had his court appearance.
[youtube]vVX5XtpiCaM[/youtube]
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If they are doing anything sexual (but I doubt it) more power to them.
Adam and Pete were there for Meg during her airport drama a while back, when someone helps you when you are distressed you are attached to that person. Meg is a fairly emotional person and someone who did so much for her was being jacked and she couldn't do a damn thing for him. She probably felt physical pain.
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Of course they will! These men are HEROES OF THE PEACEFUL REVOLUTION!!!
Keene is the center of the nonviolent evolution, my cup runneth over, and i shall not want
Remember what a hero is: Someone who gets other people killed.
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Sam Dodson is being a douchebag again apparently, and he's not even a freestater anymore.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/SovereignCurtis/posts/146995462026306
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Sam Dodson is being a douchebag again apparently, and he's not even a freestater anymore.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/SovereignCurtis/posts/146995462026306
you don't have a screen shot of that? The link isn't working for me.
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Sam Dodson is being a douchebag again apparently, and he's not even a freestater anymore.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/SovereignCurtis/posts/146995462026306
you don't have a screen shot of that? The link isn't working for me.
Thread was deleted, damn. Should have taken the screen shot when I had a chance, I should have known better.
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Details, please. Whatever you can remember. Enquiring minds.
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Curtis got pissed about Sam not providing the footage to him for the Soapbox Idol at the last Porcfest. Promises, and then he stopped replying all together. Sam basically claimed he didn't get paid enough to give a shit about it, even though he voluntarily agreed to it.
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From what I understand, NONE of that footage is around at all.
That was a hell of a rig he had and a hell of a lot of work to do nothing with.
Lame.
The worst part is, is that we'd brought all of the Think Twice shit, saw his rig, and didn't bother to shoot video of anything because it looked like there was no reason to bother.
That dude is a fucking kook.
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That sucks Shaw. Perhaps a professional (real professional) should be hired next time. Someone who relies on payment for their daily bread.
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From what I understand, NONE of that footage is around at all.
So the data corruption excuse is a ruse?
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From what I understand, NONE of that footage is around at all.
So the data corruption excuse is a ruse.
I have no doubt it's a load of shit, but I have no evidence, so take that as you will.
The idea that a dude with that much rig set up could fat finger all of his data is... Well, it's the act of a person with lots of money but no basic practical knowledge or talent.
I've got three copies of everything Think Twice has done. One is off site, one is an onsite backup, (An external hard drive that doesn't even get turned on unless a backup is being made.) and a work drive.
I've had three scares due to data issues, none of which ended in lost labor. (Well, I lost about five days once.)
You don't buy a camera that nice and a crane and all that shit and then wipe your ass with your data. I flat out do not believe that he's that dumb, whether I agree with any of his nonsense ideas or not.
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So would you like to film this year's PorcFest/SBI?
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So would you like to film this year's PorcFest/SBI?
I'll talk to Jason about it. Depends on how things are with the movie, which may get delayed again because my wife just lost her job today. (Sigh)
Frankly, I dunno if we're even going to Porcfest this year.
If we're able to do something, you'll have a lot of notice, though. Couple months or whatever.
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From what I understand, NONE of that footage is around at all.
So the data corruption excuse is a ruse?
Maybe smeg wiped it out the night she went nuts on Sam.
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From what I understand, NONE of that footage is around at all.
So the data corruption excuse is a ruse?
Maybe smeg wiped it out the night she went nuts on Sam.
Then why wouldn't he just use that as an excuse?
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From what I understand, NONE of that footage is around at all.
So the data corruption excuse is a ruse?
Maybe smeg wiped it out the night she went nuts on Sam.
Then why wouldn't he just use that as an excuse?
You kidding? Let the world know he got bested by a woman? Mr cup guy starer downer? I know guys like that. They would never admit something like that.
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This is still the last update on copblock.org/freeademo, as far as I can tell.
http://www.copblock.org/1748/freeademo/
Tue., Feb 8th – UPDATE: Ademo is scheduled to appear before judge Burke on Wed., Feb. 9th per a motion that was filed on his behalf that states that he has served enough time for his actions. Please don’t inundate Burke with calls at this moment – let’s let the motion and Ademo’s statement stand on their own merits and hope Burke does the right thing.
What's up with that?
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Sam was thinking "don't fuck up the data, pleaseeee don't fuck up the data",
To which the universe responded with a slightly different interpretation.
I think labeling him as a "KOOK" is an understatement.
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I think labeling him as a "KOOK" is an understatement.
kook (kk)
n. Slang
A person regarded as strange, eccentric, or crazy.
I dunno, I think it's close. Calling him irrational just doesn't have the same punch.
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Sorry folks, at least the things the data is stored in are around. I've picked them up and stuff.
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I think labeling him as a "KOOK" is an understatement.
kook (kk)
n. Slang
A person regarded as strange, eccentric, or crazy.
I dunno, I think it's close. Calling him irrational just doesn't have the same punch.
I was more referring to the surf definition of kook, I think you can replace surfing with anything else and it fits.
Kook: a kook is a poser who show up to the beach wearing a top of the line wetsuit and carrying a spanking new surfboard, checks the surf for an hour before actually getting wet, when it is obviously pumping, then he enters the water and proceeds to splash around like a drowning rabbit. A wannabe.
Or
kook: A person posing as a surfer, or telling everyone that he can bust a snap, bottom turn, or barrel when they can't. Does not know the proper surf terminology or vocab. Ie. uses terms that don't make any sense
Non-kook: A person being honest about their surfing ability. Honestly expresses their surfing ability. Does NOT drop in on other surfers or snake them. Follows the rules of the lineup.
Example of the difference:
Kook: "So yea, I was out busting some gnarly pounders when this huge curler came through and swamped me. Lucky for me I just jumped on my board and threw a gnarly air over the white wash without even trying. Hee hee hee."
Surfer: "Awww man. That last set was a real clean up. I got hit pretty bad. Damn thing held me down for a while. Hey theres a good set. By the way you can bust a pretty solid snap on these. Not much force though. You have to really paddle for these."
OR
"Did you see that air? I was worried that I was going to break my board that time. But this kook dropped in on me and freakin' nearly took my head off. It's all good but...
(kook now yelling at surfer to not drop in on him).
Surfer: "You dropped in on ME! I didn't drop in on you!
Kook: Yeah well, watch where you're going bro!
Surfer: "What a kook."
ETC.
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I thought "Kook" was different than "Shoulder Hopper"..
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Keeniacs: turning off local hearts & minds
http://www.wmur.com/video/26935273/detail.html
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Highlighted in the video, the Keene City Council Drinking game and Ian sitting on the hood of a police car. I was ridiculed when I dropped my AMP, indicating that this type of activity would not be considered constructive by most observers. I feel a bit vindicated on those counts, and would not have been surprised if they'd also shown video of "chalking" taking place. It was no surprise they collected video of Sam's confrontation as well. Frankly, the only thing I thought was unfair reporting was the claim that Ian was arrested for not sitting down in court, when the video right before the claim showed him sitting down, though not as quickly as the tyrant in the dress would have liked.
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:roll:
[youtube]eKxEvN8LETA[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKxEvN8LETA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKxEvN8LETA)
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The Kannings left the state?
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I dunno Dennis, for such a clearly ridiculous tabloid program they did do a pretty good job of not lumping all of you in together.
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Denis doesn't know his Zappa.
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I think the saddest part of this is it is all ancient history. I don't remember when the drinking game took place, but it has been a long time. The Keeniacs have been largely silent for many months. I think Denis, although in many ways right, is being counter productive by rubbing this in their faces, when they haven't done anything foolish for some time.
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I think the saddest part of this is it is all ancient history. I don't remember when the drinking game took place, but it has been a long time. The Keeniacs have been largely silent for many months. I think Denis, although in many ways right, is being counter productive by rubbing this in their faces, when they haven't done anything foolish for some time.
I think the point is valid. The news story just came out, and it's the kind of general reaction he and I both alluded to at the time these stunts were pulled. At least this goes for the ones I referred to, and my complaint wasn't that they were pulled, but that they were covered on the show as if they were something to be proud of. The fact that they were picked out, amongst others, by the WMUR reporter seems to vindicate me after my opinion was ridiculed on the show.
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Denis doesn't know his Zappa.
I know this all too well. Funny you should mention it.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/free-thought-association-game/msg621935/#msg621935
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=4854.msg
Keene Activist Center needs a new Manager
Coming this Spring (four weeks from now) - the KAC will be under new management! Meg will be moving on to other projects. Thanks to her for getting the ball rolling!
However, it has yet to be decided who will be the new manager(s). Are you interested? PM me if so.
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What is that, CEO of Keeniacs, Inc.? Is that the "ringleader" the police come after?
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What is that, CEO of Keeniacs, Inc.? Is that the "ringleader" the police come after?
Ha ha, I like to point at Ian and say "He's our leader!/in charge!" anytime police walk by.
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Did Smeg decide she didn't want to be the KAC manager any more, or did someone else decide Smeg needed to be replaced?
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It looks like Ian is the "owner" of the KAC.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=4854.msg50576#msg50576
Is this all because I started an activist center before Aida did? You know, your mistaken idea that I "stole" her vision? Funny how your problems with me seemed to start at the same time as the KAC was supposed to originally open in October. Before that I had no idea that you were upset in any way with me. My activist center was inspired by Ernie Hancock's in Phoenix long before I heard Aida talking about it, but even if it was Aida who inspired it, so what? It's not like the ideas were the same. Aida's was more of a rooming house idea. If she were seriously moving forward like she claimed to be, she should have pressed on. The KAC wouldn't have been hard to compete with, but she chose not to.
Is Smeg taking off with the Liberty on Tour guys?
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It looks like Ian is the "owner" of the KAC.
That's because nothing is happening, activists are leaving
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It looks like Ian is the "owner" of the KAC.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=4854.msg50576#msg50576
Is this all because I started an activist center before Aida did? You know, your mistaken idea that I "stole" her vision? Funny how your problems with me seemed to start at the same time as the KAC was supposed to originally open in October. Before that I had no idea that you were upset in any way with me. My activist center was inspired by Ernie Hancock's in Phoenix long before I heard Aida talking about it, but even if it was Aida who inspired it, so what? It's not like the ideas were the same. Aida's was more of a rooming house idea. If she were seriously moving forward like she claimed to be, she should have pressed on. The KAC wouldn't have been hard to compete with, but she chose not to.
Is Smeg taking off with the Liberty on Tour guys?
Is she? That would be sweet. She is good with a camera and the guys would be able to do more clips where they are both in them. Plus the liberty on tour editing would be a hell of a lot more structured. I spent a lot of time going "Huh?" when I watched their stuff.
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It looks like Ian is the "owner" of the KAC.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=4854.msg50576#msg50576
Is this all because I started an activist center before Aida did? You know, your mistaken idea that I "stole" her vision? Funny how your problems with me seemed to start at the same time as the KAC was supposed to originally open in October. Before that I had no idea that you were upset in any way with me. My activist center was inspired by Ernie Hancock's in Phoenix long before I heard Aida talking about it, but even if it was Aida who inspired it, so what? It's not like the ideas were the same. Aida's was more of a rooming house idea. If she were seriously moving forward like she claimed to be, she should have pressed on. The KAC wouldn't have been hard to compete with, but she chose not to.
Is Smeg taking off with the Liberty on Tour guys?
That seemed like a totally random question. I cannot figure out what would cause someone to ask such a question. I'll gladly answer it if you explain how you came up with the question.
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Is Smeg taking off with the Liberty on Tour guys?
That seemed like a totally random question. I cannot figure out what would cause someone to ask such a question. I'll gladly answer it if you explain how you came up with the question.
Smeg acts like one or both of those guys are her boyfriend. Right before the KAC opened, she went on "vacation" to visit them in FL.
As far as I know, Smeg was living with Ian, and if she is no longer going to manage the KAC, I assume she is moving. If I had to take a guess as to who she would move in with, it would be the people she treats like boyfriends.
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http://www.graftongulch.com/
Hiatus
A number of events have occurred that make me decide I do not want to create Grafton Gulch any more. I'm sorry. It would have been fun. If I change my mind in the future, this website will inform you.
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Apparently Ivy Walker is causing more drama. This time in Grafton, by apparently not paying an electric bill and refusing to let others get service in their name to restore it. The Gulch drama seems related to this.
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People who can't manage their finances should run for Budget Commitee.
http://www.townofgraftonnh.com/townmeeting/2011candidates.html
Budget Committee (1 year) – Vote for one
Sharon “Ivy” Walker
Scott D. Smith
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The Keeniacs have been largely silent for many months... they haven't done anything foolish for some time.
The new bench mark for the anti social Keeniacs.
I don't think I am "square", maybe I am and just don't know it, and those antics turned me off completely from ever moving to NH. All I see are a bunch of pot smok'n hippies. Absolutely not my crowd. More the type of crowd I'd make fun of endlessly.
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they're just gettin their feet wet. testing the water..
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Is Smeg taking off with the Liberty on Tour guys?
That seemed like a totally random question. I cannot figure out what would cause someone to ask such a question. I'll gladly answer it if you explain how you came up with the question.
Smeg acts like one or both of those guys are her boyfriend. Right before the KAC opened, she went on "vacation" to visit them in FL.
As far as I know, Smeg was living with Ian, and if she is no longer going to manage the KAC, I assume she is moving. If I had to take a guess as to who she would move in with, it would be the people she treats like boyfriends.
As far as I know, Smeg isn't with any of the LOT people. As far as I know, Ethan is the only one of them physically touring, anyway.
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The Keeniacs have been largely silent for many months... they haven't done anything foolish for some time.
The new bench mark for the anti social Keeniacs.
I don't think I am "square", maybe I am and just don't know it, and those antics turned me off completely from ever moving to NH. All I see are a bunch of pot smok'n hippies. Absolutely not my crowd. More the type of crowd I'd make fun of endlessly.
Less than 5% of FSPers in NH live in Keene. Some of the FSPers in Keene don't even consider themselves Keeniacs and many don't or rarely smoke pot.
There is more positive activism happening in Keene than there was 3 or 6 months ago. Activism is increasing and it's taking better forms.
I'm been turned off by a lot of the antics by those in and around Keene also. The silly activism, the public cursing, the standing in front of police cars, the bull horns, the holier than thou attitudes and endless drama. The holier than thou and endless drama stuff is still happening, and maybe even increasing but all of the other activism that turned me off is decreasing in Keene.
The overall activism is increasing but some of the activist are constantly bashing others for their own entertainment. And yes, even as new people move in and people continue to visit, more activists are thinking of moving from the area.
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Apparently Ivy Walker is causing more drama. This time in Grafton, by apparently not paying an electric bill and refusing to let others get service in their name to restore it. The Gulch drama seems related to this.
Was she living at the Hoyt Farm?
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Apparently Ivy Walker is causing more drama. This time in Grafton, by apparently not paying an electric bill and refusing to let others get service in their name to restore it. The Gulch drama seems related to this.
Was she living at the Hoyt Farm?
If that's the one Condon owns, I think.
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Less than 5% of FSPers in NH live in Keene. Some of the FSPers in Keene don't even consider themselves Keeniacs and many don't or rarely smoke pot.
I have no issues with pot smoking per se. It is the in your face “look how anti authority I am” that turns me off. Guess the smoking is just the vehicle and makes them an easy target for stereotyping. If a fellow libertarian (or what ever the current word is) is inclined to call them dirty hippies just think of what the muggles must think.
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Less than 5% of FSPers in NH live in Keene. Some of the FSPers in Keene don't even consider themselves Keeniacs and many don't or rarely smoke pot.
I have no issues with pot smoking per se. It is the in your face “look how anti authority I am” that turns me off. Guess the smoking is just the vehicle and makes them an easy target for stereotyping. If a fellow libertarian (or what ever the current word is) is inclined to call them dirty hippies just think of what the muggles must think.
Baww.
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Less than 5% of FSPers in NH live in Keene. Some of the FSPers in Keene don't even consider themselves Keeniacs and many don't or rarely smoke pot.
I have no issues with pot smoking per se. It is the in your face “look how anti authority I am” that turns me off. Guess the smoking is just the vehicle and makes them an easy target for stereotyping. If a fellow libertarian (or what ever the current word is) is inclined to call them dirty hippies just think of what the muggles must think.
Yep, plus if you're gonna pick a cross to die on, it should be something BIG like not paying income or property tax. Something that pisses everyone off that likes small government, something everyone can get behind. Cant do it the way the Browns did it either. Gotta get everyone in on it.
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Yep, plus if you're gonna pick a cross to die on, it should be something BIG like not paying income or property tax. Something that pisses everyone off that likes small government, something everyone can get behind. Cant do it the way the Browns did it either. Gotta get everyone in on it.
Totally, for most of the liberty activists in NH, that seems to be a more likely scenario than some of the silly things that have happened in Keene in the past.
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Told a dude living in Manchester about the Free State Project today! He seems really interested yay.
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PorcFest Dllama
Foul! Why Squash independent effort at Porcfest ? Curtis? (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23101)
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Yep, plus if you're gonna pick a cross to die on, it should be something BIG like not paying income or property tax. Something that pisses everyone off that likes small government, something everyone can get behind. Cant do it the way the Browns did it either. Gotta get everyone in on it.
like the canarios crusade to drive w/out a license?
& spend 6 mos. of their life in jail?
fucking balloon-heads
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Yep, plus if you're gonna pick a cross to die on, it should be something BIG like not paying income or property tax. Something that pisses everyone off that likes small government, something everyone can get behind. Cant do it the way the Browns did it either. Gotta get everyone in on it.
like the canarios crusade to drive w/out a license?
& spend 6 mos. of their life in jail?
fucking balloon-heads
Yeah, thats one of those things you wanna keep on the low-down if you're doing it, know whaddamean? Not gonna get the drivers license laws abolished by being one of 4 or 5 people doing it. Just putting cash in the cops pockets and paying to fill the gas tank of the squad car.
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PorcFest Dllama
Foul! Why Squash independent effort at Porcfest ? Curtis? (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23101)
More PorcFest Dllama: Why aren't you promoting the shit out of PorcFest as you promised?!? Don hasn't spoke yet. Pimp that shit or else.
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dude.
save me a spot so i can sell shitty t-shirts & generally piss people off.
can i get drunk & play loud music till all hours?
if so, count me in.
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Why aren't you promoting the shit out of PorcFest as you promised?!?
1. Kinda busy between 65+ hour work-week, family, my ailing mother, getting elected Selectman of my town, upcoming Town Meeting, NHLA responsibilities, producing a libertarian talk show shown in 14 towns across NH, and occasionally sleeping
2. PF is still rather a long way off. It's not the hottest item in my activism to-do list just yet.
Don hasn't spoke yet. Pimp that shit or else.
And they picked you to organize this event?
The FSP should get its head checked.
No, strike that: the FSP Prez should think long and hard about what her legacy will be....
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dude.
they could do a LOT worse & have the kanning kooks from nh underground running shit...
w/ their shit-house-crazy rat posse.
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they could do a LOT worse & have the kanning kooks from nh underground running shit...
IIRC, a few years ago Russ was in fact one of the organizers for PF.
... until he was imprisoned. I think then the responsibilities were shifted to others.
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if straw-hat were running things, there should be no registration, permits, designated sections, rules,or ANY authority.
those hypocritical cunts would allow total anarchy at the campground, if you subscribe to the horse-shit they shovel at ''their'' website.
license?
fuck you.
permit?
fuck you.
vendor fee?
fuck you.
i can't set up my shit over there?
let me consult w/ ''jim johnson''....he says i should tell you.....fuck you.
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legacy
LOL
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Why cannot everyone just be nice and get along?
Denis, I love you. Curtis, I poked you on FB and will poke you again.
Where is the love? Porcfest is awesome, the NHLA is wicked awesome, the FSP President is fuckin' fantastic!
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Why cannot everyone just be nice and get along?
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Oooooooooooooo Pictures.
(http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/fuck_off_swans.jpg)
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http://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/denis-goddard
Denis Goddard
Hopkinton Selectman, New Hampshire
Elected: Mar 2011
Term: 3 years
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http://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/denis-goddard
Denis Goddard
Hopkinton Selectman, New Hampshire
Elected: Mar 2011
Term: 3 years
Sweet.
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I wonder how many statist things he'll vote for just to win hearts and minds.
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big nig jealous
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I wonder how many statist things he'll vote for just to win hearts and minds.
If he's been in for 3 years, can't you just check his voting record?
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He just got elected to a three year term. I think he's only voted on a couple matters so far.
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Actually I just got sworn in yesterday
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Actually I just got sworn in yesterday
Don't fuck up...
That's it.
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Actually I just got sworn in yesterday
Yeah, I know. That's kind of how this stuff works :) Unless they are talking about your previous position.
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Actually I just got sworn in yesterday
So, can that be correctly interpreted to mean that you've sworn to preserve and protect the rules the state makes for others?
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/III/42/42-1.htm
CHAPTER 42
OATHS OF TOWN OFFICERS
Section 42:1
42:1 Oath Required. – Every town officer shall make and subscribe the oath or declaration as prescribed by part 2, article 84 of the constitution of New Hampshire and any such person who violates said oath after taking the same shall be forthwith dismissed from the office involved.
http://www.nh.gov/constitution/oaths.html
[Art.] 84. [Oath of Civil Officers.] Any person chosen governor, councilor, senator, or representative, military or civil officer, (town officers excepted) accepting the trust, shall, before he proceeds to execute the duties of his office, make and subscribe the following declaration, viz. -
I, A.B. do solemnly swear, that I will bear faith and true allegiance to the United States of America and the state of New Hampshire, and will support the constitution thereof. So help me God.
I, A.B. do solemnly and sincerely swear and affirm that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all duties incumbent on me as ................................................., according to the best of my abilities, agreeably to the rules and regulations of this constitution and laws of the state of New Hampshire. So help me God.
Any person having taken and subscribed the oath of allegiance, and the same being filed in the secretary's office, he shall not be obliged to take said oath again.
Provided always, when any person chosen or appointed as aforesaid shall be of the denomination called Quakers, or shall be scrupulous of swearing, and shall decline taking the said oaths, such person shall take and subscribe them, omitting the word "swear," and likewise the words "So help me God," subjoining instead thereof, "This I do under the pains and penalties of perjury."
I, A.B., do solemnly and sincerely swear and affirm, that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent on me as....................according to the best of my abilities, agreeably to the rules and regulations of this constitution, and the laws of the State of New Hampshire. So help me God.
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So I guess I was correct...and supporting secession is out too.
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Unless you break that oath, it being made as a contract with the government (which are never real).
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=4945.msg51233#msg51233
Ian:
Room for rent in KAC as of mid-to-late-April, includes bonus VIP membership!
Approx 14x10' room including approx 6x4' closet for rent in the KAC, downtown Keene.
$400/mo + you will pay at most 1/3 of utilities, split with the KAC and the KAC manager, who lives on-site.
Also, in return for the fact that you will be living at the KAC, you will be comped a VIP membership, thanks to JJ, which is a $20 per month value!
Let me know if you are interested.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=4945.msg51233#msg51233
Ian:
Room for rent in KAC as of mid-to-late-April, includes bonus VIP membership!
Approx 14x10' room including approx 6x4' closet for rent in the KAC, downtown Keene.
$400/mo + you will pay at most 1/3 of utilities, split with the KAC and the KAC manager, who lives on-site.
Also, in return for the fact that you will be living at the KAC, you will be comped a VIP membership, thanks to JJ, which is a $20 per month value!
Let me know if you are interested.
Sweet. Wish I were there. Except only having one room would SUCK.
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Many of you have already seen this via facebook posts I bet:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiqedl9zZgA[/youtube]
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No longer backwards.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQv24tjLZo[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQv24tjLZo
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Full episode. I think that prostitute would make an excellent guest on Free Talk Live or maybe Mark could interview her. She seems to have a great understanding of liberty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ6v_DL6oXI
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NH State House protesters blame freestaters for less government spending
Keith and stuff
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?281-NH-State-House-protesters-blame-freestaters-for-less-government-spending
The juicy stuff:
As one of the government workers was removed from the gallery, he shouted, "keep blowing the free staters." As in, he was saying that the NH State House Representatives are sexually pleasuring Free State Project participants. It is true that around 14 FSP participants are State Reps in NH but I doubt the Speaker of the House or anyone else in leadership is performing heterosexual or homosexual acts on them.
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Later in the day, former NH State Senator Maggie Hassan (former because she lost in the 2010 election) gave a speech at the teacher's union protest in front of the State House. She indicated that some people implied that some of the protesters were from other states. (It is true, some protesters actually lived in MA, VT and NY and they proudly mentioned where they lived with shouting, chanting and signs.) She then mentioned how some of the people in House Speaker O'Brien's tea party caucus (something she made up as no such caucus exists) haven't been here (in New Hampshire) very long.
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Ian defends couple who skipped town after being exposed for bragging about inappropriate contact with their own child. Says children can consent to sex.
Where is blackie with the scoop?
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Ian defends couple who skipped town after being exposed for bragging about inappropriate contact with their own child. Says children can consent to sex.
Where is blackie with the scoop?
Wait...what?
link please
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Ian defends couple who skipped town after being exposed for bragging about inappropriate contact with their own child. Says children can consent to sex.
Where is blackie with the scoop?
He defended the couple? I think a couple people in the city were looking into helping change the couple, make them better people and all. Perhaps you know something I do not but...
Also, bragging? That seems like a gross mischaracterization of what happened.
I would also like a link to your claims.
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link please
this
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It was an epic Facebook thread that got deleted.
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It was an epic Facebook thread that got deleted.
It seems like you were not there and are unintentionally giving out wrong information.
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It was an epic Facebook thread that got deleted.
It seems like you were not there and are unintentionally giving out wrong information.
*DELETE BUTTON*
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Apparently there are copies of said FB thread floating around.
Christ, I am glad that:
a) I don't live in Keene, and
b) have no idea who the hell these people are
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It was an epic Facebook thread that got deleted.
It seems like you were not there and are unintentionally giving out wrong information.
*DELETE BUTTON*
So you were wrong, didn't correct your mistake even though I was nice about pointing it out and I'm the issue?
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It was an epic Facebook thread that got deleted.
It seems like you were not there and are unintentionally giving out wrong information.
*DELETE BUTTON*
So you were wrong, didn't correct your mistake even though I was nice about pointing it out and I'm the issue?
Keith, I know you love to play these games.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=22508.msg334332#msg334332
Ian:
It seems there are some frustrations posted here with the lowered popularity of the NHFree forum. I'd like to speculate on why that is. I think it's a convergence of several factors over time:
1. Russell and Kat left Keene and moved to Grafton. Russell and Kat were pioneers in this movement, and they took a lot of abuse at the hands of the state. I don't blame them for wanting to get away from it all. However, as a result of living in the woods, NHFree.com became less visible in activism videos and such. Their move to Grafton effectively broke up the nucleus of the originals in the Keene area. (Russell, Kat, Jim, Lauren, Roger, Elizabeth) Without their regular activism at places like the Keene post office, the brand became less-relevant.
2. Free Keene's forum. There was debate at the time when the FK forum launched as to whether it was needed. Coconut said no, I said I thought it was. Turns out, it was the right choice to make. Rather than one subforum of this forum, now Keeniacs and potential movers had a bevy of subforums all relating to the Keene area. If I recall correctly, NHFree was created out of a similar "split". It wasn't my intention to damage this forum, but only increase the discussion options for liberty lovers and decentralize the movement further. However, clearly the Keene area-posts are there now instead of here.
3. Russell and Kat left NH. This one hurt for me... Russell and Kat were inspirational to me, and I know I'm not alone. However, this site is their baby, and I'm sure it died a little more after they made the choice to leave.
4. The rise of Facebook. Clearly this one has already been addressed, and it's a biggie. Whether you like it or not, that's where the bulk of the activist community is. The facebook events are far better than a forum calendar for promotion. As others pointed out, the social networking aspect makes promoting our ideas to new eyes more effective than just posting on a forum. The market has spoken, and for the moment, FB is the place to be for activism organizing. Again, there are ways to do it anonymously, so I guess I don't get that objection.
5. Google calendar. I shut off the FK forum calendar and replaced it with Google calendar. CD Evolution is also using Google calendar. It makes it so our activist events can automatically show up on smartphones and other people's personal calendars. On the other hand, it means people need the forums less.
There are probably other reasons. But those are some of the reasons that I use this forum less often, for what they are worth.
UPDATE - I thought of another one.
6. The irrelevance of NHFree.com's main site. The wiki was a cool idea originally, but never panned out into much. The forum was (and is) always the draw to this site for me. NHFree.com's main page is mostly static and so likely doesn't do much to build any consistent traffic to continue to visit the site. Combined with the relative lack of promotion of the URL at activism events, when people DO come across NHFree.com, they enter the Underground to discover a confusing wiki with little fresh content.
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still more:
7. The social club aspect. There were conversations a year or two ago by some of us in Keene about what was happening with the decline of NHFree. The consensus was that it had morphed into a social forum for Russsell and Kat's friends. It's likely this impression came about because of some of the above mentioned factors, most likely because of the lowered profile of NHFree due to Russell and Kat's reduced public role. NHFree became a place to banter with others, but there just wasn't much activism being planned here.
8. Success breeds success, and the reverse is true. If you aren't expanding, you're dying. The success and failure of NHFree does not soley ride on Russell and Kat, but they were certainly a big factor. Many of these factors feed off of each other, resulting in a situation where the lowered visibility could be resulting in newer activists not even knowing about NHFree, meaning in many minds, NHFree just isn't on the radar.
Again, this site doesn't live or die based on Russell and Kat's participation in activism, but it is worth asking, *who* is out at activism events building the NHFree brand? I was at the tilting at windmills event this weekend, and despite a good turnout, the only site url visible on signage was NHJury.com. Roger was a key player in promoting the brand, but I don't recall the last time I saw a video from him. Beyond that, *why* would anyone bother? There are other, more active brands in play now, like NHJury, CDEvolution, FreeKeene.
If you are upset about the decline in popularity of this site, you only have yourself to blame.
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Here's a perfect example of why people don't post here as often as in the past:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=22456.0
Wes posts notice of bringing back the Tilting at Windmills event and is rewarded for his efforts by being attacked by two forum moderators. (Russell is the only mod who posts his appreciation.)
The atmosphere promoted in the above thread reenforces the idea that this is just a social club for the Kannings and friends. Punish people verbally for bothering to come add value to this forum and watch as they never return.
Tom Sawyer:
I had composed the following before seeing that Ian had continued ...
I can't at this point address all his points... and that is best for another thread or not at all. :)
Ian...
You specifically have said in the past that there is no privacy. Changing your position to fit the current need in the discussion is not something that only I have accused you of. I like to think that you fire from the hip sometimes and later have to refine your position.
We no longer attend the social sundays for several reasons...
Every weekend is too frequent, thus not knowing when is the best once a month choice (that we had in the past) means it just slipped out of our agenda.
The location was changing so frequently.
Not very entertaining for families.
As to families...
Michael's (great guy) group that was created doesn't require you to be a family, but does require you to be on Facebook. lol
Your show defending, and excusing kiddie diddlers seems to have attracted a few pervs to Keene.
The protest, such as 420 etc. have a vibe that our son doesn't want to do... he stood toe to toe with asshole cops in many locations... the hemp rallies in Boston, he had a great time. But the scruffly looking, loogy spitting, picking up other peoples cigarette butts to smoke people... all to the sounds of a bullhorn things seem to turn civilized folks off. lol I only slam that because of you beating the drum and promoting to icon status people that should have been watched from a wary distance.
Your analysis of the decline of activities that had attracted us to Keene has merit. I was pleased that someone was willing to take up the role of organizing things... You. I tried to participate on your forum, but you kept harping on the physical location aspect... I had been an activist in Keene for 5 + years, been going there for almost 20...
As I've stated already, anyone outside the geopolitical boundary was systematically excluded... Your "brand", and it's success, is the primary concern that drives your decisions. Russell, as example, wanted the movement, the issues to prevail... even if it was someone else's "franchise" that was the vehicle.
Your constant insistance that FreeKeene and the underground are in competition illustrates your model, which I contend is flawed.
Your social experiment of the FTL BBS was a failure, even though you were adamant that you were on the right path.
Back on the topic of FACEBOOK... The ranking of that site...
The number one single right now...
E.T. Katy Perry Featuring Kanye West Teenage Dream
;D ;D ;D that is some awful shit... so the ranking among the mass audience is often not a good indicator. One of the things that made me realize that FACEBOOK was probably a bad direction was that every doofus is doing it now... lol Of course it's all the latest craze for web developers...
The LP also thought we should model ourselves on what the major parties, biggest players did... that worked well.
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I was listening to the Friday 04-01 show, and Ian said Rich Paul had taken a plea deal in Greenfeild MA.
He got a $300 fine. Did he pay it?
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=22508.msg334332#msg334332
Tom Sawyer:
The protest, such as 420 etc. have a vibe that our son doesn't want to do... he stood toe to toe with asshole cops in many locations... the hemp rallies in Boston, he had a great time. But the scruffly looking, loogy spitting, picking up other peoples cigarette butts to smoke people... all to the sounds of a bullhorn things seem to turn civilized folks off. lol I only slam that because of you beating the drum and promoting to icon status people that should have been watched from a wary distance.
Yep.
I always liked that guy.
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Free Staters Drop the Ball on Child Predators~!!!!!!!
by Summer Jamie Aspen on Thursday, March 31, 2011 at 7:58pm
Pedophile alert in the Free State Community...by Summer Jamie Aspen on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 8:30pm
I was asked to take this down and called in by Ian to a community meeting starting at 2:30 in the morning going until 5 am. Ian and Hunter were not at all about the issues surrounding the welfare of the child who's parents believe that having sexual relations with children of any age can be voluntary on the child’s part and is okay. All they cared about is that someone might have saw my post that could call cps. The trade off for deleting the post is that nic and lynze could talk to a therapist friend of mine in the free state community over Skype. Immediately after the conversation began Ian wanted to end it because his business of getting my post removed was done. The only help these people might ever get was right then talking to Wes.
I am scared for the safety of Kaius and other children in the community after learning that nic and Lindsey believe that it is okay to have sexual relations with children so long as the child is okay with it. Nic admitted to being attracted to children particularly young girls starting around age 8 and admitted to being a pedophile who has not acted on it yet except for mildly questionable actions with his son like letting his son fondle his penis in the shower. How he came to telling me this was after an entire days conversation on Sunday about children and sexuality...i was trying the whole day to find the best argument for why it's not okay to be sexual with a child even if they begged for it. I explained it can never be voluntary because of the power differential and because children are not in a voluntary situation as kids. He said pleasuring kids sexually if it makes them happy is the same as painting with them or playing soccer with them.
After this day long conversation nic and Lyndsey went into town for social Sunday at the V-bar. I stayed home so i could call my brother and discuss all my concerns with him...we then did a three way conversation with Wes Bertrand. They confirmed my argument about how it is unjustifiable period to try and rationalize adults having sex with kids. Lyndsey and Nic came home as i was finishing up talking to Wes. Lyndsey did not realize what nic and i were talking about all day as she was talking to jake (who happen to catch part of the conversation and told me to read about the ancient Greeks and how being sexual with kids was not bad...but i said nor was it in the best interest of the child) another new free stater while Nic and i were chatting.
Lyndsey realized that i knew about her and Nic's family secret when i confronted him asking if he has ever touched my daughter on her privates..he said no and reassured me that he is not attracted to babies, just little girls. Lyndsey was appalled and very upset that Nic admitted to me that he was a pedophile. I asked if he would schedule a discussion with Wes Bertrand the next night to help him understand what could be wrong with his psychology that he would find the idea of having 'voluntary' sex with children and even his own kids okay. he said yes he would chat with Wes. That is until Lyndsey became very upset with Nic that he wanted to get help because she doesn't believe there is anything wrong with this voluntary sex with young people either. She thinks it's ageism to put a label on what age you can or can't have sex.
Because Lyndsey was so angry and scared that she could lose Kaius if this info got into the wrong hands..i reassured her that i would not call cps and that i wouldn't tell their secret. i don't believe in cps..i think that cause in some cases more damage than abusive parents can with their government program. I don't believe cps in the answer to this issue..but i do believe community is. I am hoping that the free state community can come together in a meeting with Nic and Lyndsey to try and help them understand that this is one area of belief that they have truly dropped the ball. As free starters i believe we are more open to unconventional ideas and ways of life than most people but in the area of child sex with adults most free starters would find this equally appalling and be able to help Nic and Lyndsey come to their senses with a more rational argument than even i could offer them.
I called jj that night at about two in the morning to find other living arrangements. he came over the next morning and was confirmed by Nic and Lyndsey themselves that what i told him that night about what was going on with them is true. James Schlesinger was not able to knock any more sense into this idea of theirs that it could be very possible that an 8 year old girl could be mature enough and ready for sex may it be with her father or another older male adult. So we left and that was that.
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I spent the day yesterday trying to regroup from this whole new situation i am in with this knowledge i just learned about these two. I pretty much moved out here to create an intentional community of our own with these two with "unconditional parenting" and "unschooling" as the grounds of our parenting philosophy. I don't know anywhere in either of those philosophies that it talks about having sex with our kids. I have been trying to figure out how to present this and whether or not to present this to the community. I know that i feel incredibly duped and deceived to find out that they are pro pedophilia after coming here to live with them and Lindsey never planned to tell me ever!! If this conversation had of never come up I guess it would have be nic trying to have sex with my daughter once she was attractive to him and as long as she didn't say no!! this does not meet my need for honesty, integrity, communication, nor safety. because I feel so scared about what if have just learned and wish I had of known this before entrusting my daughter with them... I know that if they are not going to tell other families so that they can make educated decisions when hanging out with them then it is my social responsibility to expose this secret that could be hazardous to children!!
Please call me xxx-xxx-xxxx. I would rather everyone get to talk to nic and lyndsey about this in person and hear their argument themselves and everyone a chance to have a voice to express their concerns to them as a village would do.
~summer
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Scott Bieser Ian, I think it might be fruitful to have a discussion with someone like Stefan Molyneaux regarding child sexuality, if you want to have that sort of discussion.5 hours ago ·
Ian Freeman I have no interest in taking this discussion beyond this comment thread, Scott. I don't claim to know anything about raising kids, and will not pass judgement against people who deviate from the "norm", whatever that is. I only would judge those who are using force against their children.5 hours ago ·
Jeremy Sterling Frandsen If a child of 8 has sex with an adult it is force based on the very one side balance of power. How on earth could an 8 year old say no to the one that keeps you alive, you need to read up on child psychology a bit, holy hell...5 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel Amen Jeremy... and Ian what kind of freak are you? Going off your post a few minutes ago.. first of all it's very apparent you don't have any kids so let me spell something out for you Ian, ALL THAT SHIT IS WRONG!!!! You don't have sex with... your kids or in front of your kids, and you don't watch porn with your kids... and yes it is your business if you know someone is having sex with a child and do nothing you are just a s guilty! You think I was being barbaric, you haven't seen anything sugar britches, I catch someone molesting or raping my 8 y/o daughter then you would see "Barbaric" they would be severely tortured before they died...See More5 hours ago ·
Lucio Saverio Eastman @Ian your best bet at this point is to stop theorizing about something you know nothing about before you dig yourself into the deepest hole you've ever known. You are not helping the cause of liberty by treading down this supposed path of principled liberty. It's something you know absolutely nothing about and the more you post the deeper you dig yourself into this hole. It's not one you will be able to dig out of and it will be of your own doing...no violence necessary.5 hours ago ·
Ian Freeman Guess you haven't been listening long, Griffyn. We've talked about issues like this on-the-air before. I suppose you supported it when the texas state troopers kidnapped 400+ children from the FLDS cult?4 hours ago ·
Jason Osborne There is a difference between "force" and being a willful enabler of mental and physical damage to another person. If someone jumps off a roof in front of you, no, you did not "force" them. If, however, the jumper is a child in your custody... and you did nothing to stop them, then you have f*d up. If, further, the child asks you to throw them off the roof and you agree, then you are even more-so to be judged.
You know full well the potential damage that will result. Hey, you may say, there is a chance he won't break a single bone. Reason and evidence, however, causes us to expect that most likely injuries will abound.
"I jumped off a roof one time and am totally fine" is no excuse to sanction the wholesale throwing of children off roofs by their custodians, in willful ignorance of the countless piles of broken bones and tortured souls.See More4 hours ago ·
Ian Freeman Lou, I think I made it clear earlier - I don't claim to know anything about this issue. I do not support sex with children, however I won't support using anything greater than ostracism against these folks.4 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel It's interesting how people sit behind a computer or on air in your case and talk shit thinking they will never
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be held accountable for running their mouths, isn't that right Ian...did it ever occur to you that somebody who was such a psych...opath and so barbaric as you put it would be able to easily track you down if I wanted too...and remember this Liberty boy if it wasn't for me and others like me who sacrificed and served our Country in The Military, you would have no Liberties... so the next time your running your mouth make yourself useful and Thank a Vet!See More4 hours ago ·
Jason Osborne There's a surprise.4 hours ago ·
Ian Freeman It seems people are upset with me because I won't jump to the conclusion that these parents, who seem to be genuinely caring people, are damaging their child through their unusual method of raising their son. Seems to me to be a commentary on the pervasiveness of sexual repression in American society. There are many cultures where parents and children live in the same room, and the parents have sex in front of their children. To you, that is abuse, to them, that's normal.4 hours ago ·
Lucio Saverio Eastman @Ian unfortunately, your not making your case very well and you're painting yourself into a corner when dealing with parents of children. Let me give you an example of your current position: http://funnybackgroundpictures.com/files/2010/12/Mamma-Bear.jpg4 hours ago ·
Lucio Saverio Eastman Try to reason with that...good luck ;)4 hours ago ·
Ian Freeman What case, Lou? My case is that Summer should inform people privately about this matter. These parents are now scared that crazed people are out to kill them as a result of this public post. I doubt that was Summer's intention in making this post, but that is what has happened.4 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel Bullshit Ian, that's the equivalent of saying abortion needs to be legal in case of incest or rape which is .001 % of the times, meanwhile there are 500 million abortions a year in the U.S. were not talking about a family living in a one room grass hut in Africa who have no choice so don't try and twist shit around, were talking about a guy and his wife who straight up say there is nothing wrong with having sex with an 8 y/o child...4 hours ago ·
Ian Freeman I think there is something wrong with having sex with children, but these people have not done that and no one has alleged they have, yet people are threatening their lives.4 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel They have not done it yet but they said they would if they had the chance and who threatend their life?4 hours ago ·
Lucio Saverio Eastman Well, when you put yourself in the path of danger, given all of the evidence that there is danger involved in the path you've chosen, then danger is to be expected. There is no freedom without responsibility. Freedom does not exist without consequence. Choose whatever freedom you desire, but deal with the consequences that come with it or get the fuck out :)4 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel Ian are you a pacifist?4 hours ago ·
Ian Freeman Michael, you may want to review the earlier post you made where you threatened to break his neck.4 hours ago ·
Ian Freeman No, Michael.4 hours ago ·
Jason Osborne In some places it is normal to circumcise baby girls. Abuse or no?
This is not about jumping to conclusions and sexual repression. This is about paying attention to the multitudinous volumes of health science pertaining to this topic.
So on o...ne hand we have Mr. Kill Team dying to pose with mommy and daddy's corpses while on the other we have Koosh Barbrady wanting us to "move along, nothing to see here".See More4 hours ago ·
Lucio Saverio Eastman No one has threatened anyone's lives...unless the actual action occurs. Action > Reaction. It's an "If/Then" statement. Consequence for action. Pretty straight forward.4 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel Ian, that was said in the context if I had been in Summers place...4 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel Jason, do you mean female castration?4 hours ago ·
Lucio Saverio Eastman And I guarantee, as a parent of 5 children, "if" someone violates my minor children, "then" they will suffer violence at my hand.4 hours ago ·
Jason Osborne http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting4 hours ago ·
Kris Bro I dont know whats more disgusting anymore, your average military man, or a pedophile.4 hours ago ·
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Michael Meisel Jason, yes you did mean female castration and when you say normal I don't know if I agree with that having been to countries that practice this barbaric ritual and yes it's abuse...4 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel Hey Kris Bro, Blow Me!4 hours ago ·
Ian Freeman Yes - that's clearly abuse. It's using force against a child. I'm not saying move along. I'm saying yes, please tell other parents this info, but don't scatter shot it across the whole internet where people inclined to violence such as the police may be lurking.4 hours ago ·
Hoc Voluerunt Probably no libertarian i reckon. Anyway if he has those feelings for children it's his problem, when he makes it someone else his/her problem i fully agree with blowing the dingleberries off the twig.4 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel Who keeps erasing my posts dammit!4 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel "If anarchy means no law, then anarchy is a silly, Utopian, fantasy. Who here would not stop a man from raping a woman right in front of your face? Well, that's anarchist law being enforced. By stopping a rapist, does one become an arch? I think not. By enforcing the "Thou shalt not rape" law, one is restoring anarchy, because anarchy is peace!3 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel Thanks for the loan Kris Bro...3 hours ago ·
Hoc Voluerunt If anarchy means no law, then anarchy is a silly, Utopian, fantasy: It simply means no leaders of no authority. It doesnt mean that a community can not make their own police force. It does not mean everyone becomes a maniac firing guns at random an in almost a piraty way looting and raping amock, thats hollywood, not anarchy.3 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel and dangerous too Hoc...3 hours ago ·
Hoc Voluerunt @michael whats dangerous? i am all for anarchy.. Human nature is of itself not violant and immoral, it has to be conditioned that way. Like the state does. In anarchy the state is absent and no one can plunder legaly. This does not mean that a police force of some kind is not present... There might aswel be one, because people want it.. it's still anarchy, not the one hollywood stuffs in your brain.3 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel everyone becomes a maniac firing guns at random an in almost a piraty way looting and raping amock, that's what I said was dangerous too Hoc...3 hours ago ·
Kayleena Ali Sepulveda come back to utah!!!we miss you!!!!!!3 hours ago ·
Hoc Voluerunt It is michael, but thats not anarchy the way i know it to be.but this scenario will not happen spontaniously when state and law are gone. Bastiat said it well in his book "he law"It is not that people are moral because there is the law, it'...s because they are moral that they made the law. It only backfired because some immoral individuals used the law to sanction legal plunder and opression by the state. Anarchy is simple, if youi want protection you can hire anyone you like to do it for you. The wild west scenes from robocop and other movies portray anarchy in a very bad and fictional way.... thats not what anarchy entails, it's just as many things a hollywood fantasySee More3 hours ago ·
Hoc Voluerunt @Kayleena Wish i could goto utah, or anywhere in the states for that matter... Sick of communist Netherlands. Just that bloody greencard.... damn.. at least you guy's there have some sense of liberty3 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel I disagree with you on that statement Hoc "Human nature is of itself not violant and immoral it has to be conditioned that way, based on the Bible, and the fact that we have a sin nature...human nature is violent and has been since the fall in the garden...3 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel That theory that we are all basically good in our hearts is a huge lie... it says so in the Bible Hoc3 hours ago ·
Hoc Voluerunt Michael other than the fact that i disagree with you on the religious part... If people are as a matter of fact sinful and immoral, I WOULD NOT EVEN DARE HAVE THEM IN A STATE.... it's a falacious circle realy.
If people are moral we do not ...need a state, if they are not i dare not have one.
Thats why anarchy is the only moral option and only logical option to make . Why is people are imoral and seek out a masacre, would we give a small group power over everyone that consist of the same attributes? It's a fallacy and a fairytale you've been told, face it. Just take the variables and see to what conclusions you can come... It almost in every case results in anarchy being the best and moral option.See More3 hours ago ·
Hoc Voluerunt Michael, sorry but if i write down in a book and pass it down for 2000 hyears that someday humans will grow elephant ears and duck beaks, that does not make it true...It's a book, nothing more...3 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel I hear you guys are having some issues with the Muslim immigrants in The Netherlands, care to Comment
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Hoc?3 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel So your saying The BIble isn't true Hoc, do you believe in GOD?3 hours ago ·
Michael Meisel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyNCrZx9E4Q3 hours ago ·
Hoc Voluerunt @michael, yes we have problems with muslim immigrants.. alot of them dont speak the language and come directly in the welfare state to be taken care of by the politicians, they mostly contribute nothing and lawsuits allaround becausde they... feel discriminated on every turn. ... It's pathetic really but the state perpetuates it
About GOD.. I do not believe in god, that does not make my arguments any less valid though. Sure there could be some historical truth in the bible, or even some good moral lesson, but it's because humans are moral that they wrote this morality down in the bible to begin with.See More3 hours ago ·
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Summer Jamie Aspen How are you not like members of a catholic church covering up sick actions of their sick members.
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Summer Jamie Aspen Like JJ said..lot's of people don't like you and it's for a good reason not because i have talked any trash about you.
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Summer Jamie Aspen So you tradded sex for video games at age 10 with a 16 year old. And JJ said you think what people do with their kids is their business. How do you think that you are alright Ian?
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James Schlessinger Jr speak for yourself, Summer.
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Summer Jamie Aspen do i think we could all use a lot of therapy YES!! But people touching children sexually should have them taken away and THEN seek help.
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Summer Jamie Aspen It's this multigenerational ill treatment that leads to more messed up adults like Ian, you, and quite possibly me
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Ian Freeman You're twisting my words. I made it clear it was bad to post this publicly and you seemed to understand why. I only supported you informing people privately, and I think you are misinforming them privately.
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Summer Jamie Aspen But id say i am the much healthier person searching for reason and logic to make my decisions of what's right and wrong..and fighting for childrens right to not be sexually abused by adults who think it's just voluntary on the kids behalf!!!
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James Schlessinger Jr you're twisting my words as well, to suit your heroic fantasy.
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Summer Jamie Aspen yeah sure james you were there trying to convince Nic why it wasn't okay to touch children sexually the day you came to pick me up. What words exactly am i twisting!!
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Summer Jamie Aspen You were all there when they described why it's perfectly fine for them to let Kaius touch nics penis
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Summer Jamie Aspen I had immense social pressure to delete the post and nic and lindze wouldn't stay and talk to wes if i didn't. If i have to lie about deleting a post to get child predators some help i think that's pretty admirable eh??
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James Schlessinger Jr yeah, Wes B pressured you to take it down.
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Summer Jamie Aspen the fact that i was being pressured to take down my post for your numbers Ian is not virtue in the least.. i don't owe sick people honesty!!
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Summer Jamie Aspen Wes bertrand didn't pressure me to go to the Community Activist Center at 2:30 in the morning with my tired baby girl to argue with child predators to take down a post warning people about it!!
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Summer Jamie Aspen That was Ian!
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Summer Jamie Aspen Wes Bertrand only offered his oppinion and he was scared about an individuals violent suggestionl..so was i at that moment.
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James Schlessinger Jr i guess Wes was wrong to ask you to take it down
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Summer Jamie Aspen Yes he was james..he was thinking purely Non Violent Communication..HE WASN'T THINKING CONTEXT!
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Summer Jamie Aspen THE CONTEXT IS GET THE KID SAFE BEFORE ANYTHING!!
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Summer Jamie Aspen Before worrying about me sharing valid information with people we should have all been thinking of getting Kaius away from sick parents!!!
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Ian Freeman If you are accusing me of supporting sexually touching children, you are mistaken.
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Ian Freeman Robert, your response is indicative of why she should not have posted this. You have no idea what you are talking about. No one has had sex with children, period.
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James Schlessinger Jr I find child sex abhorrent and I believe Wes had said more about the facebook post than simply the violence. I believe Wes provided some wisdom about this and found his decision to take it down valuable.
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Summer Jamie Aspen Well Ian where was that conviction when you had the chance to talk to these people..why didn't you tell them not to have sex with children period while you had the chance!!
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Summer Jamie Aspen You and Hunter were flat out supporting them! I can see you are back peddling on your beliefs now like they were now that this is a public matter again!
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Summer Jamie Aspen @ James..Why didn't you give that oppinion to the pedophiles while you had the chance
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Summer Jamie Aspen Why were you all babying them and passifying frears and irrationality them with playing nice and understanding. Id say they needed a little laying down of truth by their community. Now they are gone and they believe you were all on their side being ambiguous about child sexuality appropriateness!
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Summer Jamie Aspen Sure Ian you are so conscerned about violence against adults like robert is talking about in dealing with this sick of parents..but you are not conscerned about what people do with their kids. SO you think having sex with kids is wrong..but you don't do something about it when you find out people who believe it is right and r actively starting in their childs sexual ventures together!!
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James Schlessinger Jr i did, multiple times, perhaps that does not suit your story, perhaps that makes
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me less of a villain than I need to be. Perhaps you are taking on a selective memory so you can simply collectivize and condemn all freestaters.
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Summer Jamie Aspen Also James..why don't you tell people why you really ostresized me today..when all i told you was i think i should have called cps. I was already told that i wasn't allowed at the KAC before i reposted this so IAN IS THE LIAR Here..He ostresized me also before i even reposted this and is just using this as an excuse to sound more noble.
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Ian Freeman I didn't have to tell them not to have sex with their child, because they AREN'T. His son touched his penis in the shower and said "pee-pee". Completely natural, nothing sexual about that. You are exaggerating this situation and libeling these people who have never harmed anyone.
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Summer Jamie Aspen Ian and James are fine with telling pedophiles that they are still welcome in the community and trying to get them to stay..but a REAL ACTIVIST taking action to warn the community and try and get the community together to do something is then OSTRESIZED for posting it publically and having the belief that CPS would have done more justice than i saw the community do.
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Summer Jamie Aspen What about everything they admited about having full intention of being sexual with their child Ian. Even thought the pp incident is all that has been told to us that they've done so far. And yes James saw them arguing for pro-having sex with children the day he came to pick me up. Once they know i'm onto them and getting their "secret" out to the public they are gonna start back peddaling!
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Summer Jamie Aspen yeah sure thats exaclty what i want to do is condemn all free staters.
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Summer Jamie Aspen There happens to be a lot of free staters that were very happy i publically posted and one that like michele seven who were really willing to do something about it!
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Summer Jamie Aspen Yes james..i remember you telling them not to mess with other peoples kids.
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Summer Jamie Aspen but you u also told them how much you still like them and wouldn't expose their secret to anyone else to make them feel better..james
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James Schlessinger Jr babying them? it is called compassion, a shade of love. You have much left to learn, Jamie.
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Ian Freeman I'd already decided to ostracize you before you posted this, Summer. I just hadn't talked to you yet. I'm ostracizing you because you trash-talked me to other people after I supported you and spoke of calling cps. JJ will happily refund your $5 membership fee I'm sure, but please keep your drama away from the KAC.
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Ian Freeman You lie or misinform at least twice in your first paragraph, Summer. I did not call the meeting. I was asked to attend by Nic and Lyndz. Also, I didn't call it over after you removed the post, that was hours later after a lengthy conversation. We were tired, it was late. We didn't leave until 6am and started around 2am.
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Mike Ruff I understand your concern. I agree that if you think someone is doing something wrong, you should pass the word. HOWEVER, your issue is with certain individuals, and not having spoken to all Participants in the FSP about this, I don't see how it is constructive or correct to say "Free Staters Drop the Ball..." Nor do I think it is correct to make such an allegation against the FSP in a public forum.
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Michele Seven
"I explained it can never be voluntary because of the power differential and because children are not in a voluntary situation as kids." I agree. I also believe that FB was the wrong forum. I emphatically state that I completely am able to... be compassionate in a way with Summer since I too was a mother of a 1-year-old
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at age 25 with a little girl and that neither Ian, Hunter, not JJ can. It would be great if everyone could cool off and stop slandering each other and give an opportunity for it to be revisited in the near future with the hope that all can be restored. In the words of Katy Perry, "shut up and put your money where your mouth is."See More
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Ian Freeman Robert, please try actually reading what I wrote. No one has grabbed any child's penis. I have never touched a child's genitals and yet Summer has made me out to be a supporter of such an act. She has attacked me because I would not join her witch hunt.
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Ian Freeman I have no reason to believe any such act was perpetrated outside of Summer's paranoid delusion.
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Heika Courser I'm not joining the witch hunt, but I do NOT condone sexual encounters with a child. From what I gather, there hasn't been anything sexually wrong as of yet. Summer, I talked to you at length about this subject, and you broke my trust. I now feel that you are not very trustworthy, and am very disappointed in your conduct. It's ok, you may ostracize me too. But don't tag me in this stuff anymore, I am done on this topic.
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Michele Seven
That's enough! Robert, you have no business calling Ian a pervert or making any other such slanderous accusation; Ian, try extending some grace and forgiveness- I am sure that at 2:30 am, anyone would feel intimidated being "talked to" by y...ou, Hunter and JJ. I've been on the receiving end of JJ's and Hunter's tirades- JJ is, I believe well-intentioned and Hunter is, well Hunter. If I were 25, up from 2-5 in a new community and had a child on my tit that I was still breastfeeding and I'd been told that which she claims to have been told, I'd be freaking out too. It's really easy to be a libertarian when everything is going your way. Welcome to the growing pains of liberty kids. Now buck up.See More
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Robert Lounsberry ehh..your right.. not my business...my apologies
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Robert Lounsberry i got bored and wanted to stir shit up.
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Ian Freeman Michele, you weren't there. We ended the night with a hug and her sending apologies to Nic and Lyndz. We had deescalated the situation - the meeting was a success. Now a day later she has reversed her position and has been trashing on me behind my back to my friends.
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OMG, wall of text! Whole BBS died in the tsunami.
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Michelle Seven comes off as the hero in that thread, Ian stuck to his principles and makes a lot of sense & JJ kept his cool.. all good stuff from them. Summer seems to be in a blind frenzy and focused on finding a witch to burn.
Surprising to see names mentioned on a facebook post on such a serious topic. I noticed Summer's phone number was xxx'd out... but the names of the accused and the (maybe) victim were left in... bad move.
This isn't "Nic" that sometimes co-hosts the show is it?
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That's not what I thought when I read the wall o' text.
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Way too long.
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That's not what I thought when I read the wall o' text.
Well what did you think?
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OMG, wall of text! Whole BBS died in the tsunami.
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Fear not, I've got ways (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/dalebert-and-my-anus/) of restoring this forum's intellectual discourse to its proper levels...
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This type of kinda pro-pedo FTL crap has been going on fer years, now....and for some reason Ian has not accepted that this is not good for building "The Brand". Most logical people looking to run a business would throw the pedo out of any "brand building" in the initial stages of forming a business plan. But for whatever reason, FTL continues to toss in this pedo crap, from time to time.
It's crazy! It's not being controversial or iconoclastic......it's just pure crazy. The only people that want to listen to a radio guy defend a pedo....are PEDOs!!!
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This isn't "Nic" that sometimes co-hosts the show is it?
It can't be the same "Nic". I'm pretty sure that "Nick" on the BBS and co-host goes by the name "Coconut", and I'm quite certain that he does not have children.
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Coc is married with children? That's news to me.
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Coc is married with children? That's news to me.
Somebody should probably tell him.
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That's not what I thought when I read the wall o' text.
Well what did you think?
I thought that soon Keith would be posting something about how these people aren't free staters.
I also thought....WTF, a 2:30 AM meeting?
Then I thought the first time a pedophile gets caught will be the first time they will admit to molesting a child. Kinda like when a teenager gets busted drinking. "It's the first beer I ever had, I swear!"
According to Summer, Nic admitted to being a pedophile, and doesn't think there is anything wrong with having sex with children, as long as it is voluntary. Multiple people were trying to explain why it is wrong....I was thinking "wat".
I also thought someone should probably contact the grandparents.
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I thought that soon Keith would be posting something about how these people aren't free staters.
I could look that up but neither of them gave their actual name and I doubt Summer did either, as she didn't seem truthful about anything.
My guess is that they were not FSPers and that Summer may or may not be.
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When did all this stuff go down?
Was March 31 the second posting?
Looks like Summer just made the move to NH.
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=4900.msg50694#msg50694
Hey Free Staters~! I am moving flying to NH in about 10 days. I want to get as involved as i can in NH with the Free State Project. I am a bit limited on the major activism stuff however as i have a nine month old baby girl who i will not leave for a second let alone go to jail. I am Voluntarist & Atheist. I consider myself a newby in this realm so i really just want to delve in as much as i can to the free state project upon moving near to Keane. I am going to be staying with another young family, a couple and their 2 yr old son so we can be possibly the first free state combined family cooperative if u will:) I know there are a lot of single people in Keene right now and I hope to bring in more of the family essence and also help be an advocate for unschooling and get as involved with any other unschooling parents who i might find in NH. I really believe the motto "live free or die" except i am in major life preservation mode with my first child right now and i'm sure i will stay that way. But I have such a ultra free curious spirit if u will...that has been so beaten in this system but not broken..i never want my daughter to have this treatment of authoritarian dictatorship gang beating her down and indoctrinating her into the system...so i will use all my fierce motherly protective instincts to do all that i can to contribute to a better world for her so she can shine as brightly as her free self can shine~!! I'm on board, i'm just getting ready to fully submerge so anyone who can help me do this i very much look forward to meeting you~!!
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
Agent provocateurs perhaps?
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
Agent provocateurs perhaps?
Quickly in, quickly out. Trying to tie the FSP to shady topics. Its bound to happen sooner or later if it hasnt already.
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
Agent provocateurs perhaps?
That sounds likely actually.
Ian and the others aren't condoning pedophilia, they're trying to deal with the issue in a rational way rather than an emotional one (as it seems the others are in that thread).
Wouldn't you prefer the blunt honesty (assuming that's what was given by the accused) from people who's sexual tastes might threaten you or your family? Not just pedos but rapists as well. I'd much rather know exactly who to keep my kids away from.
But even knowing the odds, many people continue to send their kids off to potential danger zones.. Boy Scouts, Catholic churches, etc. That's a dangerous sort of denial and confuses me because all the info on where likely pedos are to be found is right out in the open.
I think what you're seeing in this situation is one group of people acknowledging the ugly truth of human nature and trying to figure out the best way to deal with it. The Romans knew all about this natural condition as well as the human fascination with violence, lust, gluttony, excesses of all sorts. However ugly the issues are, they've been around since whenever humanity began and these issues aren;t going to go away anytime soon, if ever. So deal with it in the best way possible.
Does anyone have a solution that doesn't involve killing the accused molesters or taking the kid away and handing it over to the authorities where further, maybe worse, abuse is likely to continue?
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
I wouldn't call six months "Very recent"
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
Agent provocateurs perhaps?
That sounds likely actually.
Ian and the others aren't condoning pedophilia, they're trying to deal with the issue in a rational way rather than an emotional one (as it seems the others are in that thread).
Wouldn't you prefer the blunt honesty (assuming that's what was given by the accused) from people who's sexual tastes might threaten you or your family? Not just pedos but rapists as well. I'd much rather know exactly who to keep my kids away from.
But even knowing the odds, many people continue to send their kids off to potential danger zones.. Boy Scouts, Catholic churches, etc. That's a dangerous sort of denial and confuses me because all the info on where likely pedos are to be found is right out in the open.
I think what you're seeing in this situation is one group of people acknowledging the ugly truth of human nature and trying to figure out the best way to deal with it. The Romans knew all about this natural condition as well as the human fascination with violence, lust, gluttony, excesses of all sorts. However ugly the issues are, they've been around since whenever humanity began and these issues aren;t going to go away anytime soon, if ever. So deal with it in the best way possible.
Does anyone have a solution that doesn't involve killing the accused molesters or taking the kid away and handing it over to the authorities where further, maybe worse, abuse is likely to continue?
I agree with all your points. Unless someones rights are being hindered no force can be morally used. Parents are responsible for their children. People being honest about their kinks can help people react accordingly. I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one.
I think we need definitions of child abuse to be cleared up before we can properly address this issue at all.
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
I wouldn't call six months "Very recent"
They moved in Feb or March and were out in March if I am not mistaken.
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
Agent provocateurs perhaps?
That sounds likely actually.
I highly doubt it.
Ian and the others aren't condoning pedophilia
That sound exactly like what Ian is doing.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condoning
condone - From Latin condonare, "refrain from punishing," it does not mean "approve of, endorse"; it means "let something pass without interference even though you probably disapprove," or "pardon, forgive, overlook."
Ian doesn't condone racism, but he does condone pedophilia. In the past I think he has said that a pedophile is just someone who loves kids.
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I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one.
I wouldn't do business with you.
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whoa, you mean hypothetically?
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Hey, I haven't been called a pedophile in a while! I'm gonna jump in... All those distortions really hurt the last time, but, hey, pain is my friend these days. It has to be.
