At least we agree that a gay person isn't nessesarily a libertine right?
I don't think they are but you just implied that everyone at a gay pride event is not just a libertine--they're all the specific kind who want to exhibit dom/sub behavior in public.
Michael W Dean yelled at his wife to prove himself the badass when I called in to the Freedom Feens, remember?
I don't remember that. Was I there? I don't listen to many podcasts. I don't reall know the details of Michael's situation beyond what he and I have specifically discussed either here or on podcasts that we were both on (either his or mine).
Why do you not see the similarity between people who have a dom/sub voluntarily relationship for religious reasons and every other relationship with the same dynamic?
I've explained these things before at length but, like a typical troll, your memory seems to span minutes before you're on a rampage and asking the same questions again. THAT is what pisses me off so much. You know what I think your problem is? You're projecting. Sexuality is not black and white. It might be that for you. Maybe you are succumbing to societal pressures to see anything but the missionary position as taboo, and of course the only alternatives to that you're noticing are people who are way over on the opposite side of the spectrum and completely out-of-the-closet about it (like adult-oriented podcast hosts). So you project Michael Deen and his wife (I guess? I don't know much about his lifestyle.) onto anyone who's sex life is not as boring as yours. I don't think libertine is defined by sex but that seems to be the part you obsess over.
I feel I'll regret this but I'll attempt to RE-answer you. They don't even seem similar to me. For one, in the huge, vast majority of BDSM relationships, the context is rather limited and just looked at as role-playing; a game. It's often just in the bedroom. If it goes outside the bedroom, it's still role-playing. I think the most important part is that one is done out of a sense of duty to tradition and pressure from a judgmental society (conservatives) vs. one that often requires people to act on their desires DESPITE pressure from society (judgmental folks like you) because it's taboo and non-traditional.
A lot of people, mostly conservatives but libertarians included, try to draw a clear line between us and other animals, but we are animals. Dominance and submission are behaviors that are influenced by our biology. Men do tend to be more sexually dominant and are more likely to attempt to initiate sex, in a relationship or out. I believe that a man sometimes feels sexy when he's exhibiting "manly" traits like being more physically powerful. I beleive that a women sometimes feels sexy exhibiting more "feminine" traits like being more desirable and actively pursued by a man. That's IN GENERAL.
Conservatives try to make sense of everything through the context of tradition and religion. They assume everyone's the same and try to make it so--whatever it takes to shore up a shaky faith-based belief. Libertines try to find a healthy balance of satisfying our animalistic desires in a civilized society by recognizing that everyone is different and incorporating open communication and consent. It's the libertarian path to a more civilized society.
I would like to have a sexual partner who is completely equal in responsabily and accountability to me and I am not exactly beating women off with a stick, where men who use women like kleanex often are.
Shocker. Sounds like you're buying into feminist bullshit. I don't see the big deal though. Aren't you in a happy marriage? By the way, yet another false dichotomy alert--you can have equal responsibility and accountability in a libertine relationship. You get EXACTLY what both partners want in exactly the context they want it.