I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one. |
That's a very admirable attitude, but how do you define "active"? What if someone just jerks off to underage underwear models? As a fearless explorer of the human condition, let me tell you - for pedophiles it's mostly about the face. What if they make a collage of legal porn images (sex organs of 18-year-old) intermixed with legal pictures of kids (no private parts exposed)? What if they touch children, but in a way any parent would, and then get off to it sexually afterward?
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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that's kinda personal.....
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
I wouldn't call six months "Very recent"
They moved in Feb or March and were out in March if I am not mistaken.
You are mistaken. They were there since October. It is now April. That means they were there for six months, seven if it was the beginning of the month. I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't already know.
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
Agent provocateurs perhaps?
That sounds likely actually.
I highly doubt it.
I dont. Think about how the cops drive around Porcfest and leave it alone. Do you think that government agencies would leave a campground filled with people openly breaking the law alone, or send in undercover agents? They dont leave Burning Man alone and it is way more chaotic and far more difficult to find people breaking the law. In NH people give out the names and locations off black market activity willy nilly. Even protests have cops dress up in black to try and incite violence, it seems illogical that freestaters would be left alone.
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don't doubt their insidiousness
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I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one.
I wouldn't do business with you.
People who admit they feel temptation to do things and don't do them are "inactive" or as I prefer "not".
Blackie, I don't go after people for crimes they just thought about doing. If you believe that one should kill someone for thinking things I am afraid we are not on the same side, so your business issue is not a problem.
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
Agent provocateurs perhaps?
That sounds likely actually.
I highly doubt it.
I dont. Think about how the cops drive around Porcfest and leave it alone. Do you think that government agencies would leave a campground filled with people openly breaking the law alone, or send in undercover agents? They dont leave Burning Man alone and it is way more chaotic and far more difficult to find people breaking the law. In NH people give out the names and locations off black market activity willy nilly. Even protests have cops dress up in black to try and incite violence, it seems illogical that freestaters would be left alone.
I find it more likely that there really are pedophiles in the FSP. Occam's razor.
I'm not saying there aren't agent provocateurs in the FSP. I don't think an agent provocateur would be focusing on pedophilia.
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fuckin pedo's are everywhere - the bastards@
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I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one.
I wouldn't do business with you.
People who admit they feel temptation to do things and don't do them are "inactive" or as I prefer "not".
Blackie, I don't go after people for crimes they just thought about doing. If you believe that one should kill someone for thinking things I am afraid we are not on the same side, so your business issue is not a problem.
I didn't say anything about killing someone for what they think.
I may be ok doing business with a pedo if they realize they have a problem and are attempting to address it.
But fuck pedos who think there is nothing wrong with it, and fuck the people who enable them.
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I find it more likely that there really are pedophiles in the FSP. Occam's razor.
I'm not saying there aren't agent provocateurs in the FSP. I don't think an agent provocateur would be focusing on pedophilia.
This.
All things being equal, the controversy here isn't even that there were some sickos, but how it was responded to.
On the point of sick fuckers - This is the nth time (Where N = more than three.) I've heard about an incident involving people who have used the very specific phrase "Anti Ageist" or "Anti Ageism" as a justification for inappropriate contact with children. This seems to be some sort of code among sickos who have glommed onto the freedom movement.
When I hear that phrase, I automatically start needling at the person about specifics of what they think is acceptable. It's a red flag if I've ever heard one.
If someone uses that phrase, I keep a polite distance, or start asking questions, depending on the situation.
I am certain that there are agent provocateurs in NH, but calling agent provocateur every time someone does something nasty is bullshit.
It is on record that after this incident took place, there was such a fight on that property between husband and wife that the police were called out for noise by the landlords, who weren't involved in the incident at all. This fight wouldn't have happened AND police wouldn't have been called, AND they wouldn't have skipped town if this whole thing were a setup.
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You are mistaken. They were there since October. It is now April. That means they were there for six months, seven if it was the beginning of the month. I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't already know.
How do you know they moved there in October? I didn't meet them until Feb or March and when I met them they told me they were leaving the property in June.
I think they told me they had lived some where around 8 different places outside of NH in the last 2 years.
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I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one.
I wouldn't do business with you.
People who admit they feel temptation to do things and don't do them are "inactive" or as I prefer "not".
Blackie, I don't go after people for crimes they just thought about doing. If you believe that one should kill someone for thinking things I am afraid we are not on the same side, so your business issue is not a problem.
I didn't say anything about killing someone for what they think.
I may be ok doing business with a pedo if they realize they have a problem and are attempting to address it.
But fuck pedos who think there is nothing wrong with it, and fuck the people who enable them.
I agree. However Being a guy who has always been attracted to woman 25+ I have zero understanding of what a pedophile even is. I litterally find girls under 18 annoying and have no desire for a girl 16 or less. (not saying I couldn't be fooled)
Statist like to call a vast amount of people sexual predators. I get so pissed off at them that I may sound like a enabler at times, simply because I ere on the individuals side.
I want clear, agreed on definitions, that is all. And I want real predators to be treated as criminals and everyone else to be left alone.
My best suggestion would be to call prepubescent people kids, ie not exceptable to initiate voluntary sex with....
As I typed that, my stomach turned. I want to say 17, but I know I am probably projecting.
Does a smarter person have a better standard?
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You are mistaken. They were there since October. It is now April. That means they were there for six months, seven if it was the beginning of the month. I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't already know.
How do you know they moved there in October? I didn't meet them until Feb or March and when I met them they told me they were leaving the property in June.
I think they told me they had lived some where around 8 different places outside of NH in the last 2 years.
I have sources. I will not name them. They are more reliable than either Summer or you. I'm not intending this in a rude way. They moved to Keene in October last year.
I could look that up but neither of them gave their actual name and I doubt Summer did either, as she didn't seem truthful about anything.
My guess is that they were not FSPers and that Summer may or may not be.
Also on this - you claim to not even know whether they are FSP people and yet now you suddenly know all about them and have had conversations with them?
Keith, you are not responsible for the actions of other people. Quit making excuses for them just because it may have negative political connotations.
These people were sickos and they ran off and that part is over. It's how that girl was attacked for going and telling people about it which is the issue. On that point, she did the one thing she could. Tell people. Tell people who aren't government. She did the right thing and it seems some people responded to it the same way the Catholic church would, by attacking the victim and trying to cover it up.
From all accounts, I haven't seen that you were one of those people. You may have been but I have no evidence of that. Good on you.
But please, man, stop playing minister of propaganda.
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Does a smarter person have a better standard?
I dunno if I'm smarter, but here would be some good guidelines -
When someone should have sex -
1. The body (Both brain and endocrine system) are capable of performing the act. That means post pubescent. Brain isn't even done cooking yet before then. Pubescence IS sexual maturity, by nature. Sex before that time cannot end in sexual release, and serves no purpose to the prepubescent either physically (Can't get pregnant) or emotionally. (No hormone dumps yet.)
2. BOTH parties involved in sex must be capable of financially and emotionally supporting the existence of another human being (A child) apart from themselves ALONE, without the sexual partner in the picture.
3. There are dozens of reasons why incest is bad. Genetics, abuse of power, (You can't be the primary caregiver and authority over a child and claim that their ability to consent, and likelihood to consent wouldn't be bent toward satisfying the desires of said ultimate authority figure.) social stigma, physical damage (I'd hate to even speculate what damage a 200 pound adult male with an 8 inch penis could do to a child's vagina or anus.)
That would be my bare minimum. BARE MINIMUM. My default answer without debate would have been unrelated genetically (And let's not fuck around, unadopted as well. I'm irritated that I even have to say this.) and 16 or so, maybe 20 or 30 years ago, but nowadays I'd semi jokingly say 25. Having a not overrun credit account might also be a good indicator.
Personally, I think any woman under 25 is fucking insane and should never get closer than Tazer range outside of a group meeting.
None of this accounts for people of the same age. Two twelve year olds wanna play "Hot Dog In Bun" there's not much you can do about it apart from explain why it's a bad idea. Of course, they're already fucking idiots full of fuck hormones, so likely they won't listen. Keep them physically separated and well educated and hope for the best.
You don't fuck prepubes. I don't fuck anyone but my wife.
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The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.
Agent provocateurs perhaps?
That sounds likely actually.
I highly doubt it.
Ian and the others aren't condoning pedophilia
That sound exactly like what Ian is doing.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condoning
condone - From Latin condonare, "refrain from punishing," it does not mean "approve of, endorse"; it means "let something pass without interference even though you probably disapprove," or "pardon, forgive, overlook."
Ian doesn't condone racism, but he does condone pedophilia. In the past I think he has said that a pedophile is just someone who loves kids.
Corrected. A better word would be "encouraging".
Shaw's telling of the dispute between the couple causes me to now doubt that the couple are feds.
I find it more likely that there really are pedophiles in the FSP. Occam's razor.
Of course there are. As well as in the grocers, the bank, church, hospitals and probably right around the corner from wherever any of us live.
I'm really protective of my kids. There are a few people in the friends & family group that I think are a little sketchy, so I intentionally keep my kids away from them. I don't ask those people outright because it's such a taboo subject - that's where I kinda get hung up on this shit, not wanting the info to be buried.
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I have sources. I will not name them. They are more reliable than either Summer or you. I'm not intending this in a rude way. They moved to Keene in October last year.
Maybe you are correct. However, when they left the area, they were living 2 towns away from Keene.
Also on this - you claim to not even know whether they are FSP people
Right. I cannot confirm because neither of them ever shared their name with anyone as far as I know.
and yet now you suddenly know all about them and have had conversations with them?
Sure, they came to Keene in late Feb or early March to hang out with folks. So I talked to them.
Quit making excuses for them just because it may have negative political connotations.
I may have done that at some point, not sure.
It's how that girl was attacked for going and telling people about it which is the issue.
She wasn't attacked. She caused a bunch of noise and then fled. Other folks actually tried to help but she did so much damage to the situation that there is a chance that there is a pedo out there in the wild. I didn't learn about all of the damage she caused until she had caused most of it so I was too late to do one more than one thing to help her. However, she was so panicked, hate filled, crazy or whatever it was to take any of the helpful advice.
She claimed to be a voluntarist. However, when someone asked her to leave property she wasn't welcomed at, the first thing she did was try to get them arrested. Yes, she did that. I mean, could she has done anything worse? I guess, she could have been trespassing and then shot the person over and over again.
But please, man, stop playing minister of propaganda.
I don't have a clue what you are hinting at.
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She wasn't attacked.
She got kicked out of the place she was staying*, is what I've heard from multiple sources. She was offered lodging elsewhere (By another, non-Keene, party) but chose to go back to Utah instead.
She got piled onto in that FB thread, too.
Let's be real, she got ostracized for ostracizing someone, and then made a comment speculating about what recourse she had, (Yes, including the possibility of contacting the only agency allowed** to deal with children, which was indeed, a gooberment one.) leading to more verbal attacks.
The fact is, she did the right thing and got lectured for hours about it, because her actions may have led to the state jumping in, which had nothing to do with her. Whether the state jumped in or not was not her problem, though, unless she contacted them directly, which as I understand it she did not.
People got pissed because she posted about this shit on Facebook. I know this because I was one of her FB friends before her account was deleted.
Ostracism requires telling everyone what the bad person did. She did that and it scared certain people in Keene, so they tried to get her to keep quiet.
My opinion (I admit that this is speculation) is that people were more worried about how the FSP and Keene in particular looked than what happened to those children or that girl, and took actions that look pretty bad to shush it up.
*I won't say where at this point or by who.
**You know I'm an anarchist and how I stand on contacting gooberment, so let's not have that debate.
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Pretty soon, the Pedo State Project will bite the dust. The dude who wrote the agorist manifesto mentions how these types of FSP things never worked out, in the past.
I imagine the crap drama we have already been exposed to in regards to the Pedo State Project is just the tip of the iceberg. Remember...there was another pedo, a while back who got busted. I don't remember his name, but I'm pretty sure he is out of the scene, now.
You need to keep yer kids away from the Pedotarians.
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Pretty soon, the Pedo State Project will bite the dust. The dude who wrote the agorist manifesto mentions how these types of FSP things never worked out, in the past.
I imagine the crap drama we have already been exposed to in regards to the Pedo State Project is just the tip of the iceberg. Remember...there was another pedo, a while back who got busted. I don't remember his name, but I'm pretty sure he is out of the scene, now.
You need to keep yer kids away from the Pedotarians.
I am so glad you live in another country Pubeshit.
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I'm curious as to why this FTL pedo-talk has been going on the way it has for years. As Blackie stated, Ian is opposed to "racism", and can be quoted that Ian thinks racism is "disgusting". Yet, Ian gives this pedo dude an easy time, even when the dude admits to being a pedo, and has been messing around with his 8 year old son (if I got the story right).
From a business sense...what is the "target market" here? Are we to believe that Ian is ok with sexual pervs, but he does not want us folks who do not carry the "white guilt" around?
I remember when some black called up the show and talked about how FSP was "racist", Ian told a story about how he and his camp ostracized some "racist" protest in NH.
But this pedo messing around with his 8 year old son basically gets a thumbs up from Pedo Talk Live!??!? And not only that, but Ian decided to ostracize a mother with a young child who attempted to inform others that there is a pedo on the loose!??!
This really might be a good time for FTL to pack it up and go back to Florida, and go enjoy the weather over there.
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Pretty soon, the Pedo State Project will bite the dust. The dude who wrote the agorist manifesto mentions how these types of FSP things never worked out, in the past.
I imagine the crap drama we have already been exposed to in regards to the Pedo State Project is just the tip of the iceberg. Remember...there was another pedo, a while back who got busted. I don't remember his name, but I'm pretty sure he is out of the scene, now.
You need to keep yer kids away from the Pedotarians.
I am so glad you live in another country Pubeshit.
Why is that, Anarchic?
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I will agree with the Princess on one thing.............
Ian does seem very hung up on the "white guilt" thing. You can be a pedo, and he may even look down on you somewhat, but say ONE thing about something someone did, and bring his race into it, even as an aside, all of the sudden ............................ YOU'RE THE FUCKING ANTI-CHRIST........ZERO TOLERANCE!!!!
That always bugs me a little. Dont hate or even dislike the guy for it............ just annoys me.
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
I agree.
So the same doesn't go for pedo's?
Hmmmm
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
It could be argued that the pedophiles feel the same way, and why wouldn't "We" respond in kind?
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
I agree.
So the same does'nt go for pedo's?
Hmmmm
Good point. It should.
The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
It could be argued that the pedophiles feel the same way, and why wouldn't "We" respond in kind?
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
I agree.
So the same does'nt go for pedo's?
Hmmmm
Good point. It should.
The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
It could be argued that the pedophiles feel the same way, and why wouldn't "We" respond in kind?
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Unfortunately Ian has some... baggage that would lead him away from the same conclusion, so BBS policy prolly won't ever be enforced the same way the racism policy is.
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
Since a lot of you desperate white libertarian nerds have to resort to buying yer chinese mail order brides, It is obvious as to why you libertarians have such a problem dealing with the basics.
A while back I predicted that after Ron Paul's failure, that we would see a rise in "Strom Front" stuff. I would much rather encourage people to recognize tribal reality, instead of listening to you crazies go on about how sweatshops are good.
We were just passing through, Ken. No offense to yer precious Pedotarianism.
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
Since a lot of you desperate white libertarian nerds have to resort to buying yer chinese mail order brides, It is obvious as to why you libertarians have such a problem dealing with the basics.
"You" meaning me? When I met my wife she had come here from Taiwan, a rich country, where she owned her own business (she was in the habit of visiting a different foreign nation every year), and she came to visit again before we married. Your racist implication that all asian foreign wives are "mail order" or even "chinese" is despicable.
A while back I predicted that after Ron Paul's failure, that we would see a rise in "Strom Front" stuff. I would much rather encourage people to recognize tribal reality, instead of listening to you crazies go on about how sweatshops are good.
We were just passing through, Ken. No offense to yer precious Pedotarianism.
I have no fucking idea what this pretends to address.
The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
I agree.
So the same does'nt go for pedo's?
Hmmmm
Good point. It should.
The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
It could be argued that the pedophiles feel the same way, and why wouldn't "We" respond in kind?
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Unfortunately Ian has some... baggage that would lead him away from the same conclusion, so BBS policy prolly won't ever be enforced the same way the racism policy is.
The implication of this assertion is that if someone posted pedo photos (I hope not!) on this BBS, Ian wouldn't delete such posts, isn't it?
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She got kicked out of the place she was staying*, is what I've heard from multiple sources. She was offered lodging elsewhere (By another, non-Keene, party) but chose to go back to Utah instead.
She ran from problem there to problems here. In just a very short time she caused major issues here and ran back to her previous problems. Who knows how many innocent folks she would have tried to jail in NH. She was offered help by many, many people in NH again and again. People tried hard to help her. However, she lied so frequently and acted so emotionally that there was no way anyone could help her.
It's too bad about those folks in UT.
Let's be real, she got ostracized for ostracizing someone, and then made a comment speculating about what recourse she had, (Yes, including the possibility of contacting the only agency allowed** to deal with children, which was indeed, a gooberment one.) leading to more verbal attacks.
She went crazy and made a bad situation much worse. People kept trying to help her but she would have none of it. She was determined to cause maximum destruction.
People got pissed because she posted about this shit on Facebook.
As they should have been. She tried hard to smear the whole FSP brand. She never apologized for that either.
Ostracism requires telling everyone what the bad person did. She did that and it scared certain people in Keene, so they tried to get her to keep quiet.
People in Keene were trying to help the situation. She tried to use the government to lock up 4 people or at least acted in such a way that it would be a likely scenario if it wasn't for them being far more level headed and even rational then her.
My opinion (I admit that this is speculation) is that people were more worried about how the FSP and Keene in particular looked than what happened to those children or that girl, and took actions that look pretty bad to shush it up.
I never got the indication that anyone was trying to hide that there was the possibility that someone may have been a pedo at some point in time. In fact, I got the indication that everyone except her was trying to deal with the problem in an intelligent and helpful way. Her way to help things was to fuck over everyone and cause damage and destruction. Not to mention the begging and arguing.
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The implication of this assertion is that if someone posted pedo photos (I hope not!) on this BBS, Ian wouldn't delete such posts, isn't it?
That you would have to ask Ian. I expect not, though, because he knows it could effect him directly.
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She got kicked out of the place she was staying*, is what I've heard from multiple sources. She was offered lodging elsewhere (By another, non-Keene, party) but chose to go back to Utah instead.
She ran from problem there to problems here. In just a very short time she caused major issues here and ran back to her previous problems. Who knows how many innocent folks she would have tried to jail in NH. She was offered help by many, many people in NH again and again. People tried hard to help her. However, she lied so frequently and acted so emotionally that there was no way anyone could help her.
It's too bad about those folks in UT.
Let's be real, she got ostracized for ostracizing someone, and then made a comment speculating about what recourse she had, (Yes, including the possibility of contacting the only agency allowed** to deal with children, which was indeed, a gooberment one.) leading to more verbal attacks.
She went crazy and made a bad situation much worse. People kept trying to help her but she would have none of it. She was determined to cause maximum destruction.
People got pissed because she posted about this shit on Facebook.
As they should have been. She tried hard to smear the whole FSP brand. She never apologized for that either.
Ostracism requires telling everyone what the bad person did. She did that and it scared certain people in Keene, so they tried to get her to keep quiet.
People in Keene were trying to help the situation. She tried to use the government to lock up 4 people or at least acted in such a way that it would be a likely scenario if it wasn't for them being far more level headed and even rational then her.
My opinion (I admit that this is speculation) is that people were more worried about how the FSP and Keene in particular looked than what happened to those children or that girl, and took actions that look pretty bad to shush it up.
I never got the indication that anyone was trying to hide that there was the possibility that someone may have been a pedo at some point in time. In fact, I got the indication that everyone except her was trying to deal with the problem in an intelligent and helpful way. Her way to help things was to fuck over everyone and cause damage and destruction. Not to mention the begging and arguing.
That's a lot of statements without supporting evidence, Keith.
Did she contact the gooberment? No.
What did she lie about? Nothing cited.
How did she go crazy? Nothing cited.
Frankly I don't believe you. You have time and again made up shit and twisted it around to deflect negative press for FSP members and the FSP as a whole.
EVERY SINGLE TIME something like this comes up, you jump in and rant about how none of it is true, and imply if not openly saying so that none of the people involved were FSP people.
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That's a lot of statements without supporting evidence, Keith.
Did she contact the gooberment? No.
Yes. She did. She called the cops and tried to get 4 people put in government custody.
What did she lie about? Nothing cited.
She said she would take down a FB note and not put it back up, but she did. She lied to the cops.
Frankly I don't believe you. You have time and again made up shit and twisted it around to deflect negative press for FSP members and the FSP as a whole.
No need to believe the truth. It exists whether people believe in it or not. As for your accusations of my character, I respectfully disagree with all of them. Additionally, even though you are spreading false accusations about me, I don't hold it against you.
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That's a lot of statements without supporting evidence, Keith.
Did she contact the gooberment? No.
Yes. She did. She called the cops and tried to get 4 people put in government custody.
So there should be a police report with her real name, and the name of the other 4 people, right?
What did she lie about? Nothing cited.
She said she would take down a FB note and not put it back up, but she did. She lied to the cops.
What did she tell the cops? That should be in the police report, right? What town and date?
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That's a lot of statements without supporting evidence, Keith.
Did she contact the gooberment? No.
Yes. She did. She called the cops and tried to get 4 people put in government custody.
So there should be a police report with her real name, and the name of the other 4 people, right?
What did she lie about? Nothing cited.
She said she would take down a FB note and not put it back up, but she did. She lied to the cops.
What did she tell the cops? That should be in the police report, right? What town and date?
You will never get an answer for these questions.
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If I have to come out to NH, nobodys gonna be happy. I'll get to the bottom of ALL this shit one way or another and the truth will be known to all. Final warning!! :x
How'd I do? Too heavy handed to be believable? :P
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
I hear very little regarding Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan, etc. being considered a threat to liberalism & socialism. If it's acceptable to them to have fringe groups held at a convenient distance then why isn't it acceptable for libertarians?
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The same reason so many pro-life republicans support the death penalty.
Hypocracy, when its convenient.
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The same reason so many pro-life republicans support the death penalty.
Hypocracy, when its convenient.
'zactly.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=22530.0;topicseen
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=22530.0;topicseen
Libman's posts were better than all you wanna be forum "kings".
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=22530.0;topicseen
Interesting that Libman's .sig on nhfree includes links with a PHPSESSID.
I would have thought he'd be safer than that.
Also, no surprise that nhfree is still fail.
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It will be interesting to see what Libman will do to try to get back on the BBS.
At this point...I reckon the only way he can get back in... is to offer Ian some money. Ian has his price (Ian may be white....but Ian thinks like a jew), and I'm pretty sure Libman has the cash.
I recommend that Alex gets Ian to agree to some contractual obligation, such as, "I'll give you X amount of money so long as I am protected from bannage for 5 years."
GO ALEX!!!!
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I went to check out if Alex has been writing anything on the Free Keene link from NH underground link provided by BJ.
But I was denied access to the free keene link... or as the web page stated: "Acceso Denegado" which is spanish for "Access Denied"
For some strange reason, The Free Keene BBS link is written in both english and spanish.
The page also stated:
"The most likely cause is that your computer, or another computer operating on your local network, has been infected with a virus, trojan, or worm. Infected computers are used by criminals, without their owners knowledge, to send spam and attack websites like this one you are trying yo visit."
The spanish version goes like thus:
"La causa más probable es que su ordenador, o algún otro ordenador de su red local, haya sido infectado con un virus, troyano, o gusano. Los ordenadores infectados son usados por criminales, sin el conocimiento de sus dueños, para enviar spam y atacar páginas webs como ésta que está intentando visitar."
Why the fuck is this Free Keene page half written in spanish?
I just checked the same link about an hour ago, and gained access to it without any problems.
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Why is the thread called "Dllama in the Free State" ?
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
I hear very little regarding Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan, etc. being considered a threat to liberalism & socialism. If it's acceptable to them to have fringe groups held at a convenient distance then why isn't it acceptable for libertarians?
On principle. Libertarianism isn't about collectivism, which is what the white separatists are for, it's against it.
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
I hear very little regarding Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan, etc. being considered a threat to liberalism & socialism. If it's acceptable to them to have fringe groups held at a convenient distance then why isn't it acceptable for libertarians?
No one accuses liberals or socialists of being or even trying to be consistant or intellectually honest.
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
I hear very little regarding Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan, etc. being considered a threat to liberalism & socialism. If it's acceptable to them to have fringe groups held at a convenient distance then why isn't it acceptable for libertarians?
On principle. Libertarianism isn't about collectivism, which is what the white separatists are for, it's against it.
The separatists are actually a rather diverse bunch, and I'm not so sure they can be dubbed "collectivist". "collectivism" is more like a smear, anywayz, and actually means almost nothing.
Libertarianism's main flaw is that it is not based on reality....so Libertarianism is doomed.
What is real is that more and more whites are dumping their white guilt and realizing that living amongst each other is no doubt the best way to go. The "white flight" from the cities is a thing thing that the politicians have difficulty addressing. If the bought and paid for politicians try to continue shaming whites into staying in the cities by calling us "racist", such insulting comments may trigger more "white flight". Regardless, the white flight will continue, and pretty soon, all these cities will be looking like Detroit.
The age of "White Guilt" is pretty much over, and these cities will get economically destroyed. The back up plan for the non-white parasites is to simply move to the suburbs, but the white flight is happening in the suburbs, too.
If we move into the more rural areas, and start up our own discrete small businesses, then these non-white parasites will get fucked.....cuz they don't want to build shit on their own....they just want to wait for us whites to make shit, so that they can come and suck some of the white man's blood.
If we can be clever and present the rural areas as inhospitable, while discretely running our own small businesses, then maybe the parasites will give up and fuck off back to their turd world countries, while the western blacks destroy each other with AIDS, and die.
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The white separatists think their view is "libertarian," and they are often considered "fellow travelers" by those outside libertarian circles. It's in that context none of us wants to give even the slightest impression that we approve of crap like that.
I hear very little regarding Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan, etc. being considered a threat to liberalism & socialism. If it's acceptable to them to have fringe groups held at a convenient distance then why isn't it acceptable for libertarians?
On principle. Libertarianism isn't about collectivism, which is what the white separatists are for, it's against it.
The separatists are actually a rather diverse bunch, and I'm not so sure they can be dubbed "collectivist". "collectivism" is more like a smear, anywayz, and actually means almost nothing.
Libertarianism's main flaw is that it is not based on reality....so Libertarianism is doomed.
What is real is that more and more whites are dumping their white guilt and realizing that living amongst each other is no doubt the best way to go. The "white flight" from the cities is a thing thing that the politicians have difficulty addressing. If the bought and paid for politicians try to continue shaming whites into staying in the cities by calling us "racist", such insulting comments may trigger more "white flight". Regardless, the white flight will continue, and pretty soon, all these cities will be looking like Detroit.
The age of "White Guilt" is pretty much over, and these cities will get economically destroyed. The back up plan for the non-white parasites is to simply move to the suburbs, but the white flight is happening in the suburbs, too.
If we move into the more rural areas, and start up our own discrete small businesses, then these non-white parasites will get fucked.....cuz they don't want to build shit on their own....they just want to wait for us whites to make shit, so that they can come and suck some of the white man's blood.
If we can be clever and present the rural areas as inhospitable, while discretely running our own small businesses, then maybe the parasites will give up and fuck off back to their turd world countries, while the western blacks destroy each other with AIDS, and die.
I am sure they can be dubbed collectivist. They believe in organizing into a collection of white people. They, typically, think white people are better than other people. It's all about collectivism.
I don't buy into "white guilt" or white supremacy. I think it's all collectivist bullshit, and I'll be a lot happier when people stop trying to identify people by skin color and so forth.
Do you refer to "non-white parasites" out a belief that the "non-whites" are parasites, or out of belief that the "non-white" parasites are somehow different from the white parasites? Which is it? You're doing a good job of portraying the collectivism I'm talking about.
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Got an email from Alex asking to remove his avatar image. Sounded pissy, prolly because what was pointed out earlier about it and his subsequent inability to remove it.
The sweet, sweet irony of it all is that I can't remove his dumb avatar image because mods lost that ability after Alex complained about a mod altering one of his, back when Johnson banned him. Pretty sure it was the same time Ian killed the shithead system.
REALLY FOR REAL LOL
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The irony is not lost upon this lad.
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R3, did your goth dreamchick turn out to have jungle fever or something?
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The separatists are actually a rather diverse bunch, and I'm not so sure they can be dubbed "collectivist". "collectivism" is more like a smear, anywayz, and actually means almost nothing.
You sound like an authority on the subject. Of course it's a smear, and it's well-deserved.
Libertarianism's main flaw is that it is not based on reality....so Libertarianism is doomed.
What is real is that more and more whites are dumping their white guilt and realizing that living amongst each other is no doubt the best way to go. The "white flight" from the cities is a thing thing that the politicians have difficulty addressing. If the bought and paid for politicians try to continue shaming whites into staying in the cities by calling us "racist", such insulting comments may trigger more "white flight". Regardless, the white flight will continue, and pretty soon, all these cities will be looking like Detroit.
The age of "White Guilt" is pretty much over, and these cities will get economically destroyed. The back up plan for the non-white parasites is to simply move to the suburbs, but the white flight is happening in the suburbs, too.
If we move into the more rural areas, and start up our own discrete small businesses, then these non-white parasites will get fucked.....cuz they don't want to build shit on their own....they just want to wait for us whites to make shit, so that they can come and suck some of the white man's blood.
If we can be clever and present the rural areas as inhospitable, while discretely running our own small businesses, then maybe the parasites will give up and fuck off back to their turd world countries, while the western blacks destroy each other with AIDS, and die.
You sure go to a lot of effort to prefix "parasites" with "non-white" as if that's the only kind. That's practically the definition of collectivism right there; at least it's the perfect example.
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Got an email from Alex asking to remove his avatar image. Sounded pissy, prolly because what was pointed out earlier about it and his subsequent inability to remove it.
The sweet, sweet irony of it all is that I can't remove his dumb avatar image because mods lost that ability after Alex complained about a mod altering one of his, back when Johnson banned him. Pretty sure it was the same time Ian killed the shithead system.
REALLY FOR REAL LOL
Be honest Shaw, you secretly wanna fuck Libman. That's what all this pent up aggression you have for him is about.
You want his dick in your mouth. Admit it.
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Be honest Shaw, you secretly wanna fuck Libman. That's what all this pent up aggression you have for him is about.
You want his dick in your mouth. Admit it.
My wife sez no.
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Speaking of white flight...
“No opportunities are being created for low- and middle-income people in the city,” he said. “I drive to Georgetown ever day, and very rarely do I see African Americans on construction jobs.”
Some say the precipitous decline in the number of African Americans is alarming.
“We’re going to stop this trend — gentrification,” said D.C. Council member Marion Barry (D-Ward 8). “We can’t displace old-time Washingtonians.”
“The key to keeping this city black is jobs, jobs, jobs for black people so they can have a better quality of life in neighborhoods in the city,” he added. “I believe in integration, but I don’t believe in the apartheid we have in Ward 8. You don’t see corner stores in Ward 3. You don’t see the liquor stores.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/black_dc_residents_plummet_barely_a_majority/2011/03/24/ABtIgJQB_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage
Of course that is Marion Barry speaking.. but then again, he was elected by local voters.. then again, perhaps that's why he's so adamant about keeping blacks in his section of town.. of course no one could say for sure.
This type of speech is apparently totally acceptable. Don't recall any fuss in the media about it. It did cause me to question a couple things though..
Very rarely seeing black (I've no idea from whence they came so I wouldn't collectivize them as Africans) folks on construction jobs.. I could take an easy shot here, but instead I'll say that mostly what I see on construction jobs are Latino looking folks, neither white nor black, so why the concern for just blacks?
Can't displace old-time Washingtonians? ..umm, who might have lived there before the black folks moved in? Was it OK to displace those folks?
Jobs for black people.. great idea! But why just for black folks? Are black folks being restricted in some way from becoming employed? Did all the white people in DC have another one of their secret meetings and decide not to hire black folks?
"apartheid" ? ...c'mon.
Dale:
You sound like an authority on the subject. Of course it's a smear, and it's well-deserved.
So what if R3 were an authority on it? Information is a good thing, even on topics that one isn't necessarily interested in. Thanks to many of your posts I have an insight to the lifestyles of men who look like men but have pussies and the men who love them. I'm not chuffed about it but it doesn't bother me either.. it's just info that I find a little distasteful and amusing. I'd never ostracize you for your sexual kinks though. It's the old "if you want to be free you have to let others be free as well" thing. I think many people make the mistake of being critical of only whites when it comes to racism.
R3 is right. It is collectivist to say that all white separatists are the same. Christians, neo-heathen-pagans, rednecks, atheists.. there are even "white separatist" movements in Portugal.. Russia, Poland. Very diverse.
Are any of you bothered by the ease in which blacks can openly declare their preference for other blacks without any societal repercussions, or is it only offensive when whites do it?
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well put hell, and yea I've noticed its like 2 standards.
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Be honest Shaw, you secretly wanna fuck Libman. That's what all this pent up aggression you have for him is about.
You want his dick in your mouth. Admit it.
My wife sez no.
your wife says we're looking for (ur dick) it.
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Lately it seems that people on here are super UPSET or BITCHY for some reason, wow, I thought I was the emotional train wreck. I vote for a weekend of sex and sin in Vegas, who's in?
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I said the SAME EXACT thing in another thread, or maybe this one earlier. Everyones trippin'............The end of the world is nigh.... Didn't think of the Vegas part though.
Bunch of cousins went last week and I couldn't go.
Fuckin' work............. im sick of it.
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The NWO must be spraying chem trails or puttin somthing in the water. Everybodies hatin'
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ain't no hatin I jus be relatin
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I don't buy into "white guilt" or white supremacy. I think it's all collectivist bullshit, and I'll be a lot happier when people stop trying to identify people by skin color and so forth.
Do you refer to "non-white parasites" out a belief that the "non-whites" are parasites, or out of belief that the "non-white" parasites are somehow different from the white parasites? Which is it? You're doing a good job of portraying the collectivism I'm talking about.
Nice touch buy turning it up a notch to "white supremacy" from white separatist. :roll:
Ken....I bet you feel real special about yerself that you got yerself a chinese bride, to prove to the world that you are so above it all. And you prolly think yer some trailblazer, too, and that us "racist" whites could learn a thing or two from you.
Teach me Ken...Tell me why I should get me some chinese pussy.
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Speaking of white flight...
“No opportunities are being created for low- and middle-income people in the city,” he said. “I drive to Georgetown ever day, and very rarely do I see African Americans on construction jobs.”
Some say the precipitous decline in the number of African Americans is alarming.
“We’re going to stop this trend — gentrification,” said D.C. Council member Marion Barry (D-Ward 8). “We can’t displace old-time Washingtonians.”
“The key to keeping this city black is jobs, jobs, jobs for black people so they can have a better quality of life in neighborhoods in the city,” he added. “I believe in integration, but I don’t believe in the apartheid we have in Ward 8. You don’t see corner stores in Ward 3. You don’t see the liquor stores.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/black_dc_residents_plummet_barely_a_majority/2011/03/24/ABtIgJQB_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage
Of course that is Marion Barry speaking.. but then again, he was elected by local voters.. then again, perhaps that's why he's so adamant about keeping blacks in his section of town.. of course no one could say for sure.
This type of speech is apparently totally acceptable. Don't recall any fuss in the media about it. It did cause me to question a couple things though..
Very rarely seeing black (I've no idea from whence they came so I wouldn't collectivize them as Africans) folks on construction jobs.. I could take an easy shot here, but instead I'll say that mostly what I see on construction jobs are Latino looking folks, neither white nor black, so why the concern for just blacks?
Can't displace old-time Washingtonians? ..umm, who might have lived there before the black folks moved in? Was it OK to displace those folks?
Jobs for black people.. great idea! But why just for black folks? Are black folks being restricted in some way from becoming employed? Did all the white people in DC have another one of their secret meetings and decide not to hire black folks?
"apartheid" ? ...c'mon.
Dale:
You sound like an authority on the subject. Of course it's a smear, and it's well-deserved.
So what if R3 were an authority on it? Information is a good thing, even on topics that one isn't necessarily interested in. Thanks to many of your posts I have an insight to the lifestyles of men who look like men but have pussies and the men who love them. I'm not chuffed about it but it doesn't bother me either.. it's just info that I find a little distasteful and amusing. I'd never ostracize you for your sexual kinks though. It's the old "if you want to be free you have to let others be free as well" thing. I think many people make the mistake of being critical of only whites when it comes to racism.
R3 is right. It is collectivist to say that all white separatists are the same. Christians, neo-heathen-pagans, rednecks, atheists.. there are even "white separatist" movements in Portugal.. Russia, Poland. Very diverse.
Are any of you bothered by the ease in which blacks can openly declare their preference for other blacks without any societal repercussions, or is it only offensive when whites do it?
Hellbilly, I'm sure that all our anti-racist white friends on here would find ALL RACISM to be deplorable....whether it comes from a white or a black...or a chinese or whatever. It's weird though.... that our anti-racist white friends only speak out against the "racism" when us white folks are doing it.
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Hellbilly, I'm sure that all our anti-racist white friends on here would find ALL RACISM to be deplorable....whether it comes from a white or a black...or a chinese or whatever. It's weird though.... that our anti-racist white friends only speak out against the "racism" when us white folks are doing it.
I'm used to it.. been paying attention to this stuff for the past 25 years. If it isn't white guilt & social programming then I can't figure out where the breakdown in logic is. It's especially disappointing in groups like this, where people are so adept at identifying & exposing bullshit - but on this topic, on their part, the debate remains an emotional one.
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Got an email from Alex asking to remove his avatar image. Sounded pissy, prolly because what was pointed out earlier about it and his subsequent inability to remove it.
The sweet, sweet irony of it all is that I can't remove his dumb avatar image because mods lost that ability after Alex complained about a mod altering one of his, back when Johnson banned him. Pretty sure it was the same time Ian killed the shithead system.
REALLY FOR REAL LOL
Be honest Shaw, you secretly wanna fuck Libman. That's what all this pent up aggression you have for him is about.
You want his dick in your mouth. Admit it.
Apparently I had it all wrong, let me rephrase this:
Be honest ShawLibman, you secretly wanna fuck LibmanShaw. That's what all this pent up aggression you have for him is about.
You want his dick in your mouth. Admit it.
Libman has pent up homo-eroticism for Shaw and he's a TRAITOR.
Shaw you are still a bully prick.
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Incoming wall.
I would rather have been hit by a police...
by Summer Jamie Aspen on Friday, April 1, 2011 at 4:34am
I am in a hotel tonight. Crazy how once I told jj I should have called cps he ostracized me & didn't even give me a notice to leave...i called my brother to ask what to do and he asked to talk to jj but he wouldn't talk to my brother but just kept telling me to get out. Pretty traumatic and scary so I naturally called the police. I didn't call them to get jj in trouble but to help escort me out of there and to go to a hotel. I mean I'm sorry but i no longer trust a person who ostracized me for my opinion that wasn't harming anyone..then the facebook thing..then tells me to out after eleven pm with a sleeping baby and needing to pack...after ordering me to leave he then informs me hes taking me to a woman’s house I don't really even know..where he is also going to stay with us for the night. I'm not about to stay at a place I’m not welcome but I’m going to fight for my right to not be forced to go with someone somewhere who i don't trust and in such an unreasonable manor and time..we also had a verbal agreement that i could stay a week if i needed to figure out my new plan after leaving the pedophile thing...then James told me he needed 15$ a night till i left which i agreed sounded great. But I'm getting this insane treatment now for what..informing my community, asking for community support to figure out a plan of action, and in the end feeling regretful I didn't call cps..now I'm ostracized and the pedophiles were not..wow. I don't know if having a police hit me, hand cuff me, and take me to jail would be worse.
Summer Jamie Aspen The neighbors..genuinely good people who know how to act quickly when they know someone is not good..."my heroes" I am certainly very let down by the free staters responses to this and that family was shocked and horrified that people on the other side of the wall...nic and lyndze could justify sex with children and the other families there thought it was non of their business and thought i was wrong for telling anyone.
April 1 at 12:39pm ·
Summer Jamie Aspen Another member JJ was right there when he picked me up the morning after i found out nick admitted openly he was a pedophile in front of James and James Schlessinger even tried to convince nick that it's not okay to have sexual relations with children and how it can't be voluntary. Nick was not sold on james argument about the matter. So James just told him not to mess with other peoples kids.
April 1 at 12:41pm ·
Summer Jamie Aspen Of course this family was already back peddling by the time i was ordered to go to the community activist center..i.e KAC at 2:30 in the morning to be pressured to take down my post..which i did..only so they would talk to Wes to get help. I said i would take it down so that they would talk to this guy. Now that they are gone anyways it's my right to put that post up again so people know the story and don't have to guess about it.
April 1 at 12:43pm ·
Summer Jamie Aspen I meant to say..the morning after the night i found out i left. the next day they also admitted this pedophile stuff to James.
April 1 at 12:45pm ·
Summer Jamie Aspen @ Commi Mosqito..I was shocked that James told me i shouldn't be apart of the free state community simply because i felt in retrospect like i should have called cps to help the lil kid kaius.
April 1 at 12:46pm ·
Summer Jamie Aspen Maybe he was also reacting from emotions because i also said i might leave the state because of my disappointment and in the free state response and non response to the threatening issue..the child’s safety. JJ wanted me to move into the KAC and i was planning to start a massage business there too. I think he was invested in me being a part of the community and after i said i might leave maybe he was hurt and decided to shun me before i could even decide to leave or not leave.
April 1 at 12:49pm ·
April Sheets
It is insane to see so many people attacking you and protecting these people. I think the freestaters have the potential to attract people like this Nic and to protect them is very ignorant. What a horrible reputation they are making for themselves. I don't care that a pedophile was able to trick them, I would still see them in a positive light if they handled it right but to try to cover it up and tell him to just leave others children alone is absurd!! I have no respect for people that would not be concerned for their child and would have no interest in such an ignorant community. Especially after reading all of these insane people's comments. They are way too interested in a goal to notice a seriously sick or several (Ian) sick individuals among them.See More
April 1 at 12:55pm · · 1 personLoading...
Summer Jamie Aspen
jj has been an exceptional person to me too. This is where he has definitely dropped the ball. Come on, is kicking a baby and mom to the curb in the middle of the night with no warning at all a noble thing? All because i think cps could have helped? And his room mate thinking I’m delusional because of the timing that i put up a post? I think Shauna is just jealous because i take action when things are not right. She was duped by a free state guy and never got justice for it now she seeing me standing up for myself and other people right to keep their kids safe and fighting for a lil boy with parent that intend to introduce sexual stuff to him themselves physically..not from a book. If they have daughters..nick will prepare them a lot more for being ready for sex at a young age because he doesn't believe there is anything wrong with having sex with your own daughters either..at what ever early age he deems they are voluntarily wanting it. Sick. Once again, I’ve only been the messenger and i get shot. Some of the Keene freestaters love to justify pedophiles and defend them and shoot the one trying to help people. Sad.See More
April 1 at 12:57pm ·
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Griffyn Farnsworth Again, summer doesn't exactly sound irrational or like she is bad-mouthing anyone. So, much for those unfounded accusations...
April 1 at 12:58pm ·
April Sheets Summer I think you need to get away from them. They seem very intent on covering this all op and trying to make it go away. Are you leaving?
April 1 at 12:59pm ·
Summer Jamie Aspen @ Sovereign Curtis..the reason you didn't know what is going on here is because Ian, James Schlessinger, Hunter, and many others now had pressured me into taking it down..the post i made informing people. Now yesterday Ian said
April 1 at 1:00pm ·
Summer Jamie Aspen d that i wasn't invited back to his house for reposting it when i did yesterday. Even though i was already ostracized from him and James just for believe i should have called cps to get the boy out of that situation.
April 1 at 1:01pm ·
Robin Mozingo calling Shauna "jealous" of anything is indeed badmouthing and tasteless...
April 1 at 1:04pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I think I agree with April, you need to stay away from these people. I thought being around republican Mormons was dangerous mentally, this takes that cake. Just a couple days ago I had such high respect for these people, now they get about as much as a Christian liberal running for Sheriff.
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Griffyn Farnsworth Funny how you are not responding to ANYTHING else Robin, says a lot about YOU>
April 1 at 1:05pm ·
Robin Mozingo I was not there to hear any of the child touching conversation so I can not comment on it. Who the fuck are you to say a damn thing about me? Who are you to this community?
April 1 at 1:06pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I'm responding to YOUR comment. To see my involvement, please read my comments.
April 1 at 1:07pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I have all the right in the world to comment on you and the situation or are you NOT for free speech? Or just free speech for SOME?
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Heika Courser
I'm OK with you going back to Utah and stirring up drama there. And I'm sure many others won't be heartbroken if you leave...You are still not telling the full story, summer. you are making it seem like everyone except for you wanted to protect this family. that was not the case. they wanted to handle it with maturity and monitoring the family. and posting another note about how jj 'threw you out?' come on, you truly are delusional. pretty sure you met with his roommate earlier in the day, how could you not get the feeling that you weren't welcome?? he even had the grace to make other arrangements for you, and offered to escort you there. he even escorted you and your stuff to the hotel AFTER you needlessly called the police. Grow up, Summer, the world does not revolve around you. No one ever wanted to ignore the situation, you made that up yourself. Everyone was in support of you bringing this to the community's attention, just not the WAY you did it. Instead of saying, 'sorry, I’ll think before i leap next time' you decided to created even MORE drama. I really hope you leave soon.See More
April 1 at 1:10pm ·
Robin Mozingo Griffyn, you can say whatever you damn well please but to say "says a lot about you" by reading one comment I post on facebook is very sad.
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Griffyn Farnsworth I don't even have to give commentary on someone like Heika, her own statements say it all.
April 1 at 1:14pm ·
Jelina Anderson I don’t ask&don’t want your forgiveness...I think its totally tacky and assholish to trash someone on her post. Have your bully session on your profile. Unbelievably UNclassy.
April 1 at 1:15pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I know I can say what I like, it wasn't up to you as to if I could. I couldn't care less about your opinion either. You should just lurk here on the comments and, though you say you weren't part of anything, still try to point out that summer is bad. You are very noble.
April 1 at 1:17pm ·
Heika Courser you don't HAVE to give commentary at all. You don't live here, you don't deal with Summer on a daily basis, and have only heard parts of this. Again, you are a one-sided troll that needs to get a life. Perhaps with people that are actually in YOUR community?? I'm not arguing with walls anymore. I actually have a life, see ya.
April 1 at 1:17pm ·
Robin Mozingo I did not say Summer is bad, where the fuck did you read that?
April 1 at 1:17pm ·
Robin Mozingo I said calling someone jealous was bad, I don't know Summer well enough to judge her "goodness" or "badness" and made NO such comments in this thread...
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Griffyn Farnsworth "badmouthing and tasteless..." That is where the 'fuck' I read it, in your comment.
April 1 at 1:19pm ·
Robin Mozingo that does NOT say Summer is bad you fucking idiot! Learn to read.... that in no way says she is bad or attacks her.
April 1 at 1:20pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I don't even need to give Heika a shovel, she shows her true self over and over.
April 1 at 1:20pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth So your only comment is to point out something you see as a fault, pile on more, very commendable.
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Robin Mozingo Griffyn, do you live here in NH? I will be in Keene tonight if you would like to take this discussion face to face with me. Obviously all hope is lost on facebook.
April 1 at 1:23pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I must now join Heika in my returning to a life, trash and condemn the messenger and show your true stripes for all to see.
April 1 at 1:23pm ·
Jelina Anderson Ps if there is any question or threat of childay safety, then there better damn well be a full on investigation to lock up and publicly shame anyone with the sick and perverted delusion that it is okay to have sexual relations with children. Im keeping my eyes on this and wont hesitate to report this to police. You all sound mentally defunct.
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Robin Mozingo I can only speak for myself, I do not believe it is ok for anyone to have sexual relations with children. I can not fix anyone's problems and facebook is a horrible outlet for this since tone and emotion can not be conveyed by lifeless text. I encourage anyone who would like to sit down with me this evening in Keene and share their side of the story to contact me and I will be glad to make arrangements to hear what happened and hopefully offer the perspective of a mother of 3.
April 1 at 1:38pm ·
Anton Lee you keep your eyes on this Jelina. You have nothing but cowardice to handle a problem by calling in others to do your dirty work. Go fuck yourself.
April 1 at 1:39pm ·
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved..., I wouldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses?See More
April 1 at 1:42pm · · 1 personLoading...
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved..., I wouldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses?See More
April 1 at 1:42pm ·
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved..., I wouldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses?See More
April 1 at 1:42pm ·
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved, I wou...ldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses? I don't see the need in degrading an entire group of people based on the actions of one or two people. ThanksSee More
April 1 at 1:42pm ·
Anton Lee
That being said. I am a freestater. I moved to NH in order to be around those who wish for more liberty. I do not have sex with children. I find it immoral. I find it disgusting. I find it to be heinous. If I knew the people involved..., I wouldn't speak to them. I wouldn't do business with them. I wouldn't want them around me. I wouldn't be anything to them. I don't appreciate being lumped in a group by outsiders because someone was a kid diddler and happened to be a freestater. Was the person also born in America? White guy? Did they wear glasses?See More
April 1 at 1:43pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth That was much more respectful Robin and if I where near Keene tonight, I would have gladly had a respectful conversation.
April 1 at 1:49pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth Anton, who is lumping you all together? I sure wouldn't.
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April Sheets That is the right attitude Anton. Its these others who want to hide it that are dangerous and frankly making me question whether anything like this could ever work. They are reminding me of polygamists with their secrecy and cult like behavior.
April 1 at 2:28pm ·
Will May
Pedophilia is a hard issue for libertarian philosophy.
I don't feel comfortable having people with these beliefs in our activist community. I think it's probably good that they're gone. I might even support calling CPS. (Don't know how much ...I should trust CPS, thus my uncertainty.)
However, Summer, the rash and dramatic way you've been handling this is in bad taste.
I have a lot of confidence in both JJ's and Heika's character. (No comment about Ian, simply because I haven't been around him much.) They are both honest and respectable people. I'm sure it would take more than a philosophical disagreement about calling CPS to get this response from them. So the fact that this is happening is a bad sign on your part.
If you intend to remain a part of the Keene libertarian community, you need to take a chill pill and stop wildly slandering people that are known to be responsible and upstanding. It's possible to regain the community's trust-- but it's going to take a show of maturity from you.
If that's too much to ask, then I would recommend moving back to Utah. It's a sad recommendation, but I doubt you'd enjoy staying.
I don't intend to comment again, because I don't want to waste my time.
(My pre-emptive response to Griffyn's inevitable comment is that, to my knowledge, we have never met, and therefore any negative statements about my character are literally baseless.)
Good luck to you, Summer, whatever you decide.See More
April 1 at 3:34pm ·
Isaac White
summer, i suggest you just get the fuck out of there, there are better places to live where there isn't nearly as much shit. and to everyone here that knocks on utah, when it comes down to it's not such a bad place, im not mormon and i stil...l live here, sure you gotta deal with all the mormon's and the stupid law's that are passed but if you get into the right community no one will give a fuck what religion you are (or if you even have any religious preferences) and will watch each other's backs and stop shit going on (ie the pedophilia thing). hit me up if you wanna chat, and say hi to kahlil for me :DSee More
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Griffyn Farnsworth Whoever would want to be apart of a community that kicks a woman that tries to protect kids and rally's around someone that want's to have sex with them is of no value what so every, ignore these hypocrite freaks. You can add Will to the list to as someone that takes not a second of rational thought to make a decision nor a minute to find out what happened. You are reading this Will, don't kid yourself. (and be care with that kid in this community!!!)
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David Crawford I have a question....if you know a child is being molested and you know you could have taken measures to stop it,and you didn't ...won't you feel guilty
April 1 at 6:50pm ·
Jelina Anderson you better believe I will call the authorities on this anton. I've already flag this post, and my next movie is contacting the seattle times to inform them on the depravity of your so called community. you have been warned.
April 1 at 7:00pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth I already know what they would do. Wait for someone else to bring it up and attack them over and over, trying to slay their character, twist the truth, and leave the person frazzled and hating humanity, and finally run the messenger out of town, then possible have have a parade for the molester.
April 1 at 7:45pm ·
Griffyn Farnsworth Maybe have a beer, some pot, and an 8 year old.
April 1 at 7:45pm ·
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So she called the police to get a ride because she had no one else to help her.
She obviously filed no report against anyone and went on her way.
If not, where's the police report with her trying to get Person X in trouble?
There's a world of difference between utilizing the state and pursuing the use of state violence in the moment.
Neither are particularly great, but, as they have a monopoly on that sort of shit, the former could be justified under extreme measures.
Calling the fire department, getting police to get a 2X year old single mom with no friends out of EDIT: (What she considers to be) a scary situation, that sort of thing.
Doesn't justify the existence of government to utilize it when using a necessary power that only THEY have a monopoly on.
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2 things I have taken away from this situation:
1. Summer didn't do anything wrong.
2. The Keene liberty community is shady.
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drama is a good name for this thread
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2 things I have taken away from this situation:
1. Summer didn't do anything wrong.
2. The Keene liberty community is shady.
They wanna seem "all inclusive" to the point of ridiculousness.
I signed up myself to go out there in a few years, but after some of the crap I see going down, fuck that. Too weird for my taste.
I'll take my chances here in Illinois.
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coming through!
don't need no new hampshire...
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and these are the people trying to sell the message that an anarchist society would work better? They certainly are setting a stellar example of what an anarchist society will look like. You have all of these arguments about how all this agorism and contractual society would work. They behave more like a good ol' boy network or some high school clique.
They wanna seem "all inclusive" to the point of ridiculousness.
I signed up myself to go out there in a few years, but after some of the crap I see going down, fuck that. Too weird for my taste.
I'll take my chances here in Illinois.
No. Just avoid Keene, Grafton or Seabrook and you'll be fine. There are hundreds of free staters in New Hampshire right now. All this bad shit you always hear about is usually a result of about half a dozen people. You don't hear about the majority of free staters because they are pretty much normal decent people.
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I like NH.
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I like arkansas, oklahoma, and texas
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No. Just avoid Keene, Grafton or Seabrook and you'll be fine. There are hundreds of free staters in New Hampshire right now. All this bad shit you always hear about is usually a result of about half a dozen people. You don't hear about the majority of free staters because they are pretty much normal decent people.
Less than 10% of FSPers live in Keene or even Cheshire County, the county Keene is located in. If someone doesn't want to move to NH because of something that happened in Keene, like the 24th most populated city/town in NH...it certainly doesn't make any sense...but maybe if something so insignificant is that important to someone...
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Good detective work John. One of these days I am going to learn to quite doubting you.
I decided to keep my distance from Keene if I move to NH quite some time ago and this fucked up little story definitely reinforces my decision.
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Less than 10% of FSPers live in Keene or even Cheshire County, the county Keene is located in. If someone doesn't want to move to NH because of something that happened in Keene, like the 24th most populated city/town in NH...it certainly doesn't make any sense...
I've got nothing against NH. I'd live there if it were worth it, financially.
BUT...
but maybe if something so insignificant is that important to someone...
So now the thing that you were jumping up and down saying didn't happen is insignificant?
See, this is where your brain is like a not-brain. Kid rape and kid fucking and attempted coverups and unjust shunning aren't insignificant ever. EVER.
S'a bunch of bullshit that the perpetrators should be fucking ashamed of.
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Good detective work John. One of these days I am going to learn to quit doubting you.
S'aight. Time always tells, you know?
If I used a lighter hand and were more polite I'm sure I could convince people more quickly, but my personality is what it is. *Shrug*
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i'm feeling u
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This is exactly the sort of time one should tell it like it is, John. Just keep right on being the hardass we all know and love.
Me, I decided to get into a fucking philosophical discussion on definitions and shit instead of just calling out a obvious pedo and the enablers like you did.
I'll be standing here with my nose in the corner.
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this from a guy who makes bowie knives to die for!
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This is no better than "good" cops covering up for crooked cops.
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As sick as this information is, this may only be the tip of the iceberg.
This pedo and wife team reckon themselves "activists". If this pedo is an "activist", there may be some "organizing" going on. When a pedo decides to become an "activist", it means there is a good chance that there are other "activists" involved.
These pedos know that it is too risky to mess around with the children of non-pedos, so what they like to do is form their little "pedo ring" and swap their children around....you know... so that the pedos can have more variety.
A thorough investigation is in order. There is a high probability that there is an active "pedo ring" in these areas where the "activists" reside.
Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that a pedo "activist" in NH got busted about a year or two ago. And now, this couple gets busted. A pedo ring would be an absolute disaster for FSP public relations....regardless...if they are organized over there, then they have to get exposed.
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Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that a pedo "activist" in NH got busted about a year or two ago. A
You can write him via mail-to-jail.com
http://www.mail-to-jail.com/node/722
Timothy Logsdon #84576
Northern NH Correctional Facility
138 East Milan Road
Berlin, NH 03570
I was trying to figure out who the other couple was...google brought me back to this thread.
Anyone know this Freemason?
(http://www.pinallodge30.com/Images/Officers/2009/JDeacon.jpg)
http://www.pinallodge30.com/
Tyler Sanstail, same guy?
(http://www.mail-to-jail.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/activist_pic/6925_133427329786_813494786_2377240_7938190_n.jpg)
You can mail letters to him if you want:
http://www.mail-to-jail.com/node/611
Timothy Whiteway
CCN #46036
445 Willow Street
Manchester, NH 03103
Tyler and his wife, Eirene, were arrested in Manchester on 9/14/09. They were accosted by cops for being in a park "after hours" and the cops learned of an arrest warrant in Arizona when running their IDs. Very little is known right now, except to government agents and, possibly, Tyler and Eirene, but it is believed Tyler and Eirene are challenging the extradition via a public defender. They are each being held on US$100,000 cash-only bail, and thus will likely be in jail in Manchester until the extradition hearing sometime in mid-October.
Send Tyler a letter by clicking here (http://www.mail-to-jail.com/node/add/letter), or a postcard by clicking here (http://www.mail-to-jail.com/node/add/postcard).
Eirene Sanstail(Jennifer Whiteway)
(http://www.mail-to-jail.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/activist_pic/6925_133427469786_813494786_2377258_2920073_n.jpg)
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Ian Freeman
I have unfriended Summer Jamie Aspen. She is a danger to the liberty community.[/b] In less than two weeks she has managed to run a nice couple out of NH for fear of her calling CPS on them, spread lies and misinformation, talked trash about people behind their backs which caused more misunderstanding and division in this community than we have ever had.
April 1 at 2:57pm
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Ian drank the Jim Jones kool-aid? :o
WTF
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They seem to be more interested in maintaining the party line.
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"You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs." - Joseph Stalin
Means to an end and whatnot.
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I don't buy into "white guilt" or white supremacy. I think it's all collectivist bullshit, and I'll be a lot happier when people stop trying to identify people by skin color and so forth.
Do you refer to "non-white parasites" out a belief that the "non-whites" are parasites, or out of belief that the "non-white" parasites are somehow different from the white parasites? Which is it? You're doing a good job of portraying the collectivism I'm talking about.
Nice touch buy turning it up a notch to "white supremacy" from white separatist. :roll:
Ken....I bet you feel real special about yerself that you got yerself a chinese bride, to prove to the world that you are so above it all. And you prolly think yer some trailblazer, too, and that us "racist" whites could learn a thing or two from you.
Teach me Ken...Tell me why I should get me some chinese pussy.
White supremacists and white separatists are fellow travelers, and generally just bullshit racists with subtle nuances as for the hatred. They're pieces of shit just like you. I used white supremacist in this case because you "turned it up a notch" with the tone of your screed. You could try, and fail, to argue that referring to "non-white parasites" is not white supremacist, but you still haven't indicated whether you refer to "non-white parasites" out a belief that the "non-whites" are parasites, or out of belief that the "non-white" parasites are somehow worse than white parasites.
I know processing this is above your IQ, but Taiwanese ≠ Chinese, and my wife and I married because we love each other, not because we give a shit what anyone else thinks about it, least of all you.
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So now the thing that you were jumping up and down saying didn't happen is insignificant?
Your post seems really random and I have no idea what you are talking about
See, this is where your brain is like a not-brain. Kid rape and kid fucking and attempted coverups and unjust shunning aren't insignificant ever. EVER.
I certainly don't support kid rape or having sex with kids in general. If I know it happened, I wouldn't try to cover it up. I'm completely unaware of anyone I know trying to cover up anything like that.
Again John, you don't have to be so mean to folks. It is ok to be nice, even online :P
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Earlier in the thread, I mentioned that a pedo "activist" in NH got busted about a year or two ago. And now, this couple gets busted. A pedo ring would be an absolute disaster for FSP public relations....regardless...if they are organized over there, then they have to get exposed.
A pedo ring?
A couple moved from AZ to Manchester, running from the law. The law found that they were in Manchester and they are now in jail in AZ
This couple moved to NH near the VT border, 2 hours from Manchester, last October according to John. They went to the KAC to eat maybe 4 times within a 3-4 week period and then fled the state, maybe running from the law.
Make no mistake about it, there are pedos in NH and every state. Some pedos likely move from state to state from time to time to hide. Nothing has changed with any of that and it likely never will change.
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Why are they running pediatricians out of NH?
Seems absurd.
The FSP should want lots of Pediatricians around!
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I was given a referral to a pediatric dentist for my 3yo kid. The place has the worst URL ever.
http://www.mainepedo.com/
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I'm afraid to click on that link.
But if you ever need a good pen, or a box full of pens with your corporate logo on them,
click on over to the virtual island of pens at http://www.penisland.com (http://www.penisland.com)
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Again John, you don't have to be so mean to folks. It is ok to be nice, even online :P
Sometimes it is appropriate to be mean to people. This is supposed to be a movement that eschews government involvement and we are trying to build a working example of a free society. This requires a certain level of self-policing.
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I don't buy into "white guilt" or white supremacy. I think it's all collectivist bullshit, and I'll be a lot happier when people stop trying to identify people by skin color and so forth.
Do you refer to "non-white parasites" out a belief that the "non-whites" are parasites, or out of belief that the "non-white" parasites are somehow different from the white parasites? Which is it? You're doing a good job of portraying the collectivism I'm talking about.
Nice touch buy turning it up a notch to "white supremacy" from white separatist. :roll:
Ken....I bet you feel real special about yerself that you got yerself a chinese bride, to prove to the world that you are so above it all. And you prolly think yer some trailblazer, too, and that us "racist" whites could learn a thing or two from you.
Teach me Ken...Tell me why I should get me some chinese pussy.
White supremacists and white separatists are fellow travelers, and generally just bullshit racists with subtle nuances as for the hatred. They're pieces of shit just like you. I used white supremacist in this case because you "turned it up a notch" with the tone of your screed. You could try, and fail, to argue that referring to "non-white parasites" is not white supremacist, but you still haven't indicated whether you refer to "non-white parasites" out a belief that the "non-whites" are parasites, or out of belief that the "non-white" parasites are somehow worse than white parasites.
I know processing this is above your IQ, but Taiwanese ≠ Chinese, and my wife and I married because we love each other, not because we give a shit what anyone else thinks about it, least of all you.
This is just typical anti-white bullshit, Ken. This thread is not even the right place to discuss these things. Start a new thread and try to "catch a Nazi", and I would be happy to contribute to that thread. In the meantime....enjoy yer little oriental fetish, while doing yer best to perfect anti-white sentiment.
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now, someone's just being a bitch.....
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So now the thing that you were jumping up and down saying didn't happen is insignificant?
See, this is where your brain is like a not-brain. Kid rape and kid fucking and attempted coverups and unjust shunning aren't insignificant ever. EVER.
S'a bunch of bullshit that the perpetrators should be fucking ashamed of.
John- I was here for all of this. I will admit to only being peripherally involved, but I was one of the first people Summer called about this. I am telling you the girl's story changed from the onset. She said initially that no touching occurred that I would consider inappropriate. The couple in question appeared to have philosophical beliefs that I am certainly not in-line with, but thinking isn't a crime. Summer seemed to progressively get whipped into a fervor, the story got more dastardly from there, then she started to lash out. I frankly, am glad that all of them are gone.
What this says to me about the Keene activists:
1) Ian has his same weird ideas about young people being able to choose to have sex for themselves.
2) The Keene activists handled this relatively well. Some jumped to conclusions, some kept their heads. They talked with all parties. We generally came to the same conclusions.
3) JJ is a real gem of a guy.
No child has been molested here from what I can ascertain, therefore getting the cops involved is inappropriate.
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I was here for all of this. I will admit to only being peripherally involved, but I was one of the first people Summer called about this. I am telling you the girl's story changed from the onset. She said initially that no touching occurred that I would consider inappropriate.
I'm glad you are here to answer questions. I still don't understand what happened.
What did the story change to?
The couple in question appeared to have philosophical beliefs that I am certainly not in-line with, but thinking isn't a crime. Summer seemed to progressively get whipped into a fervor, the story got more dastardly from there, then she started to lash out.
Who's idea was it to have a 2:30AM meeting, and why? Who arranged a pedo couple and a single mother living together? Do you understand how doing things like that could whip someone up? What town did they live in?
How did she lash out...by posting things on Facebook?
2) The Keene activists handled this relatively well...
We generally came to the same conclusions.
What conclusions did you come to?
3) JJ is a real gem of a guy.
Is he the one that kicked out a single mother and a baby at 11PM?
I'm not sure why he was involved in this. But from what I read, he didn't come off as a gem. Can you explain why he is a gem in this situation?
No child has been molested here from what I can ascertain, therefore getting the cops involved is inappropriate.
How do you ascertain whether or not a child has been molested?
How did the cops get involved, and about what?
Why do you think the pedo couple has moved 8 9 times in the last two years?
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So now the thing that you were jumping up and down saying didn't happen is insignificant?
See, this is where your brain is like a not-brain. Kid rape and kid fucking and attempted coverups and unjust shunning aren't insignificant ever. EVER.
S'a bunch of bullshit that the perpetrators should be fucking ashamed of.
John- I was here for all of this. I will admit to only being peripherally involved, but I was one of the first people Summer called about this. I am telling you the girl's story changed from the onset. She said initially that no touching occurred that I would consider inappropriate. The couple in question appeared to have philosophical beliefs that I am certainly not in-line with, but thinking isn't a crime. Summer seemed to progressively get whipped into a fervor, the story got more dastardly from there, then she started to lash out. I frankly, am glad that all of them are gone.
What this says to me about the Keene activists:
1) Ian has his same weird ideas about young people being able to choose to have sex for themselves.
2) The Keene activists handled this relatively well. Some jumped to conclusions, some kept their heads. They talked with all parties. We generally came to the same conclusions.
3) JJ is a real gem of a guy.
No child has been molested here from what I can ascertain, therefore getting the cops involved is inappropriate.
Well I don't think she's ever claimed the sex happened between these people and a child. As a matter of fact she sez that the dude specifically claimed to have never actually gone through with the sexual act with a kid, apart from letting his kid play with his cock while they were taking a shower, which is as oogy as all fuck but I guess somewhat debatable without (Thankfully!) knowing the details.
On your points -
1. Yes.
2. I have a thing about disclosure. When I see what looks like people covering stuff up or twisting the story (On either side) I get really crabby. Once a scandal happens, I tend to believe the person who jumps up and starts screaming the whole story as loudly as possible. People who hesitate to tell their side make me dubious. Someone from the other side of this thing, rather than just repeating "She's a liar who called the police!" ( A statement that lacks any sort of weight.) should have written up the whole story from the opposing view. What it looks like at this point is that this woman had a negative experience, made it public in high detail, and was met with one or two sentence denials and accusations that she is "Crazy" and "A dirty statist" and so on, and depicting these people as perfectly normal, moral people who have an unusual but perfectly acceptable point of view.
If the girl was lying, someone should have come forward and detailed the entire scuttlebutt the same way she did, and provided multiple sources of conflicting viewpoints and rebutted her point by point. No one did this that I saw. What I saw, repeatedly, is "She's a liar and a bad person who called the police (But apparently filed no report against anyone.) and she lies and lies and she's crazy." But that's what we got. A bunch of denials and closed mouths and the implication that this was "Keene business" and no one else's, which looks really bad. In general, if you're the "Good guy", this sort of shit needs to be addressed.
I know you, and I trust you as a source with feet on the ground over there, and what you've said certainly sways my opinion of the situation simply on the merit of you being a friend I can trust, but I gotta disagree with you about how this was handled.
3. Everything I've ever heard about JJ is that he's a cool dude. I was pretty surprised about all of this and was wondering if his arm was being twisted by someone who had the ability/power to hold some sort of incentive/disincentive over his head.
As for the police thing - As I understood it, she called the police to get a ride, and filed no report. She used them because she apparently had no one else to call and didn't want to go where JJ said he was taking her. (A stranger's place) This is not something I'd do, personally, but I'm not a twenty something single mom who just moved across the country with my baby and have no resources to get help if I need it, either.
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I don't buy into "white guilt" or white supremacy. I think it's all collectivist bullshit, and I'll be a lot happier when people stop trying to identify people by skin color and so forth.
Do you refer to "non-white parasites" out a belief that the "non-whites" are parasites, or out of belief that the "non-white" parasites are somehow different from the white parasites? Which is it? You're doing a good job of portraying the collectivism I'm talking about.
Nice touch buy turning it up a notch to "white supremacy" from white separatist. :roll:
Ken....I bet you feel real special about yerself that you got yerself a chinese bride, to prove to the world that you are so above it all. And you prolly think yer some trailblazer, too, and that us "racist" whites could learn a thing or two from you.
Teach me Ken...Tell me why I should get me some chinese pussy.
White supremacists and white separatists are fellow travelers, and generally just bullshit racists with subtle nuances as for the hatred. They're pieces of shit just like you. I used white supremacist in this case because you "turned it up a notch" with the tone of your screed. You could try, and fail, to argue that referring to "non-white parasites" is not white supremacist, but you still haven't indicated whether you refer to "non-white parasites" out a belief that the "non-whites" are parasites, or out of belief that the "non-white" parasites are somehow worse than white parasites.
I know processing this is above your IQ, but Taiwanese ≠ Chinese, and my wife and I married because we love each other, not because we give a shit what anyone else thinks about it, least of all you.
This is just typical anti-white bullshit, Ken. This thread is not even the right place to discuss these things. Start a new thread and try to "catch a Nazi", and I would be happy to contribute to that thread. In the meantime....enjoy yer little oriental fetish, while doing yer best to perfect anti-white sentiment.
Yeah, I'm a white guy and I'm "anti-white." You're a fucking idiot. If it's not the right place to discuss these things, why did you bring it up, bitch?
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/drama-in-the-free-state/msg631855/#msg631855 (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/drama-in-the-free-state/msg631855/#msg631855)
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What Mark said. (That's essentially what I was about to try to convey.)
If the girl was lying, someone should have come forward and detailed the entire scuttlebutt the same way she did, and provided multiple sources of conflicting viewpoints and rebutted her point by point.
I disagree. Back and forth online discussions like that, particularly about such an emotionally-charged subject that almost eliminates any hope for rationality, just serves like an engine to drum up the drama. It's gossip at its worst. For example...
...apart from letting his kid play with his cock while they were taking a shower, which is as oogy as all fuck but I guess somewhat debatable without (Thankfully!) knowing the details.
You admit to not knowing the details but you're already changing the details and repeating it into the ether. I heard about this 2nd hand which is also unreliable and I heard the kid asked if he could touch it and was told "yes". Without even hearing it 2nd-hand, you've already described it as "playing with". Another person who hears about it will escalate it again and so on. I'm already regretting bringing it up again when I don't know. I admit to finding it creepy enough along with the POVs that if I had kids, I'd never allow them alone with such a person and I'd tell people I know to do the same, but not nearly enough to launch a public campaign to out them.
Just the fact that these things were so honestly revealed without any incident or inquest ought to count for something. It's like worrying that the person open-carrying is going to use it to commit a crime against you. The greatest threats to kids are much less honest people but catching them is as difficult as catching the people who hide their guns for nefarious purposes. You have to wait for them to act. It sucks, but the alternative is a guilty until proven innocent culture, e.g. a police state and no privacy or freedom. Now that they've been run out of town, they will likely be much less open about their views to other parents. If they actually have any inclination to act, they're more likely to get that opportunity and to not get caught.
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You have to wait for them to act.
No you don't. Do you have to wait for someone with homophobia to physically attack a gay person before you say something publicly about their fucked up beliefs?
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I disagree. Back and forth online discussions like that, particularly about such an emotionally-charged subject that almost eliminates any hope for rationality, just serves like an engine to drum up the drama. It's gossip at its worst. For example...
Dale, you have to agree that this conversation wouldn't even be happening if people were being up front about this whole thing.
Secrecy breeds suspicion.
You admit to not knowing the details but you're already changing the details and repeating it into the ether.
No, I used terminology that you didn't like to describe something. Terminology that fits the action. Kid is taking a shower with father. Kid asks to touch his penis. Father consents. The phrase "Playing with" applies.
Just the fact that these things were so honestly revealed without any incident or inquest ought to count for something.
They weren't Dale. It wasn't addressed at all beyond "She's a liar and she's crazy and we're shunning her." and that only happened after she told the world in her FB posts.
You have to wait for them to act. It sucks, but the alternative is a guilty until proven innocent culture, e.g. a police state and no privacy or freedom.
Not when they vocalize intent and desire, and SHE DIDN'T CONTACT THE GOVERNMENT ABOUT THE KID SEX ISSUE AT ALL.
Now that they've been run out of town, they will likely be much less open about their views to other parents. If they actually have any inclination to act, they're more likely to get that opportunity and to not get caught.
Who "ran them out of town", Dale? Where's the police report? What town? Who reported them? You are saying the these people shouldn't be persecuted for just their words, yes? Well what did Summer do other than use words?
If you have evidence that Summer reported these people to the government, I want to see it. Until then, you are just saying that she did the same thing that they did, which is talk and not act.
So why is it that she is shunned and they weren't? You said "You have to wait for them to act." - So why is Summer a bad person again?
Again, show me where she reported these people to government and I will retract everything I've said.
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No you don't. Do you have to wait for someone with homophobia to physically attack a gay person before you say something publicly about their fucked up beliefs?
If the environment were clearly such that they would likely face government harassment simply for expressing said beliefs, then yes.
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No you don't. Do you have to wait for someone with homophobia to physically attack a gay person before you say something publicly about their fucked up beliefs?
If the environment were clearly such that they would likely face government harassment simply for expressing said beliefs, then yes.
Wait wait wait - So are you saying now that liberty types are obligated to protect bad people from government through obfuscation?!?!
We're not allowed to talk publicly in case government people are watching?
Please clarify because I can't believe that you meant it that way.
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Just for the record -
I'd love to be wrong about all of this. Especially toward Mark and Dale. You know I love you guys.
Seriously. Find me the reports she filed or tell me what town it is so I can find out myself.
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Dale, you have to agree that this conversation wouldn't even be happening if people were being up front about this whole thing. ...Secrecy breeds suspicion.
I absolutely do not believe that. There's a difference between secrecy and just not wanting to have a huge public outing on a subject like this where it's so very common for people to dismiss all rational thought in favor of emotionalism.
No, I used terminology that you didn't like to describe something. Terminology that fits the action. Kid is taking a shower with father. Kid asks to touch his penis. Father consents. The phrase "Playing with" applies.
"Playing with" means something very specific when you're talking about a penis, and you know it, and that cannot be inferred from a far-beyond-2nd-hand conveyance of what was said.
They weren't Dale. It wasn't addressed at all beyond "She's a liar and she's crazy and we're shunning her." and that only happened after she told the world in her FB posts.
I was talking about the parents who revealed their controversial views on consent. Their openness was the only reason anyone could know anything at all.
SHE DIDN'T CONTACT THE GOVERNMENT ABOUT THE KID SEX ISSUE AT ALL.
Can we all stop playing ignorant about the culture we live in? Have you watched "To Catch a Predator" where they set people up for a staged sex opportunity with someone a few months short of the legal age of consent so they can lecture them, demonize them, lock them up, and then put them on the sex offender registry for harassment to follow them the rest of their lives?
We are living in the culture of a modern witch hunt. If you don't join in the witch hunt in today's culture, you draw suspicion to yourself for being a witch and that's a very scary place to be. That's the fear that's fueling this drama.
Summer stood in the middle of the proverbial town square, pointed her finger and cried "Witch!" in the modern equivalent of old Salem, MA.
John, everyone here knows you're a good person and that you oppose child predation. You have nothing to prove. Now drop out of the fucking witch hunt and quit defending Summer.
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We're not allowed to talk publicly in case government people are watching?
Please clarify because I can't believe that you meant it that way.
I'm saying that if I knew someone would get burned at the stake by the government merely for expressing homophobic views, then I would work to change that and in the meantime I would feel guilt for exposing them. I believe free speech is crucial for a free society and I believe it's the most controversial speech that needs protecting. I'm not going to dismiss myself of any sense of responsibility when I can just say a few words that will bring down the wrath of government on people just for their speech. That's awfully convenient and playing ignorant to the gun in the room.
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Dale, you have to agree that this conversation wouldn't even be happening if people were being up front about this whole thing. ...Secrecy breeds suspicion.
I absolutely do not believe that. There's a difference between secrecy and just not wanting to have a huge public outing on a subject like this where it's so very common for people to dismiss all rational thought in favor of emotionalism.
... Posting on your facebook page qualifies as a "Huge public outing"?
"Playing with" means something very specific when you're talking about a penis, and you know it, and that cannot be inferred from a far-beyond-2nd-hand conveyance of what was said.
In the context of the entire conversation was centered on the fact that the dude wants to fuck children, it certainly does, Dale. That was what they were talking about and he volunteered that information at that time.
I was talking about the parents who revealed their controversial views on consent. Their openness was the only reason anyone could know anything at all.
Fair enough.
Can we all stop playing ignorant about the culture we live in? Have you watched "To Catch a Predator" where they set people up for a staged sex opportunity with someone a few months short of the legal age of consent so they can lecture them, demonize them, lock them up, and then put them on the sex offender registry for harassment to follow them the rest of their lives?
We are living in the culture of a modern witch hunt. If you don't join in the witch hunt in today's culture, you draw suspicion to yourself for being a witch and that's a very scary place to be. That's the fear that's fueling this drama.
Summer stood in the middle of the proverbial town square, pointed her finger and cried "Witch!" in the modern equivalent of old Salem, MA.
1. Who is "We"?
2. In a free society ostracism requires an open accusation, publicly. In a statist society it inevitably leads to force by government. There is a conflict here because while "we" are trying to live like free people, "we" are defacto in a statist society. If you ostracize, you do it publicly. The state can see that.
So, are you suggesting that no one ostracize anyone for behavior that overlaps with the state's monopolies? That any behavior, no matter how bad, shouldn't be properly ostracized because the state might see it and get involved? Are you suggesting that doing so is to collude with the state and deliberately initiating force? That's a big assed can of worms, brother.
John, everyone here knows you're a good person and that you oppose child predation. You have nothing to prove. Now drop out of the fucking witch hunt and quit defending Summer.
This is not about me proving to the world that I'm a good guy, and your suggestion that I am so emotionally immature that I require my ego to be stroked by being told that I am the good guy is... whatever.
Also telling me that I am participating in a witch hunt is as insulting as all fuck. Stop attacking me Dale. There's no reason for it. You are getting hostile with me without cause. I am not being hostile toward you and have expressed my desire to be convinced.
Where's the police report? I'm not gonna stop asking until information is provided or people start admitting that she never filed one.
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Lemme restate all of that shit with a scenario to think over -
Let's say we live in a totally free society.
All the exact same shit happens with the exact same people.
She calls a private security company to get her out of the house or whatever rather than the police, an action that frankly has no net effect in either universe to the specific subject at hand.
She just as publicly says all the exact same things using the same means to ostracize these people. (Posting a rant on Facebook)
Now, there is no government.
Was what she did morally acceptable? Telling the world about this dude's views, that he opened his very own mouth and spoke about knowing that it could be repeated?
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Summer stood in the middle of the proverbial town square, pointed her finger and cried "Witch!" in the modern equivalent of old Salem, MA.
I think that would be ok if the person Summer was pointing to is actually a witch.
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And again, for the record - I am not talking about what sort of actions I am willing to take.
If that conversation had happened with me it would have been very short.
"You touch my fucking kid I tie you to a tree with "Kid fucker" carved into your forehead. Are we clear? If you have a problem with that go tell everyone your story and see who gets ostracized. I'm willing to take the chance."
Bah. Still loves ya Dale.
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When Ian moved to NH and discovered a grow op in his house, was he wrong to post picture and talk about it on his national syndicated radio show?
I mean, the state does have a war on drugs and all.
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... Posting on your facebook page qualifies as a "Huge public outing"?
On this subject? Of course! Are you aware that I just spent almost an entire FTL episode talking about the dangers to your privacy when you use FB?
In the context of the entire conversation was centered on the fact that the dude wants to fuck children, it certainly does, Dale. That was what they were talking about and he volunteered that information at that time.
I heard it told from someone who heard it firsthand and that's not how I heard it. You're describing it in a purposefully inflammatory way.
1. Who is "We"?
How about anyone living under the watchful eye of the U.S. government, whether you wish to be an active participant or not?
2. In a free society ostracism requires an open accusation, publicly.
I'm not having a beef with ostracism when it's appropriate. In this case, I call it a witch hunt, and I would be more inclined to ostracize someone for starting a witch hunt when it's not called for than I would to ostracize someone for honestly expressing extremely controversial views. I'm not saying I would ostracize Summer, probably wouldn't actually, but I certainly won't publicly defend her actions.
So, are you suggesting that no one ostracize anyone for behavior that overlaps with the state's monopolies? That any behavior, no matter how bad, shouldn't be properly ostracized because the state might see it and get involved?
I'm saying that if you're ostracizing anyone, it should be people who start witch hunts. She knows she lives in an environment where starting a witch hunt takes about as much as starting a fire in a building that's been soaked with kerosene. She tossed the match knowing what would happen. Anyone who's paying attention knows what it will do and it takes feigned ignorance to claim otherwise.
This is not about me proving to the world that I'm a good guy, and your suggestion that I am so emotionally immature that I require my ego to be stroked by being told that I am the good guy is... whatever.
I'm saying that, like many people, you are caught up in the culture that tries to force you to pick sides-- be in the witch hunt or be a witch. I don't know how else to interpret how you're handling this. You know that what I've said about the inflammatory nature of these sorts of public accusations is true. The accusation alone will stand as a conviction for all practical purposes. I know you're not stupid.
Also telling me that I am participating in a witch hunt is as insulting as all fuck.
You're valiantly coming to the defense of a witch hunter. I don't mean to be insulting, I certainly don't mean it as an attack, but I don't know what else to call it.
I don't have a police report. I'd made it clear many times and many ways that that's not the point in a witch hunt environment so it's a straw-man. I think the proof would be in the pudding in terms of the government investigative shit storm that would have followed if they'd not disappeared and so I can't blame them for wanting to leave.
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I think that would be ok if the person Summer was pointing to is actually a witch.
Exactly the point-- that's far from clear. And the point is a huge public discussion is not going to serve justice on an inflammatory subject like this. It's obviously going to result in a "witch hunt".
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I'm not having a beef with ostracism when it's appropriate. In this case, I call it a witch hunt, and I would be more inclined to ostracize someone for starting a witch hunt when it's not called for than I would to ostracize someone for honestly expressing extremely controversial views. I'm not saying I would ostracize Summer, probably wouldn't actually, but I certainly won't publicly defend her actions.
Alright, here is the core of the issue.
I have said more than three times in this thread that I would not do what she did. That does not qualify as defending her actions.
And Summer is being ostracized.
My issue is that she made a statement publicly, with the intent to ostracize someone. You can speculate on her motivations and whether she knowingly tried to get the government to see or not.
The fact that she deleted those posts from her FB after all of that was pointed out to her might shed some light on her motivations, Dale. How do you respond to that? Damage was already done? I dunno.
I never defended her. I questioned the validity of attacking her and I suggested (Strongly) that her actions could have been justified.
<<<Not a white knight.
As for the witch hunt thing - Sorry I got so huffy. You say you weren't attacking me, I believe it. Just, you know, do me the solid and go back a reread what you said. Was easily construed as a pretty schooling tone you were using rather than a debate between equals. Socratic even.
Also, I take issue with the term "Witch hunt" because that implies a bunch of people looking for something that isn't there. This dude is a pedophile. He admitted it in conversation. Whether he has physically touched a child sexually is irrelevant to anyone who has a child near him, and if he talks about his views to just one person and they blab it everywhere it's his own fault.
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Now, there is no government.
Forget government. Let's cut to the chase.
If you know that your speech will almost certainly cause harm to people, from whatever source, and you don't know for certain that said people are guilty of doing any harm to anyone (just controversial speech), do you still feel absolved of any responsibility for that harm? If you mention that there's a slave family hiding out in the Jones' basement and just happen to be within ear shot of some known KKK members, do you not feel any guilt? Government is just the primary source of that harm right now.
John, we have a lot in common, morally-speaking, but we don't share the exact same motivations. I'll state that disclaimer up front and I realize I have to appeal to you based on your own moral motivations. I'm far less concerned with justice than I am in reducing harm to all parties. But I think you would agree that justice is not served if innocent people are placed in harms way.
NOTE: Being written at the same time as your last post. I think we're finding common ground and I'll try to respond but I may not get to it right now because I have to do some stuph.
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I think I got whiplash!
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I think that would be ok if the person Summer was pointing to is actually a witch.
Exactly the point-- that's far from clear.
But didn't the dude admit to being a pedo?
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Forget government. Let's cut to the chase.
C'mon now...
Dale, what is the result of that scenario, morally?
There was a very specific point I was trying to make there. If there weren't government in the mix, you would not have had a problem with her actions, would you? Ostracism is a public accusation with a call to refute it. You're declaring throughout the land that you have seen something that you consider unjust or immoral. That is what ostracism is. You are saying publicly - "I will not associate with this person because they said or did THIS."
If you know that your speech will almost certainly cause harm to people, from whatever source, and you don't know for certain that said people are guilty of doing any harm to anyone (just controversial speech), do you still feel absolved of any responsibility for that harm? If you mention that there's a slave family hiding out in the Jones' basement and just happen to be within ear shot of some known KKK members, do you not feel any guilt? Government is just the primary source of that harm right now.
And how will the issues of injustice be brought to light, Dale? Shit had to come out for it to be dealt with. There has to be a public accusation for there to be a market based justice system, because the public dissemination of the violation is the ultimate punishment in a free society. The bad person does a bad thing, and then the world is told. That's the most powerful thing anyone can do when there's no force being thrown around, and no, I am not in any way responsible for someone else initiating force for any reason, ever, even if it's a direct result of something I said.
I wouldn't, however, tell KKK members that there are slaves in a basement, and I said a couple posts back what I, personally would have done in this situation.
John, we have a lot in common, morally-speaking, but we don't share the exact same motivations. I'll state that disclaimer up front and I realize I have to appeal to you based on your own moral motivations. I'm far less concerned with justice than I am in reducing harm to all parties. But I think you would agree that justice is not served if innocent people are placed in harms way.
Key word being innocent. Yes. That point has become moot because the people in this specific case didn't stick around to defend themselves and couldn't have been harmed at all, using assumed names. (An act I take no particular issue with.) They hauled ass PDQ. Is it right that they felt the need to leave? I honestly can't say. I'm not automatically jumping to the conclusion that just because they ran they are guilty, either, but it doesn't look great. As I understand it the offer was made to arbitrate a discussion and it was turned down by the party in question. Also sketchy.
I am interested in both reducing harm and to some degree preventing it. My means of prevention would have been personal, as I already described.
I believe we have the same motivations, Dale. I am just not as nice a guy as you are. Fuck bad people. If they are sorry and make damn sure to prove it, then cool. No more fuck them. If they prove over time to continue being bad, then WAAAAAY fuck them. I have a pretty deep well of forgiveness, but it is conditional and not as deep as yours, maybe.
NOTE: Being written at the same time as your last post. I think we're finding common ground and I'll try to respond but I may not get to it right now because I have to do some stuph.
Cool. Maybe this post helps.
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What should Summer have done Dale? It would have been easiest for her to say nothing, and just make sure her own child was never near the dude.
Maybe she should have known everybody wouldn't give her the benefit of the doubt? Maybe us now, but I would have thought everyone would be on my side if I talked about this at 20 too.
If he is going to be a "openaboutit" pedo he should a. admit he shouldn't act upon it and b. not do anything to cause suspicion or set himself up for to much temptation, like a dangerous alcoholic shouldn't have a large supply of booze.
It's not fair to compair Summer and by association John to that obvious entrapment on that show. 8 is a child. 14 is (barely) debatable.
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So am I to believe that if the Keene liberty community found out judge Burke, or some keene cop or statist state rep was a pedophile they would keep it a secret?
Or do you only keep it a secret when it is someone in your group?
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So am I to believe that if the Keene liberty community found out judge Burke, or some keene cop or statist state rep was a pedophile they would keep it a secret?
Or do you only keep it a secret when it is someone in your group?
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she can eat popcorn (or crackers) in my bed anytime - on another planet - i'm an old married guy!
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So am I to believe that if the Keene liberty community found out judge Burke, or some keene cop or statist state rep was a pedophile they would keep it a secret?
Or do you only keep it a secret when it is someone in your group?
I don't think anyone has said he should keep it a secret. The issue is what's to be done now that the info has been made public.
In another post in this thread I asked "wouldn't you rather know who to keep your kids away from?" I don't think anyone answered that.
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In the Free Society scenario, the couple in question would have fled. What are the odds they would have found a home in some other community with others who are "sympathetic to their ideals"?
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If there weren't government in the mix, you would not have had a problem with her actions, would you?
If the environment were such that there was hope for a calm, rational discussion about what's wrong with their controversial views without putting them in jeopardy just by the public outing alone, then no, I wouldn't. I still feel like really smart people are feigning ignorance about the mass hysteria that this subject invokes and all the potential repercussions.
And how will the issues of injustice be brought to light, Dale? Shit had to come out for it to be dealt with.
There are no issues. There is no shit. There are controversial views. There is ZERO real evidence of any harm done to any child. As I understand it from hearing it from multiple first-hand sources, all we have is what they said and that included that they have not acted and that they don't intend to, and having controversial views is not a violation of anyone's rights.
I wouldn't, however, tell KKK members that there are slaves in a basement, and I said a couple posts back what I, personally would have done in this situation.
Bad choice for an example on my part. Obviously we all sympathize with the slaves, not to mention that I don't think the KKK overlaps with institutionalized slavery on the time line. A better example might be some pro-lifers posting the personal info of abortion doctors knowing that there are people out there ready and willing to assassinate them. I doubt even the pro-life folks here support that tactic.
Key word being innocent. Yes. That point has become moot because the people in this specific case didn't stick around to defend themselves and couldn't have been harmed at all, using assumed names.
I've done my best to convey to you why I strongly disagree with such optimism so I guess we just have to disagree, and unfortunately, that seems to be the crux of the rest of our disagreement. I doubt I would have reacted as strongly as Ian did toward Summer, but I understand his motives and I think this is what it comes down to. I have no expectations for anything remotely approaching a rational airing of the issues via a very public Facebook discussion and so I don't ascribe any fishiness to them leaving town. I think they had a rational fear that their children could be taken from them or more. I do agree with some here that they were naive not to expect someone to react like Summer did. They were sort of collectivist in that way, i.e. assuming all Free Keene folks were above the typical mainstream over-reaction to this subject.
I believe we have the same motivations, Dale. I am just not as nice a guy as you are. Fuck bad people. If they are sorry and make damn sure to prove it, then cool. No more fuck them. If they prove over time to continue being bad, then WAAAAAY fuck them. I have a pretty deep well of forgiveness, but it is conditional and not as deep as yours, maybe.
I have no idea what I'm supposed to be forgiving them for. I strongly disagree with them and would love a chance to talk to them and try to change their views. I am quite willing to forgive Summer for reacting in a way that would likely bring harm to (for all we know) innocent people. (Note: It's my opinion that harm from her actions is very likely. I realize I've failed to convince you of that and I've more or less given up.) She's simply caught up in the massive frenzy that this subject inspires. I don't doubt her sincerity and desire to do the right thing. The pedo-frenzy is a fairly modern phenomenon and I do think people will eventually calm down and be able to talk about it again with rational solutions in mind. All the emotionalism leads people to poor solutions. Kind of reminds me of the war on drugs. Some people are facing real problems related to drug abuse but the way we're trying to solve those is ineffective and often makes things much worse.
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Pedo-frenzy? Maybe this should have been handled internally but this sort of thing has to be hashed out. It would be best to have clear definitions and nip it in the bud. I would recommend that someone in the FSP start some sort of arbitration firm, preferably more than one. This shouldn't be shouted from the rooftops but it shouldn't be shoved under the rug either. It will suck, and even though I would prefere to have people who have tendencies towards child sexual attraction be forthright, it is better if everyone is just honest and says that what they want to do isn't exceptable. I wish you insiders could at least sympathise with us outsiders point of view. A young single mother felt frightened and had no one to turn to. For at least the second time the free staters were called for real world help and dropped the ball.
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If there weren't government in the mix, you would not have had a problem with her actions, would you?
If the environment were such that there was hope for a calm, rational discussion about what's wrong with their controversial views without putting them in jeopardy just by the public outing alone, then no, I wouldn't. I still feel like really smart people are feigning ignorance about the mass hysteria that this subject invokes and all the potential repercussions.
So not even in a free society then, right? I mean, what you're saying is that a society without significant chance of retaliation against people with "Controversial views" must exist before this is an acceptable topic to even discuss?
As for the repercussions of a dude admitting to be a pedophile on a planet where pedophilia is almost universally denounced are solely the responsibility of the dude and no one else, so far as I'm concerned. Dude knew what he was saying when he opened his mouth, right? No one is responsible for that but him. HE publicly outed himself.
There are no issues. There is no shit. There are controversial views. There is ZERO real evidence of any harm done to any child. As I understand it from hearing it from multiple first-hand sources, all we have is what they said and that included that they have not acted and that they don't intend to, and having controversial views is not a violation of anyone's rights.
It is however, perfectly valid that anyone with a kid near this dude, after he admits his... tastes, should be informed of them so that they can make their own choice about interacting with him, or letting their kid come near him. And for the record, he didn't say that he didn't intend to have sex with children. He said that he hadn't at this point, and when specifically asked about whether he had touched Summer's baby, he responded with (Accurate paraphrasing) "She's too young for my tastes, I like them between 6 and 8." Did you catch the implication in that statement?
Also, a point I'd like to make about "controversial views" - Pedophilia is no more a "controversial view" than homosexuality is. It is a state of brain chemistry due to development or genetics or whatever. The dude admits to sexual feelings toward children. He is a pedophile. That's what a pedophile is. It is not the action, it is the predilection.
Before my next statement I want to make clear that I am in NO WAY conflating being gay with being a pedophile. Nothing wrong with being gay at all.
Now - To prove the point about action vs. thought - You were gay before you ever had sex with a dude. You will surely admit this, yes? Having sex is not what defined your sexual tastes. It is not the action. It is who you are. You're a gay guy. S'cool. But you'd still be gay whether or not you ever decided to have sex with a dude, right? You'd still be a gay guy if you closeted up and joined a church and married some woman who doesn't like sex anyhow and etc etc.
This dude expressed his desire to have sex with children. He's a pedophile. He admitted it fairly openly. That is who he is, whatever the reason. He also specifically said that children can consent. That absolutely means that he saw no reason why it would be necessary to consult a parent when or if he decided to act on his sexual feelings. He even dropped the phrase "Anti ageist" into the convo.
That leads to the logical conclusion that if he decided to have sex with a child, he'd do it and he would be perfectly happy to hide it from the parents of the child, what with it not being any of their business, due to the child's ability to consent.
Now, there are fucking shitpiles of scientific and social evidence that fucking a kid damages them. I don't think that this is even in dispute so I'm not gonna cite any of the thousands of studies out there. Fucking kids hurts kids. There's no controversy there. It's a supportable fact.
Long story short - This guy wants to fuck kids. Keep him away from kids or there is a greater than zero chance of them getting fucked. Knowing this is more valuable than his sense of privacy, especially when he is willing to admit it in conversation. This is not some case where some creepy guy acted sorta creepy and people were worried about what he might do. That I would totally agree qualifies as the witch hunt you were talking about. This is a very specific case of a man expressing his desire to do something.
Tell the whole fucking world as far as I'm concerned. Let it be known throughout the land. S'not my problem if as a result of his messed up brain and big mouth that the state starts paying attention to him. The fact that gooberment exists is a bummer, but I am not responsible for gooberment or its actions, and I'm not pretending ignorance either.
I think you might have a problem using free market solutions that overlap state monopolies because the state might intercede. Well, I dunno what to tell you about that beyond that I think that kids being exposed to pedophiles is worse to me than pedophiles being exposed to gooberment. Again, I wouldn't have done what she did. In some ways what I would have done is worse, by threatening the dude personally, but at least my threat would have been an if/then sort of affair. But I don't think she did anything worthy of what happened to her. She was treated like the perpetrator rather than the victim.
Bad choice for an example on my part. Obviously we all sympathize with the slaves, not to mention that I don't think the KKK overlaps with institutionalized slavery on the time line. A better example might be some pro-lifers posting the personal info of abortion doctors knowing that there are people out there ready and willing to assassinate them. I doubt even the pro-life folks here support that tactic.
But that isn't what happened. What happened is more akin to an abortion doctor sitting down with a pro-lifer and telling them all about how he's an abortion doctor who's never performed an abortion yet.
Of course that metaphor breaks down because there's nothing wrong with abortion and there IS something wrong with pedophilia. Pedophilia is bad.
They were sort of collectivist in that way, i.e. assuming all Free Keene folks were above the typical mainstream over-reaction to this subject.
Yeah, we disagree. I have been pretty damned rational in this discussion with you and I will continue to assert that there is no "Typical mainstream over-reaction" to pedophilia. That dude needs serious therapy and whatever other treatments exist/will exist and he needs to be kept away from children. Otherwise kids could get fucked just because he can't do without his favorite type of orgasm. That's small potatoes for him, but life changing damage for most kids.
Because he's not interested in help, people need to be informed so they can keep their kids away from him. Summer did that. I still see no problem here in her actions, man.
I have no idea what I'm supposed to be forgiving them for.
I was talking bad behavior in general, not this particular case.
I strongly disagree with them and would love a chance to talk to them and try to change their views.
I don't think anything either of us could say would be helpful. This is serious psychological shit that requires therapy. Sexual desire is not always rational, by nature, and debate doesn't change what causes a hardon.
I am quite willing to forgive Summer for reacting in a way that would likely bring harm to (for all we know) innocent people. (Note: It's my opinion that harm from her actions is very likely. I realize I've failed to convince you of that and I've more or less given up.)
Yeah, we disagree there. I think she ostracized some people good and proper, although I'd have done it differently. It would probably have ended in the same result if it were me, though. If I had told the dude right then and there that I was gonna tell everyone in the community what he'd just told me via word of mouth, they'd have bugged out just as quickly I think.
I don't doubt her sincerity and desire to do the right thing.
This we agree on.
The pedo-frenzy is a fairly modern phenomenon and I do think people will eventually calm down and be able to talk about it again with rational solutions in mind. All the emotionalism leads people to poor solutions.
Rational solution options to pedophilia are therapy and ostracism. The dude wasn't gonna do the therapy thing, man. He thought that his views were acceptable and rational. Ostracism was the only option left.
Kind of reminds me of the war on drugs. Some people are facing real problems related to drug abuse but the way we're trying to solve those is ineffective and often makes things much worse.
I don't see how. Being a drug addict doesn't necessitate harming anyone but oneself.
Being a pedophile by its very nature requires someone else to act upon if the temptation or whatever is too strong. I junkie can shoot up and lie in bed with no one getting hurt. A pedophile can't fuck a kid and not fuck a kid at the same time.
A cannot also be non-A.
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Maybe this should have been handled internally but this sort of thing has to be hashed out.
I think that this is a very important conversation and it's good that someone is having it. Hence my big assed posts, heh.
They should be getting smaller at this point, for clarity sake, but I'm violating my own rule and blabbing away.
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So am I to believe that if the Keene liberty community found out judge Burke, or some keene cop or statist state rep was a pedophile they would keep it a secret?
Or do you only keep it a secret when it is someone in your group?
I don't think anyone has said he should keep it a secret. The issue is what's to be done now that the info has been made public.
In another post in this thread I asked "wouldn't you rather know who to keep your kids away from?" I don't think anyone answered that.
I'm pretty sure it is still a "secret" in the free keene community. The only thing we know about this couple is a fake first names, that they have a two year old, and the dude is a pedophile. I would need more information in order to know who to keep my kids away from...unless I am just supposed to avoid all Free Keeners.
I would like to know who to keep my kids away from. Is there somewhere else on the internet I can go to find out about this dude, or is this the only place it is being discussed? Currenlty I don't have enough information so I could avoid him. I'll need a picture in order to avoid him.
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So not even in a free society then, right? I mean, what you're saying is that a society without significant chance of retaliation against people with "Controversial views" must exist before this is an acceptable topic to even discuss?
We can always discuss the topic. Where I stress extreme caution is with public accusations toward specific presumed-innocent people without clear evidence of a crime or threat. I think I mis-poke or you misheard, probably the former. I was trying to say that yes, we could have this discussion with regard to specific people openly in public in a culture where there is some sense of justice, i.e. an innocent until prove guilty approach instead of as it is, i.e. the exact opposite, ESPECIALLY on this subject.
On a slight side note, I'm having to craft my words because you keep saying "government". I feel that you see governments as the root of the problem. I see them as a symptom of cultures that have irrational behaviors. We won't see voluntary and non-monopolistic governments until we change the cultures that fuel the authoritarian monopoly style of governments (credit to my friend Menno for the term). It's just as people will not abandon irrational religions until they stop being superstitious and unscientific. I'm just trying to dig a little deeper.
As for the repercussions of a dude admitting to be a pedophile on a planet where pedophilia is almost universally denounced
Support for violent governments is almost universal. Means absolutely shit to me. I'm trying to get people to distinguish between the ACT which we would almost certainly all universally agree has a victim and is therefore criminal, and a
THOUGHT CRIME
HE publicly outed himself.
I admitted he was stupid to talk about it openly but he didn't exactly make a webpage or post it on FB. He told a small circle of friends he thought he could trust not to act as the thought police.
And for the record...
You don't have any business going there. You were not there. You don't have the record. You have 2nd-hand out-of-context information from one extremely biased source. Again, that was one of my biggest points to begin with and why I take issue with a massive public discussion amongst people who WERE NOT THERE about an extremely volatile topic. This is gossip at its worst. I wasn't there either. I didn't follow the gossip because I didn't trust it and I hate that kind of drama. I stated what I heard and how was very different from what you heard only to point out how unreliable such information is, especially when the repercussions are so potentially serious. I understand there are potentially serious repercussions for children if an acting pedophile isn't stopped, and I am inclined to er on the side of safety, but not to the point of dismissively harming innocent people.
That absolutely means that he saw no reason why it would be necessary to consult a parent when or if he decided to act on his sexual feelings. He even dropped the phrase "Anti ageist" into the convo.
Bullshit. He knows there are potential and likely serious repercussions if he acts on it for as long as our culture broadly rejects his views on child consent, whether it's the government specifically or concerned people defending children.
That leads to the logical conclusion that if he decided to have sex with a child, he'd do it and he would be perfectly happy to hide it from the parents of the child, what with it not being any of their business, due to the child's ability to consent.
I don't think you can derive all that at all from the statements that you got 2nd-hand and out of context from an emotional source. That implies a sneakiness and very confrontational approach to his differences of opinion with other people. He has not demonstrated those traits, quite the opposite actually.
Now, there are fucking shitpiles of scientific and social evidence that fucking a kid damages them.
You don't even have to go there. I get it. Really.
This guy wants to fuck kids. Keep him away from kids or there is a greater than zero chance of them getting fucked.
Protecting kids is crucial, but the principle of innocent until proven guilty is a very core foundation of my moral structure and I will not contrive justifications for violating it.
This is not some case where some creepy guy acted sorta creepy and people were worried about what he might do.
I believe that's exactly what it is.
I dunno what to tell you about that beyond that I think that kids being exposed to pedophiles is worse to me than pedophiles being exposed to gooberment.
When there's not proof whatsoever of any criminal action, just thoughts, and you know governments are almost certainly going to violate his rights. This subject has you so stirred up that you've abandoned any principles of innocent until proven guilty, at least in your heart. It's attitudes like that which justify aggression against innocent people, one of the attitudes of a culture that allows aggressive governments to flourish.
I don't think anything either of us could say would be helpful. This is serious psychological shit that requires therapy. Sexual desire is not always rational, by nature, and debate doesn't change what causes a hardon.
Then there's a pretty good chance that's the direction the conversation would go. "Get professional help, man. Seriously."
Kind of reminds me of the war on drugs. Some people are facing real problems related to drug abuse but the way we're trying to solve those is ineffective and often makes things much worse.
I don't see how. Being a drug addict doesn't necessitate harming anyone but oneself.
The analogy was simply meant to point out a knee-jerk reaction that doesn't solve the problem and even makes it worse. I think the ways we try to protect children from pedophiles aren't very effective for protecting children and end up harming innocent people. In that sense it's very like the drug war. Shit like putting people on registries that force them live under bridges (yes, for realz), as if any true predator won't just travel a few miles to violate children. (Who wants to shit where they eat?) The attitude is "Fuck 'em. They're pedos. They should have been executed!"
I'm not going to quote and respond to the long list of your obfuscations that compare the thought to the deed and treat him as a criminal for thoughts and not actions.
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I would like to know who to keep my kids away from. Is there somewhere else on the internet I can go to find out about this dude, or is this the only place it is being discussed? Currenlty I don't have enough information so I could avoid him. I'll need a picture in order to avoid him.
You should be vetting anyone that you might allow to be alone with your children in a private setting. Statistically, your children are at the greatest risk with your friends and family that are secretive about their desires. I don't want to make you paranoid (watch the South Park episode about pedophilia), but I don't know the answer for protecting against that other than to trust your instincts and find polite ways to decline someone's offer to babysit when your internal alarms are going off, or whatever. I really don't have great answers. It's an insidious problem.
But I know what you're asking for is simply a false sense of security. You have hope that targeting specific people on some kind of registry will somehow significantly decrease the odds of your children being molested. It won't. This is akin to seeking gun control to deal with crime. You've been deluded by the pedo-frenzy and the extremely bad solutions it has put forth. When you get your knee-jerk emotional reactions under control, you can finally start seeking rational solutions for keeping your children safe.
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Maybe this should have been handled internally but this sort of thing has to be hashed out.
I'm inclined to agree with that. I just take issue with a massive public outing when I'm quite confident that justice will not be served by it.
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Maybe this should have been handled internally but this sort of thing has to be hashed out.
I'm inclined to agree with that. I just take issue with a massive public outing when I'm quite confident that justice will not be served by it.
So you are advocating the catholic church way of dealing with pedophiles?
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I doubt I would have reacted as strongly as Ian did toward Summer, but I understand his motives and I think this is what it comes down to.
What is Ian's role in this?
How did Ian react?
What do you think his motives are?
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I think part of what's fueling your frenzy is a misunderstanding. You have interpreted his admitted attraction to children as a burning and uncontrollable desire that MUST be acted upon. Agreed that it is an unhealthy desire and IF he acted on it, there would be a clear victim but you're jumping to some unjustified conclusions.
I'd guess you've been attracted to countless women who did not reciprocate your feelings. Most of us can relate, especially me since most of the people I'm attracted to are incapable of ever being attracted back. IF you violated a woman's space to fulfill that desire against her wishes, there would be repercussions including the fact that you'd feel like shit because you're just not the kind of guy who can sleep with himself after violating someone's rights. But more so, you might get prosecuted, or slapped with a restraining order, or a free market version much like those, or simply a punch in the mouth by her boyfriend or another valiant guy who just happened to witness the interaction. There are countless repercussions for acting on those desires that go beyond your personal morality. He has consent issues, yes, but there are many other serious repercussions that apply to him and he knows it.
The point is you control yourself and for all we know, so does this guy. It's as simple as that. You seem to presume that someone who is attracted to children is like a heroin junky with no willpower whatsoever who will tear copper pipes out of someone's home and hock them to get their junk. There's no reason to treat the degree and severity of his attraction as any greater than yours. That image of ALL pedophiles as being unable to control their desires is a propaganda image.
I will admit right now that I've been attracted to post-pubescent but not yet age of legal consent men. In my personal opinion, some of them are probably capable of consent and some aren't. Doesn't matter. I will NEVER fucking act on such an attraction. Not fucking worth risking the potential repercussions. Not interested in getting famous on that show where they set up sting ops with supposed 15 year-olds. I've also been attracted to countless str8 dudes. Never invaded a single space bubble. Don't wanna get punched in the teeth. It ain't that hard for me to resist an attraction. I have no reason to believe his attractions, though bizarre, are any different in that respect.
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So you are advocating the catholic church way of dealing with pedophiles?
No. They ACTED. They were real criminals. Goddamn! All the fucking straw-men in this discussion... Are you still claiming ignorance of the difference between a thought crime and a real crime? Is it that complicated?
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How did Ian react?
I'm just going on John's quote in the gigantic lettering. Just go back a few pages if you missed it.
What do you think his motives are?
I think he's ostracizing someone for starting a witch hunt based on a thought crime.
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I think part of what's fueling your frenzy is a misunderstanding. You have interpreted his admitted attraction to children as a burning and uncontrollable desire that MUST be acted upon. Agreed that it is an unhealthy desire and IF he acted on it, there would be a clear victim but you're jumping to some unjustified conclusions.
No, the problem is that the guy doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to children, or having sexual relations with children. I'm not jumping to any conclusions, he said that shit. No one is disputing that.
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So you are advocating the catholic church way of dealing with pedophiles?
No. They ACTED. They were real criminals. Goddamn!
But what if it was consensual?
All the fucking straw-men in this discussion... Are you still claiming ignorance of the difference between a thought crime and a real crime? Is it that complicated?
A crime requires a victim...right?
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How did Ian react?
I'm just going on John's quote in the gigantic lettering. Just go back a few pages if you missed it.
You know more than that. Keep it a secret if you want.
What town did these people live in?
Who owned the property they lived in?
How did Ian and JJ get involved in this situation?
What do you think his motives are?
I think he's ostracizing someone for starting a witch hunt based on a thought crime.
He is ostracizing someone for free speech?
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No, the problem is that the guy doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to children, or having sexual relations with children. I'm not jumping to any conclusions, he said that shit. No one is disputing that.
Blackie, this is getting fucking tedious. I think you're trolling me and making me repeat things I've already beaten to death in this thread.
That doesn't mean he's going to act on them or that he's even likely to act on them. There are plenty of laws that I completely disagree with and yet I don't violate them because it's not worth the risk. There are plenty of actions people would like to take but don't because bad things are likely to happen to them. The possible repercussions for him acting on his attractions are massive. There is simply no justification for presumptively treating him as guilty based on an unjustified faith that he is likely to one day commit a crime.
There are sneaky pedos out there who actually have access to children close to them. Beware of them if your goal is really to protect your children. This guy is a scapegoat.
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Okay, yes. Blackie is either spectacularly retarded or a troll. I cannot possibly explain it any plainer. I give up.
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No, the problem is that the guy doesn't see anything wrong with his attraction to children, or having sexual relations with children. I'm not jumping to any conclusions, he said that shit. No one is disputing that.
Blackie, this is getting fucking tedious. I think you're trolling me and making me repeat things I've already beaten to death in this thread.
Just because you repeat things over and over again does not mean you have made convincing arguments.
That doesn't mean he's going to act on them or that he's even likely to act on them.
It doesn't matter, he is still a piece of shit to me.
There is simply no justification for presumptively treating him as guilty based on an unjustified faith that he is likely to one day commit a crime.
It doesn't matter if he has commited a crime or not. He is a pedophile, and I will treat him as such.
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Okay, yes. Blackie is either spectacularly retarded or a troll. I cannot possibly explain it any plainer. I give up.
My guess it that you just don't want to answer some easy questions.
You know how Ian and JJ are involved.
You also know the town.
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If someone says to you that they support lynching niggers, and in fact they really are stimulated by the thought of lynching a nigger, would you associate with that person? Would you tell people about it?
If you say that having an idea that lynching niggers is good is not the same as having an idea that fucking kids is good, then that is the source of the disconnect here.
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Fine, I will repeat myself when I've already been clear as crystal and I will tell you that I don't know the things that I've already told you I don't know.
But what if it was consensual?
I don't think it can be in most of those cases. This is not a point of dispute and you know it because I've been very clear on what I take issue with. This point isn't one of them.
A crime requires a victim...right?
Do you disagree?
I'm just going on John's quote in the gigantic lettering. Just go back a few pages if you missed it.
You know more than that. Keep it a secret if you want.[/quote]
I wasn't there when this happened. I didn't take even one single glance at the gossipy thread on FB. I didn't see any good coming out of it and I didn't want anything to do with it. When this shit storm was still going like a week or more later, I finally got curious enough to ask a couple questions of Ian and I've already shared that. I just got the general impression that Summer was distorting things from what he heard first hand and I tend to trust Ian enough to take that much at face value.
What town did these people live in?
Somewhere near Keene. I'm pretty sure they've mentioned it but I didn't commit it to memory because it wasn't that important. There are a number of people who I see at events who's residences I've never been to and I have no idea where they live. I've seen that couple maybe 3 times ever.
Who owned the property they lived in?
I'm fairly confident that no one knows their landlord. Why would they? Pretty sure they weren't renting from anyone I know.
How did Ian and JJ get involved in this situation?
I am under the impression this happened at some social event and they heard the initial exchange but I'm unclear of the details. Either that, or they spoke to Summer and the couple after.
I think he's ostracizing someone for starting a witch hunt based on a thought crime.
He is ostracizing someone for free speech?
I've been through this thoroughly. Page back a little bit.
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Aight, I tried to have a reasonable conversation and now I'm getting attacked.
I'm bowing out, Dale.
For someone who has all these concerns about emotional arguments here's things you've thrown at me, personally, repeatedly -
1. Witch hunt
2. Thought crime
3. Obfuscating
4. Compromising principals
5. Pedo frenzy
6. Gossip
I am not on a witch hunt. I am not supporting the concept of thought crime. I am not obfuscating. I am not compromising my principals. I am not in a "Pedo frenzy", whatever that is. I am not gossiping. I am not making emotionalist arguments.
In this conversation between you and I, Dale, the person who has been calling names and getting angry is you, not me. I have been both calm and ameliorating in my behavior and have repeatedly spoken of and acted toward understanding. (Understanding YOU, not a pedophile.)
I refuse to let you conflate my not caring about the consequences of a bad person's actions with a deliberate act on my part to expose a bad person to harm. It is an unfair characterization and I have repeatedly told you what my actions would be under these circumstances versus what actually happened.
The fact that you are turning this into an ad hominem is fucking bumming me out, man. I deserve more respect than that.
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If someone says to you that they support lynching niggers, and in fact they really are stimulated by the thought of lynching a nigger, would you associate with that person? Would you tell people about it?
If you say that having an idea that lynching niggers is good is not the same as having an idea that fucking kids is good, then that is the source of the disconnect here.
Do you believe there are people in this country who would like to change the law so that homosexuals (like me) would be put to death? I do. Do you think I would like them to be punished for expressing that belief? Well you'd be wrong. I'll counter-speech them left and right and I will also counter-speech these pedophiles about children being able to consent. I cannot, in good conscience, throw them to the wolves when they have not harmed anyone.
Would I choose to ostracize them? Depending on what they said based on really reliable information, such as first-hand straight into my own ears or by multiple accounts from people I trust, if it led me to believe they were really bad people (e.g. nigger lynchers, clear child predators) then I probably would. This whole thing is a gossip fest with very dangerous ramifications for people that I cannot pronounce guilty from what knowledge I have. The crux of my issue is people acting rashly based on gossip.
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I think he's ostracizing someone for starting a witch hunt based on a thought crime.
He is ostracizing someone for free speech?
I've been through this thoroughly. Page back a little bit.
(http://i.imgur.com/V2bIH.jpg)
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A crime requires a victim...right?
Do you disagree?
Kind of. Things like attempted murder. If someone tries to kill me, they fail, and I never even find out about it....it's still a crime.
Who owned the property they lived in?
I'm fairly confident that no one knows their landlord. Why would they? Pretty sure they weren't renting from anyone I know.
How did JJ get in a position to kick Summer out?
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I think he's ostracizing someone for starting a witch hunt based on a thought crime.
He is ostracizing someone for free speech?
I've been through this thoroughly. Page back a little bit.
(http://i.imgur.com/V2bIH.jpg)
I looked again, and confirmed that Ian is ostracizing Summer because of free speech / freedom of the press.
You could have just said yes.
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I'm fairly confident that no one knows their landlord. Why would they? Pretty sure they weren't renting from anyone I know.
How did JJ get in a position to kick Summer out?
First off, I thought you were asking about the landlord of the couple, not Summer's landlord. As for Summer, I am very fuzzy about the details of what happened. If things were getting heated at a social event at the KAC, JJ may have asked her to leave. He's the manager. Was she crashing at the KAC and told to find a different place to stay? I don't know. I have never heard a detailed account of what happened. Didn't particularly want to hear it. Gossip annoys me. If you read the FB thread, you probably know more about such things than I.
Seriously guys, in case it hasn't been made clear, drama and gossip bore and/or annoy me. It's why I hate trolls so much. I just wanna post funny pictures in the Cthulhu thread and occasionally find amusement making str8 guys uncomfortable by being way too open about my gayness. I usually don't have patience for much more than that. This particular rant of unusual length for me is fueled by my anti-gossip inclinations.
I really should just stay out of this thread altogether. Hell, look at the title. I should know better.
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You could have just said yes.
I already had.
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If someone says to you that they support lynching niggers, and in fact they really are stimulated by the thought of lynching a nigger, would you associate with that person? Would you tell people about it?
If you say that having an idea that lynching niggers is good is not the same as having an idea that fucking kids is good, then that is the source of the disconnect here.
Do you believe there are people in this country who would like to change the law so that homosexuals (like me) would be put to death? I do. Do you think I would like them to be punished for expressing that belief? Well you'd be wrong. I'll counter-speech them left and right and I will also counter-speech these pedophiles about children being able to consent. I cannot, in good conscience, throw them to the wolves when they have not harmed anyone.
Would I choose to ostracize them? Depending on what they said based on really reliable information, such as first-hand straight into my own ears or by multiple accounts from people I trust, if it led me to believe they were really bad people (e.g. nigger lynchers, clear child predators) then I probably would. This whole thing is a gossip fest with very dangerous ramifications for people that I cannot pronounce guilty from what knowledge I have. The crux of my issue is people acting rashly based on gossip.
What is the definition of punishment you are working with? Is not associating with someone punishment? Is letting others know about someone's expressed ideas punishment? If so, then I would need to distinguish between that type of punishment and, say, kicking someone in the nuts.
I would hope that you would not want to hang out with homo-killing sympathizers. To do otherwise would be horribly self-deprecating to yourself. I would also hope that you wouldn't go around kicking in the nuts people who have the idea that homo killing is good.
Stripping aside all the gossip, and setting aside the question of whether the young lady was crazy, there appears to be no dispute that there were people who espoused the idea that adult-child sexual exploration is good. There is also hard evidence that individuals in Keene are not willing to denounce that idea and are willing to denounce the act of speaking about specific individuals who do.
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I'm fairly confident that no one knows their landlord. Why would they? Pretty sure they weren't renting from anyone I know.
How did JJ get in a position to kick Summer out?
First off, I thought you were asking about the landlord of the couple, not Summer's landlord.
I am pretty sure they were all living together at first.
Lyndsey realized that i knew about her and Nic's family secret when i confronted him asking if he has ever touched my daughter on her privates..he said no and reassured me that he is not attracted to babies, just little girls. Lyndsey was appalled and very upset that Nic admitted to me that he was a pedophile. I asked if he would schedule a discussion with Wes Bertrand the next night to help him understand what could be wrong with his psychology that he would find the idea of having 'voluntary' sex with children and even his own kids okay. he said yes he would chat with Wes. That is until Lyndsey became very upset with Nic that he wanted to get help because she doesn't believe there is anything wrong with this voluntary sex with young people either. She thinks it's ageism to put a label on what age you can or can't have sex.
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I called jj that night at about two in the morning to find other living arrangements. he came over the next morning and was confirmed by Nic and Lyndsey themselves that what i told him that night about what was going on with them is true. James Schlesinger was not able to knock any more sense into this idea of theirs that it could be very possible that an 8 year old girl could be mature enough and ready for sex may it be with her father or another older male adult. So we left and that was that.
So it looks like Summer called JJ, he came and got her and she moved somewhere else.
As for Summer, I am very fuzzy about the details of what happened. If things were getting heated at a social event at the KAC, JJ may have asked her to leave. He's the manager. Was she crashing at the KAC and told to find a different place to stay? I don't know. I have never heard a detailed account of what happened. Didn't particularly want to hear it. Gossip annoys me. If you read the FB thread, you probably know more about such things than I.
Yeah, she must have been crashing at the KAC. That would make the 2:30AM meeting at the KAC more understandable. And I assume JJ was told to kick Summer out after she re-posted the FB thread.
So now I am wondering about when Summer called the police, did she request that they go to the KAC?
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Aight, I tried to have a reasonable conversation and now I'm getting attacked.
I'm bowing out, Dale.
I am not on a witch hunt. I am not supporting the concept of thought crime. I am not obfuscating. I am not compromising my principals. I am not in a "Pedo frenzy", whatever that is.
John, we are two adults, friends I hope, who have a disagreement and we are talking about it. I am simply engaging you honestly. You tossed out all these things out of context as if they were completely baseless and unsubstantiated points on my part. I'm going to try to demonstrate that I didn't pull any of it out of my ass, but I feel like you're ignoring a lot of things that I went to a great deal of trouble to explain already.
The fact that you are turning this into an ad hominem is fucking bumming me out, man. I deserve more respect than that.
I'm just addressing our disagreements. If you jump to extremely negative conclusions and stir up and validate the same in others about people you've never met based on the rumors of one very emotional person whom you've also never met, in contradiction to every other first-hand account from people you know better than her, I label that a witch hunt based on gossip. The term "witch hunt" is strong, I admit, and I'll address it shortly, but I chose it because it was a good analogy. I don't have more honest vocabulary for describing that. I'm addressing your points directly. That might technically be an ad hominem but it's honest and appropriate.
1. Witch hunt
To be fair, I do see the whole gossipy affair and the general pedo frenzy (I'll quote myself on that below so you guys can stop pretending to not know what I'm referring to) as a witch hunt but I will concede it is a reach to say you yourself are on a witch hunt. I should say that I would just expect you to rise above that and it just doesn't seem like you have. You've kind of peripherally joined in and advocated it.
2. Thought crime
Being a pedophile by its very nature requires someone else to act upon if the temptation or whatever is too strong. I junkie can shoot up and lie in bed with no one getting hurt. A pedophile can't fuck a kid and not fuck a kid at the same time.
I believe we have the same motivations, Dale. I am just not as nice a guy as you are. Fuck bad people. If they are sorry and make damn sure to prove it, then cool. No more fuck them. If they prove over time to continue being bad, then WAAAAAY fuck them. I have a pretty deep well of forgiveness, but it is conditional and not as deep as yours, maybe.
But he says he hasn't "fucked a kid" and we have no evidence to the contrary, but he's a "bad person" and "Fuck bad people." You're passing judgment on someone for a thought crime. What else should I call that?
3. Obfuscating
Lots of points about how pedophilia harms kids, and I agreed. But that's only if he acts on it, which he hasn't. Thus, these repeated points are irrelevant to this situation, and obfuscations, such as
Being a pedophile by its very nature requires someone else to act upon if the temptation or whatever is too strong. I junkie can shoot up and lie in bed with no one getting hurt. A pedophile can't fuck a kid and not fuck a kid at the same time.
A cannot also be non-A.
4. Compromising principals
If you point out where I specifically applied this to you, I'll gladly respond to it. My recollection is that I, speaking for myself, feel that I would be compromising my principles to throw someone to the wolves who is not clearly guilty of harming anyone. I failed to convince you that outing him in a pedo-frenzy culture (coming up) is equivalent to throwing him to the wolves, so it does not conclude that you are violating your principles, i.e. innocent until proven guilty before punishing someone.
5. Pedo frenzy
Somewhere around the 80s the pedo-frenzy started up. We are still living in that culture. People are living under bridges due to sex offender registries that won't let them live within X miles of children. This is probably useless for protecting any children because a real predator probably has the sense not to do it in or near his home. Pedophiles actually have a very low recidivism rate after release from prison, but thanx to propaganda, most people believe the exact opposite. Most successful predators are friends or family who have private access to a child and take advantage of it. They are rarely strangers trolling playgrounds and snatching kids-- another propaganda image that leaves people off-guard to more likely threats. There was a very popular show, To Catch a Predator, which I KNOW you must be familiar with. I've only seen it maybe once or twice but it's been spoofed endlessly on things like South Park. They set up sting ops to catch people planning sex, not with children, but with teens who are just short of the birthday that will make them of legal consensual age. Then the people get lectured, labeled as a pedophiles when they're not, imprisoned, made semi-famous in a really humiliating way, and put on sex offender registries forever. Those aren't children. They're adult enough to consent by MANY people's standards, more so if there isn't much of an age difference.
I don't think "pedo-frenzy" is an exaggeration for all this absurdity and it is absolutely rampant.
6. Gossip
If the girl was lying, someone should have come forward and detailed the entire scuttlebutt the same way she did, and provided multiple sources of conflicting viewpoints and rebutted her point by point.
Note: A scuttlebutt is a RUMOR. That's the word YOU chose.
And for the record...
...You were not there. You don't have the record. You have 2nd-hand out-of-context information from one extremely biased source.
And for the record...
You don't have any business going there. You were not there. You don't have the record. You have 2nd-hand out-of-context information from one extremely biased source.
I am not making emotionalist arguments.
There have been many unsubstantiated points and analogies like comparing someone with an admitted attraction to children as a heroin junky who would do anything and harm anyone for a fix and calling him a bad person when you're getting all your info 2nd-hand and out of context from a questionable source who contradicts the interpretations of a bunch of people whom you know much better than her who also spoke with the parties first-hand.
In this conversation between you and I, Dale, the person who has been calling names and getting angry is you, not me. I have been both calm and ameliorating in my behavior and have repeatedly spoken of and acted toward understanding. (Understanding YOU, not a pedophile.)
Don't try to read so much into my typed word. I'm frustrated, not angry. I feel like my carefully-crafted points are falling on deaf ears. I understand why, to a point. It is the nature of this subject, i.e. the pedo-frenzy that leads us to poor solutions for this problem (meaning pedophilia in general). I just have hopes of libertarians being able to rise above that frenzy and I'm just being disappointed.
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I have made my points. You have made yours.
We both think the other person is ignoring our respective points.
I didn't get nasty with you at all. You got nasty because you are frustrated.
You are the one talking about how bad emotional arguments are.
As I result I walked away from the debate with you. I am not, however, conceding my points.
There is also hard evidence that individuals in Keene are not willing to denounce that idea and are willing to denounce the act of speaking about specific individuals who do.
This.
I've got nothing more to say because I'm not gonna get all mad at you over this. You have, since the beginning of our interaction, been hostile and rather patronizing. You are speaking from an attitude that you assume that you are correct and that you are lecturing a stray child.
Dale, you are wrong. Totally wrong. I've made my points and you responded by asserting that you refuted them without actually refuting them.
You accused me of being responsible for the actions of other people because I used words to convey information. YOU are the one conflating speech with violence.
Dude expressed his pedophile views.
Girl he told it to got worried and told the world.
Period.
That is what happened.
If you don't think that that is okay, and that she should be verbally attacked for doing so, then you will end up looking like a person who is suppressing speech.
I do consider you a friend, Dale. However, you are wrong and I am most assuredly right and I'm not afraid to say so.
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you're getting all your info 2nd-hand and out of context from a questionable source who contradicts the interpretations of a bunch of people whom you know much better than her who also spoke with the parties first-hand.
Why isn't summer's testimony a first-hand account?
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In another post in this thread I asked "wouldn't you rather know who to keep your kids away from?" I don't think anyone answered that.
Here is how you can tell.
(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/pedosmile1.jpg)
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If someone says to you that they support lynching niggers, and in fact they really are stimulated by the thought of lynching a nigger, would you associate with that person? Would you tell people about it?
Are we speaking of a consensual lynching?
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you're getting all your info 2nd-hand and out of context from a questionable source who contradicts the interpretations of a bunch of people whom you know much better than her who also spoke with the parties first-hand.
Why isn't summer's testimony a first-hand account?
Dale just keeps digging a deeper hole.
At this point, it looks like the "Damage Control" is being presented to simply confuse, and hope that everybody eventually forgets about this.
In the meantime, Dale figures that it is appropriate to hammer the reader with lots of NAMBLA propaganda, while insulting the reader by suggesting that "emotionalism" is preventing the reader from not sympathizing with those oh so misunderstood pedos.
The reader is not stupid, Dale...yet you try to make it like the reader is stupid. The reader can see that you have been throwing up red flags like crazy, Dale. How many more posts will you make before absolutely nobody will want to associate with you too?
Even if you are not a pedo, Dale...you obviously are in alliance with them. Who else is in alliance with the pedos, Dale?
You so-called first-hand insiders have offered up nothing but junk in response to what Summer has presented. Did Summer initially try to deal with the "community" before she chose to call the cops, after you guys told her to STFU?
Oh ya...I forgot...you guys aren't talking. So just give us some more NAMBLA propaganda until we finally reach enlightenment.
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Why isn't summer's testimony a first-hand account?
I actually referred to it as a first-hand account in my last post. What's your point?
It's still second-hand information with regard to what he actually said. So are all the other first-hand "accounts". All of it is regurgitated out of context. It's gossip.
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By that standard essentially everything is gossip.
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In another post in this thread I asked "wouldn't you rather know who to keep your kids away from?" I don't think anyone answered that.
Here is how you can tell.
(http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/pedosmile1.jpg)
SCARY FACE IS SCARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! *RUNS*
OH! Hi. :D
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Dale just keeps digging a deeper hole.
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Dale just keeps digging a deeper hole.
MODS! MODS!! INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS THREAD!
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhh ehehehehehehehehe, he said *hole*.
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I would hope that you would not want to hang out with homo-killing sympathizers.
First "nigger-lynchers" and now "homo-killing sympathizers"? Isn't that a ridiculous comparison? Those are clear cases of someone ready and willing to do harm versus someone who has screwed up notions about when consent is possible. You're comparing an overtly violent criminal to a sick person.
There is also hard evidence that individuals in Keene are not willing to denounce that idea and are willing to denounce the act of speaking about specific individuals who do.
I denounce the idea right now. But if you're going to label someone as a bad person for believing that, how do you feel about Ian who has publicly expressed that he believes fairly young people could be capable of consent using the example of himself at 11? Obviously he's still my friend. I thought he was still your friend.
So there are two separate issues here-- a pretty fringe belief that very young people are capable of consent (political views) and the other thing is a bizarre attraction to children (psychology/personality/whatever). I hope you agree by now that you can have an attraction and choose never to act on it, and such a person wouldn't be a bad person just for inclinations that they don't act on. And I hope you don't think Ian is a bad person for having a pretty fringe political/moral belief that the fairly young may be capable of consent. This guy is both, which certainly has a huge creepy factor, but that still doesn't mean he's likely to act on it. I already went into that.
If I sincerely felt that he was likely to act on it, I would definitely feel some kind of action to protect children is called for, possibly up to and including a big public outing even if it meant drawing the wrath of an injust government. I guess even then I wouldn't see him as bad person comparable to someone who actually sets out to harm someone like the analogies you made. I would see someone like that as having a sickness and deluded beliefs that combine to make him dangerous.
But all my information is from gossip.
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Dale just keeps digging a deeper hole.
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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhh ehehehehehehehehe, he said *hole*.
Who are you? Is that you Brigit?
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Dale just keeps digging a deeper hole.
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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhh ehehehehehehehehe, he said *hole*.
Who are you? Is that you Brigit?
No, it's your mother. Dinner's done, dear, time to eat.
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Dale just keeps digging a deeper hole.
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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhh ehehehehehehehehe, he said *hole*.
Who are you? Is that you Brigit?
No, it's your mother. Dinner's done, dear, time to eat.
But, I'm not hungry.
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Dale just keeps digging a deeper hole.
MODS! MODS!! INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS THREAD!
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhh ehehehehehehehehe, he said *hole*.
Who are you? Is that you Brigit?
No, it's your mother. Dinner's done, dear, time to eat.
But, I'm not hungry.
Okay, I'll put it in the fridge ready to be reheated in the oven. :)
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After skimming the misinformation in this thread, I thought some clarification was in order, since no one here was as close to the situation as was I. Here's the rundown:
Nik and Lyndsey moved in to NH in December and moved out to some farm house in a nearby town. Summer moved in a couple months later. They had all been talking together for a while online prior to this. After they had lived together for about ten days, a detailed conversation happened between Nik and Summer regarding raising children and exploration of sexuality on the child's part and how parents should handle that. The story that John described as playing with his cock was not sexual nor playing - it was a 2-year-old touching his dad's penis in the shower and saying "pee pee". That is all. Nik's point in relating the story was that he didn't feel that a parent should react negatively to that and pull away and say no, for instance. It's an entirely innocent and natural thing for a child to do. He was not fucking his son or touching his son or having his son masturbate him, or doing anything sexual.
This conversation led Summer to inquire with Nik about how he felt about kids and sex. He admitted he is attracted to pre-pubescant children at approximately age 8. She then moved out of their home and into JJ's home, which he graciously offered her and assisted her with the move. She told Nik that she would not go to CPS.
She also informed the other liberty families in the area via email, facebook message, and phone calls about the predilection that Nik has. I think this was the right thing to do.
Then, she did wrong and posted the information publicly on facebook, exposing them to death threats and the threat of CPS.
Nik and Lyndsey wanted to meet with Summer at the KAC at about 2 in the morning as they were scared she was going to CPS and they wanted assurance she would not. JJ, myself, Jason, and Hunter attended to witness. Summer is a devotee of Wes Bertrand and she wanted to have Wes talk to Nik and Lyndsey. (I guess she thought that they would change their opinions, or something.) So we get Wes on Skype and a lengthy conversation ensues, where right out the gate Wes agrees with JJ and I that it was wrong for Summer to post this info to facebook. Summer finally agrees to remove the post. Wes discusses the issue of children and sexuality with the parties and after what may have been a two hour conversation, it becomes clear that not much is going to be accomplished. Nik and Lyndsey leave NH.
Summer and JJ and I remain and continue discussing. Summer is convinced that Nik and Lyndsey are child molesters. I explain to her that I saw no evidence of that, but that even if she is correct and they are, then look what she has done:
By publicly posting about them, she ran them out of a community of people who are concerned and care, and now they are hiding somewhere around people who DON'T know about Nik's predilections. Plus Nik learned his lesson about opening up to people about this issue, so now wherever they are, NO ONE KNOWS. Whereas, had she used discretion and only privately informed people, everyone would have known and could have adjusted their interactions with them appropriately. (Like not allowing their kids alone with him.)
It took a while, but she broke down at one point, and sent them an apology and promised she would not call CPS. We hugged her and everyone went home.
Two days later she had reposted her note to facebook and was talking openly of how regretful she was that she did not call CPS.
She broke her agreement. She lied. She advocated aggression against peaceful people.
Plus, she is crazy, according to JJ's experience with her. He wanted her out at that point. He did not kick her out of his house; he asked her to leave. She could have stayed the night, and she had a ride out to wherever - JJ would have provided it, but she felt the need to call the cops, because clearly that is her solution to her problems. The cops immediately took JJ's side, because it was clear to them how crazy she is. Shaunna will also confirm her as crazy. Shaunna is JJ's roommate. JJ drove her to a hotel with the police escorting the drive.
She then left town and left New Hampshire shortly thereafter.
So, I hope that helps. This woman was ostracized not because she outed someone attracted to children, but because she turned to aggression, lied, and broke her word. Oh, and she also talked trash about people behind their backs, sowing seeds of distrust within this community.
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After skimming the misinformation in this thread,
Well...
Actually, no.
Apart from how people have received and interpreted things, pretty much everything said in this thread has been accurate, Ian. Your story lines up almost perfectly with hers, apart from interpretation.
Reread and don't skim this time and you'll see what I'm saying.
We can debate the definition of "Playing" or whatever, but it seems like Summer described all of the exact same things you just did.
Your beef appears to be that she changed her mind about how to deal with someone she thought was bad without consulting you? That was somehow a breach of contract?
Then, she did wrong and posted the information publicly on facebook, exposing them to death threats and the threat of CPS.
Yeah, this is where a disconnect happens. She didn't contact CPS, right? She didn't threaten them with death, right?
<<<Trying to get this straight.
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By this logic, I shouldn't inform certain people that a person is a conman for fear that the police may get wind of it and investigate? I'm sorry, but this is where the whole potential vs actual happens to meet this issue. And for me, it's possible that CPS may get involved, but only if those involved already want CPS to be so. If a random nosy neighbor calls CPS, that sorta is the problem of said nosy neighbor, but if it's between people who know CPS is more trouble than its worth and they themselves don't contact CPS, then what's the problem? Ian, seriously, you need to parse context in this matter and not a false sense of adhering to 'principle'.
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Can't we all just agree that wanting to fuck 8 year olds is bad....
Discussion over.
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Can't we all just agree that wanting to fuck 8 year olds is bad....
Discussion over.
Who is this wIAN, hmmm? :D
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I would hope that you would not want to hang out with homo-killing sympathizers.
First "nigger-lynchers" and now "homo-killing sympathizers"? Isn't that a ridiculous comparison? Those are clear cases of someone ready and willing to do harm versus someone who has screwed up notions about when consent is possible. You're comparing an overtly violent criminal to a sick person.
There is also hard evidence that individuals in Keene are not willing to denounce that idea and are willing to denounce the act of speaking about specific individuals who do.
I denounce the idea right now. But if you're going to label someone as a bad person for believing that, how do you feel about Ian who has publicly expressed that he believes fairly young people could be capable of consent using the example of himself at 11? Obviously he's still my friend. I thought he was still your friend.
So there are two separate issues here-- a pretty fringe belief that very young people are capable of consent (political views) and the other thing is a bizarre attraction to children (psychology/personality/whatever). I hope you agree by now that you can have an attraction and choose never to act on it, and such a person wouldn't be a bad person just for inclinations that they don't act on. And I hope you don't think Ian is a bad person for having a pretty fringe political/moral belief that the fairly young may be capable of consent. This guy is both, which certainly has a huge creepy factor, but that still doesn't mean he's likely to act on it. I already went into that.
If I sincerely felt that he was likely to act on it, I would definitely feel some kind of action to protect children is called for, possibly up to and including a big public outing even if it meant drawing the wrath of an injust government. I guess even then I wouldn't see him as bad person comparable to someone who actually sets out to harm someone like the analogies you made. I would see someone like that as having a sickness and deluded beliefs that combine to make him dangerous.
But all my information is from gossip.
And once again, the issue has nothing to do with the personal preferences we are born with or have inflicted upon us through experience. I don't care whether you masturbate to children or kidnapped amputees. The issue is whether you espouse the behavior as BEING GOOD AND MORAL TO ENGAGE IN.
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I've got no idea what the situation is in NH, but in some places there's a pretty good chance you'd get yourself in major trouble for not outing someone in that situation. I'd certainly get legal advice in that situation. And I sure wouldn't be risking myself for them.
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Well, at the very MAXIMUM, you could argue that someone is pretty stupid and/or naive for thinking they could talk about something of that nature in a public forum on the internet and not have it find its way to the douches in govt. I mean come on, think a little.
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And once again, the issue has nothing to do with the personal preferences we are born with or have inflicted upon us through experience. I don't care whether you masturbate to children or kidnapped amputees. The issue is whether you espouse the behavior as BEING GOOD AND MORAL TO ENGAGE IN.
Well my point is it's not that black and white. If someone just says "8 year-old can consent" then yeah, I would agree. That's fucked up. I didn't hear what he said exactly or in context.
But consider this. Ian said on the radio that he gave BJs for video games when he was around 11, though this was a teen and not quite an adult. He says he felt he was able to consent to that act at that time. My eyes almost popped out of my head. Or rather, my ears almost... whatever. That sounds really young to me. Had I been an adult at that time who knew about this, I'd want it investigated, no doubt. But after thinking about it for a long time, who gets to decide that question better than adult Ian in retrospect? You never answered me about how you feel about Ian. Is he still your friend?
On the other hand, I realized beyond a doubt that I was gay at 13, had gone through puberty, was horny as three bulls combined and was fantasizing about older men a LOT (I'm fairly confident that in the first few years after puberty, if you don't ejaculate at least 3 times a day, preferably more, your testicles will explode), and lonely like I can't even begin to describe as a closeted teen in the early 80s (things were differnt... k? It SUCKED.) I didn't know shit about AIDS. I didn't know shit about relationships. I was a bundle of ignorance and insecurities that made for a potential ticking time bomb of life-long fucked-upedness. Had an unscrupulous older man gotten the right opportunity, I think he could fucked me up in countless ways-- emotionally-- he could have fucked me a few times and left me and I prolly would have been devastated and who knows what lingering relationship and trust issues I'd have for years, also physically with STDs, easily leading to a very early death at that time. By the time I was 16 (legal age of consent in NH), I hadn't changed all that much. Had I been female, there'd be possible unwanted pregnancy.
By the time I was about 19, I now feel in retrospect that I finally had my head screwed on reasonably tight. I was coming out, dating, getting educated about AIDS and other STDs and how to protect myself. I was still kinda fucked up at 18 and I'm not sure I would have felt fully able to consent properly even then, but I understand we have to say "sink or swim" at some point barring mental illness or some such. My personal experience makes me want to err heavily on the side of protecting children and presuming they are unable to consent. It's hard for me to picture an adult wanting to have sex with a really young person (not just children but really young teens) who doesn't have really selfish motives and little regard for the effect it will have on the child, though he may talk himself into believing otherwise. I hope we will one day live in a world where we have socially evolved to where it is commonplace for someone to have matured and be a real adult by the time they're a biological adult, but I don't feel that we are anywhere near that point. We still live in a culture that perpetuates childhood and purposefully postpones the knowledge and maturity required to properly consent.
In short, I don't think it's at all black and white.
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Gonna jump in - Actually Dale, I agree on this point to a great degree and already made a post about it several pages back. Here's the post -
Does a smarter person have a better standard?
I dunno if I'm smarter, but here would be some good guidelines -
When someone should have sex -
1. The body (Both brain and endocrine system) are capable of performing the act. That means post pubescent. Brain isn't even done cooking yet before then. Pubescence IS sexual maturity, by nature. Sex before that time cannot end in sexual release, and serves no purpose to the prepubescent either physically (Can't get pregnant) or emotionally. (No hormone dumps yet.) ADDED - Consent to a sexual act must necessarily require physical sexual maturity of the brain, otherwise the brain can't consent with aforethought.
2. BOTH parties involved in sex must be capable of financially and emotionally supporting the existence of another human being (A child) apart from themselves ALONE, without the sexual partner in the picture.
3. There are dozens of reasons why incest is bad. Genetics, abuse of power, (You can't be the primary caregiver and authority over a child and claim that their ability to consent, and likelihood to consent wouldn't be bent toward satisfying the desires of said ultimate authority figure.) social stigma, physical damage (I'd hate to even speculate what damage a 200 pound adult male with an 8 inch penis could do to a child's vagina or anus.)
That would be my bare minimum. BARE MINIMUM. My default answer without debate would have been unrelated genetically (And let's not fuck around, unadopted as well. I'm irritated that I even have to say this.) and 16 or so, maybe 20 or 30 years ago, but nowadays I'd semi jokingly say 25. Having a not overrun credit account might also be a good indicator.
Personally, I think any woman under 25 is fucking insane and should never get closer than Tazer range outside of a group activity.
None of this accounts for people of the same age. Two twelve year olds wanna play "Hot Dog In Bun" there's not much you can do about it apart from explain why it's a bad idea. Of course, they're already fucking idiots full of fuck hormones, so likely they won't listen. Keep them physically separated and well educated and hope for the best.
You don't fuck prepubes. I don't fuck anyone but my wife.
However, I don't think that this is a gray area at all. This is a case by case scenario, surely, but it is totally black and white. A prepube can't properly consent to a sexual act, even if they say "Yes" when wheedled/begged/convinced/intimidated/brainwashed into it.
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I did more than skim, actually, and there was all kinds of misinfo.
Your beef appears to be that she changed her mind about how to deal with someone she thought was bad without consulting you? That was somehow a breach of contract?
No, my beef was she promised she'd remove her post and keep to spreading the word to other people privately, not publicly. Then she broke her word. Plus she talked trash behind peoples' backs, sowing seeds of dissent within the community. Plus she called the cops on JJ.
Then, she did wrong and posted the information publicly on facebook, exposing them to death threats and the threat of CPS.
Yeah, this is where a disconnect happens. She didn't contact CPS, right? She didn't threaten them with death, right?
<<<Trying to get this straight.
That's correct, but she wished publicly that she had called CPS. Her action of publishing the info to her 1,000 "friends" on facebook resulted in death threats to both Nik and Lyndsey and to me as well.
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However, I don't think that this is a gray area at all. This is a case by case scenario, surely, but it is totally black and white. A prepube can't properly consent to a sexual act, even if they say "Yes" when wheedled/begged/convinced/intimidated/brainwashed into it.
You don't get to tell me what I can't do. I consented at age six with another boy my age, and again at age 10-11ish with a 16 year old.
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I think Dale's posts here are spot-on.
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you go Ian!
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You don't get to tell me what I can't do. I consented at age six with another boy my age, and again at age 10-11ish with a 16 year old.
I didn't. As a matter of fact I specifically mentioned people of the same and near the same age in my last post. Also as a matter of fact, the post YOU JUST QUOTED.
None of this accounts for people of the same age. Two twelve year olds wanna play "Hot Dog In Bun" there's not much you can do about it apart from explain why it's a bad idea. Of course, they're already fucking idiots full of fuck hormones, so likely they won't listen. Keep them physically separated and well educated and hope for the best.
But you weren't just skimming...
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That's correct, but she wished publicly that she had called CPS.
But she didn't.
And this nik guy wished publicly that people were more accepting about fucking kids did he not?
But he hasn't fucked kids, right? So no harm, right?
You can't have it both ways, man.
EDIT: And for maybe the tenth time here I'm gonna reiterate this because people have fucking rocks in their ears - Stop conflating Summer's actions with what I would do.
I've stated repeatedly what actions I would have taken and clarified how they are different from hers.
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drink a few beers
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drink a few beers
I don't drink and I have no idea what that post even means.
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means calm down
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means calm down
???
I'm the only person who IS calm, here.
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seem tense to me...
dead horse and all that..
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seem tense to me...
Whatever. I have clearly and repeatedly stated what my views are and they are repeatedly being distorted.
I have been calm and rational, and disagreeing. The response has been hostile and interrogatory. I have been accused of purveying misinformation (That means being called a goddamned liar.) and I won't stand by and let a crapflood bury my points and lead people to think that I am and have been saying things that I have not.
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As a father, and since I was molested at age 13 by my stepfather, I appreciate your passion on this John! I think Dale and you are coming at it from different perspectives.
I know he doesn't condone pedophillia, he just doesn't like everyone jumping to a conclusion about it without knowing all the facts.
You are so passionate you will gladly get it going with most of the facts - understandable!
We're all cool!
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I know he doesn't condone pedophillia,
Of course he doesn't. I never suggested he did.
We're all cool!
Tell that to the people who have questioned my principals.
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I know he doesn't condone pedophillia,
Of course he doesn't. I never suggested he did.
We're all cool!
Tell that to the people who have questioned my principals.
any of you fuckers that have even -thought- about questioning Shaw's principles, well, you shouldn't!
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I know he doesn't condone pedophillia,
Of course he doesn't. I never suggested he did.
We're all cool!
Tell that to the people who have questioned my principals.
any of you fuckers that have even -thought- about questioning Shaw's principles, well, you shouldn't! Just listen to his Rape audio - cool! rape cages and shit? he understands..
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However, I don't think that this is a gray area at all. This is a case by case scenario, surely, but it is totally black and white. A prepube can't properly consent to a sexual act, even if they say "Yes" when wheedled/begged/convinced/intimidated/brainwashed into it.
You don't get to tell me what I can't do. I consented at age six with another boy my age, and again at age 10-11ish with a 16 year old.
Children can do whatever they want. It is the adult's responsibility to at the very least not act in a manner that would cause harm to the child.
"No, I will not buy you a cart of Oreos."
"No, I will not give you my crack to smoke."
"No, I will not put my cock in your asshole."
"No, I will not let you juggle my chainsaws."
"No, I will not cover you in lighter fluid and set you on fire."
"Well, he really wanted it" is not an excuse for abusing children.
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My own experiences with child abuse are a bit second hand ish. I have been able to pass for a adult since I was 13 or so, so this could be the reason.
I knew a girl who was diddled by a uncle I think, to be fair she seemed fine as a adult.
My best Friend in high school had a brother who had inappropriate relations with his niece, everyone in the family rallied against him and he went to prison.
Lastly my Dad had a friend who committed suicide after being accused of fucking a classmate of mine who he was fostering for. The kid would have been 15-16. I don't know if it was true or not. I do know the kid was trying to blackmail him.
My sister almost got her ass thrown to the curb when I said simply that there should be physical evidence before someone could be accused of being a pedo. She said the accusation was enough, even from vengeful ex-wives, and my calling her a evil fucking bitch did not change her opinion.
Having been married twice I do know woman can be unreasonable and crazy, especially young ones. I want to believe that Ian, JJ et all did the best they could out of a bad situation, and I do understand that hysterical women are no fun to deal with. However I agree fully with what I'll call the Shaw standards of what is OK and what is not. Kids are easily manipulated and taken advantage of, they shouldn't be fraternised by adults.
These are two separate arguments that got gummed together unfortunately.
I disagree with Ian's opinion about concent of a minor period. Not only for the child's protection but the pedophiles as well. The NAMBLA propaganda is bullshit.
People who disagree with me have every right to live there lives and they should be free to say what they think. No violation of the NAP, none of my business.
Thank you for being honest with me sir. I am glad you don't act on it. Kids, stay away from this guy.
Summer was unreasonable, I wish every body could see why she was so scared though, young mother with few friends who suddenly feels surround by enemies and all that. But I always forgive young people, I think they are dumbasses, who don't know how dumb they are. I also know dealing with hysterical woman gets old fast. I still wish one of the free staters would start some sort of arbitration firm so there would have been something Summer could have done.
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Thank you for being honest with me sir. I am glad you don't act on it. Kids, stay away from this guy.
There ya go. Simple.
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meth...................AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAamphetamine.............................................
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p3do getting boring.
New dllama please
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p3do getting boring.
New dllama please
I couldn't penetrate the wall o' text, and was thankful to at least get Ian's summary.
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p3do getting boring.
New dllama please
I couldn't penetrate the wall o' text, and was thankful to at least get Ian's summary.
If I could wholesale delete a thread, it would be this one.
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p3do getting boring.
New dllama please
I couldn't penetrate the wall o' text, and was thankful to at least get Ian's summary.
If I could wholesale delete a thread, it would be this one.
Couldn't agree more.
Talk about a thread that destroys any interest in actually moving to NH and participating in any FSP activism there.
Honestly I do want to move to NH, but the more of this kind of shit I read the less I want to be associated at all with the FSP. Unlike some other attention seekers, I DON'T want to be drawing tons of attention to myself; painting a giant target on my chest for the authorities to zero in on. I just want to be more free. And spending a month in jail is definitely not more free. Getting harrassed by angry bureaucrats because they have associated me with their opposition does not make me more free.
I guess I'm more of a Denis Godard type of guy, than an Ian Bernard type of guy. I still like the show and dig this forum though.
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Attention Fellow FSP Participants, Pre-Staters, Fellow-Travelers, Porcupines of all flavors, etc.
If you encounter a situation which is not immediately life threatening to yourself or others, and it is a situation in which you might otherwise have reported something or someone to the "authorities"--be it the Police, CPS, DEA, FBI, DHS, CIA, NSA, the Zoning Commission, the Planning Board, whatever; and you are unsure or concerned about what you should do, please do the following:
1) Stop, take a breath, and think.
2) Don't allow yourself to get pulled into an argument.
3) Do not immediately post it on FaceBook or other internet forum.
4) Call me (603.340.6654) or someone else in the Porcupine Community you know and trust, and present me (or them) with a brief sketch of the situation.
5) Discuss your options, get some perspective, and have all your "ducks in a row" as it were.
6) Then, and only then, decide on your course of action.
Again, this is in cases in which there is not immediate and life-threatening danger to you or someone else.
If there is a fire, call the Fire Department. Yes, I know they're statist, but they're presently the only viable option.
If there is a medical emergency, call the ambulance/paramedics.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT CALL THE POLICE UNLESS THERE IS EFFECTIVELY NO OTHER OPTION TO PREVENT DEATH OR EXTREME INJURY!
Hopefully, Porcupine 911 will be established soon, and a lot of this stuff can be handled by live operators who can get you assistance. Until that time, and in the absence of other individuals and/or services, I am available for emergencies 24/7--I don't sleep much, I'm not a partier, and I am trained and experienced at dealing with all manner of situations. For example:
I am certified in Wilderness First Aid, CPR/AED, etc.
I am a 10 year veteran of the US Army.
I am a trained Mediator (that's Non-Coercive Conflict Resolution), and have been practicing for 8 years.
I have spent the past 5 years working with "at risk" children in NH.
I am trained in Criminal and Counter-Intelligence Investigation.
I am trained in Interviewing and Interrogation, and have studied Body Language and Micro-Expressions extensively.
I've been a firearms instructor for over 20 years.
I am a trained Counselor.
I've been involved in the Liberty Movement since 1996, I joined the FSP in 2003, and I moved to NH in 2006.
I deal well with emergencies, and have had enough of them in my life that very little phases me.
Therefore, chances are I can assist you, advise you, or direct you to someone within the community who can. If I don't know someone within the community who can assist, chances are I know someone outside the community who can safely assist you.
Please at least consider this option before you get dragged into escalating drama, post stuff on FB, or call the Government Agents. This will make sure that the FSP is not harmed by things unrelated to it's sole purpose (i.e. getting good pro-liberty folks to NH), and will also prevent the escalations and serious drama which seem to be cropping up as of late. I suspect folks will be a lot happier all around, and I can promise you I'll do my very best to ensure your concerns are addressed to your satisfaction.
Initial consultations are free. Matters discussed are confidential unless and until I tell you otherwise explicitly.
Mike Ruff
LFOD Services
603.340.6654
ancapagency@yahoo.com
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You don't get to tell me what I can't do. I consented at age six with another boy my age, and again at age 10-11ish with a 16 year old.
I didn't. As a matter of fact I specifically mentioned people of the same and near the same age in my last post. Also as a matter of fact, the post YOU JUST QUOTED.
Clearly I am confused. Didn't you say this?
A prepube can't properly consent to a sexual act, even if they say "Yes" when wheedled/begged/convinced/intimidated/brainwashed into it.
That's telling me what I can't do. You are saying I couldn't do what I did, "properly". I may not have been fully informed, but I did consent and you can't take that away from me.
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However, I don't think that this is a gray area at all. This is a case by case scenario, surely, but it is totally black and white. A prepube can't properly consent to a sexual act, even if they say "Yes" when wheedled/begged/convinced/intimidated/brainwashed into it.
You don't get to tell me what I can't do. I consented at age six with another boy my age, and again at age 10-11ish with a 16 year old.
Children can do whatever they want. It is the adult's responsibility to at the very least not act in a manner that would cause harm to the child.
"No, I will not buy you a cart of Oreos."
"No, I will not give you my crack to smoke."
"No, I will not put my cock in your asshole."
"No, I will not let you juggle my chainsaws."
"No, I will not cover you in lighter fluid and set you on fire."
"Well, he really wanted it" is not an excuse for abusing children.
I gotcha. Was the 16 year old an adult? Did he harm me? I feel fine.
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That's correct, but she wished publicly that she had called CPS.
But she didn't.
And this nik guy wished publicly that people were more accepting about fucking kids did he not?
But he hasn't fucked kids, right? So no harm, right?
You can't have it both ways, man.
Really, I have no idea what you are trying to say here. I never heard him talk about fucking kids, so no, he did not wish anything like that.
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John, that big text summary of your guidelines is nigh perfect IMHO and once again I feel that you and I disagree far less than may seem and more likely we have some sort of significant communication gap.
Tell that to the people who have questioned my principals.
I've been having a nice chat with Mike Ruff about effective communication on extremely tense subjects like this one and it just makes me wish that people had gotten him involved early on. In terms of private arbitration potential, my personal opinion is he's one of the best options available for that right now of the people I know. He has written a paper/article/whatever called "The Walking Wounded" which I feel is particularly relevant to why you feel I've attacked you and I feel responsible for making you feel that way to some extent for not having expressed myself in the best possible way. I'm going to try to address that.
I've frequently talked about what I just recently dubbed the "pedo frenzy". It blows my mind that people haven't acknowledged what I'm talking about, but I accept your sincerity that you don't agree. I honestly believe (but have failed to convince others) that the accusation of child molestion EQUALS the conviction for child molestation. And so IN MY MIND, if you VERY publicly point to someone and hint that they MAY be a danger to children, you've "thrown them to the wolves". These are all things that I've said and I admit that there is strong language there. But here's the thing. Now, if I say that I feel like I'M violating a deeply-held principle such as not convicting an innocent person and needing to be very confident of their guilt first, then it is understandable, since we share that principle, for you to interpret that as YOU are violating this principle. Here's the thing. I haven't convinced you to believe in the "pedo frenzy". I haven't convinced you that an accusation is equivalent to a conviction. That's my problem. When I said I am simply frustrated (and you feel the same way for the same reasons), that's all it is. I'm disagreeing with you, but I am saying to you right now with all sincerity that I do not feel you are violating your principles. I believe you are doing your best to do the right thing just as I am.
I've also done a lot of social-analyzing which is very dangerous because it can be interpreted as more personal psycho-analysis which also can feel like an attack. There is a pervasive culture of a witch hunt surrounding this subject where there is tremendous social pressure to pick the witch hunt side for a VERY VALID fear that you will be convicted of being a witch if you don't-- exactly what Richard did to me which I have considered unworthy of a response up to this point but it serves as such a perfect example. Thank you for that, Richard. So on my side, the attempt is to suggest that I'm cutting you a lot of slack for being so vigilant toward the potential pedo-offender. It's completely understandable to interpret that as an accusation that you're joining the witch hunt. I'm sure that, in my frustration for getting my point across, that I contributed to that misinterpretation. I take responsibility for that. I've said things like "John, I KNOW your'e a good person. You don't have to prove anything to me. YOU can rise above this culture of pedo frenzy and see this more objectively". That was MEANT to be incredibly respectful and reflective of the kind of person you are in my eyes, but it comes across as accusatory, particularly because I have simply failed to convince you that the "pedo frenzy" even exists at all, i.e. the very broadly accepted guilty-until-proven-innocent attitude on this subject.
I also feel the need to clarify something. I've referred several times to "erring on the side of protecting children" and I can just anticipate all kinds of reading shit into that. Like "OF COURSE we should err on the side of protecting children! That's what the rest of us are trying to do, dumbass!" The point is, what we have to weigh this against is potential judgment and SERIOUS harm to innocent people. (I believe, but have failed to convince others that) It happens ALL THE TIME with regard to this subject. Alaric gave excellent examples simply from his own anecdotal experiences. I know I've failed to convince people of that. I'm just repeating it so you understand where I'm coming from and the POV I'm speaking from.
So when I say that I wouldn't likely respond the way Ian did toward Summer but I understand it and have kind of defended him, that's incredibly reflective of what you're saying with regard to Summer's actions! We are so much more in agreement that I think either of us has realized to this point. You're saying cut Summer some slack (I absolutely do, btw), and I'm saying cut Ian a little slack. I'm trying to get people to calm down all this drama. This is a very challenging task. It's a hot, hot subject.
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Dale, how was my response to Summer inappropriate?
She flew off the handle about Nik and Lyndsey. I responded by helping bring the parties together, encouraged her to remove the public post, stayed through the meeting, talked extensively with her afterwards, gave her a couple of hugs. Everything seemed fine.
Then she broke her word and started telling lies about people, like me, behind my back. Why? Presumably because I would not join her witch hunt. Therefore I must be a bad man. I decided at this point that I no longer wanted this dramatic person in my home or at the KAC. She was on a warpath to destroy good relationships.
With what part of my response to Summer do you disagree?
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I gotcha. Was the 16 year old an adult? Did he harm me? I feel fine.
How about we all consider a possible breakdown in communication with regards to this particular incident. How about we accept, simply for the sake of argument, that you were able to consent to this VERY SPECIFIC act in this case just as adult-Ian-in-retrospect has stated.
Now, can we also consider, for the sake of honest communication, that maybe he shouldn't have asked you to do this in the first place. MAYBE he, in his poor judgment as a 16-year-old in a culture that keeps people socially immature, could have harmed a different 11-year-old than you who wasn't as well-adjusted and mature as you happened to be.
So let's consider something other than two choices:
1) Children can consent so fuck kids as long as they say it's okay
2) Nail the 16-year-old to a cross, e.g. He's sick, he's a criminal, he needs to get juvenile detention, tried as an adult, sex offender registry FOR LIFE, etc. and so on.
Just as a for instance for the sake of clarifying where all this mis-communication comes from, consider one possible 3rd option (of so many choices):
3) How about we try really hard to ensure that he understands why he shouldn't do it again and give him a 2nd chance to be a good person.
Yeah, I know. I'm a pedo. I give up.
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I have to go to the grocery store.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNC0kIzM1Fo[/youtube]
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNC0kIzM1Fo[/youtube]
Ew.
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Dale, how was my response to Summer inappropriate?
I'm trying to de-escalate the conflict by using less confrontational language. You're putting words in my mouth. I said I would likely not have responded the same way. I didn't even say that I wouldn't have necessarily responded in exactly the same way. I WASN'T THERE. I don't feel qualified to judge your decisions.
With what part of my response to Summer do you disagree?
I am acknowledging the possibility, given my extremely limited knowledge of all the details and my lack of ability to predict all possible outcomes since I'm something short of a deity, that things could have turned out better for all involved, less drama, etc. had you cut her even more slack on top of the considerable patience already demonstrated given that she's young, a new mom, is terrified something bad could happen to her kid or other kids whom she has incredible empathy for because she's a mom, grew up in the irrational pedo-frenzy culture that we all did, etc.
Everyone feels like there are two very clear sides to this incident and I think the reality is we're all imperfect bundles of adrenaline, fear, etc. that causes us to be a bit reactive and less robotically logical perfect decision-makers.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNC0kIzM1Fo[/youtube]
Ew.
Ah, Tom Jones fan.
Sorry bout that old chap.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-VGDF4y18[/youtube]
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Sorry Dale, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. It sounded like you might have a suggestion as to how I could have handled it better - I'm certainly open to that.
I attempted to deescalate the conflict. It appeared to work. At least until Summer talked to her brother the next day, who was the primary source of her encouragement to snitch to CPS. Pretty much it seemed that Summer would swing toward whomever she spoke with. When she talked with Wes, she was sorry she'd considered calling CPS. When she talked with her brother, she became sorry she didn't call CPS.
When she escalated the situation with leaving JJ's by calling the police, I was done trying to mediate or make things better. At that point, this woman was clearly trouble and needed to go.
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Unlike previous drama-causing movers who made poor choices that I was willing to forgive, no one had ever threatened to or actually called the police besides Summer. That set her into a category of people that I'm not interested in having associated with me. That's not to say she shouldn't be forgiven, but until she changes her mind about going to the cops to solve her problems, I do not wish to be near her.
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*COUGH* Beth *COUGH*
EDIT: Aight, it was horse police, but still...
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@Dale
I think we cool.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZ7mTL4jRY&feature=related[/youtube]
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*COUGH* Beth *COUGH*
EDIT: Aight, it was horse police, but still...
Thanks, that I had totally forgotten. It's the first person in the Keene area, though.
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world's full of them crazy bitches!
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There is a pervasive culture of a witch hunt surrounding this subject where there is tremendous social pressure to pick the witch hunt side for a VERY VALID fear that you will be convicted of being a witch if you don't-- exactly what Richard did to me which I have considered unworthy of a response up to this point but it serves as such a perfect example. Thank you for that, Richard.
The BBS has dealt with the pedo thing and jail bait and age of consent debate thing on many occasions. The difference here is that you thought this was the best time to make some converts with all yer NAMBLA propaganda, in the midst of a shit storm.
People are looking for information in regards to this pedo and wife team, and the way FSP types have handled this situation...and not so much interested in yer bullshit NAMBLA propaganda and having to hear your opinion that this "pedo frenzy" is a result of a "socially immature" culture.....and how it all "blows your mind" that we just can't "get it".
Oh....we "get it", Dale. Maybe you are the one that doesn't "get it".
If you were to make a poll, I'm pretty sure that those of us who are not being pedo-friendly are doing so cuz we are afraid of being called a "witch". Maybe we really do not like the pedos and pedo-friends.
And to suggest that if a pedo has not committed the "act", that these pedos should be allowed to relax is nonsense. How do you know this Nik guy never committed the "act"? Just cuz he told you he didn't, and you think pedos are super honest good dudes, and believe them? Even if the pedo has not committed the "act" ...it is still good to know who the pedo is, not only for your child's sake, but for all the other folks out there.
Dale's NAMBLA propaganda aside, the pedo ain't yer buddy or yer pal. The pedo is a fiend who has nothing else better to do than to work his way towards sexual predator status. There is no need to have a victim so that we can say that the pedo has "acted". Are you going to wait for your child or somebody's child to get victimized just so you can say: OK....the pedo has now "acted".
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shut your pie hole.
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*COUGH* Beth *COUGH*
EDIT: Aight, it was horse police, but still...
Thanks, that I had totally forgotten. It's the first person in the Keene area, though.
All good. Was a while ago also and I was just sorta busting yer chops.
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shut your pie hole.
I get the sense that Dale wants to get the last word on this, but I am not having it.
Come on you guyz....Dale is looking for support! Now is the time to show yer support for the pedos who are really just a bunch of good guys, who have wrongfully been misrepresented in the media....and stuff like that. Come on out and show some Pedo Pride! You pedos need to come out and say you are not going to take this oppression anymore, and speak on behalf of all the children you want to have sex with, and let everybody know that it is "harmless".
The society needs edumacation!!! The pedos need to edumacate everybody...cuz otherwise this oppression will not stop!
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I get the sense that Dale wants to get the last word on this, but I am not having it.
Word.
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Part of what is amazing to me is the difference in how Russell/Kat were treated when they publicly "outted" someone they thought may be a pedophile, and how Summer was treated when she publicly "outted" someone who admitted to being a pedophile.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.msg325847#msg325847
I found this quote from Dale to be pretty funny:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.60
Over time, I've learned to trust my gut about people (Women have feminine intuition. Guys have gut feelings. They're essentially the same thing.) It has served me well. I suspect Kat was experiencing intuition that cannot be conveyed with a description of the facts. She's already apologized for the bat thing, which she feels was an over-reaction. Other than that, it just seems like sensible precautions were taken. I think Maineshark's points are good-- be cautious with your kids but I don't feel inclined to ostracize him over this. I trust Kat's intuition for justifying her decision but would not carry it further without something more substantial.
So I guess Dale thinks it is a "sensible precaution" for Kat and Russell to start a pedo-frenzy based on intuition, but is not ok for Summer to do the same thing when she has substantial evidence that someone is a pedo.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.msg325967#msg325967
Ethan:
After talking to Jason Talley, he thought I should make it absolutely clear that no, I do not have sexual feelings towards children.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.msg326067#msg326067
Dalebert:
Only that it's to be expected that you will have so-called "drama" when you have such instant electronic communication about everything going on in people's lives and amongst people with a lot of differences in views. I've learned that trying to control it for whatever reason (P.R.?) is futile and just causes more personal stress than the original "drama".
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In most ways, the situations aren't much different.
Ian and the others reacted similarly to Kat. They wanted to get the word out to people to be cautious with their kids. They didn't necessarily want to use Facebook for that. A fairly tight circle of friends on NH Underground DOES NOT EQUAL Facebook. The last 3 minutes of my show yesterday is me ranting about how liberty folks need to get off Facebook. BTW, I later on agreed with Facilitator who suggests that Kat's intuition is not evidence worthy of hopping on board the pedo frenzy*. (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.msg325958#msg325958) I thought I'd posted something about that, but apparently we just talked about it in person. I was clearly biased because it was Kat and I know and like her. In fact, it was conversations (in person, not online) related to this incident in which I ultimately conceded than an accusation is practically equivalent to a conviction on this subject, which is why it's so important not to make those accusations lightly or publicly. The incident with Ethan and the ensuing drama affected how I felt about this latest incident of public accusations. Meanwhile, Ethan was being a dick in terms of failing to respect parent's wishes (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.msg325936#msg325936) and so while there was no evidence of any child abuse, he contributed to the drama to a large extent and he got himself kicked out and that much was well warranted.
So the situations are pretty similar and my views are similar, but it's quite different in that Ethan doesn't have kids who can be taken away from him by CPS just over rumors. It's also different in that MOST of the people involved in that drama knew the parties involved and were fairly close to the situation, and could get in-person accounts from the people if they wanted. If you look at my first post here, my beef is mostly with a lot of people from the peanut gallery chiming in on something they're hearing about from totally unknown parties and nothing but their textual accounts online. As Ancap Agency says, 93% of communication is non-verbal and most people interpret the tone of text based on how they feel at the time they read it, and that's the source of most drama online.
I should have taken my own advice (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21089.msg326067#msg326067) though and never chimed in on this, but I've already admitted that was a mistake. In that respect, I'll admit to being hypocritical.
* BTW, the "pedo frenzy" is simply part of the modern culture in the U.S. You don't "start" it. You just join in.
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Ian defends couple who skipped town after being exposed for bragging about inappropriate contact with their own child. Says children can consent to sex.
Where is blackie with the scoop?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EsoOmLKsHM&feature=related[/youtube]
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That nhunderground link is 12 pages long (or maybe 11...can't remember right now.), but worth reading. What this character Ethan is doing is referred to as "grooming". It's obnoxious stuff to read, but you should read it to help you understand how the pedo thinks.
At the end of the thread there is a picture of the pedo holding a little baby, and the poster of the pic is the father of the child, and mentions that he trusts his child with this Ethan character.
It is all very sickening stuff.
This Ethan character also regards himself as "anti-ageist".
The whole thing just absolutely reeks, and then crazy Sam Dodson come's to Ethan's rescue, and downplays the whole situation.
I am convinced that if you are a member of FSP, then you are either crazy ...or a crazy pedo.
The FSP will not end well. This is just the tip of the ice-pedoberg. This pedoberg is going to bring the FSP down...guaranteed.
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Hey Pube, how do you know all the Peacocks at your sex parties are of age?
I don't think you know.
That makes you a hypocritical Peacock Pedo.
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P.S.
Pube, you should probably change your profile picture to not seem like the ring leader of the whole thing.
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P.S.
Pube, you should probably change your profile picture to not seem like the ring leader of the whole thing.
I refuse to change my avatar, just because of this latest scandal! It's a good avatar! It's become iconic....and it is not connected to The Pedoberg.
I am also listening to the mp3 of the FTL program that this Ethan character played to the 12 year old boy....as mentioned in the thread link that blackie posted. I am about 40 minutes into it, but I'm gonna stop listening...cuz the episode is boring.
Alls I have to say is PREPARE FOR THE PEDOBERG!!!
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBc8ZjrSPOI&playnext=1&list=PL8EC3C0B5FC8D4DCE[/youtube]
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PREPARE FOR THE PEDOBERG!!!
A town full of underage children? Or an ice raft full of them? Either way:
(http://www.moonbattery.com/pedobear-drool.jpg)
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE[/youtube]
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I am convinced that if you are a member of FSP, then you are either crazy ...or a crazy pedo.
The FSP will not end well. This is just the tip of the ice-pedoberg. This pedoberg is going to bring the FSP down...guaranteed.
That is absurd. For one thing, the FSP doesn't even have membership, unless you are talking about the 7 members of the FSP board of directors. Secondly, neither Ethan nor Sam live in NH. Thirdly, Ethan never even joined the FSP. He was opposed to the idea for moral reasons. Additionally, I don't know if what he did was grooming or anything about that. However, he was asked to leave a location because he violated someone's demands and as far as I know, he immediately left the location.
While Ian and Dale take extreme positions that likely over 99% of the US adult population disagree with, they are correct in some of what they said in the last several pages. Of course, Mark did a better job than anyone explaining decent thoughts and positions but it is clear that he is the best communicator in this thread.
There are pedos in every state and nation in the world. Some people, like some in the Keene area tried to help one of these folks and make a positive difference in the world. Trying to help reduce violence and oppression isn't always a bad thing.
Anyway, you are one to talk. Let's get real, even though the average poster on this BBS is pretty far out there, you are beyond that.
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(http://i.imgur.com/JsHpz.png)
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I'm famous, biatch! :D
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I'm famous, biatch! :D
50% correct
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I'm famous, biatch! :D
50% correct
Ha, I'm known AT LEAST as well as you, and I didnt have to be an insufferable troll to get there ;)
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I'm famous, biatch! :D
50% correct
Ha, I'm known AT LEAST as well as you, and I didnt have to be an insufferable troll to get there ;)
It was posted with love, my man.
T minus 7 weeks till we smoke a peace pipe in the woods. w00t!
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I'm famous, biatch! :D
50% correct
Ha, I'm known AT LEAST as well as you, and I didnt have to be an insufferable troll to get there ;)
Then why are you an insufferable troll?
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Then why are you an insufferable troll?
For the LULz, my good man.
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Then why are you an insufferable troll?
For the LULz, my good man.
and here I thought it was due to some personality defect.
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Then why are you an insufferable troll?
For the LULz, my good man.
win
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Then why are you an insufferable troll?
For the LULz, my good man.
and here I thought it was due to some personality defect.
Like yours?
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(http://coverlaydown.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/tinnitus.jpg)
It's amazing what I've missed after not being around for a while.
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"Rich Paul
Asked Wes what he was going to do about the 600 due tomorrow. His response was "defaulting, do what you will". Apparently he is no longer interested in even attempting to pay or in paying me anything to clear the debt. Rob Rolen Kirk McNeil Lorri Rodier Ofer Nave William Kostric"
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"Rich Paul
Asked Wes what he was going to do about the 600 due tomorrow. His response was "defaulting, do what you will". Apparently he is no longer interested in even attempting to pay or in paying me anything to clear the debt. Rob Rolen Kirk McNeil Lorri Rodier Ofer Nave William Kostric"
What, you paid his bond?
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Then why are you an insufferable troll?
For the LULz, my good man.
and here I thought it was due to some personality defect.
No. Completely different kind of personality defect.
Like yours?
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"Rich Paul
Asked Wes what he was going to do about the 600 due tomorrow. His response was "defaulting, do what you will". Apparently he is no longer interested in even attempting to pay or in paying me anything to clear the debt. Rob Rolen Kirk McNeil Lorri Rodier Ofer Nave William Kostric"
As I posted in response to that status "Karma FTW"
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And my own drama:
"Jason Denonville
Is it too much to ask to have roommates who don't steal your food? Especially ones who are supposed to be of a libertarian mindset. Three times now."
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And my own drama:
"Jason Denonville
Is it too much to ask to have roommates who don't steal your food? Especially ones who are supposed to be of a libertarian mindset. Three times now."
Foodbombs* are the solution. Been around as long as food has been stolen by roomies, prolly.
You know, make something up that looks good, mix something really nasty into it. Be more creative than shit, piss or spit. Sweet baked goods with syrup of ipecac are good. Also candied bacon with it drizzled on top. Makes for really nasty tasting barf. Laxatives, of course. If you're really pissed rub a raw piece of chicken over some fruit. When I was in college I did up some jelly donuts with ipecac. Four of 'em. They were in a bag that was locked shut with a floppy disk label that had "Eat 'em and I fuck you up." written on it. The person ate all four before they started to feel bad. The effects of ipecac can come on really quick. They sprayed all over their computer, keyboard, and monitor.
There was also blue food coloring in the donuts. Enough of it that you could taste it. The person's lips and chin were blue for days.
Fuck people who steal.
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It's too bad you can't readily buy Ipecac syrup anymore. That was good shit.
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When I was in college I did up some jelly donuts with ipecac. Four of 'em. They were in a bag that was locked shut with a floppy disk label that had "Eat 'em and I fuck you up." written on it. The person ate all four before they started to feel bad. The effects of ipecac can come on really quick. They sprayed all over their computer, keyboard, and monitor.
There was also blue food coloring in the donuts. Enough of it that you could taste it. The person's lips and chin were blue for days.
Fuck people who steal.
#winning
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And my own drama:
"Jason Denonville
Is it too much to ask to have roommates who don't steal your food? Especially ones who are supposed to be of a libertarian mindset. Three times now."
And didn't your roommate find out that it was just misplaced and not actually stolen? So maybe it did actually happen, but only 2 times?
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It's too bad you can't readily buy Ipecac syrup anymore. That was good shit.
Sure ya can.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dhpc&field-keywords=Ipecac&x=0&y=0
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It's too bad you can't readily buy Ipecac syrup anymore. That was good shit.
Sure ya can.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dhpc&field-keywords=Ipecac&x=0&y=0
Yeah, they're all homeopathic dilutions, not the stuff you take to make you puke.
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It's too bad you can't readily buy Ipecac syrup anymore. That was good shit.
Sure ya can.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dhpc&field-keywords=Ipecac&x=0&y=0
Yeah, they're all homeopathic dilutions, not the stuff you take to make you puke.
Jesus Christ. Buncha fucking savages in this town.
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And my own drama:
"Jason Denonville
Is it too much to ask to have roommates who don't steal your food? Especially ones who are supposed to be of a libertarian mindset. Three times now."
Foodbombs* are the solution. Been around as long as food has been stolen by roomies, prolly.
You know, make something up that looks good, mix something really nasty into it. Be more creative than shit, piss or spit. Sweet baked goods with syrup of ipecac are good. Also candied bacon with it drizzled on top. Makes for really nasty tasting barf. Laxatives, of course. If you're really pissed rub a raw piece of chicken over some fruit. When I was in college I did up some jelly donuts with ipecac. Four of 'em. They were in a bag that was locked shut with a floppy disk label that had "Eat 'em and I fuck you up." written on it. The person ate all four before they started to feel bad. The effects of ipecac can come on really quick. They sprayed all over their computer, keyboard, and monitor.
There was also blue food coloring in the donuts. Enough of it that you could taste it. The person's lips and chin were blue for days.
Fuck people who steal.
You can also use Methylene blue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylene_blue
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http://www.amazon.com/Ipecac-Syrup-Vomiting-Inducer/dp/B000Q7AVLU
This one is the real deal.
If you decide to use it, you absolutely must take pictures of the fallout.
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http://www.amazon.com/Ipecac-Syrup-Vomiting-Inducer/dp/B000Q7AVLU
This one is the real deal.
If you decide to use it, you absolutely must take pictures of the fallout.
Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.
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WTF, that was IN STOCK when I opened it. Hence the statement about proof.
That's messed up.
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Burning Porc is on. The week after porcfest, when ever that is.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=22316.msg333204#msg333204
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Burning Porc is on.
That's not drama
Until some of them get arrested for (whatever)
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Only 32 seconds long:
http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2011/06/2011-06-01_16-27-37.mp3
And some follow-ups here (http://nh.porcupine411.com/2011/06/) if you are amused by the drama:
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Only 32 seconds long:
http://nh.porcupine411.com/files/2011/06/2011-06-01_16-27-37.mp3
And some follow-ups here (http://nh.porcupine411.com/2011/06/) if you are amused by the drama:
ROFL@WELFAREQUEEN'D
Also THANKS.TXT'd
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thanks.txt
+10 points for being passive aggressive
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How long was this dude in NH?
also, wat.
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How long was this dude in NH?
ZOMG these messages are hilarious. The P411 messages are all on the same day.
Check it:
Seamus O'Connor
We love Keene! What else can I say?
Yesterday at 3:13pm
wat?
... and then there's real gems. wat, indeed:
Seamus O'Connor
One thing he does not know is that I am a sub. A sub NEVER Domes from the bottom! He has said some nasty things about me but most folks know the truth.
May 27 at 12:40pm
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Denis can have this one.
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(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/MayhemOfTheBlackUnderclass/trouble.jpg)
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Naomi on twitter: "I am no longer doing art for free. I can't afford it. I've learned to keep business and work separate, I will be poor if I keep doing it."
Well thats why after you failed to create the Zombie-Porc lgo for free, that you were SOOO excited about doing, I offered to PAY you to do the t-shirt design.
You mention having other clients with serious deadlines, when did the shirt deadline for PorcFest become a deadline easily blown off?!?
Do you really think that if there are no shirts at PorcFest this wont reflect INCREDIBLY negatively upon your professionalism? I mean I have absolutely NO reason not to tell everyone the truth about why there are no shirts.
You can keep doing this, or you can call me and talk like an adult. This isn't helping you get anywhere, bro.
HOW CAN I CALL YOU WHEN YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN ME YOUR NUMBER?!?!?
Give you? Did you ever ask??
No you dragged Mike into this, so lets do that mediate thing since he is already taking his time out to help
I ASKED FOR YOUR PAYPAL ADDY AND A SAMPLE. NO RESPONSE. IF YOU WANT ME TO CALL YOU, INSTEAD OF SAYING "I HAVE A PHONE" (to which I respond "I didn't know you had a phone, I tried getting your number from Dale". Btw he then texted MY number to Josh, SO WHY DIDNT YOU CALL ME?!?) GIVE ME YOUR NUMBER!
I think I made it incredibly obvious to you that the t-shirts needed to be ordered yesterday. To do that I needed to know what color shirt works with the design. You did your damnedest to take exception to the unimportant and IGNORE the important (Deadline, Design, Payment).
DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A DESIGN?!?
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Did you not just read what I wrote about Mike? I am deleting this wall post and we are talking to Mike. Or, you can keep doing this, and get nothing out of it. this is solving nothing.
I NEED THE DESIGN YESTERDAY, GOING THROUGH MIKE WONT GET ME WHAT I NEED. YOU CLAIM TO HAVE FINISHED THE DESIGN AND WANT PAYMENT. I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO TRADE PAYMENT FOR DESIGN. WHY ARE YOU WITHHOLDING THAT WHICH I CONTRACTED FOR?!?!?!?
Then why did you ask him in the first place?
Because it gets more and more obvious every minute that you fully intend to default on our contract. Why else? You wont give me your phone number, you wont give me your paypal addy, you wont give me a sample, you wont give me the design.
You wont do any of the things we've contracted for, you're only willing to take exception at me posting on your wall, and having Robin text Heika to try to get ahold of you.
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Hey folks--can we take this off the public wall for now? I'm in conversation with both of you privately, and perhaps we can get this resolved that way. If that doesn't work, I can provide some nice blades for y'all to shred each other with, or y'all can have at each other online again. But how's about we see if we can reintroduce some civility until then?
A voice of reason emerges
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I see 'Sovereign' Curtis continues to win friends and influence Porcs.
Not.
Why they have this abrasive, immature jerk running PorcFest is utterly beyond my ability to fathom.
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I see 'Sovereign' Curtis continues to win friends and influence Porcs.
Not.
Why they have this abrasive, immature jerk running PorcFest is utterly beyond my ability to fathom.
Thank you. Please feel free to call Curtis names to your heart's content. However, please do it at places like this and not on the FSP Forum.
Thank you.
I love you,
Keith
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I love you,
Keith
"Welcome to Costco. I love you."
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zNsUTWsOc[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zNsUTWsOc
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I enjoyed working at Costco for 8 years; though, I was only a greeter for a day or so. That position was typically filled by the injured folks. It's light duty and all.
That shit was too stressful even though the pay was awesome so when I moved to NH I decided to not transfer to a near-by Costco. Lovin' it!
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Sovereign Curtis
I love you all, and I hate to impose upon you, but WE'RE BROKE!
The PorcFest budget is WAY short, like TEN GRAND short. And thats AFTER I cut out unnecessary 'future' expenses (17 days aint so far away). Its begging time.
PLEASE consider donating (again). Please, get your friends, family, neighbors, ex's, co-workers, etc to donate. $5, $50, or $500, WE NEED YOUR DONATION!
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Seriously?
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What's different this year other than more people coming (additional revenue) and no vendor tent (less cost)?
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:lol:
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Are these the same people in charge of the whole Liberty Forum?
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Are these the same people in charge of the whole Liberty Forum?
RUT ROH!
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This year there are no vendors, I don't know if Porcfest made or lost money off of vendors. There are the 20% discount codes this year and perhaps more volunteers (which get in for free). I think there may be a bunch of the communication devices like people in Keene use. I think registration is happening in the bowl instead of the bingo room. If that's true, it may cost money to rent tents to but over the registration area.
Maybe Roger's is charging the FSP more money this year? I know I would if I was Roger's. Maybe the bands or speakers are being paid money?
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I wouldn't mind paying a fee. Curtis hasn't asked for one, and most people are just paying only Rodger's for the campsite and that's it. Of course, Mandrik and I plan to donate some money, but still.
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Sovereign Curtis
SO SERIOUS. How much do you think PorcFest costs?
Underfunded list:
* ROGERS CAMPGROUND: $6000
...* SPEAKERS: $4000
* RENTALS: $2500
* SOUND ENGINEER & TECH NEEDS: $1500
* MUSIC/BANDS: $1000
* REGISTRATION/WELCOME NEEDS: $500
* MISC EXPENSES: $250
Thoughts for next year or how to cut 7k from the budget.
Speakers
Come up with a coupon system. All of the food vendors that chose to locate in the vending section have to provide one free food item to the folks that get the coupons. For the main speakers, provide free entree to Porcfest for them and their family/assistants and they also get the coupons. Consider that their pay. For the minor speakers, give them free entree to Porcfest and consider that their pay. That would take $4000 out of the budget.
Rentals
Do registration/official merch/central operations/safety inside the bingo hall and that likely cuts the rental budget in 1/2 or something.
Bands
The Bands/music can likely be cut in half too. Have free bands a couple nights (Hannah, Luthor, Varrin, Cooper), do Soapbox Idol one night, have karaoke 2 nights and paid bands on just one night. Maybe have 3-4 bands that night and spend no more than $400 in total for all of them, maybe even less.
SOUND ENGINEER
Cut some of that, especially with only one night of paid bands.
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Speakers
I like Stefan, but if he's too expensive, can't we just find some other dood who really hates his parents?
Seriously though, my understanding is as a general rule based on how cons are run, speakers are only worth paying if they bring in enough fans to at least fund their fees. Does it feel like you're getting at least $4k more registration fees due to the speakers you're paying than you would without?
How much was spent on speaker fees last year? Seems like Porcfest is a lot less about attending speeches than it is about a bunch of people partying, chilling, hanging out with other movers, etc. I went a whole PF week one year and hardly attended a single planned event and I had a BLAST. I even made a comic about it (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/06/12/porcfest-party-2010-3-of-3/).
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Sovereign Curtis
SO SERIOUS. How much do you think PorcFest costs?
Underfunded list:
* ROGERS CAMPGROUND: $6000
...* SPEAKERS: $4000
* RENTALS: $2500
* SOUND ENGINEER & TECH NEEDS: $1500
* MUSIC/BANDS: $1000
* REGISTRATION/WELCOME NEEDS: $500
* MISC EXPENSES: $250
What part of porc fest was funded?
Why is it just coming out 17 days before porcfest that they are 1000% over budget?
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Why is it just coming out 17 days before porcfest that they are 1000% over budget?
One person doing too many things who's uncompensated for doing them?
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Why is it just coming out 17 days before porcfest that they are 1000% over budget?
One person doing too many things who's uncompensated for doing them?
How much of that is a result of this:
I see 'Sovereign' Curtis continues to win friends and influence Porcs.
Not.
Why they have this abrasive, immature jerk running PorcFest is utterly beyond my ability to fathom.
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Why is it just coming out 17 days before porcfest that they are 1000% over budget?
Where did you get the 1000% number?
I guess lots of folks will register b/t now and then or even at Porcfest and that will cover much of the costs.
I know there are some people that have spread that you can get in without paying (steal your way in.)
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So the costs are approximately $15,750. Assuming that everyone who registers for PorcFest gets 20% off, he'd need nearly 800 people to register. Weren't last year's registrations well short of that? How did they manage? Did Curtis or any other organizer take the time to get out a calculator? If they're $10k short, that means they've got fewer than 300 people registered right now.
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Momma Ally started a FB group to take over TN by doing a group very similar to the FSP in TN. Two of the main differences are it is more centrally planned and she is about taking the state over. I guess another main difference is that there is just about zero support for her idea right now.
Some folks, including two NH State Reps. left TN for NH for greater liberty.
Tennessee Take Over!
https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_202211029822360
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From the heart we will start!
Liberty and freedom in America must start to become a reality NOW and not just a talked about adventure.
Tennessee for many reasons is a great place to gather our forces and start the fight.
Activists across the country are being laughed at, beaten, jailed and silenced individually and I think we all agree that we have had enough! Our time is now!
It is time to concentrate our numbers in a centrally located, geographically protected area, build our own army, infiltrate and dismantel the system from the bottom up and FREE this country so that our grandchildren will never know a day of oppression.
There are 95 counties in Tennessee. We need liberty leaders to move into each county and begin the takeover NOW.
These positions are first come first serve and your pay will be the security of freedom for your families future.
As clan/county leaders you will be responsible for recruiting supporters to move to your county. You will aid in their transition and assist their family in any way possible to secure their stable position so that they may become a fearless fighter for our cause in every way on every level.
Time is of the essence! There will be a round table meeting of all current and aspiring Tennessee Take Over Liberty Leaders at Fort Freedom on Thanksgiving Day 2011 to discuss, over fine food as our ancestors did this day so many years ago, our direction, actions/support needed in each area.
Let us move into position and gracefully bring about the inevitable civil war that our country has needed for so long. Let us not be distracted by the hate and hurt from the wrongs that have been done to us by the police states. Let us turn that angst into an intelligent counter movement that will achieve freedom for all our countrymen. Tennessee first!
WE ARE NOT TERRORISTS! We love our country and just want to live here freely and raise our children in peace!
SOLIDARITY my friends!
-Momma Ally
Liberty Leader of Knox County
Fort Freedom
I would also like to calm the minds of those that are leary of the FSP's WE ARE NOT AN FSP. We will FREE this state but in our own quiet, intelligent way.
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Fort Freedom
Not talking down about any current FSP's bc they have been the trail blazers in our era and will always deserve that respect but there will be no going to jail over a beer, or smoking cigarettes in city parks to see if they will give us a f...ine. It is my intention that we stay as undetected as possible unless there is a serious matter brought to the roundtable that requires our public support then we will give it FULLY.See More
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Clyde Voluntaryist Joyce hm, i'm a proponent of civil disobedience
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Fort Freedom Then claim which county you would like to be known for CD and make it yours Clyde :) I recommend the one where the nuclear activists are since they are obviously CD friendly. I read a report of a protest there where a 70 somethin year old nun was protesting. All I could say was 'Awesome'...to each his own here in TN Clyde :) I want 95 flavors of FREEdom all working together on this one yours is welcome to :)
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Clyde Voluntaryist Joyce i'm done with laying low. it didn't work for me. each person has to make their own journey their own way.
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Fort Freedom Can you just imagine how much we will get accomplished with 95 different 'ways' all in the same direction to smash the state? :)))
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Clyde Voluntaryist Joyce
one of my pet peeves is when someone in the liberty movement criticizes another because they do something differently or are in a different place in their own journey. it reminds me of all the variations of christianity arguing with one ano...ther over which group is going to heaven and which is not. such energy wasting divisiveness makes me suspicious of the person criticizing others...like making a big deal over a polite "thank you," for example. every person has to make their own journey their own way. sometimes, we find people we want to walk with; others we want to avoid. regardless, we should all embrace one another's different approaches, emphasize the positive, and move forward together toward the same goal without bickering and in-fighting.See More
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Catherine Carpenter Know any History on the town of Lodie,NY It's pretty interesting?
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Fort Freedom Thats right Clyde! :) Thats why we are doin it a new way in TN :) where we can stand up for freedom together even if we dont exactly agree :)
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Alaric McCoy The FSP will learn from its mistakes. It is getting better. Someone has started a arbitration firm. I would hope others are starting security services and safehouses within the society.
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Fort Freedom
arbitrator is anarchist for attorney IMPO not to say some things wont undoubtedly need mediation but I think there should be 1 person appointed to arbitrate each situation not 1 arbitrator per person. That is the fair way to do it. Or both ...people present their facts to a council of people who decide what is fair if the parties just cannot resolve the matter amongst themselves AS ADULTS should have enough communication skills to do if they are going to take on the responsibility of being and living FREE with no gov't but the way Brad Spangler (who is the man who started the firm you speak of Alaric) is doing it is outright crap and I WILL NOT be supporting people or groups of people hiring others to do their dirty work! That is the same system that we have now that I want no part of only with a pretty little free state name and spin on it and I speak from personal experience with those that are creating that way and I tell you that it is still only freeish, in that you can choose not to participate with no retribution, but IT IS NOT FREE my friends and I would like us to strive for the purest forms of FREE in Tennessee :) NOT FREEISH Just plain FREE.See More
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Alaric McCoy
I kind of agree. I am also unconfortable with hired enforcement. Although I have found them easier to deal with than government force not everyone who lives on merit has the same talents. I don't want duelling either. My own way of dealing ...with people as a agorist is to not sell anything I am not willing to lose to someone I don't trust. I also have all payments above board before I do anything. Interesting discussion. But I am just jotting this out on my break. I will be more available in the next few days, I just have been busy. I have actually been having doupts on this idea on private arbitration for quite some time.See More
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Fort Freedom
Oh sweet freedom I dreamt about you last night :) Let me tell you what I saw...
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Fort Freedom each clan/county rotating a 'family reunion' every Saturday so that we have a weekly opportunity to link up and worship freedom. With 95 counties that each one hosting about every 2 years which isnt to $taxing$ and serves a great purpose.
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Fort Freedom I saw us at the roundtable numbering each county and designing the support network for the whole state :) including mapless plans of how to lean on your neighbors or should shit hit the fan falling back to the fort with the children, leaving a single guard from every clan and returning to your home to fight the state fearlessly :)
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Fort Freedom I saw Thanksgiving dinner with all 95 leaders and their families and it was most beautiful :) I never felt so safe :) all our beautiful liberty babies playing on the mountain...
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Fort Freedom
Many of you have seen the Free State Projects in New Hampshire, Arizona and Wyoming. There is also the Southeast Liberty Project that is an up and coming activist venture. But we, we will FREE Tennessee first and be the example to all others of how its really done Son! So pack your bags and get movin! The safety in the smoky mountains is calling you :)
about a week ago
Sorry, Ally but there is no FSP in WY and there never was. What is this take about AZ? That is complete news to well, everyone.
Free TN first? Um, how? I don't know what she means by safety but TN is easily one of the most dangerous states to live in. It is true that rural East TN has near the lowest taxes in the nation but that is the only notable liberty that the area offers over other parts of the nation.
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In NH related Momma Ally news:
From the Southeast Liberty Project FB page.
Fort Freedom
Hey WHO IS GOING TO PORCFEST and driving from the south? I need someone with a tow hitch to pick my kitchen trailer outside of Keene and bring it back down this way if anybody knows anybody please let me know THANKS -Momma Ally
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Sorry, Ally but there is no FSP in WY and there never was.
http://freestatewyoming.org/
Never lie or talk about things you're not sure about like you're an authority.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica)
History has a tendency to repeat itself. Ally is probably a loss, but if we don't learn from our mistakes we might as well pack it in. A safe house should have been provided had she wanted to use it. Whats the point of moving together if we just chuck each other under the bus?
Your name is Kieth isn't it H&R? Yeah, there are libertarians outside NH, and Wyoming and Arizona have some serious players.
How are the private arbitration firms working out?
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Sorry, Ally but there is no FSP in WY and there never was.
http://freestatewyoming.org/
Never lie or talk about things you're not sure about like you're an authority.
Looks kinda, dead.
Last item in their events calendar was a FSW Jamboree dating back to 2007.
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Last item in their events calendar was a FSW Jamboree dating back to 2007.
Watchoo talkin' 'bout? That things still goin'! They know how to party in WY.
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Last item in their events calendar was a FSW Jamboree dating back to 2007.
Watchoo talkin' 'bout? That things still goin'! They know how to party in WY.
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Um, right on the front page -
2011 FSW Jamboree!
June 9-12, 2011
near Osage, Wyoming
For those of you who enjoyed our Jamborees of 2004-2007, the 2011 Jam will be of similar flavor. Camping, shooting, BBQ, inside bathrooms, hot showers, full kitchen, and swap-meet.
Anyway, my point is, is that it exists.
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Sorry, Ally but there is no FSP in WY and there never was.
http://freestatewyoming.org/
Never lie or talk about things you're not sure about like you're an authority.
Looks kinda, dead.
IIRC, you can't see most of the forum until you register. But I haven't checked on it in years.
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That was kinda fuckie. First time I clicked the link, it showed 2007, clicked again and it shows 2011 event.
They need a FSP Florida Keys. Get 20,000 people there, you could pretty much take over the whole place and secede from the state of FL in a weeks time.
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Free State Wyoming was never about real freedom. It was started by Boston T. Party the author, and seemed to disown anyone who wouldn't appear to be a Nice Good Christian during the takeover attempt.
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Are these the same people in charge of the whole Liberty Forum?
No.
LF10 (the one that got cancelled) was under new management that had never done it before.
I hear that another LF in in very early stages, and it will be Very Good and Very Big.
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Sorry, Ally but there is no FSP in WY and there never was.
http://freestatewyoming.org/
Never lie or talk about things you're not sure about like you're an authority.
That is in no way FSP in WY. BTW, I am very aware of Boston's group. I was actually the main supporter and advocate of WY before the vote. If you knew almost anything about the history of the FSP you would have likely known that. Boston's group has zero relation to the FSP. I understand he took some of the name because it sounds good or for whatever reason he decided. I am fine with him taking whatever words he wants to name his group. He has come to NH, is a great guy and will likely come again.
It is OK if I am an authority on this issue and you are not. It's OK that you are confused on this. We all cannot be authorities on everything. I know I am not. I'd certainly never try to correct you on how to make music, write a movie, direct a movie, edit a movie, use a camera, edit media or anything like that.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica)
History has a tendency to repeat itself. Ally is probably a loss, but if we don't learn from our mistakes we might as well pack it in. A safe house should have been provided had she wanted to use it. Whats the point of moving together if we just chuck each other under the bus?
Your name is Kieth isn't it H&R? Yeah, there are libertarians outside NH, and Wyoming and Arizona have some serious players.
How are the private arbitration firms working out?
Oh, Ally was wrong about the private arbitration firm also. Actually, there is a private arbitrator in NH but she named someone else that lives in another state. Ally is a nice enough lady. She likely tries to do what she thinks is right. She just does know much about liberty, politics, activism and so on. It is all real new to her. She is a great cook of certain Southern foods though ;)
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Are these the same people in charge of the whole Liberty Forum?
No.
LF10 (the one that got cancelled) was under new management that had never done it before.
I hear that another LF in in very early stages, and it will be Very Good and Very Big.
Chris ran LF 2010. You are talking about LF 2011. So this guy signed a contact, took $1000s of dollars but did such a bad job that the FSP Prez cancelled the event because he thought the direct was that bad. It wasn't pretty and it won't happen again like that.
BTW, the guy that ran it is from NH and he isn't a bad guy. He has actually done a lot of good stuff but he was a massive let down and IMO, is not to be trusted with money in the future. Though, everyone makes mistakes and I totally forgave him for his massive errors. I know I made lots of errors myself :(
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It is OK if I am an authority on this issue and you are not.
RESPECT HIS AUTHORITAHHH!!!
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That is in no way FSP in WY. BTW, I am very aware of Boston's group. I was actually the main supporter and advocate of WY before the vote. If you knew almost anything about the history of the FSP you would have likely known that. Boston's group has zero relation to the FSP. I understand he took some of the name because it sounds good or for whatever reason he decided. I am fine with him taking whatever words he wants to name his group. He has come to NH, is a great guy and will likely come again.
It is OK if I am an authority on this issue and you are not. It's OK that you are confused on this. We all cannot be authorities on everything. I know I am not. I'd certainly never try to correct you on how to make music, write a movie, direct a movie, edit a movie, use a camera, edit media or anything like that.
Jesus fucking Christ you are a moron sometimes, Keith. There is a Free State Wyoming. It exists. You are playing games with semantics.
I did not say that Free State Wyoming was the free state project started by Sorens.
Stop being a damned fool.
I was a member of the FSP before you were, child. I can damned near guarantee it.
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Are these the same people in charge of the whole Liberty Forum?
No.
LF10 (the one that got cancelled) was under new management that had never done it before.
I hear that another LF in in very early stages, and it will be Very Good and Very Big.
Then who is the new management?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica)
History has a tendency to repeat itself. Ally is probably a loss, but if we don't learn from our mistakes we might as well pack it in. A safe house should have been provided had she wanted to use it. Whats the point of moving together if we just chuck each other under the bus?
Your name is Kieth isn't it H&R? Yeah, there are libertarians outside NH, and Wyoming and Arizona have some serious players.
How are the private arbitration firms working out?
Oh, Ally was wrong about the private arbitration firm also. Actually, there is a private arbitrator in NH but she named someone else that lives in another state. Ally is a nice enough lady. She likely tries to do what she thinks is right. She just does know much about liberty, politics, activism and so on. It is all real new to her. She is a great cook of certain Southern foods though ;)
I am aware of the arbitration firm of Mike Ruff why isn't everyone else? Guy should buy some addspace.
If Ally had never heard of the FSP she would probably be better off.
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I am aware of the arbitration firm of Mike Ruff why isn't everyone else? Guy should buy some addspace.
Because free staters are cheap fuckers.
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FTL auctions off that add to the right every so often, usually that is a bargain. Guy could guest host or do a "Edgington post", at least that would get the word out. I believe a successful Field test of the private arbitrator concept (and it being talked about) is a important milestone.
Fuck it, I'll say the magic words.
Mark Edge.
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Then who is the new management?
That will be revealed soon. It is someone I trust.
It wasn't pretty and it won't happen again like that.
BTW, the guy that ran it is from NH and he isn't a bad guy. He has actually done a lot of good stuff but he was a massive let down [...] I totally forgave him for his massive errors.
Yes. Pretty much This.
He was working a lot more on getting good people elected, than on LF. Both noble causes. Some of the blame also rests on management oversight (or lack thereof).
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What's different this year other than more people coming (additional revenue) and no vendor tent (less cost)?
The difference this year is I dont have $10,000 cash or credit that I can devote to covering PF budget shortfalls, as have past organizers.
Being 10k 'short' two weeks out is normal. Having a head organizer who can't or won't cover the budget until revenue catches up, is not.
Are these the same people in charge of the whole Liberty Forum?
I have/had nothing to do with the past (canceled) Liberty Forum, that was Rich Tomasso. Nor do I think any of my team had anything to do with LF.
But I will be the #2 for Liberty Forum 2012 (eat it, Denis).
This year there are no vendors, I don't know if Porcfest made or lost money off of vendors. There are the 20% discount codes this year and perhaps more volunteers (which get in for free). I think there may be a bunch of the communication devices like people in Keene use. I think registration is happening in the bowl instead of the bingo room. If that's true, it may cost money to rent tents to but over the registration area.
Maybe Roger's is charging the FSP more money this year? I know I would if I was Roger's. Maybe the bands or speakers are being paid money?
There are vendors, they're just congregating in Agora Valley. There is no vendor fee, because it effectively costs a vendor more to vend this year (assuming they werent going to rent a campsite anyway), than it did last year. Previous year's experience of renting big ass tent to house vendors resulted in AT BEST breaking even. Unfortunately it appeared as more of a subsidization of people's businesses, so I cut that shit.
Ticket prices after the discount code are the same, or a dollar less (for regular registration), compared to last year. We've had MORE ticket sales, MORE donations, MORE sponsorships. Overall MORE revenue. We just dont have someone in the team (not that I've asked) willing to cover 10k of PorcFest expenses, until they can be reimbursed (which always happens).
Sovereign Curtis
SO SERIOUS. How much do you think PorcFest costs?
Underfunded list:
* ROGERS CAMPGROUND: $6000
...* SPEAKERS: $4000
* RENTALS: $2500
* SOUND ENGINEER & TECH NEEDS: $1500
* MUSIC/BANDS: $1000
* REGISTRATION/WELCOME NEEDS: $500
* MISC EXPENSES: $250
Thoughts for next year or how to cut 7k from the budget.
Speakers
Come up with a coupon system. All of the food vendors that chose to locate in the vending section have to provide one free food item to the folks that get the coupons. For the main speakers, provide free entree to Porcfest for them and their family/assistants and they also get the coupons. Consider that their pay. For the minor speakers, give them free entree to Porcfest and consider that their pay. That would take $4000 out of the budget.
Rentals
Do registration/official merch/central operations/safety inside the bingo hall and that likely cuts the rental budget in 1/2 or something.
Bands
The Bands/music can likely be cut in half too. Have free bands a couple nights (Hannah, Luthor, Varrin, Cooper), do Soapbox Idol one night, have karaoke 2 nights and paid bands on just one night. Maybe have 3-4 bands that night and spend no more than $400 in total for all of them, maybe even less.
SOUND ENGINEER
Cut some of that, especially with only one night of paid bands.
Speakers: This year only 4 out of 20 speakers require any sort of compensation (mostly travel and lodging). That tells me next year I wont have to offer ANYONE any compensation whatsoever. If speakers need money to attend PorcFest, they can raise it from their supporters easily. In fact one of the speakers coming this year (plus Jordan Page) are only coming because a supporter of theirs chose to cover their fee(s).
Registration: The tent/tables being rented for the Welcome/Help/Info site (formerly registration) cost under $100 for the entire week. Reg costs consist of welcome bags, name tags, etc etc. Moving out of the Jazz Hall gave us a prime location to use for entertainment. The Jazz Hall costs WAY more than the Agora Valley site (which is free), so it should be used for something that will generate revenue (entertainment, concessions). Plus AV site #1 is DIRECTLY in front as you pull in, completely unmissable (which can't be said about reg when it was in the Jazz Hall).
Bands: We're not paying ANY bands right now. We'd LIKE to pay some bands, specifically a reggae band I saw at Bardo Fest. But that wont happen until all other expenses are met.
Sound Engineer: You tell Kurt H he doesnt deserve LESS COMPENSATION than it costs to transport all that incredible sound equipment (we're not even compensating him for his labor). This expense will not be lessened, we're getting an incredible deal out of Kurt, one we cant beat elsewhere.
How much was spent on speaker fees last year? Seems like Porcfest is a lot less about attending speeches than it is about a bunch of people partying, chilling, hanging out with other movers, etc. I went a whole PF week one year and hardly attended a single planned event and I had a BLAST. I even made a comic about it (http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/06/12/porcfest-party-2010-3-of-3/).
About the same, though it was defrayed by offering those 8 hour courses. As I've already stated the speaker budget for next year will be zero dollars. In fact I'm considering selling space/time in the venues, so conceivably a speaker would have to PAY to speak at PorcFest (likely his/her supporters will raise this fee, and his/her compensation).
Why is it just coming out 17 days before porcfest that they are 1000% over budget?
One person doing too many things who's uncompensated for doing them?
QFT, I'm QUITE busy. Many may not be aware, but I work on PorcFest 7 days a week, 9am - 10pm...
So the costs are approximately $15,750. Assuming that everyone who registers for PorcFest gets 20% off, he'd need nearly 800 people to register. Weren't last year's registrations well short of that? How did they manage? Did Curtis or any other organizer take the time to get out a calculator? If they're $10k short, that means they've got fewer than 300 people registered right now.
No, we have closer to 600 people registered right now. And historically QUITE a few (hundreds) of people pay at the door. Thats how this PREDICTABLE budget shortfall has always been covered. Again only difference this year is I dont have my own credit/wealth to leverage.
Any other questions?
PS Please click the PorcFest banner and make your most generous donation. We're halfway to our goal
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The difference this year is I dont have $10,000 cash or credit that I can devote to covering PF budget shortfalls, as have past organizers.
Being 10k 'short' two weeks out is normal. Having a head organizer who can't or won't cover the budget until revenue catches up, is not
Tell the FSP to cover it.
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The difference this year is I dont have $10,000 cash or credit that I can devote to covering PF budget shortfalls, as have past organizers.
Being 10k 'short' two weeks out is normal. Having a head organizer who can't or won't cover the budget until revenue catches up, is not
Tell the FSP to cover it.
I think that's what he's implying that they did.
Remember, they pulled the plug on the Liberty Forum because they were afraid shelling out the money in advance for it would lead to bankruptcy.
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A way to help avoid this in the future -
Register - Get a bracelet/lanyard tag
Have a bracelet/lanyard tag - Attend events
Don't have a bracelet/lanyard tag - Fuck off
Ignore crybaby entitled freeriders.
Problem solved.
There are many other possibilities as well if you stop and think about it.
A website with little bars that fill up in order of priority would work.
Campground Goal X dollars (Percentage of money on graph. When it reaches 100%, you roll down to the next item)
Events (Maybe broken down into types of event from most popular downward.)
Other items.
Make it a game. Add bonus events that don't eat up all the profit for reaching certain goals. Non liberty specific things like vidya game competitions and cheap carnival games and fuckin' balloons for the kiddies and shit. Petting zoo. Whatever the fuck ya gotta do to motivate people to pony up cash on the front end. Gambling events. Organize adult events like a stripper tent or some shit. Or if that's offensive make it a burlesque show and call it classy. Get fucking authors to do readings. LUPO I'M TALKING TO YOU. Where are the fuckin' face painters and clowns and fuckers on stilts and belly dancers and shit?
ALL THESE THINGS AND MORE CAN BE HAD AT PORCFEST IF WE EXCEED X DOLLARS IN REGISTRATION FEES
Sell that shit.
Of course, I'm not pointing fingers or anything about who is responsible for what. Just thinking about ways to avoid shit in the future. Almost universally, conventions make profits. The idea that Porcfest doesn't make money and has had to be bankrolled repeatedly by cool people who have extra cash begs the question of how in hell they don't end up in the black in the first place.
It's because of cheap fuckers. Porcfest isn't a goddamn charity event. I totally understand that the event is basically one giant sales pitch for moving and all, but if you can't make it pay for itself, you aren't gonna be able to put the thing on forever.
This is a fairly small community and you'll eventually run out of individuals who have enough money to bail the event out.
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Ooooohhhh! She used the F-word! She gonna start a shitstorm over on the FSP forums!
http://nh.porcupine411.com/2011/06/05/audio-message-from-rolenr-6032944350-2/
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Ignore crybaby entitled freeriders.
I propose that we have an official gleeker and anyone who whines about $30 for a week-long party get officially gleeked (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gleek).
Organize adult events like a stripper tent or some shit. Or if that's offensive make it a burlesque show and call it classy.
HA!
Buzz's Bigger Gay Burlesque Dance Party Show
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Ooooohhhh! She used the F-word! She gonna start a shitstorm over on the FSP forums!
http://nh.porcupine411.com/2011/06/05/audio-message-from-rolenr-6032944350-2/
I've talked to some folks about this. Someone brought up the thought that she may be in some cult or something.
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Someone brought up the thought that she may be in some cult or something.
Yeah, that's what some people think of the FSP.
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http://www.deikman.com/wrong.html
Some degree of cult behavior can be seen in all groups, so instead of asking “Is this group a cult?,” a more useful inquiry is: “How much cult behavior is taking place here?” This question has special urgency as we face the reality of a present-day terrorism whose destructive possibilities have been fearfully magnified by modern technology. Although it is not hard to spot cult behavior in al Qaeda, we are not inclined to notice it in ourselves as we respond to the threat. Yet, we had better be able to do so, because the price of cult behavior is diminished realism. We cannot afford that now.
To heighten our awareness, Them and Us identifies four basic cult behaviors that influence our thinking: 1) compliance with a group, 2) dependence on a leader, 3) avoiding dissent, and 4) devaluing the outsider. These forces operate in all aspects of society. The core process is devaluing the outsider, resulting in Them-versus-Us behavior.
This book makes clear the nature of the problem and the attitude necessary for its solution. The book expands on Deikman's earlier work, The Wrong Way Home (1990), showing the connection between classic cult manipulation and the milder forms of group pressure that can be found in even the most staid organizations—churches and schools, mainstream political movements and corporate boardrooms.
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1) compliance with a group
2) dependence on a leader
3) avoiding dissent
4) devaluing the outsider
Seems like #4 is the most common violation among the liberty crowd, but there's also a general us vs. them attitude our crowd has that is probably pretty healthy considering.
I know for a fact that #4 is the only one that I do, heh.
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The difference this year is I dont have $10,000 cash or credit that I can devote to covering PF budget shortfalls, as have past organizers.
Being 10k 'short' two weeks out is normal. Having a head organizer who can't or won't cover the budget until revenue catches up, is not
Tell the FSP to cover it.
I think that's what he's implying that they did.
Remember, they pulled the plug on the Liberty Forum because they were afraid shelling out the money in advance for it would lead to bankruptcy.
You may be surprised but NOPE. I made a deal with 'the FSP' early on. PorcFest 2011 wont cost them a dime.
Why? I want to prove PorcFest can survive sans Free State Project Inc. FSP has to go, PF does not.
A way to help avoid this in the future -
Register - Get a bracelet/lanyard tag
Have a bracelet/lanyard tag - Attend events
Don't have a bracelet/lanyard tag - Fuck off
Ignore crybaby entitled freeriders.
Problem solved.
There are many other possibilities as well if you stop and think about it.
A website with little bars that fill up in order of priority would work.
Campground Goal X dollars (Percentage of money on graph. When it reaches 100%, you roll down to the next item)
Events (Maybe broken down into types of event from most popular downward.)
Other items.
Make it a game. Add bonus events that don't eat up all the profit for reaching certain goals. Non liberty specific things like vidya game competitions and cheap carnival games and fuckin' balloons for the kiddies and shit. Petting zoo. Whatever the fuck ya gotta do to motivate people to pony up cash on the front end. Gambling events. Organize adult events like a stripper tent or some shit. Or if that's offensive make it a burlesque show and call it classy. Get fucking authors to do readings. LUPO I'M TALKING TO YOU. Where are the fuckin' face painters and clowns and fuckers on stilts and belly dancers and shit?
ALL THESE THINGS AND MORE CAN BE HAD AT PORCFEST IF WE EXCEED X DOLLARS IN REGISTRATION FEES
Sell that shit.
Of course, I'm not pointing fingers or anything about who is responsible for what. Just thinking about ways to avoid shit in the future. Almost universally, conventions make profits. The idea that Porcfest doesn't make money and has had to be bankrolled repeatedly by cool people who have extra cash begs the question of how in hell they don't end up in the black in the first place.
It's because of cheap fuckers. Porcfest isn't a goddamn charity event. I totally understand that the event is basically one giant sales pitch for moving and all, but if you can't make it pay for itself, you aren't gonna be able to put the thing on forever.
This is a fairly small community and you'll eventually run out of individuals who have enough money to bail the event out.
Great suggestions.
PorcFest DOES make a profit. It just doesnt hit the black until Friday/Saturday. In the past PF was run buy one or more of those individuals with money. They covered the shortfall, and reimbursed themselves at PorcFest. I'm a broke fucker, that shit aint happening this year. Maybe if I hadnt spent the last 11 months working on PF full time I coulda got a part time job to help cover the shortfall (el oh fucking el. How much more of my life can I give this festival?)
Ignore crybaby entitled freeriders.
I propose that we have an official gleeker and anyone who whines about $30 for a week-long party get officially gleeked (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gleek).
I highly encourage those who have registered to out those who are freeloading. Fuck that shit.
I've put in 40+ hours a week for the last 11 months (and more recently [like the last two months] its been closer to 80+ hours/week....)
PorcFest is cheap. If someone refuses to pay THEY ARE ROBBING ME OF MY TIME AND LABOR. As such they deserve to be shamed and shunned.
And you KNOW I'll lead that fucking charge.
tl;dr click the banner below and give PorcFest your most generous donation. <3
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I made a deal with 'the FSP' early on. PorcFest 2011 wont cost them a dime.
Why? I want to prove PorcFest can survive sans Free State Project Inc. FSP has to go, PF does not.
Then what are you whining about?
I highly encourage those who have registered to out those who are freeloading. Fuck that shit.
I've put in 40+ hours a week for the last 11 months (and more recently [like the last two months] its been closer to 80+ hours/week....)
PorcFest is cheap. If someone refuses to pay THEY ARE ROBBING ME OF MY TIME AND LABOR. As such they deserve to be shamed and shunned.
And you KNOW I'll lead that fucking charge.
No one has to out me. I have said that I will not pay if I go.
Robbing you of your time and labor? If I go to porcfest and don't pay, how does that cost you time or labor?
But if that is how you feel, I just won't go.
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PorcFest DOES make a profit. It just doesnt hit the black until Friday/Saturday.
Well... It doesn't make enough to put into the kitty so you don't run into the same problem next year.
There's should be assets sitting there at the end of PF this year that go into paying for next year. If you don't have enough money at the bottom line to pay for your next con, you aren't doing your con right. Porcfest should pay for Liberty Forum which pays for Porcfest etc. until the end of time.
Money on top of that is profit. Donations aren't profit.
Not bagging on you, I'm just talking about the economic realities here.
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John, doesn't it give you a nice warm feeling when people kindly prove your stance that the Freestaters are cheap fucks?
Don't bother answering. It depresses the hell out of me.
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Robbing you of your time and labor? If I go to porcfest and don't pay, how does that cost you time or labor?
But if that is how you feel, I just won't go.
If you aren't volunteering, paying, an official performer that has been told they do not have to pay, a child or the organizer, of course you shouldn't go to Porcfest. Everyone knows that, even a common thief could figure out something so basic.
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Robbing you of your time and labor? If I go to porcfest and don't pay, how does that cost you time or labor?
But if that is how you feel, I just won't go.
If you aren't volunteering, paying, an official performer that has been told they do not have to pay, a child or the organizer, of course you shouldn't go to Porcfest. Everyone knows that, even a common thief could figure out something so basic.
I'll just be going to Rogers campground. Fuck Porcfest.
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If you aren't volunteering, paying, an official performer that has been told they do not have to pay, a child or the organizer, of course you shouldn't go to attend events at Porcfest. Everyone knows that, even a common thief could figure out something so basic.
FTFY.
You can't stop peeps from going to a campground and hanging around with their friends. The PF org isn't buying out Roger's Campground for the week.
Not being welcome at events is a separate issue, however, if you wanna be the guy who does that.
If I were going to PF this year I'd hang with Blackie. He's good people.
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Seems to me, this PF thing is getting too big for its britches. Not in the sense that too many people are coming, no, thats what you want at an event..... lots of people. I'm talking about the complications of it all. Just seems it started with a simple concept, getting liberty type people together. First few seemed like people had fun, everything went as planned, no prob. Now it seems it is in the beginning stages of turning into a monster. Always having to make something better, always having to one-up the previous one, all the while forgetting what made the thing fun to go to in the first place.
I've seen that type of shit happen soooooo many times with different festivals and whatnot. Starts out innocently enough...... just a bunch of people getting together, wanting to celebrate something, having a good time. Well, its such a huge success that all the sudden, everyone wants in on the deal, so they make it bigger, better, harder and faster, and it turns into something else entirely. Fees, licenses, rules, blah blah blah, this and that. Now all of the sudden everyone is speaking of shortfalls in funding, number crunching, head scratching, central planning to figure out how to keep it going.
I dont know if thats what is going on here, but from the conversations I see in here on a regular basis, seems to be that is whats going on.
K.I.S.S and the numbers will still continue to grow, people will still have fun and it is relatively headache free.
Correct me if im out of line and have no idea what im talking about. :)
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Seems to me, this PF thing is getting too big for its britches. Not in the sense that too many people are coming, no, thats what you want at an event..... lots of people. I'm talking about the complications of it all. Just seems it started with a simple concept, getting liberty type people together. First few seemed like people had fun, everything went as planned, no prob. Now it seems it is in the beginning stages of turning into a monster. Always having to make something better, always having to one-up the previous one, all the while forgetting what made the thing fun to go to in the first place.
I've seen that type of shit happen soooooo many times with different festivals and whatnot. Starts out innocently enough...... just a bunch of people getting together, wanting to celebrate something, having a good time. Well, its such a huge success that all the sudden, everyone wants in on the deal, so they make it bigger, better, harder and faster, and it turns into something else entirely. Fees, licenses, rules, blah blah blah, this and that. Now all of the sudden everyone is speaking of shortfalls in funding, number crunching, head scratching, central planning to figure out how to keep it going.
I dont know if thats what is going on here, but from the conversations I see in here on a regular basis, seems to be that is whats going on.
K.I.S.S and the numbers will still continue to grow, people will still have fun and it is relatively headache free.
Correct me if im out of line and have no idea what im talking about. :)
I dunno. My first PF was two years ago and it seemed like no one knew what the fuck was going on the whole time. I couldn't have gotten to an event until it was half over most of the time.
Of course, my overall experience sucked that year as well.
Last year was better because Melissa was there with me, but we spent 90% of our time there trying to promote the flick, and people generally thought that a mug and a music CD plus FREE BEER FOR THE ENTIRE WEEK ALL FOR TEN BUCKS was a ripoff.
We had a seven foot sign on the side of a van to advertise. Yes, it said free beer all caps. And yelled for people to come over.
Ended up paying for the manufacturing of the mugs and nothing more. (We left with around $450, which paid for gas for the trip home and a little more.) Many CDs are sitting in a box in Library #1 of Shaw Manse. Oz is taking a large crate of the mugs back this year to hand out.
Have heard word from maybe ten people about what they thought of the CD. S'aight if people don't like it, but SOME feedback would have been nice. Gardner Goldsmith liked it. Couple other cool people.
But seriously, ten bucks for all the beer you can drink and music and a mug to chug from? Cheap fuckers.
The big problem I saw with PF was lack of communication. Nine times out of ten when I heard that something cool was going on, it was when someone was hanging out with us and had to leave to go to it. "We're gonna got to the X, it started five minutes ago." ... "Oh."
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Geez, thats some serious gift-horse in the mouth bullshit right there.
Never question an unlimited beer tap for 10 bucks.........ever.
Hey, is there still a place where you can hear samples of the tracks on your CD online, or is that just an old project at this point?
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Geez, thats some serious gift-horse in the mouth bullshit right there.
Never question an unlimited beer tap for 10 bucks.........ever.
Hey, is there still a place where you can hear samples of the tracks on your CD online, or is that just an old project at this point?
The fact that you didn't immediately look on www.chartarum.com makes me very, very sad. I gets updated a couple times a week and has for over a year. :-(
Yes, Chartarum is alive. It is soon to be done. There will be news at Porcfest.
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See, now I know. I'm out of the loop on a lot of stuff.
Cant be helped.
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See, now I know. I'm out of the loop on a lot of stuff.
Cant be helped.
It's amazingly frustrating from my end. I promote it until people get mad at me for talking about it, then no one goes there for updates.
It's got a page on Facebook. It's got a page on twitter. It's got a web site. It's referenced on the thinktwicenews.com site. We advertised at PF last year. We did interviews on FTL, Ernie Hankcock, Gardner Goldsmith etc.
*Cries*
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If I were going to PF this year I'd hang with Blackie. He's good people.
This. Except I am going.
Except if he's going to go to PF but not pay for it then no, I can't do that, because Curtis is right, that would be basically stealing.
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If I were going to PF this year I'd hang with Blackie. He's good people.
This. Except I am going.
Except if he's going to go to PF but not pay for it then no, I can't do that, because Curtis is right, that would be basically stealing.
Not if he isn't attending events tho, yes? I don't see how it's an issue if he isn't going to the events and just hanging out with friends.
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See, now I know. I'm out of the loop on a lot of stuff.
Cant be helped.
It's amazingly frustrating from my end. I promote it until people get mad at me for talking about it, then no one goes there for updates.
It's got a page on Facebook. It's got a page on twitter. It's got a web site. It's referenced on the thinktwicenews.com site. We advertised at PF last year. We did interviews on FTL, Ernie Hankcock, Gardner Goldsmith etc.
*Cries*
I'm kinda going through it right now, backwards though, starting with the most recent stuff and working my way back to the beginning. Right now im checking out the page with the boom weighed by teh handguns. LOL
Like I said, im out of the loop bigtime.
I'm still waiting on a Star Wars sequel (please jesus, make it happen)
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See, now I know. I'm out of the loop on a lot of stuff.
Cant be helped.
It's amazingly frustrating from my end. I promote it until people get mad at me for talking about it, then no one goes there for updates.
It's got a page on Facebook. It's got a page on twitter. It's got a web site. It's referenced on the thinktwicenews.com site. We advertised at PF last year. We did interviews on FTL, Ernie Hankcock, Gardner Goldsmith etc.
*Cries*
I'm kinda going through it right now, backwards though, starting with the most recent stuff and working my way back to the beginning. Right now im checking out the page with the boom weighed by teh handguns. LOL
Like I said, im out of the loop bigtime.
I'm still waiting on a Star Wars sequel (please jesus, make it happen)
If you think it looks interesting, telling your friends will help a lot.
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Will do.
15 years ago I might have been able to help out a whole lot more.
Used to work in the distribution business myself, as a music and video wholesaler. Dealt with Warner Bros., Polygram, MCA, Capitol and CBS, which eventually became Sony. Worked with promotion reps from these labels on Super Saver music lines, which is basically back catalog stuff and new stuff that they are willing to take a chance on , but wont throw millions of dollars of promotion cash at.
Nowadays, its a different business with any majors. No personal contact with reps, if you even get a rep at all, no more cool promo materials and demos, no respect for any kind of real talent or creativity. It just got fucking weird and impersonal, really fast.... right about 96 or so. Thats when I got out of that biz altogether.
I know how hard it is to push something and get it out there. It can be frustrating as a motherfucker.
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I know how hard it is to push something and get it out there. It can be frustrating as a motherfucker.
Especially when you're a less than 10 person operation.
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I made a deal with 'the FSP' early on. PorcFest 2011 wont cost them a dime.
Why? I want to prove PorcFest can survive sans Free State Project Inc. FSP has to go, PF does not.
Then what are you whining about?
I highly encourage those who have registered to out those who are freeloading. Fuck that shit.
I've put in 40+ hours a week for the last 11 months (and more recently [like the last two months] its been closer to 80+ hours/week....)
PorcFest is cheap. If someone refuses to pay THEY ARE ROBBING ME OF MY TIME AND LABOR. As such they deserve to be shamed and shunned.
And you KNOW I'll lead that fucking charge.
No one has to out me. I have said that I will not pay if I go.
Robbing you of your time and labor? If I go to porcfest and don't pay, how does that cost you time or labor?
But if that is how you feel, I just won't go.
Sounds a lot like the intellectual property argument.
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I know how hard it is to push something and get it out there. It can be frustrating as a motherfucker.
Especially when you're a less than 10 person operation.
You ever get an opportunity to do any dragon-con/indie film convention type stuff to promote it, or something of that nature?
I'm sure this is a "duh" thing for you, but just curious if you've had the chance. Ya know, rub elbows with distributors of niche type stuff or genres specific to your film style.
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The PF org isn't buying out Roger's Campground for the week.
You cannot got a site at Roger's during Porcfest unless you are part of Porcfest. Fact. So yes. Blackie would be stealing. But that sounds just like Blackie so...
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You cannot got a site at Roger's during Porcfest unless you are part of Porcfest. Fact. So yes. Blackie would be stealing. But that sounds just like Blackie so...
It's pretty amazing then that we were able to get a motel room at Roger's without ever having mentioned PF to them last year.
We registered (For PF) via the PF website, called and booked a room seperately and never said a word to anyone at Roger's about our reason for being there. I just called and rented a room.
In 2009 I rented a room down the road. That creepy rainbow doored joint with the pig farm out back.
U JELLY?
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The PF org isn't buying out Roger's Campground for the week.
You cannot got a site at Roger's during Porcfest unless you are part of Porcfest. Fact. So yes. Blackie would be stealing. But that sounds just like Blackie so...
Even if that were true, it would sound like a pretty collectivist view of "theft," not dissimilar to the idea that people who do not pay "their" taxes are "stealing" from "the rest of us."
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Yeah, lets invite every homeless person who wants to come on to Rogers. As long as they don't go to any events, all is well.
It isn't really stealing, it is squatting. Willingness to pay is a safeguard that protects all that are using the property and discourages abuse.
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Yeah, lets invite every homeless person who wants to come on to Rogers. As long as they don't go to any events, all is well.
It isn't really stealing, it is squatting. Willingness to pay is a safeguard that protects all that are using the property and discourages abuse.
And that sounds like a sarcastic form of the bullshit anti "illegal" immigration argument. Someone else's camp site is not YOUR home. It's THEIR business if they want to allow someone on their site, and if so, they're not squatters.
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Yeah, lets invite every homeless person who wants to come on to Rogers. As long as they don't go to any events, all is well.
It isn't really stealing, it is squatting. Willingness to pay is a safeguard that protects all that are using the property and discourages abuse.
:roll:
A day pass for Rogers Campground is $5.
Not paying the $5 to Rogers Campground wouldn't be stealing or squating, it is trespassing. Read their fucking visitor policy.
"Visitor Policy
All campsites include two people per site therefore, all other guests are considered �Visitors�. Visitors are required to check-in at our office upon arrival and pay the appropriate visitor fees (if not previously paid at time of booking) and obtain a �Day Pass� for each day they will be on Roger�s property. Those who do not comply will be considered trespassing. Motel guests will be granted a �Day Pass� for the camping grounds upon request. "
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Yeah, lets invite every homeless person who wants to come on to Rogers. As long as they don't go to any events, all is well.
If I win the lottery between now and Porcfest, I'm gonna buy me a old run down Greyhound bus from an auction, spend about a week just driving up and down Lower Wacker Drive in downtown Chicago looking for homeless people, handing them business cards that say "Want to take a nice, all expenses paid trip to NH, free eats, place to sleep and live music? Be at 3544 State St at 11am, June 18th to catch the bus"
Load em all up on the bus and drive out. I'll even pay the $5 fee to get em all in.
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Yeah, lets invite every homeless person who wants to come on to Rogers. As long as they don't go to any events, all is well.
If I win the lottery between now and Porcfest, I'm gonna buy me a old run down Greyhound bus from an auction, spend about a week just driving up and down Lower Wacker Drive in downtown Chicago looking for homeless people, handing them business cards that say "Want to take a nice, all expenses paid trip to NH, free eats, place to sleep and live music? Be at 3544 State St at 11am, June 18th to catch the bus"
Load em all up on the bus and drive out. I'll even pay the $5 fee to get em all in.
Look at what money does to people. I thought I knew you. You changed man.
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Yeah, lets invite every homeless person who wants to come on to Rogers. As long as they don't go to any events, all is well.
If I win the lottery between now and Porcfest, I'm gonna buy me a old run down Greyhound bus from an auction, spend about a week just driving up and down Lower Wacker Drive in downtown Chicago looking for homeless people, handing them business cards that say "Want to take a nice, all expenses paid trip to NH, free eats, place to sleep and live music? Be at 3544 State St at 11am, June 18th to catch the bus"
Load em all up on the bus and drive out. I'll even pay the $5 fee to get em all in.
Look at what money does to people. I thought I knew you. You changed man.
You didn't let me finish...............
Then I was gonna give all the regs in here 100k in gold bullion as a gift, just for shits & giggles.
For being so hasty in your judgement, you only get 95k.
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Even if that were true, it would sound like a pretty collectivist view of "theft," not dissimilar to the idea that people who do not pay "their" taxes are "stealing" from "the rest of us."
I don't see the relation. We are talking about private property and private organizations here.
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I'm still a little unsure how this is theft. What is actually being stolen? The whole argument that this is stealing someone's time and effort smells a lot like the intellectual property rights issue. The service being rendered here is being rendered by Roger's Campground.
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John nailed it. Check for registration badges at events. Kick people out of events or stop them at the entry if they don't have passes. It's common procedure at cons and such. Saying people shouldn't even be at the campground is a reach. That's Rogers' stuph until PF gets big enough to basically lease the entire campground and get an agreement from Rogers that they control the whole thing for the week.
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John nailed it. Check for registration badges at events.
I would pay to see the Stefan Molyneux roast, if it was done properly.
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I didn't register for PorcFest until like Saturday, and I was there on Thurs. Nobody said a damn thing.
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I actually didn't know we were supposed to register for this until yesterday.
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Yeah, lets invite every homeless person who wants to come on to Rogers. As long as they don't go to any events, all is well.
It isn't really stealing, it is squatting. Willingness to pay is a safeguard that protects all that are using the property and discourages abuse.
And that sounds like a sarcastic form of the bullshit anti "illegal" immigration argument. Someone else's camp site is not YOUR home. It's THEIR business if they want to allow someone on their site, and if so, they're not squatters.
I agree with allowing people on to your campsight if you like. I don't think open house into Porcfest is a good idea, that's all. Of course I don't mind paying reasonable entrance fees either.
I also think Democracy would improve greatly with a poll tax, that was actually the argument I was borrowing. Free things are less appreciated...
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You didn't let me finish...............
Then I was gonna give all the regs in here 100k in gold bullion as a gift, just for shits & giggles.
For being so hasty in your judgement, you only get 95k.
I luv you man.... :wink:
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Just to head off the shit storm, not in that way.
That would cost you way more than 100 G's. :P
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You didn't let me finish...............
Then I was gonna give all the regs in here 100k in gold bullion as a gift, just for shits & giggles.
For being so hasty in your judgement, you only get 95k.
Should I just start offering BJs now in case you win?
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Even if that were true, it would sound like a pretty collectivist view of "theft," not dissimilar to the idea that people who do not pay "their" taxes are "stealing" from "the rest of us."
I don't see the relation. We are talking about private property and private organizations here.
If the camp site is paid for, it's paid for, and third parties have no claim anyway.
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You didn't let me finish...............
Then I was gonna give all the regs in here 100k in gold bullion as a gift, just for shits & giggles.
For being so hasty in your judgement, you only get 95k.
Should I just start offering BJs now in case you win?
The 100k is a gift. No need to provide services to earn it Dale.
But if you insist on earning it, I would expect one of the best BJ's ever known to mankind. The kind that makes someone cum out of their ears & eye sockets and sends them into another dimension of time and space.
Thats a mighty tall order, I know, but were talkin' a 100 thousand dollar blowjob here.
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Its INCREDIBLY disingenuous to claim that coming to Roger's that week is UNRELATED to PorcFest. Those friends you want to hang out with are there BECAUSE its PORCFEST. Want to join the party? Pay up. Can't? VOLUNTEER. Dont be a freeloading douche who makes the idiotic argument that you're only there to enjoy Roger's and NOT PorcFest...
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Its INCREDIBLY disingenuous to claim that coming to Roger's that week is UNRELATED to PorcFest. Those friends you want to hang out with are there BECAUSE its PORCFEST. Want to join the party? Pay up. Can't? VOLUNTEER. Dont be a freeloading douche who makes the idiotic argument that you're only there to enjoy Roger's and NOT PorcFest...
yea, pay up skinflints - hell its worth it to keep it going dontya think?
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Its INCREDIBLY disingenuous to claim that coming to Roger's that week is UNRELATED to PorcFest. Those friends you want to hang out with are there BECAUSE its PORCFEST. Want to join the party? Pay up. Can't? VOLUNTEER. Dont be a freeloading douche who makes the idiotic argument that you're only there to enjoy Roger's and NOT PorcFest...
No one made that claim or argument.
But you have convinced me, I will not go to porcfest.
I may go to Roger's camp ground some other time when there aren't so many feds around...so, yeah, I would be going there to enjoy Roger's campground. I had already decided it would be a bad idea to take my family to Rogers campground during porcfest.
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Its INCREDIBLY disingenuous to claim that coming to Roger's that week is UNRELATED to PorcFest. Those friends you want to hang out with are there BECAUSE its PORCFEST. Want to join the party? Pay up. Can't? VOLUNTEER. Dont be a freeloading douche who makes the idiotic argument that you're only there to enjoy Roger's and NOT PorcFest...
No one made that claim or argument.
But you have convinced me, I will not go to porcfest.
I may go to Roger's camp ground some other time when there aren't so many feds around...so, yeah, I would be going there to enjoy Roger's campground. I had already decided it would be a bad idea to take my family to Rogers campground during porcfest.
so you expect the fed's to be there hassling folks?
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so you expect the fed's to be there hassling folks?
I don't think they will be hassling anyone.
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um, so why wouldn't it be a good idea to take your family?
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um, so why wouldn't it be a good idea to take your family?
Because it is being run by a bunch of douche bags who want to turn it into a party.
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I made that decision after the Keene pedo fiasco.
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ok, thanks.
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And hark did Al look on to that fucking drama thread,
Second only to Dales chaos postings to look upon with dread,
The thread seems to be Hellbent out to prove,
Only a crazy person to NH ever would move.
Look, cheapos, pedos, crazy women who call the state,
Documented for prosperity, now isn't that great.
But one positive thing, I must confess,
Is no one reads the FTL BBS.
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um, so why wouldn't it be a good idea to take your family?
Because it is being run by a bunch of douche bags who want to turn it into a party.
Muppet, dude. Kate and Sharon have a crazy amount of kid stuff planned for Fest. This one will be way more family-oriented than ever.
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um, so why wouldn't it be a good idea to take your family?
Because it is being run by a bunch of douche bags who want to turn it into a party.
And what, my friend, is wrong with a party?
(Don't bring the kids into it either. Some of my best childhood memories are of the oyster roasts held by my grandfather. Huge parties, great times and wonderful friends.)
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um, so why wouldn't it be a good idea to take your family?
Because it is being run by a bunch of douche bags who want to turn it into a party.
Muppet, dude. Kate and Sharon have a crazy amount of kid stuff planned for Fest. This one will be way more family-oriented than ever.
His kid is too young to do anything.
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Momma Ally on her facebook group, https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_202211029822360
Fort Freedom the state of TN and its confines are just the start of what we hope to be replicated 49 more times. If you say we are freeing the nation it seems like such an overwhelming challenge bc of its sheer size that not many will step up to the plate. but if we say 1 state and build the perfect way to free it then it is more manageable and the chance of success much greater :)
Yesterday at 9:50am
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Oh honey I came with worldwide support :) and it all carries to TN :) and yes secession is the plan when we are all in place. Please do not compare us to NH. Good kidz up there but they are content to go to jail day after day to try and get... their point across and that isnt the way to win. It does bring much needed awareness and help awaken the sheeple but our movement will be much bigger and more powerful and when our day to stand comes I have full faith that our country will stand behind us :)See More
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Some actual decent advice :shock:
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Dana Nutter You're right about the civil disobedience crowd. Sometimes it's useful but for the most part it make them look like a bunch of crackpots, and running up tons of legal bills isn't an efficient use of resources. NH though is a small state so much easier to conquer, and once conquered they can set an example for the rest.
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Fort Freedom I have been to the depths of the NH movement and they dont have what it takes to go all the way :(
Yesterday at 10:21am
That Dana sounds like a nutter.
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Dana Nutter You're right about the civil disobedience crowd. Sometimes it's useful but for the most part it make them look like a bunch of crackpots
Ayup
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Its INCREDIBLY disingenuous to claim that coming to Roger's that week is UNRELATED to PorcFest. Those friends you want to hang out with are there BECAUSE its PORCFEST. Want to join the party? Pay up. Can't? VOLUNTEER. Dont be a freeloading douche who makes the idiotic argument that you're only there to enjoy Roger's and NOT PorcFest...
How did I miss the claim that going to Roger's is UNRELATED to PorcFest? The point is, it's THEIR campground. By the way, you don't have to fucking worry. I won't be there. I wouldn't want to be around people who turn everything into collectivism. Seems to me that's a big part of what the FSP is trying to fucking CORRECT, m'kay?
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I must not have gotten the memo. My take on a free society didn't include free rides.
I don't get it. You and Blackie shout from the rooftops that you wouldn't carry your own freight and then tell us that we lost the pleasure of your presence?
Well shoot.
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You and Blackie shout from the rooftops that you wouldn't carry your own freight and then tell us that we lost the pleasure of your presence?
No, I will not carry the FSPs freight.
As Kanye West would say
"You should be honored by my lateness, that I would even show up to this fake shit."
So anyway, what harm would come from me not paying a registration fee for porcfest?
Roger campground makes a few extra bucks. Vendors sell a few more items. The FSP loses nothing....
What is the harm done, and who is the victim?
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Because the organisers have invested time and money into the organising of Porcfest, the organisers. Sort of like a club who have a cover charge. Or a concert or party in a rented venue. You are stealing the services provided to make the party or entertainment happen. The fee is part of the deal. It was agreed to beforehand. Sovereign Curtis and the other organisers held up their end forthright and honest, a freedom loving person would suggest the participants show the same respect. In other words anybody that showed up and claimed fraud that there was a fee would be a liar. Anyone who sneaked in would be a thief. They mention the fee up front in every add.
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5157.msg52767#msg52767
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The fee is part of the deal. It was agreed to beforehand.
What deal and what agreement?
Find one place on this page that mentions a fee:
http://porcfest.com/news/who-what-when-where-why-how
WHO:
Anyone that wants to come,....
WHAT:
The Free State Project for the entire week, from Monday, June 20, 2011 through Sunday, June 26, 2011. Feel free to arrive any time during that week and explore the Free State. .....
HOW:
Any way you can. Just get there. Scrounge, bum a ride from any of the many convoys, or make some crafts or food to sell and even make your trip profitable! However you can manage to make it happen, and make it hot.
Find me somewhere that says what the registration fee is actually for. I've look, and asked Curtis, and it is unclear what the registration fee is for. Curtis decided to ignore the question. I'm not sure what kind of agreement is being made when you pay for registration, besided you agreeing to give the FSP $30. Does the registration fee include a Roger's Campground daypass? Who the fuck knows. It doesn't say on the porcfest website.
http://freestateproject.org/registration/porcfest/2011
This is the closest I have found.....
http://porcfest.com/frequently-asked-questions
Q: About how many non-PorcFest campers will there be?
A: The vast majority of campers will be with PorcFest, however, Roger's does have seasonal customers who will be onsite. Porcs treat everyone with respect and courtesy at all times.
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Registration
Q: Why should I register?
A: First off, because you will need a ticket to attend PorcFest. Second, some events will fill up/sell out quickly. To provide you with the best planning and information, and to adequately arrange for space, equipment, buses, performers, etc., we need to have an accurate estimate of attendance.
Q: What does it cost to attend PorcFest?
A: PorcFest is very affordable. Various aspects of the festival have specific fees associated with them, e.g. bus tours, t-shirts. Tickets to the festival are $25 for adults (18 and over) and free for those under 18. After April 1st, the price will go up to $30, and same day registration at the festival will be $35, so register soon. There are fees to camp at Roger's (and a small day fee for day visitors), but sharing campsites can help reduce this expense. To post about sharing, post in the PorcFest Lodging Forum.
So it looks like you still need to buy a day pass from Rogers Campground if you are just going for the day.
So if I don't buy a PorcFest ticket, I would not be attending porcfest, I would just be a seasonal customer at Rogers Campground, and porcs would treat me with respect and courtesy at all times. I have never made an agreement with the FSP, and never will.
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No, It doesn't and it never has. If you don't stay in the campground, you need to pay $5 per day per adult.
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No, It doesn't and it never has. If you don't stay in the campground, you need to pay $5 per day per adult.
It's certainly not clear, and should be mentioned in a more conspicuous place.
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Find one place on this page that mentions a fee:
http://porcfest.com/news/who-what-when-where-why-how
OMG! You're actually being totally serial, like Al Gore.
I guess that is technically correct, but FWIW, there is "Registration" in large lettering at the bottom of the page, front and center. If you click that (and then click another obvious registration link for some weird, bad page design reason), it takes you to the registration fees for PF.
I would say go if you want and hang out with people who don't mind you being on their campsites but don't go to any events. That's the honorable thing.
Personally, I think it's better if people come than not, even if they don't register. Pumps up the numbers and makes for more fun overall.
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No, It doesn't and it never has. If you don't stay in the campground, you need to pay $5 per day per adult.
It's certainly not clear, and should be mentioned in a more conspicuous place.
You cannot bring your car into the campground without paying a fee unless you stop your car and remove the barrier. You have to go up to the clerk and once you pay the clerk, you will be given permission to bring your car into the campground.
This has always been the policy. It's Roger's policy and on the website. I understand it is possible that 200-300 people that have never been to Porcfest may attend this year. They have the ability to go to the Roger's campground website. They should take that opportunity. I know I always explore all aspects of a campground website before I camp at the campground.
It's true, there will be a few off site folks that won't be sleeping at the campground. They should also check the campground website. I doubt any of the people that decided to attend porcfest without a lot of planning will be shocked or upset if they find that there is a $5 per day fee for those that don't stay at the campground.
There is also a $5 per day fee for adults after the first 2 on a campsite. I've had to pay that fee at least two years. It is a small and reasonable fee when you consider all of the services being offered.
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Personally, I think it's better if people come than not, even if they don't register. Pumps up the numbers and makes for more fun overall.
Personally, I like the idea of the head porcfest organizer shooting himself in the foot.
Are you allowed into the bigger gay dance party if you pay the $3 fee for that, but don't register for porcfest?
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OK, you guys have convinced me.
If I go to porcfest, I will get a free ticket. I am under 18 and have a shire society ID to prove it.
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If I go to porcfest, I will get a free ticket. I am under 18 and have a shire society ID to prove it.
:lol:
Awesome bait to the FK trolls.
Seriously, though... stealing and fraud are both still Bad Things. Even if you really don't like the person or organization you are staling from.
And yes, coming to Roger's the weekend of the 25th and going to any, any of the events, talks, displays, bands, etc, is just stealing, same way sneaking into a theater or concert is stealing.
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um, so why wouldn't it be a good idea to take your family?
Because it is being run by a bunch of douche bags who want to turn it into a party.
Muppet, dude. Kate and Sharon have a crazy amount of kid stuff planned for Fest. This one will be way more family-oriented than ever.
I heard something about that but I didn't really know any of the details. My comments were not referencing them. I was under the impression that the reason any of that happened at all is because they just took the initiative to do this after people's frustration with past years where such things were more of an afterthought.
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Why is it that every time issues like this come up my stance is totally different than everyone else?
1. Don't be a cheap fucker.
2. If you're a cheap fucker, don't attend events you didn't pay for. A campsite isn't an event. You pay for that yourself anyway.
Another possible alternative if your main issue is dealing directly with FSP people or the "FSP organization" -
Give someone on site who is a friend of yours the thirty bucks when you show up. Someone who is involved directly with PF. Sign no paperwork, agree to nothing. Just hand thirty bux over to someone you trust to get it to the right people.
That might be a decent compromise if the actual money isn't the issue.
And for the record, we aren't going to PF this year because of unstable finances. (My wife's contract is currently week to week at this point.) I would qualify as a cheap fucker right now, technically. Sometimes there's a legit reason to be a cheap fucker. However, if a person can afford to get to NH with gas prices how they are right now, I can't imagine how thirty bones is a huge hardship to manage.
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I must not have gotten the memo. My take on a free society didn't include free rides.
I don't get it. You and Blackie shout from the rooftops that you wouldn't carry your own freight and then tell us that we lost the pleasure of your presence?
Well shoot.
Show me where I said I wouldn't carry my freight. I responded to the collectivist notion not participating in a collective was some sort of crime.
weight-->freight (???)
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No, It doesn't and it never has. If you don't stay in the campground, you need to pay $5 per day per adult.
It's certainly not clear, and should be mentioned in a more conspicuous place.
And if so, being the property owner's rule, wouldn't be a problem.
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Because the organisers have invested time and money into the organising of Porcfest, the organisers. Sort of like a club who have a cover charge. Or a concert or party in a rented venue. You are stealing the services provided to make the party or entertainment happen. The fee is part of the deal. It was agreed to beforehand. Sovereign Curtis and the other organisers held up their end forthright and honest, a freedom loving person would suggest the participants show the same respect. In other words anybody that showed up and claimed fraud that there was a fee would be a liar. Anyone who sneaked in would be a thief. They mention the fee up front in every add.
Dude...read this back to yourself. This smells of collectivist "social contract" bullshit.
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If I go to porcfest, I will get a free ticket. I am under 18 and have a shire society ID to prove it.
:lol:
Awesome bait to the FK trolls.
Seriously, though... stealing and fraud are both still Bad Things. Even if you really don't like the person or organization you are staling from.
And yes, coming to Roger's the weekend of the 25th and going to any, any of the events, talks, displays, bands, etc, is just stealing, same way sneaking into a theater or concert is stealing.
Dude. It's TRESPASSING if you violate the OWNER'S rules of entering the property, and THEY can eject you. In rented space, the renter can eject you. There's no stealing involved.
The easy solution for the collectivists who are paranoid of free riders is to print out venue passes for paid participants. Counterfeiting those would be fraud, which I predict most free riders would not commit (Once again, I never said *I* would not be a free rider--I said the collectivist propaganda spewed by a few of you stinks, and I don't much like going some place for the purpose of being around collectivists; rather, I thought the idea was quite the reverse.)
added strikethrough--"not" should not have been there
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Because the organisers have invested time and money into the organising of Porcfest, the organisers. Sort of like a club who have a cover charge. Or a concert or party in a rented venue. You are stealing the services provided to make the party or entertainment happen. The fee is part of the deal. It was agreed to beforehand. Sovereign Curtis and the other organisers held up their end forthright and honest, a freedom loving person would suggest the participants show the same respect. In other words anybody that showed up and claimed fraud that there was a fee would be a liar. Anyone who sneaked in would be a thief. They mention the fee up front in every add.
Dude...read this back to yourself. This smells of collectivist "social contract" bullshit.
If you Voluntarily come to my house I will have to charge you 50 cents in silver per day to cover costs. Please note this before you fly all the way over here.
If I made the deal beforehand and above board how is this collectivist? If I tricked you into coming then charged you something, that would be fraud.
In other words, because they are fairly fucking clear that there is a fucking fee for those that voluntarily go to the fucking festable it is free market. I can not for the life of me see how a fucking above board voluntary exchange is collectivist at all.
Collectivism is forcing people to pay for things they don't choose for themselves.
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There is only one FSP. There has always been only one FSP. Why say NH FSP when there is no other FSP nor any effort to create another FSP.
Perhaps it is wrong to post stuff here but you did make it an open group, meaning you wanted everyone that wanted to read the info to be able to read the info. Make it a closed group or even a secret group if you are actually concerned about others reading. I'll make sure to only copy and paste sections of what you post to the group in the future and not the entire comments.
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Fort Freedom http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/drama-in-the-free-state/4440/ here is the link that will take you to the FTL page where our stuff was posted...
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...When we as a group have decided whether or not we would like to invite the rest of the world to our movement by broadcasting on FTL WE WILL DO IT. It is not your place to talk a...bout anything other than your own shit, unless of course you were asked about it, in which case you were not! and as far as us having little to no support...we just got started a week ago you condescending jerk and unlike the loud ass state of civil disobedience that you live in MANY of our members choose to remain anonymous online and go thru me directly and in person for our planning and organization. So thank you for verifying that our decentralization is throwing off our guesstimated numbers so that even the police state doesnt know how many we have but FUCK YOU for running your mouth about shit you dont know and never even attempted to contact me directly about to educate yourself before you sounded like a dumbass to the entire online world. -Momma Ally
Sorry, but by making it an open group you actually encouraged people to look up and and learn everything you were posting. Maybe you made it an open group my mistake?
Posting something in an open group on Facebook isn't anonymous. Heck, posting something is a secret group on FB isn't anonymous either. The police have access to everything you post on facebook, including stuff you put in a secret group if they want. If you don't want the police to know something, don't put it on FB.
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Militia alert in TN?
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...had a great conversation with a locally oragnized militia of sorts last night that are on the buckle down and defend front already. Already armed and ready to go when the shit goes down. I am considering bringing them in to handle the forts security...
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Fort Freedom
Already armed and ready to go when the shit goes down.
Somehow this doesn't look like it's going to end well for anyone involved.
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Fort Freedom
Already armed and ready to go when the shit goes down.
Somehow this doesn't look like it's going to end well for anyone involved.
No shit.
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Because the organisers have invested time and money into the organising of Porcfest, the organisers. Sort of like a club who have a cover charge. Or a concert or party in a rented venue. You are stealing the services provided to make the party or entertainment happen. The fee is part of the deal. It was agreed to beforehand. Sovereign Curtis and the other organisers held up their end forthright and honest, a freedom loving person would suggest the participants show the same respect. In other words anybody that showed up and claimed fraud that there was a fee would be a liar. Anyone who sneaked in would be a thief. They mention the fee up front in every add.
Dude...read this back to yourself. This smells of collectivist "social contract" bullshit.
If you Voluntarily come to my house I will have to charge you 50 cents in silver per day to cover costs. Please note this before you fly all the way over here.
Your house, your rules. Nevertheless, it would be unlikely for me to enter the home of someone so petty.
If I made the deal beforehand and above board how is this collectivist? If I tricked you into coming then charged you something, that would be fraud.
In other words, because they are fairly fucking clear that there is a fucking fee for those that voluntarily go to the fucking festable it is free market. I can not for the life of me see how a fucking above board voluntary exchange is collectivist at all.
What makes it collectivist is your attachment of "we" and "us" to Roger's property. Capiche? Any individual who doesn't want someone on his rented site, could eject that person, but you don't get to put on a collectivist hat and make that decision for everyone else. "They," and "we" don't get to make rules for individuals--not unless they rent out all of Roger's. Your insistence that "they" do makes you a collectivist. The distinction is where you collectivist pricks decide for everyone else, who pays his way, what his rules are.
Collectivism is forcing people to pay for things they don't choose for themselves.
You have simply chosen a narrow view of collectivism here that only applies to forcing people to pay for things. Last I checked, force on the part of the FSP was not discussed. Accusations of "theft" and "fraud" toward "freeloaders" were.
what their rules are --> what his rules are,
clarifications...
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There is only one FSP. There has always been only one FSP. Why say NH FSP when there is no other FSP nor any effort to create another FSP.
ad nauseam...
How about 50 free state projects? Competition is good, even if it started from bad blood.
It's starting to become clear who some of the collectivists pretending to be libertarian are around here.
For the record, I'm not exactly a big fan of Momma Ally either, since she jumped bail, and got involved in the other scandals etc. I liked what she was doing with the food thing, though.
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Of all the people on this board to call me petty, Mr. No longer a amplifier because Ian wouldn't be his bitch.
The "They" I used was referring to the Porcfest organisers and sponsors who have legitimate say in their event. Yes I believe they earned the right to be compensated as they see fit.
I don't much like people who leach off others. It isn't collectivist it is personnel. I have had freeriders almost get me killed. And have seen people hurt badly when someone welches a deal.
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My new sig line.
There is only one FSP. There has always been only one FSP. Why say NH FSP when there is no other FSP nor any effort to create another FSP.
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There is no FSP but NH, and KeithAndStuff is its prophet.
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Alaric89 should stop being a little snitch bitch.
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How about 50 free state projects? Competition is good, even if it started from bad blood.
There was talk about creating another FSP. It didn't go anywhere. There just aren't enough activists to spread out at this time. Lots of us have talked for years about dreams of spreading it to other states. If substantial liberty is realized in NH, I may even be willing to help spread it. After all, I did have quite a bit of family in ME and VT.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulville,_Texas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Wyoming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_West_Alliance
http://www.montana-alliance-for-liberty.org/
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Of all the people on this board to call me petty, Mr. No longer a amplifier because Ian wouldn't be his bitch.
The "They" I used was referring to the Porcfest organisers and sponsors who have legitimate say in their event. Yes I believe they earned the right to be compensated as they see fit.
I don't much like people who leach off others. It isn't collectivist it is personnel. I have had freeriders almost get me killed. And have seen people hurt badly when someone welches a deal.
The THEY isn't Roger's, or an individual who paid for a camp site. Stop pretending to miss that point, collectivist.
As for the first part, fuckwad, I stopped amping, and told them why. I stopped voluntarily investing in something I believed was going in the wrong direction, and told them why. In other words, instead of acting like a collectivist bitch and using words like "thief" and "fraud," I simply withdrew financial support. This is something like a free market approach--you know the thing you only pretend to believe in.
Frankly, since then, times have gotten tough for me financially, so I won't be AMPing, even though the show has, in the months since, improved on the issues I brought up. Therefore, it is reasonable for me to change my avatar, which I'm doing now. I probably will AMP again in the future, as it happens.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulville,_Texas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Wyoming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_West_Alliance
http://www.montana-alliance-for-liberty.org/
pwnt
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Alaric89 should stop being a little snitch bitch.
a. I was one of the victims this time.
b. Call me Al.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulville,_Texas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Wyoming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_West_Alliance
http://www.montana-alliance-for-liberty.org/
pwnt
Keith seems to have a genetic inability to refrain from overstating his case and padding it with lies. I don't particularly enjoy calling him out on it.
The dude is fairly cool IRL which is why I get so fucking pissed off at him when he bullshits people online. He knows better than to lie and knows perfectly well that he is lying.
Very frustrating.
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Of all the people on this board to call me petty, Mr. No longer a amplifier because Ian wouldn't be his bitch.
The "They" I used was referring to the Porcfest organisers and sponsors who have legitimate say in their event. Yes I believe they earned the right to be compensated as they see fit.
I don't much like people who leach off others. It isn't collectivist it is personnel. I have had freeriders almost get me killed. And have seen people hurt badly when someone welches a deal.
The THEY isn't Roger's, or an individual who paid for a camp site. Stop pretending to miss that point, collectivist.
LOL O.k o.k. you win.
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Of all the people on this board to call me petty, Mr. No longer a amplifier because Ian wouldn't be his bitch.
The "They" I used was referring to the Porcfest organisers and sponsors who have legitimate say in their event. Yes I believe they earned the right to be compensated as they see fit.
I don't much like people who leach off others. It isn't collectivist it is personnel. I have had freeriders almost get me killed. And have seen people hurt badly when someone welches a deal.
The THEY isn't Roger's, or an individual who paid for a camp site. Stop pretending to miss that point, collectivist.
LOL O.k o.k. you win.
LOL, fuck you too.
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I think you have anger issues Ken. Here's a kitten.
(http://draconigena.vgb.no/files/2010/06/kitten_01.jpg)
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I think you have anger issues Ken. Here's a kitten.
Stop pretending that "O.k. o.k., I was wrong" isn't a message system substitute for "Fuck you. I was wrong and I'm too much of a bitch to admit it, so I'm just going to be sarcastic and hope everyone forgets."
Lest you forget people were called frauds and thieves, and people who don't even plan to attend were grouped in with them simply because they disagreed with a point of view...also collectivism.
Let --> Lest
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(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/popcorn.gif)
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The dude is fairly cool IRL which is why I get so fucking pissed off at him when he bullshits people online. He knows better than to lie and knows perfectly well that he is lying.
I went swimming with him today even.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulville,_Texas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Wyoming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_West_Alliance
http://www.montana-alliance-for-liberty.org/
Don't forget about the Christian State Project in SC, Momma Ally's TN Takeover and this group, https://www.facebook.com/southeastlibertyproject .
A lot of people have been inspired by the FSP and are copying some of the ideas. I think it's great and I'm flattered. However, the FSP leadership doesn't want (or at least the majority of the leadership), doesn't want to official spread to other states at this time.
It is possible that at some point in the future the FSP leadership will decide to spread to other states. So if you are really interested in there being one more than FSP state, you don't have to give up on that idea ;) I guess that is what your getting at, it's hard to tell. But unless the FSP claims it through a board vote that changes the mission/goals of the FSP, the FSP cannot focus on any state except NH.
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I don't understand how you don't realize how dumb you look right now.
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The dude is fairly cool IRL
Keith is a lot more than "fairly" cool.
He's one of the coolest people I've met, FSP or otherwise.
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The dude is fairly cool IRL
Keith is a lot more than "fairly" cool.
He's one of the coolest people I've met, FSP or otherwise.
Doesn't stop him from being the Minister of FSP Propaganda and a giant fucking liar on the interwebs though.
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I don't understand how you don't realize how dumb you look right now.
Um, OK. It seems like we disagree on something. Perhaps I consider the FSP the FSP and you consider the FSP any group of people that are into creating a massive migration for political liberty or something.
It's cool that we are able to disagree, you don't have to be so rude about it though. Dude, have a beer and chill. Come to Porcfest, I'll get you one.
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I don't understand how you don't realize how dumb you look right now.
And now you are experiencing the enigma that is Keith. Welcome to the club.
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Um, OK. It seems like we disagree on something.
Yes. You said a thing that was incorrect. I corrected you and then you denied reality.
Perhaps I consider the FSP the FSP and you consider the FSP any group of people that are into creating a massive migration for political liberty or something.
Any group that calls itself "Free State X" is "Free State X". There is a Free State Wyoming. Even if it is one jackoff sitting in a field by himself posting to a blog, which it isn't. You flat out denied the existence of other organizations calling themselves "Free State X" and you are incorrect. Stop talking about it because you look like a damned fool. Keith doesn't get to create a reality that contradicts the rest of reality without looking like a fool or a liar. You are incorrect.
If I for some insane reason decided to start "Free State Project: Michigan", I could, and it'd exist with just as much reality as FSP: NH.
It's cool that we are able to disagree, you don't have to be so rude about it though.
I don't get rude until you say really dumb shit several times and ignore reality.
Dude, have a beer and chill.
I don't drink alcohol.
Come to Porcfest, I'll get you one.
I am not coming to Porcfest this year.
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Also, Cascadia. Its like, a hunnert-fifty years old.
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Also, Cascadia. Its like, a hunnert-fifty years old.
Wow, no shit! Even has its own Wikipedia page.
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Also, Cascadia. Its like, a hunnert-fifty years old.
Wow, no shit! Even has its own Wikipedia page.
Cascadia is actually how I found out about the FSP back in 2002.
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Richard Onley, a disgruntled activist that moved to NH for a while, though he never officially joined the FSP, he did join the TN Take Over group on facebook. I'm not sure if he is planning to be part of the army that TN Take Over is trying to create or not. Unfortunately, he said 100% wrong information about NH and is giving false hope about TN. I wonder if he will move to TN. He likely doesn't owe anyone money there.
The NH zeitgeist is one of lazy, irresponsible, bragging hedonism--hope you can do better in TN. I'd say start with Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals." I hate his politics, but his techniques are widely applicable, and brilliantly conceived.
Then he goes on to recommend horrible actions and activities that I certainly don't want to be associated. I'm glad he is pushing that stuff to folks in TN and not folks in NH.
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good fucking luck with any free state activity in tennesse, alabama, georgia, mississippi.
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He likely doesn't owe anyone money there.
I can think of a lot of criticisms of Richard (his temper is atrocious and he's left a trail of junk behind him for landlords to deal with wherever he's stayed for instance) but I have no knowledge of him ever defaulting on debts. He's always been a pay-up-front kind of guy and the times I was owed money by him, I never stressed it and he always squared up. Never heard anyone else complain of him owing money either. Did he owe your household money when he left?
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He likely doesn't owe anyone money there.
I can think of a lot of criticisms of Richard (his temper is atrocious and he's left a trail of junk behind him for landlords to deal with wherever he's stayed for instance) but I have no knowledge of him ever defaulting on debts. He's always been a pay-up-front kind of guy and the times I was owed money by him, I never stressed it and he always squared up. Never heard anyone else complain of him owing money either. Did he owe your household money when he left?
kudos to you Dale for sticking up for a guy you know... that may be unpopular..
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I have quite a few relatives in TN. I visit in summer prob a couple of times a year.
These people fancy themselves rebels and survivors who "dont take no shit from nobody!"
Listen to the Hank Williams Jr. song Country Boy Can Survive and you'll get a pretty good idea how they imagine themselves if the SHTF or the police go apeshit with some police state action. Fact is, they are just like anyone else in reality. No different. They act all survivalistic and all that shit....."we can skin a buck n' run a trout line", but they freak the fuck out, just like anyone else when their satellite dish loses signal.
I'm not saying this like im looking down on them or anything, but dont get any illusions about them being any different than anyone else.
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I don't have any - they're cool.
I'm living with arkansawyers!
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I don't have any - they're cool.
I'm living with arkansawyers!
Today's Arkansawyers. Mean, mean pride.
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I can think of a lot of criticisms of Richard (his temper is atrocious and he's left a trail of junk behind him for landlords to deal with wherever he's stayed for instance) but I have no knowledge of him ever defaulting on debts.
That's the issue right there. He left stuff, lied about it and then refused to talk about it. If he repaid the people for disposing of it then he wouldn't owe a debt related to it. He has never paid that debt and refuses to talk about his debt.
Advice to everyone in TN, Richard isn't a bad person, but if he tries to rent from you, I'd make him pay 2 months rent up front (1st and last) and a security deposit. That way, if he tries to rip you off, it will be harder for him to do it.
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I don't have any - they're cool.
I'm living with arkansawyers!
Today's Arkansawyers. Mean, mean pride.
today/s tom sawyer-
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Also, Cascadia. Its like, a hunnert-fifty years old.
Wow, no shit! Even has its own Wikipedia page.
Cascadia is actually how I found out about the FSP back in 2002.
Is it? I can't get too far into it because they seem a bit like loonybirds, online. The boots-on-the-ground people.
I'd like to know the upper-tier people, though.
And due to the Western prevalence and societal nature, they're probly a lot of quasi-socialist granola. (I hate like hell to throw blankets, but thats the vibe I get)
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Also, Cascadia. Its like, a hunnert-fifty years old.
Wow, no shit! Even has its own Wikipedia page.
Cascadia is actually how I found out about the FSP back in 2002.
Is it? I can't get too far into it because they seem a bit like loonybirds, online. The boots-on-the-ground people.
I'd like to know the upper-tier people, though.
And due to the Western prevalence and societal nature, they're probly a lot of quasi-socialist granola. (I hate like hell to throw blankets, but thats the vibe I get)
Not all the westerners (particularly southwestern) are socialist granola types, but I did see that sort of prevalence between, say Oregon and BC.
Outside of the Boulder-Vail corridore, and of course, downtown Denver, Colorado's refreshingly non-leftist.
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ROFLMAO
http://nh.porcupine411.com/2011/06/15/audio-message-from-wireless-caller-6037381294-5/
The guy who was cussing out the FSPers for not getting him a job is back, making nice-nice.
Is there an opening at the KAC?
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Were your ears burning, FSP? (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23918.msg266902#msg266902)
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I know you didn't mean it this way, but it's a good time to remind people about collectives/collectivism. Human beings are not bees, which all live in the same hive and have a hive mind. They don't all think the same way, or the way you think they do. Jessie Jackson is not the emperor of black people, Dalebert does not think identically to other homosexuals, FSP project members don't all agree with each other, ad nauseam. Even seasoned liberty lovers and individualists often fall back into the lazy thinking in collectivist terms from time to time. In fact, it seems liberty lovers don't agree on anything, including what to call themselves.
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You're right. I didn't mean it that way. You didn't listen to it, I take it. We spent about an hour on the FSP, the first hour of the show, which works out to about 40 mins without commercials.
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You're right. I didn't mean it that way. You didn't listen to it, I take it. We spent about an hour on the FSP, the first hour of the show, which works out to about 40 mins without commercials.
Yeah, that's why I didn't want it to come across as pointed at you, even though what you posted made me think of it. I really didn't know whether your show went that way or not, but I frequently hear a lot of collectivist talk from people who should know better, which is why I mentioned it.
Incidentally, it looks like you have fodder for your next show.
UN backs gay rights for first time ever (AP) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110617/ap_on_re_us/un_un_gay_rights)
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UN backs gay rights for first time ever (AP) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110617/ap_on_re_us/un_un_gay_rights)
...and they credited the Obama administration's push for gay rights at home and abroad.
*groan* Yeah, I better talk about that.
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UN backs gay rights for first time ever (AP) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110617/ap_on_re_us/un_un_gay_rights)
...and they credited the Obama administration's push for gay rights at home and abroad.
*groan* Yeah, I better talk about that.
That's why I chose the word "fodder."
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Looks like a lot of planning went into Burning Porc. Maybe they should change the name to smoldering porc.
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23977.msg267248;topicseen#msg267248
Burning Porcupine starts tomorrow (June29, 2011} see www.burningporcupine.com
Burning Porcupine Festival began as both a protest of the FSP holding Porcfest at Gunstock and an introduction to Grafton.
As P'fest has moved back to Rogers and Burning Porcupine Festival's sponsor returned to P'fest, Burning Porcupine Festival is now an introduction to Grafton and an opportunity for folks that didn't make it to P'fest to get together and, for folks who went to P'fest and wished it (the hanging out part) didn't end. --LloydBob
The name is a parody of an event called Burning Man, with the vague intention for it to be a really wild party kind of like that. Instead it actually tends to be really laid back and not that freaky at all other than there are a shitload of anarchists hanging out by a campfire, hatin' on the gooberment, eating, drinking, smoking and generally having a good time. There are events, but one similarity is that Burning Porcupine is largely not a regimented and scheduled event. The participants bring to it whatever they want and that's what shapes it. --Dalebert
The event is held at the Hoyt farm in Grafton. Google Maps-- Hoyt road, Grafton NH for directions.
Primitive camping-- no electric, wifi or water hookups, but the rates are better than Rogers (FREE)
There are no motels in Grafton, so if tents are not your thing bring an RV.
Come to Grafton
It's not the middle of nowhere, but you can see it from here.
What happens in Grafton stays in Grafton.
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While the freak-staters tout Grafton as a destination....
the "inside the system" FSPers in Grafton have won more spots in local town government than anywhere else in NH.
What do you bet the freaks take credit for the continued lack of zoning in 2 years' time?
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!! BREAKING NEWS !!
About 9 mins into this video, a liberty activist expresses a sense of responsibility for providing for his own livelihood! We gotta make a sound bite out of that and put it somewhere prominent for new movers to see.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB_JiWKgpPw[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB_JiWKgpPw
P.S. Derrick procured a job almost immediately after arriving and a second job shortly thereafter.
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Starts at 9:33?
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So did he not know about the rule against filming in the lobby? It seems strange that he wouldn't know that, if he didn't. That's the kinda thing you should know before you start filming in the lobby. Oh well, at least more people (maybe?) know about the rule now.
It's not that I agree with the rule, but that's kinda of how stuff works. You study up on something like this.
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It's not that I agree with the rule, but that's kinda of how stuff works. You study up on something like this.
Millions of words of laws on the books just in NH and federal laws blow that away.
GET BUSY READING!
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It's not that I agree with the rule, but that's kinda of how stuff works. You study up on something like this.
Millions of words of laws on the books just in NH and federal laws blow that away.
GET BUSY READING!
You don't need to know all the laws, just the ones that apply to you.
Anyway, I don't have a problem not getting arrested. If you are getting arrested all the time because you don't know the laws, you are doing something wrong.
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Everybody does things that might get them in trouble with the law.
Some people honestly don't realize they are violating a statute, and cops act thuggish and arrest them.
Some self-described "liberty activists" intentionally do things that common sense would suggest might violate statute, are confrontational (or passive-aggressive) with the cop, and then act surprised when they get arrested.
The latter group feel passionately that they are on the front lines working for freedom.
They are not, however.
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act surprised when they get arrested.
Key word emphasized.
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Well in this case there really is nothing. They are arbitrarily arresting people for something that's not against the law and they haven't been able to show a law or even an order that's signed by a real person with the authority to impose an order.
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Arbitrarily, as in
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arbitrarily
3. Established by a court or judge rather than by a specific law or statute:
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Anyone who thinks they know what laws apply to them is a fool.
http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx
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Everybody does things that might get them in trouble with the law.
Some people honestly don't realize they are violating a statute, and cops act thuggish and arrest them.
Some self-described "liberty activists" intentionally do things that common sense would suggest might violate statute, are confrontational (or passive-aggressive) with the cop, and then act surprised when they get arrested.
The latter group feel passionately that they are on the front lines working for freedom.
They are not, however.
It is in this context that "passive-aggressive" is bullshit. If they were minding their own business instead of fucking with people trying to be free, there would be NO aggression of ANY kind. The suggestion that the VICTIM of the aggression is being (passively) aggressive is the seed of the state's bullshit WRT "victimless crimes."
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=23083.msg337034#msg337034
Chris Lopez has fractured her spine
Her deck collapsed and she was airlifted to Mass General. She's in surgery now.
--insert joke about how it should have been Seth here--
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Chris Lopez has fractured her spine
--insert joke about how it should have been Seth here--
That's rude, man.
I like Seth and Chris both.\
People with a sense of compassion are invited to help:
http://garthwaite.chipin.com/chris-lopez
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Dennis, did you forget that this is the sandbox for trolls?
Compassion? You'll find more at /b/.
This whole thread is devoted to ridiculing others.
/that said, I feel for Seth and Chris. I hope she doesn't have permanent damage. I heard that the spine wasn't severed, and am waiting with bated breath for updates.
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Chris Lopez has fractured her spine
--insert joke about how it should have been Seth here--
That's rude, man.
I like Seth and Chris both.
As you can tell, I don't like Seth, so I make jokes about him. Seth doesn't like me, so he tries to get me arrested. Seth is a dick. His wife getting hurt doesn't change that.
If I had to choose Chris or Seth getting hurt, I would pick Seth.
When Pat McCotter had brain aneurysm, I made a joke about Seth on NHunderground. That is what got me banned there.
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I would have donated if Seth wasn't such a cunt.
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I honestly wish you could see firsthand how much Seth has done to reduce the size & scope of NH government. He's truly in his own element there, and I am sure will gladly attest to that when he is finally NOT dealing with the immediate life-changing trauma and someday catches up on this thread.
In your case blackie, I think he acted (likely even over-reacted) to a perceived threat that was either not there, not credible, or both. Er, neither. Yeah.
Anyway... believe it or not, Seth has pulled the NH House Republicans farther toward Libertarianism than some ostensible libertarians who've been there for decades.
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In your case blackie, I think he acted (likely even over-reacted) to a perceived threat that was either not there, not credible, or both. Er, neither. Yeah.
So, if you're not a Freak Stater you can get away with anything? I see.
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I hope Ms. Lopez will be OK.
Dennis, did you forget that this is the sandbox for trolls?
Compassion? You'll find more at /b/.
This whole thread is devoted to ridiculing others.
/that said, I feel for Seth and Chris. I hope she doesn't have permanent damage. I heard that the spine wasn't severed, and am waiting with bated breath for updates.
Sometimes things are serious enough where saying negative stuff is in bad taste. However I appreciate the honesty in a way. As big a dick as I think Dennis can be, I never read him wishing harm to any of the "Freak Staters" which has earned him a bit of respect from my end.
As for the "sandbox" thing- the ruthless honesty of this board has a tendency to put forth a collective conclusion on many difficult arguments that predate a lot of libertarian talking heads. My point being, if you are willing to take the occasional whack from a plastic beach spade, this BBS puts one on a correct track. Also even though the board is basically disowned I have heard people on the different podcasts using arguments, points and gags almost verbatim that I noticed on this BBS a couple days earlier.
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Also even though the board is basically disowned I have heard people on the different podcasts using arguments, points and gags almost verbatim that I noticed on this BBS a couple days earlier.
You're welcome. :-P
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http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5238.msg53940#msg53940
I also am generally happy to accept barter, although at this time I am uninterested in any illegal drugs--they are of no use to me, and I don't care to sell them, and I don't know enough to judge quality or market value.
:lol:
Sounds like a lot of porcs are growing.
Well we can blame good eating for that.
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That wouldn't surprise me. The problem with the black/free market is that you have to find goods that people are looking to buy from non-state sanctioned sources. Drugs and other illegal and borderline legal goods are pretty much the only thing that I would think to buy from a black market source.
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Black market trading will become more possible as more diverse traders come into a given market. As the State gets more and more insane, a back up system will become more vital.
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Black market trading will become more possible as more diverse traders come into a given market. As the State gets more and more insane, a back up system will become more vital.
Yeah, but right now...not so much. Has anyone looked at the selection of legal goods on the Silk Road market? It's pretty much nonexistent. What does exist (mostly rocks when I looked) is overpriced compared to the non-black market alternatives.
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overpriced compared to the non-black market alternatives.
YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND TEH AGORA!!!
WE QARE USING THEIR OWN SYSTEM AGAINST THEM!!!!
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I think the whole black market/agorist idea is idiotic.
There is very little possibility of the black market actually collapsing the the state. The state doesn't need to control all of the economy. They just need to control vital sectors of the economy. You have some countries where the government is stable and firmly in power where the black market is something like 60% of the total economy. The state tolerated the black market because it provided a release value. They knew they couldn't provide all the citizen's needs so they looked the other way as people got it from other sources.
No one is going to take these agorists very seriously either. They come off as a fly-by-night outfit by trying to sell the crap their kids would at summer camp.
Also, no one is making money doing this shit. The only market they have are other people in the liberty movement who are buying this shit more to support the cause than because they are offering a product people want. How many of these agorists can't even pay their own bills. They all have to have a legal defense fund when they get arrested for one of their asinine protests.
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Agorism in reality is just tax and license avoidance. You really can't derive huge amounts of income from your activities without coming under suspicion of some government agency. It's just not practical. So in most cases, especially if you decline to transact in US dollars, you're setting yourself up for a limited amount of money coming in.
Having a shitty business idea is still going to lead to failure under Agorism. Some people just don't have the knack. Lots of business ventures flopped at Porc Fest.
But yes, if your idea involves only transacting with people in the liberty movement, it's probably not going to go too well with you. Limited customers, and people are just not willing to spend much money. Mostly because they choose to not make enough money themselves to be customers of your products.
Needless to say, 95% of my income is from general public business activities. The money I make each year from within the liberty movement is a small pittance.
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If some sort of "eat the dog" scenario occurs it would be nice to have a alternative market hidden from idiot authorities to get people by. I never thought of it as activism more like insurance.
I guess organised crime does this sort of thing the best anyway.
I'm still going to do agorism anyway, but I'm going to play both leagel and black like BJ. In Norway many successful black marketeers were imprisoned for having too much money.
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I never thought of it as activism more like insurance.
That's how I've tended to look at it. The criticisms of current endeavors are pretty accurate. Mostly it's a case of not so great business plans to begin with and trying to make money strictly from within the liberty movement which just isn't big enough right now to sustain much. It's economic cannibalism. No ones going to make any money of note unless they market to outside of liberty activists, and that's going to mean some degree of legitimacy.
I see agorism as having a bigger role, not as activism but simply as survival, as it gets harder and harder to function within the white market and stay profitable, or just nigh impossible to start a new business all while the giants start falling. I think we're getting there.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303661904576454353768550280.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-ceo-steve-wynn-conference-call-transcript-obama-2011-7
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Epic drama on the free keene forum
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5348.0
Meh.
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Tim should come here instead, he would fit right in.
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What does everybody got against this Tim fellow?
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What does everybody got against this Tim fellow?
Troll
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What does everybody got against this Tim fellow?
Troll
He doesnt behave like a troll, just looks like one.
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The black market for weed exists in every state. The "free state" has some of the worst laws in the country as far as weed goes. Moving to NH to become a drug dealer seems like a bad idea.
The gentleman in Colorado agrees.
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Jokes don't seem funny when they are about you.
Or when they've been said 100+ times. Also, they're not about me and I don't find them funny.
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What does everybody got against this Tim fellow?
Troll
He doesnt behave like a troll, just looks like one.
No harm meant by this, just being silly. I've never spoken online nor seen Tim, I barely read any comments from the link either.
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I honestly wish you could see firsthand how much Seth has done to reduce the size & scope of NH government. He's truly in his own element there, and I am sure will gladly attest to that when he is finally NOT dealing with the immediate life-changing trauma and someday catches up on this thread.
In your case blackie, I think he acted (likely even over-reacted) to a perceived threat that was either not there, not credible, or both. Er, neither. Yeah.
Anyway... believe it or not, Seth has pulled the NH House Republicans farther toward Libertarianism than some ostensible libertarians who've been there for decades.
I had Jaime donate because I didn't want my evil freakstater money rejected.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxKrFNSTzdA[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxKrFNSTzdA
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxKrFNSTzdA[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxKrFNSTzdA
Bunk bed, helmet, lack of chairs, orcs, oompa loompahs?
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Hey guess what bitches, my girlfriend is officially calling herself a Voluntaryist now. Suck it!
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Hey guess what bitches, my girlfriend is officially calling herself a Voluntaryist now. Suck it!
Does she voluntarily give free blowjobs?
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Hey guess what bitches, my girlfriend is officially calling herself a Voluntaryist now. Suck it!
Does she voluntarily give free blowjobs?
To this man of course.
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Everyone else must pay
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Everyone else must pay
Of course, through the nose.
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So, is there any Ian incarceration-related drama yet?
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Yeah, for a short time. Even at 42 one can be "played". However, that is only relevant in that I was yet another sucker in a line of many who fell for Curtis' game. I was warned by his previous roommate Rocco but didn't believe him as I thought he was just saying that because his feelings were hurt. I was wrong. I didn't go to Porcfest to avoid any potential drama that might reflect badly on the FSP, etc. But hearing that the most often-heard comment about him (by vendors and those involved with putting it on) was "Fucking Curtis" caused me to regret not coming forward with my criticisms a year ago. But that is really no longer necessary as he has burned bridges everywhere. Burning metaphorical bridges is better than burning my house down, which he threatened to do.
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So, is there any Ian incarceration-related drama yet?
I heard he's working on making a really sweet chess set, carved out of the finest New Hampshire Granite that he could get his hands on. Of course, he'll also need a little jewlers pick to do the carving.
Pressure and time..................
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Yeah, for a short time. Even at 42 one can be "played". However, that is only relevant in that I was yet another sucker in a line of many who fell for Curtis' game. I was warned by his previous roommate Rocco but didn't believe him as I thought he was just saying that because his feelings were hurt. I was wrong. I didn't go to Porcfest to avoid any potential drama that might reflect badly on the FSP, etc. But hearing that the most often-heard comment about him (by vendors and those involved with putting it on) was "Fucking Curtis" caused me to regret not coming forward with my criticisms a year ago. But that is really no longer necessary as he has burned bridges everywhere. Burning metaphorical bridges is better than burning my house down, which he threatened to do.
Expand, need more content.
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Yeah, for a short time. Even at 42 one can be "played". However, that is only relevant in that I was yet another sucker in a line of many who fell for Curtis' game. I was warned by his previous roommate Rocco but didn't believe him as I thought he was just saying that because his feelings were hurt. I was wrong. I didn't go to Porcfest to avoid any potential drama that might reflect badly on the FSP, etc. But hearing that the most often-heard comment about him (by vendors and those involved with putting it on) was "Fucking Curtis" caused me to regret not coming forward with my criticisms a year ago. But that is really no longer necessary as he has burned bridges everywhere. Burning metaphorical bridges is better than burning my house down, which he threatened to do.
Damn it, now I have to PM Curtis and tell him how we are talking shit about him on the board. Hope this ʇɐoɹs character doesn't get all whiny like BJ did.
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Hope this ʇɐoɹs character doesn't get all whiny like BJ did.
Just don't take away his fleshlight
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Yeah, for a short time. Even at 42 one can be "played". However, that is only relevant in that I was yet another sucker in a line of many who fell for Curtis' game. I was warned by his previous roommate Rocco but didn't believe him as I thought he was just saying that because his feelings were hurt. I was wrong. I didn't go to Porcfest to avoid any potential drama that might reflect badly on the FSP, etc. But hearing that the most often-heard comment about him (by vendors and those involved with putting it on) was "Fucking Curtis" caused me to regret not coming forward with my criticisms a year ago. But that is really no longer necessary as he has burned bridges everywhere. Burning metaphorical bridges is better than burning my house down, which he threatened to do.
Libman did this to his profile pic too, it really doesnt disguise you at all. (http://image.bayimg.com/dajfnaadm.jpg)was
(http://bbs.freetalklive.com/user_avatars/avatar_17623.jpg)
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Yeah, for a short time. Even at 42 one can be "played". However, that is only relevant in that I was yet another sucker in a line of many who fell for Curtis' game. I was warned by his previous roommate Rocco but didn't believe him as I thought he was just saying that because his feelings were hurt. I was wrong. I didn't go to Porcfest to avoid any potential drama that might reflect badly on the FSP, etc. But hearing that the most often-heard comment about him (by vendors and those involved with putting it on) was "Fucking Curtis" caused me to regret not coming forward with my criticisms a year ago. But that is really no longer necessary as he has burned bridges everywhere. Burning metaphorical bridges is better than burning my house down, which he threatened to do.
Libman did this to his profile pic too, it really doesnt disguise you at all. (http://image.bayimg.com/dajfnaadm.jpg)was
(http://bbs.freetalklive.com/user_avatars/avatar_17623.jpg)
oooooh. I didnt realize who you were.
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...it really doesnt disguise you at all.
Using a pic of a completely different person, on the other hand...
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...it really doesnt disguise you at all.
Using a pic of a completely different person, on the other hand...
Yup.
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So, is there any Ian incarceration-related drama yet?
I heard he's working on making a really sweet chess set, carved out of the finest New Hampshire Granite that he could get his hands on. Of course, he'll also need a little jewlers pick to do the carving.
Pressure and time..................
I hear Ian is working in the jail kitchen 8 hours a day.
So he can finally say he got a "real job"... or not?
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He did say that doing "real work" was a refreshing change for him and was describing it as somewhat therapeutic.
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Keene drama. Names and avatars hidden to protect the dramatic.
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5598/kd1b.jpg)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8449/kd2q.jpg)
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4161/kd3i.jpg)
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When verifiable rumors spread about you committing force or fraud within a community, why are you surprised when you feel unwelcome?
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It's all Green Pepper's fault. Green Pepper is a drama queen.
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It's all Green Pepper's fault. Green Pepper is a drama queen.
I always thought she was too spicy.
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It's the same vibe that went on at NH Underground. People who were intolerant of anyone "less anarchist than thou" and became an insular group. Even more pronounced in "Free" Keene as the "libertarian commune" was insular in RL as well as online.
I see the FSPers with responsibilities connecting to the actual local communities, not just the other FSPers. These are the folks laying down roots and making a difference, getting involved in the wider community, planting the seeds of liberty. Generally these are folks with responsibilities: careers, families, and the like.
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:? the insanity never ends
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@Keene411 Keene Fouroneone
Adam Mueller face me like a man! -- Sent using SMS-to-email. Reply to this email to text the ... Read more at bit.ly/pxOxz5
@Keene411 Keene Fouroneone
Adam Mueller come out and play!!
Shades of The Warriors (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2312941173447863684).
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@Keene411 Keene Fouroneone
Adam Mueller face me like a man! -- Sent using SMS-to-email. Reply to this email to text the ... Read more at bit.ly/pxOxz5
@Keene411 Keene Fouroneone
Adam Mueller come out and play!!
Shades of The Warriors (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2312941173447863684).
COME OUT TO PLAAAAAAYYYYAAAAAAYY *TINGTINGTING*
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Chalking does not win hearts and minds.
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Chalking does not win hearts and minds.
[10:11:27 AM] Jay: oh god, im becoming denis goddard
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Arrested for holding a dance party:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17174353
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Arrested for holding a dance party:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17174353
How lame. An ad on a personal channel. I don't have 30 seconds to wait for a pro, non-Ridley ad.
Summary please.
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Arrested for holding a dance party:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17174353
How lame. An ad on a personal channel. I don't have 30 seconds to wait for a pro, non-Ridley ad.
Summary please.
And you have an eternity to wait for political change to happen?
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Were they looking for a Spartacus moment where everyone claims to own the equipment?
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Were they looking for a Spartacus moment where everyone claims to own the equipment?
Presumably... a bit like Ian waiting for all the activists to stand in front of the cop cars.
What's facepalm about this, is that if they'd gone to the City of Keene and paid the $5 (or whatever it is in Keene) they could have held a public gathering, with music and stuff, and probably free use of city power, too.
Doing it "without asking permission" is pretty much synonymous with doing it with the expectation of getting arrested. Then people act all shocked and indignant that there were arrests.
I'm not saying there's anything morally justifiable about so-called "public" property.
I am saying, when NH natives see stuff like this, and see the reaction of the FKers, what they take away is that they (a) do NOT identify with these people, and (b) want nothing to do with these people or whatever philosophy motivates them to do these things
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So, basically what everyone else in NH in the FSP has already said?
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the folks at the "dance party" look pretty ridiculous - I can't see how your loud mouths contribute anything to liberty.
I'm surprised about the cop's patience - you try that shit in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, etc - you'd really regret it. Pepper spray would be the least of your worries.
I really don't see the benefit to deliberately provoking the cops.
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Really, I dont care what they do.
Just curious though.
Why do they always pick goofy shit to do to protest the govt? Chalking, dancing, titty painting, etc.
Seems you would get more benefit protesting laws that actually piss off a larger percentage of the population. Normal shit, like property taxes and things of that nature. Things that piss EVERYONE off.
Hard to get any sympathy from the general public because the pigs broke up your little dance party, since MOST people dont even bother with that shit. I'm assuming thats why they do this stuff right? To get the "masses" on their side? If thats not the goal, why even bother? All the freaks are already on board with it. Mission accomplished. This is just bad PR.
I dont get it, and if I dont get it, do you really think you'll get any support from lifetime democrat/republican types?
Think about WTF you're doing.
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Why do they always pick goofy shit to do to protest the govt? Chalking, dancing, titty painting, etc.
They think that picking the more absurd rules that the government creates and breaking them, forcing the issue to the point where someone is arrested, will get people to see how insane the system is.
Say, getting arrested for picking your nose or something proves that we're in a police state.
Everyone else sees them and thinks. "Well, that's a really stupid and bizarre hill to die on."
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Why do they always pick goofy shit to do to protest the govt? Chalking, dancing, titty painting, etc.
They think that picking the more absurd rules that the government creates and breaking them, forcing the issue to the point where someone is arrested, will get people to see how insane the system is.
Say, getting arrested for picking your nose or something proves that we're in a police state.
Everyone else sees them and thinks. "Well, that's a really stupid and bizarre hill to die on."
Yup.
I have no problem using protest as a tool. Its a good thing. Just seems they are using it in a sorta childish way.
Never stir coffee with a hammer. People will think youre nuts.
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Were they looking for a Spartacus moment where everyone claims to own the equipment?
Presumably... a bit like Ian waiting for all the activists to stand in front of the cop cars.
What's facepalm about this, is that if they'd gone to the City of Keene and paid the $5 (or whatever it is in Keene) they could have held a public gathering, with music and stuff, and probably free use of city power, too.
Doing it "without asking permission" is pretty much synonymous with doing it with the expectation of getting arrested. Then people act all shocked and indignant that there were arrests.
I'm not saying there's anything morally justifiable about so-called "public" property.
I am saying, when NH natives see stuff like this, and see the reaction of the FKers, what they take away is that they (a) do NOT identify with these people, and (b) want nothing to do with these people or whatever philosophy motivates them to do these things
:roll:
Be sure and ask for permission, activists!
:shock:
:lol:
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Be sure and ask for permission, activists!
:shock:
:lol:
Reminds me of when those Tea Party people, sometime last year, cancelled their rallly because they couldn't get a city permit to protest that day. :lol:
Way to sock it to the man, guys !!!!
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http://twitter.com/keene411
Pete Eyre and Adam Mueller, you have 24 hours to take down your video of the meeting with Manchester PD or else
Not sure pete and ademo are subscribed. who is this? art thou coward?
We dont negotiate with terrorist - or atleast people who dont identify themselves. - Ademo/Pete
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http://twitter.com/keene411
Pete Eyre and Adam Mueller, you have 24 hours to take down your video of the meeting with Manchester PD or else
Not sure pete and ademo are subscribed. who is this? art thou coward?
We dont negotiate with terrorist - or atleast people who dont identify themselves. - Ademo/Pete
They did identify themselves - they were "visitor widget".
Yeah I know was lame humor attempt.
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http://www.bluehampshire.com/diary/13424/meet-the-candidates-manchesters-free-staters-and-other-friends-of-liberty
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Perhaps if you are going to run for some kind of office here in New Hampshire it might behoove you to take some time and effort to clean up your online activity. There are services that will do it for you apparently.
http://career-advice.monster.com/job-search/getting-started/clean-up-your-online-reputation/article.aspx
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Perhaps if you are going to run for some kind of office here in New Hampshire it might behoove you to take some time and effort to clean up your online activity.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ5cGYBV2TQ[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ5cGYBV2TQ
We talked about this on the last Prometheus (http://flamingfreedom.com/2011/09/25/episode-%e2%80%93-2011-sep-25th/).
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Perhaps if you are going to run for some kind of office here in New Hampshire it might behoove you to take some time and effort to clean up your online activity. There are services that will do it for you apparently.
http://career-advice.monster.com/job-search/getting-started/clean-up-your-online-reputation/article.aspx
This is why some of us become politicians and others of us just buy politicians.
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This is why some of us become politicians and others of us just buy politicians.
At $100/year, some aren't in it for the money.
Really.
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This is why some of us become politicians and others of us just buy politicians.
At $100/year, some aren't in it for the money.
Really.
you come across to me as a stuck up cunt!
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At $100/year, some aren't in it for the money.
Really.
That fails to account for the power and platform to push legislation that is personally financially beneficial, like that rep who pushed legislation to regulate hair stylists and who happened to own the only schools who could get you a NH permit to cut and style hair.
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At $100/year, some aren't in it for the money.
Really.
That fails to account for the power and platform to push legislation that is personally financially beneficial, like that rep who pushed legislation to regulate hair stylists and who happened to own the only schools who could get you a NH permit to cut and style hair.
We had that happen here not too long ago. One more taxi service was allowed a license, out of 12 applicants, in a town of 80,000 people. Guess who's MOM was on city council?
Nothing investigated, nothing questioned about it......officially that is. Nothing to see here folks......move along.
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you come across to me as a stuck up cunt!
I love you, too
That fails to account for the power and platform to push legislation
Re-check the thread; my response was in reply to:
others of us just buy politicians.
The point being, "buy" may not work for someone who's not in it for money. Doesn't mean they're "good", or uncorrupt; just not easily purchasable.
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http://cdevolution.org/topics/campaigns/free-sovereign-curtis/
(http://cdevolution.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/newspaper-2.jpg)
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Can you blame him?
Sounds smart to me.
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http://cdevolution.org/topics/campaigns/free-sovereign-curtis/
(http://cdevolution.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/newspaper-2.jpg)
Wouldn't the hurling of rotten fruits violate the NAP? Wouldn't encouraging it also be?
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No. Hurling fruit would be very funny.
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No. Hurling fruit would be very funny.
Unless it was watermelons, out of catapults.
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http://bbs.freetalklive.com/promoting-liberty/freestatenow-com/msg643887/#msg643887
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I'm sensing a little bit of pent up frustration.
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Gotta admit, it was the event that I pulled my amp for about ten months over...not because it was done, but because it was done by Ian, and blasted on freetalklive all over the world (so, not criticizing the activism, but criticizing it being woven into the show.) I thought that was counterproductive, along with the "drinking game." The reason I bring it up is that I wrote them when I did it, and they had a segment after the show telling me how wrong I was, including Mark. Seems Mark has changed his tune.
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plus, Mark has that little Quaker beard thing going.....
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So, the latest is FTL is going to hell? NO new Affiliates since Ian became Ricardo Montalbon for some lady that got arrested, the amp program is turned upside down, etc? What I do like is that Mark runs the show and I hear Ron Paul related news almost daily.
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So, the latest is FTL is going to hell? NO new Affiliates since Ian became Ricardo Montalbon for some lady that got arrested, the amp program is turned upside down, etc? What I do like is that Mark runs the show and I hear Ron Paul related news almost daily.
Mark is attempting to do the job of two people which includes from what I can tell:
Contacting Advertisers.
Making ads.
Contacting new Affiliates.
Running the BBS
Running the AMP program
Contacting Cohosts.
Show Prep
etc.
And actually putting the show on.
Living his life.
Etc.
Not very fair.
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Honestly, I think Mark is doing a great job with the show, all things considered. Externally, at least, things have continued pretty much as normal with Ian gone.
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Honestly, I think Mark is doing a great job with the show,
hear hear
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Honestly, I think Mark is doing a great job with the show,
hear hear
3rded
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Honestly, I think Mark is doing a great job with the show,
hear hear
3rded
Quartered.
No, wait, 4thed
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Honestly, I think Mark is doing a great job with the show,
hear hear
3rded
Quartered.
No, wait, 4thed
I think technically its 4thd'ed
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Reptilians discovered in teh FSP in Manchester.
REPTILIAN MORPHING WILLIAM KOSTRIC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9egRAEQCSo#)
And two more discovered along with more details if you have the patience for some way out there woo-woo stuph!
The Family EXPOSED! Who is behind it all. A MUST SEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiFtPLd93f8#)
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Oh.........shit! :o
You gotta get this out there, Dale.
Like, everywhere you can. Quit yer jerb and concentrate on this man.
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Like, everywhere you can. Quit yer jerb and concentrate on this man.
Dontchoo worry. I'm on it. I'm keeping my eye on him! You know what they say--keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
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Like, everywhere you can. Quit yer jerb and concentrate on this man.
Dontchoo worry. I'm on it. I'm keeping my eye on him! You know what they say--keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Well, just be careful out there. They're using Echilon to keep track of what you're doing. When you eat at a restaurant, make sure you bring a food taster/tester dwarf with you to make sure they're not trying to poison you.
BLACK HELICOPTERS FOREVER!!!
*fist pump*
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Like, everywhere you can. Quit yer jerb and concentrate on this man.
Dontchoo worry. I'm on it. I'm keeping my eye on him! You know what they say--keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Well, just be careful out there. They're using Echilon to keep track of what you're doing. When you eat at a restaurant, make sure you bring a food taster/tester dwarf with you to make sure they're not trying to poison you.
BLACK HELICOPTERS FOREVER!!!
*fist pump*
Hey, wait a minute! I can tell by your avatar that you're that actor the guy's exposing! You're using lighting to look different.
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Hey, wait a minute! I can tell by your avatar that you're that actor the guy's exposing! You're using lighting to look different.
Yeah? Well...............umm
(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/6/29/128907412031185825.jpg)
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Ensuing drama in 3... 2... 1...
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23193.msg272360#msg272360 (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23193.msg272360#msg272360)
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Ensuing drama in 3... 2... 1...
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23193.msg272360#msg272360 (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23193.msg272360#msg272360)
"In my view, both God and Satan are characters in fables"
You just opened up a giant can of Jesus luvin' internetz whoop ass on yourself there, Dale.
Sucks to be you man. I feel for ya.
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I'd just like to see the part in the old testament that says that the serpent in Eden was actually Satan/Lucifer/Beelzebub/Asmodeus/Mephistopheles.
Because it doesn't say that ever.
Matter of fact, God curses the serpent to slither on the ground afterward, which is why snakes have no legs. Says so explicitly.
Fucking make pretend stories that people believe are really for real annoy me and I am ashamed that I know these things.
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I'd just like to see the part in the old testament that says that the serpent in Eden was actually Satan/Lucifer/Beelzebub/Asmodeus/Mephistopheles.
Because it doesn't say that ever.
I think by default, everything bad, or tempting gets filed under Satan. Its just one of those unspoken rules.
Some poor kid gets cancer...... SATAN DID IT. Hots for the neighbors wife? ........... SATAN DID IT.
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If I believed the old testament was true, I would be a Satanist. That god as it was presented was one hell of a repugnant douchebag, and I wouldn't want to hang out for eternity with such a being or his blind followers.
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If I believed the old testament was true, I would be a Satanist.
That's essentially where I was coming from. Of course, I was careful to point out that these are fables and I simply relate to the character of Satan more than the character of God.
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http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/mother-of-3-findsway-to-get-by_2011-11-19.html (http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/mother-of-3-findsway-to-get-by_2011-11-19.html)
An evil capitalist goes the extra mile in Portland, Main.
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Portland Maine.
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Whoops. She moved from NH. Thanks BJ.
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http://lrn.fm/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Temporary-Restraining-Order-M1962309.pdf (http://lrn.fm/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Temporary-Restraining-Order-M1962309.pdf)
Looks like they complied
http://www.wmur.com/r/29954873/detail.html (http://www.wmur.com/r/29954873/detail.html)
PLYMOUTH, N.H. -- Two activists decided not to bring guns onto the campus of Plymouth State University on Friday but still brought pamphlets arguing against a school policy that prohibits guns on campus.
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http://lrn.fm/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Temporary-Restraining-Order-M1962309.pdf (http://lrn.fm/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Temporary-Restraining-Order-M1962309.pdf)
Looks like they complied
http://www.wmur.com/r/29954873/detail.html (http://www.wmur.com/r/29954873/detail.html)
PLYMOUTH, N.H. -- Two activists decided not to bring guns onto the campus of Plymouth State University on Friday but still brought pamphlets arguing against a school policy that prohibits guns on campus.
They did an amazing job today, I was very impressed!
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They did an amazing job today, I was very impressed!
[/quote]
Tommy is O.K. at best.
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Activists Decide Not To Bring Guns To University (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvyvgEX0XI#noexternalembed-ws)
Activists Call University Gun Ban Illegal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-bgROcO9s4#noexternalembed-ws)
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http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111214/NEWS/712149965 (http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111214/NEWS/712149965)
(http://www.unionleader.com/storyimage/UL/20111214/NEWS/712149965/AR/AR-712149965.jpg&q=100&maxw=350)
HAVERHILL — A temporary restraining order that would prohibit weapons on the Plymouth State University campus remains in effect following a court hearing Tuesday on whether they can be banned.
The order was made last Thursday, the day before two men planned to bring loaded firearms to the campus in protest of a policy that bans deadly weapons. Through a statement issued last week on www.FreeKeene.com (http://www.FreeKeene.com), former Epping police officer Bradley Jardis of Dover and Tommy Mozingo of Manchester announced their action to carry “unconcealed, loaded, slung rifles” in protest of what they say is an illegal ban.
On Tuesday, attorneys for PSU and Jardis and Mozingo argued the restraining order in Grafton County Superior Court. At the conclusion of the 45-minute hearing, Judge Timothy Vaughn took the arguments under advisement and set a Jan. 3 court date for both sides to further argue the constitutional issues in the case. With no ruling, the restraining order remains in effect.
Attorney Lee Smith, representing PSU, said at issue are two state laws, RSA 159.26 and RSA 187.82, and which one pertains to the University System of New Hampshire. Officials, Smith said, were concerned about the “fear and anxiety” the men, and anyone who joined their protest, would prompt at the school.
“The injunction avoided what could have been a very tense, very scary situation on campus,” Smith said.
One of the issues during the hearing is whether USNH is a “political subdivision,” as outlined in RSA 159.26, and has authority to ban weapons.
Brandon Ross, representing Jardis and Mozingo, said the New Hampshire Bill of Rights upholds the right to bear arms.
The two men showed up on campus Friday, but did not carry guns because of the restraining order. They spoke with anyone interested and handed out literature about the Free State Project.
“I’m not sure if fear and anxiety should infringe upon the right to carry a rifle,” Ross said.
Smith said the school’s policy is “viable and enforceable.”
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Activists Decide Not To Bring Guns To University (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvyvgEX0XI#noexternalembed-ws)
Activists Call University Gun Ban Illegal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-bgROcO9s4#noexternalembed-ws)
It did what it needed to thus far, without them actually stepping on to campus, right? They got media coverage. Now to step 2, then profit!
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Activists Decide Not To Bring Guns To University (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvyvgEX0XI#noexternalembed-ws)
Activists Call University Gun Ban Illegal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-bgROcO9s4#noexternalembed-ws)
It did what it needed to thus far, without them actually stepping on to campus, right? They got media coverage. Now to step 2, then profit!
They stepped on campus, but without guns.
The FSP must be happy. In the first news story they didn't even say the names of the activists, they just call them "free staters".
Brad and Tommy got a restraining order, and hired a lawyer. That is the opposite of profit.
Having a restraining order placed on you can't look good. Hopefully those two won't need to have any background checks done.
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Sexual tension develops between Keene and Manchester.
http://www.facebook.com/events/195369650547434/ (http://www.facebook.com/events/195369650547434/)
http://freekeene.com/2011/12/01/keene-activist-to-take-manchkins-to-school/ (http://freekeene.com/2011/12/01/keene-activist-to-take-manchkins-to-school/)
Shire Dance-Off 2011 Promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npVHoh-jUm8#)
http://youtu.be/npVHoh-jUm8 (http://youtu.be/npVHoh-jUm8)
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Activists Decide Not To Bring Guns To University (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvyvgEX0XI#noexternalembed-ws)
Activists Call University Gun Ban Illegal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-bgROcO9s4#noexternalembed-ws)
It did what it needed to thus far, without them actually stepping on to campus, right? They got media coverage. Now to step 2, then profit!
They stepped on campus, but without guns.
The FSP must be happy. In the first news story they didn't even say the names of the activists, they just call them "free staters".
Brad and Tommy got a restraining order, and hired a lawyer. That is the opposite of profit.
Having a restraining order placed on you can't look good. Hopefully those two won't need to have any background checks done.
Oops!
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Boner Joe, FTL drama whore, repeatedly defaults on $5k loan (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/boner-joe-owes-me-money/) from Coconut, owes $7115 (http://7115dollars.com)
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Drama indeed. I hope that gets settled soon.
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I wish I could say that whole thing wasn't...off pitch...but I can't imagine that's the sort of thing most Free State Project members would want to be associated with. I get it, but I don't think it's likely to reach hearts and minds. You can say you don't want hearts and minds, but you want activists, yet the cumulative weight of things like this aren't inclined to be overcome by...more of the same by similar activists.
What some people probably fail to recognize is how much potential fellow travelers are likely to associate this with "weirdos" like the Manson Family and those nuts with the "church." Someone who agrees with you on just about everything else should be telling you this, so I thought I'd better....
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Freak Staters
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I beleive Ivy said on FB that her son is up wanting food and has been playing in the play room today. That is good news to hear.
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http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21822.msg340577#msg340577 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=21822.msg340577#msg340577)
NH: Activist's son hospitalized, mostly unconscious
Free stater Ivy Walker from the Grafton area reports her young son Henry is a fairly serious situation but showing small signs of improvement after two days in hospital. Click link below, if available, or see video descrip for details.
http://www.facebook.com/sharon.ivy.walker (http://www.facebook.com/sharon.ivy.walker)
That is some rather lousy linkage. Links to a link then from that link to a hidden FB page.
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It's a conspiracy, don't you see?
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cuckold
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Curtis seems to be one of those charmers that can lead a chick into some bad things, just guessing on my part though. Knew guys like that in my army days. Chick usually figures it out after awhile.
Is he still Carla's little trooper?
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Are Robin and Curtis a couple?
What happened to Tommy, and where are the kids?
none of yo muthafucking business
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You guys have no idea what my previous relationship was like and why it ended... I will leave it at that.
I find it odd that people assume things about Curtis and how he treats women, especially when they themselves have not been in a relationship with him. I could not be more in love and I have had enough of this ridiculous mud slinging. Get over it. My kids and my breakup are not FTL BBS business.
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http://forum.shiresociety.com/the-shire-society/mackler-vs-curtis-and-robin/ (http://forum.shiresociety.com/the-shire-society/mackler-vs-curtis-and-robin/)
Part of Mackler's response to our "massive smear campaign". This is one of three posts on three different websites, one of which he created just for the purpose (defending himself against our "massive smear campaign").
The truth is Mackler now senses defeat in court and this is one of the ways in which he has chosen to respond (the other is by dumping a mountain of legal paperwork on us). It tickles me! He's really frightened of having Jake testify. We think one of the reasons for all the paperwork is a legal rule which allows the judge to make a decision based upon the paperwork, without hearing any witnesses.
I'll be sure to post the video from the Feb 23rd hearing, but I bet by then people will no longer care (especially when such will prove to vindicate us). Until then we're just preparing ourselves for court, as honestly responding to all the lies hes been posting would take up too much time (ironic considering he claims we've got nothing better to do than spend all day making up lies about him). Seriously I tried to count all the intentional lies in that post and gave up because its so long and there are so many. I'll just be taking screen shots of everything he posts and have it with me in court.
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Oh, and I think hes trying to whittle away at our support because he was a bit miffed when at the first hearing (where we secured a continuance because the Judge WANTS to hear from Jake on the subject of this 99 year lease [for just $100/year]) we had about a dozen supporters show up and he had none.
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Maybe we shouldn't judge them at all about their private lives, and by the way my track record is less then stellar for relationships so I would have no business doing so anyway.
Seems like trouble seems to follow Curtis (from my full of shit 2000 mile away perspective) is all I am saying, but I am starting to wonder if my perspective is slighted because it is based on testimonials from jealous people.
I'll be honest though, I would like to read the forums where Robin and Curtis gave their sides of the story. Not because I care but because I would like to see how Mike Ruff works out as a arbitrator.
More interested in seeing the various liberty techniques and how they could work. (hard for me to say because I HATE rumour mill threads)
B.J. and Coconut settle everything I would like to hear how that worked out as well. Proof of concept or learning new ways to settle conflicts.
Maybe paintball tournaments would be a solution.
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Mike Ruff is an excellent mediator. I just re-signed up to tell my side of the story on the shire forum. It strikes me as curious this post did not show up until I had my account deleted and could no longer respond there. Don't know when it will be because I have a lot on my plate right now, but there will be a response soon, possibly in multiple parts.
and also I agree we should not judge on private personal relationships, that is petty, and I am tired of people talking about my kids... I have absolutely had enough of that shit. I kept my breakup private because I do not want it to affect myself, my children or Tommy in a negative way and I would like to keep it that way. So if everyone could lay off on that shit, I would appreciate it.
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Maybe we shouldn't judge them at all about their private lives, and by the way my track record is less then stellar for relationships so I would have no business doing so anyway.
Seems like trouble seems to follow Curtis (from my full of shit 2000 mile away perspective) is all I am saying, but I am starting to wonder if my perspective is slighted because it is based on testimonials from jealous people.
Bingo. You should have seen the reaction of the Manch forum when Mackler tried this there: 400 comments re: dicks
So he goes to the Keene forum (SS.com is still a Keene forum, despite appearances), and claims hes spoken to my 'victims'... LOL, I take such very seriously, and did so long before Adam Mackler came along. I've listed all the people who I thought did not like me, and talked to those who's opinions I cared about. Most were a misunderstanding of some sort (most on my end for thinking they did not like me). That whittled the list down maybe six people: my ex (who has been talking shit for the last year +, and refuses mediation because she doesn't want to stop "warning people" about me), a couple guys who resent the fact I'm with Robin, a guy who embezzled some legal defense funds, Boner Joe and Mackler. I've literally sought out potential victims of my past actions, to inquire if restitution and amends need to be made, and come up empty handed. People refuse to make a claim against me, because I haven't actually created any victims. Been a dick? Sure. But no victims.
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so, why do you need mediation if you signed a lease for a certain amount per month, but you aren't paying it?
Was there anything in the agreement that said you don't have to pay rent if the grass gets too tall?
I don't get it - you live somewhere, you're either paying renting or paying a mortgage if you didn't pay cash.
What reason could anyone possibly have for living somewhere for free?
Must Of Got Lost (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPAj19vHPNc#)
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All good questions Fred.
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maybe the landlord gets free peeks at Robin's porn.
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Ok Fred, lets not be rude here.
Least she could do is a hand-job. :P
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a full on masturbation session with some blowjob action would be less than the rent..
Oh shit, I'm gonna get banned. I didn't mean it robin - you're cool!
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Yeah, but double-anal would even it all up nicely.
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I'm not familiar with double anal - shit I've been married way too long for that shit unless its on the side..
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I've only seen it on the tubes myself.
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maybe the "landlord" wasn't really the person who should have been entitled to rent the house out in the first place, this has been legal drama after legal drama... the guy who owned the house was evicted and the "landlord" was his tenant and I feel a lot of shit was grossly misrepresented when i moved in here..... I feel like "landlord" used the state to rip a trusting hippie off, costing him his house. These are my opinions and feelings, and are not to be used as fucking evidence of anything in court Mackler, in case you are reading this and feel the need to print it out.
that is all i have to say on this forum before this shit goes to court. i am tired and i am not sure what an eviction case of astronomical proportions has to do with my fucking job, my kids, my relationships or any other personal business for that matter..............
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Some of us are just filthy, childish pigs at times, Robin. It happens mostly at night...................mostly.
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yea, when we've (I've ) been drinking... but fuck, you know you gotta pay somebody, right?
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also you guys need to stop fucking around on the bbs and get laid or something, this is sad
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I sincerely apologize for my rude comments folks. We gotta live together bitches.!
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also you guys need to stop fucking around on the bbs and get laid or something, this is sad
Thats almost EXACTLY what my gf said to me about 3 hrs ago, Robin!!
Thats weird!!
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also you guys need to stop fucking around on the bbs and get laid or something, this is sad
You're right about the "gettin laid" shit Robin...
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You ever thought about going pro, Fred?
Theres good money in it.
If you know what yer doin.
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also you guys need to stop fucking around on the bbs and get laid or something, this is sad
Thats almost EXACTLY what my gf said to me about 3 hrs ago, Robin!!
Thats weird!!
Sounds like she knew what she was talking about.
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Dr. Phil pro? NO
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Dr. Phil pro? NO
No Fred, im talkin pro porn star.
If you gots the moves, you can make it pay out.
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I don't got the moves - t hat's for the youngsters. Hell, I'm 56 bitches.
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also you guys need to stop fucking around on the bbs and get laid or something, this is sad
Thats almost EXACTLY what my gf said to me about 3 hrs ago, Robin!!
Thats weird!!
Sounds like she knew what she was talking about.
Yeah, but neither one of you knew grandpa.
Grandpa used to say "Now listen son, theres a time for fuckin' and a time for talkin' smack. You gotta know which one is which."
Wise man he was.
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Listen son.....You're talkin shit son..
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Ol' Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya (Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC5gIBdfIQI#noexternalembed)
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That whittled the list down maybe six people...
seven
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I thought you were not going to talk to either of us ever again Dale?
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also you guys need to stop fucking around on the bbs and get laid or something, this is sad
In the past couple years, I've met quite a few physically attractive women.
Mentally attractive, available: none. I'd rather jerk off for the rest of my life than fuck one more mentally unstable gold-digging manipulative self-centered psycho-bitch.
Psycho pussy has gotten me more trouble than every other stupid thing I've ever done, combined.
As they say, you don't pay whores to fuck you, you pay them to leave after you're done with them.
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That whittled the list down maybe six people...
seven
It will be 8 soon. A few months from now, when someone is homeless and alone, wondering what they've done to their life.
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I beleive Ivy said on FB that her son is up wanting food and has been playing in the play room today. That is good news to hear.
Any update on Ivy's son?
Last I heard he was released and the family is back home together
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a guy who embezzled some legal defense funds
Who?
He's referring to Rich Paul. I can't remember the details of the so-called "embezzling".
Though, last I heard about the situation, he never paid his lawyer (Lance) the money he owes him.
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Lawyers need to get fucked over often and hard, it's part of the natural order.
It keeps them from accepting frivolous bullshit and assembles the pecking order. Some lawyers are meant to practice in squalor. If they're not hooked up tight, they're not worth anything anyway, and thus should only get paid in cabbages for mediocre general representation.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to hand a piece of paper to a clerk.
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I thought you were not going to talk to either of us ever again Dale?
He wasn't talking to either of you, he was talking to the forum.
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<--member of the forum
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you interpreted me not wanting to talk to you anymore as a childish game and immediately started playing that game like a grade-schooler. If you think I promised you the luxury of never talking about you, check again.
The two of you PMed me (and other mods) about moderation decisions. I said stop PMing me. The decision's been made. Then you PMed me on FB and I said I don't want to talk to you ever again and I blocked you on FB.
See, this is why people don't want to chime in even to say they can't stand you guys when yet another person has a horrible experience. Because you're such attention whores. You're like children throwing a tantrum. You want people to like you, but if you can't get that you'll take any attention you can extract. Negative attention is better than zero attention to an attention whore. People just want to avoid you because you're so exhausting and high fucking maintenance.
But thanx for making my point for me. I know why Curtis' list is so short. It's because the people who hate can't stand him don't want to fucking talk to him about why they can't stand him. And queue Curtis asking me to list names. "Where's the proof? Why won't they say it to my face so I can start lawyering about how I haven't done anything wrong?" They just want to avoid him which is near impossible if they come out and publicly say they can't stand him because you guys will want to make a big scene about it and they'll get sucked back in to having to deal with your attention whoring bullshit which is fucking tedious and exhausting.
And God damn it, I've fallen for it. I've fed the trolls. I will never... fucking... be able to wash your shit off of me. As if it's not enough that I have to hear other people complaining about you all the time even when you're not around.
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I just hope you guys can appreciate the sacrifice I just made. I just threw myself onto the bloody altar of the demons of drama queen Hell.
God... damn it.
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*slow clap*
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I just hope you guys can appreciate the sacrifice I just made. I just threw myself onto the bloody altar of the demons of drama queen Hell.
God... damn it.
This is really hilarious. You claim to hate me with a passion due to a private conversation regarding moderation in which I never attacked you personally, which, btw, is basically the only meaningful interaction we've had since PorcFest, yet we're the childish ones. Got it.
And I love how you're accusing me of 'lawyering up' when any normal person would call it rational discourse and defending a position. I'm no lawyer, and I'm currently being buried in lawyer generated paperwork, so to accuse me of being lawyer-y is pretty hilarious.
But whatever, Dale, go on and hate me for whatever reasons you want. That's your decision, not mine.
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Took long enough for someone to use popcorn.gif.
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I don't hate you. I admit I made the mistake of presuming strong feelings in other people and I've corrected that in my post.
But I do think I've made myself clear and you're pretending not to get it. I didn't give a reason why I can't stand you other than you're a drama queen and I can't stand drama queens. That's a personal judgment call (that lots of people happen to agree with me about but when it comes to me deciding whether I can't stand to be around someone, OR ARGUE WITH THEM ENDLESSLY, my personal judgment is the only thing that ultimately counts). You're trying to make it about our latest interaction so you can lawyer about it.
And you can try to make it about your court shit. I don't know much about it and don't want to because I don't care. I'm trying to avoid your shit. If someone can't stand you, they just can't stand you. I tried to be private about it and just end communication, but that was hopeless. You know why? Because you're drama queens! You said only six people that you know of don't like you which was an inaccurate statement (I'll chalk it up to a short memory) which I ever so briefly corrected, speaking only for myself. You want to have a big drag out public lawyering session about why people don't like you and how they have no right to not like you.
Think... about... that... slowly.
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yo dawg, i hear you like drama...
so i put some drama in yo drama so you can drama while you drama
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Took long enough for someone to use popcorn.gif.
It's a crappy one, though...something's wrong with it.
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EVERYONE WHO IS A PIECE OF SHIT ASSHOLE SHOULD STOP BEING A PIECE OF SHIT ASSHOLE.
The following was brought to you by the letter A and the number 2, and in cooperation with the Ministry of Very Specific but Undefined Ambiguity.
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yo dawg, i hear you like drama...
so i put some drama in yo drama so you can drama while you drama
Is this where you and Curtis chime in and brag about the size of his cock to distract the flow of conversation?
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i was actually just waiting for someone else to mention cocks first...
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I don't hate you. I admit I made the mistake of presuming strong feelings in other people and I've corrected that in my post.
But I do think I've made myself clear and you're pretending not to get it. I didn't give a reason why I can't stand you other than you're a drama queen and I can't stand drama queens. That's a personal judgment call (that lots of people happen to agree with me about but when it comes to me deciding whether I can't stand to be around someone, OR ARGUE WITH THEM ENDLESSLY, my personal judgment is the only thing that ultimately counts). You're trying to make it about our latest interaction so you can lawyer about it.
And you can try to make it about your court shit. I don't know much about it and don't want to because I don't care. I'm trying to avoid your shit. If someone can't stand you, they just can't stand you. I tried to be private about it and just end communication, but that was hopeless. You know why? Because you're drama queens! You said only six people that you know of don't like you which was an inaccurate statement (I'll chalk it up to a short memory) which I ever so briefly corrected, speaking only for myself. You want to have a big drag out public lawyering session about why people don't like you and how they have no right to not like you.
Think... about... that... slowly.
Again, I'm not trying to lawyer you, I'm trying to human you. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not engaging in lawyer tactics. I'm not taking you to court or serving you with cease and desist orders. I've made rational arguments to support my opinions, something pretty much all of us do. So quit trying to put me down in that fashion and choose another.
Let me amend my statement about "the six". Those people REALLY do not like me. With them there is nothing I can do to rectify the situation directly, and for most of them I wouldn't if I could. I don't like them, either.
The other people I spoke with probably did not like me somehow. Many said they had nothing against me, others listed a few personality traits that they did not like (such as my propensity to interrupt and talk over them, something I began working to correct as soon as it was brought to my attention, and yes after I was made aware of it I began to notice it myself), some, again, I was not really a fan of so I didn't bother asking them. I didn't know/think you were on any of those lists, so I didn't contact you. We haven't had much interaction in the recent past.
If you don't like me because you perceive me as a drama whore, fine, ok. There is little I can do about that besides trying to be less involved in drama. The thing is though its all up to each individual as to what they perceive as 'drama'. In this case with Mackler I don't perceive it as drama but rather standing up for a friend and good person (even though that person is not a Porcupine), and doing whats right. And I'll point out that its mostly been people who are NOT me who've been dragging this into the court of public opinion (despite claims stating otherwise). I know it wasn't me who started threads about this on two different forums (plus this drama thread), and also create a dedicated webpage for such. In fact I'm doing my best to NOT reply to whats being posted because I understand its (in addition to trying to erode support) an attempt to get me to say things in public that can be used against me in court.
All the best to you, Dale. I'm REALLY not trying to lawyer you, or make you change your mind via forum posts.
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yo dawg, i hear you like drama...
so i put some drama in yo drama so you can drama while you drama
Is this where you and Curtis chime in and brag about the size of his cock to distract the flow of conversation?
Wow, I haven't done that since I was a teenager, and she only did it in a 400 comment thread that was already mostly about cocks, so no distracting the flow of conversation there. Whatever, Jay.
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yo dawg, i hear you like drama...
so i put some drama in yo drama so you can drama while you drama
Is this where you and Curtis chime in and brag about the size of his cock to distract the flow of conversation?
Wow, I haven't done that since I was a teenager, and she only did it in a 400 comment thread that was already mostly about cocks, so no distracting the flow of conversation there. Whatever, Jay.
I don't remember posting anything about cock size in that thread...
The thread was mostly irrelevant bullshit, pretty much the same with this thread. Double anal has already been mentioned here, and not by me. Pretty sure double anal is not a part of this conversation so..............
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"Sovereign Curtis (redacted IP) 02:51:43 PM Viewing the topic Boner Joe Owes Me Money."
And this is where Curtis tries to compare me defaulting on an agreement that I do not dispute to Robin and Curis claiming a lease is invalid and living somewhere rent free.
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Somebody IP be hanging out yo.
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Somebody IP be hanging out yo.
Shit, thx.
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omg this whole thread is distracting me from something I like to call.... MY REAL LIFE!
later fuckers, i got shit to do
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"Sovereign Curtis (redacted IP) 02:51:43 PM Viewing the topic Boner Joe Owes Me Money."
And this is where Curtis tries to compare me defaulting on an agreement tha tI do not dispute to Robin and Curis claiming a lease is invalid and living somewhere rent free.
Wait a minute. Are you quoting yourself? What does your assumptions have to do with this?
Can you quote where I made the comparison you claimed I'd be making?!?
Or are you just quoting that I was viewing that thread? I admit I was. But not for that purpose. Rather I hadn't heard anything about it in a while and figured it was possible some resolution was reached, and I could finally change my signature. Scanning the sixth and seventh pages, as well as the 7115dollars website I could find no such thing.
I'd LIKE to change my signature, that's why I was looking. Not to make the comparison you'd assumed I'd be making.
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CRAPFLOOD: THE FLOOD MADE FROM CRAP
COMING 2012
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I'd LIKE to change my signature, that's why I was looking. Not to make the comparison you'd assumed I'd be making.
A+ attempt.
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I think you have made some erroneous assumptions about how I feel about you, Jay.
I don't hate you. I don't wish to see you fail. You haven't hurt or injured or damaged me. I'm dismayed that you think I'm a sociopath and whatever else you think I am, despite the retorts I've made to the issues you raised. You're not a priority of mine. Making you miserable just isn't on my to-do list. Posting that signature was poetic justice based upon all the drama reporting you've done about myself and others, but I do look forward to the day when I can remove it. I hope we can all become better people. I'm not rooting against you. If you continue to assume the worst regarding my feelings and intentions concerning you, you're going to be wrong probably nine times out of ten.
I'd LIKE to change my signature, that's why I was looking. Not to make the comparison you'd assumed I'd be making.
A+ attempt.
Yea, read that last part of what I wrote above.
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> another wall of text
> continues to sidestep core issue of breaking a lease due to nonpayment of rent and refusing to move out
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Again, I'm not trying to lawyer you, I'm trying to human you.
...
TL;DR
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> another wall of text
> continues to sidestep core issue of breaking a lease due to nonpayment of rent and refusing to move out
>Continues to ignore what I say, uses own assumptions in place
>Continues to ignore the fact I won't be speaking on a court issue BEFORE the court date, as anything I say can and will be used against me in COURT.
Seriously, have at it.
If you just want to run your mouths here reporting my life, and calling ME the drama whore, I won't try to stop you.
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You see, it doesn't matter what happens in court. People in this community are making their judgement of you right now. If you're not the squatter you appear to be, then you would have moved out when you stopped paying rent. Instead, you're making everyone out to be the bad person but yourselves just so you can make a huge issue out of Mackler having your forceably removed by the only method legally available to him. Case closed.
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Maybe Jay should ask Mackler about his adventures in squatting.
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TL;DR
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Maybe Jay should ask Mackler about his adventures in squatting.
Stop trying to make it into something else besides you guys breaking the lease.
IT DOES NOT MATTER IF MACKLER IS A SQUATTER. YOU VIOLATED A CONTRACT AND YOU REFUSE TO REMOVE YOURSELF VOLUNTARILY.
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^word vomit word vomit word vomit
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^word vomit word vomit word vomit
You forgot to mention cocks and 4chan memes.
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They shouldn't discuss the case BJ. We can though.
This Mackler fellow seems to have questionable rights to lease this apartment. Is he paying the person he is renting from? Who is he renting from.
Would you pay a person who rented you something he may not have the rights to?
Don't you hate it when the landlord doesn't mow the fucking lawn, that always pisses me right off.
But if it makes your dick all hard, I will admit I am a bit skeptical of Curtis at this point, and would treat him with a bit of caution had we met, and I am sure many others would as well.
Now please post some more gay craftsmen with cordless drills shoved up there asses. I like power tools, sounds like QuickMike is partial to DeWalt. See if you can find a Hitachi would you? That is my favourite brand.
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Now please post some more gay craftsmen with cordless drills shoved up there asses. I like power tools, sounds like QuickMike is partial to DeWalt. See if you can find a Hitachi would you? That is my favourite brand.
See? Now I don't have to troll you anymore. We're cool.
Here's Mackler's latest post. He claims he's paying the bank every month to act as a manager:
http://forum.shiresociety.com/the-shire-society/mackler-vs-curtis-and-robin/msg57736/#msg57736 (http://forum.shiresociety.com/the-shire-society/mackler-vs-curtis-and-robin/msg57736/#msg57736)
And yes, the ownership is in dispute. But the Curzingo's can't honestly say they owe rent to nobody by staying there. If they are not making payments to whoever they deem to be the rightful owner, then it's easy to make a judgement.
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i asked there and i will ask here
when did mackler stop paying jake
when did he start paying the bank
how long did he live here "SQUAT" while the bank owned the house after the bank asked him to leave or pay rent
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EVERYONE WHO IS A PIECE OF SHIT ASSHOLE SHOULD STOP BEING A PIECE OF SHIT ASSHOLE.
The following was brought to you by the letter A and the number 2, and in cooperation with the Ministry of Very Specific but Undefined Ambiguity.
Well, I would. Honest. Then, I see this:
[...]good person (even though that person is not a Porcupine)[...]
And it reminds me why I hate people.
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Well, I would. Honest. Then, I see this:
[...]good person (even though that person is not a Porcupine)[...]
And it reminds me why I hate people.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not trying to say only Porcupines are good people, or something. I'm saying we should be treating everyone here equally, regardless of their affiliation with the FSP. We shouldn't have one set of rules for 'ourselves' and then treat locals like second class citizens. Thats what Mackler is doing, treating a local in a fashion that would not fly if he were a FSPer. And I think other FSPers should oppose FSPers treating locals like this.
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So, now the Curzingo's idea of buying and living in an RV has turned into a "promote the FSP" tour. LOL.
I can't wait for the donation page to go up. What a great scam, and people will fall for it.
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yeah.. ok
no one is asking the fsp or freestaters for donations to buy an rv, i have said before and i will say it again. i am planning on buying an RV with MY money.
i had the idea to buy an rv long before someone suggested curtis travel and pimp the fsp, can't imaging how using our own personal RV is any kind of scam.
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yeah.. ok
no one is asking for donations to buy an rv, i have said before and i will say it again. i am planning on buying an RV with MY money.
i had the idea to buy an rv long before someone suggested curtis travel and pimp the fsp, can't imaging how using our own personal RV is any kind of scam.
I had to chime in here. Keep in mind I have no horse in this race in general and will keep my opinions about Curtis to myself.
It would have been a much better response if you had said something along the lines of "I am not a scammer and I challenge you to provide evidence that I am, and I am insulted that you would suggest as much."
Vague answers about your motivations in response to questions about your motivations look bad. Just sayin'.
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Oh, so that Chip-in on the link to the site that was posted up for a few minutes on the Shire Society forum never existed? It's still there. OK...
Google cache doesn't lie if you decide to remove it after you read this. You can admit to it. Or I can just link it.
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oh you are talking about the chipin where my customers can contribute to my purchasing of an rv??? that has nothing to do with asking freestaters for money. my customers send me gifts all the fucking time because i take care of them.
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It's funny how I knew you would edit your post. Luckily, I know John Shaw had quoted it:
"no one is asking for donations to buy an rv"
It's funny how you mention on the page that you admit that the bank now owns the building you live in. Have you been paying the bank rent?
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yeah.. ok
no one is asking the fsp or freestaters for donations to buy an rv, i have said before and i will say it again. i am planning on buying an RV with MY money.
i had the idea to buy an rv long before someone suggested curtis travel and pimp the fsp, can't imaging how using our own personal RV is any kind of scam.
Wow, Robin, you just edited that post and changed the meaning after I quoted you.
CALLING YOU OUT.
That was pretty uncool and shady yo.
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i edited it because BJ said we would try to scam people using fsp, im not scamming anyone... and my chipin had nothing to do with the free state project, it had to do with my work. unrelated to the fsp period.
you are an incredibly douchey person... i hate to think i ever liked you.
i started that chipin before anyone mentioned this fsp promotion shit.................
so fuckoff
you guys are all cunts
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So you or Curtis won't ever accept donations or compensation from the FSP as part of this trip?
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Have you been paying the bank rent?
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i edited it because BJ said we would try to scam people using fsp, im not scamming anyone... and my chipin had nothing to do with the free state project, it had to do with my work. unrelated to the fsp period.
you are an incredibly douchey person... i hate to think i ever liked you.
i started that chipin before anyone mentioned this fsp promotion shit.................
so fuckoff
you guys are all cunts
What the hell?
What you just did looked sorta dishonest. I pointed that out and you call me a cunt?
Not cool yo. And you're barking up the wrong tree.
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i am sure you can not see how fucking frustrated i am right now with all of this Shaw and I am sorry. I am at a breaking point and I feel bad that you had to be a part of some of the snapping.
I have constantly had to defend what i do for work since BonerJoe posted my shit on here.... quite frankly, I do not even feel safe doing my job now and he is trying to bring a part of my work into this and make it look like i am going to try to fuck over the fsp or scam people in some way. THAT IS NOT COOL AT ALL.
Also, BONERJOE should stop stalking me on the internet, it is creepy as fuck.
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Have you been paying the bank rent?
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yeah.. ok
no one is asking for donations to buy an rv, i have said before and i will say it again. i am planning on buying an RV with MY money.
i had the idea to buy an rv long before someone suggested curtis travel and pimp the fsp, can't imaging how using our own personal RV is any kind of scam.
I had to chime in here. Keep in mind I have no horse in this race in general and will keep my opinions about Curtis to myself.
It would have been a much better response if you had said something along the lines of "I am not a scammer and I challenge you to provide evidence that I am, and I am insulted that you would suggest as much."
Vague answers about your motivations in response to questions about your motivations look bad. Just sayin'.
I don't get how she is being vague, when she told the truth. She and I WERE discussing purchasing an RV to live in, weeks before anyone (Ofer) came up with the idea to raise money to send me/us out of the state to promote the FSP via Free State Now. She did most of the looking until Ofer came up with that idea and I decided it was a good idea and I should know more about RVs before we make a purchase, especially if this RV is to be used to drive all around the country (hence my post on my facebook asking for advice [not donations]), instead of just being parked somewhere and seldom driven.
But its obvious going back and forth with Boner Joe is pointless. He is going to look at everything we say publicly and ascribe to it the worst possible motive he can think of.
We ARE considering accepting donations related to the effort. I'm just now working up a budget but I know I'd like, for example, a banner with some slogan which encourages people to walk up and ask for more info. Oh no!
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"Sovereign Curtis shared a link.
Sunday, January 29 at 5:33pm
Any of you awesome people have experience with RVs? I'm looking to purchase one for (in addition to living in) a tour promoting the Free State Project and I need to get up to speed fast. (hhhmm, there should be a Porcupine RV group). I'm looking at one that appears GREAT and is CHEAP, but I KNOW there has to be something that I'm missing being completely ignorant and all. Any advice/help you can give would be MUCH appreciated. Here is the specific RV I'm looking at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/200-PHOTOS-MINT-COND-1991-PACE-ARROW-35-FT-CARFAX-CERTIFIED-SERVICED-NO-RESERVE-/160726016665?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item256c046299 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/200-PHOTOS-MINT-COND-1991-PACE-ARROW-35-FT-CARFAX-CERTIFIED-SERVICED-NO-RESERVE-/160726016665?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item256c046299)"
Who's suggestion was it to turn this into an FSP promotional tour?
Are you saying that you or Curtis won't ever accept donations or compensation from the FSP as part of this trip?
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i am sure you can not see how fucking frustrated i am right now with all of this Shaw and I am sorry. I am at a breaking point and I feel bad that you had to be a part of some of the snapping.
I have constatly had to defent what i do for work since BonerJoe posted my shit on here.... quite frankly, I do not even feel safe doing my job now and he is trying to bring a part of my work into this and make it look like i am going to try to fuck over the fsp or scam people in some way. THAT IS NOT COOL AT ALL.
I totally feel ya but when someone is saying you're doing dishonest things and then you start editing your posts ex-post-facto to change the meaning of your statements after you are called out...
Well it looks dishonest Robin.
I don't know one way or another about all of this other stuff, and I'm not gonna bust on ya for it, but if you exercise in a behavior that supports the claim that you are pulling shenanigans while denying other accusations of shenanigans, it sorta looks bad.
You may not believe this, but I'm actually trying to help you out, here.
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We ARE considering accepting donations related to the effort. I'm just now working up a budget but I know I'd like, for example, a banner with some slogan which encourages people to walk up and ask for more info. Oh no!
:D
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yeah.. ok
no one is asking for donations to buy an rv, i have said before and i will say it again. i am planning on buying an RV with MY money.
i had the idea to buy an rv long before someone suggested curtis travel and pimp the fsp, can't imaging how using our own personal RV is any kind of scam.
I had to chime in here. Keep in mind I have no horse in this race in general and will keep my opinions about Curtis to myself.
It would have been a much better response if you had said something along the lines of "I am not a scammer and I challenge you to provide evidence that I am, and I am insulted that you would suggest as much."
Vague answers about your motivations in response to questions about your motivations look bad. Just sayin'.
I don't get how she is being vague, when she told the truth. She and I WERE discussing purchasing an RV to live in, weeks before anyone (Ofer) came up with the idea to raise money to send me/us out of the state to promote the FSP via Free State Now. She did most of the looking until Ofer came up with that idea and I decided it was a good idea and I should know more about RVs before we make a purchase, especially if this RV is to be used to drive all around the country (hence my post on my facebook asking for advice [not donations]), instead of just being parked somewhere and seldom driven.
But its obvious going back and forth with Boner Joe is pointless. He is going to look at everything we say publicly and ascribe to it the worst possible motive he can think of.
We ARE considering accepting donations related to the effort. I'm just now working up a budget but I know I'd like, for example, a banner with some slogan which encourages people to walk up and ask for more info. Oh no!
^ THIS ANSWER THE QUESTION BJ?
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:D
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Are you paying rent to the bank?
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I don't get how she is being vague, when she told the truth.
"can't imaging how using our own personal RV is any kind of scam."
That is not a denial. It's like responding to the question "Are you beating your children?" with "I can't imagine why I would beat my children."
Again, I'm addressing the indirect answer, not the subject matter.
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curtis and i plan on buying an rv with our own money, this is what i had planned to do before anyone pitched this idea to either of us. i see nothing wrong with us using our own personal vehicle to do fsp outreach.
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"Sovereign Curtis shared a link.
Sunday, January 29 at 5:33pm
Any of you awesome people have experience with RVs? I'm looking to purchase one for (in addition to living in) a tour promoting the Free State Project and I need to get up to speed fast. (hhhmm, there should be a Porcupine RV group). I'm looking at one that appears GREAT and is CHEAP, but I KNOW there has to be something that I'm missing being completely ignorant and all. Any advice/help you can give would be MUCH appreciated. Here is the specific RV I'm looking at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/200-PHOTOS-MINT-COND-1991-PACE-ARROW-35-FT-CARFAX-CERTIFIED-SERVICED-NO-RESERVE-/160726016665?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item256c046299 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/200-PHOTOS-MINT-COND-1991-PACE-ARROW-35-FT-CARFAX-CERTIFIED-SERVICED-NO-RESERVE-/160726016665?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item256c046299)"
Who's suggestion was it to turn this into an FSP promotional tour?
Are you saying that you or Curtis won't ever accept donations or compensation from the FSP as part of this trip?
As I said, it was Ofer's idea.
We're willing to accept donations to help us get on the road, but operating costs are expected to be covered by the bounty provided by Free Sate Now! Individuals, for whatever reason, think its a good idea and are willing to donate. We haven't yet solicited any donations for this effort, they've just stepped up saying "I'll contribute 'x'". We're not considering accepting donations or compensation from the FSP as part of the point is to fund this effort via the free market. The FSP can't afford to send someone around the country promoting the FSP, but if supporters can afford to get it on its feet, and FSN can afford to compensate for signing up new participants, the idea (which hasn't been completely investigated) is the FSP doesn't have to fund it, at all. After an initial investment it should (hopefully) be self-supporting. Again, this idea is still in its infancy and much research needs to be done to see if its cost (whatever that may be, still need to investigate that as well) is worth the benefit (is ten signers a day doable?). But we know we want an RV, we're just now looking for one that would be more road-worthy.
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curtis and i plan on buying an rv with our own money, this is what i had planned to do before anyone pitched this idea to either of us. i see nothing wrong with us using our own personal vehicle to do fsp outreach.
So you have money to buy an RV, but aren't paying Mackler or the Bank rent? Hmm.
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"Sovereign Curtis shared a link.
Sunday, January 29 at 5:33pm
Any of you awesome people have experience with RVs? I'm looking to purchase one for (in addition to living in) a tour promoting the Free State Project and I need to get up to speed fast. (hhhmm, there should be a Porcupine RV group). I'm looking at one that appears GREAT and is CHEAP, but I KNOW there has to be something that I'm missing being completely ignorant and all. Any advice/help you can give would be MUCH appreciated. Here is the specific RV I'm looking at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/200-PHOTOS-MINT-COND-1991-PACE-ARROW-35-FT-CARFAX-CERTIFIED-SERVICED-NO-RESERVE-/160726016665?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item256c046299 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/200-PHOTOS-MINT-COND-1991-PACE-ARROW-35-FT-CARFAX-CERTIFIED-SERVICED-NO-RESERVE-/160726016665?pt=RVs_Campers&hash=item256c046299)"
Who's suggestion was it to turn this into an FSP promotional tour?
Are you saying that you or Curtis won't ever accept donations or compensation from the FSP as part of this trip?
As I said, it was Ofer's idea.
We're willing to accept donations to help us get on the road, but operating costs are expected to be covered by the bounty provided by Free Sate Now! Individuals, for whatever reason, think its a good idea and are willing to donate. We haven't yet solicited any donations for this effort, they've just stepped up saying "I'll contribute 'x'". We're not considering accepting donations or compensation from the FSP as part of the point is to fund this effort via the free market. The FSP can't afford to send someone around the country promoting the FSP, but if supporters can afford to get it on its feet, and FSN can afford to compensate for signing up new participants, the idea (which hasn't been completely investigated) is the FSP doesn't have to fund it, at all. After an initial investment it should (hopefully) be self-supporting. Again, this idea is still in its infancy and much research needs to be done to see if its cost (whatever that may be, still need to investigate that as well) is worth the benefit (is ten signers a day doable?). But we know we want an RV, we're just now looking for one that would be more road-worthy.
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And if you're not paying Mackler or the Bank rent, are you paying Jacob rent?
Why aren't you paying rent?
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It's a simple question that has yet to be answered. Continued avoidance of it will result in more textual eyerolling.
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I mean, I understand you need money to move. But that's an excuse to remain there until your removed by the use of force?
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Why don't you guys just meet for coffee or beer and sort this shit out. Its pretty fucking boring to me..just sayin.
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Jay, you're purposefully asking questions we won't answer because WE'RE GOING TO COURT.
If you want to know the answers to questions we'll be asked in court, show up at the hearing.
Or don't and wait for someone to tell you what happened and/or for the video to come out.
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you guys are all cunts
Yes, the rapidly growing number of people trying to avoid you are cunts and the people at the center of the storm are the only good guys.
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Please post the chip-in to donate to this couple to get them to drive away and never come back.
The FSP should be willing to help.
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you guys are all cunts
Yes, the rapidly growing number of people trying to avoid you are cunts and the people at the center of the storm are the only good guys.
repeatedly posting about someone all over the internet is hardly avoiding them, it is encouraging more interaction
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I now understand why some people move here for the FSP and drop off the face of the planet after being featured in these threads about their relationships and other personal life business.
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Ten bucks donated to the FSP says they'll never show up in court.
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If you don't want to be involved in drama then pay your damn rent or move the #$%@ out.
The guy was nice enough to rent you the place for a fraction of the going rate for Christ's sake.
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I prefere a travel trailer and a pickup or SUV. It is nice to be able to separate your "car" and "house" once ones destination is reached. Although I have a SUV at the moment I in all honesty prefer pickups to use as a tractor because it is easier to see behind and easier to take small vehicles like bicycles along. A large engined vehicle tends to pay for itself if often running under a heavy load. I had a 7.3L Ford diesel that loved to pull things around- what it didn't like to do was drive to the store empty it got terrible gas milage on short trips. My camping trailer is self contained so I can stop anywhere, I like that as well.
If I were you, I would talk to that Pete dude from liberty on tour before I bought a motorhome he probably has a shitload of good advise.
In Northern Europe camping is a very popular hobby. I like the simpler camper just because they tend to have fewer problems and are easy to fix when they have them.
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4135/bilde040a.jpg)
Here is my German made 2003 Hobby camping trailer.
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5549/bilde042.jpg)
Photo from the inside. I like them. The stove is under the glass on the left side of the "sink". The refrigerator is mainly propane but functions on grid power when docked. (its under the "stove")
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you guys are all cunts
Yes, the rapidly growing number of people trying to avoid you are cunts and the people at the center of the storm are the only good guys.
It's a conspiracy against the super-activist and super-mom rising out of jealousy, don't you see?
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Well, I would. Honest. Then, I see this:
[...]good person (even though that person is not a Porcupine)[...]
And it reminds me why I hate people.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not trying to say only Porcupines are good people, or something. I'm saying we should be treating everyone here equally, regardless of their affiliation with the FSP. We shouldn't have one set of rules for 'ourselves' and then treat locals like second class citizens. Thats what Mackler is doing, treating a local in a fashion that would not fly if he were a FSPer. And I think other FSPers should oppose FSPers treating locals like this.
No, I'm not misunderstanding what you're saying. I'm understanding what you're saying perfectly well.
Its an elitist, prejudiced statement, and one of the reasons I decided to never sign up.
Insert word here: "He's a pretty good guy for a ......"
I hate that shit.
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In other news- I investigated RV's thoroughly. You're better off following Alaric's advice. A "bus" style one is bad news. They're expensive, require special sized tires and all sorts of other uncommon specialty items. They have internal systems that normal garages will not work on, like the power, water and what-not.
On the other hand, you have the pull-behind kind.
There are two kinds of tow-trailers. The "Camper" style, which is square-ish, like a tractor-trailer. They hook to either a ball hitch, or a square frame hitch (think male-female).
The other is a "fifth wheel". They have that weird shape that secures into the bed of a pick-up truck with a "tongue".
Either one is good. The standard camper is probably cheaper, and you aren't limited to owning a pick-up truck. You can switch out the vehicle that pulls if it dies, and keep the trailer. You can unhook to go get groceries and get normal gas mileage.
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They don't have a car.
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They don't have a car.
Well, maybe thats serendipity, 'cause they'd need a truck.
And it'd have to be legal, of course. Inspected, insured, registered, and license all in order.
Reliable pick-up, or van, probly three thousand. Trailer that isn't totally gross, maybe $5k and up. Figure another grand for insurance, inspections, registrations, plates.. And another grand for incidentals. Something always goes wrong with travel trailers. Needs a new tire, propane, wiring hookup is funky, whatevers.
All added, looking at $10k, maybe $8k and then nickle-n-diming it over the following months as the gremlins present themselves.
Plus, you gotta put it somewhere. Usually a camper campground (about $250 a month with electricity and water), but a friend's farmland is always nice. Pump-out at a facility, probly once a week, maybe $35 a pop. (never priced that, just guessing).
Its not cheap. You can try to be frugal, and learn from experience how to cut corners - but it's never "free", not even remotely free.
Then, you have the convenience we all love.. interwebs. Mo' money.
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In their case the web should pay for itself, and I think most campgrounds have wireless net. Good point otherwise, sitting down with a calculator and adding all the costs up is a good idea.
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In their case the web should pay for itself, and I think most campgrounds have wireless net. Good point otherwise, sitting down with a calculator and adding all the costs up is a good idea.
Depends on the campground. Wi-fi doesn't travel too far, through woods and over hills... and some campgrounds are pretty big. Some campgrounds are, all in all, pretty bare-bones. They may offer wi-fi, but you'd probably have to be sitting right outside the campground office.
Not hard to check, my phone shows connections. They'd know pretty easily. They'd be better off assuming its not provided and be prepared to have their phone act as a hotspot. And if it's free, terrific. Assuming they'd travel around occasionally, each campground is different.
And of course, it must be privately owned. State parks would be a huge violation of the principles of Free Staters. Rangers and shit, hells no.
I'd be more concerned with the bigger issues, like heat, water, electricity. Propane. Pumpout.
You'd have electricity in campgrounds, but maybe not in friends farmland. Therefore, a genny is necessary. Like the kind you have in boats, with batteries to catch the juice so the genny can cycle.
I wouldn't want a "campground-queen" camper that's dependent on utilities provided. I'd want one that's self-sufficient, that you can haul out to no-mans land if you want. Campgrounds are just a luxury where you do pumpouts and wash clothes.
But that's just my preferences. Maybe they'd prefer being in a camper permanently stationed five miles outside of Keene, but I think that defeats the purpose of portability.
If thats the concept, might as well just get an apartment like everyone else for 450 a month. Way cheaper than a camper.
Spending $10,000 to save 450 a month is idiotic. You have to work the whole thing out, mathematically. If they spend $10,000, it'll take over two years to recoup - without factoring in the campground at all. Part of the expense is the price of the experience, freedom of the road stuff.
Lookit--
10000, they survive one month.. that month cost them 10000
if they make it three months, it cost them about 3600 a month (because of the extra 300ish expenses)
if they make it ten years, it cost them about 90 a month, plus the additional 300ish rolling monthly expense.
So its never really "free", but it does get cheaper, the deeper you get into it.
I won't make jokes about them making it ten years. Thats none of my business.
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Stop getting off topic and bring it back to the pertinent issue at hand which is how to kick lowlife scum out of the Shire and ensure they never return.
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Kicking and keeping sounds like a violation of the NAP to me.
Brasky has said a lot of damn fine food for thought.
Portable generators have gotten so cheap I didn't even consider it a issue. They might want to spend the extra money for a diesel, and use tax free fuel. I agree self contained is important. With that in mind 12 volt and gas is king.
If the main thing is to do it cheaply, I would strip out a older but dry camper and build it up again in a more cabin fashion. A kitchen similar to the one in mine and a washroom (using a camping style port a potty) otherwise open and use camping furniture and air matterasses. Think Gypsy. :)
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Defensive tactics like ostracism, expulsion, and exclusion are not violations of the NAP once the accused has been shown they initially violated the NAP, are unwanted, not to be trusted...etc.
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Defensive tactics like ostracism, expulsion, and exclusion are not violations of the NAP once the accused has been shown they initially violated the NAP, are unwanted, not to be trusted...etc.
That is true. You also catch more flies with honey then vinegar.
I had a camper once that had a boiler that worked off grid power and gas. A small 12V pump
distributed what was basically automotive coolant around the camper warming it up through small radiators. This same boiler also functioned as a water heater for the taps. The camper I have now has a miniature version of a home water heater so when I am in "off the grid" modis I don't have hot water. The heater uses propane and blows air through vents. It is more durable then the gas boiler type.
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Stop getting off topic and bring it back to the pertinent issue at hand which is how to kick lowlife scum out of the Shire and ensure they never return.
We probably have different opinions that, categorically.
As well, I'm sure, do the original residents of "The Shire", before this whole thing began.
Thats why a lot of documents concerning "rights" used the stipulation of "landowner" as a descriptive element.
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Hey! That's Methuselah Honeysuckle!!!
He's a good guy.
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Brasky has said a lot of damn fine food for thought.
Thanks. I'm not trying to be a smartypants, just don't want to see someone start running with what seems to be a good idea and it turns into a disaster. It gets cold up there.
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Defensive tactics like ostracism, expulsion, and exclusion are not violations of the NAP once the accused has been shown they initially violated the NAP, are unwanted, not to be trusted...etc.
The only option you really have is individual ostracism. Individuals can form a group, if like-minded, but still the same thing, only in mutual agreement.
Personally, I don't care. But if it were me and people refused my business because I am neutral on the subject, due to your campaign, you're probably a worse person than they are.
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As well, I'm sure, do the original residents of "The Shire", before this whole thing began.
Here's a little inside info: anyone who refers to New Hampshire as "The Shire" sounds, to people who live in NH and are not FSPers, weirder than a cock in a frock on Ayer's Rock
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/09/29/Pris_060927051708976_wideweb__300x375.jpg)
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The point is not that "it gets cold up there" rather it is that lowlife scum who don't pay their bills would be travelling the other lower 47 states trying to get people to move to the Free State.
That is an all around terrible idea and would put "a pox on all our houses."
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As well, I'm sure, do the original residents of "The Shire", before this whole thing began.
Here's a little inside info: anyone who refers to New Hampshire as "The Shire" sounds, to people who live in NH and are not FSPers, weirder than a cock in a frock on Ayer's Rock
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/09/29/Pris_060927051708976_wideweb__300x375.jpg)
Pretty sure it sounds that way to those of us who are FSPers as well.
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People who moved "early" or just plain quickly are generally gonna fall into four categories.
1. The fucking crazies. (A teeny tiny percentage)
2. People who can afford it. (A small percentage)
3. Young people who have no attachments or financial responsibilities. (A good chunk)
4. Shiftless dirty fucking hippy nomad types. (A giant swathe)
For what it's worth, category three will grow up and adjust to the coolness vibe after maybe a period of assholery, and it seems like category one and four get stomped on pretty hard and leave.
As for the general drama of it all, well, ostracism has to be public and has to be loud. Calling it "Drama" and trying to position oneself "Above it all" ends up not working, because drama is basically the go-to method for dealing with bad people when you aren't utilizing the state.
Drama comes with the territory, frankly. Makes it hard for some people. I fucking hate that shit, but I'll do it. Somebody is bad, and you've tried talking to them about it and they're assholes, you call them out publicly. Making a big stink about how it's "None of anyone else's business." is kinda missing the point. Ostracism IS MAKING IT EVERYONE ELSE'S BUSINESS.
It's ugly and stressful but it's what people like us have when we've tried all the other non-force methods.
Hell, any dispute resolution by nature is totally centered around dragging another person or people into the mix.
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Don't forget and don't discount the relatively sane freedom lovers who were here before all you interlopers that can identify every single one of those categories and more.
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Don't forget and don't discount the relatively sane freedom lovers who were here before all you interlopers that can identify every single one of those categories and more.
That's "People who can afford it."
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Or, people who were born here.
Or, people who moved before the FSP made New Hampshire the official location.
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It has nothing to do with affordability, I'm talking about those outside your four narrow constructs.
You know free staters did exist in the Free State before the FSP.
There was a reason the majority voted for New Hampshire.
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It has nothing to do with affordability, I'm talking about those outside your four narrow constructs.
You know free staters did exist in the Free State before the FSP.
There was a reason the majority voted for New Hampshire.
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People who moved "early" or just plain quickly are generally gonna fall into four categories.
Learn to read.
I am free stater #<150. I know perfectly well what led up to the current situation.
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Don't forget and don't discount the relatively sane freedom lovers who were here before all you interlopers that can identify every single one of those categories and more.
That's "People who can afford it."
You might want to learn to read, my comment had nothing to do with your four classes of people.
Those are not "people who can afford it.."
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Don't forget and don't discount the relatively sane freedom lovers who were here before all you interlopers that can identify every single one of those categories and more.
That's "People who can afford it."
You might want to learn to read, my comment had nothing to do with your four classes of people.
Those are not "people who can afford it.."
Fine. Wonderful. Fan-fucking-tastic. You shouldn't have probably responded to me talking about movers then, huh?
And as for calling people who move to NH "Interlopers", yeah, please stop being an ass, thanks.
Sheesh.
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As well, I'm sure, do the original residents of "The Shire", before this whole thing began.
Here's a little inside info: anyone who refers to New Hampshire as "The Shire" sounds, to people who live in NH and are not FSPers, weirder than a cock in a frock on Ayer's Rock
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/09/29/Pris_060927051708976_wideweb__300x375.jpg)
Pretty sure it sounds that way to those of us who are FSPers as well.
Well, thank god for that.
I was getting a little tired of dry-gagging every time I saw it written in serious.
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I see the Shire, and the Shire Society as more of an "in club" kind of term to use amongst ourselves up here. I kinda feel silly saying it to anyone who isn't here.
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People who moved "early" or just plain quickly are generally gonna fall into four categories.
1. The fucking crazies. (A teeny tiny percentage)
2. People who can afford it. (A small percentage)
3. Young people who have no attachments or financial responsibilities. (A good chunk)
4. Shiftless dirty fucking hippy nomad types. (A giant swathe)
For what it's worth, category three will grow up and adjust to the coolness vibe after maybe a period of assholery, and it seems like category one and four get stomped on pretty hard and leave.
As for the general drama of it all, well, ostracism has to be public and has to be loud. Calling it "Drama" and trying to position oneself "Above it all" ends up not working, because drama is basically the go-to method for dealing with bad people when you aren't utilizing the state.
Drama comes with the territory, frankly. Makes it hard for some people. I fucking hate that shit, but I'll do it. Somebody is bad, and you've tried talking to them about it and they're assholes, you call them out publicly. Making a big stink about how it's "None of anyone else's business." is kinda missing the point. Ostracism IS MAKING IT EVERYONE ELSE'S BUSINESS.
It's ugly and stressful but it's what people like us have when we've tried all the other non-force methods.
Hell, any dispute resolution by nature is totally centered around dragging another person or people into the mix.
Haha. Word.
I find theres a difference between "ostracism" and generally being a twat.
Its pretty fucking hard to ostracize someone. It really is. All they have to do is stop trying to hang around your group, and your ostracism is basically crapped out.
However - check out this little scenario, and see if it makes you feel a little shitty around the gills...
I cut wood, and lots of it. Its my bread. I have loads and loads, cut that shit all summer.
People normally buy cords of my wood, and I count on it. I have like, a thousand cords, all stacked up.
Nobody really buys cords of woods in the summer, don't need it. The mad dash starts in the fall.
I sell a cord to Ostracized Asshole in September.
I don't pay much attention to the trivialities of The Shire Drama Club.
Nobody's buying my wood. Mid-October, I'm in Fandango's Saloon, lamenting my dry-spell of cordwood sales. Fandango tells me, "Dude, didn't you know? You sold a cord of wood to Ostracized Asshole, and I shouldn't even be selling you a beer..."
I don't know about you, but I can't be expected to keep abreast of every ostracized asshole, I don't log-on to the Ostracized Asshole Database and see who's on the shit-list.
But I do know one thing... if I conducted a fair transaction with the Ostracized Asshole, and I got no beef with him... but the fuckinasshole who has a grudge against him cost me about thirty grand in sales -- I might be paying a rude visit to someone, and it probably won't be the Ostracized Asshole.
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Interesting perspective.
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There is no way you can not say that Free State project members are not INTERLOPERS.
By every definition of the word you are.
It is okay, just embrace it.
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It has nothing to do with affordability, I'm talking about those outside your four narrow constructs.
You know free staters did exist in the Free State before the FSP.
There was a reason the majority voted for New Hampshire.
Or, people who were born here.
Or, people who moved before the FSP made New Hampshire the official location.
To "afford" is not necessarily a financial term.
When people can afford something, it is within their realm of possibilities. It simply means they can choose to do that, or believe that. They have the means.
I can afford to respond, but it costs me nothing.
I can afford myself the guilty pleasure of participation.
I can afford the time required, as I have an abundance.
I can afford to gain some weight, it wouldn't hurt me to gain a few pounds, and I might benefit from it.
I can afford to learn a new language - and the way things are, I can't afford not to.
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Understand one thing, you didn't get snookered by a word trap. But not everybody thinks in terms of money.
Personally, I can't afford it in terms of mental shenanigans. I can't afford to abandon my family, and I can't afford the stress of playing the "lottery", meeting people I probably wouldn't enjoy on a 100:1 basis. I need to tilt the odds in my favor to the exact opposite, where I'm most likely to encounter people that are way up my alley.
I won't make a post ripping ass on FSP participants, because a lot of them ARE cool.
I'd just rather live my life inconspicuously elsewhere.
There is no way you can not say that Free State project members are not INTERLOPERS.
By every definition of the word you are.
It is okay, just embrace it.
See above.
But as you said, some were born there - so by definition, you're incorrect.
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in·ter·lop·er [in-ter-loh-per]
noun
1.
a person who interferes or meddles in the affairs of others: He was an athiest who felt like an interloper in this religious gathering.
2.
a person who intrudes into a region, field, or trade without a proper license.
Nope, not seeing it. Just for giggles we'll also define "Intrude" as it's a key word in the definition.
Intrude - 1
: to thrust or force in or upon someone or something especially without permission, welcome, or fitness <intruded himself into their lives>
Yeah, still not seeing it. If I move someplace and buy a plot of land, it's MY LAND. If I rent from someone who owns land, the landowner wants me there. I am not intruding. If someone else doesn't like it, fuck'em.
S'a load of shit you're peddlin', sport.
Let's meet halfway and pick a different term. How about "Politically active migrants who some locals are annoyed by and don't like."
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Its amazing to me how many people have opinions on this matter considering everything they've heard about it is second hand.
Worse, ya'll are talking about this on an internet forum. What the hell?
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Its amazing to me how many people have opinions on this matter considering everything they've heard about it is second hand.
Worse, ya'll are talking about this on an internet forum. What the hell?
What is second hand about living?
I'm pretty sure we all live.
Try living next door to me, we might get along, we might not.
Try bringing a permanent carnival into my town, and insisting [stuff].
I'm pretty sure you'll get harassed.
I'm pretty sure I'd sit on the sidelines, but favor the locals opinions whom I've known forever as their property values plummet and the cops expand exponentially.
I'm pretty sure I'd be pissed about the cop part.
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(http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Popcorn-09-Psych.gif)
Hey! That's Methuselah Honeysuckle!!!
He's a good guy.
Ovaltine Jenkins?
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Robin should be on Intervention.
Probably not.
I'm not sure what you're suggesting "intervening" on her, but you should probably be straight-edge before suggesting it.
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OK, I take it back. I assumed there would be some money in it for her. Maybe enough for an RV, or to pay rent.
(http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/9/8/2/8/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn.gif)
Crash and burns are entertaining to watch too!
According to (this thread?), she probably earns enough to buy an RV every month by smashing dildos into her cunt on webcam.
I'm not sure why money is a problem.
I know from my interest in porn, it can be very lucrative.
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I'm being professional here. Don't read too much into my "interest in porn". I've had sort of a semi-professional porn interest for about ten years. It intrigues me. The numbers interest me.
It is my opinion that she doesn't pound her snatch with big enough dildos.
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See, here is Roxy Raye. She is attractive. I don't think she's ridiculously hot. But she's pretty.
http://www.roxyraye.com/main.html (http://www.roxyraye.com/main.html)
Robin is pretty.
If Robin were to emulate Roxy Raye's sexual antics, I believe she could probably make a decent living off of it.
Roxy Raye has recently made the transition to mainstream porn. But she doesn't fuck dudes. She simply sticks very big things up her twat and asshole, and they pay her well.
In between that, she sticks very big things up her twat and asshole on webcam, and makes quite a decent living.
This is like a textbook, "how to" situation.
The video I've seen of Robin masturbating clearly shows she's doing it wrong, if done for financial gain.
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Edit to clarify facts
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She was talking about not having enough money for food not too long ago
When mauiguy was still living with Curtis/Robin/Tommy in this apartment late last year, he said the first thing they did when he gave them "rent" money is go buy food with it.
The only way they can come out on top of this is if their plan is to pay the full amount of back rent to whoever the court decides is the rightful person at this eviction hearing.
I don't see that happening.
(in b4 mauiguy is a liar and why didn't I ask them for the real facts)
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I agreee with the statement that Robin needs to put more things in her holes.
If you cant make enough cash to pay the rent, buy food and whatever else by putting things in your holes, maybe its time to think about a different line of work. That kind of work isnt for everyone. It takes a certain gusto and earnestness, just like anything else you put your heart into. Unless of course, your heart is just not into it.
Oh, and before someone pipes in "Hey, my line of work is none of your business.", remember, a real pro would never make a statement like that. They would be out there promoting it, with vigor and a smile on their face, head held high.
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She was talking about not having enough money for food not too long ago
When mauiguy was still living with Curtis/Robin/Tommy in this apartment late last year, he said the first thing they did when he gave them "rent" money is go buy food with it.
The only way they can come out on top of this is if their plan is to pay the full amount of back rent to whoever the court decides is the rightful person at this eviction hearing.
I don't see that happening.
(in b4 mauiguy is a liar and why didn't I ask them for the real facts)
Gee, did he also mention the fact that he threw a wealth envy tantrum (only to apologize later) because I'd purchased $5k worth of silver and didn't give any to him? And seriously, when did how I use my money become any business of yours?
Really Joe, you've got a one track mind when it comes to me. You're convinced I'm the villain and the only data you'll accept on the subject is data that backs up your assumption. But I again ask you: What have I done to you? Anything??
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well, ever since someone decided to out me to the community (which never happened in the last 10 years before i moved here) it caused a lot of harassment, and if verbal harassment is not bad enough, some stalking too, so yeah i have not been working as much as i normally would, i've had to take some time off to deal with fucking manic depression. a special thanks goes to super secret squirrel sleuth bonerjoe for all of his awesome googling.
p.s. i don't do this to get rich, i do it because i enjoy the customers in my niche market. most of them are smart, can hold an entertaining conversation and are funny as fuck. most girls who "run" websites like the one above only get a 35% cut of what they earn fyi. i'm not a n00b, I been doing this shit for a long time. i know what is worth what.
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Move along folks - nothing to see here-
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well, ever since someone decided to out me to the community (which never happened in the last 10 years before i moved here)
See that? That right there?
Thats what im talking about. If you were a carpenter, would you feel "outed" if someone mentioned it? When I heard about it, I though "Oh, cool. Wonder why she never mentioned that before." Self promotion is the key to any line of work, no matter what it is, and even more so when your line of work involves any type of media.
I wonder if John Shaw got all upset when everyone found out he was making a zombie movie. Oh wait, no, he was in here promoting it himself. Thats right.
Theres no shame in what you do. You should act accordingly. Its your career though, so whatever.
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ok here is how i look at it, PORN STARS do not go out into the neighborhood they live in and hand out flyers with pictures of their twat to neighbors promoting their flicks like a carpenter would hand out business cards and pics of his work.
i know where to self-promote to make money, i have been successful finding a customer base, and i do not think a forum including immediate members of my community is the place to do it. like most people involved in the "business", i need a place to relax, unwind, and just be myself without having to put on my "game" face. i gotta have somewhere to "come home from work". if i was a telemarketer i would not wanna bring the switchboard home and talk to my telemarketing customers as entertainment at the end of a long work day.
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And seriously, when did how I use my money become any business of yours?
I dunno, when you don't pay someone in the community rent that you owe them when you've signed a lease?
$5k in silver, eh? Seems like you have rent money. Either Robin was lying about not being able to afford bacon, or you've just got that much control over her.
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well, ever since someone decided to out me to the community (which never happened in the last 10 years before i moved here) it caused a lot of harassment, and if verbal harassment is not bad enough, some stalking too, so yeah i have not been working as much as i normally would, i've had to take some time off to deal with fucking manic depression. a special thanks goes to super secret squirrel sleuth bonerjoe for all of his awesome googling.
Oh please. Too timely and convenient of an excuse. "It's all my BonerJoe's fault that I can't pay my rent and afford bacon, wah." You're the one who decided to make a living exposing yourself for money. The community found out about it, big deal. If you can't deal with the emotional aspects of it, stop doing porn. I didn't make your career choice for you.
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And seriously, when did how I use my money become any business of yours?
I dunno, when you don't pay someone in the community rent that you owe them when you've signed a lease?
Ok, Jay, you're speaking for Adam, here. I expect to see you take the stand Feb 23rd and testify as to any facts you have that makes you believe I owe anyone, anything. Seriously, go ahead and be a witness for Adam and get up there and tell the judge why you're qualified to make any claim about anything I do.
What's that? Your biased beliefs are based on hearsay?
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What's that? Your biased beliefs are based on hearsay?
This is hearsay?
http://mackler.org/curtisandrobin/Scanned_lease.pdf (http://mackler.org/curtisandrobin/Scanned_lease.pdf)
Are you saying that Mackler has posted a fraud?
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the problem BONER, is that no one gave a shit what I did before I moved here. I am not sure why libertarians/anarchists give more of a shit about MY career than southern baptist soccer moms gave.
ALSO you are the one who brought my work into this matter NOT me. You started with that shit here...........
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ALSO you are the one who brought my work into this matter NOT me. You started with that shit here...........
How did I bring your work into this matter of you guys not paying rent? Go cash Curtis' silver stash in.
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ALSO you are the one who brought my work into this matter NOT me. You started with that shit here...........
How did I bring your work into this matter of you guys not paying rent? Go cash Curtis' silver stash in.
you are all like rv rv blah blah blah, the website someone posted about your work had a chipin, blah blah blah. to tell you the truth you crossed my mind when i saw that post on freekeene. i don't know if you would do something like that, but the thought crossed my mind for sure.
get over yourself, go for a fucking walk or something, if a walk is out of the question go jerk off to soap operas, the internet would like a break from you.
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The more you avoid the core issue of not paying rent, the more hilarious this thread gets.
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The more you avoid the core issue of not paying rent, the more hilarious this thread gets.
The more you ignore the fact that your 'core issue' is the subject of a court hearing on Feb 23rd, and thus we will not talk about, the more pathetic this thread gets.
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The more you avoid the core issue of not paying rent, the more hilarious this thread gets.
The more you ignore the fact that your 'core issue' is the subject of a court hearing on Feb 23rd, and thus we will not talk about, the more pathetic this thread gets.
It wasn't the subject of a court hearing until you forced Mackler's hand because you wouldn't voluntarily vacate the property. It is an awfully convenient excuse, though...isn't it?
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And seriously, when did how I use my money become any business of yours?
I dunno, when you don't pay someone in the community rent that you owe them when you've signed a lease?
$5k in silver, eh? Seems like you have rent money. Either Robin was lying about not being able to afford bacon, or you've just got that much control over her.
Dont YOU owe somebody a great deal of money? Seems a bit hypocritical to me what you are doing.
I could be wrong though as I do not follow the drama very much and skip pages in this thread.
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And seriously, when did how I use my money become any business of yours?
I dunno, when you don't pay someone in the community rent that you owe them when you've signed a lease?
$5k in silver, eh? Seems like you have rent money. Either Robin was lying about not being able to afford bacon, or you've just got that much control over her.
Dont YOU owe somebody a great deal of money? Seems a bit hypocritical to me what you are doing.
I could be wrong though as I do not follow the drama very much and skip pages in this thread.
Different situations entirely, from what I understand. BJ does not dispute he owes the cash. He just couldn't pay at the time. He intends to pay it all back.
Worlds of difference.
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And seriously, when did how I use my money become any business of yours?
I dunno, when you don't pay someone in the community rent that you owe them when you've signed a lease?
$5k in silver, eh? Seems like you have rent money. Either Robin was lying about not being able to afford bacon, or you've just got that much control over her.
Dont YOU owe somebody a great deal of money? Seems a bit hypocritical to me what you are doing.
I could be wrong though as I do not follow the drama very much and skip pages in this thread.
Different situations entirely, from what I understand. BJ does not dispute he owes the cash. He just couldn't pay at the time. He intends to pay it all back.
Worlds of difference.
Yes, and that debt is about to be paid in full.
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Yes, and that debt is about to be paid in full.
Congratulations, sir. I look forward to helping you celebrate with nachos, espresso, and Talisman.
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And seriously, when did how I use my money become any business of yours?
I dunno, when you don't pay someone in the community rent that you owe them when you've signed a lease?
$5k in silver, eh? Seems like you have rent money. Either Robin was lying about not being able to afford bacon, or you've just got that much control over her.
Dont YOU owe somebody a great deal of money? Seems a bit hypocritical to me what you are doing.
I could be wrong though as I do not follow the drama very much and skip pages in this thread.
No, I don't, which is what I'll be arguing in court.
Of course none of you arm-chair drama queens wants to wait until I get the opportunity to defend myself,
you think your forum and its users are more important than my ability to defend myself in court.
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And seriously, when did how I use my money become any business of yours?
I dunno, when you don't pay someone in the community rent that you owe them when you've signed a lease?
$5k in silver, eh? Seems like you have rent money. Either Robin was lying about not being able to afford bacon, or you've just got that much control over her.
Dont YOU owe somebody a great deal of money? Seems a bit hypocritical to me what you are doing.
I could be wrong though as I do not follow the drama very much and skip pages in this thread.
No, I don't, which is what I'll be arguing in court.
Of course none of you arm-chair drama queens wants to wait until I get the opportunity to defend myself,
you think your forum and its users are more important than my ability to defend myself in court.
He meant Joe owing coc.
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Of course none of you arm-chair drama queens wants to wait until I get the opportunity to defend myself,
you think your forum and its users are more important than my ability to defend myself in court.
You're already planning to lose in court. Otherwise you/Robin/both of you wouldn't be looking to buy an RV to get out of dodge.
My bet still stands. You'll never show up in court.
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Let's get off this boring court stuff for just a minute here for some more important stuff.
Just where can we find this Robin porn?
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Just where can we find this Robin porn?
PM her. She implies she could use the business right now.
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And seriously, when did how I use my money become any business of yours?
I dunno, when you don't pay someone in the community rent that you owe them when you've signed a lease?
$5k in silver, eh? Seems like you have rent money. Either Robin was lying about not being able to afford bacon, or you've just got that much control over her.
Dont YOU owe somebody a great deal of money? Seems a bit hypocritical to me what you are doing.
I could be wrong though as I do not follow the drama very much and skip pages in this thread.
No, I don't, which is what I'll be arguing in court.
Of course none of you arm-chair drama queens wants to wait until I get the opportunity to defend myself,
you think your forum and its users are more important than my ability to defend myself in court.
Hey I'm no drama queen. And I wasnt saying that you did. I was talking to BJ.
Let's get off this boring court stuff for just a minute here for some more important stuff.
Just where can we find this Robin porn?
Snooze ya lose.
BJ: Yes, and that debt is about to be paid in full.
Good for you, I knew you could do it!
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My only comment so far is that computer printer toner is a far better medium for a lease than crayon. I guess no one planned to show it to anyone, because I'd be embarrassed, no matter what part I had in the arrangement...and that's for starters.
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Just where can we find this Robin porn?
PM her. She implies she could use the business right now.
I definitely do not need ANY business you drum up for me.
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Just where can we find this Robin porn?
PM her. She implies she could use the business right now.
Sorry can't afford custom porn right now. Was hoping to find it free on the inter webs.
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Just where can we find this Robin porn?
PM her. She implies she could use the business right now.
Sorry can't afford custom porn right now. Was hoping to find it free on the inter webs.
TANSTAFP
OK, yes there is. But still, help the woman buy an RV to get the fuck out of NH.
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How much do PORN STARS make in NH?
Yearly ballpark range or whatever.
Also, it seems like that could be a job you do on the side for some extra income. How much time does it take per day?
It doesn't really matter, location being a non-issue on web income. They can see any shows regardless of where it comes from. She can have subscribers in most of the world.
Usually, they have one of two options -
Own their own domain, or be a part of a network.
Sometimes the domain overlaps with a network - like, if the customer signs up for "Blackie.com", they'd get access to about a dozen other "sister affiliates", all part of the franchise. Those divvy up the proceeds favoring whomever's website generated the subscription.
The webcam network in its pure form, the chick would only get a token sum per scheduled appearances (kinda like a waitress), then she gets a portion of private shows purchased by the customer. Those are the low-class operations. You've seen those with like fifty chicks, and an "online" status.
Owning their entire own domain, they get all registration fees (monthly subscriptions), plus the price-per-minute of private shows. In those situations, they usually have archives of past performances, photo-shoots. Depending on the chick, they can get 10-20 a month for subscriptions, so if they had a thousand regs, they'd make 10-20k a month in subscription fees alone. Plus "tips", and the private show fees.
Its not uncommon for the person who owns their entire own individual domain to "leak" their shows onto file-sharing sites, to generate attention and get customer throughput.
Often, chicks can get "found" by the industry doing cam shows. Then they make "guest appearances" on bigger websites, and eventually may start making movies.
Sometimes, to jump-start that activity, they'll do weekend runs at strip clubs within driving distance. Billed as "Internet Sensation" for Friday and Saturday, hand out cards at the clubs, and then go home and do weekday shows with the newly-generated traffic.
Usually, if they want to "make it", they can't pick and choose their anonymity. I know it would be kind of annoying to be bothered by locals - but theres a built-in buffer... Most people don't like to admit they've seen porn, so they'll usually leave the chick alone.
This crowd is a little unusual in that aspect, because there are virtually no taboos.
...but, after the floundering-around period while the private domain gets up and running, theres no reason why a chick couldn't make 50-100k a year. Sometimes much more.
In tips alone, the chicks at big-name stripjoints can pull down 250k. Obviously, they have to be there most nights, and have outstanding looks, but its not unheard of.
Same goes for porn girls in fully-x rated movies. They get between 2-3k a scene - if they're working for a brand-name boxcover.. If doing 2-3 scenes a week, thats why some girls have a list of upwards of 1000 movies after a five-year career.
Theres a lot of money in porn, no matter how you cut it. It just has to be done "right". If you wanna make movies, you move to Cali. If you wanna self-produce your own content on the web, it doesn't matter where you're at.
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He helped someone with a documentary about gay porn or something.
Pretty close. It was about men in the sex industry, but what he was discovering was that there's virtually no female market for porn or prostitution. So straight guys have to be gay-for-pay to make any money. A few can do Chippendales-style shows and make good money, but most of them at least do gay shows as well. And if they can stomach it, some will try to pick up tricks that way as well and just have varying limits as to what they'll do with a guy. The gigolo who works for wealthy women is basically a myth except for perhaps the occasional kept man, but that's well beyond just sex services.
The gay industry is different than the straight though. The taboo for being a gay porn star is all but completely gone so the market is fairly flooded with willing applicants. Most of them work for peanuts just for the reasons you gave hoping it'll help their other work. Women still get the bulk of the money in straight porn and the guys work for peanuts there too. That's straight outta Ron Jeremy's mouth. It's all supply & demand.
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Yeah, that.
Gay men are a whole different species in porn. In fact, some straight male performers had to get into the biz by doing gay films.
Also, the gay male movie sales are smaller, because the audience is smaller, and thus less are produced, which in turn means less roles for performers.
Its just how it is. This could've been shown by checking a well-used P2P porn torrent tracker called "Cheggit", but they went out of biz last week from fear of SOPA. If you browsed their torrents randomly, it was maybe 20:1 gay.
And that's not just for feature-length professional vids - it had torrents of anything. Clips, cam-shows, you name it. Its just a smaller audience.
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http://nh.craigslist.org/zip/2842520226.html (http://nh.craigslist.org/zip/2842520226.html)
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yeah i totally want a shitty travel trailer that is only good for ice fishing... i will prop that thing up on skateboards and pull it around with a dog leash.
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yeah i totally want a shitty travel trailer that is only good for ice fishing... i will prop that thing up on skateboards and pull it around with a dog leash.
Its probably too heavy for that.
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yeah, that was sarcasm
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Yeah, that was trolling.
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So, no drama for two weeks? What am I gonna have to start making shit up? Am I gonna have to make a sock and call somebody a dickhead?
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Here you go.
Jensen Ackles in Days of Our Lives #16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c48JCg7a4tw#)
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Isn't today the day?
An influx of out of staters in Nashua NH. The Crown Plaza, I can't wait for someone to run down the hallway naked, "FOR LIBERTY!"
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No drum circle in the lobby. This year...tamborines.
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Derrick J Detained for Handing Out Literature (http://www.youtub6VU#ws)
I love how the junior thought-police are shouting to other students that they "don't have to take" the information.
Well, they do have to take their indoctrination.
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Derrick J Detained for Handing Out Literature (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz37JtwS6VU#ws)
The kids who might be the more anti-authority type might not even take a flier if you use that confrontational approach. I wouldnt if I were shy, because what kid wants a target on their back?
Also, I hope they realize that by getting banned from school property they cant go back now when something even more important happens. Like, say, if they were to hold a informational assembly or such.
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Derrick J Detained for Handing Out Literature (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz37JtwS6VU#ws)
The kids who might be the more anti-authority type might not even take a flier if you use that confrontational approach. I wouldnt if I were shy, because what kid wants a target on their back?
Also, I hope they realize that by getting banned from school property they cant go back now when something even more important happens. Like, say, if they were to hold a informational assembly or such.
It's funny you mention that.
My cousin is a Rabbi, and created a bunch of Jewish clubs at various high schools in the area. He visits them at lunch, hands out some food, and they talk about stuff. His outreach programs work pretty well, and he works entirely within the system.
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Finally more drama in the Free State!
The Leprechauns got Denis Goddard's mailbox!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/419140_10150868955732388_500052387_12662736_613426521_n.jpg)
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Derrick J Detained for Handing Out Literature (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz37JtwS6VU#ws)
The kids who might be the more anti-authority type might not even take a flier if you use that confrontational approach. I wouldnt if I were shy, because what kid wants a target on their back?
Also, I hope they realize that by getting banned from school property they cant go back now when something even more important happens. Like, say, if they were to hold a informational assembly or such.
It's funny you mention that.
My cousin is a Rabbi, and created a bunch of Jewish clubs at various high schools in the area. He visits them at lunch, hands out some food, and they talk about stuff. His outreach programs work pretty well, and he works entirely within the system.
Sounds like he's a fascist statist government worshiper to me.
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Does it look like he might have been specifically targeted or was there a row of mailboxes damaged as if someone was just riding down the road and playing mailbox baseball?
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I've played mailbox baseball, years ago with friends and I dont ever recall breaking a wooden post with a baseball bat.
If a baseball bat did that, the guy wielding it musta been a real He-Man type.
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Well, thank god somebody is monitoring my Facebook feed, and re-posting here. :roll:
My mailbox was the only one hit.
And this happened to be the morning after the School Budget meeting, where we took a very public role in organizing against a needless spending hike.
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It was St. Patrick's Day with lots of drunken debauchery.
Stop being so paranoid and full of conspiracy theories. Roving bands of school bureaucrats do not roam small New Hampshire towns at night smashing mail boxes of those that stand up against increasing school budgets, but drunken teenagers do for kicks and giggles.
And, just because you were the only one targeted on your street means nothing, think about the logistics, teenagers aren't Louisville Sluggers.
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Someone took my side mirror off my parked car last saint patricks day. Clearly wasnt targeted, just drunk person falling on it.
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There's no way somebody destroyed that post with a bad. That's got to have been a sledgehammer or something heavier/more powerful than a bat. Either that, or they must be putting something in the water up there in NH :P
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It was me.
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Probly back-handed it like smacking a mosquito. Thing was an atrocious construction, I think they call those "dove lap" joints, but I forget my carpentry lingo.
I donno how the plow-splash didn't break it off, or a rather large bird taking flight.
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Sluggo is a dickhole.
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Last time I built a mailbox post, I found a twisty looking blow-down tree in the woods, carved the bark off'n it, chain-sawed it to the appropriate length, and shellacked it about nineteen times. Hauled it out of the woods with a bullrope, and a yoke.
You could knock the box off it, but you'd never knock the post down, unless you hit it about sixty MPH with a Ford F-150. But I wouldn't recommend that. Probly flip the truck when the cement ball came out of the earth.
Oh, funny story about that, too. After I planted it, I numbered it by counting the houses. Then the mailman told me I was wrong. I told him to suck my ass, and had mail delivered to the street-number I selected.
So then, one day, I got a letter from the Postmaster, at that address, in that box, saying they didn't recognize that address. (which is a total paradox)
I took the letter to the Post Office. I said "What the fuck is this?", and showed him my drivers license with the house number on it, and some bills, and stuff like that.
The Post Office Fuck said "apparently, they disagree with the house number."
I said "Thats 'cause I chose it randomly, by counting houses, and decided I liked the number 'twenty-seven'."
He says "You can't do that."
I says, "But, I did. And now all my shit comes to that number".
They just caved. My mailman hated me. When they eventually built my next-door neighbors house, it caused a bunch of problems. And then they hated me, too.
It fucked up the whole neighborhood.
About six months-ish later, a guy named Pooch who was a Township Bigwig waved me down, during one of his clipboard walks. Said it amused the hell out of him, and to stop up the office and get permits for a couple things, which I never did. Didn't give a shit, abandoned the house.
To this day, the number still stands, and so does the post.
That was in 2000. Twelve years is pretty good long time for something to stand that everybody has a big fuckin' problem with. It should stand at least another twelve.
I'm pretty sure Pooch is dead by now, and that is the story of my mail-box post.
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^ Awesome as always
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If you use a rail car spring as the post, it will be impossible to knock down. You can weld the box to the top of the spring and that thing will be invincible.
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Better yet do what my neighbor did.
About 4 or 5 years ago we had a group of teens that would play mailbox baseball every weekend. My neighbor got hit 3 weekends in a row. So he decided to build the baseball proof mailbox. Had the box made of 3/8" thick steel rolled into normal mail box shape. Back wall and floor also 3/8" steel and welded together. Powdercoated it black and bolted it onto a 6' lally column sunk into a 3' cement filled hole.
Installed it on a Monday when the little shits were in school.
Sure enough Sunday morning there was a scuff on the side of the mailbox where an aluminum bat was introduced.
Monday afternoon there was a screaming mother at his front door yelling about how her darling angel gt a broken wrist from that illegal mailbox. There was a loud threat to sue made. My neighbor then very calmly thanked the woman for coming forward as he didn't know who had been knocking down mailboxes all over the neighborhood for the last month and a half. Now that the perpetrator was known and admitted she could expect a series of small claims court summonses from all the victims. Amazingly she STFU and left without ever pressing the lawsuit.
Was epic.
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I have neither time nor training nor aptitude for welding or other such projects. I type for a living, see.
Anyway, an FSPer shared this link, I think we're going with it. Criticism/alternatives welcomed
http://www.fortknoxmailbox.com/ (http://www.fortknoxmailbox.com/)
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Are you sure it wasn't a lightning strike?
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I have neither time nor training nor aptitude for welding or other such projects. I type for a living, see.
Anyway, an FSPer shared this link, I think we're going with it. Criticism/alternatives welcomed
http://www.fortknoxmailbox.com/ (http://www.fortknoxmailbox.com/)
Well he had the box made at a local metal fab shop and sent to the local powdercoater. All he did was dig the hole, set the lally column from Home Depot, paint the column, and bolt on the mailbox.
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I have neither time nor training nor aptitude for welding or other such projects. I type for a living, see.
Anyway, an FSPer shared this link, I think we're going with it. Criticism/alternatives welcomed
http://www.fortknoxmailbox.com/ (http://www.fortknoxmailbox.com/)
I got one of those at my last house after losing a couple cheapo boxes to vandals. Never took any noticeable damage, although I would occasionally hear a loud clang and cursing from the end of the driveway.
The one problem I had was dealing with the key hole freezing in the winter time.
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I have neither time nor training nor aptitude for welding or other such projects. I type for a living, see.
Anyway, an FSPer shared this link, I think we're going with it. Criticism/alternatives welcomed
http://www.fortknoxmailbox.com/ (http://www.fortknoxmailbox.com/)
I got one of those at my last house after losing a couple cheapo boxes to vandals. Never took any noticeable damage, although I would occasionally hear a loud clang and cursing from the end of the driveway.
The one problem I had was dealing with the key hole freezing in the winter time.
I have the freezing lock problem with newspaper racks. Just get a small propane torch - it works in seconds!~
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looks like it was hit from underneath the box. I assume it was kicked upwards. I would look for a perp that tends to wear workboots or has a broken toe.
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Total, with post, and concrete bags - $400 minimum.
I'd probly opt for a post office box. Just stop there once a week, pick up your shit. Its not like anything good ever comes in the mail anyways. Everything I care about comes UPS, or FedEx.
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You see the new USPS commercials? Direct Mail for companies. No wonder they're about to go under.
They're pushing junk mail. Like, they never heard of Google. Splatter a geographic area with the most un-green shit ever, no matter if they want it or not!
Its like they never heard of eyeball views or clicks, or anything.
We will personally send a living person to your house, with a paper card, which they will throw away, and the guy earns fifty grand a year, drives a carbon-burning truck, and gives an ecologically damaging piece of garbage to an unwanting recipient!
Un-fucking-believable.
Every other company on earth is pushing green and paperless. These dill-holes are trying to get people to buy a carbon footprint the size of Jupiter, to keep their jackass slackers employed so they can sleep half the day in Burger King parking lots.
You buy that post.. I won't say any negative shit, but I'll surely think some negative shit.
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It seems the defecation is certainly hitting the oscillation, and Will is not the only one fleeing:
http://freekeene.com/2012/03/21/peaceful-devolution/ (http://freekeene.com/2012/03/21/peaceful-devolution/)
Ian Freeman is embarrassing.
It’s a view you rarely/never see on this blog, but it’s a view held by myself and a serious portion of liberty activists in the Keene area. (Not to mention the overwhelming majority of Keene residents.) Lately it’s been the senseless pestering of city bureaucrats, the quixotic school outreach, and his involvement in the war on grandmas. Yes, he does other things which are more legitimate and professional, but, for as long as I’ve been in New Hampshire, it seems that Ian has always been vocally supporting activism that’s jarringly wrong-headed.
I joined this blog in 2010 in order to openly criticize certain activist tactics that struck me as counterproductive. At the time, I was worried that the suppression of criticism was creating an atmosphere of groupthink– a situation where the systematic lack of criticism leads groups to make wildly irrational decisions. Since then, I’ve changed some hearts and minds with regards to criticism, and caused people to look twice at things they’ve taken for granted. This has been very satisfying.
But, where it really matters, I have failed. I had assumed the groupthink emerged spontaneously from the interactions of many people. In reality, groupthink occurs because Ian Freeman consistently and deliberately marginalizes criticism and critics, and derails open discussions of the flaws of activist strategies.
It took this thread on the Shire Society forum to make me understand this. (I get a bit carried away in my first posts because I’m blinded by rage, but take a few days to calm down, and post more reasonably later.)
Since I’m not as irrational as Ian, I’m acknowledging this new information, and changing my own tactics accordingly. It’s pointless to try to debate with someone who doesn’t believe there should be debate or open discussion.
Short of coercion, the only realistic option available to those of us who would like to see activist tactics improve, rather than stagnate or regress, is to apply social pressure to make Ian stop. I am convinced that this is the only way things will change. It’s frustrating and absurd that it has come down to this, but Ian has blocked every other alternative.
As part of this effort, I will no longer be posting on Free Keene. More than anything else at this point, I suspect that my blogging only feeds Ian’s egomania. Like a Democrat on Fox news, I’m just here to support the pretense that Free Keene is fair and balanced.
I know some of my fellow bloggers agree with these concerns, and I encourage them to join me. Perhaps it’s time for a new group blog, one not stifled by Free Keene’s cult of personality. Alternately, I’m sure Free Manch would welcome new bloggers.
Adiós Free Keene, and good riddance.
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This is from http://forum.shiresociety.com/free-talk-live/i-expect-nothing-just-gotta-say-it/msg58733/#msg58733 (http://forum.shiresociety.com/free-talk-live/i-expect-nothing-just-gotta-say-it/msg58733/#msg58733)
My diagnosis of the problem is that it is dominated by just a few people with no life. If you're willing to devote the time, post very frequently and sometimes even create sock puppets or band together with a few others with no life, you can completely control the atmosphere of a forum. Just because I have a diagnosis does not mean I know the cure. :)
So instead you join the group that dominates the board. Just sayin'
Oh, wow. You dug up and necroed a thread that's been dead for 2 years for a comment that's 4 years old for that zinger, aye? Was it worth it? Do you feel better now?
I assume you're talking about when I woke up one day as a mod, that I never asked for.
And FWIW, since the 4 years since I posted that, I do like the FTL forum better. L*bman's gone, after all. It's still mainly for shits & giggles but nothing wrong with that.
(http://i.imgur.com/YCB8J.jpg)
FWIW, blackie demoted me from mod to shithead so my suggestion was to make blackie a shithead for a day.
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My diagnosis of the problem is that it is dominated by just a few people with no life. If you're willing to devote the time, post very frequently and sometimes even create sock puppets or band together with a few others with no life, you can completely control the atmosphere of a forum. Just because I have a diagnosis does not mean I know the cure. :)
So instead you join the group that dominates the board. Just sayin'
Oh, wow. You dug up and necroed a thread that's been dead for 2 years for a comment that's 4 years old for that zinger, aye? Was it worth it? Do you feel better now?
The search feature doesn't care how old a thread is. If you search for "bbs", it is the first thread in the FTL child board that shows up in the results. Also, the thread title and subject is appropriate.
I assume you're talking about when I woke up one day as a mod, that I never asked for.
That also happened to me. But it was Ian that made me a mod. John Shaw decided to make you a mod.
You say you won't even read the TOS over there. I was banned for attempting to make you read the TOS. Banned for moderating.
(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3214/bannedfy.png)
And FWIW, since the 4 years since I posted that, I do like the FTL forum better.
The FTL BBS had some activity 4 years ago. It is pretty much dead now. I wonder why? :roll:
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I assume you're talking about when I woke up one day as a mod, that I never asked for.
That also happened to me. But it was Ian that made me a mod. John Shaw decided to make you a mod.
Okay. I suggest you explain that to whoever banned you.
You say you won't even read the TOS over there. I was banned for attempting to make you read the TOS. Banned for moderating.
I actually had, but that's not even relevant. Pretty sure that reading is not what's required. Not violating them is what's required, and my whole point by JOKING about not bothering to read them was that all that takes is common sense to not violate them. You pretty much have to be trying to be a douche. You need to watch the Human Cent-iPad episode of South Park.
And FWIW, since the 4 years since I posted that, I do like the FTL forum better.
The FTL BBS had some activity 4 years ago. It is pretty much dead now. I wonder why? :roll:
Hmm... After speculating wildly, I have come to the only reasonable conclusion a sensible and rational person could come to. I, DALEBERT, HAVE SINGLE-HANDEDLY DESTROYED THE FTL BBS! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I just came.
(http://i.imgur.com/Wc8Vs.jpg)
You make it so easy. This is all so contrived and absurd. Just admit that you just despise me and you're a douche.
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You killed it, Dale. I'm glad you finally realize that.
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I am the fist of an angry God and I smite the unclean!
(http://i.imgur.com/WAVB8.jpg)
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Cops Run Down Activists to Serve Him with Papers... (raw) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdLXnhToOpA#)
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Wow, you see the psychotic look on that cops face?
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Seriously. Trying to outrun the cops on a friggin bicycle. There is smart activism and then there is shit like this.
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Lol. That looked like a outtake from the movie Bruno.
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"Excuse me, would you leave me alone?" Classic.
Hey, wasn't that cop pointing at Derrick? Isn't that assault (http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.fr/2012/03/man-arrested-charged-with-assault-for.html)? Of course, knocking someone off their bike is also assault.
I guess I need to go listen to last night's FTL to find out WTF.
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The cop followed him around with his lights and siren on for a while before doing anything. I'm pretty sure that when you choose to ignore the cops and attempt to evade them in these sorts of situations 1) it's illegal and 2) you should expect to be chased down and physically stopped. It would be one thing if Derrick was bicycling on private property, but he was on a public road. This sort of "activism" is silly and won't win you any friends or support.
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The cop followed him around with his lights and siren on for a while before doing anything. I'm pretty sure that when you choose to ignore the cops and attempt to evade them in these sorts of situations 1) it's illegal and 2) you should expect to be chased down and physically stopped. It would be one thing if Derrick was bicycling on private property, but he was on a public road. This sort of "activism" is silly and won't win you any friends or support.
I don't know if it was activism. It seemed that Derrick wanted to just live free. He likely knew that he was breaking the law and risking months in jail. He didn't seem to care. If he serves months in jail over this, perhaps it is what he wanted?
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It seemed that Derrick wanted to just live free.
He likely knew that he was breaking the law and risking months in jail. He didn't seem to care.
Ell ta tha oooh ta tha ell.
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It was "activism" because he was filming this and had every intention of turning it into a public matter. I think it's just a poor form of activism. Sure, the cop may have gone a little overboard, but it's hard to verify from the video what exactly happened, especially after Derrick fell off his bike. Even so, Derrick was obviously acting like an idiot. I'm sympathetic to the liberty activist folks in Keene, but when someone who is sympathetic toward your cause is questioning the wisdom of your activism (or activities), I think it's a pretty sure bet that those who are indifferent or hostile to your cause will definitely not be supportive or swayed.
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It was "activism" because he was filming this and had every intention of turning it into a public matter. I think it's just a poor form of activism. Sure, the cop may have gone a little overboard, but it's hard to verify from the video what exactly happened, especially after Derrick fell off his bike. Even so, Derrick was obviously acting like an idiot. I'm sympathetic to the liberty activist folks in Keene, but when someone who is sympathetic toward your cause is questioning the wisdom of your activism (or activities), I think it's a pretty sure bet that those who are indifferent or hostile to your cause will definitely not be supportive or swayed.
THIS.
This is the point that Ian and company don't seem to get. Yup the rabid anarchists will lap it up - but they are the only ones. Hell when I first found this place I was all gung ho about moving the NH - especially Keene - and getting active. After seeing some of the useless, meaningless drama that is just alienating the very people you want to "wake up" as Dale calls it, I don't know that I want to move to Keene and be associated as one of those Free Keene nutjobs by most everyone I meet.
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I don't know that I want to move to Keene and be associated as one of those Free Keene nutjobs by most everyone I meet.
You and most of the FSPers in NH!
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To the point that non-violent civil disobedience and activism of this type work, they work because people who are usually disinterested take an interest, and decide the activist or disobedient types are right, and the establishment is wrong, or at least that there's a reasonable debate.
There's no one who isn't already firmly in the "fuck the state" crowd who's going to be moved by such behavior (and I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, but filming it and broadcasting about it are pointless.) This is why I sent the email to the show a long time back and suspended my support--it was becoming the "free keene show" and I thought it was [doing] more to drive people away from the message than to it.
Ian may argue that it brings in more activists, but it obviously brings in more activists who do the same type of stuff, which isn't going to advance the mindshare of liberty in the general public--there in Keene, in greater New Hampshire, or the world.
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My point was all the "Mommy look at meeeee" drama that has no actual point or goal will actually turn people that had been supporters OFF. Forget about those that are neutral or antagonistic.
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My point was all the "Mommy look at meeeee" drama that has no actual point or goal will actually turn people that had been supporters OFF. Forget about those that are neutral or antagonistic.
Yes, but wrong tense. That's exactly what's been happening for ~4 years now in Keene
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Ah I see. I haven't been following this for nearly that long. Only have a bit over a year of exposure and actually was a supporter for most of it. Guess I am not anarchist enough for the drama activism. I am much more behind Brad and Talley type activism.
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Oh, but have you checked out sidewalk-chalking and candle-light vigils? :wink:
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Oh, but have you checked out sidewalk-chalking and candle-light vigils? :wink:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/1z1r0qu.jpg)
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Oh, but have you checked out sidewalk-chalking and candle-light vigils? :wink:
Sidewalk chalking can be quite cool.
http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/09/amazing-3d-sidewalk-art-photos/ (http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/09/amazing-3d-sidewalk-art-photos/)
So can candle-light vigils.
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Oh, but have you checked out sidewalk-chalking and candle-light vigils? :wink:
Sidewalk chalking can be quite cool.
Then again, it can just be "eh".
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My woman graduates from nursing school this upcoming winter. That means that there will be basically nothing standing between me and the Free State! I need to start planning. Im thinking perhaps Manchester so far?
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My woman graduates from nursing school this upcoming winter. That means that there will be basically nothing standing between me and the Free State! I need to start planning. Im thinking perhaps Manchester so far?
Don't know what you do for a living, which might lock you in to Manchester area, but I'd say see where your newly minted RN gets the best offer and look near there.
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RN is one of the hottest jobs in the USA.
In NH there are a LOT of places an RN could choose from. Pretty much every "city" - Nashua, Salem, Portsmouth, Manchester, Concord...
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oh wow.
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My woman graduates from nursing school this upcoming winter. That means that there will be basically nothing standing between me and the Free State! I need to start planning. Im thinking perhaps Manchester so far?
Don't know what you do for a living, which might lock you in to Manchester area, but I'd say see where your newly minted RN gets the best offer and look near there.
I work as a cook, so I can find work almost anywhere because it is a high turnover job.
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The conversation has shifted to a very not-dramatic direction...
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RN is the mark of delineation where aptitude stalls. It is a stepping stone upon which advanced degrees are built.
I can understand why some graduates would pause there for a while, because the money is pretty good, and the schooling is tiring. But to stay there permanently is the embodiment of sloth.
My favorite boss ever, John, had a saying about Registered Nurses. He said they come from a whole 'nother planet where they wrongly believe the universe rotates around them. But he was an A-type personality, and Director of his department at age 25. He was the kind of guy who walked at a pace that looked normal, but when you tried to walk with him, you discovered you had to actually run. He got shit done, one way or another.
If you look in Wikipedia, about RN's, you'll see theres a sub-article about bullying within the workplace. This is because nurses are typically mollycoddled bitches who start out awestruck and passionate, and then discover they have asses upon which it is comfortable to sit, while they direct their subordinates to perform duties which they were not trained to perform. They then grow into gelatinous signature machines with exquisite manicures who wrongly believe their sole responsibility is to take temporary custody of medication carts, and watch a row of lights which will blink if a patient lapses into the realm of technical death as measured by scientific instrumentation.
Needless to say, despite my acceptance into the world of medical science, my Doctorate of Vaginal Medicine from the Universidad de Colombia (or Venezuela, I forget), my honorary title of "Pimp Daddy" by the Woman of the Year (four times) in my region, I am not asked to deliver the commencement speech at any of the local Universities who stamp these cunts out of sheet metal.
But I know why. It is because I don't blanch at the sight of RN after the flipped-askew name-tags (first name only), and bow and scrape like some English chimney-sweep granted audience with the Queen Mum's Royal Fish Pot, because some little honey with a gymnasts ass managed to fast-track weekend-degree herself into an RN, knows the generic term for Tylenol, and the approximate temperature my forehead should be.
It is this general laissez-faire atmosphere of incompetence and entitlement that mandatory C.E. and state regulatory requirements are born from, licensure, and the lower hierarchy they sneer down upon, revel in, yet are desirous to attain higher levels within.
And its all about the paycheck, personal achievements, and patient care comes last. I remember being through so many moments, injuries, illnesses, family situations, where the occasional REAL angel of mercy descended upon me, after numerous false deities... and I just wanted to profess my undying love. Which absolutely helps put the magnificent cunts into an interesting perspective.
I would like to have the option to have morphine, or an exploding neck collar on an RN. All the morphine you want, or blow the head off one nurse. I guarantee, I'd endure a LOT of pain, to keep that option viable 'til my very last minute.
Because I know, my care would get extremely professional and proficient if I was three days deep into a serious painful illness, and didn't hit the fucking morphine button yet. And a lot of stupid twats would not vie for the position, but the same number of proficient women probably would. And thus, the paycheck would be worthy, and the title bestowed would be respected.
..And while I'm at it, fuck Unions.
Fuck it, I guess that's all. As you were, bitches.. I'll come in your nurses station and doesn't give a fuck.
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Say what you want about RN's. The primary people they have to work with are:
a) Doctors (raging egotistical assholes), and
b) Hospital Administrators (officious Vogon bureaucrats)
For that alone, they get much slack
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Extra points for the reference to Vogons, but I still enjoyed his rant.
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to fast-track weekend-degree herself i
You best be trollin. Fast track? It is nearly as tough to become a nurse as a doctor. When you go to the doctor, who do you spend more time with? A nurse.
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Total, with post, and concrete bags - $400 minimum.
I'd probably opt for a post office box. Just stop there once a week, pick up your shit. Its not like anything good ever comes in the mail anyways. Everything I care about comes UPS, or FedEx.
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You see the new USPS commercials? Direct Mail for companies. No wonder they're about to go under.
They're pushing junk mail. Like, they never heard of Google. Splatter a geographic area with the most un-green shit ever, no matter if they want it or not!
Its like they never heard of eyeball views or clicks, or anything.
We will personally send a living person to your house, with a paper card, which they will throw away, and the guy earns fifty grand a year, drives a carbon-burning truck, and gives an ecologically damaging piece of garbage to an unwanting recipient!
Un-fucking-believable.
Every other company on earth is pushing green and paperless. These dill-holes are trying to get people to buy a carbon footprint the size of Jupiter, to keep their jackass slackers employed so they can sleep half the day in Burger King parking lots.
You buy that post.. I won't say any negative shit, but I'll surely think some negative shit.
As a business owner who ships out products to people all across the country, I would rather use USPS more than FedEx and UPS.
I have had problems with both UPS and FedEx demanding to know the contents of my shipments. I don't need the businesses that I work with to be my government. I want them to ship my package and shut up. The USPS never questions what I send. Furthermore, if you use USPS, the State governments need a federal warrant to open a package. Since USPS is Federal, it gives a person more freedom if the product they are selling is less than legal in their state.
Interstate mail is one of the areas that is best to leave in Federal control rather than State control. For business owners working in fringe areas, it is safer. I have experienced this for over 8 years of business. The USPS is more private and costs less. As a business owner, that's what I need.
The USPS is the only government service in the US that is required to pay for itself. Therefore, it has always operated in the black (until 2006). In 2006, it was required by Congress that the USPS pay for 75 years of future retirement benefits in a 10 year period. The law that requires the USPS to pay for the retirement benefits of employees that have not yet been born is the cause of 100% of the US postal service's $20 billion in losses over the last four years.
Basically, the USPS was working fine for over 200 years. Then private companies got their paid politicians representatives to write a law to bankrupt the agency, so that they can privatize it. With the loss of the USPS, State governments can then go through the privately mailed packages without a Federal warrant.
There's a nice interview with the director of the New York Metro Area Postal Union at DemocracyNow.org that describes the issue:
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/27/shock_doctrine_at_us_postal_service (http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/27/shock_doctrine_at_us_postal_service)
The main difference between the USPS and other agencies is that the USPS has to pay for itself. I know that I already said this, but it is an important point. The USPS pays for itself. If the DMV had to pay for itself and there were competitors to the DMV, that office would function much more smoothly. Letting the politicians destroy the USPS through laws requiring them to pay for 75 years worth of retirement benefits in a 10 year period would put just about any business in the red. It is bad politics and bad policy to let the corporations determine which services that we have.
I say, stop destroying the USPS with corporate sponsored regulations and let the free market decide if the USPS should exist. The USPS has done well with its business model for over 200 years. Small business owners like me prefer the low-cost service. Businesses need as much competition as possible in this area. When it is time for the USPS to fade, the free market will let it happen.
We don't need fake regulations to wipe the USPS out for us.
Let the free market decide if the agency should exist.
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Fine as long as that includes removing the monopoly they have on 1st class (or is it mail under an ounce?). Make them truly compete.
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The USPS is poorly managed, and destroying itself. The in-the-red statistic that they've been operating under since 2006 is nearly identical to the GM too-big-to-fail fiasco. Except, in this case, the only thing they're protecting is themselves. GM was lambasted for that, so, too should be the USPS.
When I was a kid, I remember reading an article where it was cheaper for a guy to mail bricks to Alaska than to have the most-local source deliver them. He built a house with the materials. Bricks, by fucking airplane?? Rather than one truck from Anchorage?
And for the record, they don't need a warrant to open mail. It happens all the time at customs, when mail is being placed into the custody of the USPS. Similarly, it can be opened domestically if a number of criteria are (or are not) met. It is also subject to x-ray scanning, sniffing by dogs, sniffing by detector, a "flag" on the shipper or recipient, a visible leak, "accidental damage", the absence of a return address, improper tape, and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Operating under the incorrect presumption is fine if you have "nothing to hide", and you're mailing legitimate stuff.
The fact is proven by some very old-school methods. Simply pick up an old copy of Hustler, and flip through the back pages. Discretely packaged smut, which doesn't leak, rattle or stink, is commonly refused to be sent to certain states. How would the USPS know if locally prohibited materials are contained within the package, from strange and common-sounding return addresses?
Famously, Tommy Chong was jailed for mailing new, clean glassware to certain states, an entrapment sting which used postal regulations and law enforcement to slam-dunk him into prison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pipe_Dreams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pipe_Dreams)
They've been a lot more on-point than you think, for a really long time.
I admit I'll use USPS when I feel like it. Thats my choice. But I don't have to. I could easily avoid USPS in most cases, and if I really wanted, I could be more diligent and probably never use them again for packages.
I will admit UPS and FedEx can be a little wonky sometimes. But it always arrives. And I don't feel like I'm sending up major red flags when I use UPS's tracking. (personal preference)
Currently, the most recent ad campaign for USPS is bulk mail. They're paying top-salaried employees big money to stop by every single house and drop a 2c item in their porch slot. Thats just fucking ridiculous, especially when you consider that piece is probably handled by five different people before it arrives at its destination.
You don't see the competition doing that. They'd never consider it. They probably laugh themselves sick at the board meetings, its "life support", and as long as the USPS is subsidized to continue that, the so-called free market will never adjust.
..and yes, they are subsidized. They don't exist in the same competitive realm. As a government agency, they don't pay fuel tax, buildings aren't taxed, they have federal security protecting their infrastructure where others have to pay private security, they enjoy a collectors market for their postage (which is a scam unto itself, people buy the postage and never use it when they sell commemorative series).
There are very few modern jobs where a guy can get employed and retire from it, and the Post Office is one. The others are cops and prison guards, feds, and the log-jam of clerks at the court house. There are very few privatized jobs where a person can get hired and expect to retire from it, in our generation. Especially now.
Name one other pretty decent job where a guy could get hired in 1990 and expect to retire with 30 yrs in 2020, at age fifty. I'll betcha can't name one.
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to fast-track weekend-degree herself i
You best be trollin. Fast track? It is nearly as tough to become a nurse as a doctor. When you go to the doctor, who do you spend more time with? A nurse.
Registered Nurse is 2.5 years, fast track. A lot of colleges have special courses of study.
Doctor is eight.
Its not nearly the same. Not even close.
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For the record, my mom was a RN. Almost 40 years.
However, times have changed. In her early years, after graduating in '56 or whenever the fuck, they didn't have all sorts of specialist degrees. So, she just stayed a nurse and liked it.
In the late 70's early 80's, they started doing all these advanced degrees, like CRNA. Theres a reason the CRNA gets paid almost double of a regular RN.
Once an RN is achieved, I suggest the RN carries on with his or her studies, and doesn't rest on their laurels. If they do sit back and become a lifer, I have very little respect for them. The institution normally has tuition reimbursement, and they can become a Doctor of Nursing Practice, Certified RN of Anesthesia, or a whole 'nother multitude of advanced degrees. Basically, for free.
I think RN's who basically opt out of that potential are lazy. ..And it usually shows in their demeanor. I've been on both sides of the window, countless times.
Go get a job where you have to rely on an RN to get off her ass, its pure torture.
Are there exceptions to the rule? Absolutely. There are some very fine examples of nursing, in every healthcare establishment.
Sadly, if you were able to sneak in and become an anonymous patient, like the show "Undercover Boss," you might be surprised to find a lack of compassion. This is pretty common. A lack of action, also common. Pretty much, all the things you'd expect to be first-place on their list of actionable activities, take a second place to lunch. Go be a patient somewhere, you'll see.
I had an elderly aunt, who just a few months ago was killed in a car crash. I heard from a "friend" how her body was treated.
I have known numerous geriatric patients who were treated like garbage.
I have personally refused surgery because the nurse who was my liaison between myself and my surgeon was a stupid fucking cunt.
Just because you believe your own personal experience with your girlfriend is positive means the whole nursing profession is positive, you are wrong, my friend.
Denis partially credited Doctors, for the problem in nursing. I agree, they are a part of the problem. In other professions, they call that a lack of discipline. Its totally common that a "superior" may be an asshole. This is not uncommon in the work environment.
Where the situation breaks down is, sick people are not supposed to take the brunt of the anger in any other profession.
Sick people are supposed to be treated kindly regardless of the shit that comes from "above".
When shit becomes mechanical, and loses dignity to the patient, you can't arrive at a simple compensation. Its psychological. I personally believe the technical professional schooling is not really all that difficult, but it takes a certain kind of person.
And the people who are not suited for it, they get protected by unions and legal boilerplate horseshit nonsense. And thats not cool.
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to fast-track weekend-degree herself i
You best be trollin. Fast track? It is nearly as tough to become a nurse as a doctor. When you go to the doctor, who do you spend more time with? A nurse.
Registered Nurse is 2.5 years, fast track. A lot of colleges have special courses of study.
Doctor is eight.
Its not nearly the same. Not even close.
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For the record, my mom was a RN. Almost 40 years.
However, times have changed. In her early years, after graduating in '56 or whenever the fuck, they didn't have all sorts of specialist degrees. So, she just stayed a nurse and liked it.
In the late 70's early 80's, they started doing all these advanced degrees, like CRNA. Theres a reason the CRNA gets paid almost double of a regular RN.
Once an RN is achieved, I suggest the RN carries on with his or her studies, and doesn't rest on their laurels. If they do sit back and become a lifer, I have very little respect for them. The institution normally has tuition reimbursement, and they can become a Doctor of Nursing Practice, Certified RN of Anesthesia, or a whole 'nother multitude of advanced degrees. Basically, for free.
I think RN's who basically opt out of that potential are lazy. ..And it usually shows in their demeanor. I've been on both sides of the window, countless times.
Go get a job where you have to rely on an RN to get off her ass, its pure torture.
Are there exceptions to the rule? Absolutely. There are some very fine examples of nursing, in every healthcare establishment.
Sadly, if you were able to sneak in and become an anonymous patient, like the show "Undercover Boss," you might be surprised to find a lack of compassion. This is pretty common. A lack of action, also common. Pretty much, all the things you'd expect to be first-place on their list of actionable activities, take a second place to lunch. Go be a patient somewhere, you'll see.
I had an elderly aunt, who just a few months ago was killed in a car crash. I heard from a "friend" how her body was treated.
I have known numerous geriatric patients who were treated like garbage.
I have personally refused surgery because the nurse who was my liaison between myself and my surgeon was a stupid fucking cunt.
Just because you believe your own personal experience with your girlfriend is positive means the whole nursing profession is positive, you are wrong, my friend.
Denis partially credited Doctors, for the problem in nursing. I agree, they are a part of the problem. In other professions, they call that a lack of discipline. Its totally common that a "superior" may be an asshole. This is not uncommon in the work environment.
Where the situation breaks down is, sick people are not supposed to take the brunt of the anger in any other profession.
Sick people are supposed to be treated kindly regardless of the shit that comes from "above".
When shit becomes mechanical, and loses dignity to the patient, you can't arrive at a simple compensation. Its psychological. I personally believe the technical professional schooling is not really all that difficult, but it takes a certain kind of person.
And the people who are not suited for it, they get protected by unions and legal boilerplate horseshit nonsense. And thats not cool.
2.5? That is not accurate at all. 2.5 of Nursing School maybe. But you have to have already done 2 years of a 4 year university doing all your generals & some health related classes, then APPLY and cross your fingers to be accepted. Most of my womans' friends failed to be accepted the first time, had to try again.
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Also for the record, my woman is currently finishing up nursing school. My mother has been a RN for many years. My Grandmother is a nurse. Several of my aunts are nurses. Doesnt affect the validity of my statement.
And dude, CRNA is a nursing assistant job. Not nurse. RN is a nurse. People can be assistants and in high school. Your facts are way warped.
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You give information that every chick who ever had or will have any influence over you is evidently a nurse, and your calling Brasky's point of view warped? :lol:
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All I know is that a doctor has to absorb a shit-ton more medical books into their skulls than a nurse does. Hence the extra 4 years of medical school that a nurse doesn't have to go through + 3-7 year residency, depending on the state you live in.
Both seem rough to me though. I dont think all that info would fit inside my head all at once in either case.
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drama has been derailed in recent times
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Okay, renewing drama: Jay (bonerjoe) is moving back to Keene. Discuss.
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Okay, renewing drama: Jay (bonerjoe) is moving back to Keene. Discuss.
How is that drama, as opposed to just gossip? Is he going to walk into town and start bitchslapping people or something?
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Make sure to let everyone in Keene know of this:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/boner-joe-owes-me-money/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/boner-joe-owes-me-money/)
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Make sure to let everyone in Keene know of this:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/boner-joe-owes-me-money/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/boner-joe-owes-me-money/)
I would imagine pretty much everyone is aware of that incident already.
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And dude, CRNA is a nursing assistant job. Not nurse. RN is a nurse. People can be assistants and in high school. Your facts are way warped.
A CRNA is a Certified RN of Anesthesia.
In the USA, Nurse anesthetists must first complete a bachelor's degree in a science related field or a Bachelor of Science in Nursing. They must be a licensed registered nurse. In addition, candidates are required to have a minimum of one year of full-time nursing experience in an acute care setting, such as medical intensive care unit or surgical intensive care unit.[13] Following the acute care experience, applicants apply to a Council on Accreditation (COA) accredited program of nurse-anesthesia. Education is offered on a masters degree or doctoral degree. Program length varies from 24 to 36 months.[13] Many programs require entrance prerequisites similar to medical schools (pre-med courses) and up to two years of acute care experience. The didactic curricula of nurse-anesthesia programs are governed by the Council on Accreditation (COA) standards and provide students the scientific, clinical, and professional foundation upon which to build sound and safe clinical practice. Clinical residencies afford supervised experiences for students during which time they are able to learn anesthesia techniques, test theory, and apply knowledge to clinical problems. Students gain experience with patients of all ages who require medical, surgical, obstetrical, dental, and pediatric interventions.[13] In addition, many require study in methods of scientific inquiry and statistics, as well as active participation in student-generated and faculty-sponsored research.
[edit]History of education
Historically, CRNAs in the United States received an anesthesia bachelor's degree, diploma or certificate. As early as 1976, the Council on Accreditation was developing requirements for degree programs. In 1981, the Council on Accreditation developed guidelines for master's degrees. In 1982, it was the official position of the AANA board of directors' that registered nurses will be baccalaureate prepared and then attend a master's level anesthesia program. At that time, many programs started phasing in advanced degree requirements.[14] As early as 1978, the Kaiser Permanente California State University program had upgraded to a master's level program. All programs were required to transition to a master's degree beginning in 1990 and complete the process by 1998.[15] Currently, the American Association of Colleges of Nursing has endorsed a position statement that will move the current entry level of training for nurse anesthetists in the United States to the Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) or Doctor of Nurse Anesthesia Practice (DNAP).[16] This move will affect all advance practice nurses, with a mandatory implementation by the year 2015.[17] The AANA announced in August 2007 support of this advanced clinical degree as an entry level for all nurse anesthetists, but with a target date of 2025. In accordance with traditional grandfathering rules, all those in current practice will not be affected.[16] Several nurse anesthesia programs have already upgraded to the DNP or DNAP entry level format. Because all programs will be converting to a doctorate level education, the length of the programs, in most cases, will need to increase or exceed 36 months per the recommendation of the COA of Nurse Anesthesia Programs.[13]
[edit]Board certification
The certification and recertification process is governed by the National Board on Certification and Recertification of Nurse Anesthetists (NBCRNA). The NBCRNA exist as an autonomous not-for-profit incorporated organization so as to prevent any conflict of interest with the AANA. This provides assurance to the public that CRNA candidates have met unbiased certification requirements that have exceeded benchmark qualifications and knowledge of anesthesia.[18] CRNAs also have continuing education requirements and recertification every two years thereafter, plus any additional requirements of the state in which they practice.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_Registered_Nurse_Anesthetist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_Registered_Nurse_Anesthetist)
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And dude, CRNA is a nursing assistant job. Not nurse. RN is a nurse. People can be assistants and in high school. Your facts are way warped.
A CRNA is a Certified RN of Anesthesia.
My apologies, I was thinking of CNA.
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Okay, renewing drama: Jay (bonerjoe) is moving back to Keene. Discuss.
I wasnt aware he left. Not like this is a newsworthy item.
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Case anybody missed it, BJ is taking the helm of Mail-to-jail as well. Mike Barsky sounded really burned out so I guess this is good for him. (ref: porc therapy special a few weeks back) I guess time will tell on how BJ does. Hopefully the poor guys in jail won't be inundated by a lot of "Wat"s and gay porn.
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Peter Wolf and the Houseparty 5 "You're Breakin' My Heart" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ3-SRQYFI8#ws)
fucking BJ does anybody really give a flying fuck?
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Psychology III - The Histrionic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yirpf6MQdzI#)
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This guy needs to do a video on "the vapors".
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Case anybody missed it, BJ is taking the helm of Mail-to-jail as well. Mike Barsky sounded really burned out so I guess this is good for him. (ref: porc therapy special a few weeks back) I guess time will tell on how BJ does. Hopefully the poor guys in jail won't be inundated by a lot of "Wat"s and gay porn.
I have to admit I was a bit surprised by the news. I'd just like to say I hope it works out well.
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Is Ian going to start carping on about how much out-of-the-system activists are getting burned out?
Especially compared to the paltry low burnout rate for inside-the-system activists
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Make sure to let everyone in Keene know of this:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/boner-joe-owes-me-money/ (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/boner-joe-owes-me-money/)
I would imagine pretty much everyone is aware of that incident already.
I have no problems associating with jay on a personal level since this is resolved. I just will not be putting out any further investments without a more solid business plan.
Is Ian going to start carping on about how much out-of-the-system activists are getting burned out?
Especially compared to the paltry low burnout rate for inside-the-system activists
Barskey being burned out is old news (by years). I was surprised he was even doing Mail-to-Jail for as long as he did.
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Is Ian going to start carping on about how much out-of-the-system activists are getting burned out?
Especially compared to the paltry low burnout rate for inside-the-system activists
what a
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You get burned-out by being a probation monkey.
I have not ever met a single person who got thrown into the thrasher, exited, and wanted more.
I have met numerous people who took a hay-ride a couple times, and thought it was funny. But never anybody who looked into the abyss, and said "go ahead, do me", for reals.
When you can count your sentence in days, its kind of a joke. I got fourteen days, I got sixty days.
Show me one motherfucker who got ten years, comes out in five with a sixty month suspended sentence, and dares the cops to gulag him.
I'll wait.
Nobody? Oh, thats because prison SUCKS.
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Hopefully the poor guys in jail won't be inundated by a lot of "Wat"s and gay porn.
Lol, Jay has certainly been a troll for years. Of course, so has Dale. Dale brought it up, even though it wasn't drama, IMO. Jay currently lives in Manchester and claims it is the ghetto, even though it is a low crime area, compared to the national average.
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Jay currently lives in Manchester and claims it is the ghetto, even though it is a low crime area, compared to the national average.
Manchester is run down and generally shitty. I've seen it. I've lived most of my life within 40 minutes of Detroit and I can objectively say that Manchester is kinda dumpy.
It's not Detroit bad. It's not Flint bad. But it's definitely nearing Pontiac/Bay City/Lansing bad.
I'd say it's a reasonably decent place to live in the suburbs of.
And just for the record, I'm not being a giant snob here - I lived for a year in the back lot (Literally, the side of the house bordered the impound lot) of the 6th precinct police station in Detroit. Four people got shot INSIDE THAT POLICE STATION there last year. So what I'm saying is that I understand the difference between the ghetto and the not-ghetto.
Manchester is kinda a shithole. I'd say a 4/10 on the shithole scale, but a shithole nonetheless.
Now I'm imagining Dale saying "This place is a shithole MAAAAAN."
Also, stop calling moderators names on the BBS please.
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Several thoughts in response to several posts, consolidated for TL;DRers...
Not a troll.
I don't know any free-staters who are on probation. Good behavior, yes, but that does not entail all the things probation does. That said, those are mostly good points and burnout does seem likely.
Manchester is kinda a shit hole but it's still my preferred place to live for a number of good reasons. The crime rate is kinda bad here, at least for NH and compared to a lot of places in the country. We looked it up, remember?
I wasn't calling it drama because Jay took up MtJ. I was calling it drama that yet another activist was burned out. Yes, he was already burned out, but this was a sign of like... completely washing his hands of any activism. It wasn't from going to jail, in this case, btw. It was just bad experiences with other people, mostly people you guys probably never even heard of.
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If Manchester is pretty much the only real city in NH, wouldnt that help concentrate the "city types" into one spot?
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More tragedies caused by the war on drugs. This one in NH.
http://www.sunjournal.com/news/new-england/2012/04/12/one-police-officer-dead-four-wounded-standoff-cont/1181371 (http://www.sunjournal.com/news/new-england/2012/04/12/one-police-officer-dead-four-wounded-standoff-cont/1181371)
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Manchester is kinda a shit hole
Depends on what neighborhood you're in.
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With anal sex so popular these days I think the word shithole is being misused here.*
Manchester is a gummed up diesel filter. (those suck and aren't good for anything, can't even get em to work with a fucking air hose)
* I am keeping tabs on this phenomenon, the Santorum (yummy yummy Santorum) thread.
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More tragedies caused by the war on drugs. This one in NH.
http://www.sunjournal.com/news/new-england/2012/04/12/one-police-officer-dead-four-wounded-standoff-cont/1181371 (http://www.sunjournal.com/news/new-england/2012/04/12/one-police-officer-dead-four-wounded-standoff-cont/1181371)
Tragedy, maybe...particularly a tragedy that they violently invaded private property and forced the property owner to defend himself. Tragedy that the drug war pigs won't change their violent behavior in response to this predictable outcome. Tragedy that they'll self-righteously support even more violence for the purpose of interfering with free commerce.
Tragedy that they'll use this to justify their Bearcat armored murder vehicle.
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More tragedies caused by the war on drugs. This one in NH.
http://www.sunjournal.com/news/new-england/2012/04/12/one-police-officer-dead-four-wounded-standoff-cont/1181371 (http://www.sunjournal.com/news/new-england/2012/04/12/one-police-officer-dead-four-wounded-standoff-cont/1181371)
Tragedy, maybe...particularly a tragedy that they violently invaded private property and forced the property owner to defend himself. Tragedy that the drug war pigs won't change their violent behavior in response to this predictable outcome. Tragedy that they'll self-righteously support even more violence for the purpose of interfering with free commerce.
Tragedy that they'll use this to justify their Bearcat armored murder vehicle.
I'm with WTFK here.
The tragedy is that people died here. Not that cops, died.
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Manchester is run down and generally shitty. I've seen it. I've lived most of my life within 40 minutes of Detroit and I can objectively say that Manchester is kinda dumpy.
It's not Detroit bad. It's not Flint bad. But it's definitely nearing Pontiac/Bay City/Lansing bad.
I'd say it's a reasonably decent place to live in the suburbs of.
Manchester looks run down because it is old and people don't like to pay high property taxes. It isn't run down, though. Lowell, MA is of similar size and is run down. Lots of Manchester looks OK or pretty nice including much of downtown, south Manchester, north Manchester and parts of west Manchester. Especially the forests and mountains in west Manchester :)
I feel very safe in Manchester. Than again, I'm used to living in or near some of the most dangerous cities in the US. If a person was used to living in the country, where he didn't even lock his doors at night, Manchester could be a nightmare.
If Manchester is pretty much the only real city in NH, wouldnt that help concentrate the "city types" into one spot?
If Manchester is a real city, so is Nashua. The people in Nashua have more money so it looks nicer and rent is higher. It may have even more jobs (even though it is smaller) and has much better shopping opportunities. It also has noticeably worse traffic!
For one reason or another, lots of free staters and other liberty (4 non-FSP, pro-liberty state reps live in Manchester) and conservative activists (the 3 men mostly likely to win the GOP nomination for governor either live in Manchester or within a couple miles of Manchester) are concentrated in Manchester. Perhaps it is the lower taxes/cost of living compared to Concord/Nashua/Keene/Portsmouth/Dover/Derry/Salem. Perhaps it is that I-293, I-93, 101, 3 and 3A go through Manchester.
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http://www.967thewave.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=444246&article=10085975 (http://www.967thewave.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=444246&article=10085975)
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http://www.967thewave.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=444246&article=10085975 (http://www.967thewave.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=444246&article=10085975)
WTF's the guy complaining about?
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I just came here to say why the fuck is BJ doing p-fest ads :shock:
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I don't care for BJ all that much either. But I like the commercial, and I think he and Mandrick did a good job.
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I was actually joking but no one has a sense of humor around here. :?
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No we don't. :shock: This is a serious place where we discuss serious things. And I actually DID puke when I heard BJ ruining Mandricks awesomeness on the Porcfest clips so I didn't find your unsympathetic pitcher amusing at all!
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Obviously, this place isn't what it used to be. Not complainin, just sayin.
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I just came here to say why the fuck is BJ doing p-fest ads :shock:
(http://i45.tinypic.com/xnt17l.jpg)
Do you have a file or do I have to listen to FTL (not gonna happen) to hear the ad?
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So if Mackler sold the property doesn't that confirm that he was able to to rent it out and thus Robin and Curtis are the Free State Project's biggest freeloaders?
http://forum.shiresociety.com/the-shire-society/mackler-vs-curtis-and-robin/180/ (http://forum.shiresociety.com/the-shire-society/mackler-vs-curtis-and-robin/180/)
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Not to mention that Robin and Curtis had a contract with Mackler and they have been staying in the place...
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Not to mention that Robin and Curtis had a contract with Mackler and they have been staying in the place...
Do you also wipe Macklers ass for him?
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So if Mackler sold the property doesn't that confirm that he was able to to rent it out and thus Robin and Curtis are the Free State Project's biggest freeloaders?
http://forum.shiresociety.com/the-shire-society/mackler-vs-curtis-and-robin/180/ (http://forum.shiresociety.com/the-shire-society/mackler-vs-curtis-and-robin/180/)
Mackler leased the property from Jacob, how can a person who holds a lease to a property sell it?? Mackler never purchased the property from Jake. The lease said Mackler was renting it for 99 years, Mackler is really good at leaving out bits of the truth that paint him in a negative light.
If the bank did not own the property, it seems to me that Jacob would still have been the owner. The bank was listed as the owner of this property when I looked it up during mediation with Mackler - the bank was responsible for the property taxes and all that shit according to "the state".
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If anyone is interested you may wanna call the Register Of Deeds... I just spoke with a woman who looked up deed transfers for me, and the only thing she found was information regarding a lease linked to Mackler. There was no record of a deed being signed over to the bank.
(603) 882-6933 ext. 6766
it took me less than 5 minutes
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You know, I find it very odd that some people persist in believing anything Mackler says, so long as its critical of myself and Robin.
Here is a run-down of just three of the Mackler lies that have been exposed:
1. Lie: Adam Mackler was not responsible for the eviction of Jacob Trombley & co.
Truth: He evicted Jacob Trombley. Despite the elaborate story he weaves on the "Robin Lies" webpage on his personal website, I possess, and have posted online, the Writs of Possession which prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Adam Mackler was in fact the person SOLELY responsible for the eviction of the 1st floor. In his account of what 'really' happened, he swears he is only telling the truth. This is a complete lie.
2. Lie: He was unsure on 11/1/11 if the property had been sold.
Truth: He was completely aware that the property had been sold at an eviction sale. If you listen to the first audio I post from the Nov 1st eviction hearing vs Jacob Trombley, you'll hear Adam Mackler (an NH accredited attorney) lie to the judge and tell him that he has only heard RUMORS of an eviction sale. Fast forward to Mackler's eviction hearing vs Me n Robin and he admits to the judge that he was not only aware of the eviction sale, HE ATTENDED IT.
3. Lie: He claims to have "sold" the property to the bank.
Truth: Adam Mackler NEVER owned this property. If you check with the Registrar of Deeds you'll find out that Adam Mackler's name has NEVER been on the deed to this property. He only had his name on a lease that was severely lacking in consideration ($100/YEAR for a ~$2.5k/month property), a lease meant to DELAY the bank from taking possession of its property (an intentional violation of RSA 545a http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LV/545-A/545-A-mrg.htm (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LV/545-A/545-A-mrg.htm)
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I just came here to say why the fuck is BJ doing p-fest ads :shock:
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Do you have a file or do I have to listen to FTL (not gonna happen) to hear the ad?
What's your deal, did you go cobra on FTL like D-money did?
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Follow up on the whole deed thing...
June 17 2011 - Foreclosure Deed, located in Book 8326 on Page 0632 if anyone wants to check it out on their own...
This is the last deed transfer I can find on the property Mackler claims to have sold. No further deed transfers have been recorded on this property.
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Mackler is a attorney? Explains why his posts from la-la land make little sense to me.
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Mackler is a attorney? Explains why his posts from la-la land make little sense to me.
Yes, Mackler is an NH accredited lawyer.
Btw, I'm not the only one who figured out #3. The bank's lawyers, who are very experienced, figured that out, as well. Had that case gone to trial they wouldn't have pulled any punches, and it would have come out that an NH lawyer had used the NH justice system to deprive a corporation of it's property, in felony violation of RSA 545a. Furthermore, the mountain of evidence I have is also damning on another level: his ability to practice law in NH. Just his smear website alone is enough for a complaint to the BAR association (something a lawyer who is unaffiliated with this case tells me I MUST do, to protect the profession. He is/was aghast that another lawyer would act so unprofessionally).
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Mackler is a attorney? Explains why his posts from la-la land make little sense to me.
Yes, Mackler is an NH accredited lawyer.
Btw, I'm not the only one who figured out #3. The bank's lawyers, who are very experienced, figured that out, as well. Had that case gone to trial they wouldn't have pulled any punches, and it would have come out that an NH lawyer had used the NH justice system to deprive a corporation of it's property, in felony violation of RSA 545a. Furthermore, the mountain of evidence I have is also damning on another level: his ability to practice law in NH. Just his smear website alone is enough for a complaint to the BAR association (something a lawyer who is unaffiliated with this case tells me I MUST do, to protect the profession. He is/was aghast that another lawyer would act so unprofessionally).
From the sound of it, he should be disbarred.
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Never understood why anyone would bother. A lawyer is scum. I like having them clearly marked. Are there any other jobs where one can be fired because one was too principled?
As a aside a good general rule of thumb is deal with a lawyer like one deals with a cop. Only do so if one absolutely has no choice. They don't live in your world, they don't have the same rules and they have less accountability. They are dangerous.
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Never understood why anyone would bother. A lawyer is scum. I like having them clearly marked. Are there any other jobs where one can be fired because one was too principled?
The Military?
The Police?
Teaching?
...apparently, most government jobs? In many, it seems to be the only thing, except maybe pedophilia, that'll do the trick.
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Never understood why anyone would bother. A lawyer is scum. I like having them clearly marked. Are there any other jobs where one can be fired because one was too principled?
As a aside a good general rule of thumb is deal with a lawyer like one deals with a cop. Only do so if one absolutely has no choice. They don't live in your world, they don't have the same rules and they have less accountability. They are dangerous.
I'm going to have to disagree. There are a lot of lawyers who are fine people (and professionals). That's why it's important to weed out the bad ones...just like in any industry. Look at places like IJ if you want an example of lawyers who are extremely principled and are not "fired".
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You can be a cop or a soldier and not be fired for being principled. There are no actual rules preventing one from doing the right thing. Like a defense lawyer not letting his guilty client off the hook and what not.
I like to think I stuck to my principles when I was a soldier.
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You can be a cop or a soldier and not be fired for being principled. There are no actual rules preventing one from doing the right thing. Like a defense lawyer not letting his guilty client off the hook and what not.
I like to think I stuck to my principles when I was a soldier.
It depends on your principles. If your principles include, at a minimum, the constitution, you can't have principles. If you're a soldier, you're going to not fight in an unconstitutional war--see how that works for you. If you're a cop, you're not going to enforce drug laws. See how that works for you. Ask Brad the cohost what happens to you if you even ADVOCATE against the drug war.
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It can be done. It just isn't easy.
As a lawyer though, you literally have to try and win for your client even if he confessed to you and came in his pants while he described the crime.
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As a lawyer though, you literally have to try and win for your client even if he confessed to you and came in his pants while he described the crime.
Same goes for a prosecutor, but in reverse. The whole process is disgusting. They might know full well you are innocent of a crime, but getting that win under their belt is more important than facts in many cases.
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Can't argue with that. Although I don't think a prosecuter would be disbarred for doing the right thing, they just generally blaze ahead with ruining lives either because they think it would be good for their career or just for kicks. Hence my general belief that the lawyers at the bottom of the sea idea is a pretty good one
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+1
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Same goes for a prosecutor, but in reverse.
Wait, are we talking about the ideal behavior for a prosecutor, like in the theoretical case in which they have principles? Because they are supposed to only pick the cases in which they believe the defendant is guilty. If the evidence is sketchy, they should drop the case, and for sure if they actually think the defendant is not guilty. They totally have discretion and part of their job is supposed to be picking the cases well.
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But they don't. Don't you have to be a defense scumbag for years before you can be a prosecuting scumbag with "discretion"?
They couldn't just admit to the unwashed masses that a prosecuter has to be a throat cutting peace of shit, so they just make sure he or she has to work for years being able to be a scumbag because they have to be before they get any discretion or chance to be human.
How heavy a cement block does one need to sink a lawyer? It surely has to be heavier then one for a person because of all the hot air.
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But they don't. Don't you have to be a defense scumbag for years before you can be a prosecuting scumbag with "discretion"?
They couldn't just admit to the unwashed masses that a prosecuter has to be a throat cutting peace of shit, so they just make sure he or she has to work for years being able to be a scumbag because they have to be before they get any discretion or chance to be human.
How heavy a cement block does one need to sink a lawyer? It surely has to be heavier then one for a person because of all the hot air.
Your ignorance is showing. Plus, "defense scumbag"? Right. Until the day that you get wrongfully accused.
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If the cops ever get the drop on me again I will be quite guilty. I don't make the same mistake twice.
However please inform me why a world with lawyers is better then one without.
I don't want to hate lawyers, experience with them made me do so.
Please tell me a story where a lawyer helped someone against anything but other lawyers.
Thank you in advance.
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If the cops ever get the drop on me again I will be quite guilty. I don't make the same mistake twice.
Yes, the wrongfully accused and the wrongfully convicted are always the ones at fault. :roll: :roll:
However please inform me why a world with lawyers is better then one without.
This query is inane. I think it is the monopoly system to which you object, not to the members themselves.
I don't want to hate lawyers, experience with them made me do so.
You have experience with every lawyer on earth?
Please tell me a story where a lawyer helped someone against anything but other lawyers.
Thank you in advance.
Not sure if you want an example of something nice that I did for someone in my family just today, or maybe this recent case (http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/05/31/46976.htm) where we opened up a jail's mail policy a little bit for all prisoners and their correspondents, or maybe you're looking for an example like this trial lawyers charitable foundation that he runs on the side: http://www.keenanskidsfoundation.com/ (http://www.keenanskidsfoundation.com/)
There are countless examples of lawyers doing good deeds for others.
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Yes it is the monopoly I dislike. I know there are plenty of good lawyers. There are also nice cops and soldiers. I just want to put most of them out of work, that is all. I don't really want to drown them all geeze. I am not even for the death penalty for murderers for gods sake.
By the way do you know you can use "red herring" techniques to derail thread directions you don't like?
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It depends on your principles. If your principles include, at a minimum, the constitution, you can't have principles. If you're a soldier, you're going to not fight in an unconstitutional war--see how that works for you. If you're a cop, you're not going to enforce drug laws. See how that works for you. Ask Brad the cohost what happens to you if you even ADVOCATE against the drug war.
Most soldiers don't fight in wars. I knew people sent to Iraq in the medical field. I know a guy sent there to be a mail clerk.
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I was on the attack force in Desert Storm for what it was worth. I was known as a bad choice to give illegal orders to, but I hadn't heard of the NAP at that point. I will concede that being in war with my currant principles would be much more difficult. I don't think having a REMF job in wartime gives one a excuse to be a "principled" person in a illegal war.
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It depends on your principles. If your principles include, at a minimum, the constitution, you can't have principles. If you're a soldier, you're going to not fight in an unconstitutional war--see how that works for you. If you're a cop, you're not going to enforce drug laws. See how that works for you. Ask Brad the cohost what happens to you if you even ADVOCATE against the drug war.
Most soldiers don't fight in wars. I knew people sent to Iraq in the medical field. I know a guy sent there to be a mail clerk.
Supporting unconstitutional wars. Same thing.
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Who?
Jack Burton, Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n0HkwWpjR8#)
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http://www.kittyfeet.com/emberlea-mcculligh-talks-about-sex-cats-and-rock-n-roll/ (http://www.kittyfeet.com/emberlea-mcculligh-talks-about-sex-cats-and-rock-n-roll/)
Kind of a neat lady from NH being interviewed that I have never heard of.
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Apparently Curtis thinks he owns all the rights to record, market, and profit from the liberty roast at PorcFest this year, lol.
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Ah! The old "nobody owns photons" argument.
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animal house legs broken (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBMARJiSJjo#noexternalembed)
I think this clip explains how things cost money quite well. Also it's funny.
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So, there is some dude banned from PorcFest this year I see. Discuss.
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From what I can gather, SC stood firm on a minor IP issue (where he went against the status quo) and finally got banned by Queen Quill Carla, who has been a strong supporter of SC up to this point. SC has just ruffled too many feathers, because of his sense of entitlement and, I would argue, his talent with getting women. He seems sorry, not for what he done, but for not going. He has indicated he will respect the Porcfest committee's decision. I hope he does and that this stuff blows over and we all learn from it.
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Not what I was referring to. Guess again. The one I am thinking of is supposedly a womanizer though.
By the time I am able to afford the time and money for Porcfest, people like SC sure as hell better be there. I fully expect to meet him (and some other liberty lovers) someday rather than just listening about them or chatting on facebook.
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Not what I was referring to. Guess again. The one I am thinking of is supposedly a womanizer though.
By the time I am able to afford the time and money for Porcfest, people like SC sure as hell better be there. I fully expect to meet him (and some other liberty lovers) someday rather than just listening about them or chatting on facebook.
I will address your post point by point.
Well shit. :(
No.
OK.
Wish you luck.
He might be.
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Yeah the rapist guy was the first person banned. Mikkelson, what a creep. He got knocked the fuck out last year for being a douche.
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Rape is bad.
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Rape is bad.
I couldn't help but hear Mr. Mackey say that.
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Rape is bad.
I couldn't help but hear Mr. Mackey say that.
Which made me think of Mr Garrison saying "Well, I guess that all depends who yer talkin' to now, doesn't it?"
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Life can be bad - if you make it that way, or life can suck, or life can be famously great, and then you die. Make the most of it bitches!
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YOU PLANT ICE, YOU GOTTA HARVEST WIND. MOTHAFUCKA.
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some ass deletes my post? Fuck off!
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some ass deletes my post? Fuck off!
It wasn't me, Fred, but I can understand why it was done.
Sometimes, you manage to post the perfect musical accompaniment for the discussion.
Sometimes.
Unless your video posts directly relate to the topic, they tend to be more annoying than amusing.
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Like 99.99% of the fucking time.
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Relevancy, my good man! The key to being healthy, wealthy and wise.
Or some shit like that.
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Fred, this isn't 4chan. We talk here.
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Why isn't BonerJoe trumpeting the horns about Rich Paul having a 'survival' chip-in?
Also: ONH GA 7/15/12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8oWu7awMc#ws)
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Why isn't BonerJoe trumpeting the horns about Rich Paul having a 'survival' chip-in?
No one cares.
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Why isn't BonerJoe trumpeting the horns about Rich Paul having a 'survival' chip-in?
No one cares.
Were it Robin and I asking people to pay for our basic necessities, you can damn sure bet Boner Joe would care.
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BJ hasn't been here for months.
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Lol: I totally misunderstood Sovereign Curtis. I thought he was trying to spread the word that Rich needed cash. I heard about some sort of duel between them, so it did strike me as a little odd.
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Please everyone, please donate at least $500 to Rich Paul! Thank you!
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Please everyone, please donate at least $500 to Rich Paul! Thank you!
bahahaha, no. I can't believe anyone would donate to Rich Paul, after he pocketed the last funds meant for his "legal defense". That's called embezzlement, folks, and its why this new chip-in basically states you will be funding his food, gas, and party supplies, with maybe a little going towards his legal defense.
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You sound like this character! Sir, where is your heart?
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Rich has a IQ of 146. I am sure he can get himself out of this mess.
I never heard The Tin Man laugh evilly.
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Ok, let's get this train back on the track and it doesn't have to be as crude as it was in the past but still fun at least. So,
Antigone Darling posted
So. I am not in New Hampshire, will not be returning to New Hampshire, will not be visiting New Hampshire and I will be leaving this here FB group. I would like to sell my lifetime membership. Please PM me if interested.
This is just asking to be a topic for selection to reboot this thread. Anyone got any insight or speculation? Fire away. We might even get this BBS fired up again. It sure was the main attraction back in the day and a great recruiting mechanism for the FSP whether people wanted to admit it or not. :lol: If not, I tried.
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http://jesusisthewaythetruththelife.com/node/2
Kat Kanning was born again.
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My Testimony - Coming out of the Darkness
Seems that mostly my whole life has been darkness. I was a happy enough kid, but then I started having sex and things just got all messed up. There were all the tragic breakups, ripping my heart apart from loving someone then being separated from him. Then at 17, I got pregnant. I didn’t want to mess up my college plans, so I had an abortion. Boy, I wish I’d known then what I know now. I wish I’d known how messed up my life would be over killing my baby.
The depression and desperation started sometime soon after that. I basically slept with most anyone who’d have me. I’d be in a relationship with someone and then be wondering why it wasn’t making me happy. So then I’d go on to the next relationship in hopes that person would love me enough to make me happy. Somehow, I never found a man who could do that for me.
I married. That still wasn’t enough. So I talked my husband into an open marriage, and I continued my search. Looking back on this time is so horrible. I broke up at least one marriage with my sleeping around, and didn’t even care at the time. I kept on until one of the men I was sleeping with molested my daughter. It took that to wake me up.
After a long hideous trial, the guy was sent to jail, and I left my husband and moved to Texas. I stayed away from men for a long time (or a long time for me). After we moved to New Hampshire, I started dating a little, but then something good happened to me.
My mother had been praying for a husband for me, and I think her prayers were answered. I was drawn to Russell online, so we started talking and decided to marry. He flew to NH and we married that day. Russell is a Christian, and I was an atheist, so it was a strange match at first. Maybe it’s not so strange now.
Every once in a while Russell would mention abortion and I would cringe inside. He didn’t know that I’d aborted a child. I didn’t tell him. Gradually, I came to see that I was wrong about that ‘blob of tissue’ I’d rid myself of, that it had been a child I’d murdered. Even an atheist can see that murder is wrong. I didn’t have any way out of the guilt, though, there was no way to undo the wrong I’d done.
Russell explained to me something I’d not known before. Sex bonds a man and woman together for life. There’s even a chemical basis for this, I’ve recently found out. I was really messing with things by sleeping around so much.
Things were much better with Russell. I wasn’t desperate to sleep around, but was still tempted occasionally. He couldn’t have been more loving, but I still wasn’t exactly happy.
Then one time Russell was hauled away to jail, taken right out of his work. I was so sad over that - there didn’t seem to be any hope that he’d ever really be able to work. I missed him terribly. I was listening to a lot of Alex Jones at the time, and the state of the world seemed also so hopeless. It seemed like all the bad people in the world were taking control and wanting to enslave or kill all the rest of us. I came to a point where I said our only hope was for God to save us. I asked Him for forgiveness for all the terrible things I’d done in my life.
I didn’t see much change at the time, but not long after that our roommate asked me what had change, since I seemed happier.
Time went on, and I started trying to learn about God and the Bible. It took a long time before I admitted to anyone, even Russell, what had happened -- maybe 6 months later. After I told Russell, things began to really change with me. I started reading the Bible like a madwoman. Things that once seemed OK to me before were now uncomfortable. I learned that God gave us laws for how we should live in order to keep us safe, like a good parent sets down rules for their child. When we break those rules, that is sin. God can’t be in the presence of sin, so the penalty for sin is death and we’re sent to hell to be kept separate from God. But God loves his creation and wants us with him, so he gives us lots of chances to repent and be with Him. Blood sacrifice can cover sin, but only a perfect sacrifice can remove it. So God sent his son to earth to be that perfect sacrifice and let him die in pain and shame on the cross to pay the price for our sins - for my sin, so that we wouldn’t have to pay the price of eternal damnation. I learned that any of my sins, even telling a lie, would have been enough to damn me. Lucky for me God woke me up and let me see the truth. The Bible says that to unbelievers, this whole story seems to be just foolishness. I certainly saw it that way before. God has to reach out to unbelievers for them to understand. I’m very thankful he did in my case.
So a while back, soon after I told Russell I’d become a Christian, I prayed and asked God what I should do in his service. The next night I had a dream. I was like that gal, Casey Anthony on trial for killing her little girl. I was on the witness stand saying that I wasn’t guilty of killing my little girl, but I was guilty of killing my unborn child. And I knew in the dream I was supposed to use this huge public platform, being on TV, to suggest to women that it’s not good to kill our children, unborn or otherwise.
When I woke I was in quite a tizzy over it. Telling people what I’d done was the last thing in the world I wanted to do. I fasted for several days and finally got up the nerve to tell Russell what I’d done. I was so afraid he’d leave me. I need not have been afraid. He just held me as I cried and told him.
I’ve since started working at a crisis pregnancy center. Ladies come in for free pregnancy tests, and I try and give then a little information about abortion, sex, marriage, God. I’ve learned that most women who have abortions experience depression and many have self-destructive behaviors they engage in over it. It certainly was so in my case.
(Also from Alex Jones I’ve learned that the world system being set up loves abortion, genocide, eugenics. Obama’s Science Czar Eric Holdren wrote a book promoting eugenics - forced sterilization, forced abortions. http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-science-advisor-called-for-planetary-r...)
The other day I was searching for something on the forum, and came across one of my old posts. I was shocked. I don’t talk that way any more. I don’t think that way any more.
I have a peace now that I haven’t had since childhood, or maybe never before. I was so driven and unhappy before. I was a slave to sin. All the sex was an obsession I couldn’t let go of. Once I got it in my head I wanted to sleep with someone, well, I kept at it until I succeeded. It was miserable being so desperate for love. I guess the peace I have now is from the love of God and the forgiveness of my past evil. My whole world has turned around so much, it’s hard to even explain. It’s easier to forgive what others do to me, since I’ve been forgiven of so much. It’s easier to be compassionate when such compassion has been shown to me. I’ve been freed from the domination of sin. I’ve truly come out of the darkness and into the light.
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Welcome back blackie
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Jesus fuck.